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Behind the life of a painter with Marina Tziara
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On this podcast we have featured YouTubers, influencers, photographers, videographers, public speakers, activists, musicians. It’s time to talk with a painter. With me in the studio is Marina Tziara. She had one of her exhibitions at Grenoble, in France. And this is how I met her.
In today’s episode we will talk about the journey of a painter. The difficulties of being in the art industry. In addition to that Marina will share with us some insights about her latest exhibition - the preparation behind it and the process of being in a gallery collaboration. Are there any hidden stories ? Let’s find out.
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Introduction to Changemaker-Z
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Introducing Marina Tiara
00:00:45
Speaker
Welcome to today's episode! On this podcast, you'll have to search YouTubers, influencers, photographers, videographers, public speakers, activists, and musicians. And it's time to talk with, yes, you guessed it right, with a painter, with maybe studious Marina Tiara.
00:01:00
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She had one of her experiences here in Grenoble, France. And this is how I met her. In today's episode, we will talk about the journey of a painter, the technical discipline in the art industry, and in addition to that, Marina will share with us some insights about the latest exhibition, the preparation behind it, the process of making a gallery collaboration, and so on. Marina, welcome to the show, so nice to meet you.
00:01:24
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Hello, nice to meet you guys. Thank you so much for having me. It's my pleasure to have you. So let's begin.
Marina's Early Inspirations
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What was your motivation that led you to become a painter?
00:01:35
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Well, my motivation. I guess I always knew I wanted to become a painter, wanted to become an artist. Since I remember myself, I just wanted to be a painter. And there was not a moment when I said I wanted to become something else.
00:01:56
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I have kind of this stupid memory when I was a child. I remember I was with my mom, my grandmother, my grandmother's house, and, you know, just let us do my own things, yeah, with my sister. And I was always painting already.
00:02:14
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That was one of my two favorite things. Like all the times, I mean. Yeah. Fading already. So I come back with... I remember I was very, very young, like five, I don't know. So I come back with the sketch of a bird that I've made. And my mom was like, the beauty was trying to tease me, you know? She was like, oh, come on, why would you stop just painting and, you know, do something else? You know, all the time with your markers and stuff. So I got so offended.
00:02:43
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Why you said that to me? Well, you know, if I hadn't been painting all the time, I wouldn't have been able to make such an amazing design. And I remember I was impressed by my own... This became your motivation, I think. I guess, yeah. And also, like, my mom helped me as well, you know, they put me to art classes and stuff. And to be honest, they were always very, very supportive, you know.
00:03:08
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in my family. We have some other artists as well as a painter and you know it kind of runs, I don't know if it runs in the family but you know it's not a conventional family where everybody is like a lawyer or a doctor you know. So it was not weird to have somebody who wants to become an artist. Who wants to get into the arts in general. I see.
From Engineering to Arts
00:03:30
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So what comes to mind when we talk about studies in art and what is
00:03:35
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People come from different backgrounds, I guess. I took more traditional one. Although I started studying something else, so I was studying civil engineering. I didn't know that. And then while I was in this...
00:03:56
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I tried to get into the School of Fine Arts in Athens twice and I got rejected. But I really wanted to study art and I wanted to leave Graves of course.
00:04:10
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I went to a place I went to travel. And so I did the Rasmus, the Canary Islands, with my civil engineering university. I'm embarrassed, but I know nothing about civil engineering, but otherwise. And then I won a scholarship. So I won a scholarship, I won a competition of NED, is La Universidad de Estancia in Spain. I was already, I had already learned Spanish.
00:04:36
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And I went to Spain to study fine arts. So you will prepare it I guess. I will prepare it.
00:04:42
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about the studying part and about, you know, moving abroad. And yeah, I just studied fine arts in Seville. And years later, you know, years later, I did my master's in education, in Montessori education, but years later, because I was already, I had been involved in teaching and I was interested in those, like, alternative methods. And activities. Yeah. And years later I did my master's, but my, like,
00:05:12
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My studies with art was fine arts, University of Seville. And of course, some things I learned as well by doing my internship. I was kind of a slave, an older painter. And I learned all the hacks. This is what an internship is. You get experience from that. But there are things that you don't learn at school.
00:05:36
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Of course, it's just theory at school. Yeah, it depends on the school level, but to me it's quite classic. France as well. I'm in engineering, everything is theory, but they require you to do some type of internships during your years. Because they do understand that things that you learn at school, it's not at all what you're asked to do in your life.
00:06:07
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Yeah, of course. But for me, mine was not obligatory. I kind of chose it. But it was what you wanted to do. Yeah, and I have the teacher who knew this guy, this old artist, and he kind of recommended me and I learned how to actually make my canvases. I was making them for him, you know? Yeah. But it's useful knowledge. Of course. For a painter, of course.
Collaborating with Galleries
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:31
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I always was curious, how did you manage to build collaborations with art galleries? This is a very nice question. I love it. Maybe the most difficult one. It's the most difficult one. And it's what everybody wants to know. There's also another question everybody wants to know. How do you make money? It's like the first question. Well, it's the next one. The next one! Well, with galleries, not only. Actually,
00:06:58
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It really depends on many factors. In Spain, it was a bit easier for me. I mean, a bit easier. Because since I studied there, I had... First of all, my first exhibitions were not in galleries. Because me, I went with all of my ego.
00:07:17
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of a 20-year-old away with my ego and my shit portfolio to some galleries in Spain. I was like, hi, I just wanted to have an exhibition. And everybody was like looking at me like if I was like an alien or something. Of course, nobody wanted me to exhibit there.
00:07:36
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I had no portfolio, of course, and so I started exhibiting. My first exhibition was in a bar in Spain, in Seville, and actually I made a big collaboration there. I have a painting that is in the European Union because I met a guy who asked me to paint something for him and he works in the committee of the region, you know. But the thing is like then,
00:07:57
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You know, you start doing exhibitions and my first gallery, a teacher, a professor of mine recommended me to the galleries and I had an exhibition there. And I mean, there are different ways because sometimes you just
00:08:12
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You know, you win competitions, open calls, which the business has never happened to me. I've never won anything, like an open call or something, apart from this one. Maybe it's because there are similar competitions to any category, but all these competitions have some application fees.
00:08:32
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Yes, some are for free, but there are some... I think the ones which are for free, it's totally difficult to win them. And the ones that they are paid, the more you're paid, it's more possible that you get the award. Yeah, but also like you, there's a lot of competition, you know, where many artists that, you know... In every aspect, you know.
00:08:55
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And I don't know, sometimes it's luck, so maybe what I was doing when I was applying, it was not, you know, it was not contemporary enough. I don't know, but I never won a competition. I just won the residence in Spain. But to be honest, then I had, you know, I was meeting people and...
00:09:12
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I had in one gallery and then I had a friend who knew... I tell you, I have a friend who his... her grandfather is... he's the ex-husband of Dona Sommer. Okay. So, in Germany. So he was... he's a painter, so I had an exhibition in the gallery there, you know, in Munich. And then this is how I started, but to be honest, I've been exhibited in many places
00:09:37
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in galleries, but also in other places, like cooperatives, restaurants, private shows, the municipality. So it's not only the gallery, but the gallery gives you prestige. It can guarantee some sales, of course, but also if you shouldn't be as an artist, in my opinion, you shouldn't be limited.
00:09:57
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just exhibiting galleries because you will never exhibit, you know, just exhibit whatever and try to, you know, make the world see your art. This is what I think, but it's difficult without the gallery to... It's difficult without the gallery, but it's not possible to promote ourselves nowadays.
00:10:15
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It's difficult if you don't have sales skills, I guess, you know? And also if you don't know many people and if you are an introvert, you know, it's not my case. I'm not an introvert, but... I can confirm that. But, yeah. I see. Yeah, yeah. Hopefully it wasn't an obstacle for you, the fact that, okay, you didn't have a portfolio, but then you met the right people at the right time and they helped you too.
00:10:44
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For your dream, more easily than others. Yeah, but also, you know, I just, you know, I did a shitload of work. Of course, yeah, you did the art part, but not, you know, the sales and all the connoissements part. Unfortunately, there is no recipe, you know?
00:11:05
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some people just exhibit in bars and stuff and one day they have a good gallery some people never exhibit in galleries and they just keep on living and keep on selling and you know some people want to win an award and then they boom they just exhibit in museums and some people exhibit in museums and they want an award it's crazy there's no recipe you know and this is
00:11:25
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This is like so stressful when you are young and... And not as mature. Yeah, even now it's stressful, you know. Sometimes I wake up and I'm like, what am I gonna do with my life, you know? Oh my gosh. You burn out literally. Okay, so let's go to the crazy question.
Addressing Artist Stereotypes
00:11:45
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Can a painter maintain himself or herself, you know, only from these art activities?
00:11:53
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Maybe this is only a stereotype, you know? I don't know why this stereotype exists, but I think that this is the same for all the arts. Maybe for a dancer, maybe for a videographer, but nowadays this has changed due to the YouTube era. But I think that this stereotype exists that a painter cannot maintain himself. So what do you think about that? It's like, first of all, it's people, I mean,
00:12:22
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In spite, I was never asked this question, how do you make money? Because when you're surrounded by artists, I was surrounded by dancers, I have very good friends who are flamenco dancers, musicians, like performers or even visual artists like me.
00:12:37
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They never ask you how do you make money, you know? And I was kind of in a bubble, and I was... I started being asked these questions here in the United Kingdom because, you know, all of my acquaintances are 18 years, you know? Yeah. And the people who are not in this sector, in the art sector, so the first thing that I ask is like, is this your real job? How do you make money? And then again, I was so fed, and I was like, of course it's my real job, you know? But the thing is like,
00:13:06
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First of all we need to, in my opinion, we need to separate
00:13:10
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We need to not monetize art, you know? We need to separate making money that is your real job. And I always say, let's take a person, child, who is like an apple baby, you know? He comes from a big family, you know? It's not my case. I mean, I tick on boxes like, you know, maybe it's less family than the father. I tick on all the sad boxes, but it's not my case. But a person who has a lot of money and he just decides,
00:13:38
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or she to become an artist, you know? So he's just exhibiting and making exhibitions or performances and stuff. And of course, the money that he makes is not enough for him to live from it, but everybody assumes, or you know, you know, Pierre, you know, he's an artist. And nobody asks him, how do you make money? Because he keeps on making art, but, you know, he doesn't have to think about
00:14:05
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you know, his income. But everybody assumes he's an artist because, you know, he's an artist, he makes art. And then let's take Maria, that Maria comes from a middle-class family and she has to work as a waitress, why don't she mix her art, and to compensate. And so suddenly everybody asks her, what's your job? She's like, I'm not, okay, but it's not your main occupation if you are also a waitress, you know, or you are also a teacher, or you are also, because she has to support her art with this, you know.
00:14:35
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So, yes, it's our main job. Yes, because we can't do anything else. It's not something that we choose. If you want to become an artist, you're an artist, you have to make money. You live for that. Yeah, exactly. But money, if I make money, yes, no. It depends. It depends. Me, I've been here since paying, I was just living
00:14:56
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by my art, which means I was just selling paintings and I was also doing some merchandising with my art and I was doing some just punctual workshops and there have been years that I was teaching as well, like part-time and I kept on going with my art thing, you know? So I was always an artist
00:15:23
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It's like the same, like you make paintings, you make a painting in 2011, I made a painting in 2012 and I sold it last year. Was I an artist then or now? It's when the money comes that you are an artist, you know? So this is a very big question, but me?
00:15:40
Speaker
I mean, yes, my principal activity is the art activity, of course, but when I arrived in France, and I was not speaking the language, in confinement, I had a big problem. Artists, you know, we couldn't exhibit it, we couldn't look, I didn't have a gallery, you know, two years to find a new gallery, because of all this. Of course, I went back to teaching, and I kept painting, I kept creating, you know, and now, I mean, it's great, but it's never, I mean, unless you have a
00:16:08
Speaker
A shitload of money unless you have financial backup? You never know, you know? If you have one, that's good for you. If not, to have to work hard at every start is a tough one, I think. It's the same thing when you start a company, to have to invest money on this. Exactly. You have to invest time on this, right? This will work out in the end. But if it works out, that's great, that's perfect. If it's not, either you find a solution, you're trying to
00:16:36
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you know to live from what you want from any you know scenario and I think that what you're explaining to us right now it's it's not only the case for painters but it's also like for you know latest musicians or singers there are many people with many talents
00:16:57
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But since there are so many talents, they cannot, you know, just sign from the whole mass of people.
Challenges in Art Pursuit
00:17:05
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And so they start making content online. But even this is not enough at all. So, like, they need to work, you know, as a waitress, as you said, or whatever. But also, the thing, the only difference with, like, visual artists, like painters or sculpture, is that
00:17:27
Speaker
you can make, you can perform in different places and you can just let's say make some money to get through the day I'm not saying that this is what you want you know but at least it's something more tangible you know when you have a sponsor everybody pays 10 euros and that's it you know
00:17:46
Speaker
with us it's like not everybody can pay 3000 euros for a painting you know and sometimes you need a lot of money investment you know like to just paint a painting you know of course if the painting is big you start with like 300 euros just the canvas just the color so this money if you don't have them what are you going to do so then you will have to
00:18:06
Speaker
like start painting things more commercial thing just to sell which is not my cup of tea and then you're frustrated and then you're frustrated and then you have anxiety and then you are like all the tormented artists and maybe disappointed for no reason exactly so if I
00:18:24
Speaker
Sometimes you just need some money to invest and if this van doesn't come from your family You just have to do something else. Maybe teach art, you know many many artists do that. Maybe me in Greece I was working a little bit at the theater as well as a stage designer, you know, or even in Spain I did some collaborations like that. So, alright, that's why I started teaching also and then I got involved. You get involved with that. Education, you know But
00:18:51
Speaker
You know, but I think people should not get discouraged because but it's very easy to get discouraged You know, especially we work a lot at home alone in the studio So it's not like you're sharing a lot with many other artists It's not like you go to a jump session or something. We just work a lot work a lot work. All right, and Sometimes it's you know, it's frustrating Sadly things don't progress, you know, yeah, I see.
Exhibition in Grenoble
00:19:19
Speaker
Let's move on to some of your most recent exhibitions here at Grenoble. Which was the subject and inspiration behind it? So the one that you visited, my exhibition was called, it's called, sorry, Silona, Madonna's. And actually the inspiration are women that I've met like during my whole life but also the past few years, you know, after
00:19:19
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Yeah
00:19:48
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COVID and so on. And it was the idea of like representing the mother with a child and also having a look at motherhood from a different perspective. And I think it was something that
00:20:05
Speaker
I had it inside. I'm not a mother and I don't want to become one. Okay. My choice. Of course. But I really want to explore this idea and connect it with femininity and with feminism of course and with sisterhood.
00:20:25
Speaker
And I got really, really, and I'm getting really inspired by different women. And I know it sounds like a cliche. It's not cliche. I think that's the best moment to present things like that with the world. But yeah, if it's, you know...
00:20:43
Speaker
As a person, I don't like when, you know, we are surrounded only from this idea because at the same time, maybe another someone will say, okay, why you think that, okay, maybe we will pass to exactly the other limit of life that, you know, women are considered best from the men. So we need to be balanced. But I think that we are balanced in this period of time.
00:21:14
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For me we are, from what I'm seeing on the internet and what we're producing here at the broadcast. I think that there is this equality for, you know, which is, you know, there isn't the best gender. But I don't know for, I don't know for possibilities or, you know, for, I don't know.
00:21:34
Speaker
I think we don't even, I mean, we need 300 years of distance to even have ADHD. So I don't even want to talk about equality. But at least I think nowadays more opinions and voices can be heard.
00:21:52
Speaker
That's the idea. Yeah. What are we doing here right now? Yeah, exactly. But also we are going very backwards in different, in other different sectors. Like what happened now at the States about abortion and all those things, you know, that no rights are grounded about women. And I think, I mean, I was always very vocal about it. But now there are actions. Yeah. And I mean, I think everyone should do
00:22:23
Speaker
whatever she can, but especially after what happened to me three years ago, I suffered an aggression and I almost died.
00:22:38
Speaker
Sorry for that. It's okay. It was an aggression for my ex-partner. Things really changed for me. I was always very vocal about manifesting and supporting women's rights. But especially when you survive something like that, you're like, no shits are taken anymore.
00:23:09
Speaker
So that's why I chose to do this exhibition, you know, because I wanted something to, you know, it was kind of a statement, you know? It's a statement and it's a strong, you know, subject. And everyone, you know, I think that everyone would appreciate to maybe to read an article for Familyism, for Sisterhood, or even to see visual art, like the one that you created. And I think that this is the most important thing.
00:23:39
Speaker
You have traveled a lot. You've studied in Spain, you come from Greece, you love to visit Brussels, I think. So why have you chosen Grenoble to build your life?
Relocation to Grenoble
00:23:50
Speaker
I know, I'm gonna tell you why I chose Grenoble. I chose Grenoble because of Iman.
00:23:56
Speaker
And this is how my feminist myth is going to get blown up. Okay, so I wanted to move out of Spain because I felt that my circle was closed there and professionally and personally, of course.
00:24:16
Speaker
Probably because I was living in the south and severe and I was kind of tired of, you know, although I was exhibiting, you know, a bro all the time. Yeah. And I traveled for the art, for my art, but I wanted to, to leave the south of Spain. And I was, so also I was getting divorced because I was married, you know.
00:24:38
Speaker
this guy and so everything happened just I wanted to go to Brussels actually because my you know I have friends there and my best friend lives there and I didn't have I wouldn't have to learn French and they speak great English there I speak great English so I wouldn't have to learn another language but you know like I made my plans but it was not what happened because when I was getting my divorce
00:25:04
Speaker
I suffered this aggression. Yeah, of course. So my life was at risk. And I met Aurelian, which is my, he is my partner now in life. So it was the confinement and it was everything crazy. And with, you know, I couldn't be alone and I didn't want to stay in Spain. You need people to support you. Exactly. So I just, you know, we just drove
00:25:29
Speaker
pure confinement after we were confined together that's four months we have been in one date and then we look confined together okay yeah so then we drove five months this sounds like a movie but it's great it's great to see exactly in real life i think it's like my whole life it's like a movie no that was a good one you know now it's a good one i think yeah it's a good one yeah so i just came here just to try you know
00:25:54
Speaker
And you stayed? And I stayed after I moved my whole studio and stuff during the second confinement and then during the third confinement of my studio here and stuff. So I stayed and now I learned French, so it's good. Was it easy to integrate to the French culture and lifestyle?
00:26:11
Speaker
I mean, for me it was not a problem. I think... You have already stayed abroad, so you already know. Yeah, and also, like, you know, French people, I don't know. I find many, I mean, of course, we are different in many ways, but also I find many similarities, you know. The food is good, you know. Of course. The wine, you know. But it is a fact we were discussing before that Grenoble is nice, but...
00:26:38
Speaker
for my taste is lacking some underground contemporary art scene. Yes, because Grenoble is a city that's literally based on sciences. It was the first city in France that started a computer science program. And I think that arts are missing from that city. You know, like there's a lot of... because I have a friend who's a violinist, so he's not good about classical music here as well.
00:27:03
Speaker
contemporary painting, not that much. But, you know, I mean, you can just have a base and travel around, so it doesn't mean that you can stay here forever. Yeah. But that's why I'm here. That's great.
Self-Promotion Strategies
00:27:21
Speaker
How do you self-promote your work and exhibitions? I mean,
00:27:29
Speaker
You know, during COVID, there was a lot of fuss and a lot of... People put a lot of weight on social media. Yeah. On online shops and stuff. And to be honest, I was... I fell into the trap as well, you know? Because we have nothing else to do, you know? It's like, you just get bombarded by, you need to have... I'm like, where did you need, you need, you need, you need? And I had before, but all of a sudden it became like insane, you know?
00:27:58
Speaker
So that was very stressful. But before that, you know, it's just like the traditional way. You just send emails, you just make flyers, you just invite people that know something and you know, and then you just, you know, you just, you can, you can promote yourself without social media.
00:28:20
Speaker
Nowadays, it's very difficult, but I realize that we shouldn't put our entire efforts on social media because it doesn't work. And yeah, your work, it's physical work, you can say it, so someone has to be more personal connection with you and the art. Exactly, yeah. Also, I know it sounds a bit... How can I say that?
00:28:47
Speaker
I sound like a daydreamer or something, but it's, you know, we should have faith and trust on people, you know. And you ask, you know, a friend brings a friend and then, you know, you just, we should continue having human connections, you know. Having said that, if you check my Instagram, I make five stories per day.
00:29:09
Speaker
But this is the goal, to have real human connections and distractions. Would you consider, like you said before, that you did some work subs and you tried to merchandise and commercialize a little bit your art, but would you consider yourself to become an entrepreneur?
00:29:32
Speaker
and part of your art, part of your painters to create, you know, a collection of hoodies or stuff like that and sell them online. I've done it in the past and I had a company, it was called Egotakia, it's a Greek word for kittens, not very commercial.
00:29:54
Speaker
And we were doing badges and magnets, and we were also doing fine art prints and stuff. We had a line shop, like on Etsy and stuff. And then we had some sailing points in Spain. And it went well. It just needs a lot of management. And somehow what happened to me is you get a bit lost.
00:30:21
Speaker
Because it's, you know, it's merchandising, so you need to sell a lot, you know, to make money out of this. And all, and you need to, at the end, you need to have somebody who knows how to... How this works. How to do it, how to promote it. How to do it, how to make it and make it works. Yeah. And if now that I can choose, I'd rather put my effort to finding somebody
00:30:42
Speaker
who can promote my paintings or my workshops, then just the merchandising. And for me, I think I could have kept going, but for me, it was not thrilling. But I tried, I did it, and it was a variety. You should try things. And it was very time-consuming. I see. Are there any upcoming events
00:31:12
Speaker
Yes.
Upcoming Exhibitions and Projects
00:31:14
Speaker
Hopefully I can say yes. If you have asked me last year, I was on my bathroom floor crying in a fetal position and say, what am I going to do with my life? No sos book. Because this is the life of an artist or you have no sos book or three sos in one year.
00:31:34
Speaker
But I don't think it's very common, you know? So yes, I have actually I have my exhibition now, you know, it's at the end of March. And I started collaborating with a very nice gallery in Cyprus, it's called Sifida. And there is a collective show in March.
00:31:55
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with six of my paintings. And then in September I have a solo show in this gallery and it's gonna be the Madonna series. I'm gonna close this series in this gallery. And then in November I have another show and I just booked another collaboration with
00:32:20
Speaker
with another gallery, but it's actually a project. These collectionists, they have been collecting paintings of all the expressionists, unknown, you know, and they want to exhibit them and create a dialogue with the contemporary artists.
00:32:36
Speaker
and so this is gonna be with me so it's gonna be so interesting yeah based on that and actually he sold some paintings at the galleries now that he went to Belgium and we booked a date for the 3rd of November for the opening but it's gonna be completely different because it's gonna be like what happened now in Pompidou with Mitchell and Monet it's a dialogue between me that I'm contemporary artist and you know the only question is you know so I'm very excited this is these are photo script shows your dreams come true
00:33:08
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Every single day, every single year. When I was a child or a teenager, I was always dreaming of becoming an artist and having an exhibition in Paris. And I had very good exhibitions and very good galleries and very good places. But not at Paris, at least for now. I had all those doors. But in very nice places, you know, that the shows were amazing and stuff.
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And last year, I had an exhibition in Paris. And the place was a very small, dark place, like a cooperative slush bar. It was nothing fancy. My paintings, you could see them, but it was nothing like a big gallery and stuff. So during the opening, for me, I got so emotional because it was my childhood dream.
00:33:57
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You have an exhibition in Paris, and no matter what other exhibitions I've done before, like in big galleries, me being there with a glass of champagne or wine and seeing my paintings in Paris, it was like, this was my dream come true, you know? Because when I went to Spain to become an artist, I was like, yeah, I'm doing it. This is my goal. This is what I want to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dreams of Paris Exhibition
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And it was kind of, you know, it was very important because I was faithful to myself, you know?
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Like, but the exhibition in Paris, even though it was one of the smallest that I had, you know, it was the most important for you. It was very important for me because it was like this little girl of, you know, 14 years old. She finally saw her, you know, I'm having an exhibition in Paris. I'm an artist. Here's the ice with power. Cheers to that. That's the proof. Period. Last question. If you could live anywhere in the world and
00:34:55
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Not the Grenoble. Yeah. Where would it be and why? Okay, I'm gonna fall into the trap telling you a place that I've been and I love it. I've never actually lived there, so I think I would choose Budapest. Because I've been there twice and I stayed like almost a month both times.
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And I had this massive vibe from the city, you know? And I don't know, maybe I was too young. Maybe I was, it was just the moment. I don't know, but I had this, you know, this, I have this thought that I want to go back and live there, you know?
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And I think it would be Budapest. And it's crazy because when I moved to Seville, I had dreamt of Seville in my dreams, but I've never actually, you know... Visualized yourself. And it was like, I want to go to Seville. And I just moved to Seville and at the end I was planning on staying two years and I stayed for nine.
00:35:52
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You know, so sometimes you used to listen to your gut, you know, so maybe it's just, you know, move to Budapest for some period of time, maybe just to experience, especially since in our work we can, you know, have a studio work from wherever we want. But now I'm telling you Budapest, also Berlin, but I've never been. So I think I've kind of idealized Berlin in my head, you know, because it's a contemporary city, you know. It is. But I've never been.
00:36:18
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Many things happen to Berlin actually. I don't know but if you have seen a Netflix short movie it's called the billion dollar code and actually the idea is that
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The Google Earth or the Google Maps that we're using today, if you're painting art and using all the stars and the globe and the ideas that you can travel the whole world through the maps and the satellite images, it was thought it as a art contemporary project with visual artists and a programmer. And they were from Berlin, they stayed Berlin, they
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while the company is running on balance harvings of awards for art and for telecommunications. The billion dollar code. And then we found out that Google took the code or at least
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And we commercialized it. So they were in court in 2018. This happened, it started in 1985. It's, what was it, 30 minutes ago? It's a lot. And they lost the court. But I think that people learned that exist something similar to what we know they would have.
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Theravision in English, Theravision in Japanese. But I think that this is a real example.
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welcome so I think that we have reached the end of this episode we had such a great conversation with Marina about another aspect of fun with this painting I would like to thank Marina for being with me here today
00:38:25
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