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Getting it Out in the Open ft. Joey Harrison
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Whitefield 2nd XI vice-captain and Liverpool Competition record holder Joey Harrison joins Tom (not Jamie) to chat about the start of the Comp season, 14-year-old Indian prodigies, Lancashire, showers, socks, the Hundred and more.
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Introduction to Episode 3
00:00:05
Tom Evans
Thank you.
00:00:44
Tom Evans
Hello everyone, welcome to episode three of the Last Hour Cricket Podcast, a podcast about cricket in Merseyside and beyond. My name is Tom Evans from Merseyside Cricket Online.
00:00:54
Tom Evans
ah With me is not my co-host Jamie Bowman, who is very selfishly taking his wife out for her birthday dinner this evening. So ah happy birthday Mrs. Bowman, but um you know, priorities.
Vaibhav Suryavanshi's Century
00:01:07
Tom Evans
um Now all the cricket world this week has been abuzz about a young man at Rajasthan Royals in the IPL named Vaibhav Suryavanshi. He's just 14 years old and he made a 35 ball century for the Royals against Gujarat Titans.
00:01:21
Tom Evans
But did he ever take 10 for 3 against Magul 3rd XI? Well no he didn't.
Joey's Record-Breaking Performance
00:01:28
Tom Evans
um But with me today is a man who did, Joey Harrison. How are you Joey?
00:01:32
Joey
Oh, you're all right.
00:01:34
Tom Evans
Now, that 10 for three against the Magool 3rd-11 back in 2017, that is still the ah the record on play cricket for the Liverpool competition. It's the best bowling figures um on record.
00:01:45
Joey
Okay.
00:01:47
Tom Evans
It's still ah still still top of that so top of the three.
00:01:47
Joey
Yeah.
00:01:50
Joey
We won an only season of Birchfield, that was. Yeah.
00:01:53
Tom Evans
Yeah, yeah. Well, you you left an impression, clearly. You also scored 24, not out, in that game. Were you not out? You also scored 24 in that game anyway, which...
00:02:03
Joey
Yeah, half
00:02:03
Tom Evans
You know, you can you beat McGill third 11 by 11 runs yourself.
00:02:07
Joey
the score I think I got for the team as well.
00:02:08
Tom Evans
um
00:02:11
Joey
To
00:02:12
Tom Evans
what What was it like going back into the dressing room, you know, saying it to 10 people, thanks for coming, lads, you know?
00:02:18
Joey
be fair, I always remember coming off at T and scored, I think we got 40-odd, and that the lads' heads were down, but that wicket, it wasn't the best. It was a proper... village, church, yard, wicket, know what mean?
00:02:29
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:02:33
Joey
And I said to her, went, tell you what, 40s or 200 score on that wicket. A lot of lads were there tonight. was like, we're going to beat these, but I wasn't expecting to get the 10. And don't get me wrong, the two other lads bowled at other end, and bowled well.
00:02:44
Joey
It just come off for me a little bit. Like nine.
00:02:46
Tom Evans
You say that, but um um um I'm looking at scorecard here. Fair enough, ah Michael Finletter took, you know, he bowled one over one maiden.
00:02:55
Joey
Yeah, yeah.
00:02:55
Tom Evans
Can't really say fairer than that. You know, there were plenty of wickets going at the other end. Leaky Stephen Shuttleworth, though, five or ten runs.
00:03:03
Joey
Yeah.
00:03:04
Tom Evans
Ruined the team's figures there.
00:03:05
Joey
Yeah, did you?
00:03:06
Tom Evans
i'm not Nine of the ten wickets were clean bowled as well.
00:03:11
Joey
Yeah, mean last me very last one was caught behind I was a little bit gutted. I wanted Luntie to drop it, the keeper.
00:03:18
Tom Evans
You only needed one other team mate.
00:03:20
Joey
Yeah.
00:03:20
Tom Evans
Excellent stuff. do you which Which was your favourite wicket of the time? Do you remember?
00:03:24
Joey
He was a lad batting four for my goal and I'm sure he was probably a two player. a I can't his name now. But yeah, he come out at number four and he looked a good bat, like looked technically good.
00:03:36
Joey
And I just thought, you know what? want to try and ball, like can't ball a bounce. never known to ball a bounce my life, but just going pull it back a little bit because he looks good on the front foot.
00:03:41
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:03:44
Joey
It didn't get any higher than ankle high.
00:03:46
Tom Evans
yeah
00:03:47
Joey
and balled in middle stump. So that was probably fair or not. It didn't come off the way he wanted it to, but it still worked.
00:03:53
Tom Evans
No? Yeah.
00:03:55
Joey
And I think i think he probably potentially could have won it by himself if he stayed.
00:03:59
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:04:00
Joey
think he got in for four or five. I think he got most of their score. and
00:04:05
Tom Evans
yeah
00:04:05
Joey
Yeah, his wicket probably. Yeah.
00:04:08
Tom Evans
Good stuff. Well, i'm congratulations on that achievement of um eight years ago, but don't get me wrong. Absolutely nothing wrong with nothing wrong with still being able to remember individual wickets you took eight years ago.
00:04:20
Joey
yeah
00:04:20
Tom Evans
I'd be the same if I'd taken 10 for three.
Local Cricket Season Review
00:04:24
Tom Evans
um The main thing that's happened since we were last doing this podcast is that the local cricket season has started.
00:04:31
Tom Evans
I've been to a couple of games already on Saturdays. The first week I was at Birkenhead Park to see Bootle chase down a decent score of 250, 240, 250 to win that game.
00:04:39
Joey
Yeah.
00:04:40
Tom Evans
I'm two forty two fifty to win that game um for their first game back in the top flight. but I thought that was quite a quite an impressive performance by then. It was an aggressive declaration by Birkenhead Park skipper Alex Harris, but um fair play to Bootle. They were asked to get the runs, and and they did. and Last week, last Saturday, i was at Newton-Willows to see how the other champions, Ormskirk, had started the season. and And, you know what, it could have been a game from last season, the way that Ormskirk...
00:05:10
Tom Evans
sort of had control. They kept the score down from the start. and um But for one over in which Leo Spilsbury for Newton took three wickets and four balls.
00:05:24
Joey
Yeah, I've been back before.
00:05:24
Tom Evans
i Yeah, yeah. it was ah It was a very impressive batting performance by Ormskirk as well. Captain Gary Knight finished on 66 not outs. So Ormskirk looking ominous at the top with ah up of the prem already.
00:05:39
Joey
Yeah, they're good, aren't they?
00:05:40
Tom Evans
Yeah, i'm very good. yeah um it's
00:05:42
Joey
you.
00:05:43
Tom Evans
you know It's a long way to
Whitefield Seconds Team Improvements
00:05:44
Tom Evans
go yet, obviously. It's ah two games out of 22. Lee in the Premier also. Also two for two in Division I, Liverpool, Springview, Sefton Park and Southport and Birkdale have won both their games.
00:05:56
Tom Evans
And Ainsdale, Caldey and Fleetwood Hesketh have in Division II. ah Just a quick word for a guy who's older than Vibab Suryavanchi, Harry de Brabanda.
00:06:06
Tom Evans
um He's just 15, so ancient by Registar Royal's terms, obviously. like ah He came out and batted number 11 for Newton. They were 120 nine. I think they were, and he came out. It's his Premier League debut. um He only found out he was in the team a couple of days before the match because ah George Bell got called up for Lancashire.
00:06:27
Joey
Yeah.
00:06:27
Tom Evans
and And he stuck around. He got 15, 17 himself, and he stuck around for a good half hour and let the last wicket put on 40 runs, which i thought was very impressive.
00:06:36
Joey
thing Yeah, it's good effort, man.
00:06:37
Tom Evans
Ended on the losing side, but um quite a way to make your debut against the against the best attack in the league.
00:06:44
Joey
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, don't think I had the bottle of 15 to do that in the prem.
00:06:48
Tom Evans
No, no. How are things going for you your Whitefield Seconds vice-captain currently, aren't you?
00:06:54
Joey
Yeah, yeah. and but do Not doing all right. I i think think the strength, I think the signings that the Wands have made have just strengthened the twos, which helps us. I know last year, Simon, the captain last year, he was still still struggling on a Friday afternoon to get the 11. We're...
00:07:10
Joey
well
00:07:10
Tom Evans
yeah
00:07:12
Joey
fingers crossed, such would, the last three weeks. ah Me and Mike Todd have, we've had 13, 14 lads to pick from, we're dropping people, which isn't the norm. It hasn't been the norm at Whitefield for quite a while.
00:07:21
Tom Evans
I think that's a
00:07:23
Joey
i And you're looking at the batting line-up, we've got people who are batting 89 who last year were opening the batting, or batting top four.
00:07:25
Tom Evans
start. I've got to the first couple of hours. And I think that's a good start.
00:07:31
Joey
Do you what I mean? So the strength and depth, I think the balling,
00:07:32
Tom Evans
I think it's a good start.
00:07:35
Joey
We've got too many similar bowlers, but but that'll that'll come in the season.
00:07:36
Tom Evans
I think it's a good start. I think it's a good start.
00:07:39
Joey
I'm not always available, which is annoying. I'm a different bowler. Tom Rigby's come back, which is a massive help as well. And he's starting to turn his arm over.
00:07:45
Tom Evans
I think it's good start.
00:07:47
Joey
but He's our spinning option. i But no, it's looking good. um i don't want to say anything too much because it's early on, but I've got to be by Sutton on the weekend. and I think if we got Nolan out, we went 100 for him early on.
00:08:02
Joey
I think it would have been in the balance. I think Pertensi would have could have won. Fair enough to Tom for it in 100. un it the thing was un in three hundred and four it was and And the week before we played Preston and again, think Preston were maybe 40 runs short.
00:08:16
Joey
Once we come off and we're under 140, we felt like we could do it. And to be fair, I don't know what Dave and Bert have done the groundsman this year, but Cotter Park's little bit of a road, which, yeah, it's flat.
00:08:28
Tom Evans
Is it?
00:08:31
Joey
Not getting much.
00:08:32
Tom Evans
This is making me want to get my pads back out.
00:08:34
Joey
Yeah, yeah, yeah, come back up. Yeah.
00:08:36
Tom Evans
No, I'll have that.
00:08:37
Joey
Yeah, the seamers aren't getting much ah pace off the ball, it's working a little bit more. There's not much movement or anything for the seamers, which is is weird, because there's always it's always a little bit of grass left on the top for something, but even ah last week it says it all with the first team game against Prestatting.
00:08:55
Joey
Yeah, very good start, yeah.
00:08:55
Tom Evans
Yes. It has been a good start for
Club Changes and Atmosphere
00:08:59
Tom Evans
the first team as well, hasn't it?
00:09:00
Joey
yeah very good spot
00:09:01
Tom Evans
How's the mood around the club? Because obviously, um you know, there was it was a bit of a fractious end to last season, fair to say. You know, there was the there was the points deduction and all the um sort the fallout after that and sort of being clear from relegation and then sort of thrown back into the relegation battle, um you know.
00:09:11
Joey
Yeah.
00:09:19
Tom Evans
As it turned out, you wouldn't have gone down anyway.
00:09:19
Joey
Yeah.
00:09:19
Joey
yeah oh
00:09:21
Tom Evans
But, you know, it it was a thought time at the club in general, wasn't it? But how how are things now?
00:09:26
Joey
Yeah.
00:09:27
Tom Evans
Are things looking positive?
00:09:28
Joey
Yeah, they are, yeah. then Ben coming on the skipper. um We call it, me and Simon call it a bit of a superpower. Yeah. he just gets tunnel vision.
00:09:39
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:09:39
Joey
at And he's he's just drove and drove over the win. So he's had me on the Facebook page messaging people, are you interested? What are you playing this year? i And yeah, the feel around the club's all right. And like said, the cop we've lost a couple lads to Prescott and Norley Hall.
00:09:57
Joey
a And like fair dues to them, it just, it come at an end and it was a sticky situation. That's the way you can describe it. But,
00:10:03
Tom Evans
who
00:10:05
Joey
But no, it feels good. It does. It feels good. Everyone's getting on. um Obviously, Cronje coming in, who played for Sutton last year, he's fitted in.
00:10:15
Tom Evans
Yes, helping get promoted, yeah.
00:10:17
Joey
Yeah, come straight in, fitted in. um All the other new lads that are coming again, just getting on with it. And yeah, there's just a good feel around the club again. And I think there's, We've got high expectations, but nothing too extreme.
00:10:28
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:10:29
Joey
Do you know what mean? I think if you spoke to Ben, I think Ben be quite happy mid-table. Do you know what I mean? This year, not near the bottom end, more in the middle.
00:10:34
Tom Evans
stuff.
00:10:37
Joey
I think even with the twos, because of all the twos, like I think we think we finished bottom last year. and But again, we're looking at more mid-table with the strength we've got in the team. i But yeah, no one needs a can.
00:10:49
Tom Evans
yeah
00:10:49
Joey
Yeah, I can't describe It's just a good feel. I think it's a bit of a fresh start, if that's the right word to use. i
00:10:56
Tom Evans
good stuff
00:10:56
Joey
New captains. Total new captaincy team, do you know what mean? Like Ben McGee's come from Runcorn.
00:10:59
Tom Evans
you
00:11:01
Joey
Me and Toddy have took over the twos. Just think, yeah, just that change has just helped a little bit.
00:11:07
Tom Evans
Excellent. Good stuff. Good to hear it. Well, long may that continue.
Lancashire's County Championship Struggles
00:11:11
Tom Evans
little bit further afield, um Lancashire back in Division 2 of the County Championship, four games in, um four draws in as well.
00:11:19
Tom Evans
I thought it was quite a dispiriting one, but the the most recent game against Gloucester, to be honest, because having put on 450 themselves, to then bowl for the best part of two days and take only eight wickets, it's sort
00:11:24
Joey
yeah
00:11:35
Tom Evans
it's it's difficult to see where the wins are going to come from at the moment, isn't it? with but ah ah At home in particular, they're not getting get any help from the pitch because Old Trafford has been a road for years.
00:11:44
Joey
Yeah, yeah
00:11:45
Tom Evans
And it's just difficult to see where the wickets going to come from, isn't it?
00:11:48
Joey
yeah. Yeah, I just don't get it. just You look at that talent in that team.
00:11:52
Tom Evans
Yeah, yeah.
00:11:53
Joey
who
00:11:53
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:11:54
Joey
And I just, yeah, I just don't get what what's going on. i Like Simon, I remember ah can't say surname, but Josh Bonaghan.
00:12:04
Tom Evans
um Yeah.
00:12:05
Joey
Yeah, yeah. Like to me, he should be pushing England. you know what I mean? Yeah.
00:12:10
Tom Evans
It's been very close in the past, I know that, but yeah, it's...
00:12:12
Joey
Yeah.
00:12:14
Tom Evans
but yeah it's a
00:12:15
Joey
At one point, Keaton Jennings was probably pushing it.
00:12:15
Tom Evans
is it
00:12:17
Joey
He's at the other end of his career, but he could have been pushing it at one point. I just don't know what's going on.
00:12:23
Tom Evans
Yeah, yeah. Definitely. They were talking about recalling Jennings for a tour of, I think it was the last tour Sri Lanka because he did so well against the spin in the subcontinent last time.
00:12:31
Joey
Yeah, yeah.
00:12:34
Tom Evans
But, you know, just, and Bohannon was sort of, for a while, the next cab off the rank, sort of under Joe Root and Chris Silverwood. Certainly, I think they've sort of looked for more more aggressive options since Baz McCollum and Ben Stokes have come in.
00:12:42
Joey
Yeah, yeah.
00:12:48
Tom Evans
But, you know, he's still very highly thought of and and rightly so with the the runs he's put in.
00:12:52
Joey
Yeah, it's just like you said, the ball in, it's just worrying.
00:12:52
Tom Evans
um
00:12:55
Joey
Yeah.
00:12:56
Tom Evans
It is slightly concerning. I mean, you know, a couple of the bowlers and a couple of the bowlers with Liverpool competition credentials and ended up digging them out of the hole in that third innings when Hartley and Bailey put on a decent partnership to sort of block most of the game out But um it's, you know, third innings in general can be very tricky, you know, even when you've put on a big score and the other side's overhauled it a bit and you sort of
00:13:03
Joey
Yeah.
00:13:08
Joey
Yeah.
00:13:17
Joey
Yeah,
00:13:18
Tom Evans
You can't win, but you can lose, if you know what I mean.
00:13:20
Joey
yeah.
00:13:21
Tom Evans
but That's always a very so a tricky position to find yourself in. But they i mean they got there in the end. it it's It's better than losing. But it is a <unk> I think they're finding it tougher than a lot of people thought they were going to.
00:13:33
Joey
Yeah, I just can't at the minute. can't see a win. I know it's early on in the season, but just, I can't. Yeah.
00:13:40
Tom Evans
Well, there's plenty of time for them to prove us wrong anyway.
00:13:43
Joey
Fingers crossed, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:13:46
Tom Evans
What do we know? Right. m With the absence of my selfish co-host, Jamie Bowman, um it's going to be probably bit of a shorter episode of this...
00:13:55
Joey
No worries.
00:13:55
Tom Evans
ah so I say this week, but um you know it's been a month since we recorded the last one. That's one thing. we I'm going to try and get more of these in the can now that now the season's actually started. We've got another guest lined up for next week, so watch
Guessing Historic Cricket Moments
00:14:09
Tom Evans
Right,
Dressing Room 101: Shower Debate
00:14:09
Tom Evans
it's over to you now, Joey, as a guest. you ah excuse but
00:14:11
Joey
um
00:14:13
Tom Evans
You get to choose your nominations for Dressing Room 101. Now, you only have me to convince. um this time. Other guests have two people to convince, but go on, what you got for us?
00:14:24
Joey
i've got five all right so starting with just club stand and stuff so my first one a lot of lads at whitefield i'll get this one is i hate people not getting a shower after the game so i want i don't know how to word if to put it in the 101 but people not showering um
00:14:26
Tom Evans
Five. Okay, yeah.
00:14:40
Tom Evans
Right.
00:14:47
Joey
i but particularly they play cricket all day normally in the sun it's been glorious and they go in and they put their clean clothes back on that they've had then they and stand in a bar with a pint like just get a quick shower and yeah
00:15:03
Tom Evans
I'll be honest, I've i've i've never been a ah a dressing room showerer myself. i just I just kind of think I'd rather shower in the comfort of my own home. if i'm If I'm staying for a drink, I'll i'll just i'll not get changed.
00:15:13
Joey
yeah yeah
00:15:15
Tom Evans
like I know what you mean about putting ah putting clean clothes back on when you're when when you're all s sweaty, but I'm just going my whites into the bar.
00:15:21
Joey
Yeah. I think it's more my pet peeve than anything. anything like one I played at Moorfield a few years. That's the club that I got brought up in. And shower time was probably everyone's favourite part of the game because that's where we had a laugh.
00:15:34
Tom Evans
Okay.
00:15:35
Joey
That's where you ripped each other. there you know what mean? If anything went wrong in the game, instead of having that, but i bit a bit of niggle after games sometimes where you could be sulking because you're batting nine, you should think you should be batting five and all that stuff.
00:15:37
Tom Evans
Okay.
00:15:45
Joey
To me, in the showers at Moorfield, that was the time to just... get it out in the open, but in a laugh, you'd rip each other apart about it and stuff. And as a group, all 11 of us would be in the shower. i Yeah.
00:15:58
Tom Evans
okay
00:15:58
Joey
So there's two parts.
00:15:59
Joey
it The cleanliness part, but also just the camaraderie. And and like we have we had all different shapes and sizes body-wise, you know I mean? But, yeah, just...
00:16:08
Tom Evans
the The camaraderie I get a bit more than kind of the clownliness because people are going to, you know, the end of the day, how much do you actually run when you're playing cricket?
00:16:12
Joey
Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:17
Tom Evans
And um and people, you know, people are going to get a show when you get home. And the camaraderie, I think, can you not get that from the from the dress like just being in the dressing room, in the bar with your teammates?
00:16:28
Tom Evans
Do you have to, um as you put it, get it out in the open?
00:16:31
Joey
Yeah, I think with the changing rooms, people get changed too quick in the straight out because some people might be getting a shower and some people might not be. And then in the bar, once there's a few beers down, and that's when the niggle even kicks in even more.
00:16:40
Tom Evans
yeah
00:16:44
Tom Evans
Right, okay. So it's sort of a a way of getting that all out of the way before all the drinks starts flowing.
00:16:49
Joey
but Yeah, a little punk. One water under the bridge. There you go.
00:16:53
Tom Evans
Hmm.
00:16:54
Joey
Literally, do you know what mean?
00:16:58
Tom Evans
I... thought
00:16:58
Joey
set
00:16:59
Joey
kind of two parts of it. The cleansiness part can get, I can kind of get away with, but that, having a laughing, and obviously, it's different, again, going to throw another, like, different genders, do you what mean? I'm not expecting one of the girls to come and get in showers with the lads, you know mean?
00:17:11
Joey
And, so, there's a lot it as well, we're not expecting that, but, yeah, I just think, like I said, I've played it more, I feel, since I was like five, and it was always, I wasn't getting a shower at five, by the way, just to point that out, I was an adult.
00:17:12
Tom Evans
Yeah, yeah. No, yeah.
00:17:24
Joey
But, yeah,
00:17:25
Tom Evans
This is about the second time. Go on.
00:17:28
Joey
Just throwing that one out there very quick.
00:17:29
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:17:30
Joey
But it was always just part of the game. Like, youve got you got the flags in, you got the stumps in, you did your game, and then everyone got in the shower together. absolutely
00:17:36
Tom Evans
yeah
00:17:37
Joey
It's more just my own personal opinion. And, i like, Whitefield now, there's probably only four or five us that get a shower after the game. And they always laugh.
00:17:45
Tom Evans
yeah
00:17:46
Joey
They always say, you're smelly. Like... like
00:17:48
Tom Evans
Yeah, yeah. i I can see how... Yeah, ah ah I'm not going to put it in dressing room 101, I think. I think it's up to...
00:17:55
Joey
here
00:17:56
Tom Evans
I can see how you might sort of want your teammates to sort of have that camaraderie, that kind of bonding, and you see it's important. But i think at the end of the day, it's got a bit it's got to be up to the individual, hasn't it? of the individual preference.
00:18:05
Joey
yeah but
00:18:07
Tom Evans
So I'm afraid um for your first one of five, it's...
00:18:15
Tom Evans
And that noise means no.
Indoor Nets Bouncer Ban
00:18:17
Tom Evans
um So go on, what's your second?
00:18:17
Joey
yeah right this one is bounces in indoor nets um
00:18:24
Tom Evans
Right, yeah, okay.
00:18:27
Joey
Everyone thinks they're rapid in the nets because you've got AstroTurf or you've got a rollout mats in some places you train in the winter.
00:18:29
Tom Evans
Okay.
00:18:35
Joey
Don't even have them mats. You're just on the sports hall. So you're getting lads who are bowling, bounces at you in the nets all winter. And then comes to the first game of the season and you've got a nice green wicket because nowhere in England is going have a road unless they've got really top level, do you what I mean, kicking ground.
00:18:52
Joey
And then first ball of the season, it hits the grass like a tennis ball, slows right up and get pulled for six.
00:18:52
Tom Evans
it say
00:18:58
Joey
Do you know what I mean?
00:19:00
Tom Evans
ah Pulled into that drainage ditch at Cartier.
00:19:02
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:19:02
Joey
cost a hands on the je Yeah,
00:19:04
Joey
it's that Because I just ball when I ball. try and ball. I ball full, even when I'm in the nets. ah probably I could probably ball bouncer myself in the nets because it's so bouncy. And I just think you've got your opening bowlers who don't ball many bounces, but then the nets, they're just giving it you because they think they're rapid.
00:19:13
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:19:19
Joey
You've all of a sudden turned into Steve Armisen and they think they can knock your head off.
00:19:22
Tom Evans
yeah
00:19:23
Joey
And then you put them on a wicket and you're like, what are you doing? and
00:19:27
Tom Evans
Yeah. it's It's a funny one. i think but my I can't remember exactly what the circumstances were. my My best season as an adult with the bat came after... the nets were in a different place to usual. It was it was just a school sports hall and they didn't want us actually like whacking a corky into the floor.
00:19:46
Tom Evans
they So they had mats for us to put down and the mats just did not play like the, like it's so it's almost like ah dedicated indoor net.
00:19:49
Joey
yeah
00:19:55
Tom Evans
It's almost like a slightly springy floor, isn't it?
00:19:58
Joey
no Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:19:58
Tom Evans
it It's designed to be bouncy, to replicate like a good a good wicket. But these these mats were quite soft and um the ball kept very low. But I think because of that, you know, people who went to a lot of nets were sort of a lot more already for ready for the season. And I think there's a general point there about, you know, um what you're actually practising for when you're in the nets.
00:20:21
Joey
Yeah.
00:20:21
Tom Evans
You know?
00:20:21
Joey
So, like, know the juniors in the winter day train, well, they did at Ray & Hill.
00:20:27
Tom Evans
don't know.
00:20:28
Joey
a And their match was similar to what you're saying. There wasn't bounce in it at all. So you were getting front foot and the ballers were, you know what mean? The ballers at the time work a bit harder to get someone out of it. i Where we trained at, what was it? Garston.
00:20:42
Joey
What was the school called in Garston? Can't remember.
00:20:45
Tom Evans
ah to necklace yeah yeah now um um um um I'm in agreement with this.
00:20:46
Joey
Yeah, yeah. And it was bouncy. pains Oh. It was.
00:20:56
Tom Evans
I think bowlers should know the limits and been practice for the actual game they're going to be playing and you know help help the batters practice for the the game they're to be playing as well. So for your winter nets bouncers, I'm going to go...
00:21:12
Tom Evans
Okay, so you are one for one after after two efforts.
00:21:13
Joey
Right, okay.
Scripted Sledging Critique
00:21:16
Tom Evans
Three to go, go
00:21:17
Joey
So this one, I'm going to try and word it right, but poor sledging, i.e. scripted sledging.
00:21:25
Tom Evans
Okay, yeah.
00:21:26
Joey
but I love sledging. I love that banter on the pitch. Like when I'm batting, if someone's giving it to me, i I love it. I thrive off it. It keeps me going. you know what mean? Even when I'm fielding and at first lip I'm not bowling, I love chatting to the batsmen. It's not always sledging.
00:21:40
Joey
It's just genuine. Bubbles, that's the only way to describe it.
00:21:43
Tom Evans
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:45
Joey
It's the scripted ones that have already been used and they're used over and over, like a natural sledge. There's nothing better than natural sledge. So Flintoff against Tino Best, do you I mean? Watch the wind.
00:21:55
Tom Evans
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:56
Joey
That wasn't scripted, but you still, you hear people using that now. Like, I don't know, he's got more leaves than Delamere Forest and he's, it's,
00:22:01
Tom Evans
then it's been done. it's Yeah.
00:22:07
Tom Evans
but more More edges than a box of Lego. I got one.
00:22:10
Joey
yeah.
00:22:11
Tom Evans
I didn't really understand that one because
00:22:13
Joey
No, there's someone about NVIDIA, someone about NVIDIA for something like that as well.
00:22:14
Tom Evans
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:17
Joey
I can't, yeah. Like, more, he's got more lives than a cat, all that stuff. And, like, it's the scripted, it's the typical scripted stuff. It frustrates me. I think I get more, I'd rather someone said to me, you're fat and you're rubbish, you're bad, than someone scripted.
00:22:32
Joey
A scripted sledge to me.
00:22:33
Tom Evans
yeah
00:22:34
Joey
Because I'd take that and go, you're probably right. Do you what mean?
00:22:37
Tom Evans
Yeah, yeah. I was very seldom spent long enough at the crease to really get a conversation going. But when I have, like, it's... it i'm I'm with you. It does help. Like, um I think it helps you concentrate.
00:22:49
Joey
Yeah, it does.
00:22:49
Tom Evans
think it helps some people concentrate.
00:22:51
Joey
Yeah, yeah. And like, I try to think of yours.
00:22:53
Tom Evans
Helps you relax, maybe.
00:22:55
Joey
like
00:22:56
Tom Evans
There's a particular category of this, which for obvious reasons has only come about in the last few years. And it's one that you get from spectators as well. i quite often hear this when I'm at a game covering it. And it's when there's an appeal and it gets turned down and a supporter of the team, of the bowling team says, oh, best send it to VAR.
00:23:17
Joey
Oh, yeah, yeah
00:23:17
Tom Evans
out Right. Cricket has a review system which is older than VAR, which works better than VAR, and which already has its own little three-letter acronym.
00:23:24
Joey
yeah. Yeah.
00:23:30
Joey
Yeah.
00:23:30
Tom Evans
Like, yeah, and and um the captain's challenge thing, and it works.
00:23:31
Joey
And the technology far superior than VAR. Yeah.
00:23:35
Tom Evans
You know, don't don't don use VAR in sledging.
00:23:40
Joey
Yeah.
00:23:40
Tom Evans
call Call it DRS. It's fine. You know.
00:23:42
Joey
Yeah, yeah. I think that comes down to Speckies well, though.
00:23:43
Tom Evans
ah
00:23:44
Joey
It's not really a sledge, but, like, where you always get there, oh, who's winning? You know, like, people don't really know cricket.
00:23:50
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:23:51
Joey
Like, didn't get into Moorfield. We had rugby lads and football lads that'd be there the Saturday, and I'd be fielding somewhere on the Bounds unit.
00:23:55
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:23:56
Joey
It's oh, you're winning? I can't tell you. Yeah.
00:23:59
Tom Evans
No, nobody's winning. That's not how this game works.
00:24:02
Joey
not 1-0. It's not 12-0. We're not going to get a penalty on a drop goal in a minute.
00:24:04
Tom Evans
and
00:24:06
Joey
I can't tell you. and then but got
00:24:09
Tom Evans
i like um ah um I've heard enough on this one. I think I'm happy to say...
00:24:18
Tom Evans
So ah scripted sledges join um bowlers, bowling bouncers in winter nets in dressing room 101. So got another one for us?
00:24:30
Joey
You can set me up a bit there. If anyone's listening to this now and I play him, I'm going but wasn
00:24:35
Tom Evans
um but Don't worry, Joey. No one listens to this. Go on.
00:24:38
Joey
to get it, aren't I?
00:24:40
Tom Evans
I've seen the figures.
00:24:42
Joey
Right. So, next one.
Black Socks with Cricket Whites
00:24:45
Joey
Black socks with whites. Yeah.
00:24:53
Tom Evans
That's fine. It's not as if you can't get white socks from somewhere. Yeah.
00:24:56
Joey
Yeah, I like you just went with that one then.
00:24:57
Tom Evans
yeah but but not Nothing else to say. Go on, number number five.
Debating The Hundred's Necessity
00:25:02
Tom Evans
Okay.
00:25:02
Joey
Right, so this is more broader cricket, and I might get some feedback off this one, but I want the 100 in 101.
00:25:13
Tom Evans
Okay.
00:25:15
Joey
I don't feel like it's needed. I get the publicity BBC have been giving it, but why can't the BBC just support the T20 Blast? We've got a format already that was there.
00:25:26
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:25:27
Joey
and
00:25:29
Joey
So I used to think, again, this is probably more personal thing with me. I used to love the one-day cups. I used to love going to Old Trafford on a day-night match. Do you what I mean? the did The all one day cup before it just ended up being the reserves like it is now because the hundreds on at the same time. like They had formats there to promote cricket.
00:25:48
Joey
They had the T20 blast and the one day cup. I remember going Lancashire when I was a kid and they still had the whole festival feel around the ground. You could go in the training centre and you used Lancashire coaches in the training centre doing drills with you.
00:25:57
Tom Evans
yeah
00:26:01
Joey
They had the big inflatable bowling nets and how fast you could bowl. They had the food trucks, they had the beer trucks. We had it, and i didn't I just don't think we needed the 100. Wherever this money's come from the 100, it could have gone.
00:26:15
Tom Evans
yeah
00:26:15
Joey
i said I'm not that i'm not that incident under not not understanding where the 100 money's come from, if it's the ECB or whatever, but that money could have gone into our T20 Blast, which is the original T20, and we should be pushing it more, and the one-day cup.
00:26:29
Joey
hey And I'm not one of these who's into this whole decline of the England cricket one-day team because the one-day cup's not getting used because you get enough time to boo that. Do you know what mean? I don't think... I'm not pushing this on an international basis.
00:26:40
Joey
Couldn't care less. you know what I mean? But...
00:26:43
Tom Evans
this what you want to say domestically?
00:26:45
Joey
Yeah, like... i used to Like Carl Hooper at Lancashire and Malloy. you know what I mean? Watching them in the one-day cup. And I always remember when you had the fireworks, they had the fire going up, they had a DJ, they had it all.
00:26:51
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:26:57
Joey
And remember um um going to one day one last year and I didn't stay.
00:26:58
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:27:01
Joey
I think I watched the first inning and went because I love cricket, but you also go for the atmosphere. you know what I mean?
00:27:07
Tom Evans
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:10
Joey
Yeah.
00:27:11
Tom Evans
Okay, this this isn't... I always end up playing devil's advocate here whenever the 100 comes up because a lot of the problems people have with it are 100% correct. There was no need for an extra format.
00:27:25
Tom Evans
There was no need to... Well, there's no need to shave one ball off each over in a
00:27:30
Joey
Yeah.
00:27:31
Tom Evans
was that that That's basically all they've done with the format. um I can see the logic of making the teams based on cities because that's how it works so well in India and in Australia and in the other franchise leagues.
00:27:43
Joey
Yeah,
00:27:46
Tom Evans
But... ah most crip most domestic cricket followers, the existing ones certainly going to be put off by that because it's not Lancashire anymore, it's the Manchester Originals.
00:27:56
Joey
yeah. yeah
00:27:56
Tom Evans
And it's you know it's different at the end of the day. and
00:27:59
Joey
yeah
00:27:59
Tom Evans
It's sort of half the same and half different and it's ah it's a really confusing situation for us.
00:28:03
Joey
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't even start Manchester Originals in the 100. Yeah,
00:28:08
Tom Evans
people from That's the other thing, like people from Liverpool won't want to cheer for a team called Manchester end the day.
00:28:13
Joey
yeah. Well, I'm a Waller.
00:28:13
Tom Evans
but It's not a football thing, it's it's a
00:28:14
Joey
I'm a Waller. It doesn't really matter to me. Yeah.
00:28:17
Tom Evans
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:17
Joey
Yeah. na
00:28:18
Tom Evans
But, you know, I mean, teams in Yorkshire, they haven't gone with the Leeds superchargers because i'm I'm from Yorkshire and everybody from Yorkshire who isn't from Leeds absolutely hates Leeds.
00:28:25
Joey
yeah
00:28:31
Joey
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:31
Tom Evans
They can't stand them.
00:28:33
Joey
Yeah,
00:28:33
Tom Evans
They wouldn't want to identify with a team with the name of a city who you've you know you've got this local rivalry with. And I don't know if in Australia, for example, which has obviously got very few...
00:28:40
Joey
yeah. Yeah,
00:28:45
Tom Evans
big cities and the kind of the more sort of more sort of centralized in in the big cities that way.
00:28:46
Joey
yeah.
00:28:50
Tom Evans
So it's it I don't think England is the right place for the city best thing. But at the same time, they wanted to increase the average quality of the teams.
00:29:00
Joey
Yeah.
00:29:01
Tom Evans
um from the 18 counties. They don't just want to leave 10 of the counties out completely.
00:29:06
Joey
Yeah.
00:29:06
Tom Evans
So they've had to sort of try so something new starting from scratch. I think it's an example of where you can ah you can see why they've done every individual decision on the way, but not the not the ultimate outcome.
00:29:20
Tom Evans
um
00:29:20
Joey
yeah On this, really quick, I want to go like different direction. Can you ever remember zone cricket that was out for a little bit?
00:29:24
Tom Evans
Go on.
00:29:27
Tom Evans
Zone cricket.
00:29:29
Joey
Yeah, I've not made this one.
00:29:29
Tom Evans
No.
00:29:31
Joey
people, whoever's listening, if you want a message, I've mentioned it so many people they look at me. They had a zone, so mid-wicket and cover, and then they had a zone either side of the stump, so mid-on, mid-off.
00:29:45
Tom Evans
Are you just thinking of about that test match game on the tabletop where you got the bowler to do that and then you had have to swing the...
00:29:45
Joey
If you... Yeah.
00:29:49
Joey
Yeah. because Because I remember watching it and we used to play, like when we were kids, before we started playing senior cricket, there was a bit of the back of the moor field and it had a couple of trees, like there was some trees and we used to make the trees the zones.
00:30:03
Joey
So we got the idea, it wasn't we didn't make this up, we got the idea from somewhere and if you hit it in that zone, it was double your score.
00:30:03
Tom Evans
Okay.
00:30:09
Joey
So if you hit it that zone, it was eight. I think it was pre, just before the T20 blast was big, because I was probably only about 11 or 12, so that was 20-odd years ago.
00:30:13
Tom Evans
Right
00:30:18
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:30:22
Joey
i But I've mentioned so many people, and they look at me, they've got five heads, and I've even looked on Google, and there's something about it, but nothing really to say it happened.
00:30:30
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:30:32
Joey
but ah And I spoke to my cousin, and my cousin was like, no, there definitely was a thing, because that's why we started playing. That's why we started playing it at the back the more field.
00:30:41
Tom Evans
Yeah. i
00:30:44
Tom Evans
Okay. it's It's not something that ever crossed my path.
00:30:46
Joey
Yeah.
00:30:47
Tom Evans
i foot
00:30:47
Joey
I'm going to have to keep digging. I might have to put it in.
00:30:49
Tom Evans
Yeah, that sounds fascinating, though.
00:30:51
Joey
Yeah. I'll watch a hundred game and I'll tweet and ask him.
00:30:55
Tom Evans
It sounds a bit like the others way they play indoor cricket, where you know you have to you get different runs based on which wall you hit.
00:31:02
Joey
yeah the walls, yeah.
00:31:03
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:31:04
Joey
Yeah. But yeah, back on 100, I do get the calibre of players playing for them teams. A far superior than what you'd get. But...
00:31:14
Tom Evans
Well, and um on on paper. Yeah.
00:31:17
Joey
On paper. Yeah, yeah, on paper. but
00:31:18
Tom Evans
you you often don't get that thrill of discovering someone, which you quite often get in the blast as well.
00:31:19
Joey
Yeah,
00:31:22
Tom Evans
So,
00:31:23
Joey
yeah. Yeah. and
00:31:25
Tom Evans
and you know, the obvious, I mean, the hundred percent straight down the line, not playing devil's advocate, the hundred has been brilliant for women's cricket in particular, um, having the double headers.
00:31:37
Joey
yeah i Yeah, that's what we're doing.
00:31:38
Tom Evans
Um, so again, playing at the main grounds on the same day as, as the men, sort of the parity in that respect. Um,
00:31:46
Joey
Yeah. ah Yeah, that's...
00:31:47
Tom Evans
if we got if you you know If we got rid of it, we'd have to do something to compensate for that.
00:31:48
Joey
Yeah.
00:31:51
Tom Evans
you know i mean and know i know um a lot of counties in Lancashire are doing a double-header T20 for the women, but which is a fantastic idea.
00:31:53
Joey
Yeah, can we...
00:31:58
Joey
ri Yeah, is, yeah.
00:32:02
Tom Evans
um It took the 100 sort of by accident because it was the first year was the post-COVID year, wasn't it? 21.
00:32:10
Joey
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:11
Tom Evans
So rather than having two biosecure venues, they They just had both games and at the same venue.
00:32:17
Tom Evans
um So it stumbled upon it by accident.
00:32:17
Joey
Yeah.
00:32:17
Joey
Oh, 100%.
00:32:18
Tom Evans
But that that's far, in a way, the best innovation to come out of it, in my opinion.
00:32:23
Joey
Yeah, so, yeah. I know what you're going to say. We're not going to put it in, are we?
00:32:26
Tom Evans
I don't know. Part it doesn't want to because it's such a...
00:32:34
Tom Evans
You know what?
00:32:37
Tom Evans
this yeah you've you You've made your case, and provided that there's some kind of, um you know, they keep with the doubleheaders to give the women's teams equal equal footing, then them I'm happy to happy to see the back of the the competition itself.
00:32:43
Joey
Yes. fun
00:32:52
Joey
and I
00:32:54
Tom Evans
Good stuff.
Cricket Trivia and Closing
00:32:55
Tom Evans
Well, last of all, normally called Stump the Hosts, but Stump the Host on this occasion, singular. I am on my own because I'm selfish, selfish Jamie. Go on, what have you got for me?
00:33:06
Joey
like So kind I've kind of got two little bits. i
00:33:09
Tom Evans
Okay.
00:33:10
Joey
There's two kind of trivia questions. One's a bit of a game for you, but the other way around. and But the first question, you might get this, because I was like, messaged and said I'm struggling, because I can imagine.
00:33:22
Joey
It's about zone cricket.
00:33:25
Joey
and
00:33:26
Tom Evans
No, is it? No.
00:33:28
Joey
Yeah. So basically, yeah, it was a it's about the timeless test match, if you've ever heard of it.
00:33:29
Tom Evans
was asking for articles to whether that existed, so go on.
00:33:35
Tom Evans
Yeah, yeah, okay. um
00:33:38
Tom Evans
The one in South Africa, the famous one.
00:33:38
Joey
Yeah.
00:33:40
Joey
Yeah.
00:33:41
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:33:41
Joey
i mean How many days and why did it end?
00:33:44
Tom Evans
Well, it ended because England had to get the boat.
00:33:46
Joey
Yeah,
00:33:47
Tom Evans
um They were about to chase down sort of what would be ah massive record, still 650-odd, was
00:33:55
Joey
it was a lot, yeah.
00:33:56
Tom Evans
I'm going to say eight days.
00:34:00
Joey
One off.
00:34:01
Tom Evans
Nine.
00:34:02
Joey
Yeah, nine, yeah.
00:34:03
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:34:03
Joey
Yeah. that's what I mean. I know you like little facts and stuff, so we're struggling with this.
00:34:07
Tom Evans
Ah.
00:34:10
Joey
But no, the other guy, I just ah just picked, can't remember what got. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. So I've got 10 nicknames of cricketers and just named the cricketer.
00:34:20
Tom Evans
OK.
00:34:23
Tom Evans
All right. Go on then.
00:34:24
Joey
um So the first one's Boom Boom.
00:34:27
Tom Evans
Boom, boom.
00:34:28
Joey
Yeah.
00:34:29
Tom Evans
Shida 3D.
00:34:30
Joey
Yeah. Salt on Swing.
00:34:33
Tom Evans
i <unk> Probably a few people have been called this. um
00:34:43
Joey
think of the original, yeah.
00:34:43
Tom Evans
Springbok.
00:34:44
Joey
originally ah a
00:34:45
Tom Evans
yeah Gosh. Give me a country.
00:34:51
Joey
Pakistan.
00:34:55
Tom Evans
Wasim Akram?
00:34:56
Joey
Yeah.
00:34:57
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:34:57
Joey
Yeah.
00:34:58
Tom Evans
but
00:34:58
Joey
and So the next one's The Sherman Eater.
00:35:02
Tom Evans
Well, that was what Shane Warne called um Ian Bell, wasn't it?
00:35:06
Joey
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:06
Tom Evans
He was ambled with the lights off my head.
00:35:07
Joey
This one's quite easy because it's a play on the surname.
00:35:08
Tom Evans
um
00:35:11
Joey
Chanda Wall.
00:35:13
Tom Evans
Shifnir and Chandapal.
00:35:15
Joey
And then we've got... Yeah. Then we've got The Wall.
00:35:19
Tom Evans
Rahul Dravid.
00:35:21
Joey
Right. Castro.
00:35:24
Tom Evans
Castro.
00:35:25
Joey
Yeah.
00:35:26
Tom Evans
I've never heard this, but Fidel Edwards.
00:35:29
Joey
Yeah, well done. Yeah, yeah
00:35:30
Tom Evans
okay
00:35:31
Joey
Bit of an educated... Yeah.
00:35:34
Tom Evans
I'd get a guess, yeah.
00:35:36
Joey
i Universe boss.
00:35:38
Tom Evans
ah Chris Gale. I think he chose one himself.
00:35:40
Joey
i Yeah. He just started calling it himself, didn't he?
00:35:44
Tom Evans
and
00:35:47
Joey
Don't know why this one's this one, but scooter.
00:35:51
Tom Evans
Scooter.
00:35:52
Joey
Yeah.
00:35:53
Tom Evans
um
00:35:58
Tom Evans
I don't know it, so let me try No.
00:36:03
Tom Evans
No, go on.
00:36:05
Joey
South African, batsman, doesn't play anymore.
00:36:08
Tom Evans
South African batter.
00:36:11
Tom Evans
Jack Callis. Graham Smith.
00:36:12
Joey
Well, are you still open in the batting for a bit with Graeme Smith?
00:36:16
Tom Evans
ah Gary Kirsten. um
00:36:19
Joey
No.
00:36:20
Tom Evans
Herschel Gibbs.
00:36:21
Joey
Marshall Gibbs.
00:36:22
Tom Evans
Herschel Gibbs is known as Scooter.
00:36:23
Joey
I have no idea why. I found it before. was like, what? I couldn't find the reason why.
00:36:27
Tom Evans
You learn something new every day, and um today it was that Herschel Gibbs is known as Scooter.
00:36:29
Joey
Yeah.
00:36:32
Joey
Yeah.
00:36:32
Tom Evans
I hope that's educated.
00:36:33
Joey
Two more.
00:36:33
Tom Evans
Some of the listeners as well.
00:36:35
Joey
Yeah, two more. Baby Boycott.
00:36:38
Tom Evans
Baby Boycott. I mean, we're talking Hassib Hamid here, because he got labeled that, didn't he?
00:36:42
Joey
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:45
Tom Evans
Okay.
00:36:45
Joey
And then the last one, and this one makes me giggle. This is the this are the best play on words. So, Froth.
00:36:52
Tom Evans
Froth.
00:36:53
Joey
Yeah.
00:36:54
Tom Evans
ah f r o t h Like like on the head of a pint.
00:36:55
Joey
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:37:01
Tom Evans
Now, go on.
00:37:02
Joey
Michael Beer, who played Australia.
00:37:04
Tom Evans
Michael B.S., the Aussie left-hand spinner.
00:37:06
Joey
Yeah.
00:37:06
Tom Evans
Yeah. Ah, okay. Good.
00:37:09
Joey
For everyone. I love that. Just that play on words. Like someone saying his name and going, I'm going call you Froth.
00:37:11
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:37:15
Tom Evans
Yeah, it's sort of related to the unoriginal sledges, this, isn't it?
00:37:19
Tom Evans
You know, you you like a bit of a of originality in your nickname.
00:37:19
Joey
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:22
Joey
Yeah, because they could have called him Pint or anything like something. Pint or just this.
00:37:25
Tom Evans
Yeah, or Barry, or, in being Australian, Bero.
00:37:25
Joey
in
00:37:28
Joey
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:29
Tom Evans
Yeah.
00:37:30
Joey
But already gone with froth. So, yeah, i like that. That was my favourite one.
00:37:33
Tom Evans
Good stuff. um Yeah, enjoyed that. Thank very much for your time. um Yeah, and thank you for listening. Who have you got at the weekend, Joey?
00:37:43
Joey
We've got all our Caldy at home.
00:37:46
Tom Evans
Right.
00:37:47
Tom Evans
Okay.
00:37:47
Joey
I'm unavailable again.
00:37:48
Joey
But, yeah, we've got Caldy at home.
00:37:50
Tom Evans
Well, go well next time you are available. um Yeah, and thank you for listening, everybody. Like I say, um got a couple more of these lined up over the next couple of weeks. So hope to be recording more regularly in the in the near future. And um yeah, thanks again for listening.
00:38:05
Tom Evans
Take care. Bye-bye.