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C2 Ep. 158 Slaughterman's Legacy Chapter One
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What do we do with the sins of a father?
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Transcript
Podcast Introduction
00:00:09
Speaker
D20 radio, your game is roll.
00:00:47
Speaker
Hello and welcome to Ever On Your Need, an actual play podcast set in the Ever On Campaign setting. I'm your Game Master, Eric. I'm Phillip. I'm Trevor. I'm Randy. Jeff. Welcome to another episode.
Recap of Last Episode
00:00:57
Speaker
Gentlemen, what happened last time? We talked, we decompressed, we debriefed, we deloused, we...
00:01:07
Speaker
Raynor got a date. We defied the odds. Milo went home to mommy, as I understand it. He was still invisible, scared her. Yeah, that was the last episode. Unpacked what had been happening in this arc through this point. And then, yeah, Raynor got a massage and a promise of a date at some point in the future without setting a firm date. And Oliver and Eris talked, and that's where we left things was Eris and Olive having a chat about
00:01:35
Speaker
The circumstances, but I wanted to touch base with you all at this point. We've hit you all still waiting on Tarvel to get back to you on the whole Dreadhold thing. It's been like three days since you talked to him, so it's not really.
Concerns About Boromar Clan
00:01:49
Speaker
It's supposed to have a meeting with Coldor or something. Yep, you have a meeting with Coldor. You also need to touch base with the Warband. We established that it was evening time
00:02:00
Speaker
when we wrapped the last episode, but I'm fine. Just, you know, if you all didn't have anything big that you wanted to do with the rest of that day, you all were just gonna go home, then we can go to the next morning. But I guess that's the question. Was there anything else that you all wanted to do to wrap up that very long, no good day?
00:02:20
Speaker
I'm more out. Milo's just, whoo. No. Hob, as soon as Hob dropped Raynor off at wherever he's staying, he went to wherever Hob's staying and crashed out hard and took his one wound back, he gets for something. Right, we only get one wound. Has Raynor just kept his apartment, like in Lower Memphis?
00:02:38
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. No, that's fine. Arthur needs a place to be. Yeah. Does anybody know? Why would the Boromar's necessarily know where it is if you didn't walk on the chair? Someone knows, because remember they broke into my apartment and stole stuff. I thought it was your relative, though. Not a Boromar. Someone got a hold of your knife to murder you. Yeah. And... Jace? Who was the one who I found in my room?
00:03:01
Speaker
Ace wasn't in your room. Ace was in the apartment of the guy that got killed. Oh. Back in the theater arc. Not my apartment. No. In an apartment. Yes. In an apartment. He's probably been in several apartments. I think I had mentioned it before but I thought Milo in this time frame had possibly been trying to convince his mom to like get out of town for a while.
00:03:25
Speaker
Okay. So the Boromar, he's concerned that they might try to use her to get to him. Okay. So I just thought he's probably been trying to convince her, go visit a relative, go to passage or someplace to Auntie Clementine's. I don't know. You get to determine it. So you can know if you want it to be Auntie Clementine. Okay. There it is. Bingo. Okay. So yeah, Miley, you get back that evening and come through the door and your mom is sitting at the table reading a book.
00:03:55
Speaker
and she looks as you walk in. Are you okay? I'm quite fine as to be expected. And, Mother, why are you still here? Milo, I'm not gonna go anywhere. They're not gonna do anything. It's fine. What makes you so confident that they're not going to do anything? Your father and I served this clan for many years, and I'm not worried about it.
00:04:24
Speaker
You served the clan for many years. I know you think it's bad, but it can't be as bad as you're making it out to be. Suddenly the door bursts down. The door bursts in? Yes. And the door says, where is he? Mother, they think that we killed Satan. And they are definitely after us. At some point, they're going to come calling. Who thinks that you killed Satan?
00:04:51
Speaker
Have you not heard? Have I not already told you? Specifically, I know that you're saying the clan thinks that you killed Satan, but who within the clan thinks that you killed Satan? Oh, don't answer me.
00:05:07
Speaker
Yeah. I think Mara is Satan's wife who you established wasn't convinced. No, she doesn't. But I'm trying to think of on the... Yeah. The Lyra. Yes. The most concerning one would be a Lyra. And she is
00:05:37
Speaker
From what I understand, exceedingly furious and has decided that we have done this foul deed and she will not stop until we are dealt with. Alira's mother wouldn't let her hurt you. It's fine. This is the same thing you said the last time and every time. What makes you so certain
00:06:04
Speaker
that this would not happen. That they would not use you to get to me or come after me. Give me a perception check, Milo. I have a perception somewhere. I forgot to pull my thing up.
Milo's Heritage Revealed
00:06:19
Speaker
He's going to be one red, one purple. One, two. They're canceled, aren't they? Yeah. You got some advantage. I have advantage. Milo's not very perceptive.
00:06:35
Speaker
Yeah, Miley, you just seem to feel like your mom has strong faith that you're all service to the clan affords you some level of protection. And that's about as far as her line of thinking goes. What would you like to do with the two advantage? Give myself a boost on a potential other check? Sure. Give a passive boost to yourself later on in the conversation. Sure. Yeah, if I can get to where I can roll again. But she closes her book and kind of
00:07:04
Speaker
If it will make you feel better, I'll go visit my sister. Up on the train, I'll go for the weekend. That would certainly ease my conscience a bit. A weekend is better than nothing. I wish it could be until this matter is finished. When's it going to be finished? That is undetermined at this point. So you just want me to
00:07:33
Speaker
get out of your life for an undetermined amount of time? No, I want you to be safe. I just, I don't understand why you're so calm about this entire situation. What, it just beguiles me. Milo, I just have faith. Just faith. And the community that we've built here, give me a, give me some kind of social check, Milo. Charm? Sure, I'll take charm.
00:08:03
Speaker
Charm your mom. Oh, my charm's better than that. I think I'm too yellow and a green now. This is all vapor right here. You want me to take time and pull it up? You can start doing that, Phillip, when we're playing. Oh, I know that it's better. Oh, it's better than that. I'm pretty sure. I think I have a plus 15 to my athletics. One thing I know is my proficiency is eight. Come on, pull up there. Oh, man, make me sign in. I'm usually ready for this. All right.
00:08:34
Speaker
Nope, it's still working. Perfect. Perfect. And this is my mom. And I already got a boost. But now this is my mom. Do I get another boost? Because it is my mom. I'll give you a boost. Difficulty is going to be just one red. And you failed a check already. You don't know what you're trying to say. So. How many of those are ours? Four. I think that could do a yellow. Yep.
00:09:03
Speaker
I will beat my mom. I'm starting to learn this game. Please. Yeah. Yeah. Yay. One, two, success, and two advantage? Three advantage. Two success, three advantage. Four advantage. Four advantage. Four advantage. You want a crit on your mom? Yes! Take my mom's head right onto the floor. What? OK. So she takes a breath and kind of closes her eyes for a second.
00:09:33
Speaker
Milo, I had promised a lot of people that there would be certain parts of your connection to the clan that need to be kept secret. And that is what I'm telling you is that you will be fine and you don't need to worry. But if I tell you that will put you in
00:10:03
Speaker
more danger than you potentially are in. If you tell me, what could you possibly tell me that could put me in any more danger than I'm already in? Yeah, it feels like we're approaching the danger ceiling. I can't tell you what I can't tell you. We're already in all the danger. Sit down. And your mom gets up and walks over and
00:10:32
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pulls a kettle off and pours two cups of tea towel before Trevor corrects me. Trevor forgot it. Trevor knew one time. And she sets a cup in front of you and sits down and looks at you like very intently Milo and says, do you want to know? You're old enough obviously to not have any kind of
00:11:01
Speaker
Milo, you're 37. You're a man now. The voice and that statement, I was like, what a thing a Jewish mother would say to her adult child. She sounds a lot less like George Costanza's mom than she used to. Well, I'm trying to tell her back and forth. George, you're softening. Milo, you can continue the path that you've been down and know
00:11:28
Speaker
that the elements of your life that you don't know and accept that, or I can tell you, and then the burden will be yours instead of mine, which I don't want that for you, but I will give it to you if that's what you want.
00:11:46
Speaker
You always do this to me. I'll just be disappointed. Do we have a 10-sided? I do. What are we doing? You do it. You leave this to Chandler. You're gonna create your mom. I'm trying to think, it's his mom. Yeah.
00:12:01
Speaker
No, I get it. Yeah, I've talked to my mom before and I've been thinking of telling me. I got a nine. You do not express to us what that meant to you. So that means you got a no. Nine for knowledge. Yes, higher's the better. That's how I always do these things. For the yes, anyway. If it's been a burden to you, maybe it's time now that it should be a burden to me. All right. And she takes a sip of her tea.
00:12:32
Speaker
My involvement with the clan started when I was fairly young. My family was in it. And so I met your father through the clan, through our time together working. But your father unfortunately was not my first love. So there was someone else when we were both young working closely together and found out that I was pregnant.
00:13:01
Speaker
but his father did not feel like politically marrying me would be advantageous enough for the clan. So the clan told me that I could live in comfort and safety under their protection insofar as I did not reveal to anyone. I know that Mara knows, don't know that Alira does.
00:13:29
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don't know that Pico does, and she just looks at you. That's just putting my life together, and how Satan has treated me throughout my life. I don't think
00:13:57
Speaker
Do you have to say any more? Yes, she does, Randy. Yes, she does. She has to say it. It needs to be on record. That has to be. I can't think of why else you would be so sure that I would be OK. I am correct. Am I not? Yeah.
00:14:20
Speaker
Satan was your real father. I knew it! How old was Satan? Didn't seem that old. No offense. Like I say, that explains quite a lot. Well, I thank you for telling me, and you seem to think that knowledge is going to put me in further danger, but
00:14:50
Speaker
I'm thinking not if I tell no one. But you're the rightful heir. You're the eldest. The throne passes to you. The meat... I don't know. Go be king crime.
Meeting with the Warband
00:15:07
Speaker
It's a game of thrones. Oh, shut up. Take up your father's cleaver. Oh, gosh. I do like a good slice of meat.
00:15:19
Speaker
Like I said, Milo, I think it'll put you into danger if Allira doesn't know and she finds out because then you become a much bigger threat. And it might very well be why Viggo was so antagonistic towards you as he may have found out somehow. I want to be very clear though that Satan is the man responsible for you
00:15:50
Speaker
being in this world, but your dad, he never begrudged raising you. He loved you wholly and earnestly. He was my father. Yes, and I loved him. He was a good father as you've been a good mother, so he's always my father and always will be my father. Just trying to figure out
00:16:16
Speaker
all the trouble that could cause with me being Satan's son. It will only cause as much trouble as you let it. Or solve as much trouble. I, your father and I, when we were working in keg bottoms and kept you in keg bottoms and we fought you on you going to work for the clan. We wanted you to stay
00:16:46
Speaker
work in the bar because we wanted you to get our family out because we weren't able to. It's part of the reason why I didn't want to tell you is I didn't want you to feel like you owed anything to them. That you could be a keg bottom and that be enough because you're not. You don't have to be a boar.
00:17:17
Speaker
would they even allow me to be a Boromar? I don't know. I don't know. They wouldn't allow you, which makes me tend to think that they certainly wouldn't allow me as the offspring of that union. And frankly, it's not something I'm sure I would even want.
00:17:40
Speaker
You're a grown man. You can make the decisions that you want, you can lead the life that you want, you have for some years now, but you not wanting to be in the clan, I know it would make your actual father very happy. Yes, I know. I was quite headstrong. Well, I think it's very late. I'm gonna go pack.
00:18:10
Speaker
Just for the weekend. Just for the weekend. It'll be a good trip. You deserve it and you need it. I wish I could go with you. And she kind of stops and you could. And she walks out of the room. I have friends. Okay. Anybody else have anything they'd like to do in the evening? Eris and Olive get drunk. Yeah. Falsely. Fair enough.
00:18:39
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I guess if he got something to work up, I'd love for Hob to find out who his dad is. Hob goes to bed. I can't imagine Hob and Ray don't have any sort of heart-to-heart. Wait, wait, wait, wait to get a date there. I'll get out of my high car. Okay. Next morning comes. Hob, this is the day that you're supposed to go meet with the Warband. Is that the intention or? After having slept on it for a night, he's... Yeah, let's just be done then. Okay. Are you gonna...
00:19:09
Speaker
Bring anyone else along? Raynard said in the last episode he would go with you, but I guess I put a call out on her sending, so I'm just saying, hey, I'm going there at X. If you would like to go, let me know. Milo's, he's going to go with Hob. Sure, go. Already on the way. Yeah, we all go. Cool. You all meet up at Ruska's Roost at what time?
00:19:38
Speaker
I think you all met early afternoon, so probably similar. Probably the same. OK. We probably go somewhere else to eat first. No, we have to eat, don't we? He forces us to order. So never mind, we go hungry. We'll order. No, it is nice. The food was good. The place was nice. That's right.
00:19:54
Speaker
Yep. Okay, so you all enter. You see a few more hobgoblins sitting around eating as you walk in. As you all walk in, there's a lull in the conversation. They all turn and see you all entering and then they turn back to their food. Yes, yes, I remember. And... As I recall, the food was marvelous last time we were here.
00:20:16
Speaker
Weren't you high last time, dude? Yes, yep. Just making sure. Explain his view on it. You do not see the warband anywhere, yep. You're saying Gothic, yeah. Yeah, Gothic, thank you. He's the owner, so yeah, he's here. But Gothic sees you all walk in and points meeting up there. Thanks. And we go up the stairs, are they...
00:20:42
Speaker
at a large table for all of us, or are they at a table at all as a meeting room? So you see the door open for the meeting room that you all met in last time. You do not see the warband, but you do see the tiger just curled up in the corner sleeping. Awesome. And it opens an eye and looks at you all and raises its head.
00:20:59
Speaker
and sighs and puts its head back down. I don't like being dismissed by the tiger, but I'm also thankful to be dismissed by the tiger. After a beat, Gothic comes up and drinks water. Thanks. I don't have a name for it, but Eris orders whatever the really strong caffeinated beverage is that Darvool drink.
00:21:25
Speaker
I'm taking a hail. I was waiting to see. We got a whole day ahead of us, man. Just water. And gothic. Disappears. At least I charge for it. Oh well. I like water. It's early. Isn't it mid-afternoon? I like water. Doesn't realize you're not talking to him. You're being so weird about it.
00:21:52
Speaker
Yeah. After a second comes up with two waters is drink that is just.
00:21:58
Speaker
It's like that paint that absorbs 99% of all light that bounces elsewhere. Yeah, it's really thick, like Turkish coffee kind of thing. Yeah, where they just have the grounds in it. Milo, he puts a dargoon fire ale in front of you. It's not on fire, but something will be. It's a full-bodied ale with the, like, spice, like cinnamon and stuff like that. It's just a ghost pepper floating. I kind of think Milo may know what it is. Food.
00:22:27
Speaker
Did I get a move? Eris repeats her order right from last time. Eris knows what she likes. I got away with a rotisserie ticket last time, didn't I? Or something of that? That was the other place. We had to order off menu. Same thing I got last time. I liked it. Same. Milo orders what Eris ordered.
00:22:47
Speaker
I think, honest to God, I think that's what you did last time, which you did. Oh, yeah. OK. Rainard ordered whatever. I know there was a seafood dish. Someone ordered mushrooms in mushrooms last time. Rainard got the mushroom dessert after having the mushroom meal. Let's do some mushrooms. Sure. I don't remember that. So yeah, after your food is delivered, the war band enters and sits down on the opposite side of the table from you. And in regards to you and the leader, Rukat, looks at Hob.
00:23:18
Speaker
Is it done? We are eating. We did wait for them to finish it. Yeah, it's taken care of. Is he dead? Boy, do we have confirmation of that? Yeah. He went into his fort. I feel pretty confident that he's... If nothing else, he is missing an arm that was left behind. Yes, yes, he is dead. Make it not true.
00:23:48
Speaker
Thank you for your service to our Warband. This makes you square with those that you owed that seeks our services. But you were the one that did the work. You were the one that did the effort. So we are honor bound to repay the debt at a time that you require. They owe a debt to your honor. You have a favor.
00:24:13
Speaker
I get that. He looks confused. I'm trying to think of much of the several thousand things we might have taken off of our plates. A big thing at the end. I assume this is the sort of thing that he can cash in at a time. It doesn't have to be now is what I'm saying.
00:24:40
Speaker
Otherwise that's the rest of this episode We're gonna go to dinner still honor about to repay your debt so we are covering your tab for lunch I Appreciate that that is certainly
00:25:02
Speaker
a boon for us, knowing that we have your back. You have our back when we need you, one time, explicitly. Actually, he means Tamu. I don't think Hobb tries to repeat it. I think Hobb points it at you. That's what he means. If you need us, let Gathok know. He knows how to get in touch. And as our business is done, we will leave you to your food. And then they get up.
00:25:29
Speaker
I really appreciate you letting me do the comedy bit where like one phrase gets followed by six sentences. Subtitle. Yeah. And as they all stand to the tiger gets up and lumbers past all of you. I just needs to be said again. Very cool. Tiger. The one that clearly is next to the tiger and they have an orange just tint to their skin. What's it you warmly? Thank you.
00:25:55
Speaker
And they scruff the tiger as they leap. Tiger stops. That was big.
Raynard's Family Pressure
00:26:00
Speaker
Next to Milo and just, and some of the blacksmith goes into its nostril and keeps walking. That was weird. I'm not going to think about that too much. I don't know what that meant. This tiger doesn't seem to approve of your debilitating issue. City threatening problem. Now I want to know what it smells like.
00:26:24
Speaker
And that is the range of our reactions to things I Suppose we finish eating. Yeah, the food was not bad last time in a teary game as the warband leaves I thought Gothic walks in and looks at you all desert Eris orders the noon again
00:26:45
Speaker
The noon was an appetizer. Oh, I thought there was like a... There's a sour pudding that was the mushroom pudding. There was the nisar nut pastry and the banan delight. Oh, she definitely orders the banan delight. Which is a custard. Like a banana split. I'll have that pastry, please. I'll have the mushroom thing. S-O-L. And he like looks, since you ordered what you had last time, he looks at you and just shakes his head as he walks out.
00:27:14
Speaker
My man loves mushrooms. I don't know what you're not picking up on. We've been saying about him for years. He has a really good recipe with snails and mushrooms. I remember that. When he brings up the desserts, he also has a small cup of steaming liquid accompanying each dessert and he sets it down and
00:27:38
Speaker
The Warband told me that you all have done them a kindness and a favor, and that celebration is an honor, so with your dessert is wool tea. Thank you. Is this where you say, to-to-voo? Yes. To-voo! Almost. Right there. He leaves. Yeah, man! I know. So who's drinking the tea with their dessert? Everyone is- Do I know anything about this tea?
00:28:02
Speaker
you would probably know it's an herbal tea served hot, it's very soothing, it's a common drink right after a battle that's designed to bring breathing rate, heart rate, it's a relaxing tea. And because of that functional element, it then became symbolic of after a job well done, you do it as a way to just chill out and relax. Additionally,
00:28:32
Speaker
People report having very vivid dreams after drinking it. Not like crazy dreams, but just very enhanced dreams. Eris takes a courtesy sip of it, but it's not drinks a whole cup. So Milo, seeing Eris, because he's been watching Eris every time they come in this place, he's okay. So he takes a sip, finds he likes it. Yes.
00:29:00
Speaker
Brainard, you drinking? I mean, if Hobb likes the way it tastes, he's going to drink it. I feel like we're being baited into it, but sure. Just wanted to know. I'm not noticing what Eris did with it, frankly.
00:29:11
Speaker
Okay, anything else that you all want to discuss before you leave Ruska's Roost? What's up with your father at this point? I've spoken to him in a while. He's still, like, on some sort of hook to murder someone important. Yeah, I'm sure. He's still dead set on that. Wait. Did you see? He's on the hook? I know he's on the hook. Yeah. Let's move away from pronouns for a little bit. Yeah. Oh, I see. Callister is not on the hook. Callister. Calveir. Calveir.
00:29:37
Speaker
i don't think let's go back to protest so no i think i'm the one i tried this character and it screwed it up
00:29:44
Speaker
Calveir wants Reynard to do it. Yes. And the order comes from Calveir initially. Okay. That's just why I wanted to make sure I was right. I think. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. As far as we, yes. And then the woman, too. Right. No. Oh, that's right. She doesn't, she's not going to care for it. There was discussion about you potentially going to her and selling your dad out or just killing your dad. There was a lot of potential murders. It just seems like we got to just not do it.
00:30:14
Speaker
will not kill her and I'll kill him. I don't feel like we have to kill either one of them. Or both. If, if we don't kill her. For good reason to kill both of them. If you don't kill her with the sort of, I'm not gonna do this proclamation, what's going to happen to you? I'd probably die. I don't want, of the people who possibly die, he's top of the ones I don't want to have. No, I'm not saying, and we just ignore it. I'm saying we could, we could not kill her and then
00:30:44
Speaker
not let someone kill Raynard.
00:31:02
Speaker
not unfavorable honestly i couldn't ask for much more than that yeah i think much more than that and we would have concerns bud you okay yeah i mean it is it's your
00:31:16
Speaker
Problem, how do you want to handle it? She's given me no reason to kill her. He's given me several reasons to kill him But he's also given you several reasons to kill her But one of them is killing you most of them is because I said so no 10,000 gold pieces for every member of the crew and a place at the right his right hand at the table for house the Ronnie or feeling
00:31:39
Speaker
I could probably still have all that if I killed him. If I didn't get caught. Frankly, if you killed him, there's a chance you could become the table. Head of the table. That's how it works. No one wants that. I'm not the head of the table. Yeah, do you want more power in your house?
00:31:58
Speaker
Power, yes, responsibility, no. Lay that away. Is that an option? Well, I think my brother would do far better than I would. Would you be kept? Would that be something you would like? You're having power and no responsibility, an option? It seems like you've quite successfully just been rich without any responsibility in the past. Or frankly, skill. And with power comes great responsibility. That's what I heard. Someone should write that down.
00:32:24
Speaker
I just, I got it. Very eloquent. I feel like I crocheted on a throw pillow once. Is that your mom's house? Isn't that crocheted on a throw pillow on your mom's house? On the pillow it says with great power. Great responsibility. Have I to decide now?
00:32:39
Speaker
No, I just, although didn't, I don't remember, did he put a deadline on this? He didn't give him a deadline, but he did say, spend your time, but don't test my patience. But it's been a minute, right? It's been some days since that conversation. Yes, I fully lost the concept of time with this life. I know, but I think it's been at least a few days, I'm fairly sure. Yeah, it has to have been. It took us a few days to go from meeting with the Warband to getting down the ground. Yeah, that's true. Down on the ground. So what is your father's general timeframe? A week? Two weeks? A few days?
00:33:10
Speaker
He probably would have wanted to know by now. And how does that align with the time frame that Solomon Callaway gave you of giving him some sort of information? Or else he might kill you. That was a long time ago. Who are so killable, apparently. That was at unity dinner, right? Yeah. So that was right before everything went sideways in our lives. There's I guess there's a chance that you could have fed him something
00:33:38
Speaker
I would assume so. Or we can sit here right now and think of something you can tell him. He wanted information about more. And surely he's aware that we're no longer in a position to give him useful information about more. Was that pre-murder? Yeah, that was the dinner party. You left that party to find out. That's why, in the middle of him saying, give me information Eric was like, Satan's been there for 12 minutes. I do recall this. So that's probably. So give him that information. That's probably null and void. Yeah, I think we probably don't have to worry about that for now.
Milo's Leadership Potential
00:34:07
Speaker
I feel like, also, I feel like we do still have to worry about it because we're not dealing with reasonable people. That's true. I wouldn't mind killing Solomon Cattleberry. No, I'm very in favor of that, actually. So many times. Your standards for when someone is killable are confusing to me.
00:34:27
Speaker
Easier like when I want it to happen. It just comes and goes and I need to bring up again that when I Had that interesting experience with Alternate alternate alternate heiress that I was specifically told not to kill him and
00:34:51
Speaker
As soon as you say alternate heiress, Hob puts a finger on the table like, stay here, please. Don't leave this time, please. You're prime heiress. Right. No reasoning, just as I was leaving that ethereal plane that I was told, do not. I think it would be fair to operate inside of that constraint until we absolutely cannot. Just in case.
00:35:23
Speaker
Yes, I would agree. I'm not saying that we don't do it. I'm just letting everybody be aware. That was what was conveyed. Do we need to... Do we need to take a minute and figure out... All right. We've got Raynard's father's issue. We've got the Dreadhold. And at some point we either have to exonerate ourselves or neuter the bore of ours. That could...
00:35:52
Speaker
I slept on this last night. On what? It touches the bench. It's hard, man. Yes, it was very hard. And I found out that I know it's going to be hard to understand how I could possibly be in any more danger than I am now. And by my being in even more danger, you also follow that same line of thinking. I'm in so much danger. Yes.
00:36:40
Speaker
I don't want the Boromaz to use her as leverage against me or any of us. Smart, great. And she's been very resistant until last night. I just pressed enough that she conveyed to me that... I just don't know how to say it other than to say that... Satan was my father. And as a result of that, whoever else knows this,
00:36:47
Speaker
I think there's a point of diminishing returns on more danger.
00:37:10
Speaker
will probably, I would think it would make them more persistent in seeing at least my demise, if not all of us. I know it now. I feel that you should have a right to know. I know it now and I don't feel more persistent about killing you. That's good. I'm going to pretend I still don't know it. Think of it as a multiplier and you're already at zero. It might not have been. You're near zero. But wait, doesn't that create options?
00:37:40
Speaker
I'm not opposed to just danger. I'm not sure. I tend to think not because... You all jumped into comfortable with this real fast to start thinking of the angles. I'm a bit taken aback personally. Did you say Satan Boromar's your father? Yes, exactly. Exactly what I said. Apparently, he was my mother's first love and...
00:38:09
Speaker
Politically speaking for the Boromaz, they were not going to allow that union to work. But she was already with child. Hey, but are you okay? That's a lot to learn. Yes, I'm still trying to process it all. I know you were close to Satan.
00:38:34
Speaker
Yes, and it explains a lot about... And it was a real bummer when he died then. Now that your dad is dead again, how do I do this? Are you okay, Milo? Yes, I've already been through the grief I would have had about Satan. Learning that he was also my father didn't really shock, yes, but not really causing me to grieve any further for that. My father, Kegbottom,
00:39:04
Speaker
He's my father, always has been my father, the only father I ever knew. So I think in that aspect I'm dealing with it okay. But as far as what Eris is talking about options, I'm not sure. I tend to think that
00:39:26
Speaker
if you're alluding to the fact that maybe I could possibly head up the Boromar Clan. One, I'm not sure that I would want to. Two, I'm not sure that it would be allowed. They didn't want my mother. That was quelled. So I doubt that they would allow me unless I just forcefully decided to take it.
00:39:50
Speaker
Yeah. So you all remember had that meeting with Koldor and Verla a while ago, when right after, when they were trying to arrest everybody over Jason's death.
00:40:12
Speaker
The one where you really went ham on benefits. He put me on the spot. Suddenly I was allowed to just ask for whatever I wanted and what he was saying is that from the perspective of the lanterns it's really just very important to them that Illyra not be in charge because they think she's going to create chaos and cause a gang war and so
00:40:41
Speaker
They were looking for an other option. Yes, but they don't realize that other option could be locked away in the Dreadhold. I mean, they probably do note that she's locked away in the Dreadhold. Right. Because they locked her away. Right, they don't worry about that. But I'm saying... And the reasonable conclusions, she's still there. Right now...
00:41:02
Speaker
when we meet with him, we're supposed to, we're gonna have to have a conversation of, hey, this person who you arrested for murdering a couple of dark lanterns, that's our best pitch for who should take over the clan. And I'm just saying, you're a different pitch for who should take over the clan.
00:41:27
Speaker
Real quick, insofar as Hobb would care to bring this up even, but just reminding Jeff the player, Dorla's conversation with Hobb where she laid out
00:41:37
Speaker
Oh, yeah. The prophecy, Milo would still follow there under the umbrella of no-nos, because a Lyra, like that generation, a Lyra, a Vigo, like they're the red flag, so Milo being Satan's son would still be an issue in regards to the prophecy. Whether or not Hob gives a crap about that. No, I was thinking about that. I had misremembered as being a Lyra, not that generation. It was if the next generation. Okay, okay, okay.
00:42:01
Speaker
Cool. Here's the thing. In the interest much, I'm sorry, alternative heiress is warning. What do you want? Look, we're gonna keep talking about her. What should we call her? I don't know. I don't know who she is. Paris was the first thing I thought of. But I don't know. They did refer to her as heiress. It's very strange. Regardless. As long as we're giving equal weight to all things. Doorless prophecy.
00:42:30
Speaker
continues to preclude Milo from being the leader making the whole Dreadhold thing yeah but the option that's probably just right yeah probably my understanding is that it is a one of several interpretations for some inscrutable verse yeah
00:42:58
Speaker
But also! Which is still just an inscrutable verse, because it's not like that person, like, knows the future, right? I've seen a lot of things done by gods and monsters in this world. I don't want to discount any of it out of hand right now.
00:43:16
Speaker
but also a lot of things done by monsters i don't know about god all of the things that i'm willing to let go nor this thing is definitely the first yes i will abandon the prophecy before i let us kill solvent callaway i suppose if we're ranking things and then i just don't know what to do about you pal he looks at rainard i think we just have your back where it is
00:43:42
Speaker
I'm not going to kill your dad. But if you decide that your dad needs to die, I suppose I'll be there. I will be there. I suppose I'll do what it takes to whatever. I started and I just, I faltered hard. So I guess it's over to you. Yes, quite.
00:44:03
Speaker
Personally I think someone managing this organization What we know is? Satan wanted to go legit, right? Yes Do I don't know? Person in the drug holes now Aaron I don't know Aaron
00:44:27
Speaker
but between you and someone who's been locked up in an awful prison for who knows how many years. Again, I bet the Boromars... Yeah, I'm sure somebody knows that. Probably they told us to. It's just not a point. I would bet that you would be less likely to take the clan back into murder and exploitation than most of the other Boromars I know.
00:44:57
Speaker
Absolutely. Let me be clear. I like the idea of you calling the shots for the Boromars. They could genuinely become a force for good and char. It is not you that upsets me about you becoming the head of this thing. It's the earth opening up and the demon coming out.
00:45:17
Speaker
Yes, quite. Yeah, if we're gonna listen to Milo's mind to people, we need to listen to this one too. Why? You looked at Eris when you said that, that was the wrong person to appeal to. She doesn't- Because neither one of them makes sense. Yeah. No, okay. If we're ranking things, assuming that Cassian is not just a nutter, and that he came from a place with people, and then- You also mean assuming that Milo is not a nutter?
00:45:47
Speaker
Fair enough. Then maybe a real person told Milo that this other thing is a poem written down by someone however many eons ago that some orcs in the mountains way up north
00:46:12
Speaker
I've sat around and stared at for a few generations and I've decided that what it means is that Satan's children can't become leaders of the Boromar Clan or the world ends. But it was like, what's the sigil on the Boromar House? The dragon sitting on the spider. It's like, the silver dragons, whatever, can't inherit. Shoot, it was written thousands of years ago. Maybe it was about a silver dragon.
00:46:43
Speaker
Counterpoint. In the historical record, the last time one of these prophecies was defied, a demon opened up the earth and attacked everybody. I can't be.
00:46:56
Speaker
Just because- I'm willing to chalk it up to coincidence, but you have to admit it happened at the same time. Give me that one. I don't actually remember that. Yeah. There was another- That was the whole thing was talking about how Calvary is old enough to potentially have been around for it. Right. That a demon came out of Thrain, but was there a prophecy that got defied that everybody knows about? That was my understanding. I think it was just, she was clarifying that like- Demons are real. This is what we're talking about. An overlord.
00:47:22
Speaker
Being unleashed is something that has happened it recently enough for people to remember it Okay, hob has already said it is true. So the threat of the prophecy is verifiable and real. It's just a question whether or not The bad guy mentioned in the prophecies like monsters are real big terrible monsters living under the earth. That's a real thing Yeah, just take it back could be hob was wrong about that big no why we shouldn't kill I
00:47:49
Speaker
You're gesturing at Milo because he's our friend. I think you mean Solomon. No. It essentially is. It's whoever this person is says don't kill Solomon Callaway or the world will end.
00:48:04
Speaker
I'm putting them on equal measure. I have no problem with that, except that maybe we've actually met Cassian, and if anything Cassian says was true, then maybe there's an actual person who said
Raynard's Moral Dilemma
00:48:16
Speaker
that. Whereas this... We've got the religious nut, too. Okay, hang on. But they didn't say that. They're interpreting a poem that was written who knows how long ago. I can't explain why the drastic difference between Faroo and Dorla
00:48:36
Speaker
gave more credence to this stuff. For Hob. I'm speaking in character for me. Hob hungry, Hob sad. Gave more credence to all of this for me, but it has. She doesn't seem as blinded by the fancy of it all. She gave me real world things that have happened. That made me more inclined to be
00:49:05
Speaker
to give more weight to her warning. We were on board with her warning right up until we found out that our friend is actually the child of Satan Boromar. It coincided with something we were already chill with, is we don't want Alira to be in charge. Oh, there's a prophecy about it. Okay. And we still don't want Alira or Vigor to be in charge.
00:49:29
Speaker
I'm not gonna ask in front of him if we want Milo to be in charge, but it seems like something he needs to think about. I'm not. He would like to be in charge. I don't disagree. We're not gonna make Milo be in charge if he doesn't want to. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm just saying, I don't think a... Is it possible that if he, as his first act, changes the image of the... Right. That's what I'm saying. Is that he just changed the sigil or... To say maybe a skull with smoke coming out of it. That's pretty badass. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
00:50:06
Speaker
A bit of donkey. A bad one. Naughty one. Yeah, you know what? You made it better, thanks. At this point, I would say it's much too soon for me to make that decision. But my first preference, and what I know about Erin, and knowing Erin somewhat, she's highly qualified. She's extremely intelligent.
00:50:35
Speaker
And I think she could potentially carry on the way that Satan was wanting to carry on with the clan. Of course, the problem is she's in the Dreadhold. And we would have to get her out. And I'm saying you knew Erin. You knew Erin. And she's been locked in a cell by herself.
00:50:59
Speaker
for years. How consistent was the communication that Erin got? I would think with the communication between her and her husband that if something was amiss, he would have picked up on it to find now.
00:51:14
Speaker
They spoke often enough that he was able to successfully run his division with her guidance. Yes. So it wasn't like she was isolated. I'm just trying, I'm trying to remember what we know. There could be, and with Eris though, there's locked up for a long time. Who knows? I'm not talking to Milo.
00:51:34
Speaker
Yes, that is what we know. I'm asking Eric the question. Did we get a sense? Yeah, Maya was trying to answer that. I know, but Eric's the one that knows the right answer. But that is the right answer. It is true. Yes, their communication was frequent and somebody that wanted to be less than charitable towards Tarble would say that Aaron has been running things this whole time.
00:51:59
Speaker
So she's not been isolated, isolated, and she has a decent understanding of what's been going on in the clan. Now, do I think that she... Nope, because she went herself there. Never mind. I said she would try to take vengeance on why she's there, but that was totally on her.
00:52:19
Speaker
So that would be my first option, is for Eren. Now if... I think we need to clarify, that's the potentially best option to run the Clan. Yes. A very bad option in terms of action ability. Getting a person out of the Dreadhold. Yes, that would be quite the feat. But I don't know if it's much more actionable to walk in and gun the place and say, Mylo's the boss now. I think that's very actionable. We're very good at actioning things.
00:52:48
Speaker
and he is I'm saying if we're working with the lanterns on this maybe I'm not saying don't still maybe try to negotiate Aaron's way out of the Dreadhold because like we know who actually killed those lanterns now
00:53:13
Speaker
So maybe we could still work on that from a different side of things. I'm not saying we should just leave this person in the Dreadhold who doesn't deserve to be there.
00:53:44
Speaker
Someone is going to have to make a decision about what they want to do about these personal issues before we can proceed and it's what if we threw a party and Invited everyone we knew yes, but more specifically the two people I need to kill or have been hired to kill or want to kill one person Why why would either of them accept an invitation to a party from us?
00:54:10
Speaker
We make it so they do, so not us. There's a party that happens. Maybe we'll spend a story point to say there's a party that they're both going to be at. Wait, who are we? You haven't told us who you want to kill. Here's my solution. Maybe they'll kill each other. That we poison the wine. And no, not all of it. Whoever gets the poison dies and either way I win.
00:54:37
Speaker
You were quiet. You were quiet for so long and you came up with that. I love it. One of them gets it, but we don't know who. I love it. But I'm up here now. I'm capable. So we poisoned one glass, we put two on the tray and then we spin the tray and say you take one and you take one. I don't know if there's a lot of good in spending a lot of energy in understanding this plan. I'm capable of creating something that would protect someone.
00:55:06
Speaker
that to high-ranking members of a house that focuses on espionage and assassination don't have precautions against poison that just like always
00:55:22
Speaker
Could Eris make something to counteract the poison protections before? Anti, anti-poison. It's a wine with a floater. So I feel like we need a video feed of Trevor just so people can experience what we get to experience sometimes. But it's a party. Imagine it. Imagine all working out the way we wanted to. Imagine that. That would just be one of those two.
00:55:53
Speaker
Do you want your father in charge of House Phelan, who's openly working with Caroline? No. Delegates his son to go and murder someone. I feel very normal in this world. Yeah, that's pretty much business. That's what you've been dealing with. Who hasn't been charged to murder someone here? Raise of hands.
00:56:34
Speaker
It feels like he wants us to do murder, yes. The lack of video feed is heartbreaking because the look Philip gave Randy right after he said, not my father. Oh, man. I think they were asking you a question, Brainard. It seems like one of you has to make some kind of decision. If you don't let your father in charge of House Fearland, then we shouldn't kill. But also, I'm not entirely on board with killing that head of House Fearland.
00:56:47
Speaker
I would hurt you. Mostly, mostly my father.
00:57:02
Speaker
Because, why? Just because your father wants us to. And see, I don't know... That's a bad reason. I don't know her from Adam, really. I hold the general opinion that once you get up there, you're bad, but I also don't have anything specific to tie it to. Isn't that just an extremely bad road for us to get on of we're just gonna kill everyone that we think is not a great person?
00:57:26
Speaker
No, but I know my father's not a great person. Look, your father actually threatened you and I'm willing to take that, but this other person is just inconvenient to your father. That's what I'm saying. I don't know much about her. I know all the bad things my father has done. Which gives me more reason to feel like I should murder him. It feels like you're reaching a conclusion, Reynard. Like, the first conclusion is, yes or no, I'm going to do what my father wants.
00:57:55
Speaker
And then once you solved that one, then we can move on to what do we do about that decision. I think that's a good vibe or a good notion to start with.
00:58:06
Speaker
So I'm neither here nor there on that point. You dropped the ball there. I guess I'm more... I guess I'm more there than here. Wait, I'm more here than there. What is the... Which one is this? You have to definitely call him eight. You should have designated that one. I'm a bit more certain of what I was saying. I was about to think Garthic would just say that.
00:58:28
Speaker
We have a private event starting in 30 minutes, so... I'm sorry. Bring me more water. I don't mind disobeying my father. Yeah. Great. Good. That's what we were... I was hoping personally. Now the consequence, though, is death. No, look. Are we just disobeying and waiting to deal with the consequences when they arise? Or do you want to do something about it? According to a new term, like, aggressive disobedience. Yeah. Because I left a project
00:59:00
Speaker
It feels like I have to choose... Well, we've made it so clear! Since I have to choose, I would have to choose... Patricide. That's a big word that I knew. Okay, so that is the way you're going. You're going to disobey your father now.
00:59:30
Speaker
Are you going to have, are we going to deal with the consequences of that after you disobey or are you going to want to have a plan in place for maybe preempting that?
00:59:42
Speaker
The way to go. Okay. Now. But I don't think we should tell many people that's what's going to happen. Yes. So it's been decided that you're not going to kill the female, you are going to kill your father. Now how are we going to do that? I don't remember her names, I didn't tell them. Elvinor. We could get him. May that burden be killed.
01:00:06
Speaker
How? It would be adversity because we're getting killed by an accident or something. Could we somehow get Solomon Calloway to do it? Why would he do that? Isn't your father doing what he says? Yes, he's working. But we could.
01:00:23
Speaker
You're not going to propose having lunch with Salt and Callaway again. That's not what this is. This is not some sort of play. Perhaps a way to set up your father to make Callaway think he's under trade?
01:00:41
Speaker
I like how clean that leaves our hands, but it might require a level of cunning and ability that we get to show. Okay, fair enough. I will say just rewinding the clock a very long time when this conversation was happening, there were some advantage or a triumph rolled that I believe Phillip spent
01:01:07
Speaker
basically saying that there is evidence out there that Calvair is making plans assuming that Reynard is like, you'd be able to gather evidence showing that he is making moves against Elvinor. Yes, that's what it was. Totally had that conversation ages ago. Elvinor is the person we should rat your father out to.
01:01:34
Speaker
I guess as soon as, or I guess as long as we guarantee there's enough time for him to kill me between whatever we tell her. So part, part of the checks that were happening as part of this conversation, just to fill in all the gaps, it was determined. I think Raynard did a check to figure out that just going to Elvinor with nothing is going to be a tough sell because Raynard's been an exile, like all this stuff. But if you spent some time gathering.
01:01:59
Speaker
evidence and then dropping it off with Elvinor that would potentially play. So there'd be some work leading up to doing that. End of episode. Thank you all so much for listening. If you want to be part of the conversation surrounding this episode, you can head over to our Discord, the link to which is in all of our socials, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok. We also have a Patreon, patreon.com slash the gate pan down. If you want to financially support the shows in any way that you're able, you can do so over there.
01:02:29
Speaker
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01:02:58
Speaker
Most likely. I missed this week. I'm streaming on Twitch. You can find me at twitch.tv slash the real J-W-R-F. It's how you spell Jeff if there's typos in it. That's where it came from, man. Trevor? Sorry, I burped. I had a little spit. So come see me. So if you're into that, I'm single. You can find me on Instagram, my performer page, thepattigoure.
01:03:27
Speaker
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01:03:58
Speaker
Thank you all so much for listening. I've been your game master, Eric. I'm Philip. I'm Trevor. I'm Ray. We'll see you next time.