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Speaker: Welcome to the Italian football podcast. Just quickly, never give us give us. Well, I say quickly. We're trying to make it quick. Which is not a quick thing for you. So on Thursday, it was announced the Juventus have had their 15 point Serie A penalty revoked pending pending the new trial in the in the capital gains case. And the case will now go to the FIGC federal court of appeal for the last final judgment. So that is not the
Speaker: final judgement because the judgement goes against and they could appeal, Juventus could appeal. For what will hopefully be the final judgement, but maybe won't, might not be. So this pushed Juventus at the sign up to third place in Serie A. The bands for Andrea Nieli, Maurizio Ali Babene, Federico
Speaker: I'm going to ask you a few questions. I want you to to answer these questions just just as a kind of like simple
Speaker: straightforward, no opinions, just simple legal Q &A questions. So first, because we know the Italian law is just a total joke and a total mess. So this might help explain things for the layman. So first of all, when will this final appeal be heard? And will it be finished to affect the final standings this season? Or could the points penalties be pushed over to next season? This is specifically in the capital gains case.
Speaker: The answer is all options are on the table, honestly, because what is going to happen is we're going to have a retrial for Juventus point deductions. As you mentioned, the Arivabena, Kirubini, Angelis, Paratici, their convictions were upheld.
Speaker: This is just Juventus for the points deduction for capital gains. That trial needs to be redone completely. And when that is and how much that is, look, UEFA will demand from the Italian FA to speed this process up because they have a break -off point where every league has to be decided.
Speaker: in order for the next season to begin. That's just how it is. And UEFA are going to demand that this is sorted in some manner. They won't go in and tell the FIGC what to do, but they will tell them we need a final decision on the league table for this season that's completed so that we can start next season. Almost the deadline for that.
Speaker: I can't tell you with 100 % certainty, but it used to be somewhere around mid -July, but things have changed a lot in the last 10 -15 years. The last time I was looking at this was in 2006.
Speaker: for obvious reasons, but since then a lot could have happened. But there is a break -off point at which UEFA will tell people, we need to know what the final league table is, because we need to move forward, because we need to know who's going to be in our tournaments and competitions.
Speaker: So that's just going to, that'll put pressure on them. So that's going to have to be sorted. But what it means in terms of points penalties, if it's pushed to next season or go to this season, I couldn't tell you that right now. No one can. Every option is possible and plausible right now.
Speaker: Okay. What do you expect to happen? Well, this is something where I've got to say I've changed my mind because of what Corny, because of Corny's verdict, because of the fact that they did uphold the convictions of Arriba, Arriba Bena, Aniele, Kirubini and Paratici. I think it's more likely now than not that there will be some form of point deduction for Juventus, for the plus Valenza case.
Speaker: how much that will be, I can't imagine that it's more than six, seven points. I really can't, because it's clear that they felt that the 15 points were far too harsh and that they weren't as they and the way that they worded it.
Speaker: not just the judgment, but the prosecutor said there was a lack of clarity with regards to the justification of the 15 points. So that suggests to me that they were not happy with how this decision was reached, but at the same time, they also upheld the convictions and bans of Aniali, Arivabena, Kerubini, and Paratici, which again,
Speaker: Article 4, ethics, if you act in a way, whether or not you succeed with something that's not allowed, just trying to do it is in and of itself an offense. And them holding those convictions and upholding them to me suggests that
Speaker: that they are moving towards a situation where they will give Juventus a few points. I don't think it's going to be anywhere near 15. I'd say around somewhere between three to six. That's what I would guess that this ends up. But of course, Juventus can then appeal that, and it wouldn't surprise me that when all is said and done, Juventus don't get anything at the end of that appeal.
Speaker: then that could push it into next season anyway, right? Do they get the points back before the appeal or does it stay? Well, that remains to be seen because it depends on the process. If it's going to take such a long time, then the FIGC will have to just confirm and say this season is finished and then we'll push it to next season. Again, all those options are on the table.
