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Who Will Roma Buy & Sell? Federico Chiesa, Tammy Abraham, Boubakary Soumare & More (Ep. 444)
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Roma transfer news deep dive with Andrea Di Carlo, broadcaster and journalist at Il Romanista and Radio Romanista, detailing all the latest transfer rumors from Federico Chiesa and Boubakary Soumare to futures of Tammy Abraham, Eduardo Bove as well as backstory of how Daniele De Rossi managed to convince Artem Dovbyk to sign and much more in this special Giallorossi mercato episode of The Italian Football Podcast.
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Transcript
Introduction to the Italian Football Podcast
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Italian Football Podcast. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another Mercato Deep Dive interview here on the Italian Football Podcast.
Guest Introduction: Andrea DiCarlo
00:00:13
Speaker
My name is Nima Tawale Rutsari and after having done Lazio, after having done Napoli, after having done Milan, Juve and last week we did Atalanta. We're delighted now to focus a bit on Roma and we're joined once again by our good friend, um who he writes for Il Romanista, and he's a um he's a contributor to Radio Romanista, and he's my second favorite Roma fan in the world after Marco Violi. Welcome, Andrea DiCarlo. How are you doing?
00:00:47
Speaker
i more is nice to but to have you again after one year. Thanks for ah for your ah words and yeah, I'm fine. It's nice to to talk another time about this Roma. Well,
Roma's Financial Strategy and Player Focus
00:01:01
Speaker
there's so much going on at Roma um this summer. I wanted to start a little bit at with Roma's finances because there was there there's been some confusion. um For many years Roma haven't been able to spend much ah because of financial for playing UEFA. And, of course, they're also in the settlement agreement, like Inter and Juva are. So, how how is it that this summer Roma can finally spend money? It's probably much easier than he looks, because as Roma for many years follows a particular agreement with UEFA,
00:01:44
Speaker
settlement agreement and he didn't, no, he won he didn't want but he didn't spend so much on the transfer mark session and so the focus was to take players ah free or in on loan, spending a lot of money only for the the salaries and And then you can probably make a good team, a good 11.
Youth and Experience in Roma's Player Investments
00:02:18
Speaker
ah but you are not building ah something good for the for the future. You work only with the present, ah only with the instant team. You take a good player like Lukaku, like Matic, like Vinaldum, names like Renato Sanchez. You work on the present, but Esroma stopped work ah for his future. Now, after the formal K from WEFA, as Roma is is back you know in a condition to spend ah
00:02:55
Speaker
on the players. And so, what as Roma told ah at the start of the summer to to the press, this summer we want to create ah value. What does it mean? value Technical value, ah players' young and strong financial value. play that you buy today, 20 million, that probably from two years so you can buy 40, 45, maybe 50, you create a value.
00:03:31
Speaker
and and this is ah I think that the main guide that has Roma is following because Buba Sangare is a enormous talented very young Spanish and as Roma arrived the first in this race.
Roma's New Stadium Project: A Beacon of Hope?
00:03:51
Speaker
And Ryan is a he' a good goalkeeper with the experience. Lefé is one ah another ah talent midfielder of Ligon. There are many profiles, many characteristics as Romanites.
00:04:10
Speaker
and And then the this transfer market session of S. Roma changed when Guisofil, Linus Luhu, when the for property of Fritin decided to invest. Matthias Schule and Artem Dobrik, two great players, ah very young, on perfectly fit with the ah Daniel de Rossi's idea and so me there's a part of this ah this kind of ah situation ah
00:04:52
Speaker
as I told you, is ah more ah flexible possibility and capacity to spend. In the um another another aspect, in the same in in the same view, is ah his Roma a as as the chance say in the summer to to leave ah so many players with important and in enormous ah salary.
Financial Management: Transfers and Amortization
00:05:19
Speaker
So when you say hello to Ruy Patricio, Rasmus Christenson, Diego Llorente, Leonardo Spinazzola, Renato Sanchez, Romelu Lukaku, Eduardo Zardarazmouna, sorry. And you the you live with so many millions of euros that you can invest on cross-format and in the last
00:05:45
Speaker
the most common error or mistake that someone can do. Talking about the Trust Fund Max session of Ice Roma is to sell to to tell ah someone, Ice Roma is spending 100 million. Wait. You have to to check. what um or um the amount of the operation as Roma has to goes to register on its balance. Yeah, the the net spend, essentially, how many how much you sell, how much you buy, yeah, of course. No, but then not only, because if you ah if you buy Mathias Esoule from Juventus, about 30 million,
00:06:31
Speaker
but you have the chance to to pay 10 million for season. you thisc This year, you spent 10 million for Sulei, you know, 30. And so, 10 for Sulei, 10 for Fondobic. ah probably 9 or 8 for lithium is not 100 million, no more or less. No, it's amortization on the balance sheet, yeah. like Exactly, exactly. and that's the next perfect sentence The cigarette, I don't know, maybe maybe it's too much, but this is the the reason and and of the coming back to to to spend a lot on the trusted market about this bromo.
00:07:12
Speaker
Absolutely. Well, we're going to talk a little bit about more of the technical project. I just want to ask you a little bit about this Novostadio Roma. They just ah unveiled it and it looked that they want to get it done for so that it's finished for the 100th anniversary of Roma. um I mean, what do i mean i've you know this is yeah I would love if all the Italian clubs could have new stadiums, but you know I've given up hope because of bureaucracy. You are from Rome. You cover Roma every day. How positive are you about this stadium actually getting built? I'm very positive because ah um for the first time
00:07:57
Speaker
we We saw in the last 20 years ah three video projects of the Stadium of Zoroma. The first was with the property of Rossella Tensei. The second one was with James Palota and now the third video project with Friedkin family. And so i I want to say that it's it's time not not only to see the project, ah it's time to build ah the project and the stadium. I can tell you that for the first time I'm very positive because
00:08:36
Speaker
In the other a situation, the politics ah environment, he was not so convinced now to build the the stadium. um um Obviously, it is important that, as you said, the Italian bureaucracy was on the on the line. in the in the same line of the Ice Roma's view, none not happened in the last and the last chance when Ice Roma and owner James Palota wanted to to build the stadium but
00:09:14
Speaker
and as ah jim Roma government, the local government was quite an opposite view and this time ah with the major well theory with the local government there are so much will and and want to to to give to to the city a new stadium. and And so I think that this is the key for the success.
Daniel De Rossi's Influence on Player Recruitment
00:09:44
Speaker
If the local government remains so positive and so open to follow over the all the stuff and all the
00:09:56
Speaker
and so all All the continuing ah now process to to came until our final goal, ah the construction of of the stadium. I think that it is the right time, it's the final time that we can finally see how Roma is playing in his new home. and I don't think ah it will be ready for the 2027, for the century of the the club, but ah I mean, it' now it's not...
00:10:35
Speaker
ah technical problem of the of the the time, the they the important and is that the project will be done and and so we we we can wait ah another year but the dead ah we we hope ah and everyone in in Rome hopes that 27, 28 will be the season in in time to to see Icefroma playing in the stadium. And this time there won't be a Raji to say no as the famous song goes. Exactly. exactly
00:11:10
Speaker
You know Raji around here and so probably it's the right time to make a statement. la rajirajirajireja detono ah But this time she's not around. um Let's so move on to the Mercato a bit more then. To talk a little bit about, I mean, as you mentioned, Souleh, Dovbi, Clefe, obviously from the outside it looks like these are De Rossi players. These are players that De Rossi has identified as wanting them to come. How important has he been in actually convincing these players to join?
Roma's Transfer Strategy: Speed and Strength
00:11:45
Speaker
Oh, very important, very important. This is an interesting view because ah when Jose Mourinho came in in Roma there was a iset a technical problem, no? Because as Roma probably in that time it didn't have so much appeal now for the other players because it wasn't Champions League in the programme of the season. and as Roma, for many years, didn't play European Cups. And and so when Jose Mourinho arrived, he's pending his first line, you know, his name to to convince a lot of players to join his role. We talk about Temi Hebrem, Paul de Bala, Nemanja Matic, Sergio Rivera, and other names that we can count.
00:12:38
Speaker
ah Right now, his Roma, thanks to Jose Mourinho, winning a conference league, playing Europa League final, is his fifth club in the ranking weather, as wrote his identity, his identities ah international appeal and during last year. And and and so, probably, it's more easy. to for Daniel de Rossi to convince someone to play and in his room. But Daniel de Rossi has his history, has his identity, his story like an incredible player in his room, an important player.
00:13:22
Speaker
for the national team. So yeah he has his appeal and he's doing much possible to to to take a more players possible in his Roma. But I think that the most beautiful thing that we are seeing in this Trafirmata session is that ah completely open-minded and completely ah partnership between coach and director of sportive and property to to follow with with the same line, with the same objective, the same goals, to reach ah the the players are on on the trusted practice session because
00:14:13
Speaker
and Daniel Rosia, at the end of the last season, talked openly and directly to the press, to some problems that the roster presented and he wanted to to change, to change it non something ma so so much, like a little revolution. yeah And he got all the way in the team more athletic and more speed, more strength, more intensity. And I think that the players are coming in Rome in the summer.
00:14:57
Speaker
i following this this guideline. Young, strong, strength, ah intensity, speed. and This is Ice Roma like Daniela De Rossi, I think, imagined the team a few months ago.
Federico Chiesa's Potential Move to Roma?
00:15:18
Speaker
Well, you mentioned that, but this this Federico Chiesa rumor refuses to die. um Is there actually... um I mean, what's the status there? Is Roma actually close to signing him? What's happening? Nima, if your agent ah speaks with me for several times, I can believe that you are not in interested to to speak with me, okay? For example, if Ramadani meets
00:15:49
Speaker
three times Florian D'Sophie to talk about possible transfer of Federico Chiesa. I can't believe it. they No intention from Federico Chiesa to join us role. I think that ah the guy is in a difficult moment of his career because probably He thought that he has been more considerate from Juventus, but it didn't happen. ah They decided to not really view his contract.
00:16:30
Speaker
ah very similar to the situation of Paolo di Barra. And then I think that he was sure to to find the so many proposals in this session, okay? And so, Bayern Munich, Tottenham, Chelsea, someone from the Spain, he was sure to to receive some proposals, no? In this Trottermarken session. ah from Bayern Munich, Tottenham, Premier League, as some Spanish club, but it didn't happen. And and so, yeah it take time it took time to reflect, to think about his future, but I don't think, and I'm sure that he didn't he didn't refuse this Roma. Now, it's an interesting situation, because we are, today is the sixth August,
00:17:26
Speaker
e not so not so far from the final days of Tracer Maca's session. And he he had to he has to decide, because ah um I don't think is is it would be good for the his career to stay at Juventus in this moment, out of this project of Quiagonota. He can wait until January to sign with Inter, but I don't know until generally what's going on. yeah or Or probably accept the the pro proposal of Ice Roma. Daniel Rosi and Federico Gheza remain in good relationships. And so probably in this moment Ice Roma has to
00:18:24
Speaker
take on, let the the days pass, observe, view the situation, monitoring, and and then maybe on the half of the month, probably something is going to happen. Interesting. Could it be one of those ah Fina Mercato, Giorno del Gong deals as well? Who knows? um but maybe maybe Maybe before, yeah for because mar in the the the the jono dini mercado the final day, already you have the the chance to yeah take a particular offer no okay like Locago on loan, but probably it's too late ah for
00:19:16
Speaker
players like like Federico Chiesa. I think that five, or ten days ah and we know the the future of the player. that's that's that's that's That sounds very reasonable. um So we can exclude Galleano of Porto who's being linked to Roma and Juve and Antonio Nusa of Club Brigge. We can exclude them from Roma. don I don't know. i i I don't want to exclude anything because i knowing the the the vibes of Cultural Mercado today I can tell you, oh no, absolutely not. and no I am i you serious and tomorrow the guy is heading medical.
00:19:58
Speaker
and so no and ah learn from I worked yesterday on LUSA This guy has a problem. easy He didn't pass the medicals two years ago with Brantford, and they are in the condition to pay 30 million euros to Bruges. But something will something happened, and I don't know the specific moment the reason for that, but something happened during the medicals, and this is a little um alarm. very
00:20:35
Speaker
very alarming Galeno is is a very good winger but I think that there's another player as an expecting cost and Federico Chiesa right now we see if you have the chance to convince the player you can go to Juventus with a proposal about probably 15 million, no more. and and And
Strengthening Roma's Defense and Midfield
00:21:02
Speaker
I think there is a reasonable amount to take care for me, but it's my opinion, okay? For me, the best player, Italian at the moment.
00:21:14
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. There's also right. ah Roma need a new right back. And there's been rumors of Almeria's Marco Fubil and Sergio Roberto. Do you know anything about that?
00:21:27
Speaker
ah I don't say i have any information about Sergio Berto, so many Spanish players were linked to twice Roma, but on Sergio Berto, I don't know what to say to you. Pubil is a very interesting player, he's very young, and do you know who is his agent? no who Ramadani yeah okay the same of uh you know that Mercado is also know of their relationships and community interests and so o I e probably had
00:22:18
Speaker
help you with a player, ah you help me with another player, and so masangare it roma do you need another player? Oh, the right back, okay, I have Pubil, okay, but I'm more interested in Federico, okay, less let's have a chat, let's have a meeting, talk to each other and to to reach our goals. and so be in le federrioque ah we we have to We have to watch, we have to monitor him, because he could be a duo, and very interesting for his Roma, because the the the relationship with between the Roma downing is very good, and and so something when could be happening.
00:23:08
Speaker
So Roma is essentially AS Ramadani and Inter is FC Pastorello.
00:23:16
Speaker
ah Speaking of other players at Roma, um ah will Roma try to sign a central defender and another central midfielder? I know Somare of Leicester is someone they've been looking at, has been linked to. Yeah, um as Roma I have to... to decide to take a decision about the the the future of Chris Mulling, because probably e Mancini and Dica are the two main defenders of S. Roma. There is a situation of Chris Mulling, an expensive salary, no physical fit, a lot of injuries. ah
00:24:01
Speaker
and As Roma is expecting an offer probably from Saudi Arabia to say goodbye to to Chris Malling, but at the moment nothing ah so concrete was registered and Maras Kumbula, probably not at the same level of as Roma. And so obviously as Roma is looking for another defender. and we have to check some profile and about midfielder
00:24:34
Speaker
I think that Eis Ruma has more characteristics, Paredes, Pellegrini, Lefé, Christante, but you need someone in the middle of the the field, some ball-stealer now, someone who helps the team when he has not a ball, because Eis Ruma is building a team with the ball very, very strong. I'm afraid that this team, when when lose the ball and the possession, I'm afraid it's going to to suffer a lot. And so I think that as Roma is looking for a most colour player, intense ball stealer, able to to to to take pressure to the possession,
00:25:30
Speaker
and of the opponent.
Player Sales and Strategic Acquisitions
00:25:35
Speaker
and And so I think that Mercado as Roma is quite a note over. I agree. Speaking of i mean Roma have sold quite a few players in order to spend that much too. But one player that has been rumored to leave is Tammy Abraham. He's been linked with well pretty much half of Europe. The latest links are to AC Neland and that Nua Okafor could be involved in a swap deal. player a swap deal
00:26:02
Speaker
deal ah do you you know what what do you know What's the state of play? Is is there is Tammy Abraham other talks with Mila and over Tammy Abraham? And could Noah Okafor be involved in an exchange? Hello. yeah First of all, I as Roma want to sell semi-abram and want at least 30 million because this is the correct amount to to cover part of the spend on Dovbik, okay? Okay. But um no one
00:26:39
Speaker
in Italy, in England, that have arrived so far at the request of S. Roma. And so the swap deal with another club, it could be a good option for S. Roma, S. Roma is looking for a ah second striker. and Obviously, Dovbic is the number nine nine main actor. but than you want with another striker. And maybe Okafor could be the the the right profile and the same question and the same situation also for the winger. Sélimekker's last year um made a very good season with a Bologna shirt and I think it's a good player and easily play on the 4-3-3 on the 4-2-3-1.
00:27:37
Speaker
and And so two profiles. very, very comfortable ah and fitted to the Niederossi idea. We have to see and we have to check if the need of S. Roma to take quite 30 million from Hebran is going to accept this kind of swap deal and make sure that the Niederossi will have
00:28:10
Speaker
ah to to profile for his football idea without receiving some millions to to invest to another player. This is the this is the the question. and We have to check. We have to check in the following days if it will be from the HAZ Roma, the opening to this kind of swap deal. um Just a few quick quick other quick but players as well that have been rumored out. Eduardo Bove, is he for sale and are is Fiorentina close to signing him? I've seen some links. No close, but a lot a lot of clubs are interested in Eduardo Bove.
00:28:54
Speaker
his roma doesn't want to sell him, he doesn't want to go out. But as you know, in the Prosper Max session, everything can happen if someone offer more than 50 million. I think that Bovet can live as Roma and as Roma with this kind of amount can spend and invest in a profile like Sumeray of Leicester or another one. I think that as Roma in the middle of the field needs a play a player like Angisa two years ago, if you don't remember that,
00:29:38
Speaker
choose itsa from the championship, the second division in England.
Player Roles: Pellegrini and Dybala
00:29:45
Speaker
And so also with the and situation of Abram, ah also with Eduardo Bovet, we need to wait probably some a few days to to understand better if someone will going to to offer more than 50 million square Roman. um Eldor Shomorodov, what's happening with him? Nothing particularly. Eldor Shomorodov will leave as Roma. Verona is one of the club interested there in the Uzbekistan player.
00:30:24
Speaker
a He's waiting like at Endofdic in Rome to to reach as Roma in the English um pre-season and plays in England. ah by ah in Probably, from sure there is no space for him in in this kind of project and so we live Rome. And Ebryma Darboe, what's the situation with him?
00:30:56
Speaker
But probably the same. He's training with ah with other players ah right now in England. But I don't think he has the chance to to to remain in this roster. He will go probably alone ah to to take a chance to to grow more. and and then we will see. Not so bad last year in Serie B with Sam Doria, I think he needs to have the chance to to play every every Sunday, remain in his Roma for him. I don't think he's what the the best option for his career. do we have any Do you know of any other Roma players that you think, like Shomurro Dov Darbuje, that have no space at Roma and will be sold?
00:31:46
Speaker
and Ora Solbakken, Rinkardorpe. and
00:31:53
Speaker
yeah I don't know if he we we can mention another player, but probably just two, three. Shomorodov, Solbakken and they need to ah to be sold and probably more ah ah Yeah, Zaleski. I forgot Zaleski. Oh, Zaleski too. It's another name in that probably will live as Roma in the summer. Okay. Well, I want to talk to you just quickly about the starting lineup and formation. You mentioned 433-4231, so I've got two questions there.
00:32:32
Speaker
The first one is about Lorenzo Pellegrini. I've always thought that he's not fast enough, he's not quick enough to play as a number 10 or as an inverted winger and so he should probably they should probably test him to play as a regista or a double pivot. Are there any plans to do this? No. No, because I think that his ah his career is ah is developing developing in his other ah part of the field. but In the 4-3 he can play on the za i left.
00:33:06
Speaker
Yeah, like Mezzella, and 4-2-3-1, like he did the in the national team, he can play in some situations, also with the as a winger on the left. and So I think he's an offensive player, he's not a registrar, he's not a... containing of the possession of opponents.
Season Goals and De Rossi's Tactical Influence
00:33:31
Speaker
I don't think he will play, he will play like a captain, like ah an important player with Roma on the left in the same ah ah part of the field or probably of Lefé. And we'll see, Daniel de Rossi, how to manage this kind of profile and characteristics in that this in this part of the field. And finally about Di Bala, where is he going to play? False 9, winger, number 10, tréquartista, like where's where is he going to play?
00:34:05
Speaker
Bala can play wherever he wants, maybe also like a good keeper. For me, Bala deserves to do what he wants, because he's a fantastic player, level so high, probably with Lautaro and Rafael Liao, the best player of the Alberceria.
00:34:32
Speaker
the The good player the the play of this this this level like Paul Di Bala, he needs to to go on the field ah and looking for the best position for their talent. you can take and handle this kind of talent with the too much tactic or too much ah need. ah You have to he has to play like this talent shows in the in the few seasons.
00:35:11
Speaker
and Falson with the winger, second striker, i don't know I don't know, the importance to have Di Bala on the field. And and also to get Di Bala and Pellegrini to work together because they never could play together under Mourinho, but of course they work better under De de Rossi. um yeah what What are Roma's objectives this season? Is it to finish in the top four in the Serie A and get to the Champions League? ah How will they view their participation in Europe? I'm very curious to to understand the the the level of desire of Daniel de Rossi to
00:35:57
Speaker
make another extraordinary campaign in Europe because ah his Roma was at the final a stage and at the time ah some minutes to go to the final of Dublin but by a level cousin and then get the draw in the um in in Colman and so the the dream disappeared but and probably the most beautiful ice brome of De Rossi we saw in Europe. And so with this kind of particular tournament, ah we have to check ah how much is the highest desire and to De Rossi to make another important season in Europe. Obviously, ice brome has the objective to take place in the fourth row and in the four places.
00:36:52
Speaker
of Syria and my personal desire is to see nice Roma back on the semi-final of Coppitalia, probably also one can also in the final as Roma is a very complicated relationship but with the Coppitalia in the last part. 10 years, so it's time to ah to take back the tradition to the story, because Coppidale has always been a cup, very, very important for us, as Roman history, and i I think that is the right time to
00:37:33
Speaker
to to go back to to play with this right intensity and desire this kind of competition. So, and let's make the the best possible in Copitalia, finish on the first four places in Serie A and maintain. the same level in Europe because as Roma shows in the last three years that euro Europa League, but don't also Europa League. Europa is his house.
00:38:09
Speaker
Look, I think last season for me De Rossi for me the most impressive game of Roma tactically for me that really blew me away was the way that the Rossi at the Olympics completely dismantled Roberto de Zervi, just ripped him apart tactically. Two of those goals were clearly scare me. That was not just Dibala being a genius or someone being a genius. That was literally how he had instructed his players to rip apart Dzirbi. Now, Dzirbi obviously has the defensive deficiencies, but it was really, really truly remarkable to see. And I think that Aussie is building a fantastic career. I think he's going to be one of the top Italian coaches.
00:38:52
Speaker
ah moving forward. um And it's beautiful, like you said, that he he is at Roma now, um because obviously he is, you know, he embodies Roma. I mean, after Totti, you know, um in my lifetime, it's De Rossi that embodies Roma. So
Conclusion and Thanks
00:39:09
Speaker
it's going to be an interesting season for sure. Yeah. um I want to thank you so much for coming, Andre. It's always a pleasure to have you on. If people want to follow you on social media and if they want to listen to you and read your stuff, where do they go? Probably on Twitter, because I use ah Instagram for personal content, and so on Twitter, Andrea underscore DiCarlo, they have the the chance to read some news, updates of Vice Roma, and probably the the chance to to get the link corrected, to hear me in the in Radio Romanista during the match, and also during the week.
00:39:51
Speaker
Well, thank you so much again, Andrea. We really appreciate it. We will be tagging you and and and all your socials on on this post when you push it out. um Everyone else, we will be back ah to tomorrow or on Thursday for a big Seria preview ah audio and video, which will be available on YouTube. But until next time, take care of yourselves and each other. Ciao ciao.