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Biden Dropping Out = Prophecy Fulfilled?!
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Hey everyone, Erik here. I apologize for this episode. Good luck!
In this bonus episode, the guys discuss politics and how it intertwines with our faith in the wake of Biden's announcement that he is ending his campaign.
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Biden Exits Race: Political Shockwaves
00:00:10
swts
So Biden just dropped out of the race and this is not something we normally do, but we just happen to be recording a podcast.
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ANTHONY LYDER
play ball. He sure didn't.
00:00:18
swts
And so what I figured is that we would add our voices to the political conversation.
00:00:23
Sean
No.
00:00:25
ANTHONY LYDER
To the milieu.
00:00:25
swts
And the reason to the and the reason I say that is because all said and done, our voices probably matter the most and
00:00:32
ANTHONY LYDER
Yep.
00:00:36
ANTHONY LYDER
That was prime Jesse humor.
00:00:39
swts
And so here's here's what I'm going to say about this. And this is this is completely serious. And I mean this with my whole heart. um We're screwed.
00:00:50
ANTHONY LYDER
Okay, what do you got?
Kamala Harris Enters: What's Next?
00:00:52
swts
we're ah I mean, and no matter what happens here, there's no way this goes well.
00:00:52
ANTHONY LYDER
What's your take?
00:00:59
Sean
Imagine a reality where Trump actually got killed, assassinated, and Biden drops out.
00:01:05
ANTHONY LYDER
For legal purposes, everything we say in this episode is satire. Sorry, Sean, continue.
00:01:10
Sean
No, I'm just like, this is a weird time. In a span of a week, but we went from the Republican nominee almost dying, like in all intents purposes, like he he he should be dead, like based on what we know, based on what we know.
00:01:15
ANTHONY LYDER
It is a weird time. it It's crazy.
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ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
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ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, if he didn't turn his head, yeah.
00:01:24
swts
Yeah, that's pretty wild.
00:01:26
Sean
And then a week later, Biden's done. Like what, this is unprecedented, right?
00:01:29
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
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swts
Yeah.
00:01:33
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:01:33
swts
Well, it's unprecedented.
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Sean
Yeah, stop, stop, stop.
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swts
president and the The reason,
00:01:36
Sean
I know, I know, I know, I know.
00:01:38
ANTHONY LYDER
That was low hanging fruit.
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Sean
um
00:01:40
ANTHONY LYDER
No, it's real. And Kamala just announced she's running like an hour ago, like
00:01:43
swts
yeah.
Democratic Candidates: Who's Viable?
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ANTHONY LYDER
while we were recording.
00:01:45
swts
So best case best case scenario, what happens?
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Sean
It's not surprising. but or
00:01:51
ANTHONY LYDER
Best case, I don't even know, what's our metric for best?
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swts
And then I didn't set out any metric. yeah I just asked a question. You just have to answer the question.
00:02:00
ANTHONY LYDER
Best case scenario? Okay.
00:02:08
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh, I don't know i don't know if Kamala can beat Trump, so that's that's a fact. um I'm just stating objectively, I don't think she can beat him.
00:02:14
swts
So you're a flaming liberal. Sean is Sean.
00:02:22
ANTHONY LYDER
I'm Canadian so I don't vote either way. You can't box me in.
00:02:27
swts
sean Sean is conservative, but with a heart. And I happen to, I happen to occupy the hallowed middle ground where I am i am morally superior to all of you because I don't take any extreme positions.
00:02:33
Sean
That's not possible, is it?
00:02:40
ANTHONY LYDER
Of course you do. That's hilarious. That's amazing.
00:02:49
swts
So in your liberal, in your flaming liberal space, Anthony, best case scenario, what happens?
00:02:54
ANTHONY LYDER
If I were an American, um, it's, ah it's an interesting time. Um, I don't know what the democratic party is going to do. ah We, uh, the DNC is in the month.
California Politics: A Liability?
00:03:05
ANTHONY LYDER
So yeah, I don't know what's like, they literally have like a month to figure out what the crap is happening. So.
00:03:11
swts
Can you imagine you're just sitting in this meeting because I just found out they were, they were sitting there, um, trying to figure out like how to do some of the, the little logistics of the DNC.
00:03:20
ANTHONY LYDER
Mm-hmm.
00:03:20
swts
And then all of a sudden they find out from Twitter, Biden has dropped out.
00:03:25
swts
Can you just imagine that moment of just like yeah the K the sheer like, Oh gosh, now we have to deal with this.
00:03:25
ANTHONY LYDER
They're just papers are thrown up.
00:03:30
ANTHONY LYDER
No.
00:03:35
Sean
you
00:03:36
ANTHONY LYDER
Sure, chaos.
00:03:36
swts
So yeah, no, no, but the best case scenario, what happens?
00:03:39
ANTHONY LYDER
I don't know. They might try for Gavin um Newsome, Governor of California, maybe Kamala, but ah all the Republicans hate Gavin, so there's no way he can win. ah
00:03:49
swts
here's Here's the thing. Can you imagine if they actually put Gavin Newsom up? California has gotten eviscerated over the last few years, and I live here now, and it sucks.
00:03:57
ANTHONY LYDER
California hates Gavin.
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ANTHONY LYDER
but
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swts
and so it's like it's you know I don't think it's the governor's fault or everything, but it's just like is like California is one of those places where you're just like, why is it all of this?
00:04:06
Sean
No, Jesse, I blame, I singularly blame Gavin Newsom for Skid Row. Skid Row.
00:04:13
swts
Well, okay. That's fair. You can do that. But my point is, is that like, it's, it would be hilarious to take what has been considered the worst state in the in the United States.
00:04:15
ANTHONY LYDER
That's fair.
00:04:23
swts
And it'd be like, let's put the governor of that state up for president.
00:04:23
ANTHONY LYDER
And then run for president.
00:04:26
Sean
The guy that, you know, where all the mass exodus of people go into Texas and Tennessee and all the
00:04:26
ANTHONY LYDER
but
00:04:31
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh yeah, people down here are all flaming against Gavin.
00:04:32
swts
Yeah.
00:04:34
ANTHONY LYDER
True.
Ideal Democratic Candidates: Who Can Counter Trump?
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ANTHONY LYDER
But although I feel like if you're ultra progressive, you would, you would still vote for Gavin over Trump. You'd vote for anyone.
00:04:40
Sean
Sure.
00:04:40
ANTHONY LYDER
Pretty, you know,
00:04:42
swts
Yeah, I mean, yeah, true. that It's kind of less of the person specifically and more of like, if you're just anti Trump, you're anti Trump. But can you imagine, like, some of the some of the politicians we've had, they go from like the governor of North Dakota to the president United States. I'm like, that's, I feel like you at least have to be the governor of a mid level state, like, no,
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ANTHONY LYDER
right.
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ANTHONY LYDER
you're You're saying North Dakota is a trash state?
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Sean
They're not all equal. They're not all equal.
00:05:04
swts
no I'm not saying it's trash.
00:05:05
Sean
Let's be honest.
00:05:06
swts
I'm just saying when you have 40 people in your state, like, maybe we shouldn't, maybe you shouldn't be the
00:05:08
ANTHONY LYDER
Well, that's brutal.
00:05:10
Sean
And 40 people on in your state and and four of them are on Mount Rushmore.
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ANTHONY LYDER
Maybe you don't have the experience.
00:05:15
ANTHONY LYDER
And and the other 39 are cows, because there's a lot of cows in North Dakota.
00:05:21
swts
No, I mean, and that's all joking, but like best case scenario, I feel like we get a actually good democratic candidate and people can actually make a decision on this.
00:05:33
ANTHONY LYDER
yeah
00:05:34
swts
Because I feel like the problem with Biden is that nobody could make a decision. ah nobody could Very few people could rightfully say, yes, I'm going to vote for that guy um because it's like it's kind of obvious that there's something wrong here. um And then people can actually make a decision. It feels like that that would be best scenario for me. I don't know if Kamala can beat Trump, but I mean, my my hope is just for two good candidates.
00:05:54
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:57
swts
um
00:05:57
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's definitely a gift in that sense, but it it was, um I was talking with another friend earlier today and he was like, this should have happened like a year ago. Cause then it would have given actual time for there to be a legitimately good candidate.
00:06:06
swts
Yeah.
00:06:10
ANTHONY LYDER
Cause it is a gift that like, oh wow, there could be a candidate who could be really compelling, but
Trump's Divisive Politics: Impact and Media Portrayal
00:06:15
ANTHONY LYDER
I don't know who that could be.
00:06:15
swts
Okay, Sean, Sean, I'm going to excite your conservative heart. A bald eagle clutching the American flag and its talons lands on a candidate and you know thereby announcing that this is the chosen one. Who is that candidate?
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ANTHONY LYDER
is Is it Hulk Hogan? Because I just loved his speech when he was like, they they tried to kill my hero.
00:06:35
Sean
it it
00:06:40
Sean
RNC was a circus.
00:06:40
ANTHONY LYDER
and love r and c wasn't wild It felt like the Hunger Games.
00:06:42
Sean
I was just this morning. It was a circus. ah i what
00:06:46
ANTHONY LYDER
I'm not gonna lie.
00:06:46
Sean
I mean, it it does feel weird, like there was a pastor, I was watching a video of one of the pastors from, it was this pastor from Detroit that went up and and and basically it's it's this mixing of politics and religion that it just feels so weird to hear a pastor say like, like God has called him to such a time as this, like Jesus, he used like the rhetoric, like Jesus spared Donald Trump's life because he called them to this space.
00:07:01
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, feels gross.
00:07:13
swts
Didn't Ben Carson like quote Isaiah?
00:07:14
Sean
it's it's a
00:07:15
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh, I miss that.
00:07:16
swts
to
00:07:16
Sean
I didn't listen to that part, but now there was a pastor that went up and and you know talked about like this. and And I've heard this from multiple people like that were talking, you know saying like, oh, you know Jesus saved Donald Trump. And that was why like from this. And it's it's a weird, it's just weird. like It makes me feel uncomfortable that that's the conversation going on.
00:07:38
ANTHONY LYDER
Well, it's just, it's weird theology.
00:07:40
Sean
um
00:07:41
ANTHONY LYDER
It's like Jesus saved Trump and not the guy behind him who died.
00:07:44
Sean
Sure, sure. But but even then, it's just it's just this.
00:07:45
ANTHONY LYDER
So what?
00:07:47
Sean
Look, the point is this. The RNC, both conventions, it's always been a weird circus for both sides. It's always just a hype thing. It's it's all just hype.
Political Conventions: A Circus with Religious Overtones?
00:07:58
Sean
And I think what you just said, Anthony, is I don't think he can lose unless he does something really stupid.
00:08:05
ANTHONY LYDER
yeah
00:08:05
Sean
And and by stupid, because here's what everyone's going to say. Well, he does something stupid every other day. By stupid, I mean, i mean it has to be, no.
00:08:10
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:08:11
swts
He's moved. Isn't that wild? He has single-handedly moved the needle on what's stupid.
00:08:14
ANTHONY LYDER
move that i Yeah. Yes.
00:08:16
Sean
Yeah, I know, I know.
00:08:17
swts
is
00:08:18
ANTHONY LYDER
You almost respect it a little bit. You're like, dang, this guy.
00:08:21
Sean
Yeah, yeah.
00:08:21
swts
He completely changed the definition.
00:08:22
ANTHONY LYDER
Whoa.
00:08:23
Sean
No, no, but I mean so, so beyond.
00:08:24
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh, my word.
00:08:27
Sean
and and And again, people argue, oh, he's gone beyond. He's been convicted of how many felons?
00:08:31
ANTHONY LYDER
Yes, on I don't even know. ah
00:08:33
Sean
I understand that, I understand. But all I'm just saying this.
00:08:34
ANTHONY LYDER
I feel like he could shoot someone ah on live television.
00:08:37
Sean
No, I'm just...
00:08:38
ANTHONY LYDER
He'd be fine at this point.
00:08:40
Sean
As long as they're as long as they're liberal enough.
00:08:42
Sean
um
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ANTHONY LYDER
Right.
00:08:43
swts
You know, you know, in the, you know, in the, movie you know, in the movies, like where it's just like this villain and they just like somebody brings their food wrong and they just shoot them.
00:08:43
Sean
but
00:08:45
ANTHONY LYDER
Pretty much.
00:08:45
Sean
but
00:08:52
swts
Like you could just see that happen at one of Trump's rallies and people would be like, yeah.
00:08:52
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, that's wrong.
00:08:56
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:08:57
swts
and People would be like, yeah, no, I just expected that at this point.
00:09:00
Sean
no I think what you said, Anthony, was right that if they had done this a year or so ago, when it was still apparent that it wasn't and wasn't right, it it means that, and you know we use the term conservative liberal.
00:09:05
ANTHONY LYDER
It might have had time, yeah.
00:09:12
Sean
like We've had so many conversations about politics. like We all know how nuanced and messy it is.
00:09:16
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:09:17
Sean
It's just a big soup of confusion. um that
00:09:21
swts
a soup of confusion felt felt accurate.
00:09:21
Sean
A soup of confusion.
00:09:22
ANTHONY LYDER
That's a good ah good expression.
00:09:23
Sean
ah It just feels messy.
00:09:26
ANTHONY LYDER
I like that.
00:09:26
Sean
like You just have a soup that's trying to be minestrone and chicken gnocchi. You're like, no, I don't want both of these at the same time.
00:09:31
ANTHONY LYDER
Ooh, that's... well
00:09:33
Sean
it's like but that That was an Olive Garden reference, by the way. um Something about their unlimited breadsticks salad.
00:09:36
ANTHONY LYDER
I'm following.
00:09:36
swts
Yeah, I'm not enough of a soup guy to have that felt too deep cut for
Political Violence: Is Trump's Rhetoric to Blame?
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swts
me, because I don't eat soup.
00:09:44
ANTHONY LYDER
I have had those Olive Garden Soup flavors, so I'm with you, Sean.
00:09:47
Sean
it It hits pretty good.
00:09:47
swts
I feel like if you had said tomato, you would have had me but
00:09:50
Sean
Yeah, um no, I think there isn't a lot of trust and I'm not just saying that with some conservative bent. I think objectively the the left and the liberal side also is like, why wasn't this better planned for? And now it's just, it doesn't feel like they have their act together.
00:10:08
ANTHONY LYDER
Mm-hmm
00:10:08
Sean
And so my question is, can you do anything in four months to build a persona that isn't, um you know, Kamala, because she she has at least a visible presence, right? But also she's pretty divisive. And so the question is, can can she pull out the charisma to...
00:10:21
ANTHONY LYDER
She is Oh, yeah, there's no
00:10:26
Sean
Jess, you asked about the ideal. The problem is the ideal isn't what's actually practical for how the political system works for getting a ah president. So you can you can say,
00:10:36
swts
Sean, Sean, I don't care about that.
00:10:37
Sean
you can you can
00:10:37
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:10:38
swts
I, I, what I want to know is if the rock ran for president as the Republican nominee.
00:10:43
ANTHONY LYDER
The rock might... Oh.
00:10:47
Sean
Well, he's conservative, yeah. I mean, at least in some spaces.
00:10:48
swts
And then in the end, in the end,
00:10:50
ANTHONY LYDER
Heat? That'd be... Wow.
Adventism and Politics: Church-State Separation
00:10:52
swts
he, he just like, if we go to war with another country that he just like suplexes them over his knee.
00:11:02
Sean
Kim Jong-un.
00:11:02
swts
like Yeah, like that's that's what happens.
00:11:05
Sean
He suplexes Kim Jong-un.
00:11:06
swts
and that like it that's what i'm we I also don't know what suplex is.
00:11:07
ANTHONY LYDER
That mental image is...
00:11:10
Sean
That's a...
00:11:11
swts
I'm using it that's part about as far into wrestling as I get.
00:11:14
ANTHONY LYDER
It's very physical.
00:11:14
swts
so just i'm asking about I don't care about your actual nuanced perspective on the realities of our political of our political ah ah climate right now.
00:11:21
ANTHONY LYDER
This is the most jessy.
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swts
What I'm asking about is, What I'm asking about is if Brad Pitt ran for president as the Democratic nominee, that's what I'm asking about, Sean.
00:11:33
Sean
Oh, my goodness.
00:11:37
ANTHONY LYDER
yeah There's no way.
00:11:38
Sean
No, it's George Clooney. george George is the one that called for Biden to step down. So it's going to be ah danny Danny Ocean.
00:11:43
ANTHONY LYDER
Clooney might be able to clinch it. He's got the look.
00:11:46
Sean
Danny Ocean is going to go to.
00:11:47
swts
i feel like okay this talking about this i feel like I feel like you need a spectacle to match Donald Trump to even make this.
00:11:48
ANTHONY LYDER
They could run on that platform alone.
00:11:56
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:11:57
swts
like Some random career politician, I just feel like it's not going to work. Now, I'm terrified saying this because I love history and the Roman the roman Republic transitioning to the Roman Empire is just full of this kind of chaos.
00:11:57
Sean
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:12:06
ANTHONY LYDER
her
00:12:08
swts
and So I can just see us going in terrible directions.
00:12:08
Sean
Right.
00:12:09
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh, yeah.
00:12:11
swts
But because I have zero say in how we go in this direction, I'm just
Eschatology: Future Political Predictions
00:12:15
swts
kind of like in this, well, what if we did just put up the highest profile actor we could come up with right now and then just said, let's just see what happens.
00:12:23
swts
You know, I feel like that's a,
00:12:23
ANTHONY LYDER
You don't think that you don't think that someone deep in, I mean, we can just use the term deep state, like, like, like just career politicians, so like a Mitt Romney, you don't think someone like that could rally the country and defeat
00:12:35
swts
But no, it would take, like if Obama came back right now, I think he'd i think he'd have i think you'd have it.
00:12:40
ANTHONY LYDER
Well, it could do it. Yeah, he could do it.
00:12:41
swts
I think he could do it.
00:12:42
ANTHONY LYDER
The nostalgia factor is power.
00:12:42
swts
Because there's a like ah ah the nostalgia factor and also just like who he is. you could you could argue about You could argue about policies all you want, but I think a lot of like moderates would just be like, yeah, I can trust this guy over over the chaos of Trump.
00:12:47
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, he's charismatic.
00:12:56
swts
But anybody else right now, I just feel like you don't have a built up enough reputation to be able to do that.
00:12:59
ANTHONY LYDER
Trust.
00:13:01
Sean
Yeah, no, yeah yeah, it takes years.
00:13:02
swts
And so that's why I feel like, let's just go like let's just go you know Derek Jeter and see what happens.
00:13:09
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh my.
00:13:10
swts
Let's see if he he can hit a home run into the White House.
00:13:13
ANTHONY LYDER
Logan Paul.
00:13:13
swts
like let's just see No, Logan Paul is too chaotic. he's like He's like Trump, but worse somehow.
00:13:17
ANTHONY LYDER
He's already.
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Sean
Mr. Beast, Mr.
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ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:13:19
Sean
Beast.
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ANTHONY LYDER
Mr.
00:13:20
swts
Mr. Beast would have a shot.
00:13:21
ANTHONY LYDER
B. Mr. B's has a higher shot than Logan for sure.
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swts
I think he would
00:13:26
swts
because Because Mr. Beast would start like the Roman era gladiatorial games, but YouTube videos giving away money.
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ANTHONY LYDER
He just came up for money.
00:13:35
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:13:35
swts
like It would be the way that you distract the population from the chaos that's actually happening in the world. and it're just like we're gonna Next up, in the in the congressional house, like in the House of Representatives, whoever leaves the the room first before voting on legislation doesn't get a chance at $1 million.
00:13:44
ANTHONY LYDER
here
00:13:50
ANTHONY LYDER
right
00:13:51
swts
dollars like It's like you could do stuff like that.
00:13:54
ANTHONY LYDER
he'd He'd make it make it so somehow there's a one-on-one gladiator battle between AOC and Bernie somehow there's just
00:14:00
swts
Yeah, but it's but it's like it but it's like Nerf guns. It's like it it it's it's it's fun. It's not bloodshed. like That's why I think he'd have a shot, you know?
00:14:08
ANTHONY LYDER
That's actually true. Cause he's not actually, I was talking to my brother earlier and he was like, well, what about Whitmer from, um, from Michigan who, who they were going to assassinate?
00:14:15
swts
Michigan.
00:14:17
ANTHONY LYDER
Remember?
00:14:17
swts
Yeah.
00:14:18
ANTHONY LYDER
Like she could, she could send that you're going to kidnap her.
00:14:18
swts
Let's just go with both. No, kidnap. They were going to kidnap her. But yeah, it just could just be like,
00:14:22
ANTHONY LYDER
She could spend that.
00:14:24
swts
Yeah, perfect. But but there's like a whole conservative thing that's like, that was an FBI conspiracy to you know like incite people to do that.
00:14:25
ANTHONY LYDER
i
00:14:32
swts
And so like it feels it feels like it feels like that it feels like it feels like both parties cannot speak the same language
00:14:33
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh, I'm not deep enough to know that. Cool.
Adventism's Influence on Political Views
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swts
to save America's life.
00:14:45
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh yeah, no way.
00:14:45
swts
like and That's one thing I will say about Biden. He could do that to a certain degree. like I know conservatives hate a lot of what he did, but to some degree, he was the only one coming along saying and saying, we are Americans and we can unite around something.
00:14:53
ANTHONY LYDER
That's a good point.
00:15:00
swts
The thing that I dislike the most about Trump is that Trump will say, we're divided. That side is the worst thing that could possibly exist.
00:15:00
ANTHONY LYDER
He was a rare, yeah.
00:15:07
ANTHONY LYDER
They're the enemy over there, yeah.
00:15:08
swts
they're literally saying they're the enemy. And that's the thing I really dislike about him, even if policy-wise, some of the stuff that he did last last president, I'm like, yeah, that wasn't bad. Media made everything he did bad. but But I just can't stand his actual divisive attitude towards the people that he's supposed to be like serving as a whole.
00:15:23
Sean
His rhetoric.
00:15:24
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, he puts gasoline on a fire every chance he can.
00:15:26
Sean
Yeah, he couldn't stop.
00:15:27
swts
Exactly.
00:15:27
Sean
He couldn't stop talking. Like he just, he just, he has a hard time with that.
00:15:29
swts
But
00:15:31
Sean
Yeah.
00:15:32
swts
but But the thing is, is like I feel like what I prefer in my like sort of middling area is I want somebody who's actually gonna come around and say, like we can actually unite as a nation. If we don't have that, we will divide.
00:15:41
ANTHONY LYDER
Mm hmm.
00:15:43
swts
It's sort of like entropy. You're going to you're gonna get farther apart if there's not somebody saying, we let's try and do this together.
00:15:49
ANTHONY LYDER
Mm hmm.
00:15:50
swts
And it feels like the winning strategy for trump is just to say let's paint the entire so system on one side is bad And then that will get us the win But what i'm terrified about with him is the long-term implications of this strategy after him Like I think we can survive another four years of trump I'm terrified about the people that will come after him who then employ more increasing like increasingly increasingly increasingly aggressive even more than him strategies or rhetoric that cause
00:16:05
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh, absolutely.
00:16:18
Sean
You don't think it's going to cool down after Trump? you don't like Who has the charisma of Trump and the Republican Party?
00:16:21
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh.
00:16:23
swts
but But I don't think it's about like the next election. I think it's five years from now, 10 years from now, if you if you change some economic, like if if we hit another recession. Uh-oh. now we Now we're hitting like, you know what? it was It was the other party. And then this is, it used to be to some degree that we could talk about the other party and say, I disagree with their with their um their methodology or their idea of how to fix this, but at least have respect for the person.
00:16:48
ANTHONY LYDER
her
00:16:51
swts
And that was even, that was, it wasn't like perfect.
00:16:52
ANTHONY LYDER
A little tenuous.
00:16:53
swts
but there was at least some, there was at least a facade of that. There's no facade of that anymore. And that's a little bit terrifying. And then also as a Christian, I'm just like, the thing I can't stand about what the Republican party is doing right now is that they are, they are utilizing the rhetoric of Jesus and Jesus blessing the right.
00:17:07
ANTHONY LYDER
ah
00:17:12
ANTHONY LYDER
They're co-opting Christianity.
00:17:12
Sean
Sure.
00:17:13
ANTHONY LYDER
like it's It's a full-blown co-opting.
00:17:13
swts
Yeah.
00:17:15
ANTHONY LYDER
and it's
00:17:16
swts
Which is, ah which is a bit terrifying.
00:17:16
ANTHONY LYDER
like Oh yeah.
00:17:18
swts
And I, I just can't get behind it.
Adventist Prophecy and Current Politics
00:17:20
ANTHONY LYDER
Like on a serious note, I've never felt more Adventist than right now. And it's a little weird because I feel like I'm getting into my Adventist conspiracy pocket because ah it just, it, it feels a little, it feels a little, you know, like all it would take, like have you you've probably seen like Vance, like Trump's VPs, like some of his positions.
00:17:41
swts
Advanced refrigeration.
00:17:43
ANTHONY LYDER
yeah that guy like this guy Vance Vance is wild like he's full-blown like theocracy like energy he's like death penalty for abortion and divorce like he's he's a wild guy and i feel like all it would take is yeah it would so i'll be dead you you
00:17:59
swts
Let's see, you that would include you. so i i'm just I'm trying to think if I get behind it or not.
00:18:09
Sean
Anthony, you had an abortion?
00:18:13
Sean
You didn't tell me!
00:18:14
ANTHONY LYDER
Yes. Yes, Sean.
00:18:20
swts
Sean, Sean, do you remember when our friend got divorced? That's what I was referencing.
00:18:24
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, Jesse was being kind with his comment. I love, but all this to say, um all it would take is for someone else who doesn't miss to try it again with Trump, and then for v and then for Vance to come into office, then we have all three all three branches that are all red, and easily, easily I could see the country going into full-blown Christian nationalism.
00:18:39
swts
Yeah, just off a full, yeah.
00:18:41
Sean
Yeah.
00:18:52
swts
But that's, that's the wild thing about right now is that it, the right has been accused of violence. Um, both sides have been, but like the right has, has tended to be like, Oh, they're the extreme.
00:19:01
ANTHONY LYDER
For sure.
00:19:05
swts
But what's wild is that like, it was someone who tried to assassinate Donald Trump. That actually happened.
00:19:11
swts
And what, what I think is crazy is that, I dunno, let's go back into history here, but like,
00:19:11
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:19:16
ANTHONY LYDER
The more we find out, the more we know he really had no motive.
00:19:20
swts
Well, but you were yeah, and then that's where everybody goes in the conspiracy around like, was he a CIA plant?
00:19:23
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:19:24
Sean
oh
00:19:25
ANTHONY LYDER
Was it? Yeah.
00:19:25
swts
But I guess my point being is that like towards the end of the Roman Republic, and I bring this up not to flex like nerd stuff, but just like towards the end of it,
00:19:26
ANTHONY LYDER
right
00:19:30
Sean
Yes, yes you are.
00:19:34
ANTHONY LYDER
Just a little bit.
00:19:35
swts
Sean let me let me front like I don't get immense satisfaction from this um Towards the end of the Roman Republic like there was so much there was violence literally in the streets of Rome and then it was actually in in a in sort of like ah I'll bring order back to all of this that then you had people who
00:19:44
ANTHONY LYDER
Mm-hmm.
00:19:58
swts
you know They asserted their power as like an an individual like Caesar or even before beforehand there's a few other guys.
00:20:00
ANTHONY LYDER
Yep.
00:20:04
swts
and it's like this is This is the sketchy place we're getting as a country where it's like political violence is becoming more okay because the state is being ramped up to a thousand by both parties.
00:20:12
ANTHONY LYDER
yeah
00:20:16
swts
so It's like if Trump gets elected, it's going to be the end of America.
00:20:20
ANTHONY LYDER
Is it both parties, though?
00:20:20
swts
and
00:20:22
ANTHONY LYDER
I don't know that Democrats ramp ramp up the the gasoline on the the violent language as much as Republicans do.
00:20:22
swts
it's yeah well no but it
00:20:27
swts
Sean, what do you say to that?
00:20:29
ANTHONY LYDER
And and when I say Republicans, I mean Trump, really like.
00:20:32
swts
Sean, what do you say to that?
00:20:35
swts
ah Can you please put Anthony back in his place?
00:20:35
ANTHONY LYDER
Because you you don't see you just don't see Biden and Kamala out there like it's them over there.
00:20:35
Sean
I No, they both have quotes.
00:20:41
ANTHONY LYDER
We need to fight, fight, fight, fight like they're coming for us, demonizing the other side. It's this this is Trump energy. It's what he does.
00:20:51
Sean
I think Trump trump is more assertive and am aggressive in his his way of belittling others, like his catchphrases, like we hold onto to his tweets you know or or saying like, Crooked Hillary or Sleepy Joe or whatever. and and they're
00:21:05
ANTHONY LYDER
Pocahontas, Elizabeth Warren.
00:21:06
Sean
yeah
00:21:07
swts
It's annoyingly effective.
00:21:08
Sean
you know, calling theron calling the coronavirus the kung flu and just like, like
00:21:09
swts
It's like.
00:21:12
ANTHONY LYDER
oh
00:21:14
Sean
like
00:21:14
ANTHONY LYDER
He's hilarious.
00:21:15
Sean
you know is he's ah he's a business showman.
00:21:15
ANTHONY LYDER
You can't deny that he's hilarious. You can't deny. He's a master.
00:21:19
Sean
and And I get it. I agree on that level as a singular entity within a party, yes.
00:21:25
ANTHONY LYDER
Right.
00:21:25
Sean
but not as a system. I think both systems have fanned the fuel the fanned the flames, I don't know what I was trying to say there, ah creating this ah this atmosphere, this this dynamic within within America.
00:21:38
swts
so i it's It's literally said, by the left, like we have to save democracy. like That's what I mean. is it's is's less so like
00:21:46
ANTHONY LYDER
Mm-hmm.
00:21:46
swts
trump is trump is is ah ah They're not doing what Trump is doing, but they are pointing at Trump and saying he's the enemy of democracy without saying it in a vicious way.
00:21:53
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:21:56
swts
And I get why people are doing it. It's what the media did the whole time that Trump was in in office last last ah his last ah term. But the problem is is that that's where you get the stakes ramped up because then people are willing to do crazy things because you're trying to save something potentially. You're trying to keep the end of America from happening. like that's That's where the rhetoric gets advanced on that side and they're feeding into the whole thing.
00:22:21
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, for sure.
00:22:21
swts
And when you do more chaotic things and the right can go, well, look at what they're doing.
00:22:25
ANTHONY LYDER
It becomes the cycle.
00:22:25
swts
we go to you know And then it would just you it becomes a cycle of escalation that both parties are are totally guilty of. and so
00:22:33
ANTHONY LYDER
so what But what you said a second ago, like the longing for someone to rise above the cycle and say, Hey, can we unify? Can we come together? I don't know if Kamala is the one to do that.
00:22:43
swts
as a follower of Jesus, and because we have a podcast that's Christian, that's exactly where Jesus comes in, because don't we all want someone to rise above all of the chaos of our political system?
00:22:46
ANTHONY LYDER
and
00:22:53
ANTHONY LYDER
You're right Now you're preaching and No, you can I was with I would have followed Actually, I
00:22:59
swts
I was about to go for it.
00:22:59
Sean
Jesse, i'm still i'm still waiting i'm I'm still waiting for you to explain why we're doing this on the podcast.
00:23:00
swts
I can't pull a Steven Furtick.
00:23:08
Sean
We we have to make this Adventist somehow. give Give me an Ellen White quote on politics.
00:23:11
swts
I will i'll say i'll say this. Never I will say I will say that i've I've actually said this to people Adventism
Speculative Futures: Political and Religious Scenarios
00:23:20
swts
is a weird space because and we talked about this with um Danny Shelton I was actually kind of surprised at some of the stuff he said but like Adventism is a weird space where we can be a little bit more insulated from like what any evangelical America is doing with Trump right now or he's almost becoming a Savior figure because a lot of Adventists will look at that and be like that's where Sunday laws come in and it's like it's like
00:23:37
ANTHONY LYDER
Or we should be.
00:23:44
swts
I don't necessarily see it going the same way, but I appreciate the insulation from like savior figures. And I'm not saying that Adventism is immune from that, but it's actually kind of wild.
00:23:53
Sean
But it has a system of checks and balances for being too politically righteous on either side. Like, it kind of it kind of makes you...
00:23:58
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:23:59
swts
Sean, you made that the most governmental sounding
00:24:03
Sean
Yeah, I know. I know. It it was a tie-in to what America's supposed to be when it comes to power.
00:24:09
swts
I respect it and I hate it at the same time.
00:24:09
ANTHONY LYDER
Well, I mean, core Adventist ethos is to, I mean, Adventism stands outside of evangelical Christianity for that reason.
00:24:11
Sean
Yeah, I know.
00:24:11
swts
No, yeah, you're right. It actually should be the separation of church, but that's where prophecy is weirdly.
00:24:12
Sean
ah
00:24:22
ANTHONY LYDER
like we like Our deepest theology pushes back against like all of Christian history, so it makes sense.
00:24:23
swts
Yeah.
00:24:27
Sean
but it's funny But it's funny because we've met we've met red the reddest Republican Adventists, but we've also met a blue dog Democrat you know style.
00:24:28
swts
Which is, which is huge.
00:24:34
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh, yeah. they're
00:24:39
swts
Oh, what?
00:24:40
Sean
You've never heard of that?
00:24:40
ANTHONY LYDER
I've never heard that phrase.
00:24:42
Sean
Is it blue dog, yellow dog? There's like a there's like a term, sorry.
00:24:47
ANTHONY LYDER
I like it.
00:24:47
Sean
It's like an old school term of like a Democrat, like that's, I don't know.
00:24:50
ANTHONY LYDER
I'll receive that from you.
00:24:51
Sean
ah Moving on, like there's Adventists that are actually very like committed to, what like they're pretty proud of their identity within a certain political, and still like adhere to being Adventists and speak
00:24:58
swts
Yeah, for sure.
00:24:59
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh yeah.
00:25:03
Sean
how Adventism leans toward one or the other, you know, like the the push toward social justice and how we were on the cutting edge in our early church history of supporting the end of slavery and racism and and and and the like.
00:25:06
ANTHONY LYDER
Mhm.
00:25:07
swts
Yeah.
00:25:11
ANTHONY LYDER
Mm hmm.
00:25:18
Sean
And then you've got the other side that, you know, sounds more of like the evangelical flavor.
00:25:22
ANTHONY LYDER
Mm hmm.
00:25:24
Sean
of anti-abortion, pro-life, and and ah you know avoiding secular things and creating ah you know a very religious space, those things that kind of get intertwined with with conservative Americanism or or Christianity.
00:25:25
swts
Yeah.
00:25:40
swts
Yeah.
00:25:41
ANTHONY LYDER
her Or as I call it, American ah conservative political religion.
00:25:46
Sean
Sure.
00:25:47
swts
Yeah, but it, but it's the same thing on the other side though, too.
00:25:48
ANTHONY LYDER
ACPR.
00:25:50
swts
There's a whole religion on the other side too. And I think that, but I think that's what's actually kind of, it's sort of like how it's when women's ordination was happening, like the whole conversation around that and.
00:25:52
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh yeah.
00:26:03
swts
There's a bunch of us who were like, we hate the organizational structure of the Adventist Church. It's stupid. It's bloated. There's way too much administrative stuff. And then we found out that the only reason that there was protection for some of the places that had women's ordination going on was unions.
00:26:14
Sean
you
00:26:20
ANTHONY LYDER
Mm-hmm.
00:26:22
swts
I was like,
00:26:22
ANTHONY LYDER
Hmm.
00:26:24
swts
Well, dang it now I like unions and it was like I don't want to like unions I want to cut out at least one or two levels of Adventist structure now.
00:26:27
ANTHONY LYDER
Hmm.
00:26:32
swts
I'm thankful for unions now I'm like, I'm kind of thankful for Adventist prophecy as It's like it it's sort of it sort of insulates us from saying that person is going to be Jesus because there's a consistent
00:26:36
ANTHONY LYDER
It's... it's...
00:26:47
swts
Suspicion of the antichrist figure showing up and what's hilarious to me is Well, yeah, yeah, yeah But but I guess my point is is that you will see a lot of conservative Adventists who'd really support Trump but still have suspicions and that's different than like the then the like American Eagle like Jesus with his arms around Trump like I'm so sorry you almost got shot, you know, like
00:26:49
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh, yeah.
00:26:54
ANTHONY LYDER
Or there should be, there should be ah a suspicion of government and religious power melding, but oftentimes there's not.
00:27:09
ANTHONY LYDER
That's true. You're right. Jesus with a bandage on his ear.
00:27:17
swts
Yeah, it's like it's like touching his right ear. I think someone was saying in in biblical in biblicalac the sacrificial system, they would like put the blood on the right ear, and it's like, oh my gosh.
00:27:26
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh yeah, I saw that. It was a wild.
00:27:29
swts
But like it's not that Adventist people are insulated from that, but it's almost like Adventism as a culture is more um insulated from that sort of influence. And so, I mean, that's ah it's a blessing. And I think it go it can go both ways. um But right now, I think it's kind of a blessing from that sort of nefarious, in insidious melding of political and and and religious power, which is pretty sketchy. I mean, just even us believing that it's a really it's a political and religious figure that is sort of the antichrist sort of thing, um or the mark of the beast, like all of that makes us wary, which I think is not bad.
00:27:56
ANTHONY LYDER
I'm, yep.
00:28:04
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:28:08
ANTHONY LYDER
It it puts us outside a little bit. I'm going to say the the most Adventist thing I've ever said in my life.
00:28:11
Sean
so So let's.
00:28:11
swts
yeah
00:28:15
ANTHONY LYDER
And you guys know that because you know me from all my adult life.
00:28:18
swts
Yeah.
00:28:18
ANTHONY LYDER
I read the great controversy chapter 25 this week. And Ellen straight up says that the melding of a religious and political power isn't Catholicism. It's Protestant Christianity.
00:28:32
swts
Does she actually say that explicitly?
00:28:32
ANTHONY LYDER
She, she, she, she, yeah, she, she essentially, she, she pretty much says it. And that it, yeah, they did.
00:28:38
swts
What's interesting is because the Catholic Church did that so explicitly throughout.
00:28:45
swts
Sorry, sorry. Throughout history, the Catholic Church um ah did that consistently and overtly. It was like, you know, you had Popes who were obviously not religiously affiliated.
00:28:56
Sean
Thanks.
00:28:56
swts
They were people who got elected that position for Mani bribes, for the power of that position.
00:29:02
ANTHONY LYDER
Uh-huh.
00:29:02
swts
And what's wild is that the Catholic Church today, not that it's not doing that to some degree, but like, it is not the main thing doing that.
00:29:09
ANTHONY LYDER
Right.
00:29:10
swts
Like in America, it is Protestant Christianity, that is asking for a melding of of those two things. And I get why, because there's this whole narrative that America is turning away from Christian values.
00:29:24
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:29:25
swts
And what's wild is the solution.
00:29:25
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:29:27
swts
While everyone's terrified of Sharia law back in like in the twenty ten twenty like in the early 2000s, it's like the solution is just Levitical biblical law.
00:29:32
ANTHONY LYDER
Uh-huh. Yeah. ah
00:29:37
swts
I don't know if that's better. So it's pretty wild. I'm not surprised she said that.
00:29:42
ANTHONY LYDER
It's a wild time.
00:29:42
Sean
Yeah. it it So some, some quick hot takes. Okay. We're going to end this cause Jesse, you said 10 minutes.
00:29:48
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:29:48
Sean
We're at 30 minutes.
00:29:50
ANTHONY LYDER
Red 30 here.
00:29:50
swts
and Sean, that's how I got you here.
00:29:50
Sean
Uh, so no, no, we're, we're, we're, we're an Adventist podcast. So I'm going to, we're going to, we're going to go back.
00:29:56
ANTHONY LYDER
Should we each drop hot takes?
00:29:56
Sean
We had it. No, we had great controversy quote, but now we're gonna do predictions. We're gonna come back to this. We're gonna make Eric edit this quick so it goes out.
00:30:01
ANTHONY LYDER
Okay.
00:30:05
Sean
And because if this is like released in November, what's the point of predicting what's gonna happen?
00:30:06
ANTHONY LYDER
Okay.
00:30:10
ANTHONY LYDER
Right.
00:30:10
Sean
So predictions, okay.
00:30:11
ANTHONY LYDER
Predictions.
00:30:11
Sean
First off, ah before predictions, hot takes. ah Jesse, does the Bible prophesy that the United States is a part of end time events? Like like we talked about.
00:30:24
ANTHONY LYDER
Nice.
00:30:24
swts
Yes.
00:30:25
Sean
You think so, like the United States is actually a part of it.
00:30:27
ANTHONY LYDER
I absolutely agree.
00:30:28
swts
Well, I mean, like it's there's obviously a sort of like that lamb-like figure and stuff like that. And I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, especially because I tend to think that most prophecy is pointing at
00:30:39
ANTHONY LYDER
Cycles.
00:30:40
swts
Yeah, I think, I think, I think I'm a little bit more like a lot of most biblical prophecy is pointing at Israel, not the whole world.
00:30:48
Sean
Okay.
00:30:48
swts
And when you look at the United States relationship to Israel and what it has done to support it and how there is a interesting relationship where I'm like, I fully support there being a space for, for, for Jewish people, but how the Israel that exists now is very it's paralleling the prophetic ah trajectory of of like the prophets like Isaiah and Jeremiah who says you have all this like this ah that what's the right word you have the appearance of people who are are pious but you are not um taking care of the poor and the widows and the orphans and it's like when you have when you have the
00:31:22
ANTHONY LYDER
Whoo! That is arctic!
00:31:25
swts
so So I guess like that's kind of the thing that I tend to look at. I'm like, this feels like it's a
Trump's Chances: What If He Wins Again?
00:31:30
swts
repetition of of what has come before. And so you know America being part of that is not not at all outside of that for me.
00:31:34
ANTHONY LYDER
It's arctic.
00:31:38
swts
so
00:31:39
Sean
is is the um Is the Sunday law going to happen, as stated by Ellen White?
00:31:48
swts
I don't know. I doubt it. Like, i don' I don't know if it's going to happen exactly like that though. I could see, you know, I can see space for it, but I just, I don't, I'm not set on a specific outcome there. I do think that it will come down to like, are you going to be, are you going to, is your heart going to go be loyal with God or is it going to be loyal to the way of the world? Whatever that ends up being. I think it could be multiple things.
00:32:13
ANTHONY LYDER
Wait a minute.
00:32:13
swts
Um, so. um
00:32:14
ANTHONY LYDER
Are we doing these predictions so that when whatever happens happens and we're in prison together, we're going to think back this episode.
00:32:20
swts
Yeah, these these aren't these aren't like election related questions. These are like, if we get to heaven and we look back and we listen to this episode of Seeking What They Sought and we're like, oh, Sean was right.
00:32:24
Sean
Well,
00:32:30
Sean
no, no, no, I said before, but no, no, no. I said before predictions, I wanted hot takes. These were hot takes before the predictions.
00:32:35
ANTHONY LYDER
You're right.
00:32:36
Sean
I i have predictions after this.
00:32:36
ANTHONY LYDER
You're right. You're right.
00:32:38
Sean
Anthony, is there going to be a Sunday law?
00:32:38
ANTHONY LYDER
Okay.
00:32:40
ANTHONY LYDER
Um, why that, that sound of effect. Um, is there going to be one? I think that for most of my adult life, I would have unequivocally said probably not. I think the last five to 10 years have made me see a possibility where it could happen. And I think the last month has convinced me even more how easily it could happen. That's what I think.
00:33:07
Sean
Hmm. Interesting. Okay. Predictions.
00:33:12
ANTHONY LYDER
I think of all, sorry, of a final caveat.
00:33:12
Sean
Predictions. Uh, interesting.
00:33:14
ANTHONY LYDER
I think of all three branches of government are red. I think it happens easily. I think it it happens absolutely easily. Yeah.
00:33:22
Sean
Interesting.
00:33:23
swts
I think if all three branches of government are blue, I think we're all just very sad.
00:33:30
ANTHONY LYDER
I don't disagree. I don't know that it's better, but nice.
00:33:33
swts
No, because, because it's because blue, like blue is set.
00:33:35
Sean
But, but we'll all have, we'll all have electric vehicles by 2035.
00:33:38
swts
It's much simpler than you're making.
00:33:40
ANTHONY LYDER
Bless.
00:33:41
swts
I'm thinking about getting in Tesla.
00:33:42
ANTHONY LYDER
well
00:33:43
swts
We'll see how that goes.
00:33:43
Sean
Yeah. You got it.
00:33:44
ANTHONY LYDER
You really should.
00:33:44
Sean
You got that truck, right? Jesse, you got the truck.
00:33:46
ANTHONY LYDER
The Cybertruck?
00:33:48
swts
No. No, I got, my mom was like, you know, here, well you can use our truck.
00:33:48
Sean
No, no, he got a truck.
00:33:52
ANTHONY LYDER
I didn't know that.
00:33:53
swts
No, I know. She's like, you can use a truck, but I'm like, I kind of want to get a Tesla. So we'll see. We'll see if I become a flaming liberal.
00:34:00
swts
I think that's what happens if you get a Tesla, right?
00:34:00
ANTHONY LYDER
Come and join.
00:34:00
Sean
Okay. Okay. Really quick predictions for president.
00:34:02
ANTHONY LYDER
Come and join.
00:34:04
Sean
Uh, if it's going to be Trump, uh, Harris or the democratic party, or tell me why it's going to be RFK how to percent, you know, i' unanimous vote.
00:34:13
swts
Okay. Uh, Anthony.
00:34:17
ANTHONY LYDER
Predictions, oh my word. um This is a really on the spot, I don't know. I think, ooh, I think if it's if it's Kamala, I don't think she can beat Trump.
00:34:33
swts
Okay.
00:34:33
ANTHONY LYDER
That's my prediction.
00:34:34
swts
Sean, Sean, what's your prediction?
00:34:38
Sean
I don't think there's any way Trump loses. I'm going all in on Trump winning in November.
00:34:44
ANTHONY LYDER
Wow. i still think that i still I still think the right person can beat him.
00:34:46
Sean
and't I don't think there's any path.
00:34:47
swts
Ben Carson.
00:34:50
Sean
i
00:34:50
ANTHONY LYDER
I still think the right person can beat him.
00:34:51
Sean
I'm happy to eat my words.
00:34:52
swts
I think.
00:34:52
Sean
i'm I'm just telling you, I don't see a path. I'm not saying I think he's the best for the country. I'm saying I don't see any path after what happened to him combined with Biden, combined with the lack of trust in the Democratic Party right now to write that ship in four months. And it help and and by the way, it's not just four months.
00:35:07
ANTHONY LYDER
I don't know.
00:35:09
Sean
It has to happen like but by the convention.
00:35:11
ANTHONY LYDER
Because here's the thing, here's the thing, Sean, Biden lost pretty much the entire Gen Z and most younger millennial votes, right? With like everything going on in Israel, pretty much. We could kind of anecdotally say that, but someone who, someone with policies, maybe be more in line with many younger people could sweep the entire Gen Z and and millennial vote.
00:35:28
Sean
that But they have to have charisma and a backing of recognition, face recognition. You can't create that.
00:35:34
ANTHONY LYDER
That's true. You're right.
00:35:35
Sean
You can't create that in four months. There's no way unless they're on.
00:35:37
swts
The problem is that face recognition is how they end up getting control over all of us. And they end up like enslaving all of us to the AI tech that's coming. So I don't know about face recognition on that.
00:35:48
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, that's true. it blue If blue then we'll all be robots by 2050.
00:35:56
swts
If red wins, then we're going to all be, or all of our wives will end up being a tradwives and.
00:35:56
Sean
I think the best
00:36:00
ANTHONY LYDER
It'll be hand-made still.
00:36:02
Sean
Yeah, the the best they could do Anthony is to come up with a legitimately good, maybe younger candidate that puts in a good fight.
00:36:02
ANTHONY LYDER
we didn't meet still
00:36:11
Sean
this November that could build up some goodwill for the next election cycle.
00:36:12
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:36:15
Sean
I go back and forth on if that would hurt their chances to lose to Donald Trump.
00:36:18
ANTHONY LYDER
I don't know.
00:36:19
Sean
It might be worth holding the cards close if you have a truly good candidate for next time and to build them up two years prior. But there could be something about like put someone there to build up some goodwill and say, hey, they actually did well. They have a hope for that for for next time. but
00:36:34
Sean
i I actually, I don't know because if they're the, I don't know if there's any precedent for a a finalist, you know what I mean by final, like the final nominee that loses, that actually ever in US history comes back and wins the presidency, except for now, Donald Trump, right?
00:36:34
ANTHONY LYDER
o
00:36:39
ANTHONY LYDER
her Yeah, nominee.
00:36:52
Sean
ah He's coming back after losing the main election and trying again and will probably win. But I don't know if that can, if that would actually hurt the Democratic Party, but I i personally think i I could eat my words in a month from now.
00:37:05
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, you don't think anyone can beat him.
00:37:05
Sean
We're recording this. We're recording this in late July. um I just don't i don't see a path forward for the the party this the Democratic Party this election cycle.
00:37:13
ANTHONY LYDER
If it was Biden, I would have agreed with you. I don't think there was any situation where Biden could have beat him, but I think with the right person.
00:37:21
Sean
paris yeah but Look, Biden just endorsed Harris.
00:37:22
ANTHONY LYDER
and
00:37:24
Sean
It's going to hurt if it's not Harris by the convention. there's like They have to figure out someone that can beat the guy that is currently president just endorsed. like What a hot mess that would make for the party.
00:37:35
ANTHONY LYDER
i
00:37:37
Sean
who who trust Who do you trust?
00:37:37
ANTHONY LYDER
i
00:37:38
Sean
It splits the base. There's no way they can unite in that amount of time.
00:37:39
ANTHONY LYDER
I don't know if don't know if she um't know if she could do this, but if she stood up in a debate and said, I will end support for the war in Israel, I think she wins.
00:37:50
swts
I don't think so. I think that there's, I think that it would, i no, but I think, I think, no, but that's, that's where you get the religious side of it.
00:37:51
Sean
It split the other base.
00:37:51
ANTHONY LYDER
I think she wins.
00:37:53
Sean
It split the other side.
00:37:55
ANTHONY LYDER
because but I think half of Republicans would vote for it.
00:38:00
ANTHONY LYDER
i think
00:38:02
swts
Like the support for Israel is a major aspect of the evangelical support for Trump.
00:38:07
ANTHONY LYDER
But I'm talking about like mode moderate non-Christian Republicans.
00:38:10
swts
No, I don't think like, I don't, I still don't think you get that.
00:38:13
ANTHONY LYDER
You don't think so?
00:38:14
swts
No, but because Trump already, Trump already wants to put pressure.
00:38:15
ANTHONY LYDER
Because the motivation for to protect Israel is mostly religious.
00:38:18
swts
Trump's all Trump already wants to put pressure on all these, other like he wants to put pressure on Ukraine and all of this other stuff. Like I think he just got way too much going from him on that. My prediction is ultimately my prediction is that Trump wins.
00:38:24
Sean
And now he's got the sympathy card. He's got the sympathy card after being shot.
00:38:27
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, it's just these.
00:38:32
swts
Um, and then my second prediction is that ultimately there's a nuclear war and
00:38:43
ANTHONY LYDER
From who? Who launches first?
00:38:46
swts
i I honestly think like i think that the nuclear war, was that?
00:38:48
Sean
SpaceX.
00:38:51
Sean
SpaceX launches. they've got They've got a secret silo.
00:38:52
swts
Well, I think the nuclear war, I think what's going to happen ultimately is that you're going to get all the billionaires who have power in the world and they're going to, they're going to have, they're going to gain a whole following from all these different people.
00:38:55
ANTHONY LYDER
on
00:39:03
swts
And the war won't be between nations. It will be be between Elon Musk and his electric vehicles and like the oil, the oil companies.
00:39:08
ANTHONY LYDER
and Everyone else?
00:39:13
swts
And I think then long-term Trump tries to step into it, but he's too old. So it's going to have to be somebody else long-term.
00:39:19
ANTHONY LYDER
i my There no after.
00:39:19
swts
And then I think. I think after the nuclear war, we emerge from, we and we where there's a set certain stuff subset of people that that that emerge from underground bunkers.
00:39:25
ANTHONY LYDER
We're dead. It's all out.
00:39:32
swts
And then that's what fallout 70, you know, like that whole thing. I think then we end up living out the fallout timeline.
00:39:38
Sean
Fallout 76, so we've become a mediocre video game.
00:39:39
swts
So,
00:39:41
Sean
That's the timeline we're in.
00:39:42
ANTHONY LYDER
Someone's taking shots.
00:39:44
Sean
Sorry, that was a deep cut.
00:39:44
swts
Sean, I think there's a whole group of people that want to start a nuclear war against you now.
00:39:45
Sean
Deep cut.
00:39:49
ANTHONY LYDER
true I'm not one of them.
00:39:50
Sean
I feel like Fallout 76 was pretty universally panned, but OK.
00:39:50
ANTHONY LYDER
I didn't play Fallout.
00:39:54
ANTHONY LYDER
It was one of the worst ones, for sure.
00:39:56
Sean
This just became a gaming conversation.
00:39:56
swts
But my point being, my point being is that my actual, my real prediction is I think Trump wins this one.
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00:40:03
swts
Um, and I think that there's, I think we're already in the midst of a conservative swing back, um, on a lot of stuff. And it will be interesting to see how long that lasts, but I think we might hit a conservative swing back for, for, you know, the next decade ish and then we'll swing back the other direction.
00:40:10
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, for sure.
00:40:19
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh.
00:40:19
swts
But I don't know, honestly, i I don't, yeah, I guess I agree with you guys. I don't know if if I see anybody actually being able to challenge Donald Trump, but yeah, I mean, except for like, if we could get Morgan Freeman, he's
00:40:27
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:40:38
Sean
Vice President Christian Bale.
00:40:38
swts
getting old.
00:40:40
ANTHONY LYDER
He might be able to do it.
00:40:41
swts
I just feel like Morgan Freeman is everybody's president.
00:40:43
ANTHONY LYDER
The voice alone.
00:40:44
swts
I think, I think he's already everybody's president in our hearts.
00:40:45
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:40:48
Sean
But he's already played God, so that creates the whole problem of politics and religion.
00:40:52
ANTHONY LYDER
It does.
00:40:56
ANTHONY LYDER
i I have on a serious note, I've been.
00:40:56
swts
That was all for that. Are you right? That's a problem. Steve Krell's out too. No, no, who who else played? No, that was Evan Almighty. He played Noah.
00:41:04
ANTHONY LYDER
It was Evan.
00:41:05
swts
Nevermind.
00:41:06
ANTHONY LYDER
I've been having many conversations with my senior pastor about the we debate all the time. Evan is theology and um I don't think he might be saying that he's going to listen to this. I don't think he might be saying this. He debates for.
00:41:19
Sean
I think he's not going to have a job in two weeks.
00:41:20
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, he's gonna fire me, no.
00:41:22
swts
yeah
00:41:22
ANTHONY LYDER
Michael, love you, man. um he Him and I often debate about the eminence of Jesus' return and the eminence of Adventist eschatology. And I often...
00:41:30
Sean
Oh, save this for its own episode, Anthony. That's that's that needs to be its own episode right there.
00:41:33
ANTHONY LYDER
Well, we can talk about it again, but it it relates relates to this.
00:41:35
swts
And then you've said, you've said, you've said the exact words to me that you want to preach a sermon that says that the title of which is Jesus isn't coming back soon.
00:41:42
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah. Well, probably, Jesus is probably not coming back soon, is the is the title of my sermon.
00:41:46
swts
No, no, no, no. You wanted the shock value. You wanted the shock value on it.
00:41:49
ANTHONY LYDER
I, oh, but you, you believe I did, but I wanted it.
00:41:51
swts
and
00:41:53
Sean
hahaha
00:41:53
ANTHONY LYDER
Since going to seminary, I changed it to probably. And, but I will say in the past six months or so in our conversations, I have been more convinced about an imminent, imminent eschatology. And I think the current state of American politics makes me ah even more convinced.
00:42:11
swts
Anthony, that's the most American-centric nonsense that I've ever heard in my entire life.
00:42:16
ANTHONY LYDER
I think if you read revelation,
00:42:17
swts
You you are Canadian, and you are you are saying to us right now that the United States is more important than Canada.
00:42:22
ANTHONY LYDER
Mm hmm.
00:42:26
swts
So if you're not a traitor to your own country,
00:42:27
ANTHONY LYDER
You know what? right. That is a cardinal Canadian sin. I'm just saying that it's so clear, at least to me. That the United States is the land base of revelation, and I think we might be. I think it's I think it's I i think we're I think we're headed down. I think we're head headed down the road. I think we're headed down the road.
00:42:47
Sean
Buckle up.
00:42:49
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah.
00:42:49
swts
And then we've been headed down the road for the last 2000 years. Okay.
00:42:53
ANTHONY LYDER
I think, I think we're headed down the road.
00:42:55
Sean
Hey, if it if it happens, stay locked here.
00:42:56
swts
So, so saying, so we're going to be, yeah remember in 2012, remember the 2012 of the guy who's like crazy.
00:42:57
Sean
Stay locked here at Seeking What They Sought. We're going to have a live stream during the end times.
00:43:01
ANTHONY LYDER
<unk>re We're gonna live stream Armageddon.
00:43:01
Sean
We're going to keep you. We'll have plenty of
00:43:07
ANTHONY LYDER
What guy?
00:43:08
swts
He he's like in, he's like in this camp. He's the guy's like, he's like kind of crazy and weird, but he's got like a radio station out of his like really beat up RV. And and he's he's like he's like the guy who was like, everyone thought he was crazy, but he ended up being right.
00:43:19
ANTHONY LYDER
Okay, yeah.
00:43:23
swts
That's going to be us. There's going to be three of us running out of it out of an old beat up RV, just like saying things that sound like conspiracy theories.
00:43:24
ANTHONY LYDER
Oh, yes. It was a, we were right.
00:43:30
swts
conspiracy theories but But we're going to be, we'll be at that point. This is why I said we needed to talk about this ultimately is because if we're going to be the voice in the end, then we have to, we have to take our position now.
00:43:40
ANTHONY LYDER
Yeah, you're right.
00:43:42
swts
And so you heard it here first. You heard it here first. I don't know what you heard exactly here first, but you heard it here first.
00:43:48
ANTHONY LYDER
You heard it here first.
00:43:48
Sean
Heard a lot of things here first.
00:43:50
ANTHONY LYDER
And then after the Trump election, alien invasion, that's my next prediction, but they're going to be friendly.
00:43:58
swts
What if
00:43:58
ANTHONY LYDER
mike
00:44:00
ANTHONY LYDER
Actually.
00:44:01
swts
They'd be the most wild thing on the planet that ever happened.
00:44:04
Sean
All right, Jesse.
00:44:04
swts
Aliens show up, aliens show up and they're, and they're friends.
00:44:05
ANTHONY LYDER
actually
00:44:08
ANTHONY LYDER
Hostile aliens would be one of the few things that seriously, no, I think it would cause me to probably like deeply question my faith.
00:44:12
swts
Could you unite the world?
00:44:18
ANTHONY LYDER
Like a hostile alien invasion. If they were friendly, I'd be like, fine. But if they're hostile, if we're being turned into alien burgers and we're on a spaceship and we're like out towards Antares, the star, I'm like, I guess we were wrong.
00:44:21
Sean
This suddenly just, this this just became Joe Rogan. Like at some point we're just going to be doing pot on, on seeking what they sought.
00:44:37
swts
Ahh!
00:44:38
ANTHONY LYDER
Because Sean's already dead. He's already a burger. I guess we were wrong. I mean either that or we got so we got something the wrong. Maybe that's a good place to end.
00:44:53
Sean
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00:44:56
ANTHONY LYDER
yeah
00:44:57
Sean
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ANTHONY LYDER
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