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Episode 239: Turns out we won MLS Cup
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All things considered, waiting eight years to win a championship doesn’t seem that bad. Rather, it was the uncertain nature of when it would actually happen that made it so tough.
Now that we have the mildly elusive Philip Anschutz Trophy in our possession, though, it sure is nice, right? There’s a mild debate raging outside of the Sounders-phere as to how deserving we are. Aaron and Jeremiah essentially dismiss the discussion out of hand, pointing out that how you win the cup is an academic argument and takes nothing away from simply having won.
They also spend a fair amount of time discussing the Victory March, which was just about perfect.
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Sounders' MLS Cup Victory
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Tolson records no one in the middle. Torres went to ground early. Now the cross out to Dore. What a save by Fry. Wow. Uh-oh.
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Roman Torres, thank you very much.
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It's the new champion of the MLS!
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This is episode 239, and we're recording on Thursday, December 15th, 2016. I am your host, Jeremiah Shannon. I'm joined by my co-host, Aaron Campo, and our engineer, Lickit. So, turns out we're MLS Cup champions. That's pretty cool, right? The Senators weren't exactly dominant, but they did beat Toronto FC in penalties with Roman Torres delivering the winner in the sixth round. I don't have a whole lot of opening thoughts, so I'm just gonna open with this, Aaron. How awesome is being MLS Cup champions?
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It's pretty awesome, and I don't think it's going to be the last time. I don't think it's going to be the last time anytime soon, frankly. I think this team could win another one next year or maybe in another couple of years, but there's never going to be another first time. That's super special. The way the city has responded, throwing a parade, making the Sounders the civic focal point for a little while, which I don't think has ever been the case before.
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That's pretty awesome. People that aren't super invested in the sounders aren't soccer fans. Got into it for a little while and if they can convert some of those people, that's great. If they don't convert any of them, at least they'll have a positive association with the team.
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So, yeah, I mean, it's been super cool. I hope that the next time they win an MLS Cup, they take a slightly less circuitous route to get there, maybe do things a little more traditionally by just being good all year and then being good in the playoffs as well. But, you know, this works too. They have the trophy, so yeah, it feels pretty awesome and I think the glow is gonna last for
Defensive Tactics & Community Impact
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a little while.
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So the first one I kind of feel like in some ways almost had to be this way. It had to be the sounders coming from behind. It had to be the sounders you know not necessarily being like leading from the front. They needed to to do it this way I guess. It feels like it took off some of the pressure. It feels like it made
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You know, and maybe the, and I guess in the same way, winning in penalties is kind of the same thing. You get the first one out of the way, and then you worry about maybe how you did it the next time. I don't know that I'll ever be super worried about how the Senators win an MLS Cup, but this definitely felt like a big, you know, a big achievement. In some ways, I guess it's a monkey off their back, but only because they've been so good for so long. And this kind of,
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in some ways legitimizes all the work that they've done up till now. That said, I'm with you. I thought it was pretty cool to see the parade. I had pretty tempered expectations for how that would turn out. I know the sounders were at least mentally prepared for something pretty understated.
00:05:27
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Uh, but I thought that was a, it was a great celebration. You know, I thought it was, you know, a solid crowd, not necessarily overwhelming. I thought you could, you know, I brought my daughter to the, to the parade, to the March, I guess they're calling it. And I thought it was, I thought it was really appropriate and it was a lot of fun.
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Yeah, I'm super, super bummed out that I couldn't make it. And it's one of those things where it's like, I totally understand why they have victory parades, you know, on weekdays in the middle of the day. Like it totally makes sense, but, um, I kind of, I wish that there was another way. Cause, um, man, I, you know, it's, it's something I'm super sad about missing because it did, it looked like a blast and, um, you know, kind of using the trolleys, uh, seemed like a pretty cool, um,
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a pretty cool approach to doing it. And yeah, I mean, it just, it looked like a lot of fun. And I think the turnout was exceeded expectations for sure. You know, which is, which is awesome. You know, I think that we've talked a lot this season, I think about how, you know, the sounders have maybe reached, I don't want to say a wall in terms of growing the fan base, but
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Um, you know, they, they've kind of leveled off a little bit and attendance, they're not setting an attendance record, uh, every season, you know, anymore. So, um, but I think, you know, it showed that, you know, yeah, they're not the Seahawks in terms of their, their fan support. They're not the Mariners.
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but you know they have a pretty huge fan base that's really really committed and really plugged in and really passionate and you know and i think that we've talked about this before as well i feel like the connection between the seahawks and the city of seattle is or the sounders rather jeez i have the seahawks on the brain i wonder why but i feel like it's just it's it's unique in terms of you know the way that the sports teams
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Typically relate to communities and regions, but you know the Sounders feel very much like Seattle's team, and that's not Obviously not to you know say anything negative about people that aren't from Seattle But I feel like you know there's just a link between the city itself and the team that maybe there isn't with with some other teams
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You know, it's funny, you bring up the idea of the Sounders being Seattle's team, and I think that's kind of a theme that we've touched on several times in this show. But it really did feel that way. But I don't know if I appreciated it more.
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before than I ever, I don't think I've ever appreciated it more than I did on Tuesday during the parade. And that was because it felt like a community event. It felt like something that was not overblown. It didn't feel like it was over the top. It didn't feel like it was a crush of people. 700,000 people coming downtown is great for optics if you're watching it on TV. But to be in it,
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You know, whatever the crowd was, supposedly it was 40,000, maybe it was 50,000, maybe it was even a little bit more than that. But whatever it was, it was very manageable. You could move around, you could, you know, at one point I was with my daughter the whole time, I had her on my shoulders for most of the march. And I was able to move from the back of the parade with sound wave, and then I moved up along the trolleys, and then I moved up to the front where ECS was, and it was pretty effortless to move around there. And then at Seattle Center,
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I mean, there was a lot of people there, but we were able to easily just kind of go into the back of the crowd and see just fine the way it was set up was really well. And, you know, I'm sure if the Sounders win again, you know, or at some point, these kinds of events will become bigger than they were. But in a lot of ways, I loved the size of this. I loved it. It felt like a big deal, but it didn't feel like it was too much.
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In a lot of ways, I just thought it was kind of a perfect celebration of the Sounders,
Key Plays & Player Reflections
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and it was true to who the Sounders have been up to now. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a good lens to look at it through. I think that it's pretty easy when you're as hardcore of a soccer fan as we are, and as I would assume most of our listeners are, it's pretty easy to forget that soccer fandom in the US is a niche, even in a place like Seattle, where it's a much bigger deal here than it is in a lot of other places.
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it's still a niche and you know MLS fandom is almost a niche within a niche and but that's part of what I think makes it really special and I know that that could be taken to sound sort of exclusionary or snobby or whatever but that's that's not really what I mean by it there's just a sense of community that you know I don't I don't think can exist for
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like the NFL or baseball or the NBA, you know, I think it's much harder because the scale is so different. I mean, people are just, you know, if you're from around here, you're Seahawks fan kind of by default. And that's not really the case with the Sounders. And so that inclusiveness and that sense of community is part of what makes it really cool and really special. And I think that, you know, sort of the way the response from the city has kind of, you know, it's been cool, but it's, you know, it is kind of refreshing to know that, like,
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We still have our community of Sounders fans, and it's bigger than it is most places in the US, but it still feels comfortable. It doesn't feel overwhelming. I thought one of the points to drive that home a little bit is that at the event, they played that, I don't know what they call that sound that plays before the beginning of the
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the players coming out to the field and it kinda cues up the boom boom clap and immediately all the fans knew what to do they had their hands over their head and the drums started going and and immediately the entire uh... rally was doing boom boom clap and and there was a lot of there's a bunch of little moments that are kinda like that that this is you know clearly the people that were at that rally are very much the same people that show up to Sounders games or their season ticket holders
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You know, I thought it was pretty cool that, you know, Jim McDermott was Congressman. Jim McDermott was there and and he's he's wearing a super cyan Alonzo shirt. And I guess he's been a season ticket holder since the first season. Dow Constantine was there. He clearly is a big fan. I assume he's also been a longtime season ticket holder. This is, of course, the I'm not sure I'm sure what his title is, but he's with the county executive.
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King County executive. There you go. Now, Ed Murray, I'm not 100% sure, is as big of a Sanders fan. He said a few things that suggested that maybe he's not quite as plugged in. But, you know, whatever. That's fine. I guess at one point he said, you're now the world champions or something. And there was like this audible groan from the crowd.
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But in any case, it was just a really cool event. I definitely was not looking forward to it becoming somehow a anti-Portland event, the way that the Timbers Rally seemed to become kind of an anti-Seattle event. But I will forgive Clint Dempsey, his line, just because it was kind of amusing and it wasn't
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totally like anti-portland it was more of like no we're still we're still the best and and I appreciated it I don't know I know some people really would have rather Portland's name not be mentioned at all but I just thought it was a great event and I thought it was really befitting of the of the team and and I guess that brings me into my
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My second point, which was the nature of the actual victory, and I wrote a column that basically made a point that how the Sounders won, how any team wins a cup is literally irrelevant.
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All that matters at the end of a cup final is who's holding the cup, who gets to celebrate, who gets to have the champagne shower, who gets to have the parade through downtown. And really, how you win is just not really an important thing at least as far as the cup final goes because by the time you play another game, there's going to be a whole different team.
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Yeah, I mean, that's more or less true. And I think that it's reasonable to look at that game and say, Toronto FC played better. The Sounders didn't create much of anything in the attack. And the Sounders probably got a little bit lucky. Totally reasonable to say that. I agree. If you want to go the mega douchebag route, like a guy we've talked about on the show before, who I'm not going to say his name anymore because he's irrelevant to me now that that game is over.
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And say you know all that the sounders stole the cup I mean what like what game were you watching seriously Toronto XD Yeah, they put up a ton of shots. Most of those shots were total garbage They had ten shots blocked because they were they were terrible shots They were pretty clearly frustrated by not being able to create anything themselves You know, they had a couple of good chances and you know the the
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Probably what's going to go down is the most remembered play from the game, Stephen Fry's save of Josie Altidore's header. That's a tremendous chance. They absolutely should have scored there. But if you look at the expected goals from the game, I think their expected goals were like 1.1. Yeah, it was right around 1. Yeah, out of, I don't even remember how many shots they had. But it was 19 shots. Yeah, a ton of shots. 1.1 expected goals out of 19 shots is
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not a story of domination by any stretch of the imagination. No, and it's a rounding error towards zero. Yeah. That's how many they add. It is. And the other thing too is that the Sounders didn't have any shots on target, but they had a couple of chances that were actually pretty good that, you know, didn't end in shots that were every bit as dangerous as all, but you know, a couple of things that Toronto created. So, you know, if you want to say Toronto was more or less the better team, I'm totally fine with that. If you want to say that,
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You didn't really care for the Sounders tactics. I don't give a shit, but I think it's a reasonable thing to say. That's fine. To make this out, the Sounders just totally got shelled and we're somehow undeserving winners is just a joke. And I guarantee you that if Toronto scores half an hour, 45 minutes into that game, the rest of the game doesn't go the way it goes. They had a game plan that was pretty clearly
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revolved around trying to spring a counter, but most importantly keeping it to zeros. You know, teams change game plans when the expected game state changes. If Toronto gets on the board, the Sounders are going to open up a little bit more. Maybe that means Toronto wins 5-0. You know, maybe it means it turns into a 3-2 thriller, like I think we kind of expected to see.
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In the end, it doesn't matter because Toronto didn't score a goal. And they didn't score a goal because they didn't create, you know, enough good chances to do it. And that's the way it goes. And it wasn't like they were robbed of a goal other than Stefan Fry robbing them in a more like playing sense.
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Yeah, and people people love to pretend like goalkeepers like don't actually play for the teams. Like a goalkeeper makes a great save and it's like, oh, if the if the guy that plays for the team didn't do his job, this would have been a whole different story. And it's like, well, he did his job really well, though. So, you know.
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And I'll add two things. One is that I think it should be said, the Josie Altidore chance, it should have been a goal in the sense that he got a great shot off, but it wasn't necessarily a great chance. I mean, he was falling away from goal, it was a kind of looping cross, and he made a great play on it, but I don't think most forwards are able to get
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to play.
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that Toronto had and neither one of them were in themselves great chances you know they almost scored on both of them but I think part of that you know the reason they almost scored was was decent play by Toronto FC and so I just don't I don't have any like I don't
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have any sympathy at all for Toronto not winning that game you don't score a goal you don't deserve to win and at that point if it comes down to penalties there is no I don't think there is a deserving winner in penalties it's whoever finishes their chances right and and I and I gotta say Jovan Jones has the biggest balls
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Uh, that was quite a, like, I think when Jovan Jones hit that, that was when I first started believing that the Sounders might actually win that thing. Uh, the way he walked up to that...
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And he just puts it in the upper 90. And then he walks away like it was no big deal. It was just so classic and so perfect. And of course, Nico Lideau ended up doing almost the same thing. But it was, you know, I thought that sounders were as good as they could almost possibly be in the penalty shootout. And I would say they were the deserving winner in the penalty shootout.
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Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, I guess if there ever is a deserving winner, they were probably it. I mean, they had one penalty that was not great. And I don't even think it was a bad penalty necessarily. It just wasn't a great one and the keeper guessed right. Right. Yeah. And I think it should be said a lot of times when the keeper guesses right, it's easy to make an otherwise decent penalty look like a bad penalty.
00:19:10
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think generally if you are putting, you know, your shots on frame and, you know, you're making the keeper work for him, it's not a bad penalty. I mean, unless you, you know, just like kind of roll it towards the goal, but we didn't see any of that. So, um, and, you know, Jovan's penalty was amazing. I mean, that, that sequence of penalties, um, was like an object lesson and how to take them. But Jovan had a tremendous game, but like,
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I think maybe his best ever game as a sounder. He had, I think one or two mistakes
Future Strategies & Team Improvement
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that people wanted to key on, but man, he just, he did so much well in that game that it's pretty easy for me to forgive a mistake or two. And I think he's kind of an unsung hero in that game, because everyone on the back line had to be really plugged in. And he was, he was tremendous.
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Yeah, I would second that. Jovan Jones was, you know, he's not going to get, I think Stefan Fry was deservedly the MVP of the game, but Jovan Jones may have had his best defensive performance that he's had. And that was not, you know, Toronto FC, I think it's easy to look at, again, the Sounders three shots and think that, you know, just offensively they weren't there.
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TFC came into this game again They had scored 17 goals in five playoff games leading up to this they were as much of an offensive Juggernaut as we have in this league and the Sounders kept him to zero legitimately kept him to zero over 120 minutes this defense really Turned up, you know, just became a totally new part of the team you know, you go back to that halftime you go back to the Portland game and and basically over their last I want to say
00:21:03
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12 games total of the year. They only gave up, or the last 15 games of the year, they only gave up 10 goals. They had seven shutouts in that time. That's a pretty impressive defensive record. And if this team can add an offensive piece or two in the off season, that defense is maybe gonna, I mean, I don't think it's crazy to think that the defense might even be better next year.
00:21:31
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You know Chad Marshall I thought got better as the year went on. He seemed to actually get better with Roman Torres as much as I liked Brad Emmons as the center back. I think Chad Marshall played better with Roman Torres next to him. Roman Torres is going to be healthier than he was this year. Jovan Jones I think after kind of a very up and down first half of the season was
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was consistently very good in the second half of the season. And if Brad Evans is the right back next year, I think that's an upgrade over Tyro Mirrors.
00:22:03
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Yeah, yeah, I definitely think so. And I think that Christian Roldan has, I think, really grown into his role, and that's going to help the defense. I think that what we saw down the stretch from the defense is what they're capable of. And I think the important thing, too, is as impressive as it was to hold Toronto scoreless for 120 minutes, they played a lot of other games down the stretch where they were shutting teams out and not having to play so defensively.
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And you know, and I think that that's that's the key thing I mean they can perform it at a very very very high level with a team That's not just trying to keep zeros off, you know on the board and so That's gonna be crucial because I mean, this is a team that I think everybody wants to attack They want to you know, they want to see him score goals there You know, it sounds like almost a certainty that they're gonna have Clinton Dempsey back next year he and Lidera and Morris are
00:22:52
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pretty fearsome attacking core and if you can improve around them and maybe even bring in another DP that's at that same level, that's a terrifying team. The concern, I guess, is it's also a relatively old team and some pretty key spots, but that's kind of the give and take and they're getting younger in other spots.
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Yeah, if you bring in a DP, you know, if you consider that whether or not Morris is a nine or a left wing, you bring in a DP who plays one of those two positions. And presumably if they find someone who's under 30, all of a sudden that, you know, three of your four top offensive players are now on the right side of 30. I mean, Lidero is only going to be 28 next year. Morris is only going to be 22 next year. Clint Dempsey admittedly is going to be, you know,
00:23:44
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Probably and you know getting towards his last year or two, but you know it it suddenly You know you know it's just funny to think about what we were four months ago And how you know who do we have here that we can build around and now all of a sudden? It feels like you know I I you know the I guess some odds came out next year and the centers were I want to say fourth favorites and
00:24:07
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which is a little shocking to me, but I mean, I don't know if I would love to put odds on, I'll take whatever odds you want. I mean, I think the Saunders are as good as anyone going into next year. And I think having the MLS Cup under their belt now, I think that removes so many pressures. It removes so much of the
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You know I think it was gonna be it's really hard for a team to lead from the front for their first cup I think and I think we saw it in 2014 some of the challenges that the team is gonna face Just you know when you're talking about the bigness of it And I can think it can kind of over and I don't think that team crumbled by any stretch you know they were they were eliminated on a on an away goal, but
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I don't know, I feel like this could be the start of an even better run, and it's been a pretty amazing run, and this is maybe something we can talk about later in the show, but I think a pretty compelling argument that even if you just even go back to 2014, you take the three year run that they've been on, and I think you'd have a very good argument that the Sounders have been the best team in MLS over that three years. They're the only team that's won each of the supporter shield, the open cup, and the
00:25:22
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and the MLS Cup. I think they're the only team that's actually won two trophies in that time. They've got one fewer point than the Galaxy. They've got more than anyone else. There's a lot of arguments, I think, to be made that this is, you know, the Sounders are in the midst of potentially a very, very special time. And I think the MLS Cup really kind of ties that all together.
00:25:45
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Yeah, I mean, if this is the start of, you know, a run like we saw from the galaxy, that's pretty awesome. But if it's not, we still won the MLS Cup. Right. Exactly. It's all upside at this point. I totally agree. All right. Well, that's probably a good place to call this. We'll come back and we'll take your questions.
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00:27:46
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Welcome back to Knows Adiatus. Likit, you have what I seem to be a lot of questions. Lots of questions. Lots of questions. Lots of repeat. Lots of questions still. We'll start with SFFC victory lap. She says, aren't you glad we decided to be hopeful? I am. I'm really glad that we decided to be hopeful. It was more fun.
00:28:09
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And I would think that there was a point relatively late in the season where it would have felt really, really dumb to not be hopeful. Yeah, I think we kind of talked about this before the game, but there was no part of me that really felt like the Sounders were going to lose that game. Like, I could be detached and rational about it and say Toronto is probably the better team and they're playing at home.
00:28:33
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you know, they're probably gonna win this game, but I never actually believed that, like, personally. And yeah, you know, that made it more fun. It's funny because, like, the only time I think in that game that I felt any real doubt, like, I certainly felt a lot of fear, but, like, was during the penalty kick, or the penalty shootout,
00:28:57
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And for some reason I was just like halfway through it. I was like, they're going to fuck this up. And I think it was just like all that like suppressed rational thought, like bubbling up to the surface as we got closer to the end, but they didn't. And we won the MLS Cup and that was great.
00:29:13
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I'd like to reiterate that winning MOS Cup is pretty great. Yeah, it's not bad. Not bad. Noted. RWDJR37 asks, I'm so used to panicking, not sure how to feel. Help? Yeah, I know. It's like, where do you go? Where do you go? Where do you go from here, right? That's a weird. You go from panicking to being insufferable for a while, I think is what it is. Right. Or you can panic about not panicking.
00:29:43
Speaker
Yeah. You can go that route. May have other issues if that's the route you're going to go. Juan Valdez underscore asks, what is your favorite storyline of the season? My favorite storyline? I mean, the whole Brian Spencer storyline is just a lot of fun. And I think the, you know, I was thinking about this today.
00:30:09
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And it's a serious question that I want to ask someone, either Garth or Brian at some point, is that if it's... One of those questions you get asked by HR people when they're doing satisfactory workplace surveys is, do you have a best friend at work? And I get the sense that every sounder has a best friend on the team.
00:30:31
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And I feel like, and the reason that they ask you that is not because they care if you have a best friend, but they want a general picture of you are employees like working. Do they have someone else that they work with? They really like, genuinely like. And I get the sense that the sounders, like almost every sounder has a best friend. Of course we know about the
00:30:54
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Jordan Moore and Christian rolled on thing. But I just, you know, I think you can oversell the importance of a cohesive locker room, but I think you can also, you can see the fruits of that. And I think that this is an example of a team that really kind of, you know, they're talented, but they also seem to like playing for each other.
00:31:13
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Yeah, and I think even if it has no tangible benefit, and I think you're right, I think it probably it probably does. But even if it doesn't, it just kind of makes it more fun. You know, I think that once things were turned around, this is probably the most fun I've had like for you know, a stretch of
00:31:29
Speaker
of season and that was you know before the playoffs even and and it just seemed like spirits were really good and and that you know the people on the team are just so likable and and you know seem really invested in the community and want to be a part of that sounder community that we that we talked about earlier um
00:31:48
Speaker
So yeah, I mean, that's, that's made it really fun. Uh, one of the, I think the Schmetzer thing is, is the obvious answer for, for the most satisfying storyline. But I really like the fact that there have been a lot of guys on this team that struggled early.
00:32:05
Speaker
You know, and then it struggled nearing that malaise that really, I think, redeemed themselves down the stretch. You know, guys like Tyrone Mears is probably the clearest example. But guys like Jovan Jones and Jordan Morris, who are young guys who could really, you know, be a part of the future for quite some time.
00:32:23
Speaker
you know who really really struggled to get going and and you know people were calling for him to be benched and and Everything and and you know, they just they really turned into crucial crucial players down the stretch Christian Robons another one of those guys just just seeing people grow into those roles Seeing people, you know have sort of like a bounce back after after some really dark times and some super, you know difficult struggles has been has been super enjoyable for me and
00:32:51
Speaker
You know, and it brings up kind of an interesting little note is like almost everyone on this team had a not insignificant portion of the fan base saying they should be benched at some point this year. You know, you go down the hole. I mean, I'm not trying to think if there's anyone that started. I mean, Alonzo, maybe.
00:33:11
Speaker
was good enough throughout the whole year that maybe he avoided that. But there were even times when people were wondering if Chad Marshall was over. They were wondering if Roman Torres was really worth waiting for. It's amazing. Christian Roldan was very
00:33:26
Speaker
loudly questioned if he should be starting. Jovan Jones, obviously, Tyrone Mears by us many, many times. I think I may have even said there's no way you win an MLS Cup with Tyrone Mears, as you're right back. Which I'm glad to be wrong about. So, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, and I mean, I think really that every player you just listed that people were questioning whether they should be starting, there was a very good reason that people were questioning. Right, exactly, exactly. Which makes it, I think, even more satisfying, you know.
00:34:00
Speaker
We still there? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Uh, let's see here. Thrice Jamie asks, is this the first time the sounders have done something big without rendering a recently recorded? No, Sadia, this is episode out of date. I don't think that's, I mean, I think the last, the last show wasn't out of date, was it? No, I don't think so.
00:34:25
Speaker
But it was nice anyway. It's the reason we pulled out MLS Cup, I think, is because we recorded. Right, exactly. Yeah, I'll take that. I'll take the credit. The sounder at heart bump. SmashlyFCS, it's going to be fun if we get Toronto and CCL, right?
00:34:48
Speaker
It would be fun. I usually root against, for obvious reasons, getting a Canadian team in the group stages of CCL, but this is one of those times where it might be kind of fun. I would still rather not. I would rather not too, but it would be kind of fun.
00:35:12
Speaker
Yeah, not gonna even try again. Had it gone further in PKs, what would the order have been for seven through 10? I guess he's just asking you to guess. I gotta think Mirs was next up, right? Well, who was left? Yeah, I mean, yeah. Well, it was Mirs, Fry, Roldan, Alonzo, and Marshall. Yeah. I would imagine Mirs, Marshall, Fry, Roldan, and Ozzy. Yeah. Maybe swap Roldan and Fry.
00:35:42
Speaker
Maybe. I think Roldan and Ozzy were going to be avoided at almost all costs. Yeah, I mean neither one of them could really move. No. No. ShieldK2 asks, how did Chad's pocket not tear a hole with Josie in there so much?
00:36:04
Speaker
he was he was uh... for the most part marshall had a really good game against josey and you know there was that did you see that physics story on geekwire uh... i did not well i would recommend that people we don't recommend articles that aren't on sunday or very often but go check out geekwire they have an interview with a physicist physicist is that right and he uh... he talks about the physics that went into the save that fry save and
00:36:32
Speaker
and he gives a lot of credit to Marshall for repeatedly pushing Altidore farther and farther away from the goal and that kind of forcing him to take that shot from you know 10 12 yards out like 12 yards out instead of you know eight yards out and how much of a difference being just two far yards out farther made because you know it gives fry that extra millisecond or whatever to to get there yeah i mean i think uh
00:36:59
Speaker
The defensive approach was really interesting because Marshall was generally handling Altidore and Torres was generally handling Jiminco. I would have expected it to be the other way around. Certainly Torres and Altidore had tussles and Marshall made some plays against Jiminco.
00:37:17
Speaker
You know, generally they were, you know, those were the guys they were shadowing and I thought they both did tremendous jobs. I mean, Sebastian Jiminco was the best player in MLS and he did nothing. He did absolutely nothing in that game. Yeah, he had maybe one decent look. He got upset on the sidelines when he asked for a sub. He did. That was what he's most memorable for.
00:37:44
Speaker
ShieldK2 also asks, I'm upset over the lack of candy tossing at the parade. What other improvements can be made for next time? They didn't worth throwing beads?
00:37:57
Speaker
They weren't, there was a lot of things they weren't, they weren't throwing enough things off the parade route for sure. They could try to not run over a cop. Maybe not try to, that's a good shout. A good shout. Good goal to have for next time. You see us travel monkey asks, fave away trip moment. Man.
00:38:20
Speaker
Aaron, what was your favorite? I think when I kicked you in the balls. Yeah. So, um, I had the I, I had, I had, you know, we have, so we have a love hate relationship sometimes with
00:38:37
Speaker
some of the so-called legends of the sounders. But I have to say that hanging out with Alan Hinton on Friday night was actually pretty cool. I happened to go to the team, the team hotels restaurant and Alan was there with Scott Levy who is getting ready to release a second sounders documentary and I'm pretty excited about that.
00:39:04
Speaker
but they were eating dinner together and so I sat down with them me and Spencer Davis from Sunnerhart sat down with them and we were just hanging out and Brian Schmetzer and a bunch of the coaches walk in Brian Schmetzer walks up to Alan and pays him kind of his respects and kind of goes through this whole thing and
00:39:22
Speaker
And Alan says, this guy, he's going to be the next US national team coach. And Brian's like, thanks.
Player Contributions & Offseason Moves
00:39:30
Speaker
I don't know. What am I supposed to do? Like, I have a big game tomorrow. And Alan's like, no, no, no. You're going to be who's going to be if it's not you. You're going to be the next national team coach. And it was just like kind of this funny, awkward moment. And then Spencer goes back to his dinner table where like Tom Dutra and a bunch of other coaches are. And then he comes back.
00:39:49
Speaker
and he brings his wife over and he tells his wife, he's like, what do you always tell me? And she says, that you're gonna be the national team coach. She's like, I don't really know what that means, but that's what I say. Yeah, so that was kind of fun. By the way, your English accent's terrible. Yeah, I was like, I don't know if I was really trying to do an English accent there, but I guess it was terrible either way.
00:40:18
Speaker
Uh, at Meeker, 2253 asks, who on the team are you most happy to see win the cup? Brad, Ozzy, Zacharias, Schmetzer, Fry? I think for me, it's, it's probably Brad, but it's a, I mean, it's a tough call. I love pretty much every player on this team. So, uh, probably cause they just won the MLS Cup, but you know, so, um, but I think, you know, for, for guys like Brad and Ozzy that have been here, um, it's, it's gotta be,
00:40:47
Speaker
Really really special yeah, I mean I'm and I think definitely on Brad and Oz you're the two guys that I'm most happy for Partly because they've been the ones that have been you know no one's ever Looked at the Sounders not winning MLS Cup and thinking oh, this is this is the legacy that Zach Scott is gonna leave He's not gonna win an MLS Cup. You know Zach Scott's
00:41:11
Speaker
Playing with house money. He's been playing with house money for a while. Love him, but he's not a key component of, he has not necessarily been a key component of this team. I don't know, any of the eight years that he was here. Huge part of it, but not necessarily the guy that the team is defined by. Brian and Spencer are probably up there too. And I can, you know, there's a lot of guys on this team I'm really happy for. But I think Brad and Ozzy are the ones that most, you know, I think the emotions of winning were probably the most visceral.
00:41:44
Speaker
Ken Oplinger asks, after his improved late season play, should Tyromirs come back? And if not, who are our targets to backup Brad at Rideback? I mean, I think O'Neill Fisher is a fine backup if that's how it goes.
00:42:00
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's a resounding no on whether or not Mears should come back. And I have to agree. I mean, he played really well down the stretch. He looked a lot like he did last year, I think, down the stretch. And that was welcome. But he's not a young guy by any stretch of the imagination. And he did struggle for long periods of time this year. I mean, if he wanted to come back as a backup for Jeep, that'd be great, because he seems like a great dude.
00:42:29
Speaker
But that's not going to happen. So and I'm with you. I think Fisher is fine. And it's nice having your backup be able to back up both full back spots. That's that's a pretty nice little piece of flexibility to have. Might as well lead into the questions about a couple of questions about like some players were absent from the rally, like specifically, I think Mirrors was gone. Yeah, Mirrors was not there. Kovar wasn't there. I think I heard
00:42:59
Speaker
Fisher maybe not there. I feel like there was maybe one other guy that wasn't there. But Kovar is apparently on trial at Hibernian, is that how you say their name? Yeah. They're in this, they're normally a
00:43:14
Speaker
I guess they're one of the more fabled, they're like that second tier of Scottish teams normally right under Rangers and Celtic, but they're in the second, they're in the Scottish Championship right now. Um, but I don't know, I don't know how serious that would not seem like a great move for, for Aaron unless, like I would think playing in U.S.L. would be better than the Scottish second division, although I guess maybe they're leading the, they're probably going to get promoted. So. Yeah. And I would imagine from Brunian probably pays a lot more than,
00:43:41
Speaker
that's probably true um but we don't we don't know where fisher and mirrors were so i think evans may have made some comment about how some of the guys had made vacation plans like a long time ago and uh and so they just were out of town but that's possible because his family's not here right
00:44:03
Speaker
Right. That's true. That's true. Okay. Uh, let's see. Jeffrey, Jeffrey M. Williams asks after winning the cup this year, what's a reasonable measure of success for Schmetzer moving forward?
00:44:18
Speaker
national team coach. Yeah, national team coach. I think that's probably going to be in a lot of ways, I don't know if I've ever said it on this show, but I've said it before, is that I think the biggest challenge is that Smester's going to face her moving forward. I think this year was pretty easy to get everyone to
00:44:37
Speaker
kind of rally around the idea that there was no time to dilly-dally, that there was just like, either we start winning now or we go home. There's not really, there's not really two ways about this. There's not gonna be a debating of whose way is the right way. It's either we do it the way that I'm suggesting or it doesn't happen, and that's that. There's no time to figure it out. And I think that works great, and I think that he deserves a ton of credit, but the real test is gonna be next year and the year after.
00:45:07
Speaker
And I mean, I think the, the, the bar is he's got to keep making the playoffs. Uh, they've got to be competitive for MLS cups. Um, but I think winning that first one relieves a lot of the need to win MLS cup every year, the way that, you know, it's, it felt like with Sigi. Yeah. And I think too, that a big part of, you know, I think everyone would agree that a big part of the reason that he got fired is, you know, two years in a row and pretty much every season.
00:45:37
Speaker
but maybe two that he was here, the Sounders had big collapses or just like stretches of playing really, really poorly. And, you know, they got really, really bad the last couple of years. And I think that that's, you know, the Sounders are, it kind of seems like you get one, right? Like 2015 was like, okay, you got us into the playoffs and, you know, we finally got past LA in the playoffs. And, you know, so, so that's,
00:46:03
Speaker
You get a pass on that one. But when it happened again, they didn't really hesitate to pull the trigger. And, you know, Brian Schmetzer probably has a little bit more rope than Sigi did just because he just won the MLS Cup. And, you know, we just did the job, too. Yeah. And he's, you know, so, yeah, I mean, I think that but that's that's the bar. I mean, if it looks like the team is not going to make the playoffs, they don't they've shown that they'll move. What I.
00:46:31
Speaker
It's, it's really hard for me to see anything happening next year. Like, I think, you know, he's going to be the coach in 2018, no matter what happens next year. Yeah. Let's see here. Anything new to report as to do they have a new GM?
00:46:53
Speaker
My understanding is that Kurt Schmid has effectively, I don't know if in title or just effectively, but he's been the GM since Andrew Apokowitz apparently went out and pursued an acting career. I feel like that I actually saw something about that. So I don't think that that's rumor anymore. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he's doing. But Kurt Schmid as far as I know is
00:47:20
Speaker
at the very least, filling that role. I don't know if he's officially the jam or not, but yeah, he's been in that. He's been doing that. And then, let's see. What do you see? Shots Fired asks, what do you see happening with Darwin Jones? I had such high hopes for him, and I thought he might get picked up off waivers.
00:47:44
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I'd like to see him kind of get another shot with S2, but he's now got two seasons that he's played with S2. He's no longer. I mean, he's like, I want to say he's going to be 25 next year. So he's not necessarily a young guy.
00:48:03
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what's going to go on with him. That's a good question. I wouldn't be totally shocked if he's back with us too next year, maybe not even on an MLS contract. That would be kind of a tough, I'm sure a tough pill for him to swallow. But, you know, we saw Sean O'Coley sometimes getting away and just getting minutes is not such a bad thing.
Future Signings & Tactical Adjustments
00:48:23
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I think that, you know, the talent is there to a great extent that he could probably have an MLS career for a little while.
00:48:31
Speaker
Um, but it's, it's kind of getting to the point where he needs minutes. Uh, and, and, you know, he, he doesn't need to have the, I don't think he needs to have an MLS contract with the Sounders next year. I think he needs to focus on, you know, breaking through. Uh, and I know I hope it happens and I hope it happens with us too, but we'll see. Oh, and that last question was from JJ Kuzowski.
00:48:58
Speaker
See Andrew Martinic asked what type of player should we target for a new DP in 2017? I I mean I I Think it depends on how you feel about Morris as a winger long term. I Don't love it. I think his best position going forward is you know as the higher striker But if you know if you think he's good on the wing and don't mind him staying there I think
00:49:26
Speaker
You know, a Valdez type player that's maybe better would be would be good. You know, and if not, I would love to see them go for like a goal scoring winger. Someone like Joel Campbell would be great. That's probably a little unrealistic and I don't know if that's really exactly the kind of player that they're looking for. But you know, I think that would be a really nice compliment to this team.
00:49:50
Speaker
Yeah, we were having this conversation in our Slack room a while back and I think someone was suggesting that Morris is better long-term as a winger because he can more effectively use his speed, he can dribble at people.
00:50:05
Speaker
But I'm with you, I think today he might be a better winger, which is funny considering where he was a few months ago in his development. But I think right now he might be a better winger than he is at number nine. But he seems like he can still grow into being a dominant number nine, I think.
00:50:29
Speaker
kind of hope that the Sounders continue to play him there next year and and let him play with a Dempsey type if not literally Dempsey sitting behind him and then have you know and go out and get a DP winger so that's my you know that's my assumption although I've also heard that there's a decent chance I get the sense that there's a more than you know maybe more than 50% chance that they don't actually sign a DP in the offseason and that
00:50:59
Speaker
They wait until the summer again, partly because Ozzie Alonzo apparently is due a pretty big raise. He's going to be making, I think, over a million dollars next year. And so if they make him a DP, they save all that TAM. If they pay him down, they're going to have to spend $600,000 of TAM, which I don't know how much they have, but I would imagine that's a big chunk of what they have.
00:51:27
Speaker
Uh, he, he spoke about Dempsey. He also kind of added, uh, what would be, I guess, go ahead and like, if you can guess on a Dempsey replacement type name. I mean, I, I mean, I, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I guess I'll tell you this guy, uh, Ben Yitter, Yitter, that's at Sevilla right now, supposedly was a guy that centers were after. I don't know if he's totally out of there, out of there.
00:51:58
Speaker
out of their price range. But my God, he's been on fire. And if they could get someone like that, it would be pretty special. And I'll say that Ravi Romini, who is their top or like their their stats guy, is a big Sevilla fan or not. No, he's not. I take it back. He's a Villarreal fan. Never mind. I think Freddie Monteiro, I still I still want Freddie Monteiro to come back. That's I think that's pretty obvious. But I wouldn't be upset with that at all. Yeah.
00:52:25
Speaker
And I think the contracts are kind of ending right around the same time. So. Oh, so you're saying not dems, not Montero right now necessarily, but you're saying like next year. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I mean, I think, I think Dempsey is back. I, it definitely, he's, I mean, there's no question that he expects to be back. Um, it's just a matter of whether his heart actually cooperates or not. Bruce was pretty sure.
Season Reflections & Community Support
00:52:51
Speaker
Bruce seemed like it. You're right. Grouchy Val asks, vacation. Oh, nevermind. We already asked that one. Todd King asks, now that we've won with our aging core, does Garth use next year to rebuild younger? We declined lots of options.
00:53:07
Speaker
I don't think there was anyone that we declined that I was surprised by. You know, you decline options on players that are due big raises usually. So, you know, Andres Avonchitz might not be back, but I don't know if he was really a part of the core. Eric Freiburg isn't, I don't know, I wouldn't be totally shocked to see Freiburg or, you know, who are the veterans that they declined on, Valdez?
00:53:36
Speaker
or I don't even know if they declined about those, but Valdez, Freeburg, Avonchitz. Mears. Mears. I think that might've been it for like the veteran players that were getting actual minutes. I think two of those four guys will probably be back next year in some capacity. I think with Freeburg it depends on, I mean, I know that the plan was for him to come play a couple of years before his kids started school.
00:54:02
Speaker
I don't know where that is, you know? Oh, yeah. His daughter, I will say it was kind of jarring to see his daughter, who I just think of as the kid that he left after the 2011 season to go back to Sweden to have, essentially. She's like, kind of, she's like older than my daughter. But it was just kind of weird, like, oh, wow, he's got a kind of older kid.
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Speaker
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00:55:57
Speaker
Billy Dust asks, what should I do during the off-season?
Off-Season Activities & Merchandise
00:56:03
Speaker
Take a nap, it's not very long, so you have a lot of time. It's really jarring how fast the off-season is on you. Someone was asking me,
00:56:17
Speaker
when a good time to try to reach out to a GM was. And they're like, should I wait till after the draft? And I started thinking about it. I was like, well, if you wait till after the draft preseason starts, so it's like really, it's like between now and the MLS draft. And by the way, there's a bunch of stuff that happens between now and then, but this is like the closest thing to like downtime we have is like this week, like the rest of this week. Tomorrow.
00:56:47
Speaker
I will take the opportunity to say you should use the off-season to get ready for Yacht-Con. Oh! Yes! Good shout. We are tentatively planning for a Yacht-Con reprise. We're thinking in February we'll have more details as they kind of come together, but put that on your pencil and into your calendar.
00:57:10
Speaker
But yeah, so mid-February, I'll let you, we'll go from there. Mid-February is what we're looking at. M. Jalman asks, any word on if a new kit will be out next year? Just add the star or New Jersey entirely. Farewell to Olympic whites. Yeah, as far as we know, there's no Olympic whites next year and they're gonna be replaced. That shirt is gonna be replaced.
00:57:38
Speaker
And I guess maybe the primary shirts also do to be replaced, isn't it? Because those came out the same year. No, the primaries were new last year. Yeah. They were. They did a, they, um, they skipped one year, I think, or they skipped the cycle somehow to make them match up again and something. Yeah. But you're right. They did have new jerseys. But I'd heard that they're actually going to getting new primaries every year.
00:58:28
Speaker
which would be annoying
00:58:28
Speaker
Oh, that one was so bad. MKSTNR, Mark Kastner. Take a percentage guess. How many people who moaned about canceling their season tickets early in the year actually did so? One and a half percent. Yeah, I'm guessing under 10% of people who threatened to cancel actually did.
00:58:57
Speaker
I think most people that cancel are people like me who don't really want to, but kind of have to. But you weren't moaning, but you didn't make a big production out of it. You just realized you had to cancel your season tickets. Right. Right. I think, you know. Did you actually cancel them? Has that ship sailed? That ship is sailed, yeah. But I'm planning on picking back up again. But you weren't an inaugural. You didn't have that 2009. No. No, I got mine in 2010.
00:59:27
Speaker
See, they just opened up the 300 level to new student tickets. Yeah, so that must mean that ticket sales are going okay if they opened up new. And it's the, it's like the, is it, am I correct? And it's this, the section, the, um... It's like near midfield, the... Oh, it's near midfield. Yeah. Oh, okay. But they're a reasonable good price, Aaron. Just saying. Yeah, they're like $24 a game or something like that. Yeah.
00:59:54
Speaker
We'll take this off air and maybe you and I can split season tickets or something. Not underscore Rossi asks, any update on World Cup qualifiers coming to Seattle maybe in June? Does Arena in charge make it more or less likely? I don't think it makes it more likely. I mean the sounders were very confident. I will say the sounders were exceptionally confident at the
Fan Superstitions & Cultural Moments
01:00:21
Speaker
annual business meeting that they were going to get a World Cup qualifier, which they never, this is not an organization that like talks out of turn. And if they are talking that way, I have to assume that means that they are, you know, just a matter of kind of finishing up some details. But I don't think, you know, I never got the sense that Klinsman was against playing on grass overlaid on turf. So I don't know that Arena
01:00:51
Speaker
necessarily helps or hurts. I don't think he's going to be playing on turf, that's for sure. Oh, let's see here. And he also asks, I wore the same socks unwashed to every home game since Houston and during Colorado and during Colorado and the cup game. Do I watch them before 2017?
01:01:15
Speaker
Oh God, yes. That is really... Socks are not one of those don't you keep... No, you better wash your socks, dude. Or just throw them away. Yeah, like, no, don't. Yeah, exactly. I should say that. Don't don't wash them. Throw them away. I think you need to take them. You need to take them to like a mortuary and have them put in the body burning fire.
01:01:47
Speaker
Let's see here. Sounder in SCS. Have you found my pants? Yeah, it was that kind of day. That kind of day. I'm going to say no. Did not. Have not. Tsteige asks, unscripted SSSC player rankings at the rally. Should anyone quit their day job?
01:02:18
Speaker
What? I guess he's uh... I think he's referring to like when they were gonna they were put on the mic and they just say whatever they want kind of thing. Oh man Marshall I gotta say Marshall showed off like he didn't say much but he has a pretty good presence when he wants to be.
01:02:40
Speaker
Hit some dance moves. He didn't show off some quick little dance moves. Emily R. Cummings asks, she has a couple questions. They were all good, so I had to at least get a couple of them in here. Will a Sounders player finally get a cat? I'm sure one of them has a cat. There has to be some. There has to be one. Probably not. Can't blame them. They don't.
01:03:08
Speaker
I think people should choose whatever pets they want. I bet like, I don't know, I bet Jovan has a cat. Jovan seems like he could, yeah, I can see that. I bet Morris has one in the Morris household, I bet has one. You know what, they do strike me as the kind of like old school, like I feel like people have become either cat or dog people.
01:03:36
Speaker
That's so weird to me. That's so weird. When I was a kid, we always had dogs and cats. Yeah, we did too. I don't understand how it's like team sports with everything now. You can't enjoy two things. Plus, if you have a dog and cat, you make the best videos on YouTube. Right, totally. Okay, next question from Emily is, where's the gigantic MLS cup?
01:04:01
Speaker
That thing was huge. I don't know if you could really see it on TV or how clearly, how obvious it was on TV, but there was like a 25 foot Elmless cup that just like hung out. Yeah, it was huge. Yeah, it was, and I don't know, it struck me as very weird.
01:04:22
Speaker
I thought it was awesome. I don't know. I liked it. They should give it to the team that wins, though. They should. Absolutely. Where the hell would you put that thing, though? In your ends? Yeah, you put it on the, like, you put it in, like, you know, where that truck goes, it's entering, like, fuel. It would probably fit in the bed. Yeah, exactly. Probably. I'm sure it would. You get strapped to the top of the Space Needle, too.
01:04:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's another great idea. That's a great idea. Yeah, let's do it. All right, MLS, you heard us. Let's see, your next question, Mike, Emily is, does everyone have their tickets for the Zack Scott Memorial to testimony match? I don't have one yet, but I should probably do that. Can't miss that. And finally, any other post MLS cup tattoos reported?
01:05:19
Speaker
I have not heard. I would imagine that the star on the left hand is going to become very popular though after stuff on Friday. I actually want to get one of those. It did look very painful.
01:05:38
Speaker
have jobs like professional athlete. I don't know. I don't think it would go over well with most people that work. Although if it does, then you have a good job. That's cool. I was thinking about this recently. I feel like
01:06:01
Speaker
Tattoos have become so ubiquitous with pro athletes that I'm actually surprised at how many sounders seem to not have tattoos. Yeah, it's a little weird. I mean, Fry has enough to kind of make up for everybody else. Right. And I think Mears has a lot too. Mears does have a bunch. And Dempsey has quite a few.
01:06:21
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Yeah, there do seem to be a ton of guys that don't have very many, which seems a little weird. Yeah. Even Jordan Morris has tattoos. Zach Scott has tattoos. That was weird. He has a lot of them, doesn't he? Yeah. He's got a big back piece, I think.
Personal Anecdotes & Closing Remarks
01:06:40
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Tropic Sounders asks, what should I name my multiple father children all due in 39 weeks? Stefan, Brian, Osvaldo, Nico, Roman, and? Jordan.
01:06:51
Speaker
Jordan. You can name him Jovan. Jovan. I think Jovan's a good name. You should be the first one to name someone Jorston. Oh, yeah. That's the answer. I think that's the answer. Yes. Jorston for sure. Jack underscored Lord asks, where can I find Puget sand poutine? Like there's the poutine. Yeah. Uh, well, the,
01:07:20
Speaker
The place that is probably most known for it here is Skillet, but I don't think they have the best. There's a few places in Capitol Hill, there's a few pubs in Capitol Hill that have poutine. I feel like poutine is not super hard to find anymore. There's actually a place in the Armory at Seattle Center that does, they don't call it poutine, but it's essentially poutine.
01:07:45
Speaker
It's like a fry shop there that does poutine-like servings. I think there's a food truck that does poutine, too. I think you're right. Well, skillet does. Skillet, yeah. I thought there was like a poutine truck or something. There probably isn't somewhere. I mean, poutine is, I was surprised that there was a handful of people that made it sound like they didn't know what poutine was. And I feel like if you're in Seattle, it's become pretty ubiquitous on menus here.
01:08:16
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But I had some really good poutine in Canada, in Toronto. Which apparently is not even... I didn't even go to the good places. I just had it at random places. I mean, it's one of those things where it's like...
01:08:32
Speaker
It's gravy and cheese curds on french fries. Right. It's hard to not do it right. It's hard to mess that up. No, maybe they're like levels, but I don't know. I think sometimes people are just like snobs about food for no reason other than to be snobs. What? I know. It's crazy. It's a crazy thing to say, especially in Seattle. What? Yeah. Let's see. Nick Payton asks, I'm still cold from going to Toronto. What should I drink to warm up?
01:09:01
Speaker
Hot toddy. I was going to say a hot toddy. It's a great drink. It's a great drink. So I have a hot toddy story. Can I share it? Sure. So it's a crazy story to think about now because we should have been in jail. But my freshman year in college, I think, we were driving from San Jose to Tahoe, which is like a five hour drive and it was like storming out.
01:09:24
Speaker
and we were in a jeep and the driver and the passenger were both smoking bowls and we got pulled over and the highway patrolman clearly smells what's going on and he's like you know you guys i get it
01:09:47
Speaker
You're on your way to Tahoe. You want to throw back a few hot toddies. But you can't do that. And he let us go on our list. He's like, you just got to be more careful. And he let us go. That's insane. It's a really good thing you're white. Yeah, I was just thinking about this the other day. And that was exactly my thought.
01:10:09
Speaker
19 year old kid gets caught drinking like there's open containers in the car and I'm pretty sure they were literally smoking bowls like there must have been very strong scent of marijuana and And the guy was just like oh Kids yeah, that's shouldn't do that It was definitely a privileged movement. He wasn't he wasn't in his car going pull over pull over No
01:10:37
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Okay, Nick Payton's gonna finish us off with this last question. How many more stars will we have in the next eight years? Eight years, that's a good timeframe. I mean, that's around how long I think you, well, maybe not quite that long for Ledero, but close to it. I wanna say at least one more maybe, I think I'm gonna say two. Two is a reasonable answer, I'm gonna go with four.
01:11:03
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Woohoo! I like the way you think. Nobody's gonna remember it unless they win four MLS Cups in the next eight years, so. I'm gonna say eight. Because why not? Yeah, same principle there. Yeah. Just, wow, go for it. Good for you. Good for you. I like that. Alright, well, that's the show then? That's it! Oh man, that was not good radio. That's a good thing it's not radio. Alright, well, uh,
01:11:32
Speaker
Congratulations everyone, we're MLS Cup champions. That's really good. I feel really good about that. We're gonna own that. I feel much more motivated to record quite a few shows this offseason, usually in this show.
01:11:48
Speaker
I do like a semi farewell because we don't know the next time that we're gonna be recording and it's the end of the year and we like to kind of end it on that note but I don't I uh I feel like we're gonna probably end up wanting to record more often than we have in the past but who knows either way it's been a great year uh we will be and I think
01:12:11
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we're gonna count on yacht con coming up in february that's gonna we're gonna make that happen one way or the other i'm putting a lot of pressure on myself now but i've been resisting committing to it but now that there's this mls cup that
01:12:26
Speaker
is out there. I feel like we need to live up to that. Anyway, it's been an amazing year. It's been great getting through another year with Aaron. Great having Lickit on board. We had a lot of Richard Farley on this year. I'm sure Richard Farley will be involved in some way in Yacht-Con. I would imagine Richard Farley will continue to be involved in the show.
01:12:47
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So it's been a really, it's been a big year for us. It's been a fun year. And I want to thank our sponsors especially for sticking through us. Verity Credit Union, Queen Anne Acupuncture, Full Pole Wines, Constellation & Company, Designers Marble, all of them have been really great. And it's great having them on board, great having our guests. And I'm Jeremiah Shan, signing off on behalf of Aaron Campo and Likit. This is No Saudi at This. Remember, you'll never yell.
01:13:17
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Green Douglas spur where the waters cut through. Mountain wild mountains and tangents you flew. Canadian northwest to the ocean so blue. It's Roll On, Columbia Roll On. Roll On, Columbia Roll On. Roll On, Columbia Roll On. Your power is turning our darkness to dawn. Roll On, Columbia Roll On.
01:13:49
Speaker
What's good? Hey guys, I'm Chad. So happy to be here. Share this moment with you guys. We love you. Let's win another one!