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Speaker: Hello, everybody, and welcome to another episode of Chatsunami. My name's Chatsunami, and joining me today is none other than the long overdue guest himself. It is Kurt Sasso from the Two Geeks Talking podcast. His words, not mine. Kurt, welcome to Chatsunami at last. How are you doing? Honestly, we have been circling, crossing like ships in the night for so many years through social media, through seven different platforms at that. And finally, on threads, we connect for the first time ever. So I can't wait to... you on the show it's been amazing yeah because i always see your avatar pop up and everything i'm like oh it's that guy and then you go into another platform and it's like oh it's that guy again honestly brand recognition is very important guys it is so helpful when you're like is that the guy from the thing oh yeah that's yeah yeah yeah yeah great great but you're completely right though because as you said and I love that description it's as if I've been peeking out my blinds being like maybe not today maybe tomorrow maybe today but today as you said is indeed that day honestly it's a pleasure to have you on today because yeah we're going to be talking about well you know the drill by now this is season seven of chat tsunami where has the time gone i don't know i am a withered husk hunched over my editing desk being like yep Seven years, seven long years soon. But of course, as I was saying, you're on the absolutely fantastic Two Geeks Talking podcast. Am I right in saying that you've been going at this for a lot longer than... The reason I ask this is because I was asking you before this, oh, do you want me to bring up anything? And I asked this of all my guests. And am I right in saying you said you've been doing this for roughly 18 years? It's been exactly 18 years as of August 8th of this year. Yeah, it has been a long, long... Long journey. I almost feel like the Highlander, there can only be one type situation where I just feel like I've trudged through the history of technology and podcasting and video interviews and well over 1 ,200 plus guests to the point that i even I've forgotten how many that I've actually interviewed. It just feels like it's a day -to -day situation of who's my next guest? Have I talked with them before? Is this their fifth time or longer on the show type situation? Or is this someone brand new? And I'm still going.
Speaker: But out of curiosity, what inspired you back then to start this type of show? Because I'm going to be honest, and usually when I ask this question, I always kind of expect someone to say, much like myself, oh, I started out either just before the lockdowns or I started it during the lockdowns, you know, as a kind of outlet and a hobby. But I mean, podcasting and you have radio shows and things like that. So podcasting isn't an out there type concept. But what inspired you back then to start? it Well, it's funny because podcasting technically started in 2004 and I had not even known about it until years later. And how I got into it was, you know, that phrase that everyone spouts out today is let's start a podcast. Well, back in 2008, I actually said to a good friend of mine, Phil, who was creating webcomics .com before Brad Geiger took it over for, of course, his amazing work that he does on that website currently. But Phil was putting together a webcomics database specifically. for indie comic creators. So webcomic creators. And I said to him, well, we have this database of amazing, talented, creative comic creators and writers and artists and all that stuff. We should do a podcast. And he's like, go ahead. I had no idea how to start a podcast. I had to go to podcastanswerman .com with Cliff Ravenscruff, who's still going on to this day. He's a real trooper in the podcast sphere when it comes to tutorials and things like that. But I had to learn technology, how to host, how to get people to call in. the show how to even approach people through email like that's an art in itself and social media was just getting into play where geocities was a website that was around for a long time what else talk shoe was the original host of two geeks talking or back then it was called two geeks talking web comics and for about four years or so we were hosted on talk shoe and then phil had to go off and life happened with him unfortunately so i had to take over the show myself and start approaching it from a, how do I actually interview people? How do I be a good host? What do I do to keep them coming back? Am I asking good questions? I was a, and I still kind of am a severely introverted person. I may not appear like that when we're chatting, but sometimes there's days where I just want to step back and sleep. But the podcast moves on, the show moves on. And 12, 18 years later now, it's been going strong. And in 2012, I switched from podcasting to video interviews with, or sorry, 2010 with putting everything on YouTube. So I had to learn videography. I had to learn a video. editing I had to learn equipment in terms of, can I use this Sony hand microphone? I'm sure it'll be perfectly fine when I try to sync it with audio, right? It did not, as the narrator says. So there was a lot of trials and tribulations to learning about my own self as an interviewer and then the producing side of things, the editing, the hosting, graphic design, and all those wonderful, fun things that I'm sure you have to deal with as well, too, for seven plus years. Oh, yeah, it's wonderful. I'm loving the dream here, Kurt. I don't know about you, but.
Speaker: and No, you make a fantastic point, though, because I always bring this up, and I cannot emphasize this enough genuinely, when people turn around and it irks me when they say, oh, podcasting, it's just you slap a mic in front of someone, you just speak rubbish, you're keeping it real and everything. I hate that phrase, by the way, keeping it real. And that's just the translation for they never edit their stuff. And you're like, oh, God, please take away the mouth noises. Take away the breathy, careless whispers of mine. but yeah there is so much involved in it as you said you know you've got the editing you've got well the promotion side of it you've got the graphic design side of it it's something that genuinely i think that people going into podcasting think i'll be easy it'll be no problem and everything and i have to say your style of interviewing is really well done and i'm not just saying that a because you're here and b because the paypal check cleared no for real it was honestly fantastic to hear you talk to these creators and yeah just give them a platform to be able to express the content that they create i was listening today to your kyle lawrence one oh yeah that one yeah right and i think the felicia day one as well that was a couple episode before there was honestly so many i was just going i was fucking through each one like that's an amazing one that's amazing i was going down the rabbit hole of two geeks talking but you have such a great style with your guests and everything would you say your style's changed over the years because it's something you mentioned there about having to change yourself and i think that's in a way quite indicative of a lot of content creators that they do change both as people but therefore because they change as people their styles also change do you feel as if you've always been the same with the way that you interact with your guests or it's been a long time Well, I think if you don't change, you don't grow as a person. So from a hosting standpoint, yes, I have changed because as of episode 60, way back in 2012, I think, that was the very first time I became a solo host. So the previous four years, Phil was a great main host. I was a good co -host in terms of counter joking and asking questions and kind of color commentary type situation. But I was never really heavily into asking questions of the guests. as we were doing two -hour live shows where people would just call in constantly, talk about not editing for the first four years. I didn't edit the show whatsoever. It was just raw from start to finish. Hiccups and errors and omissions and all that other stuff aside. As I got more comfortable with myself, and I always say that as of episode 61, I started finding myself as a person and finding myself as a host and finding out what questions did I actually want to ask the guests, not just the standard boilerplate of questions that you... can just pull up on the internet. And this was before AI, by the way, just had to preface that. So I think with learning as we got to episode 100, or as I got to episode 100, 200, 400, episode 1000 plus, the numbers and the downloads and the statistics of the show, while they're great, it didn't matter to me because every show was really about the guest. So I wanted to make the show as as comfortable as possible. And whether that was through my research and looking at the past interviews and maybe asking a question that hasn't been asked yet. before or it had been a while since a similar question was asked of that guest. But I want to know about the process, their creativity, you know, why did they become? however creative they were in whatever field we were speaking on, whether it was TV, film, music, video games, comics, you know, the entertainment industry that I enjoy, which is why I say those in my introductions, because I wanted to originally just talk to comic creators. But when you do 800 interviews in four years, you kind of run the gamut and you can only ask these questions so much. So you have to branch out. And so if it wasn't for Byron Wilkins from 1977, the comics saying, hey, C2E2 is. starting its brand new comic convention in Chicago in 2010, you should come on out and do interviews. So that's what I did. And that's how I got into video and all that stuff. So I have grown as a person. that The show has grown too, but it's always been less about me as a host. And it's always been about the guests specifically. So if you ever listened to an episode, you know, the guest is talking and literally like 95 % of the time. And then I'm ah i'm peppering in questions.
Speaker: because that is something that i do love about the format that you have this kind of preview before you go into the episode you know and it's like it's the guests talking and they kind of introduce the show and then you dive into and it's such a cool way to make them the focal point rather than i mean ironically as i go hello everybody welcome to my show anyway here's this guy but no it's honestly such a great way to do that and as i said to be able to spotlight the guests everything that they want to come on and talk about. And I have to say, I'm quite curious about this because, as you know, talking in this audio -only format, but do you miss doing the audio -only stuff? Because I'm assuming that by now you're obviously used to doing the video interviews and things. Do you miss doing the audio ones or do you prefer doing the video ones now? I miss it and I don't in the sense of... Technology has changed so rapidly since I started. I don't know if there is a safe way to still do audio only other than like through Zencastr or these other platforms. I don't mind going back to audio only, but because I've done video for so long and I always extract my audio from my video, I'm still doing the same show twice and I'm still giving it to YouTube and I'm still uploading it through Podbean and then it's being filtered to 17 other podcast platforms. So I think that video just gives me a little bit of an edge because you can see their reaction rather than audio. You can tell if the question's going to hit or not, or if they're really intrigued by the question you asked and they pause and they think and they hum and they how about said question. Or sometimes you ask a question and they're like, why did you ask that? So sometimes it just depends on the style. But I think personally for me, I like the video side of things because everything's video these days and whether or not you can see video or not, there's still subtitles, there's still audio translations, there's still accessibility to both. platforms i'd rather have twice the amount of reach than i would if i say just did podcast itself even though a podcast is still a huge platform form when it comes to reach of the masses because it is quite a contentious topic and i don't know if you've seen this in threads because i know you and i let's face it we practically work they are more often exactly and everywhere else because it's like oh how's twitter doing not great how's blue sky going not great and then you get to threads and it's usually the same type of question where it's like oh do you prefer audio do you prefer video let's start a debate and it's like you're gonna get the same answers every time aren't you a hundred percent it's just like look there is no difference other than the medium itself between video and audio you create how you want to create. you Your message is still the same on both platforms. It just depends on what you have time to do. The reason why I didn't edit my podcast side of things for the first six years of the show was because I didn't have time. I had a life. I mean, I still kind of have a life, but you know, the show takes it over. Anyhow, with the wrongness of it, it got to the point though, where I started looking at the analytics and saying, no one is watching a two hour interview. What can I do to make this better? So I changed. formats. I went to an hour. I went to 15 minutes. I went to a half hour. And the numbers were basically still the same. If you're not going to hook a person in the first two minutes, you're not going to hook a person. It is what it is. So you work with a format that works best with your style. If a half hour is best for you, stick to the half hour. If you're just testing the waters, then do 10 minute interviews or whatever, or 15 minute if that is your wheelhouse. You may get better numbers in that respect.
Speaker: But it just comes down to do you want to edit the final product? Who's the guest? Are they famous or not? Will they share your interview or not? And will they block you if you keep sharing their interview? That's basically like a cease and desist. Out of curiosity, and obviously I'm not saying name names or anything, but have you ever had any and interviews where it didn't go the way that, this is as diplomatic as possible, but it didn't go the way you thought it would go? Are we talking about pulling teeth because the answers were only one word or? Oh yeah. Follow me, call on me here. The second thing would be, has a guest indicted and or convicted of a felony? Oh wow. That's happened three times and the episodes have never aired. Now available on Patreon. For legal reasons, that's a joke. Their voice has been modified to, you know, sound voice changers and all that stuff. No, they they will never see the light of day. No, no, no. I have had a person who was on the show three times and in the span of multiple years, because I gave them time to find their voice and things like like that. First time, I understandable, they were nervous. Their first time talking about the comic, you know, we got through it. It was fine, but it was very, very tight. lipped and there's not much you can do about that yeah a couple of years later he had a new issue or something like that of the same series like oh cool great let's see how they're doing comes on the show same vibe And then the final time, I think he did another comic or something like that. And it was like a 15 minute interview and there was nothing I could do. I tried my best. I really did. For the love of God, give me something. I just want more than one word, please. But it is what it is. So I made do with what I did and put out the episode and however it.
Speaker: the amount of people that i've had on the podcast and they've said oh by the way this is my first podcast experience and you're like oh oh dear again nothing wrong against them they do fantastic but i'm like okay the pressure's on me not to mess up this experience you know okay this is going to be your first podcast you don't want to come in like the stereotype of what's up guys anyway here's this completely unrelated thing i remember i went on an episode once and it was like to talk about one thing and then they spent half the episode talking about something completely unrelated and then the second half is like oh by the way what do you think of thing that you research and i'm like oh now you want to know it's like now you want to know i mean it is definitely a lot harder i think than people give it credit for especially with your video formats like you do a fantastic job with that but the thing i worry about is i don't want to turn chat tsunami into a zoom meeting like the blurry quality and it's like this is me i'm a floating head you know the floating head out of power rangers is it zordon yeah it's like that just standing up being like today power rangers we're gonna be talking about and you're like oh there has to be the right format i know that from my experience with threads of course there's a lot of people i've seen who feel quite pressured to follow trends in podcasting even if their podcast doesn't work with video They might say, oh, I want to do video anyway. So they move to that. And I remember when I went to the Comic -Cons and things and I was reporting on, like a true journalist, I was reporting on Comic -Con. But I remember I was talking to a lot of the vendors and things like that. And nine times out of 10, when I said, do you want to do video or do you want to do audio? Usually they would say audio only. I mean, they would say kind of reluctantly, oh, if you want to do video, then that's fine. But it was eye -opening to see that a lot of them, they just wanted a microphone. in the face and then that was it. I was gone from the lives kind of thing. But it's definitely that compromise, isn't it, of trying to make your guests feel comfortable. Especially when, and by the way, the journalism at Comic -Cons is still a valid journalism. Don't let that fool you, okay? I mean, I still think it's valid journalism. They can never take my line away from me. It's like, do you know who I am?
Speaker: a content creator here i'm a podcaster darn it let me in i think yes making the guest comfortable on a video interview or podcast is still the same you're still speaking with them no matter what format it is you're still trying to make them comfortable in any way shape or form whether that's giving the questions ahead of time or whether that's you know giving 10 minutes in the green room before you start recording to kind of get them more comfortable with speaking i think even at comic cons themselves i don't even give them the option of audio or video i just do video with the audio component of me putting the microphone back and forth between us that way it just saves me time and i don't have to worry about why is there no image here when he's been doing video all this time etc i think it just comes down to How comfortable you are with speaking with people and how comfortable they are at that particular given time, whether it's Comic -Con or whether it's in the comfort of their own home or whatever, it just comes down to their personality at that particular point. So yeah, as a host, you have to make your guests comfortable. Even if they come back and say, hey, is there any way you can edit out, say this particular thing I said, you know, I wasn't really comfortable saying that, or I shouldn't have said that because I work at XYZ, you know, so I've had to do that a few times, but you know, it's all for the comfort of the. guest you want them back on obviously in the future you want them to say recommend your show to other people too because word of mouth is still a very valid form of social media and you still have to have fun doing it as a host if you're not having fun doing it then why have you done it for x amount of years i'm doing it out of spite at this point but you know i still enjoy i still enjoy talking with people as well too man too angry to stop podcasting yells at cloud in the meantime I mean, it's true, because I think that's the thing as well. And the kind of wider content creation sphere of trying to build up that professional relationship, whether it's your viewers, whether it's your listeners, whether it's, as you said, the person that you're actually interviewing. I think that's another thing that's severely underrated, because just jumping on what you were saying there about, you know, you might have people who come to you and say, oh, I wasn't comfortable with us being in, I wasn't comfortable with that. If anyone came up to me and said that, then I would happily. take it out or edit it out or whatever but the amount of other ones that i've seen and you know the ones i'm talking about the very rough around the edges that they're very much like oh yeah we want as much controversy as possible we want you know the nitty -gritty and things and you think that isn't really and again i know i sound like an old man saying this like that's not very nice but it's not really the way to get successful or to as you said spread through word of mouth because if you leave that in then a the guest is never going to come back on your show like that it's a given but b as well that they're going to tell all their friends like don't go on this podcast because i got bamboozled ambushed and everything it's just ridiculous the hot take method of shows or youtube channels or controversy or just to stir up views and to be honest that is still a very popular thing to do people are getting tired of it but you're still going to get people that are going to click on it and that's really all that matters and today's age of short attention spans and all that other stuff talking about being an old man doing this but i think it just comes back to how do you set yourself apart as a host as a show like what you're doing you have great content throughout the years. You have amazing guests too. I love the fact that you're, you know, a very personable person and speaking with each other. And we have similar vocal lengths in terms of deep voices. So this works out well. So if people enjoy this type of episode or for ASMR, congratulations, you found your show for a loop.
Speaker: First of all, thank you. And second of all, very true. If you want to sign up to our ASMR podcast after this, 2chatsanamistalking .com. Again, legal go reasons, joke, joke. But yeah, no, you're completely right there. So it's something that I was thinking of there, just as you were talking about your journey throughout podcasting, because as you said, podcasting has been around a lot longer than people care to admit. But I always remember, and I don't know if you remember this as well, that YouTube, especially it blew up with you know you had the popular youtubers at the time but you also had this kind of story time format where it was like they would share parts of their life they'd be quite well quote -unquote vulnerable with their viewers and things because it was a different landscape but it is amazing how the seeds were there for podcasting but podcasting itself although don't get me wrong podcasting was still i would say moderately popular but i wouldn't say it's like nowadays where it's like a multi I don't know, million, billion, trillion industry now. It's quite a surprising, isn't it, that it never really took off back then the same as as now. To be honest, though, it's had cycles where, and I can't pinpoint it directly, but we're on like cycle four since podcasting has started, where now it's become popular once more. And it's just like, no, you're not reporting anything new. It's been there all this time. You just didn't pay attention to it when it was valid back in, say, 2008 or 2012 or 2016. You know, during the pandemic, you definitely paid attention because there was nothing else to do. And now we're at 2026 and now you're saying it's popular again. It's just like, it's a great medium, a great format. And the blogging style of videos that people were doing, Vine was doing that well before YouTube was. And then that got bought out by i think Instagram or whatever the case is. So the ability to document your life is now easier to do, especially with TikTok or whatever. And people always want to see someone or or even streaming for that matter. I think what happened was it moved from YouTube. to Twitch. And so it be became, okay, well, YouTube isn't promoting this content anymore. And I still want to connect with my fan base or whatever. I'm going to move to Twitch where it's basically 24 seven and and away we go. So you have to find your audience, no matter where you are, whether you're a podcast or a YouTuber or you're a streamer, and you have to be consistent. And I think that's the hardest part. People see the money and see everything along that line from these famous streamers, but they don't see the work that goes into it. And I think that's the hardest part where they just want instant success, but they don't realize there's so much more you need to actively do. And we've talked about this earlier in the show, but it just comes back to how much effort you're going to put into this because it's not just about asking and questions and then posting it up and then putting the proper description in and then the keywords and then just praying people will like it. You still have to ask. actively promoted on your seven different social media accounts and your live streams and your reels and your stories and, and, and, and, and, and that's not me stuttering. So. I just think that find the platform that works best for you, whether it's TikTok or whether it's Instagram or whatever it is, and just be consistent on that platform. Still share it to the others, but focus on one and build up from there. Build your audience and see what happens. Because, I mean, would you say that the content creation landscape nowadays is just completely different? For me, I know there was differences in between the 2010s and everything that went from these people blogging. vlogging and everything then it went to more the let's play styles and things and then as soon as 2020 hit i feel as if there was just like a massive shift i agree yeah every decade has shown something different or new or popular i think with and even before i think 2010 was the start of the mr beast era of content creators and that
Speaker: basically spiked the sameness of every other content creator that ever propped up on the social media, especially YouTube, because everyone was doing a Let's Play like you mentioned. Everyone was doing vlog content. Everyone was saying, oh, I went to Canada and I got these sweets sent to me and I'm going to try them out type thing. that It just became the same blender of the same videos constantly throughout. There is no uniqueness because no one wants to be unique.
Speaker: on a platform where everything is about engagement and views. And shows like ours, at least, are different because we're talking to a different person every time or every episode because that's what we need to do in order, one, to stay sane, sort of. We try, you know. es and flows But it also allows us to provide a platform for different people because we don't want to do the same content as everyone else because that's not our style of show. Our long format shows are not going to hit the same audiences as these. quick 30 second sound bites and video clips but it doesn't mean that our content isn't as valuable as that because the people speaking them are giving their life experiences that no one else has and if you can cater to that uniqueness every episode then you're already different from the start and so you don't have to worry about being the same as everyone else and you don't have to worry about the sponsorships or everything that is already attached to these other successful people because while that helps you it's not your motivation that is the thing that i think is quite and again i don't mean to be a bit of a bummer here to say this is the sad thing about content creation yeah i'm gonna slap that on the thumbnail just your picture of the red panda crying it's like the real truth the dark red arrow here i've heard so many times a lot of content creators say things like oh i want to be the next x or i want to be the next y or whatever but they don't want to be the first version of themselves and i know that sounds very disney channel bear with me but in fact is it's like there are so many people out there with so many unique voices and takes on certain issues and to hear them say no no no i don't want to put myself out there because don't get me wrong it is quite nerve -wracking putting yourself out there i'm sure you feel the same way as well that when you're putting your content out there you're putting a piece of yourself out there so there's almost that sense of detachment that these people are saying oh right i did this content because it's a trend or it's copying another creator so if i fail it's not me that's failed it's this format that's failed which again it's just such a sin to see these really amazing creators feel as if they are you know hindered by this that they feel as if they need to go into these trends and i'm gonna hit you with the hard -hitting questions here because let's face it the the landscape seems to be shifting more towards the ai sphere just now i'm sure you've never heard of that topic before A -I? What does the A stand for? I think it's pronounced Al, maybe. ah I don't quite know. I totally didn't do a four -hour episode on it. Yeah, it seems that a lot of people are kind of slipping into that complacency with AI. I mean, in terms of the content creation sphere, because we could probably do a whole 10 hours about all the horribleness of AI and everything, but it does feel as if content creators are leaning more into it, aren't they? Yeah. The good thing about the people that I speak with, they're all against AI. So whether they're a comic creator, especially if they're a comic creator or or anyone in the field of entertainment, they really don't like using AI. While it's an easy out for a lot of people, unfortunately, the slop that gets created by them are really, we should be calling AI slop machines instead of AI machines or large language models, just call them slop machines and you're all set. It's just, yeah, it's an easy route, but you know, once you put your your voice into that content, your voice is lost. Now your voice is used for purposes that your voice should not be intended to. Same with your images, the same with your face. you know Once you put this content into there, it's there. There's no consent. There's no payment to do this, at least not for the regular person, maybe for the famous people, sure. But you know you see the creators that get their content scraped by AI and you wonder why people hate them. Well, because that experience that they put onto paper. or digital or whatever is now used in something else that they have no control over so eventually it's going to burst i hope with a passion it's going to burst but the way things are being filtered into it there's only so much that you can actively do with it and i try to stay away from it 100 as much as possible because there's only so much you can do with it before you start losing yourself as a creative person i have seen other people use it kind of sparingly and everything and i don't want this to be me pulling out the list being like this person that bit absolutely terrible there are so many you know talented artists out there that could easily do your logos and things or if you need a theme song although i feel as if even nowadays it's a lot harder to find these people because i remember once i really wanted a theme song for the podcast and this was like way back in season two maybe three and i put out a call to action and then i was like oh can someone do this for me you know obviously i'll commission you and the amount of people being like oh i'll do you logo for you and i'm like but i don't need a logo a logo is fine what are you talking about i'll do your logo i'm like no no you you sit in the corner and it's the amount of bots that have and again i think this was kind of before ai became really prevalent because especially during lockdown i did a lot of streaming and things and i would get targeted a lot by these i called like gfx artists you would know them if you saw them you know they are all the same style and everything and yeah this does not fit what i'm looking for and i got extremely lucky with the people that i found um to do my stuff but it's just it's getting kind of harder isn't it to try and weed out who's genuine 100 i mean i got seriously lucky with my logo because don griffin a comic creator who's also a marketing designer a graphic designer for marketing campaigns she designed my logo and i've had this for basically the entirety of my show for at least 17 years and i paid her for it and she did an amazing job and like you said brand recognition like when i see you on threads i know it's you because you have a great logo and it's just something that sticks out along the masses of insert face here with an outline and a shadow and some stupid expression you know it's just like no there's so much you can actively do to when you start approaching the proper people and that's where vetting the people you speak with come into play that's where word of mouth comes into play with a lot of people that's where you approach your own personal network and say hey i'm looking for X, Y, and Z. Do you know anyone that can actively do this? No AI i please seems to be the common phrase in all emails these days. I just really feel that it takes a lot more research of your own time to find what you're looking for these days. And half the time you have to figure, is this a real article or is this a real person or is this a bot or am I actually speaking with a person? And while asking the question of, are you sure you're not an AI seems rude, unfortunately, it's a necessity for us in the creative field. That's it. thing as well because i don't know how it is in canada just now but especially in the uk if you go down the high street or even go through any town or whatever and they've got posters for the business i swear to god i feel as if there's more ai leaflets and things popping up nowadays and it's always the same style it's always the same wow amazing and it's like just text text text text it's like what are you selling What, an eye test? It's like, no, no, we're selling burgers. I'm like, I could not tell that, to be quite honest. I get it. It's easy for someone to type in and say, oh, I want to do this. Because the one that scares me, I don't know if you've seen this, the websites that can create AI podcasts for you. I've seen them. Skynet stuff. Yeah, it just gets ridiculous to the point of, why do you even have a show at that point? If you just want computers to talk to each other, I think you could get Clippy and The Terminator 2 talking to each other. through some website or whatever and away you go do you know what i miss it was at microsoft sam or something it was like the text to speech yeah yeah whatever happened to that they're still around they've just migrated to windows now great times yeah if clippy would have been able to talk back in the old microsoft office days i think that would have been the start of the end of times oh absolutely on that note i'm future proofing the episode clippy if you're listening to this come on the podcast cats Either mine or Curse, you know, anyone. Again, for legal reasons, that is a joke. Just before I move on. Have you ever had, see the, and it's something that you touched on earlier, saying that it takes a certain kind of art to be able to reach out to people. Do you ever have any interesting, let's say the diplomatic word again, interesting pitches for people who want to come on to your show? I've had some where they're just not the right fit. You get those marketers or you get things that are like really. estate or something like that. And your platform is great for this guest and blah, blah, blah. And I'm thinking you haven't even looked at any of the interviews that I've done. Even the title itself is two geeks talking entertainment interviews. Five seconds of research would tell you this is not the right pitch. So that I think is public relations people trying to find shows to get their clients on where they're just broad reaching everything, broad stroking everything. And it's just like you have to email them back, say, look, this person does not fit my style. if they were in entertainment sure let's have them on but fill out this questionnaire first before we go any further of actually scheduling you because maybe there's something in what you're talking about that doesn't quite fit morals values etc of what the show's been built on. So you have to vet your own guests, unfortunately. You can't just simply give them the calendar and say, hey, have fun, schedule something, and away we go. Oh, oh absolutely. The amount of guests that I've had to email or reach out to me, and I have to say, it's not a massive amount yet, but there have been a fair few where they've come up and they've been like, oh, I promote this platform. And then you look at it and you think. oh that's AI that's AI on my computer but no or there was another one that was a person who I think they wrote in a book or something and then I looked at it and I was like okay you've generated the cover with AI I am not confident now that you haven't generated the whole book with AI kind of thing and it's like you look at these different as you said you completely have to vet them there was one I remember this was years back where I was talking to them and they seemed like have you ever had this where they seem like lovely people you chat away to them and everything and then you see that one post on their social media and you go Oh, that is not good. You have to be your own secretary or public relations person. Unfortunately, it's just another hat in the 12 others that you currently have when you're running your own show and you're your own producer and host and editor and social media manager and you know accountant and all this other stuff. It's just like you only have so much time in the day and you just want to be as efficient as possible. And vetting forms, Google forms, things like that have solved a lot of my issues these days. I just have to remember to go back to them every so often. and figure garre if anyone's applied to them or not. so But if you've been on the show in the past, you already have my email or you've already contacted me through social media. And that's usually half the battle right there. And then and we can get ah into the, you know, if I know who you are or if I've spoken to you in the past, you pretty much get a pass as it is, unless you've not shared any content or any interviews of yours in the past. Then that's kind of a little bit of a sticking point. Because there honestly is nothing worse than being like, oh, I can't wait to interview this person. And then they come away with the most heinous take. And you're like, hmm.
Speaker: That's getting cut. That's getting deleted. No, no, we're not doing that. Well, that hour interview I had went down to five minutes. Who knew? I remember, and again, it wasn't anything overly controversial, but I remember I had a guest on season one of the early seasons for anonymity sake, one of the earlier seasons. And I remember I had to cut out a huge chunk at the end, a good 10 to 20 minutes, because the interview itself was fine, even though they were a bit excited about being on the podcast. that's all finding good and then they came away with a rude version of you know snog marry avoid that kind of thing but a more crude version let's just say and i was like hmm i cannot put this on the show i mean don't get me wrong we're not like oh chats and army the family friendly show but at the same time there has to be a line there i was like oh yeah yeah you have to it really comes down to what are your morals what are your values what is the content you want to showcase on your show itself because it is your show and they are your guests But it's really a give and take. It's like, what are you as a host getting out of it? What are your listeners or viewers getting out of the guests that you have on the show? Do they actually provide value for you or for your guests? And, you know, it's either hand in hand or you get more out of it than your guests may, but it's still a good episode either way. And it may may not be this particular audience that reacts to said guests, but down the road, because this is like an evergreen content show, the information may be valid to someone in the future. You never know. And even when I listen back to... and I'm assuming you do this as well. Do you listen back to your episodes? Oh God, no. probably I have heard enough when I edit, so I'm good. There's a limit to how much I can listen to the same episode. It's like if I've edited it, then I have to re -listen to it to make sure I haven't made any mistakes while editing. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to have to leave that episode for a couple of weeks. I cannot stay here and listen to this over and over again. I'll be getting carted out in a padded room and I'll be like, oh, the acoustics are great in here. I should start a podcast. A great room. But yeah, I'll listen. to some of my past episodes, but only to a certain point, I would say. Maybe around mid -season two -ish. And again, it's not like, I swear to God, it's not a vanity thing to be like, listen to how amazing I am. But whenever I listen back to them, I feel as if they're time capsules of that kind of person I was at that time and the kind of person that my guests were at that time. Because it is funny listening back to that and it's like, oh, what have you got planned? And it'll be things like, you know, my friend. saying something like, oh, I can't wait to see that new Marvel film. And you know, in my head right now, I'm thinking, oh yeah, Doomsday, that's coming out soon. And he's like, yeah, that new one, Endgame. And I'm like, oh yeah, once upon a time, that was a new film. But it is really cool to see the progress of everybody go through the podcast. And this as you said, you want a show that people are going to listen to the older stuff, they're going to listen to the newer stuff, and they're still going to get that same level of enjoyment. You don't want... and we were joking about this well mainly me but we were joking about this before we came on to record tonight where it's like when inexperienced interviewers come on then you know they read off the script and everything and there's nothing wrong with that don't get me wrong but it's when they read it word for word like what is your favorite type of geeky topic two geeks talking podcast yes i am an interviewer next and frost to that yeah finding your rhythm is tough yeah Yeah, you're right. Every episode that is not today in the present day is a time capsule. Like you said, it is. And that's a perfect analogy for who you are as a person and who they are as a guest. And the interview that you've had with, say, a guest that comes back after 10 years may be completely different, whether their viewpoint, their worldview, political or whatever the case may be. There's so much more that could be going on that you don't know about other than the questions you ask. So you just have to go with the flow of the interview itself and hope your research is as good as it can be for how. how much time you've had to spend on it. I've got to ask, you've talked to a plethora of different guests, you know, you've talked to people about comics, TV, film, music, video games, you know, just a whole spectrum of them. And not to put you on the spot, of course, but what is your favorite type of topic to dive into? Because obviously for legal reasons, you love them all legally, but just between you and I, sorry, I say between you and I and the rest of the Mandalorians, just pretend they're not there. is your favorite topic to dive into or one of that's the thing though i don't well i mean i guess i have themes maybe not necessarily topics per se but i think because i've been doing this for so long and i've been putting together a documentary called little person amongst media giants for just as long i have four introspective questions i ask every guest on the show because there were four questions i was going to ask stanley and that never happened So I asked these same guests, these same four questions I was going to ask him. And I think the introspective nature of it, where you're diving into what makes you as a person at this particular snap in time in your life, I think is rather interesting because they don't know the questions ahead of time. So I'm asking them fresh. So they have no time to really prepare for these types of questions, unless for some reason they've listened to past interviews. Then they'll understand what the questions are and you know they'll be prepared. But it just comes down to, I like it. hearing them say, oh, that's a good question. Or I had never really thought about that. Can you give me a second? I love the introspective nature of the questions I've gathered and created myself for these interviews and for this potential documentary that it's going to take me forever to put together. But I think that when you look at yourself behind the face, the mask that you put up on social media and put up anywhere else, I think that there's so much that it tells you about that particular person's mindset at that particular point in time. So yeah, I just think if you can toss in one introspective question in your shows or your interviews, you'd be surprised at what train of thought that'll actually get people on. And then you may get another half hour plus of content. Who knows? I take it you must have had loads of interviews like that, where it's like you throw them the question thinking, yeah, this episode only we take, what, you know, 10, 15 minutes. And then you go on for absolute ages. Sometimes it's the Canadian goodbye that sets it apart, where it's like, well, that's it for this particular interview. Thanks for being here. on the show. You have to know when to kind of stop. If you feel the vibe or if you feel the emotions kind of going down or whatever, and you've hit your questions, sometimes it's good enough to say, yep, that's it. Let's take a break and away we go. But it's been a pleasure having you on the show type situation. So knowing when to stop, like the Kenny Rogers song, The Gambler, you know when to fold them, know when to hold them, you know, that thing. Knowing when to walk away is just as valid for a podcaster.
Speaker: I mean, it's true. I've got the opposite problem and you've probably heard it in a few of the episodes where it's like, I always say the phrase and I don't know why I keep saying that as a closing point. And then I go on for another 10, 15 minutes. As I'm editing that, I'm like, okay, I have to take out that as a closing point. The next as a closing point. It's just as bookmarked in between. I'm like, why do I keep saying this when I know I'm not going to end this episode? The filler words, the um, the ahs, the ands, the as well as that I've been saying probably. throughout this entire episode or it is what it is you could probably cut those out i'd be perfectly fine by me so whoever your editor is good luck yeah me myself and i unfortunately i mean i can share your struggles there between oh yeah who does your editing who does your marketing who does your recording me me it's me it's all me as you said wearing all the hats so
Speaker: the process because it is i genuinely and again i don't mean this in a condescending way of oh people don't know how hard it is for us but it's like i don't think people genuinely understand when they hear a podcast and they hear the finished product as you were saying before it must be hard for you as well having to sync it up to you know the video and things like that because again it's like that extra layer that you've got on top that you have to deal with and everything and you know i remember i interviewed it was a gaming youtuber called i don't having those fantastic conversation but his point of view was that he would spend absolutely ages you know recording gameplay and everything doing the script doing the voiceover work and everything having to splice it all together and then his comments would essentially be oh that was a great video when are you gonna do this game when are you gonna do this topic i think i would just be like you get no more podcasts from now on you've had enough stop being greedy
Speaker: Now, for me, it's just this is the guest. This is the time slot. You know, if we do an hour, great. If we do less, that's perfectly fine. As long as the conversation flows and the editing I do is really, really tight to the point of.
Speaker: Some guests have said, hey, could you give me some time to breathe? I appreciate that. it So it's like I'm cutting too tight to the point of their words are stringing together. So I think if you find your style early, that's even better. If you find that your fan base or your listeners like a certain format, then you know you gravitate towards that. The hardest part about being a podcaster or or a show host is feedback. I don't know about you, but for my side of things, unless they're like a Felicia Day or something, I barely care. any to zero comments whatsoever or even thumbs up for that matter so all i see on the podcasting side of things are the downloads and i can't thank germany enough for downloading as many podcasts as they have throughout the years too so they're like my top downloader for some reason so someone likes it they're just the one person in berlin just the one person yeah oh another episode he's been downloading the same episode 500 times what the heck's going on because i've got somebody i don't know who it is to be honest because i don't know anybody in shanghai at least i don't think i do but There's someone who every so often they'll just download it and it's like, we had the same person in Shanghai downloaded this and I'm like, who are you? Mystery man in Shanghai, who are you? Thank you, but who are you? Pretty soon we'll hear your voice on some Shanghai AI robot voice or whatever for like a subway line or something. Hell, see if they pay me, I will fly over there. I've been before. I love the city. I will go there and I'll be like, what's up guys? You're going through to Shanghai and all the poor Chinese people. be like ah what what did he say yeah people don't understand the scottish accent at the best of times is having to dilute your accent sometimes and be like yeah don't get me wrong they've all been really successful but i've seen a lot of scottish podcasts that when they get very passionate about a topic and i don't know if it's the same for canadian podcasts but genuinely it's like the accent comes out and it's really strong and i'm listening being like oh yes i understand yes i'm very astute and everything people Like, what the hell did he just say? Nothing. Well, the good news is my best friend for a long time, his father is Scottish from Edinburgh and his mother is French Canadian. So I grew up, they were like second mother and father to me, basically. And so I grew up understanding of the Scottish accent very well. So there were times when he would just go full Scottish and it'd be like, took a while for me to understand, but you pick it up fairly quickly. It's not that different from the Canadianisms we have, just more Scottish, that's all. But yeah, sometimes our Canadianisms will, I know mine will come. through a certain phrasing or words or ah yeah, no, yeah. Or I will say a on occasion. It's not that I won't say it, you know, but a like I'm sure in Scotland is with your free with I and all that stuff is situational. It's you can't just throw it at the end of every sentence. It just doesn't work. oh Well, it's true. I mean, I have to say I've got a terrible habit of see if I ever have a Scottish guest on and I just slip into, you know, the guy, I know what you mean, you know, and everything. And I'm like, that is terrible. so So stop doing that. It's like you're listening back going, hmm, yes, I was very Scottish that day. Actually, of all things, and I don't know why it reminds me of that, but have you seen Doctor Who? I'm assuming. You know the episode, this isn't a very obscure one, but the one that I remember with David Tennant where he goes to Scotland. a Trust me, it makes sense in context. He goes to Scotland to fight a werewolf for Queen Victoria, I think. But throughout the show, and I think it was probably like a BBC mandated thing or whatever, but he's not really got a Scottish accent. It's quite neutral when he... talking but in that episode because he's in Scotland he gets to let loose and everything and he's like are we in Scotland oh my god and you're like okay I'll take that well done on yourself that's it it's definitely great seeing your home city or town or it's like I know that street or you know I mean places where I live we saw it in a Hallmark Christmas movie oh cool but the thing was they said it was Chicago instead of you know in Canada
Speaker: Is Chicago not a really popular place for them to film? Or is it vice versa? You have a lot more leeway in Canada because of the tax credits than you would in the States, especially in Chicago where you have to close everything. In this case, you could just set up down by the river and you don't need any real permits, but you'd get a better tax break overall. Yeah, because as of recording this episode right now, parts of Glasgow are shut off because they're filming the second Batman film. Oh, really? Yeah, I don't know why this is so popular. It's been going on for years because they filmed World War Z there. They filmed the fifth, I want to say, Indiana Jones film. Again, when I say I was there, I wasn't in the film. I was behind the barricade being like, oh look, it's Indiana Jones. They also did the new Spider -Man film, Brand New Day. They also did the first Batman as well. And by first, I mean the first Robert Patterson one. But it's always weird because it's like, you think, when are we getting to Glasgow? A bit like in The Simpsons, when are we getting to the fireworks? When are we getting to Glasgow? And it ends up, you find that scene where you're like, no, that's just Glasgow. Oh, New York City. Oh, the Big Apple. It's like, no, no, no, that's Vincent Street. What are you on about? I mean, the one that genuinely broke it for me, for the Batman film, was at the very end, he's standing on like a very famous cemetery called the Necropolis. Really cool area, but it's like a huge cemetery on a hill. And he goes down. on his motorbike and everything. And see, up until that point, everything else is like, oh, that's Gotham, that's Gotham. And then he drives away and I'm like, no, that's Glasgow. That's literally Glasgow. And I don't know how to feel about that, that they looked at Glasgow and went, do you know where we could film that would be like a hello? Glasgow! Where Batman would fight super criminals. Thanks, Hollywood. I didn't realise Bane had such a thick Scottish accent all this time. That's why he had the mask on. He has a strong accent for you. It's like, oh my God. Always fun to see Glasgow represented. For sure, yeah. Actually, speaking of Hallmark films, have you, and I can't believe I'm asking this and I will completely understand if you never want to come back on the podcast again after this question. Have you ever heard of a Hallmark film called, I think it's like Christmas in Scotland or something? I haven't, but my mother watches all of those Christmas films. So if there's something she needs to watch, then I'll put her onto it if you recommend it. It depends how you're feeling with her at that time. It's like, do you want her to watch a terrible one? If you want to watch a film about, oh, what's her name? Is it Lacey Chabert? You know Gretchen Wieners out of Mean Girls? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she is, and this isn't my words, but she's been dubbed as the Hallmark Queen, I think, because she's in all of them. You can't turn one on when she's not in it. You're like, why are you here? Why are you doing all these films? For the money. Yeah, if she enjoys them and the money's good, you know. I can't put that against her fair play she was also in Sonic 06 I should point out but that's just the point
Speaker: ah Speaking of bad life choices. Oh, geez. Legal reasons, joke, joke, I swear. But I remember my very good friend, Andrew, ironically enough, the same one loving in Canada. And that's probably for the best because I can't reach him after he made me watch that film. It was like a very Scottish Christmas or something. And we did a whole episode on it. It really tested my sanity because the way that they do it, and I think it's just an American's version of what they think Scotland is like. So it's like they go to Edinburgh Airport and, you know, they film outside and everything. You're like, right, OK, that's fair enough. And they come out of the smallest airport exit. And it's like, you do realise Scotland isn't that small? That's one of our biggest airports, or like one of our most international airports. You would be weaving in and out the tourists. There is no way you'd be coming out this tiny, I don't know, doctor's waiting room, as it were. One of the lines that always sticks out is one of the characters says, oh, I couldn't get any sleep because the guy beside me. was listening to bagpipe music. Stereotypes? Yeah, it's like, was the Canadian guy beside you also listening to, I don't know, moose white noise or something? Listening to the mating calls of the Canadian goose. Exactly. What other stereotypes do you want to bring up? And then literally two seconds later, they're like, can I get a mac macchiato or something? I was like, you're really testing me, Phil. You're really testing me. I love doing those episodes because it provides funny reactions. That's all I'll say. but When I listened back to them, I was like, that was a tough watch. I'm not going to worry.
Speaker: Oh, yeah. But anyway, 10 out of 10 film, clearly. Chatsanami stamp of approval, which will have no meaning after I've just said that. Well, I'm going to let my mother know about the Christmas in Scotland or Scottish Christmas or just search Scotland on the Hallmark Channel and I'm sure something will pop up. Do you know what the wildest thing is? There's just so many of them where it's like a Scottish Christmas, Christmas in Scotland. Did you know it's a $2 billion dollar industry in Toronto? Hallmark? The Hallmark Channel specifically is a literally a $2 billion dollar industry of the film. TV and film scene. I can see why, but I can also not see why. It's like Schrodinger's Hallmark problem. It takes them 10 days straight to... put together a film and get it out there. So every single scene is two takes at most, three takes maybe, but it's literally a machine that they go to a location, they get their actors, the actors are all off book, they film it through these entire 10 days, they get it edited and they're on to the next project. It's like a revolving door of movies. You know the cover art for them where it's just like the same two people or it's like the same poses and everything, but they just swap out the faces and you're like, there's something quite uncanny about all of this. Someone's wearing a scarf at some point. They're looking up or down or at each other and they're always in the best light possible. i can' of remember what film it was and maybe it wasn't a hallmark film but i used to call them this is a fun bit of satsunami lore here but i always call them channel five films because over here in the yeah uk we've got again we've got more than five channels i just want to point out once upon a time we didn't but right channel five is that channel where they always put out the kind of weird
Speaker: It's hard to describe, but it's all the kind of stuff that you wouldn't see in BBC because it's not high budget enough. Maybe they wouldn't put it on ITV or STV or Channel 4. So then you get Channel 5, which is like the dumping ground for things like, oh, you ever wondered what's inside of a chocolate factory? It's like, not really, no. Oh, what about a biscuit factory? How many factories have you hidden in to do this? It's like, well, we've got Hallmark films and it's always Hallmark films they dump there. So I used to consider them as, oh, it's a Channel 5. film not realising that Hallmark was this behemoth and everything and it's when you see I don't know if you feel this way when you see an actor where you're like oh oh no like why are you in this film
Speaker: Has your career really taken a nosedive to the point of, oh, wait, you're getting paid how much? Yeah. How can I apply? It is amazing the machine that they've put together for this. And we have a similar channel. It's called PBS. Oh, yeah. Channel 56 here, where we get those types of educational content shows, like what you mentioned about how is X made or whatever? How is a glass made or how is a tiger made? And then it goes into 60 or 62, I think was like the Hallmark style channel for local TV before they went on to cable. Yeah, it's amazing what you can find online, especially with all these streaming services now. You've just opened Pandora's box at that point. If you can't find what you're looking for, then you're either passed on or you're really bored. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I mean, what really blindsided me was, you know, on Amazon, and I'm not a big fan of this business model, but you know how you subscribe to Amazon Prime, but then they've got the channels that you can subscribe to. And it's like, oh, do you want to go to Paramount Plus or HBO Max or whatever? And don't get me wrong, it's a good way at least to access them, but it's the inner Scott and me. I'm really bitter about paying more than I have to. No, I don't really want to pay $8 .99 extra a month for this or that. Oh, the one that... blindsided me though and this will be forever a blemish on my bank records is when i was trying to find that a very scottish christmas because a friend was consistent he's like you gotta watch it you gotta watch it right okay let me try and look on youtube nope couldn't find it there oh let me try netflix and all of the other places nope couldn't find it and then i saw that they had hallmark plus or hallmark tv plus as a subscription service and i was like how am i gonna explain that to my bank i hate to tell you satsu your bank account's been hacked i was like no i was doing it for the podcast No, no, the hacked one would have been valid. Then it would have been like, you just have to change credit cards and you would have had your thing refunded. So, you know. Do you know what the worst part of that was? They didn't even have the damn film. Oh, Jesus. So apparently they had it in, I think, the American version. But yeah, turns out the Amazon VPN blocker. was a lot stronger than my will to watch this film because it was like, oh, it looks like you're logging in from a different country. Yeah. Do you want to change back? No, not really. I just want to watch this damn film. Yeah, anyway, I will be cancelling that card tomorrow. Good call.
Speaker: But speaking of not getting cancelled, and I swear, final point, but I swear, this is definitely the final point. This isn't me saying as a closing point, but honestly, it has been absolutely fantastic talking to you, Kurt. And I'm going to ask, before we wrap up and, you know, you tell the amazing Mandalorians where to find your content, because trust me, I will be echoing everything you say. What does the future look like? See for your podcast, and I don't mean for you to grab your crystal ball or anything, but what have you got in the pipe? line because you were saying there that you've got the documentary and things you're working on which honestly that sounds absolutely fantastic but yeah what are you working on if it's okay to say sorry oh yeah it's fine for me every episode is kind of week to week these days. I'm booked until about November at the moment, at least for most of the free content. I do have paid interviews as well, which I provide a service for creating reels, etc. But I work in the TV and film industry. In fact, I'm actually preparing to work as a DIT, which is a digital imaging technician. I copy the footage and duplicate the footage and make sure that the people don't have to keep reshooting. So I save people money basically on film sets and TV sets. I'll be filming that next week sometime. week after. So I have projects like that, other content that I'm working on. I just have a lot of TV and film stuff kind of creeping up right now. So I'm preparing for that more so than the podcast or the interviews, but I have them scheduled. I have the graphics, I have everything created and prepped and ready to go. And their questions I was going to work on later today. So it's kind of same old, same old these days for me. So I just try to keep busy and keep promoting the show and going on amazing shows like this one here and making sure that I get the word out to
Speaker: to showcase that yes yes i am still doing this after 18 years i am making a wonderful show and platform for those that want to be on the show they're in the entertainment industry and i'm going to keep going until you know either i pass on or you know we get to the year 20 or 25 we'll see Honestly, I cannot recommend your show. Again, I'm not just saying that because the PayPal. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. How many Canadian dollars was that in pounds? I'll find out later. But anyway, the point is, no, honestly, you do it absolutely fantastic interviews. And yeah, thank you as well in all seriousness for your compliments as well, because I do love seeing creators like yourself who have been doing this for so long. And you can definitely tell that you have a passion for what you do. You know, it's not just like you're going through, as we joked before, you know, the same questions like, what do you think of this? Oh, yeah. You have a passion for the topics. you have a passion for making your guests feel comfortable you've done fantastic as well with your youtube channel and things like that it has been a pleasure to see your channel and everything and your own listen to your episodes but also be see you pop up as well on social media because that is the sad thing as well and don't worry i won't end on a sad note but you see a lot of content creators who they go up and for the first year second year they're like i'm going to be the best podcaster or content creator in the world and then they eventually get burned out or they decide, nah, I'm not going to do that anymore. And, you know, you start to see them on social media less and less. So it's fantastic to see how you committed you are to the podcast as well. Honestly, I'm sure I'll probably see you in threads to be honest. Like yourself, I've been spending a lot more time there where and initially I was like, I don't know about threads, but the way the other social medias are going, I'm like, you know what? Maybe it's not such a bad thing. Where's that person posting about audio versus video? properties yeah Just refresh your feed. i'm sure we'll find it somewhere and i wouldn't be surprised I want to thank you so much for having me on as guest of the show as well, too. I really greatly appreciate it. Like I said, in the green room and during this interview, you have a great style. I want you to keep going. I want to come back for your 10th anniversary. So, you know, please invite me back for that. And I want to see you keep going and keep pushing to get more and better guests in the future because you do have a great style and people that aren't listening to your show really need to listen to your show. And whenever you want to switch to video, let's connect and we'll get you to the wide world of the visual world of. podcasting oh no absolutely i'll definitely give you a buzz when that happens and much like the simpsons unless i turn into a robot or something they'll get a cell phone but that's such a niche simpsons reference i'm sorry no honestly i don't mean this in a way of i'll go on for as long as i can but honestly this is why i love podcasting because i love connecting with other content creators like yourself and you know being able to have a chat and everything being able to talk about yeah just why content creation is so great to do even if we talk about the highs and the lows it's still amazing to hear your perspective and everything and honestly if you ever want to come back then you are absolutely more than welcome to not putting you under any pressure by the way you'll be like yeah yeah sure and then after it's like don't you ever ask me that no no no i love coming on the show because like you know we're in our own bubble when it comes to the creation of our show itself so getting outside of our comfort zone and speaking about ourselves and our shows and our struggles and our triumphs and passions on other shows just gives us a more well -rounded perspective of, yeah, we actually are doing good things. We just never realized it until we actually speak on it. And I mean, that goes to everyone listening who, if you're thinking, yeah, should I start a podcast? And obviously this episode, as great as it is, you know, don't listen to us and go, oh, I should start a podcast without, you know, thinking about what you want to talk about. But definitely if you've got a voice out there and you want to talk about anything, yeah, I would personally say if anyone's listening and being like, yeah, I want to start a podcast. Go for it. Would you agree with that? Sorry. No, 100%. But I think before you start a podcast, you should plan it out. Make sure that you decide to do what you want to do, whether you're interviewing or whether you're speaking on a topic that you're passionate about. Stick with it because you're the only one that knows the information that you want to speak on. And just keep at it because as soon as you start off, stop enjoying it is when you should stop your podcast. Always find a way to make your passion shine through, whether it's speaking to people. or whether it's speaking of what you enjoy. So keep at it. That's all I want to say. And that is some fantastic closing words for this episode. Thank you for that. Couldn't have said it better myself. But no seriousness, before we wrap up, where can the amazing Pandalorians at home find your content? Well, the best way to find Two Geeks Talking is on our YouTube channel, youtube .com forward slash TGT Media. The podcast you can find by searching Two Geeks Talking. That's T -W -O Geeks Talking. podbean .com or just search Two Geeks Talking wherever you get your podcasts and as I say every week everyone has a storage channel it's up to me to help bring that out but this time around you're on Chetsunami with me as a guest so enjoy this show go back to the archive review absolutely everything and then count how many times he says welcome to the show or whatever that other word was and yeah if you want to listen to more episodes from our ourselves obviously after you listen to this episode then you listen to the back for your podcast of course then you can check us out at our website chatsanami .com as well as all good podcast apps i also want to thank our amazing pandalorian patients for the support robotic battle toaster ghostly and cryptic 1991 thank you so so much for supporting the show but if you would like early access to our episodes exclusive content as well as curtain eyes asmr podcast for legal reasons that last one's a joke then you can check us out at our patreon page patreon .com forward slash
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