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1 - Welcome to Nightmare on Main Street/Creepy Disney Media Moments
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It's the inaugural episode of Nightmare on Main Street! Join us for spooky news, attraction births and deaths, and Dan and Michelle's top five creepy/unsettling Disney media moments (along with some ramblings about churros and gluten exorcisms).
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The.
Introduction to 'Nightmare on Main Street'
00:00:25
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Welcome to Nightmare on Main Street, where it's Halloween every day and the pumpkin rates are always lit. This is our very first episode. So hello, everybody out there listening. So my name is Dan and I've got my co-host with me. I'm Michelle.
00:00:42
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We're both huge Disney fans, um have been most of our lives. For example, you know, I went for the first time when I was seven, it absolutely blew my mind. After I got back, I spent a weird amount of time for a seven year old reading travel guides. And then I wrote my own travel guide on a word processor in the late nineties and used like $800 of my dad's color ink to print it. So he's still paying that back, but yeah.
00:01:12
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I love that story. Yeah. It's one of my favorites. So I grew up going to Disney. I've been going since I was a toddler and I used to make the drive from Pennsylvania to Florida every year to go to Disney world. And then I moved closer. I moved to Georgia and I was suddenly a short seven hour drive away. So we started going every month. And ever since then I have been a proud Disney adult.
00:01:41
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That's amazing. That's an intense drive. I was. It was, it was, but we wouldn't miss it every year. And we'd go in August. Hottest, hottest time to go. I don't know why.
00:01:55
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That is nuts. Yeah, that is one of the worst times to go. But no time is the worst time.
Spooky Disney Podcast Themes
00:02:00
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We all love being at Disney. But just a little bit about ourselves. I'm sure you'll get to know us as you listen and come along with us on this journey. Is that the word? Is that the right word? Journey podcast journey. All right. Yeah. And you'll also notice um based on the logo and the
00:02:25
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Spooky intro that this is a podcast for Disney fans, Disney park fans specifically. Um, and it has a little bit of a spooky vibe. A lot of this is going to be spooky. Not all of it. We have some segments coming up in later episodes, not so spooky, but it's going to be.
00:02:43
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What's the word? Everything's going to have a slight veneer of pumpkin spice. So like I think that's the proper way to say it. that's OK, so let's just go ahead and get started.
Exclusive Disney Pin Events
00:02:59
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This is not going to be a news podcast because there are a lot of those out there. ah Really good, really informative. But there are if there are a few news stories that pique our interest, maybe go along with our theme, we're going to mention them.
00:03:15
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And there are three that I thought would be really interesting that I want to bring up. Number one, I'm not certain how many of you guys out there are familiar with the Disney merchandise events page. It's this tiny little hidden page off in the vast expanse of you know just all the Disney web pages that pop up. But it's it's kind of hidden. It's not easy to get to.
00:03:40
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but they have an event going on September 14th called Disney After Dark and it is a one day only Disney villain nighttime spooky themed pen event. It's not always a spooky theme, this year it is, but it's something that I really enjoy and it's one of those Disney events that have started using the dreaded random queue.
00:04:07
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Yeah. So I was put into a random queue today. Luckily we were able to get in and get our tickets. There were different packages and I'm not going to say too much more about the pen event. I I'm going on the 14th and I think I'll do a segment on what I did there, what pens I found. It's a really, really cool event. You can get some really, really rare pens. So I know you have not been to a pen event, Michelle.
00:04:34
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I had never even heard of these pin events until you told me about it. So I would like to go next year. I did not get in this year, but hopefully next year. Yeah, it's really niche and there's not many things left in Disney park life that are niche.
00:04:51
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Yes, yeah, it's hard to hide something from me and they did, so. Yes, yes, me too. I mean, i which you know I found this one eventually, but I was unable to get in last year because it sells out so quickly. It's fairly small by Disney standards, um maybe only 2,000, 3,000 people, which is small by Disney standards. Where do they have the event?
00:05:19
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They used to have it at Epcot in the festival pavilion. OK. But the last two years, they've had it in the Coronado Springs Resort in one of the conference rooms. OK. So I don't know what to expect with that, but it should be a rollicking good time. We'll see. I love that it's spooky themed.
00:05:40
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Yes, I pulled some really rare pins a few years ago. So I'm excited to see what I come up with. OK, next bit of news.
Disney Dining Experiences and Updates
00:05:51
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The Beast is meeting guests again at Be Our Guest. Boy, that was a redundant sentence. and There's going to be lots of those folks. But the Beast is back in his study, which is really cool. It's very exciting. I know. I used to love to go to lunch there when they used to do the lunch. Did you ever do that?
00:06:10
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Yes, no, absolutely. When they used to actually do, you know you could actually order off a fairly sprawling menu. Now it's all prefixed, but yeah. And then go meet the beast. And that was that was a really cool experience. And now it's the prefix, but I'm glad that he's back. That's exciting.
00:06:28
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Absolutely. i There was nothing better than going and eating in the West Wing and then meandering over and meeting the big guy in his study. Really fun. Just a nice touch to have him there. Yeah. So very glad he's back. Looking forward to seeing him.
00:06:47
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Third bit of news, really, really excited about this one. So right in time for Halloween, they brought an Ichabod crane projection and they they've put him in a window in Liberty Square, which I think is very, very fitting. Ichabod is going to be you're going to find him in that top right window of the ye olde Christmas shop with an e shop.
00:07:11
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which already had the neat little Ichabod reference. There's a sign that looks like a book that says, music and voice lessons by appointment only, Ichabod Crane instructor. So I always thought that was a nice touch, but now he's in the window. That's perfect, they put him there.
00:07:28
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I know. Initially, I thought he was going to be in the same window where great moments in history with the Muppets. That's where that show was. Do they still have Muppets over there or that's gone? Not to my knowledge. Our IP, I think the Muppets are in memoriam.
00:07:48
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This is a conversation for another day, but I'm going to mention it here just because it's going to be something I probably rant about a bit on this podcast, even though it's supposed to be spooky. But Disney really under utilizes the Muppets and it needs to change.
00:08:04
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Preach, yes. ASAP, anyway. Redo their movie. Ichabod Crane. Wait, what? I said redo their movie. Redo, I know, please. Please redo it, yes. Okay, so the Ichabod projection lasts ah about a minute and a half, and it runs every five minutes after sunset, so if you want to see it, you're gonna see it.
00:08:30
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You're gonna see him in the window. He's gonna light his candle. He's gonna blow out the candle. He's gonna read. He's gonna drink tea. Now that I'm describing it, doesn't really sound all the exciting, but... But it's a big deal. It is a huge deal if you're a spooky Disney fan like we are. So welcome to Liberty Square, Ichabod. Glad you're here.
Disney Attractions and Memories
00:08:54
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Speaking of RIP to the Muppets, let's do a little in memoriam. This one just happened. So we're going to do a little segment, maybe every show. And we're going to do an in memoriam for maybe a ride that has passed on to the great beyond. It's no longer with us or a concept or a service. And then after that, we're going to follow it up Michelle's going to take you through a ride birthday. So a little bit of birth, a little bit of death, the circle of life. So first I'm going to take my hat off for this. I think it's respectful to take, take my hat off for the dead. I am wearing a hat. I'm not sure if this will be a video podcast. It probably won't, but I'm taking off my hat out of respect.
00:09:39
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for the dead, yes. Genie Plus, we barely knew you. Its death date was today, July 23rd. It left its mortal coil. Genie Plus is reincarnating, or if you're a Doctor Who fan, regenerating into Lightning Lane multi-pass, which sounds pretty cool.
00:10:08
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It seems like it's like the old fast pass plus where you could kind of choose your day. Is that your understanding? Yeah. Yeah. You can kind of plan ahead where it's genie plus you had to do it day of, right? Yes. Day of. And I believe you could only pick one. This shows how much I did Disney.
00:10:30
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Disney Plus, wow. This shows how much I did Genie Plus. and I believe, yeah. I believe you could only choose one thing at a time and then. That's right, you had to finish and then. Every two or three hours you could choose a new ride. Okay.
00:10:50
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you will have to pay for the reincarnation of genie plus. That part has not been burned away in the reincarnation process. So it's still, it's still pay. What's the word? I don't know. Anyway, it's still, it still costs money. There we go. But genie plus, I actually put my hat back on while I was still doing my in memoriam. That's so disrespectful. I've got to get better at this.
00:11:18
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Did you even did you even respect genie plus? No, actually, now that you say that, not at all. I miss fast pass. Those were the good old days. Yes. The fast pass when you could run from machine to machine. I love that.
00:11:38
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That was so fun. Even, yeah, you could still do the machines. Even without, I mean, I really liked the paper fast passes because yeah I'm just weird and nostalgic, but you could even, I even liked the kiosk for you could just, you know, digitally choose all your rides for the day. It was so fun. That was cool too. I liked that. And even when you could only pick three for free, I still, still loved it.
00:12:02
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That's true. Yeah, it was really fun. um It added something to the trip. I am not really a planner by nature, but when it comes to Disney, yeah, I'm i'm quite meticulous, so I always enjoyed planning.
00:12:15
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I'm the same way I'll have, or I used to have fast passes, meals, everything planned for the whole day. But like you said, not a planner at all. We're both very type B. Okay, so next we're going to go to our ride birthday.
Gluten-Free Disney Eats
00:12:31
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So circle of life, we have a birth. It was the Tower of Terror.
00:12:35
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on July 22nd, 1994. So Tower of Terror is still kicking in all of its glory, the same as it was in 1994. Happy birthday, Tower of Terror. I did see for its birthday, was it was a nice, what is it, 30 years old? Yeah, it is, wow. Yeah, wow. I'm still older than you, Tower of Terror.
00:13:04
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I saw as a 30th birthday present, they had refreshed the burn slash blast marks around the elevator that's part of the lore. Yeah, it was struck by lightning on that Halloween night and they have brand new refreshed, but also decrepit looking by design blast marks around the elevator doors. That's a nice touch, I love.
00:13:31
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the Disney attention to detail, as I'm sure all of you listening do. It's one of the many, many things that keeps us coming back and paying lots of money year after year after year. So happy birthday, Tower of Terror. Happy birthday. We're all happy you came into the world, a little bouncing bundle of Tower Joy.
00:14:00
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Oh, brother, no brother. OK, so next segment. Is the gluten exorcism. I love that title. So I have celiac disease. So this one's for all of you out there who are plagued with food allergies. I personally have to do a gluten exorcism at every meal. And if I don't, my body will do it for me. So we're going to talk about a classic Disney snack today.
00:14:29
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And that's the churro. And as most people with celiac disease or any kind of gluten sensitivity know, this is a rare find. So there are two places that you can get the churro.
00:14:42
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in Disney World. So the first place is at Nomad Lounge in Animal Kingdom. One of the things that adds to Animal Kingdom being one of my favorite parks, the gluten-free churro. And I love Nomad Lounge. The atmosphere is great and it's perfect menu. And then also the Three Bridges at Coronado Springs has a great gluten-free churro too. And if you've never been to Three Bridges, have you been, Dan?
00:15:12
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No. At Coronado Springs. I have not. Favorite restaurant. Oh, I'll be there for the Penn event. You must go to Three Bridges. I'll check it out. So good. They have an awesome signature burger, and then they have a sangria flight that is amazing. They give you four tasting sangrias, and I drank them all by myself, which was
00:15:40
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Not the best decision that I've made, but it was a fun night, so I would recommend that. Oh, I love drinking at Disney. There's nothing like it. I just had an idea for a future segment. Best rides to go on with a little bit of drink in you. I love that. Yes, I can come up with three right off right off the dome.
00:16:06
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Oh, me too. We're going to we're going to we're going to play our cards close to the chest here. We're not going to say anything, but that'll be a coming event. does it that Oh, that's going to be fun. I was not aware. So are all the churros on Disney property gluten friendly or no? No.
00:16:27
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The park ones are not got just in those two locations. They make them gluten gluten friendly. So do not go eat a churro in the parks. If you are gluten free, you will have a bad day. but You do not have our permission to do that. Listeners, I did not recommend that. Please don't ah because you think about a churro. It seems like the least gluten friendly thing on the planet.
00:16:53
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Yes, fried dough. Right, right. It's like a pizza crust with ridges that you've like dunked in cinnamon sugar. You know, that's not being fair
Unusual Disney Churros
00:17:04
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to the churro. That was a really just janky description, but not bad.
00:17:09
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I did. I did. Well, you know, churros aren't as much of a thing. Oh, by the way, we are more so based in Walt Disney World. We may talk about Disneyland here and there, but I was going to say churros seem to be. It's my understanding that they're more of a thing in Disneyland. Big thing in Disneyland, like fresh churros. Yeah.
00:17:34
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Yeah, when I was out there, I saw strange unspeakable things done to churros. I don't know what you're doing, Disneyland. I've seen some weird adaptations of the churro.
00:17:47
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yeah I just want a classic, classic fried pizza dough dunked in cinnamon sugar. yeah I saw one in Disneyland for Oogie Boogie Bash that was dunked in, I believe it was green apple icing with some sort of reduction. so Some fancy chef was back there reducing things.
00:18:09
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putting it on churros and they topped it off with gummy worms and some sort of something that looked like dice. I think it was edible. Anyway. Did you taste it? No. Okay. didn't apply No, I-eyed it from afar. Didn't get too close. Finally hated it.
00:18:32
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I just wondered you know what sort of other unspeakable things they're doing to churros there. I love Disneyland, by the way. I just, I don't know what they're what they're doing over there with the churros. Anyway. Parks, just their churros. Yes, great parks. I was about to say something about Disneyland that would get me in trouble with the Disney World crowd. Uh-oh. So I'm not gonna say it.
00:18:56
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Uh-oh, think of think of our audience here. I know, I know. Unpopular opinions, say that one. Oh, yeah, that's a whole thing. We'll talk about that in a minute. Great info about gluten friendly options. I learned something today for sure. So I, you know, I would have started being like, hey, apparently all churros are gluten. Anyway, gluten free. So I would have probably. Caused everybody.
00:19:24
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caused the gluten to be exercised for many bodies that day. Sounds like a gross process. Oh, it's yeah. I won't go into detail.
00:19:36
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ah Okay, so interestingly enough, we are going to do a segment, not today, because we don't want to alienate our listeners just yet.
Controversial Disney Opinions
00:19:46
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Maybe we already have. not yets It's coming. We're going to do a segment called Unpopular Opinions. Sometimes we will agree, and sometimes we won't, and you may hear bickering, a reasonable, edited, but not too much amount of bickering.
00:20:06
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But that'll come later. We're usually going to do the unpopular opinion segment right before we get to our main event or feature presentation of the podcast. So hopefully you guys will forget any anger or animosity you might feel toward us. It's all a distraction. Yeah. I don't know how easily distractible you guys are. I know I am.
00:20:35
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as you can tell from the tangents.
Top 5 Unsettling Disney Moments
00:20:40
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We're gonna go ahead and move into our feature presentation for the evening. We're gonna talk about our top five scary or unsettling moments from Disney media. By Disney media, we mean movies, live action, ah cartoons, shows, anything is fair game.
00:21:03
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And we're each going to do five. So you're going to get to hear 10. There may be some overlap. I don't know. Neither of us know the others list. So it's going to be a mystery going in, but we're going to start with number five. We're going to work our way all the way to number one. And afterwards, just out of respect for each other's mystery lists, we're going to save our honorable mentions for the very end. Just so we don't diss each other too much.
00:21:32
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Exactly. Exactly. So let's see. Why don't you lead us off, Michelle? Number five. Okay. I will start with my number five is from the movie Ratatouille. What?
00:21:51
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So when you think about this movie, okay, it is a kitchen filled with rats. Yes. pretty, pretty unsettling, in my opinion. So that is unsettling. I mean, the more you when you when you really spend time with the idea, I think I've habituated the idea in my mind to like, you know, Remy is the protagonist and he's he's cute and he's personable, but you're right.
00:22:17
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That is horrifying. You know what? I love Remy. I love him as a individual mouse or an individual rat, excuse me. But when you think of a horde of rats taking over the kitchen, that's when... Think of all the little rat feet running after you. Okay. Oh, man. I don't know. so There's a scene that specifically stands out to me when I talk about this.
00:22:41
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and it's when the health inspector comes in and he walks into Gusto's to see hundreds of rats looking back at him, ok okay? And then he turns around to run out and all the rats chase him, right? Terrifying. Think about that happening to you. That is horrifying. The scene in, I know the exact scene you're talking about. And then he's driving away and they all cover his windshield.
00:23:10
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Oh, yeah. You know, i'm talking that is unsettling. Yes. You know, I never felt myself unsettled by that scene. And then you use the phrase rat feet. Think about the sound they would all make.
00:23:23
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oh Now I hear the better Yeah, okay. That's pretty solid. I I I will give you that rat. That's the phrase of the evening rat feet The pitter-patter of rat feet. Yes rat feet and unspeakable churros Wow, okay, I did not expect your first pick to be from ratatouille that is wild. I love it I love not knowing okay good. Yeah. All right. So my number five is is we're gonna go back in time a little bit. We're gonna go all the way back to a little movie or feature, I don't know if it's movie length, called Mickey and the Beanstalk. Are you familiar with Mickey and the Beanstalk? I am. Okay, so ah there is a part in Mickey and the Beanstalk that
00:24:17
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always unsettled me as a child. It still is really out of left field. It's jarring. This part of Mickey and the Beanstalk involves Donald. So Donald is being plagued with hunger. Like he's starving to death. They're all trying to ration. There's this great but also really sad scene of Mickey Mouse like thinly shaving a bean like trying to save Save one bean and make it last. So they're all starving to death. And Donald just absolutely loses his mind, has these horrifying red and yellow, like spirally eyes. He goes after this cow with an axe just to see him go straight up feral. That's not the last time I'll use the word feral in my top five, by the way. um
00:25:09
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It's probably not the scene you're thinking of when I say feral, but that was always unsettling to me. Donald just absolutely losing his mind and going after this cow who didn't deserve it in my opinion, but hunger makes you do crazy things. Anyway, that is my number five. That's a great one. that Yeah, that's that's interesting because Donald Duck is angry all the time.
00:25:39
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But yes, in that way. But he's not homicidal. They've never portrayed him as homicidal. So that's that's disturbing. I see why that stuck with you. It absolutely did. I mean, it's you know, I slept with a plush Donald Duck. I had a Donald Duck painting in my room. So he was like your favorite character. So to see that side of him. Yes, Donald was my favorite character. Still is in a lot of ways.
00:26:07
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But that one scene definitely stuck with me. I'm like, can I trust this duck fully? You never want to see your hero in that state. No. So moving on to my number four. My number four is from the movie Tarzan. I did not go as deep as you did into the past. These are all pretty recent. um But you might be thinking of the scene already. This is the scene of Clayton's death.
00:26:36
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Oh, yes. Of course, we're all rooting for him to die, but Disney really went for the shock factor here. How you see the the vines tighten as he falls to his death and then the lightning strikes and you see the shadow of him hanging from essentially a noose. It's a dark scene. It's only for a second, but it's it's a dark scene.
00:27:01
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Oh, yeah. No, I totally remember that scene. I have vivid, vivid memories. That is definitely unsettling. They did not have to go that dark, but they did. They could have just showed him falling. But no, they had to show the shadow of him hanging there. So yeah, I really went for it there. Not the first hanging that Disney has put out there. I'm looking at you stretching room. That's true. That used to scare me when I was little. I could never look.
00:27:29
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Oh, I have I have a great story about that room in particular. We'll save that for another podcast. But yeah, no, the absolutely unsettling scene. What a great pick. That is that is a good that's a solid number four. Oh, so creepy. Stands out to me.
00:27:48
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Oh yeah, me too. Absolutely. So, okay. My number four. We are going to go back to, I believe the nineties or the eighties is when this came out. I think it's the eighties. Now I think about it and we're going to go to the movie who framed Roger Rabbit. Oh, okay.
00:28:07
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one of my favorite films to this day. I think it's a wonderful blend of live action and an animation. I know they recently tried to do something similar with the rescue Rangers movie.
00:28:20
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Yes, I'm a big fan of that movie. Yes, which was a really, really, it was a solid movie. It was a fun, fun time. But I still think the human and cartoon interactions held up even better in Roger Rabbit, which is wild for the late 80s, early 90s. It is well done.
00:28:39
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Yes, so Roger Rabbit, there's ah you probably already know where I'm going with this, both to you and the listeners, but Judge Doom, that's all I have to say. Judge Doom, played by Christopher Lloyd, um lovable Doc Brown from Back to the Future, just played this horrifying,
00:29:01
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entity, um the squeaky voice, the eyeballs popping out of the head. So these like tune eyeballs that almost look like feelers just came shooting out of his head. ah Just a horrifying, horrifying creation. There's a specific moment that stands out even before his just super unnerving transformation. But when he kills straight up murders the shoe. Yeah.
00:29:31
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Horrifying that is horrifying absolutely ah Yeah, I was satisfied with your number four just being him and then Yeah It just got worse. You're right. Yeah, it definitely gets worse To see this little shoe is this and by the way if you're not familiar with it go watch it. It's horrifying It's this adorable little shoe it almost has like Chip from Beauty and the Beast is to cups, like this little shoe animation is to shoes, if that makes any sense at all. Very chip-like. It absolutely does. Just an adorable little piece of footwear. That did not deserve to die. And he just slowly, not like, he doesn't just throw him into the dip, which the dip is the toxic waste they use to murder tunes. He doesn't just throw him into the dip.
00:30:26
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slowly lowers him into the dip and you get to see the expression on the shoes face as the light leaves its eyes. It's horrible. It's horrible. I get mad just talking about it. Like as somebody who likes dark media and horror, that just, I just, good it sounds like, yeah, it's too far. And I'm talking it up. Like it's my number one. I think, I think things get worse. I can't wait to hear your number one.
00:30:53
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Yeah, and and we're we're going with things that affected us. This is a subjective list.
Listener Engagement on Scariest Moments
00:31:01
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um I'm going with things that maybe, you know, maybe things that aren't like the most objectively scary, but things that I remember sticking with me as a kid, I'm sure that was your thought with your list as well, Michelle. so Yeah. so So feel free, when this episode's posted, feel free to leave comments on our Instagram and just let us know if we missed any, let us know what your what your favorite scary moments are. I would love to hear, yeah, I'd love to hear other people's lists because you're so specific to each person.
00:31:38
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It depends so much upon when you were born, how old you were when you saw this, because some of these, a lot of my honorable mentions, I didn't see until I was an adult, which I think made them less horrifying.
Unsettling Scenes in Disney Media
00:31:51
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Yes.
00:31:52
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still yeah but Okay. But unsettling. Yes. Okay. Let's move on. My number three is from the movie Hercules. Hmm. Probably think about some creepy moments in there, but my specific
00:32:10
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creepy moment is when Hercules travels to hell on Cerberus and he busts through the wall, right? And he dives into the um the souls,
00:32:25
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the pool with all the souls to get Meg. and he's very quickly aging, and it pans to the fates about to cut his his lifeline.
00:32:38
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um and yeah it's It made me anxious as a child, but luckily he is a god, so he lives. But then he hits Hades into the river and all of the souls start trying to pull him down underwater, trying to drown him, which makes me feel claustrophobic just thinking about it. A bunch of restless undead souls trying to drag you to the depths of hell. Just stuck out to me as disturbing.
00:33:11
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Yeah, that was that was definitely an and unnerving scene, especially that. Yeah, that that soul thread that was going to be cut that that really stuck with me as well. who And the fates in general are creepy. Oh, the heck yeah. Them with that scene, it was. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Any sort of situation where you are thrust into a writhing pit of souls. It's not ideal.
00:33:38
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It's not where I wanna be, I don't know. Like are they so non-corporeal like you don't feel them or are they like squishy? I imagine they're squishy. I i would say wet, definitely wet and squishy. and well How about this? so long Yes, let's go with the word squelchy. Squelchy is the perfect, disgusting word. I hate that word. It's pretty good.
00:34:07
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another Let's never use squelchy on the podcast ever again. All right. That's a fine rule. We'll see if it holds up. We'll see if it holds squelchy. Squelchy. OK, that's a good. Yeah, I know. That's a weird word. That's a good pick, though. That is a good pick. I actually forgot about that scene. Yikes. My goodness.
00:34:29
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Whoo, okay. All right, moving moving on, moving right along. So my number three, we're going way back to the very first animated feature film, who Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. Now you're probably all thinking that I'm gonna talk about the hag, the evil queen in her hag form, which was really unsettling and she does play a part in this, but the scene I have in mind is a bit more subtle and it was something that I remember really unsettling me as a kid. It's one of those moments where it's sort of in the background. It's a throwaway scene.
00:35:18
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But the implications of it, if you if you let your mind spiral too much, it sort of snowballs into this horrifying realization of what happened. So there's a scene where the evil queen slash hag, you know, in her hag form, she walks into a dungeon and there is a jail cell and out of the jail cell, there is a human skeleton and it's sticking out of the jail cell and it's reaching for a bowl and it can't quite get to the bowl.
00:35:47
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and she walks in and she says something along the lines of, thirsty, have a drink. And then she does the ee hee hee hee. Boy, I sound just like her, wow. But no, she walked uncanny, right? She walks in, pours some water in the bowl, kicks the skeleton. So what's in being implied here? It's not an overtly scary scene, but what's being implied here is that There was somebody who literally died of starvation, dehydration, reaching for this bowl. And she's so disrespectful to the the corpse, I suppose would be the word, the the skeleton. She shatters it while making this callous joke. And it's such a blink and you'll miss it scene. But I remember being so unsettled by that as a kid and being like, he starved to death. And it's a cartoon.
00:36:42
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Mm-hmm. And she's laughing about it. Yeah, and she's laughing. She's cackling about it just horrifying So go and watch that scene if you haven't seen it or you don't remember it. I mean it is very quick But uh, that's a good one. That's a good catch. Yes, we missed Yes, it's the it's kind of the the what you don't see. Yeah the process oof anyway So there we go Okay. So my number two is not just a scene. It's pretty much the movie in general. Okay. Peter Pan. Okay. ah Oh, I can't wait to hear this. The reason that Peter Pan is so unsettling to me is the angel of death theory or interpretation of Peter Pan.
00:37:34
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Oh, we're going here. And every time that I have watched this movie, my mind always goes back to that. And I know that's not Disney's interpretation, but there's been so many dark adaptations of Peter Pan and there's a lot of symbolism in the original for this. So it just sticks with me. And essentially, Peter Pan is guiding the children to the afterlife.
00:38:02
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And he's he's actually the angel of death and Neverland is the afterlife. um So that means the law lost boys are dead. ah You go there, you never age because you're done aging, because you're dead. Oh, wow. You never grow up because you died a child. And so his purpose is to guide them through the afterlife in that transition and so they're not scared of crossing over. The whole movie, ever since I heard that, has always just been very creepy to me. And I can't get that out of my head as Peter Pan being the angel of death. So that's that's my number two.
00:38:51
Speaker
That got dark. but i Yeah, I know that's great, though. That's what we're all about here on Nightmare on Main Street. Wow. Peter Pan as the angel of death. That is something that makes a weird amount of sense. That's very unsettling. They're never growing up. They're never aging. These lost boys, they don't have families because you know, they're the only ones that died and their families are still living. I don't know, it's just a thought. And I know that's probably not what they meant, but it plagues my mind. I would love to do a deeper dive into the Peter Pan as the Angel of Death theory maybe in a future episode because I think there are so many things we could talk about with that. Yes, I would love to get deeper into that. I've done a lot of research into this theory.
00:39:47
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Let's do that. I wonder real quick, are there any theories as to what Hook would be? See, I don't know. I was trying to think about that just from my own interpretation and. I don't know, but he's like the villain of the afterlife, so you could think he would be. Some sort of satanic.
00:40:09
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Symbol, but I haven't read any specific theories that say that that's just my own thought villain of the afterlife, you know Yes, that's really interesting because then the villain of the afterlife would have his own villain in the form of the crocodile. Oh That's true Wow we can go Deep Yeah Let's put a pin in this, as they say, and yeah go a little deeper. I would love to do that. Okay, great pick. That was solid. What was that your number? Number two. That was number two? Wow. Okay. All right. one That's a little more. How can I top that?
00:40:53
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That's pretty wild. um Maybe I should have saved that for one. ah Hey, I think it works, I think it works. We're just getting it all out there into the airwaves, into the ether. Okay, so my number two, that was a really good one, my number two,
00:41:10
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is we're gonna go, well, it's we're gonna go even further back in time to one of Disney's live action feature films from the 60s, 70s, maybe the 50s. I forget what year this movie was made. So the movie in question is called Darby O'Gill and the Little People. yeah is Are you familiar with that at all, Michelle? I'm not, I've never even heard of that. it is a It's an Irish, i it's well, it's not an Irish movie, let's be real, it's you know Disney.
00:41:40
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but it's a movie about Ireland and it has Sean Connery in it. So Sean Connery of James Bond, Indiana Jones, fame, the Sean Connery that talks like this. That's Sean Connery. And King of Impressions, honestly. maybe Get used to it, everybody. but We'll see. Sometimes they just spill out. um Sean Connery is the main character in this film. I don't really want to talk about the plot if you guys want to watch Darby O'Gill
00:42:13
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and the little people. There are leprechauns, so spoiler alert. But that is not the segment in question. In this film, and in Irish folklore in general, there is an entity known as a banshee. The banshee is one of the most horrifying types of spirits to me, um just the idea that it is this silent gliding, well, silent until it screams at you, the screaming. ah But it's this harbinger of death, much like,
00:42:43
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Peter Pan, apparently. We learned something today. But no the Banshee is a major part of this film. It doesn't appear a lot, but sort of the threat of it lingers. But there's a scene in question where one of the characters Knows the banshees approaching he sees it sort of up on a mountaintop and the Banshee is a really really strange effect for the you know The 60s 70s when this was made it's this basically a woman is a woman in a cloak, but they have this fluorescent Editing done to her. She kind of hovers. She's almost like bright minty green, which doesn't sound that scary It probably looked good for the time
00:43:30
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but she kind of hovers and so he sees the Banshee on this mountaintop which he knows is foretelling that someone's going to to pass away um so he's obviously unsettled it's just sort of floating there looking at him and It's also kind of unsettling most of the time the Banshee moves in a very smooth fluid way and sometimes it moves like There's a low bandwidth like it's just kind of jerky moves all over the place So it's just it's weird that was unsettling
00:44:02
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But the parting question that really gets me, the Banshee is accompanied by this thing called a death coach. So the death coach is this shimmery, somewhat translucent carriage driven by a headless ah driver and it pulls up to this man's residence and it says something along the lines of, get in. And so that was really unsettling.
00:44:26
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Oh, but the most unsettling part is the banshee is up on a cliff. The guy shuts his door, goes inside, and then you hear this wail. And I used to dive behind the couch every time I would see this scene because he would open the door and the banshee would be right there. And all of it's like minty rotted, just unsettling glory. And it would wail and just rush the screen.
00:44:52
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Oh, it is horrifying, and I can't do justice to it. yeah If you haven't seen it, you have to go watch it. If you have seen it, you know exactly what I'm talking about. um It is not all leprechauns, folks. That Banshee is horrifying. I know. I know. was I'm curious as to how that fits into the plot. I know you didn't talk about the plot, but does she revisit a lot? Is she in the movie a lot?
00:45:21
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No, she I wouldn't say she's in the movie a lot. OK, just a couple of times. Yeah, just a couple of times. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That might be a fun movie to do a deeper dive into at some point as well. It's very you could even argue that the leprechaun slightly unsettling. I used to have a fear of leprechauns. Really? OK, we definitely need to dive into this then. Definitely. Oh, I looked up a picture of her. That is that is very
Transformation and Horror in Disney Classics
00:45:51
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creepy.
00:45:51
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Oh, I know. OK, she has like some hag qualities, but also. You can't see her face, so she's I don't like her at all.
00:46:04
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There's a lot of uncertainty there with what her face looks like. Yeah. It's just creepy. Yes, absolutely. Yes, please. Yeah. Watch it. um Watch it if you haven't seen it. So OK. On my list now. OK, so my number one is a scene from Pinocchio. Oh.
00:46:25
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i think I think anyone who's seen Pinocchio agrees with this one. so It's the scene where he travels to Pleasure Island and they're turning all the little boys into donkeys.
00:46:36
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ah which It's it's unsettling, just the idea of it. But then they show a little donkey named Alexander and he has the sweetest little boy voice that he's just asking to go home and they throw him into a cage. And then it goes to Lampwick, which no one likes Lampwick anyway, because he's kind of a jerk. Lampwick.
00:47:01
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Lampwick, I mean, with that name, he was destined to be a jerk. And they show him violently transforming into a donkey. So nobody likes him, but nobody wants to see that either. No, um he's begging for his life. He's crying for his mom specifically, which oh, yeah, is is rough to watch. And if you've seen the 2022 live action Pinocchio with Tom Hanks,
00:47:30
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This scene was just as terrifying in that one because you had to watch real children turn into donkeys which If you haven't watched the live action one, maybe don't. It's not good. um save Save your time. But it was it's a disturbing scene. And then they ride in on a carriage pulled by donkeys. So they're putting these little boys to work, just pulling carriages and who knows what else they're doing with the the human donkey boys. So.
00:48:04
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Right, that is unsettling, the the implications, the the labor, child labor child implications. Yeah, child labor is unsettling. and Boy, it's a good thing they closed Pleasure Island at Disney, dis the downtown no, I almost said Disney Springs. Downtown Disney. Downtown Disney, yeah. No, i that's all I thought of when I heard Pleasure Island.
00:48:28
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Because I was like, did Downtown Disney copy this from Pinocchio? Because I know Downtown Disney was made after Pinocchio, so you'd think they'd come up with a different name. You're like, why would Wolfgang Puck have a restaurant here?
00:48:45
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wow Make sure there's no donkeys there. so No. It's children working. They might be line cooks at Wolfgang Pucks, I don't know. They might be prepping your house salads with their tiny little hooves. Shame on you, whoever you are. I don't know why I'm scolding right now. i'm beating wolf gang pucks house yes
00:49:12
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All right. Yeah. Whoever you are. Shame on you. That was a really good number one pick. Pinocchio, that whole movie, Monstro used to unsettle me. Yes. So many different scenes in that movie. And I watched the live action recently because I hadn't watched the original in so long. And I just remember sitting there like, what is happening? The whole plot was strange.
00:49:39
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Right. Right. I haven't seen the live action. I need to watch it for research purposes. Oh, don't maybe I won't. I mean, maybe for research. For research purposes. Got it.
00:49:55
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Right on. Solid pick. Solid pick. So my number one may be laughable to a lot of you, especially after my number two, which is genuinely pretty creepy and unsettling. This. This scene from this film. I used to fast forward through it. I used to have my mom.
00:50:18
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just blow through it, I would jump behind the couch, I would cover my ears, I could not handle this scene. And it was from a movie that I also, I don't think it gets enough love. I know there are fans out there because it's a solid film. It's one of Disney's classics. It's The Great Mouse Detective.
00:50:41
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oh I love Basil of Baker Street. I wish there was more Basil representation in the parks and in Disney media in general. Great character. Radigan is a great villain. Vincent Price always good. Anyway, the scene in question happens very early at the beginning of the movie. And it's a part where
00:51:08
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the cameras tracking as much as a camera can track an animation but stay with me but we're approaching a jump scare and you know it's about to happen and it builds and it builds and it builds and finally there's this horrific bat face. It's the the character's name is fidget, which doesn't really sound like a scary character at all. But this bat explodes onto the screen. He's got this horrible grin and he makes this weird little growl, like it's pretty uncanny. I think that was a really good, that was a really good fidget, but he does this thing and he does this weird head tilt and it was just,
00:51:53
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Horrifying. I could not stand to watch it. To this day, it's still, i it doesn't creep me out, but I remember the fear associated with that scene. Freakin' fidget. That's a great one. Yeah, yeah I mean, we we said this list was subjective, right?
Dark Themes in Modern Disney Cartoons
00:52:13
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So that's, yeah. um yeah And I'm glad that that you gave that movie some representation. Because you're right, it doesn't get enough.
00:52:23
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It doesn't. I mean, you've got Dawson as the lovable sidekick and and Radigan's a great villain. Honestly, speaking of unsettling, ah I said that I would use the word feral again. And here I go. Radigan, when he turns really feral and just rat like at the end of the movie, because, you know, he's super concerned, like anybody who calls him a rat instead of a mouse, like He just like loses his mind. And at the end of the movie, he just goes full on feral rat. They're fighting in Big Ben. He's like slashing Basil with his claws and snarling, like all the sort of erudition, the refined speaking is just out the window. He's just this beast.
00:53:07
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ah Just, yeah, given Basil the old what for, which is a terrible description of that. But it's just, anyway. Great movie. Horrifying scene. It's always stuck with me. OK, that's a great one. That's our list. Let's do some honorable mentions. OK. Luckily, none of our honorable mentions were on each other's lists. So right. That's pretty cool. Yeah. So my first honorable mention is.
00:53:39
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Okay, i've talked to I've talked to Dan about this before. It's the new Mickey Mouse cartoons on Disney+. plus I don't know if you guys have watched those, but in general, they're pretty pretty unsettling. but And you can watch them in Hollywood Studios, that vacation fun movie, if you've ever seen that. Oh yeah, that's the thing there. Yeah, have you ever watched that?
00:54:03
Speaker
No, no, i haven't I haven't taken the time. I need to some research. It's a good place with some air conditioning. So that's pieces of this cartoon, um but they have a special called Duck the Halls. And that is so unsettling. It's about Donald Duck, another Donald Duck mention. He loses his feathers in this one.
00:54:27
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And it's oh so strange. And then the Halloween Spooktacular is another extremely unsettling one. The one with Huey, Dewey and Louie and the pie. And there's this terrifying old woman who's trying to lure them in with this delicious pie and then traps them in her house. And if you haven't watched it, you gotta check it out.
00:54:55
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So I embarrassingly enough, I'm all about spooky Disney. That's what this podcast is. And I haven't seen that particular Halloween spooktacular. So that is going to get watched ASAP probably over the weekend. I will be. Yes, I will be in Disney World. So I will squeeze in some time to watch um that maybe at night. Yes. Spooky, spooky atmosphere in the hotel room.
00:55:21
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um OK, so while we're talking about the new Mickey Mouse cartoons, let me I'm going to take a turn with that because there is a very short new Mickey Mouse cartoon. It's that same style of animation and it's called Ghoul Friend. Oh, I haven't seen it. It's only about three and a half minutes.
00:55:44
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But it's so Mickey's driving his car through this forest and his car ah breaks down somehow. He's trying to fix the engine and out of the woods shuffles this horrifying rotting bones exposed eyeball dangling out of the socket zombie goofy.
00:56:11
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and it is so unsettling for a kid's cartoon. You could almost argue that it's so grotesque that it's comical, but why it ended up in one of these cartoons for kids is beyond me. Look up the cartoon, Ghoul Friend on YouTube, the entire short is on there. Basically, he never does anything super threatening other than, well, he does run at Mickey with this horrible noise like, hu there's lot He just kind of runs at him and his his bones are clanking. cry It is very weird. I believe that he's just trying to be his friend. I don't really know. I think he's trying to help him fix his car.
00:56:57
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Goofy's often misunderstood, but... He is. And you know, I did some research on this. um there's ah There's a ah accompanying comic book to this short. Oh. And in the comic book, it's explained that this is not Goofy. So Goofy is not deceased. ah But this is ah apparently Goofy's cousin who is confirmed to be deceased at this time. So it's actually a dead Goofy relative.
00:57:26
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Yes, I mean, he looks exactly like Goofy. I don't know that situation, but very unsettling. It's canon, apparently, ah for those of you who care about canon.
00:57:38
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So, unsettling, just spooky. Okay, let's keep going.
00:57:46
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Okay, so this one I think a lot of people were probably expecting to show up on the list. And I think it deserves a spot, at least as an honorable mention. But the Pink Elephants on Parade from Dumbo, that's very creepy. You could argue that the song itself is very creepy, almost like a twisted circus type situation. But really what was the most unsettling part of that for me were like the black the black solace eyes of these elephants like all these elephants have these pupils black eyes pink elephants on parade definite honorable mention what else have you got. My other one is facility being dragged to the underworld by his shadow friends.
00:58:30
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Oh, man, I almost included that one in mind. Yeah, that is definitely creepy. Yeah, just the intensity of the scene to the music, the colors as he is dragged by his feet and he's begging to not be taken to the underworld. It's creepy. Yeah, that's very. Yeah, no, definitely unsettling. I like that one. OK, another one. Anything and everything about the Horned King from the Disney film, The Black Cauldron.
00:59:00
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Yes. Just an unsettling dude. The only pleasant part of that movie is Gergi. Gergi? Oh, yeah. Gergi with his pre-Smeagol voice. Yes.
00:59:16
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um yeah He's a furry Smeagol. Yeah, like a furry Smeagol. Yeah, very interesting. We're on to you, Andy Serkis. We know where you got that voice.
00:59:27
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true It's a little too close. It's a little too close. Yeah, Gergie. Okay. Yeah, Gergie. That would be a fun movie. Yeah. My other honorable mention is from Aladdin. It's just the ending when Jafar becomes an evil genie.
00:59:45
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I remember watching that and feeling very hopeless, like, oh, now he has magic. They're never going to beat him, even though soon after they come up with a good solution. But I remember that split second where he turns into a snake and then the evil genie. It's um it spooked me for sure.
01:00:04
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Yeah, that wasn't settling. I mean, he, yeah, he, uh, he was a very scary genie. Okay. Another honorable mention. We have to mention the Fantasia short night on bald mountain, obviously with the giant demon Chernobog.
01:00:22
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Just the name. Yeah, his all his little soul, damned soul creatures. Oh, there's our first curse word. There you go. um All his little creepy souls out there. and there there is The music that accompanies him, it's pretty unsettling too. I feel like that has been talked about. It's been done to death, you know people talking about that one. So I'm not gonna spend much time on it, but it definitely deserves a spot on the list.
01:00:50
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Do you have any other honorable mentions? I do not that was my last one. Okay, that's why I said All right. So my last two I think we need to mention the headless horseman. Oh, yes and i definitely yeah definitely an icon very very scary very well done I really and I really enjoyed ah some people would say it's not so nebulous and it's not so open-ended but I always felt like in a lot of sleepy hollow adaptations it's always open-ended like was Ichabod being pranked
01:01:24
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Was it Braum? Or was this actually a supernatural creature? Where did he go? Was he scared to another town? You know, was he dragged to hell with ah Dr. Facilier? Who knows? Who knows?
Disturbing Elements in The Brave Little Toaster
01:01:38
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I don't know. It's probably in Neverland. Oh, man. In Peter Pan. We've got to talk about this. OK, and my last honorable mention is the brave little toaster. Oh, OK.
01:01:54
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The Brave Little Toaster, I don't know, I don't know who came up with a lot of those concepts. um It's a solid film, but that Evil Clown in Brave Little Toaster, that was too much. her It was too much, guys. Yeah. He didn't have to be that brave.
01:02:16
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No, yeah, he was braver than me. Brave little toaster. um There's a few scenes in that film that I don't even wanna get into right now. Maybe that's for another day, but there are just some really, just some concerning scenes in that film where you're like, oh, ooh, okay. You guys, are y'all okay? Is everybody okay? Who wrote this? You guys wanna talk to somebody?
01:02:41
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I don't know. But no, overall a solid film, but there are some there are some issues there. Okay, that's all I have. That's all I have for future presentation.
Revisiting and Signing Off
01:02:53
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I now have a list of movies I need to go back and rewatch. Or watch them at the time. Oh, me too. Me too. And we hope that you, the listener, have some that you can check out as well. Unless you're just a huge Disney nerd, you've seen all these well-played kudos to you. Be impressed. There were some obscure ones. Oh, I know. Darby O'Gill and the Little People, come on.
01:03:19
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Yeah, comment if you've seen that movie. Yeah, I would love to know like who all has seen that movie. Because yeah I don't think there's many of us. No, you're a small, a small crowd.
01:03:32
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Yes, very intimate group. Boy, that sounded weird. Anyway, you know what I mean. All right, so that is probably gonna do it for our episode tonight. Thank you guys for listening. Thanks for spending the night with us here. It was actually, for our first episode, it was a dark and stormy night. It was storming outside both of our homes, but we have fancy microphones, so you probably didn't hear it, but it was really coming down.
01:03:59
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So thanks for weathering the storm with us and walking through some creepy Disney memories and we will see ya real soon. See ya real soon. I love that. That's good.