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Rothrock Lobster - Ep. 54
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We are back on track with a Dub Pod as the Seattle Sounders opened their Leagues Cup 2024 campaign with a 2-0 victory over Minnesota United at Lumen Field on Friday night. It wasn’t the best game we’ve ever seen, but Paul Rothrock has done it once again, giving us more than enough content to fuel our agendas.
Later on in the show we discuss US Soccer playing hardball regarding Jordan Morris’s potential call-up to the US Olympic team, a heroic PK save from former Sounder Stefan Cleveland and one of the best MLS coach quotes of the season from Charlotte FC’s Dean Smith.
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Seattle Sounders' League Cup Performance
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going on everybody? Welcome to episode 54 of Lobbing Scorchers. This is Ari Lillianwall. I'm joined virtually here by producer Noah and Noah. We're back on track with another dub pod today. How are you feeling?
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Ari, we love a cup. We love a cup. Quote Paul Rothrock. We do love a cup. It's a league's cup dub pod to be specific as the Seattle Sounders took what ended up being a relatively comfortable, if unspectacular, 2-0 victory over Minnesota United at Loom & Field.
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on Friday night to open up group stage play, putting them in pretty assured position to advance out of the group stage. I don't think it's guaranteed as of yet, but I think with that victory, Minnesota United would have to beat club Nacaxa of Liga and Max by multiple goals, which may or may not happen. But it's looking like Seattle is going to get out of the group. Paul Rothrock did it again. This is going to come as a shock, but we're going to be talking about Paul Rothrock on the show. Jordan Morris did it.
00:01:37
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The Paul Rothrock to Jordan Morris connection and the Jordan Morris to Paul Rothrock connection. It really it electrified Loom & Field late after a pretty sluggish opening 80 plus minutes to the game. We're going to hit a league's cup agenda check later in the show after our game review. We'll take your questions. Appreciate everyone who submitted
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those.
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Even for a kind of lackluster leagues cup game We're gonna talk about some of the other leagues cup results that have taken place around MLS the past two nights So it's gonna be a good jam-packed show might be a little bit of a shorter one But um, you know, we've been cooking like hour and a half ones the last couple So if we go a little shorter this time, that's just fine But before we do that, I wanted to let you all know
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Player Highlights: Pedro De La Vega & Paul Rothrock
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all support that we can get as we try and grow on that platform is much appreciated. All right, let's get into this game review, Noah. Does that sound good? Let's do it. So yeah, the Seattle Sounders started League's Cup play at Loom & Field hosting Minnesota United. Let's do our lineup reaction first, as we always do at the top of these game reviews. I think the biggest thing with this lineup was that Pedro de la Vega got the start. You had Christian rolled on back at right mid, and you had a John Bell sighting.
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Uh, but I think my biggest takeaway is that I think this tournament is kind of, it's going to be a good showcase for De La Vega as he gets back to fitness. We're going to see what he looks like with a larger compliment of minutes. And just as he kind of gets his feet under him more and uh, you know, feels healthier, gets more confidence in that hamstring. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do. We're going to talk, we're going to do some De La Vega takes on how he looked.
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in this game I thought there was some good I thought there was some not so good but mainly I'm just hoping he stays healthy and that we really get some consistent run to see what he can bring to the table and really I think that's for me that's the biggest thing I'm watching in this tournament more than if they actually make a run at winning it or anything like that you know if they make it further down the road I'll start thinking about stuff like that but right now I just want to see De La Vega stay healthy
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get some run, get some minutes,
Game Analysis and Intensity
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and hopefully get more acclimated to his teammates, gel with the team, and contribute in the way that we all hoped and thought he would when he was brought in here. As for the game itself, I'll do the little recap. This whole game
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felt a little just kind of like half hearted to me. It was a light crowd. Schmetz wasn't wearing a suit. He had his sweater on. The just the energy was not really there as much as you would find in like a regular MLS game. You know, I do I do think that's the type of thing that will
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get better as the tournament goes on. But I was covering a lot of the games last night, and I was watching a little bit of them tonight as well. And it seemed like a recurring theme. Charlotte FC coach Dean Smith had a take similar to that that we're going to talk about later in the show. But yeah, I don't know. It just felt lethargic. It felt disconnected. It felt like the execution. It kind of felt like a preseason scrimmage. You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree.
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It was 0-0 and the first big play of the game, really, in the second half happened when Hasani Dotson of Federal Way, I believe, got a red card for cleaning out Rui Diaz who had came on as a second half substitute. Up until then, I felt like Seattle actually looked okay on offense at points. They had some really good chances in the first half.
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Dane St. Clair, Minnesota United goalkeeper, was playing out of his mind. Dane St. Clair had one of the better goalkeeping performances that Seattle has come up against this season, which he's kind of a random guy to do that. He's pretty good. He's good for one of those every year. I guess so, yeah. He looked like Hugo Laureus out there or something. Seattle could have won this game a lot more comfortably, if not.
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for the heroics of Dane St. Clair. But the Loons really put themselves behind the eight ball when Hasani Dotson got that red card. I mean, that was a bad tackle. I thought it was a fair red. And kind of to my earlier point, didn't it look like when he got that red card? Usually they argue and protest and they're like, that's not a red card. I didn't even do it. What are you talking about? Hasani Dotson was like, okay, I'm out of here. I didn't want to be here anyway. So in shout, see ya.
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It really felt like that the whole game the energy level everything even the players there was just something off the vibes Yeah vibes were off and like I think that his sonny dawson's reaction to the red card kind of encapsulated that like I was watching that I was like, dude, aren't you going to
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Protest like even even the whole team like you know, they usually surround the rep. They didn't care They're like, yeah, we didn't really want to be here Anyway, we're just trying to play this last half hour and fly back to Minnesota But to be fair like I pretty much got the same vibe from the Seattle side for most of the game too until the very end and
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And to that point, it honestly looked like Seattle was going to let the loons troll out 0-0, which I believe it would have gone straight to penalties at 0-0. At that point, you have a situation where you've gone up a man with a lot of time left, and you can't score, and you could lose that game in penalties.
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That would have been bad. We would be having a pretty scathing conversation right now if they had not been able to score late and pull this win out. But fortunately, that was not the case. Because what happened was Paul Rothrock,
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Okay now I realize we do the Paul Rothrock deep dive on every show but you know he continues to deliver the content and this game was not only was it no exception but this was one of the better Paul Rothrock games yet honestly to date I think at least or maybe not games overall but individual just sequences that last kind of five minutes plus stoppage of Paul Rothrock content was incredible. I mean first of all you had the nutmeg you
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That was so good. Oh my god. That was so good. I'm dead serious. That was one of the best megs I've ever seen.
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Oh, just incredible. And, you know, we've we've been guilty on this show of kind of playing into the Paul Rothrock is more heart and grit than technical skill and athleticism, or at least I've been guilty of that. I think I espoused to take something to that effect a couple of shows ago. And I do think there's some truth to the fact that he's not Haney Mooktart out there, you know, like he's not messy. But there is there is more substance to his game, I think, than I probably was given him credit for and more than probably like the Paul Rothrock thing has been
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still even with how well he's played and how much substance there actually has been to it it's still been more of like kind of like a meme and a bit than anything but like i mean it's just gotten to the point where i mean you see things like this meg and then just also the consistent energy he's bringing and the stat sheet production and
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Um,
League Cup Agenda and MLS Results
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again, it becomes less and less of a bit with each passing week that that Meg, I mean, as John Bell tweeted after the game, P rock has been in his bag. He was in his bag on that one. Um,
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The Sounders got their goal. It was like the 85th minute or something. Paul Rothrock got the assist. It was a nice secondary assist from Vanny Leyva. He was the one who slid Paul Rothrock through. Paul Rothrock has taken his guy on, sends in a perfect cross. It slides all the way through to Jordan. Easy finish for Jordan right in front of goal with the form that he's been in lately. That's about as easy as it gets. And it was pretty dusted at that point. The Lunes, the Lunes did have that one breakaway kind of,
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towards the end when they were down a man where Andy T, it was an Andy T start, I forgot to mention that in the live reaction. Andy T made a good save on that. And really, Andy T, I think you have to credit for how comfortable this result ended up being in the end because he did, he made a couple of nice saves, including that one on the breakaway when Seattle was up a man and almost got bammed on.
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But again, Paul Rothrock assists. He gets on the stat sheet again. Jordan with another goal. Great to see. And that gave Seattle a lead that they would not give up. They almost had a second right after that opener when Christian Roldon won a penalty.
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But Dane St. Clair, again, he stuffed Albert Rusnak's penalty kick. I thought that was more a great save than a bad shot. It was great. It was obviously not a great taking penalty because it got saved, but he made it. It was placed well though.
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I thought that's that's what I thought too someone was like chirping me because you know we've been praising Rusnak a lot on this show rightfully I mean yeah like if you think that's just us blowing smoke I mean go look at the game logs and look at one of the stats he's been putting up the last few weeks but uh like I don't really think that that was an egregiously bad like penalties are
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Randomized like whether they go in or gets a shooter has the advantage for sure but like sometimes you're gonna get him saved and I think I personally I think you have to credit dane st. Clair there more than knock Russ neck for anything that he could have done differently But then Seattle they did end up getting their second goal ball Rothrock
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He did it again. So the first time it was the Paul Rothrock to Jordan Morris connection. This time it was the Jordan Morris to Paul Rothrock connection. Absolutely electric. It was a giveaway from Minnesota United right above their own penalty box. Good job by Jordan to win the ball. He's making a run in on goal. He sees Paul Rothrock wide ass open. Great decision. Unselfish decision to lay it off to Paul Rothrock.
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Paul Rothrock did what Leo Chu couldn't do in this game, which was shot on target and he scored it. And I mean, honestly, I say that like as somewhat a compliment to Leo Chu because I thought that he actually had he had a couple of really good looks in this game and a couple of really nice sequences, but he had like two or three clean looks that Dane St. Clair saved. You're not going to save that on Paul Rothrock, though.
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no no I thought you know what was cool too after the match Jordan in the locker room was talking about that goal and him picking his head up and looking for Rothrock because the other week when when he had blasted that one straight at the keeper instead of just
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You know tapping it off to Rothrock. He said that he didn't see him there and then after the game after the game they talked about it and Jordan was basically like I'm gonna keep my eye out for you. I'm gonna get you yours. You deserve that goal So it was kind of cool that like
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he was very cognizant that Paul was out there and I don't know just that like that knowledge and that trust in each other that's been building we'll get to we'll get to the connection more in the uh the agenda check section that's a great shout no I hadn't heard that
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That quote. Yeah, like, I mean, if you remember, we were we were kind of giving Jordan a little bit of shit for that play because we want, I mean, obviously for our agenda, we wanted the Rothrock goal. But also like that is a play where if you have an open net, if you lay it off, you should lay it off. But it's interesting to hear that he was like, I honestly didn't see him and we talked about it. And then the next time.
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They go out there and they connect on that and they get a goal out of that. That's good stuff.
Game Critique: Execution and Chemistry
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That's good stuff from the squad. I'm going to hit my rapid fire takeaways here. Yeah, I mean, first of all, like I said, just pretty just not that great a game. Weird vibes. Felt like it never really kicked into gear. The vibe salvaged at the end, at the very end, but just for most of the night, it just, yeah, it felt off.
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Let's do our De La Vega takes right now. Yeah, I feel like just still doesn't quite look fully acclimated and gelled with the rest of the team. There was some there was some moments in this game that were
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I thought good in a different way than the other good moments that we've seen so far. There was a couple of dangerous sequences. It was the most involved he's been. His influence was on the game way more in this game than any game he's played with this team to date.
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And I thought, you know, he took a couple shots from distance that he missed, but I don't mind him lining those up. And he got close enough where I think, um, if he, like, once he's, once he gets in rhythm, he might, he might, you might see him hit a couple of those at some point in his tenure with the team. And, uh, I don't know, just him being aggressive. I don't mind that even though he didn't quite make those. Um, but there's definitely just, there's still some rust and just lack of chemistry showing again.
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He had one cross that knew who could have hit it. Like if knew who hit that cross, we would have been like, that's a new who cross. 100%. There was that one. And then there was one where he made a run down. He was basically on a breakaway down the left side. And he had a great platform to put a low cross in. There was no one on him out wide, basically. And he tried to put the low cross in. And it was just not really too
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Anyone, you know it that could have been a whale to cross. Yeah I texted you in our one of our group chats Jokingly saying I de la Vega might have a worse cross than new who I literally like I have that in our notes here But it was
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On one hand, a rough showing. I don't think anyone wants their DP to be playing like that, but considering the circumstances, you're right. He was heating up. He was way more involved. He was way more confident. And actually, that one shot where he was out from distance, I don't know, it felt dangerous. It looked good. He almost hit that. He really did. He almost hit that. So that shows to me that he has that in his bag, which not everyone does.
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So when he can play a full 90, we can judge him fully. I think it's like we're both for sure. The last day La Vega thing I was going to bring up was just there was one play that I really liked where he was he was taking on a guy 1v1 and he just lost him, which we've seen him do a couple of times. And that's I love that.
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The fact that that's in his bag I think is very encouraging. I'd like to see more of it. But just the fact that we've now seen him do that a couple times. He did it again in this game. His dribbling is very good. So I'm still excited to watch him play more. I feel like we're still at a point where the sample size is small enough and we haven't seen enough of it.
00:18:05
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the hopes and dreams of his theoretical upside are still there you know once he gets to 500 plus towards a thousand minutes i'm gonna start formulating conclusions even if that's still probably still uh too small sample size but um you know i i'm still at the point right now where
00:18:25
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I'm excited about the, his future prospects and watching him play in this tournament. And that kind of brings me to my next takeaway, which is that this tournament's, it's all about like data points like that for me more than winning it. Uh, I want to see them get out of the group just because this is not, this is not that hard a group. It's really not easy. This is an easy group. The loons are down incredibly bad right now. Club Nicoxa is like 13th in league. They were playing a striker at like center back.
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Yesterday. Yeah, so it was they got to get out of this group and you know ideally make a run But I just want to see De La Vega get fit see if there's anything more we can learn about what could affect this team ceiling for this season and into the future And you know if they make a run they make a run like when they made the run a couple years ago I I had fun with that. I mean I got to go to Vegas. So that's probably why but uh, I
00:19:17
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You know like I I was I was actually really getting into the games later on in the tournament so I think that's kind of what I would say to if anyone was sort of feeling like I was like the game was kind of dragging and it just was not that good a game like the further that they get
00:19:33
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it will it will pick up when there's a trophy on the line and then the reality of the prize money and the Champions League spot like set in and like that's that's what you're playing for, you know, as well as the trophy and those things matter. And so the players know that they want the prize money. They want the Champions League spot. So I'm I'm I imagine the intensity and just the quality of the footy will
00:19:56
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increase accordingly as all these teams get later in the tournament. It was a rough start, though. It was like low attendance all across the league, although the Quakes broke the league's cup attendance record tonight. They were playing cheap. That's awesome. They put up 50K at the 49ers Stadium, whatever that place is called. That looks like a live atmosphere. And there was some good crowds, but I did think there was kind of a theme of lack of energy going on with these games.
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Um, you know one thing I did think was funny that it was a little bit of a conspiracy theory that was texting one of my Minnesota United friends and he was like I honestly think we're trying to bomb out of this because we're so injured like it's it doesn't matter like that they were just like whatever confirmation of what we were talking about with the Datsun red card like he really that was really one of the strangest
00:20:50
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reactions to a red guard i've ever seen like just how little you see like
00:20:56
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no fine for failure to leave the field in a timely manner. No mass confrontation. He was out there. He was out there. Yeah. No mass confrontation violation. No failure to leave the field in a time. If anything, he left the field in two timely manner. There was actually a point where, uh, it looked like the ref, like might be, like they might be going to his headset to tell him to review the tackle and like he was like, I'm already like, what are you talking about? Like I'm already, I'm ejected. I'm out of here.
00:21:24
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He was about to go sit in the stands, get a popcorn and a beer.
Club Nacaxa vs Seattle Sounders Preview
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Just like, yeah, I wouldn't have been surprised. Um, next up in league's cup, uh, Seattle has club Nicoxa of league. I'm at least at Lumen field on August 4th. And yet, like I said, not off to that good a start in their league season. So, um, out of all the league and Becky's teams that you could be playing, this isn't like that hard. You know, you, you've got juggernauts that are in this tournament that are in this league. Uh, like.
00:21:52
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you know, like the classic ones like Club America, like Chiva, Monterrey, that's the one I was looking for. Tigress is always a factor. Although, I mean, Austin versus Monterrey, Austin got it done versus Unam, so who knows? Maybe Austin could continuously be in the CONCACAP Champions League final.
US Olympic Team and Jordan Morris
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So we're going to get to that because for however much I talked about how these games weren't all that great last night,
00:22:20
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That game was awesome. And I'm actually excited to talk about that because Steph Cleveland, shout out Steph Cleveland. He was a big time character in that game. All right, we're going to hit our agenda check real quick. But before that, there was a sounders news item that I wanted to talk about real quick.
00:22:37
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related to Jordan Morris who he was talking about this after the game I guess and he was saying that he was given an invitation to go play with the US team at the Olympics as one of the they get three it's a u23 team essentially but they get three overage players so it's it's essentially just who they would call for the
00:22:57
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U23's but Walker Zimmerman is one of them and then there's two other guys on our team that are like older than 23 and Jordan Morris was invited to be one of those and basically the way he described it correct me if I'm wrong but basically what he was saying is that US soccer and the Sounders couldn't really come to an agreement on
00:23:16
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the timeline for releasing him. The Sounders wanted him there for a couple, for the open cup game at sack pub, right? And then like, and then the St. Louis game and then us soccer and at Austin and at Austin and us soccer was drawing like a hard line. Like we need him there the entire camp. Otherwise he can't, he can't roll. And Jordan was, you know, uh, outward about his disappointment with this. He was, uh, he really wanted to go. He said it was a once in a lifetime opportunity and that he was disappointed that they,
00:23:46
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Couldn't come to a middle ground. I got two things to say about this I mean number one like it's pretty feels pretty stupid to me that US soccer couldn't just let him come a little late Like first of all have you seen our Olympic roster?
00:24:01
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Yeah, terrible. Not good at all. Like, no offense to those guys. But like, it's just not like I looked at that roster and I was like, this is mid at absolute best. Yeah. So if you really think that Jordan Morris can improve it, which I think he absolutely when I looked at that roster,
00:24:20
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Thinking back on it like he absolutely would have added at least some juice to it. It's not a very good roster You should just you're not exactly swimming in an embarrassment of riches with that is my point So you should just let him pull up late. It's not that serious We're gonna I mean, did you see what happened in our first game against France? I did We won the next game, I don't know the New Zealand game. Yeah, but it's New Zealand No offense, New Zealand, but like yeah
00:24:48
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We went up against France and got boat raced. Yeah. So I mean, in that sense, you know, I don't know if Jordan would have made all that much of a difference with that fate because the French were just, yeah, you know, running kind of wild on us in the second half. I watched some of that and it was tough. So I don't like to me, I don't really need to watch him out there while we're getting destroyed by the French. But if he wanted to go, I think I feel like they should have just US soccer should just let him go. I don't know.
00:25:16
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Yeah, well and especially because for literally like 99% of every other nation for players who play at a high level in their in-club season right now, they are never going to release them. So the fact that the Sounders were open to releasing Jordan
00:25:35
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during a tournament like doing a tournament that they can clinch a Champions League spot and can win money and you know like they were willing to work with US soccer but US soccer was being so incredibly dumb just so but like what's new are we like you know when you followed US soccer long enough like I have you kind of get used to this
00:25:57
Speaker
It's one of those things where they're just so obsessed with the technicality of it. You guys could just adjust the protocol slightly to accommodate. He's not putting himself above the team. It's just how the schedule worked out. Why are you so rigid about stuff like this? Especially when your organization, let's be honest,
00:26:19
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doesn't have the best reputation and credibility to begin with, especially like these days.
Player Development and Coaching
00:26:26
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So, it's just pretty dumb all around. Yeah, if we have to make an exception for Jordan, we have to make an exception for everyone else. And it's like, buddy, Duncan Maguire and Tanner Tessman and Jean Luca Buscio, who they're not even in season right now, I don't think, like, who cares? I think that is the biggest point that I want you all to take away from
00:26:49
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The segment of the show is who cares? Yeah, that's what like. Wow. Columbus crew crew really missing out on Patrick Schulte. You know what I mean? Like, come on, let's be so for real. All right. Yeah, I think that's about enough on the the Olympics. We can if the U.S. does something, if anything notable happens, I'll talk about the Olympics. I just honestly haven't been paying all that close attention to any of the Olympics. Not even Josh Atencio gets in or plays. We'll talk about that. Yeah, for sure.
00:27:18
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All right, let's hit this agenda check. I got four written down for this week, Noah. We're gonna do a Paul Rothrock one this week because it actually, I mean, the guy was on the field as a substitute, right? And got two more goal contributions, including the goal team. You can only hope to contain Paul Rothrock. Like, and really,
00:27:46
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Like I was saying earlier, it's just, uh, by the week, by the minute, I just continue to be more and more fascinated with this whole storyline, which started as a bit and is now really taken off, taken on a life of its own, um, with every assist log, with every goal scored. Um, I haven't added up his full stats, but for his career, you know, he's gotten like probably like
00:28:11
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eight or nine goal contributions now in like 500 minutes, you know. And he was just, he was at it again in this game with the nutmeg, the energy, the assist, the goal. I mean, the Paul Rothrock storyline, the Paul Rothrock agenda, not going anywhere anytime soon.
00:28:29
Speaker
Yeah, no, I am. I am continued to be amazed by Paulie, but at the same time I'm not amazed because he works so hard. This was one of my favorite things to come out of the last game. This is from Jeremiah. Paul Rothrock now has seven goals and three assists for the Sanders across all competitions. There you go. That's good for a 0.86 goal contributions per 90. This is Mr. Automatic. 0.86 per 90.
00:28:54
Speaker
Absolutely. That's Denny bawonga like like not even joking like that is actually a small sample, but like you know The thing is it would be a small sample, but it continues every single match He comes and he plays there is like you can literally feel and see the shift. It's not even like sample size anymore I feel like we are literally witnessing greatness born and
00:29:19
Speaker
Like on this pitch, every single time he plays, I did want to pose this question here. Okay. This is a part of this agenda check. I'll say Paul Rothrock versus Pedro de la Vega. Who is the better value?
00:29:36
Speaker
Oh, I mean, value, it's easily Paul Rothrock because you're paying him like 30K a year and he's giving you like 0.86 goals and assists per 90 or whatever. And De La Vega has been hurt the whole time. So value, it's not even close. I mean, raw talent, you know.
00:29:54
Speaker
I'm even taking into account what we've seen from Paul Rothrock and what we haven't seen from De La Vega because of the injuries. I mean, I'm probably taking De La Vega, but I mean, the value that Paul Rothrock has provided to this roster this year is insane when you consider, I mean, like the league minimum is like 80K now. So, um, but he's got to be making around the league minimum. I can't imagine he's making all that much more than that.
00:30:18
Speaker
The last thing I wanted to just say about Paul Rothrock was to, we got to do extensive Paul Rothrock content, and any week where he gets two goal contributions, we're going to do it. But I alluded to this, I think, on the last show when we did the in-depth Paul Rothrock segment, which is that, to me, it shows the power of
00:30:37
Speaker
what can happen when you have nothing to lose. When you have nothing to lose, your career is kind of at a crossroads. You're thinking about getting a regular job. He was having all those thoughts and he's just been playing with his hair on fire ever since, probably with that mentality. It's been fun to watch it pay off and it's been like a
00:31:00
Speaker
It's been kind of a respite at times this season from what this season was dragging earlier this season. And the, and the Paul Rothrock thing was like, all we, all we had for awhile. And I mean, you know, now that the team's been playing a lot better and he's still playing well.
00:31:13
Speaker
And still, of course, skyrocketing the agenda. But just what a great subplot. I mean, we really, yeah, we couldn't be bigger fans of Paul Rothrock. Next agenda. One thing before we, I just, I know, I know we're going to stick on this Paul Rothrock. Oh yeah, but we can do 10 more minutes as far as I'm concerned. Let's go. Yeah. But I wanted to kind of maybe make a little bit of a cross reference that I've been thinking about. I look at Alex Roldon and what
00:31:38
Speaker
what Brian Schmetzer has been able to do and make Alex Roldan into coming in from basically a very similar situation as Paul Rothrock, right? Like, maybe you make the team, maybe you don't, but he was working really hard in training. He came up and then he won his starting spot. He played incredibly elite through the last few years. You know, maybe he's fallen off a little bit this season, but he's still a very, like, a very key piece to this team and this club. And, like, I see
00:32:07
Speaker
I see this thing that Brian is able to do and pull out of players, like a Paul Rothrock, like an Alex Roldan, where they are not the $1 million superstar, but it doesn't matter. They're going to play just as hard. They're going to find a way. I don't know. I just appreciate that Brian, as a coach, has the upbringing in playing himself, not being the best player on the team and understanding and
00:32:37
Speaker
Cultivating those players like that's just been so fun to watch because we get storylines like this and you know, yeah That's a good shout. Like I think Schmetz actually he does deserve credit for stuff like the for the Paul Rothrock thing and I think It's an example of you know, the whole perception of Schmetz is that he's this like not a very tactical coach but more of a man-manager and I do think there is some degree of truth to that but like when you think about
00:33:06
Speaker
man managing and putting your players in the best positions to succeed and then subsequently getting the best out of them. That is the real substantive part of coaching that Schmetz really excels at. And to me, the way I think about it philosophically is that's the most important part.
00:33:25
Speaker
of coaching. You do have coaches that are elite at the X's and O's and can give you advantages in that way. That's few and far between. What you mostly need is guys that can manage the locker room, manage the inner team dynamics, manage egos and all that, and put their players in the best positions to succeed and get the best out of them. And I do think stuff like Paul Rothrock or Alex Roldon, like you said, that's examples of Schmetz excelling in those areas.
00:33:55
Speaker
Um, the John Bell agenda, the John Bell should get more minutes agenda. I thought it was strengthened. I think he's, he's looked pretty good, pretty steady. Um, he, uh, he had a goal against the, uh, was that the St. Louis game? Yeah. Yeah. For his team. Uh, but really like, you know, his job first and foremost is, uh, is defending and he frankly, um,
00:34:20
Speaker
he he seemed a little less mistake prone than Jackson Reagan has been at times so I don't know if I would I think I was questioning the Jackson Reagan stock a little bit a few weeks ago he's been a lot better the last few weeks for sure but I think
00:34:37
Speaker
as much as anything, the takeaway with the John Bell thing is that he's providing good depth and good competition. And like, if there was an injury or Jackson Reagan and or I'm are needed to sit or get rotated out. I feel great about John Bell going in there and being solid in defense and also providing as much, if not more of an attacking threat on set pieces than starting to even if
00:35:06
Speaker
It's sort of a wash in defense. Yeah, no, I've loved his attacking movement. Him being able to like just get forward and do the things that we kind of thought that Jackson would be able to do because he is so big and like tall and just like this presence or that we both have talked about that he should work on and add to his game and he could be like incredibly elite. But John Bell's doing it and like week by week he's looking even better and more solid defensively. I really do think
00:35:34
Speaker
that he is giving himself an opportunity to challenge for a starting spot. I truly believe that. I don't think that Jackson's getting worse, but I do think that John Bell's getting better, and anytime you can add an attacking piece, especially when we've been performing so well on set pieces with Rusnak, you know, kind of coming into his own, why not? Why not have an extra player who can, you know, bam in a really sick header? So I'm hot on the John Bell agenda. I think his stock is
00:36:03
Speaker
it's through the roof. It's going up. It's going up for sure. The Pedro de la Vega is the savior agenda. We talked about this a little bit, but we'll head on again. I mean, honestly, I came out of this game if I had to just...
00:36:19
Speaker
give my honest feelings on it. I felt like the Pedro de la Vega as the savior agenda was a little diminished based on just sort of the rust and lack of chemistry, lack of execution that we saw, especially in the first half. But like, it's just, you know, people are going to be we were we were texting a little bit about whether like, whether or not he might be a bot. I don't think you can really
00:36:41
Speaker
say definitively anything at all about his stock yet. It's been, I know everyone wants him to be just, you put him in like Nico Ledero and he instantly elevates the whole team like that. Watching Nico do that into the 2016 team was one of the all-time dopamine rushes that I think any of us- That's about harder than anything ever. That was insane. Well, just how instantaneous it was. Remember the Galaxy game, the first game that he ever played and he subbed on at the half
00:37:09
Speaker
And I think everyone who follows this team as close as we do had the same reaction, which was just like, holy shit. Like the the passes this guy is hitting, how instantaneous, how instantaneous he elevated just how the whole team played was incredible. And De La Vega has not been able to replicate that in part because of injury. But also this is a you have to remember this is like a different profile of player. This is like a younger, more developmental type player who you are hedging on.
00:37:38
Speaker
upside and uh you are hoping you've seen flashes of it early in his career and you're hoping and
Seattle's League Cup Strategy
00:37:44
Speaker
uh you're you're banking on with coaching and a good comfort level and a good environment that those attributes will be brought out with him consistently and eventually he will have the type of impact that illadero did have but he's just not really at the point in his career where
00:38:00
Speaker
It's reasonable to expect that he's gonna be doing to do that in the same way that Nico did So what I would say is especially when you take into account like all the injuries that he's had this year so I think what I would say is as frustrating as it might be and as much as We're all kind of underwhelmed with the experience so far I think you just you got to be patient and you got to let him You got to let him gel with the team and then see see what he can do and then we'll make a judgment on it
00:38:26
Speaker
Yeah, I'm ready to declare that he is the savior dead because I just don't think that him alone is going to be the reason that this team wins or lose games, at least the rest of this season. Maybe he turns it up. I don't know, you know. I think for this season, that's a fair shout. I think long term, though, the agenda is still alive.
00:38:46
Speaker
sure yeah no i think that's fair but i think you know uh he's not a bad player he clearly has upside but he's injured and or he was injured and he's still playing on a minutes restriction and he's clearly not been able to get like fitness wise healthy and that's an issue and that's concerning there's plenty of concerns about him i just don't think that in any world he will be the savior of this club he will be a great player if you
00:39:14
Speaker
if he's able to get back to the level that he was at, if you're able to develop him in the right way. But I don't think that he is, and I mean, maybe it's too early to say this too. Maybe I'm just gonna, you know, I'm just gonna say it. I'm just gonna say it. This is a podcast. Who cares? He's not the savior. It's not too early to tell. Everything's bad. It's over. He's cooked. Get him off the table. No, I'm just kidding.
00:39:37
Speaker
I mean, yeah, that got hot at the end. I had a sound bite in there. Yeah, no. I mean, I understand the non-bit part of that sentiment because, I mean, let's face it, we went into this season hoping and expecting that he would be a big part of this team and have a big impact. And that just hasn't happened yet. And even in the times that we've seen him play when he hasn't been injured, which is not very often,
00:40:03
Speaker
It hasn't looked like that, but I'm willing to I want to give it more time. I want to see what I can do. I've seen enough individual glimpses that I'm intrigued, still intrigued. I just don't have any expectations for the rest of this season personally. And honestly, like if you want to maintain your emotional well-being, like that's probably the best approach to take.
00:40:26
Speaker
because I mean, it's been a frustrating year with this. It really has and it feels like the biggest factor that we thought could elevate this team ceiling has been taken away. We haven't really even gotten the chance to see if it could be true or not and that's what's frustrating to me.
00:40:43
Speaker
Um, uh, last agenda, I'm going to throw this one out there. So I, uh, I tossed out the beginnings of the Jordan Morris and Albert Rusnak are the best one, two punch in MLS agenda. And then that immediately blew up on my, in my face because Seattle got bammed on by LAFC really bad and neither one of them did anything. And like, you know, to be fair, I wasn't saying that event, that agenda was cash money. I was saying that,
00:41:08
Speaker
you know, if they stay in similar form. He was putting it on the stove. I was putting it on the stove. Putting it on the stove, like, if they kept producing, honestly, if they kept producing at the crazy pace that they had been the few weeks prior to that LAFC game, I mean, that agenda would be kind of hot, like, just based on the output that they had. But realistically, like, they were going to slow down eventually. They did against LAFC. But in the spirit of tossing out red-hot agendas that really don't have that much of a chance of taking hold,
00:41:38
Speaker
I've got the Jordan Morris and the Paul Rothrock are the best one, two punch of all time agenda, uh, which I think was strengthened in this game. I mean, if you look at what they did late in the game and I mean, you know, if you compare them to the other great one, two punches in history, like, I don't know, like, uh, Michael and Scotty, like, I don't know who knew what her name, like Jordan Morris and Paul Rothrock. They're up there to me.
00:42:00
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sorry. Scotty Pippin, who? That's Paul Rothrock in your face. Baman in goals, Baman in assists. This kid does it better than Sean Kemp and Gary Payton, you know what I'm talking about? We're talking about the new Rain Men. The new Rain Men. Paul Rothrock and Jordan Morris. I co-sign this agenda. It's a good agenda, and I'm going to stand by it even if we take heat for it. All right, let's dive into questions, Noah. What do we got?
00:42:29
Speaker
let's do it thank you all for your questions i know this was a lackluster league's cup and you know what honestly
Player Performance: João Paulo and Obed Vargas
00:42:35
Speaker
you guys didn't step it up with your questions there's a lot of similar ones you need to you need to heat it up i know it's league's cup but come on let's uh if you get a red card have a little you know show a little emotion here
00:42:46
Speaker
But we'll tell we got we got five here from our friends. This one starts out with Michael I want to see John Bell and Yamar start together John Bell has shown he is much more aggressive with the ball and is better defender than a Reagan Ari How do you feel about that? I don't I don't think that's a terrible shout, you know, like I said, like I was down on the Reagan stock a little bit I've been back up on it, but I think I think JB has he's really he's been balling like honestly, he's been playing really well and
00:43:16
Speaker
especially like with League's Cup where you can get a little more adventurous with the lineups like that's one where I wouldn't mind like sending him back out there both you know in the spirit of preserving guys fitness and and energy and all that stuff for the stretch run of the league season but also just to see if there is more to this John Bell agenda I think it's a good take
00:43:38
Speaker
yeah i'm enjoying the john bill motion in the ocean and also he's a poster just like both of us he has a twitter with like 45 000 tweets like i'm sorry he is one of us folks this next question comes from scott what is the best nickname for paul rothrock and doesn't have to be flint stone's base i don't know if i grew up the flint stones thing but ari what is your go-to nickname
00:44:01
Speaker
for the Capitol Hill kid. Well, John, John Bell called him PROC, which I thought was pretty good. And then someone else, I think listener Dan was in my mentions and he, he pitched a Roth Rock Lobster. Roth Rock Lobster, which I think is kind of fire. How'd you feel about the Rocky one that was given to him by MLS?
00:44:22
Speaker
Rocky see i'm not as into that one. I I kind of I kind of like p-rock especially if like the guys on the team are calling in p-rock Um, it's you know, there's got to be rock has to be involved. Correct. Honestly just straight up rock this guy You know this team has had connections to the rock in the past that is true, you know
00:44:46
Speaker
Maybe but I'm gonna I'm gonna have to think about this a little more because I'm a big-time Nick Namer I'm kind of notorious among my friends who I don't I don't have like
00:44:55
Speaker
a single like friend that I've known for a really long time that I call by their real name. And I call athletes by nicknames a lot. I'm sure everyone who listens to this knows. So I think I do have to, I'm going to have to actually settle on one for Paul Rothrock soon, especially because he's been the main character on this show since we started this show. So yeah.
00:45:18
Speaker
Yeah, okay. We'll get an official ruling midweek episode or you've got a few days to think about it. Maybe you can even put out an official statement on sounderatheart.com, sounderatheart.com slash lssubscribe. All right, next question come in here from Mike. Did anyone on the sounder step to Hasani Dotson after that egregious tackle on Louis Diaz? I don't recall anyone getting at that dude or even checking in on Raoul.
00:45:43
Speaker
from what was shown on the podcast. This is what I'm saying. No one gave a shit about the whole thing. Hasani Dotson didn't give a shit. The Sounders players didn't really give a shit. They were talking about...
00:45:56
Speaker
reviewing the play to check if it was actually a red card offense and his Aunty Dotson looked like he really did not want to be spared his fate of getting a jet. The whole thing was like bizarre. I didn't know what to make of that. Like pretty much any time in a professional soccer game when you see a red card come out, you get the swarm and the guys yelling at the ref. I didn't even do it. Like there was just none of that.
00:46:20
Speaker
And Raoul went off injured too, and no one really stood anything. It was very odd, it was very odd. Raoul is okay though, they did report that he just had a little bit of it. He subbed on and then had to come off after that tackle, which was definitely unfortunate, but like...
00:46:36
Speaker
It was just the vibes. The vibes were weird. The vibes were weird. Yeah, exactly. All right. This one comes from Chris and this is our final question. Xiaopalo looked really slow out there. How do you think JP played this game, Ari? Nothing comes to mind as like egregiously bad. I think with JP,
00:46:58
Speaker
During the dark days of earlier this season, he was not in very good form. Then he had a couple games in recent weeks when the team started heating up where he really, I thought he looked like pretty much like old JP, like just a menace on both sides of the ball. And I was very much encouraged. And I think I even said that
00:47:14
Speaker
I felt like that was kind of an X factor that could elevate the team as much if not more than De La Vega if JP becomes the JP of old I think the kind of conclusion I'm coming to with it is that he's still a good player but like the just the peak pre ACL JP who is one of the most dominant two boy players in the league I don't know if he's got that level consistently I don't know if he's gonna get that back and
00:47:45
Speaker
That's sort of, that's like an under talked about issue because, um, like a lot of this team, like how this team functions, like really on both sides of the ball, like it's through him. And if he's not at his peak level, that is a, that's a ceiling capper. Is it not?
00:48:02
Speaker
No, I agree. And I think that, like, Obed has done a great job of stepping up in that position and really filling in and kind of hiding some of the, like, the degrading-ness of JP. He doesn't have that same, like, defensive bite now. He's not, he will never be JP. But, like, I think that...
00:48:19
Speaker
Like with them playing next to each other. I think it's been able to balance it out. But yeah, man, I really I agree I feel like we really haven't we talked about it a little bit at the beginning of the season but coming to now it's yeah, I mean I don't think he's Terrible like if he yeah, like if he was costing the team points by playing really bad every week I think we would be talking about him more but it's more just like he's been more of like
00:48:42
Speaker
an average to good mls6 as opposed to an elite mls6 and for this team to be contending for stuff i feel like he's got to be an elite mls6 yeah i agree and listen i was the purveyor of the jp is washed and then he was bamming on you for a while but then you know
00:48:59
Speaker
maybe we need to bring it we're bringing it back right now okay bring it back heat it back up JP but thank you all for your questions I did I did get on you but these these few were really good so we appreciate you thank you as always to everyone who submits those and gets the discourse flowing you can always do so in my mentions
00:49:19
Speaker
I just had a few other takes on the other league's cup results that have happened over the past couple days in addition to Seattle and then we can get out of here unless you got anything else Noah.
MLS Teams' Leagues Cup Performance
00:49:30
Speaker
Oh let's do it. Alright yeah so I mean I was keeping track of the
00:49:34
Speaker
of the other games that were going on last night as well. And then I didn't watch as much tonight, but I looked at some of the scores today. I mean, LFC beat the shit out of Club Tijuana 3-0. And my takeaway on from that game was it was kind of satisfying to watch a League of the Meccies team just get the full belong a treatment. Like he was just he was going off. They really they could have had like
00:49:59
Speaker
five or six goals on that team. They were, they looked like, it was like the peak buzzsaw version of LAFC and Bwanga just like playing like out of his mind type stuff. And when they get in that mode, like it's kinda, it's pretty hard to stop them. I mean, Seattle just learned that lesson once again, but this was worse, honestly. Like if you thought Seattle got bammed on by LAFC, Club Tijuana got absolutely murked and,
00:50:28
Speaker
You know, that was funny, but also, um, like LAFC is just, they're probably, I mean, they're definitely a front runner was, I didn't, I didn't expect to come away thinking anything different from that game, but that kind of confirmed it. Um, the other game, the, uh,
00:50:45
Speaker
Austin FC game, who are they playing? I can't remember. It was, was it Puebla? It was, it was Unam, I'm pretty sure. Oh no, yeah. Yeah. So Austin versus Pumas. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. This Austin versus Pumas game was the best game of the Friday night slate. So Austin FC, they, they won 3-2, but what happened was their, their new DP winger. Did you see this?
00:51:09
Speaker
Their new DP winger got a red card in the first half. That rocks. They were playing down a man for like the entire, the end of the first half and the entire second half and they ended up, uh, it was too, too late and then they ended up going up three, two, and then at the very like last couple of minutes of second half stoppage time, um,
00:51:29
Speaker
the pumas get a penalty kick to tie it and basically that would have sent it to pikas pretty much uh and they have their guy go up to the spot it was in 90 plus four 90 plus four that goes up against steph cleveland former seattle sounder shout out steph cleveland he got legend they uh they play brad stuver every week but for league's cup they decided to uh
00:51:49
Speaker
give Steph Cleveland some run and it paid off. And this was honestly like for as much as the rest of the slate drag last night, this was an electric moment. This penalty kick, like at very last second of the game, the crowd at Q2 was going nuts. And Steph Cleveland made one of the better PK saves I've seen this season on this guy. He laid all the way out, guessed perfectly.
00:52:12
Speaker
Got his hand to it and he tipped it. He tipped it out and just like the explosion of emotion in the building was crazy. They cut to Brad Stuver on the sideline and he was going nuts. And I always think like I love it. I love it when the starter is like not playing either from injury or rotated out in this case.
00:52:33
Speaker
And the backup is in and makes a big play and they cut to the starter and he's like going nuts for his guy. Like that's such a sick moment. And like even on the field, all the Austin FC players were going crazy. And Steph Cleveland was celebrating, but then he was like, everybody's like, fuck off. Like go back to, go back to your thoughts. Like we still got to like see this game out. But like just the, uh,
00:52:54
Speaker
That was honestly one of the sickest moments of the year Like and to see a guy who has been kind of a career backup Yeah, but has honestly shown that he is a quality and talented player when he played for Seattle. He was good Yeah, he was good. I maybe I'm maybe I'm totally making this up in my head
00:53:14
Speaker
get it. But I feel like he saved a penalty for Seattle as well. He did. He also, there was like a Portland game. It was like the first start he had and everyone was like, Oh my God, like we're throwing the backup goalie in for a Timbers game at Providence Park. And he not only balled out, but like,
00:53:34
Speaker
uh he made some like really crazy saves in that game yeah so shout out to our boy shout out to our boy and really just like shout out to uh that game for kind of salvaging what was not a very good night of games um as for tonight uh inner miami beat puebla 2-0 uh louis louis soir has scored
00:53:58
Speaker
You had Atlas beating Houston. The Revs beat Mazatlan. That's kind of surprising. Toronto beat the Red Bulls on PK00. I didn't watch any of that, but that sounds like a super sick game. And then I wanted to talk about this.
00:54:15
Speaker
Philly Union Charlotte FC game because so the Philly Union won 1-0 at Subaru Park, but a Charlotte FC coach Dean Smith had a really funny quote after the game that was it was both a funny quote like a good MLS coach Red Hot Press conference quote, but also I think it kind of
00:54:35
Speaker
It shows that the off vibes that we were talking about were not limited just to us here in Seattle. This is Dean Smith, Charlotte FC coach, after their 1-0 loss to the Philly Union in League's Cup. He said, quote, that wasn't an MLS game.
00:54:50
Speaker
That's possibly the worst game I've seen since I came over to the USA. It was a litany of errors for both teams. They deserved to win because they probably got the only shot on target all game. It was just a bad, bad game. Not a great advert. We have to take responsibility for that. And we just told the players that in the dressing room, the pitcher didn't help. I think they must have had a water shortage here or something. I think I've played on better car parks than that. It was so much better when we played here last time.
00:55:17
Speaker
My god Dean Dean's fire honestly, I think all he's done a pretty damn good job with Charlotte, but like just the fact that He came out and he said that's the worst possibly the worst game I've seen since I came over to the USA
00:55:32
Speaker
Think it's so funny too because this comes off of like literally a week ago at the all-star game You know the why am I blanking on the same Don Garber was literally like guys the open cups ass No one wants to watch those shitty games. There's like four people at the games that the quality is bad They're playing back up to the back up to the backups and then you get to this and it's like Dean Smith's like
00:55:56
Speaker
This is literally not only the worst game I've watched, the worst field I've played on, and the worst environment I've played in. Honestly, I want to go back and watch that game now. When I was watching the Seattle game, there was definitely a lot of lengthy portions of it where I was like, this is bad. This is pretty bad. I would not call it the worst game that I've seen.
00:56:20
Speaker
I mean, I've seen some bad ones, seen some real bad. I've been covering MLS since 2014. So I've seen some some bad games. Yeah. So that wasn't I don't think this one didn't really stand out much. It was kind of just like a run of the mill bad game where it kind of dragged a little bit.
00:56:36
Speaker
Like that scathing of a critique from one of the coaches, it must have been so bad. Oh gosh. The union like are not good right now. So I'm like, yeah, I'm low key curious as to like why he, I mean, he said it was a litany of errors. So, um,
00:56:54
Speaker
Anyway, shout out to Dean Smith for providing us with that content for the week. That's your blazing, blazing hot coach press conference quote of the week. Um, all right. That was all I had. Uh, unless you had any other news items that I miss, no, I think we can call it a wrap right there for episode 54. Um, thank you as always to everyone for tuning in. We really appreciate each and every one of you.
00:57:20
Speaker
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00:57:42
Speaker
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