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Extended Clip - Max Allegri Raging Striptease: Juventus Win Coppa Italia (Ep. 418)
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After Max Allegri had an epic raging striptease meltdown following Juventus winning the Coppa Italia against Atalanta, Nima Tavallaey and Carlo Garganese discuss his legacy at Juve as well as analyze why this meltdown happened now and what it means for the future moving on.
This is a clip from the weekly Thursday episode of the Italian Football Podcast.
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Transcript
Allegri's Touchline Antics
00:00:02
Speaker
Welcome to the Italian football podcast. We have to talk about about Max Olegri because he is, funnily enough, the talking point of the fight.
00:00:13
Speaker
those antics of the touch I thought of you straight away as soon as I saw him take rip off his jacket then he ripped off his tie and then he started doing his shirt bands I was like where's this going where's this going never I mean it was that was that was gold that was I love when he's angry because he he doesn't he doesn't hide like when he loses it he absolutely goes ballistic and he went ballistic and you have to understand
Criticism and Challenges
00:00:38
Speaker
the amount of shit, rancid shit that this man has taken for three years. From me, mostly. Well, from everyone and from every angle. And yesterday was kind of, you know,
00:00:52
Speaker
It was like, well, I did win a trophy. And it was, it was, you know, with this squad that is not, it is the worst event aside in my lifetime. Nothing comes close to it. I compare it to, you know, you talk about, uh, del Neri's you over, they had a couple of Ballon d'Or winners and world champions there. Okay. They were better than they, but this is absolutely horrible. And, and for him to finish consistently in the champions league.
00:01:17
Speaker
for three years, he wins a trophy, the footballs not look good, no one's denying that, there's been problems. But if you take all the problems that have been there, he didn't create any of the big problems. The complete financial meltdown that he inherited, then, well, the bloody SWAT team charging in and the entire board resigning and some of the criminal investigations going on and all that. That's not an easy situation to handle.
00:01:45
Speaker
and point deductions added taken added you know all of this no money to buy players you know no real sporting project until juntoly comes in and you know bringing in pogba wasting money on that like all this nonsense that's been going on
Proving Worth: Allegri's Response
00:02:01
Speaker
And he's just weathered the storm. And so you could say that it was too much for him. He was like, I'm going to show all you sons of bees what I'm made of. And this is who I am. Did it juntily apparently? No, it wasn't. It was Landucci. He denied it. It wasn't junta, it was Landucci. It was the other guy.
00:02:20
Speaker
He was going to but look look he and he is a serial winner six area titles five Copa Italia That's
Achievements and Legacy
00:02:28
Speaker
a record by the way. No one is in history in Italian football history Manager has won that many Copa Italia three Super Copa two Champions League. We are talking about
00:02:37
Speaker
You know, one of the greatest coaches ever in Italian football with that. That one's going to deny that if you look at his legacy as a whole in his career and his legacy as a whole at the event has obviously taken into account his first belt. Everybody knows my views on Allegri coming back. I didn't want him to come back. I think it has been.
00:02:58
Speaker
It has been a disaster, really, but at least he leaves with a trophy. And that's what I said before the game. You know, there is something tangible to take from this that we can say it hasn't been completely worthless. He's won a trophy. Yes, it's the Coppa Italia. It's not.
00:03:13
Speaker
a massive trophy. It's not the Serie A title. It's not a European title. If we're talking Juventus standards, that is the standards that are set by Juventus. So that doesn't erase any of what we've seen, the shortcomings and all the other shortcomings, the development of players,
Hinting Departure
00:03:34
Speaker
everything we've gone about. I don't want to come into it again. But he's won this trophy. All the signs at the end of the game were
00:03:43
Speaker
I mean, I think it's apparent. There's there was multiple signs. I mean, we know already, I think that he's leaving, but there were multiple signs at the press conference after the when he was sitting on the advertisement board looking at the crowd. I mean, that was that was obviously the body language was not just literally said as much that they're trying to throw me out of you there.
00:04:03
Speaker
I mean, he said as much with reports saying that, you know, I'm leaving a very good side. Yeah, exactly. The words were pretty apparent that, yeah, they were. He's going to leave. We know him for a while he's going to leave, but it's job well done. It's job, you know, mission complete.
00:04:24
Speaker
Now, you do what you want with it.
Navigating Turmoil and Youth Development
00:04:27
Speaker
Good luck to you. But I have overseen the bridge from the Paratici Cluster F to the new Juve. And I have done so by phasing out older players with high salary wages. Those that are left are going to leave the Rabios de Alexandros, the Pogbas. He's given chances to many young players, Elling Junior, Cavillia,
00:04:54
Speaker
Miretti, Fajoli, you know, I could go on, you know, there's many others that he's given chances to. Gatti's taken lots of strides under him. Kambiasa came in and grew under him. Vlauvic has improved incredibly given who he was when he was with Fiorentina and who he is now learning to play. I mean, he has done a fantastic job. I don't buy this notion. This is the thing that annoys me with the criticism against him. Yes, the football, there is criticism there, but this notion that, you know,
00:05:21
Speaker
Listen, look at what he had to inherit and what he has been forced to do. There's not very many coaches in the world that could have done as well as he's done in this situation that Juventus were in. Winning nine years in a row is not the normal and Juventus fans are going to just have to grapple with that reality.
00:05:40
Speaker
That's entitled nonsense. You don't have a God-given right to the Serie A title every single year. You had a historic cycle, which has never been seen in Italian football before, probably never will be, with nine Scudetti in a row, four doubles, cup Serie A doubles, and two Champions League finals. That's unbelievable. That's not the normal. That's the abnormal.
00:06:07
Speaker
comparing this uwe to that uwe is insane. And if you look at also everything that's happened, the financial meltdown, the legal meltdown, the entire board resigning, how poorly constructed the squad was under Panatici, who didn't know what he was doing after Marotta left.
00:06:27
Speaker
And you see what he leaves behind. You can't see what he's done in these three years.
Maintaining Winning Culture
00:06:34
Speaker
He's bridged the gap and he's done so during a financial and turmoil of the club and legal turmoil and criminal cases left, right and center. It's truly remarkable. And he will be, remember, there's no doubt in my mind, once this all settles,
00:06:51
Speaker
You know, history is kind to winners. He will be remembered as one of the greatest Juventus coaches to have ever coached that club. And there's quite a few to pick from. Well, there's no doubt about that. But that's from his first. I mean, listen, I don't disagree. I don't agree with you on the on his job in the second. His second spot, I think it's been a disaster and a Coppertalia final doesn't Coppertalia victory doesn't win. It just it it gives something from from from the spell. It's been a disaster. And I don't agree that he's I mean, the team isn't he hasn't prepared the team at all.
00:07:21
Speaker
for the next coach at all because of the lack of development of the players. What he has done though is he's won a trophy and winning a trophy breeds winning. Now that is what he has done. He's made them win something. So these players that do stay, the ones that are going to be good enough to stay are
00:07:46
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going to have won a trophy, like Cambiaso, for example, he's going to be a better player because he's experienced winning a final, he's played well in a final, he's won a trophy. And the same with the other players that will remain there, including like younger players, even they didn't play for long yield years. And Vlovich is his first trophy. It might be actually, it's his first trophy in his career, but for Vlovich, I think it actually might be. So these players will be better from winning. So that is what he has.
00:08:15
Speaker
gifted to whoever takes over. I can't agree with the other stuff, but we've been there and had that discussion already. What he does do also, and this is important for his legacy, is he avoids going three seasons without a trophy.
00:08:36
Speaker
And that would have only been the third time in 50 years that Juventus have gone three years without a trophy. And that is not something that you want as brilliant as your first spell has been. You wouldn't want that on your record. So he's avoided that. And that is, you know, I think that would have been a shame if what amazing job and all the trophies he won in his first spell had, you know, that had been kind of not ruined, but kind of blackened the, you know, the
00:09:06
Speaker
his legacy a little bit, for want of a better word. So I think that is important.