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Kickoff: Sounders kick off Leagues Cup and Lionel Messi SUSPENDED
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Coming off a 2-2 draw at Atlanta, it's time for Leagues Cup as the Sounders commence group stage play Thursday at Lumen Field against familiar foe Cruz Azul. We'll look back at the Atlanta game, and discuss how much weight we think the Sounders should put on making a run in the upcoming tournament pitting MLS against Liga MX.
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Introduction and Episode Overview
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Well sir, we got a scorcher today. Gonna be a real scorcher today. Why the scorcher today? Well it's gonna be scorcher.
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Good morning, everybody.
Major Topics: Seattle vs. Atlanta, Leagues Cup, Messi Suspension
00:00:45
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Welcome in to another episode of Lobbing Scorchers Kickoff. I'm Ari. That's Nico. We got a big show for you here this morning. We're going to be talking some Seattle Sounders.
00:00:56
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We're going to get Nico's takes on this Atlanta United game. We're going to be doing some Leagues Cup talk, previewing this Cruz Azul match, maybe busting out the lineup builder. Uh, and, uh, we're going to hit some national storylines as well, including, uh, suspension for one Lionel Messi and, uh, the official acquisition of Rodrigo DePaul for them. So a lot to get to.
00:01:18
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I'm wearing my Ballard FC shirt. Noah and I went to the game last night. They're going to the natty. So that was fun. I'm feeling good. Nico, how are you doing this morning? Hey, what's going on, Ari? And that Lobby's gorgeous audience excited to be on. Yes, it was a so good weekend. ah I had a lot of soccer, not all MLS, a lot of... um U11, U12 soccer there with my daughter. I was at the Bigfoot tournament up in Snohomish.
00:01:47
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So um if I look tan or burnt, that's the reason why. But yeah, man, it's was an exciting weekend. some Some good games for sure in MLS. A lot of news as well. So lots to talk about, man.
00:02:01
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00:02:15
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The Messi Suspension: Fair or Not?
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You know, we do.
00:02:31
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We're going we're going to get to this Sounders game. We haven't caught up since the since this Atlanta game. But I did want to hit a national storyline to to start us off here at the top of the show, because I feel like it's a.
00:02:47
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this this is This is the big story everyone's talking about league-wide right now, which is that ah they actually did it. Major League Soccer has suspended Lionel Messi for one game for skipping the All-Star game, which on our last podcast we were theorizing if they were actually going to do. And I said I didn't think they were going to do it. And the reason I said that was because of the way Don Garber was talking about it at his press conference.
00:03:13
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It felt like he was already kind of setting the stage to be like, we're not going to suspend him because it's messy, essentially. But then they actually they actually did it.
00:03:24
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He's going to miss this upcoming game against FC Cincinnati, Jordi Alba as well. So I guess, Nico, what are your thoughts on the Messi's suspension?
00:03:37
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Is it justified? Were you surprised that they ah did it? What do you think of this whole just situation? It's absolutely justified. If there's a rule, then you should follow it.
00:03:50
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I was surprised that they did it. I was almost certain that the league was going to bend a knee to one Lionel Messi. And I'm glad that they didn't. ah The reality is is that when Lionel Messi decided to come to MLS, a league that, you know, as much as it's developed and it has grown, you know, it has certain intricacies that you kind of have to try to understand and and play through.
00:04:19
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And look, to be honest, I wasn't losing in my mind over Lionel Messi not wanting to play and probably doesn't understand what's going on. But I was disappointed.
00:04:30
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I was disappointed because, look, I grew up with some of the greatest that just love to play soccer. Ronaldinho, Diego Maradona, you know, there's a ton of...
00:04:42
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Similar situations where both of those guys were playing Eastern of charity matches or, ah you know, exhibition matches just because they love to play the game. And I always put Lionel Messi in that stratosphere.
00:04:54
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And it was disappointing to see him not do it. I heard people talk about get your money and that's, your you know, know your worth. a whole bunch of things that I don't think Lionel Messi needs any more money.
00:05:06
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I'm pretty sure that he's going to be all right. He's done pretty well for himself. So when is This is your league. MLS is his league. He knows that. He is the face of the franchise. He... but it would be part owner of of the whole thing.
00:05:20
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i would have thought that in some sense he would have some pride to go out there and play. And then if not, if your body really can't do it, which is totally understandable, then be at the All-Star game and cheer on the guys and and be part of ah kind of what you signed up for. So it is not about, you know, this narrative of him being this ah monkey in a unicycle, you know, because that's what,
00:05:46
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MLS once it's not that it's the fact that it is your league and you are the face of it so go out there and represent because ah ah no one is saying that your legacy is going to be it's going to take a hit or going scrutinize but the reality is is that in MLS in terms of success, you really haven't done anything. Sure, you won a Leagues Cup, but I mean, have you really won a title or all these things? Not necessarily.
00:06:10
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There's still plenty of time for that to happen. But some of these little steps and moments are things that would help you, you you your brand, MLS, and kind of everything that you wanted to to do when you got to this league.
00:06:26
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So I was disappointed mainly on Lin-Manuel's decision of not being part of the All-Star Weekend. Derek Richard's YouTube member for seven months.
00:06:36
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Appreciate the support, man. ah Yeah, i think the ah I think the issue here is that he no-call, no-showed. He no-call, no-showed the All-Star game, which, you know, we've all wanted to no-call, no-show our jobs at certain junctures.
00:06:53
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ah But I feel like if he had just said from the beginning, like, look, guys like i i we've had 47 games already this year i've played most of them i'm 38 years old i'm leonel messi i can't do this then that would have been ah unfortunate but no one i don't think anyone's gonna say anything if you're saying you physically can't or don't want to do something but yeah even if that was the case then, you know, you could still show up, like you said, and be a part of the occasion.
00:07:26
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And you yeah I don't think you can just no call, no show that. Like, I would i was watching the Major League Baseball ah All-Star game a few days ago, and I was thinking, like, what if Shohei Otani was just like, no, I'm good, and then no call, no showed?
00:07:39
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Like, he would probably get suspended for that, even though he's Shohei, right? So, I mean, I think... He said it early, and they got a replacement, right? I mean, that's the whole thing. You're right. Yeah, so, but it is, think the interesting thing to keep an eye on with this is just, you know, a big purpose of the league right now is to specifically keep him happy and in the league and Jorge Moss, their owner.
00:08:05
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Gave a press conference where he said Lionel Messi is very upset about this ah because, he's you know, he's missing a big game. This is going to be one of the biggest games of the season. FC Cincy and Inter-Miami are two powerhouses in the East.
00:08:16
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So Jorge Mas was saying he's upset about it. That quote got a lot of play. ah I don't know how much of that is Lionel. I seriously doubt he's ah flipping tables at his mansion in Fort Lauderdale or whatever over this. I think that could just be Jorge Mas, you know.
00:08:34
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putting it out there that his players ah are like, you know, Messi's a competitor. He doesn't want to miss this game, that type of thing. But ah I think if he gets disgruntled in any way and it affects his willingness or whatever to,
00:08:50
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play in the league anymore. That's where it could become like a seismic type of issue. ah I doubt that'll happen. I think he'll probably just serve the suspension. We'll all move on with our lives. But it was it was surprising to see that they actually did it. And he he and Jordi Alba are going to miss this game.
00:09:09
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so It was probably surprising to him that a league would do that to him, especially a league that you know he's kind of been able to do and and walk and and handle any way he pleases. So he was probably more upset about the fact that he was going to have to serve that suspension. But I don't understand part of the statement by Jorge Mas was they' they didn't understand why they would get to spend over an exhibition game.
00:09:35
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is like, do you really have to understand it? there's a There's a rule that like you knew, I'm sure that somebody told him, hey man, if you don't show gonna get suspended. I mean, that's, it's right here. It's like, you know, a cop stopping me because i had to put my seatbelt on and be like, man, I don't understand why you're giving me a ticket.
00:09:50
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because I don't have a seatbelt. Oh, you kind of should, because you're supposed to be wearing a damn seatbelt. So it's kind of the same situation. I just don't don't get where, you know, they feel blindsided by this thing. Like, you know, no one knew about it. And and and that's the part where it's it's a bit of that that that ego, you know, it's being Jordi Alba, like, you know,
00:10:13
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what What are you talking about? do we we We have to be there. And now you're going to suspend us. That makes no sense. ah so So that's kind of the part of it that I have an issue with. Again, I totally understand that two soccer players that play a bunch of games and they they have come from a bunch of games would feel like their body isn't quite right Because, you know, we we we knew that Buongas played a whole bunch of games, but he's clearly younger, very durable. You know, Mukhtar, same thing, bunch of games.
00:10:40
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But at the end of the day, it's just about nobody was going to ask Lionel Messi to play 90 minutes and to put the team on his back or Jordi Alba to do the same. I mean, you're going to go to kick the ball around for a little bit.
00:10:52
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Same thing you do in your backyard with your dog and your kid or whatever it is that Messi does in his free time. The same thing here, right? And you it's more just about the principle, right? But again, part of me also kind of felt like as I started
Inter Miami’s Roster Moves: Fair Play or Loopholes?
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my comment with the compagnon. competitiveness of Benal Messi. I thought it was going to be there, and it wasn't.
00:11:11
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Garber's quotes on this have been pretty funny, both his press conference and then the statement after the fact where he's he's kind of trying to have it both ways, like propping up Messi at the same time as being like, we have to suspend him.
00:11:28
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But he was saying all this stuff of like, ah you know, it's like we have to do this because this is technically... the rule, but even said like, we're going to look at that rule.
00:11:39
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We think that it actually, it might actually, it might actually be unfair and we might change it because of this situation. i don't know. It's like, dude, you, you could just say that he broke the rules and that you're going to suspend him for it. Like you, I feel like it looked a little silly to try and like do that at the same time as you're enforcing the rule or whatever but I don't know I guess he kind of feels like he has to do that ah before we get into the sounder stuff I we do I did want to hit one more inter Miami story that we haven't talked about yet which is that the Rodrigo DePaul move went official he's going to be inter Miami player
00:12:19
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ah So they have another he's not technically a Barca boy. He's an Atletico Madrid boy, ah but he's he he's in ti boy he's a yeah, Argentina boy. He's in the Barca boy conglomerate now.
00:12:32
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I had tell me what you think of this idea real quick. ah I was thinking of like a reality show called Messi and the Barca boys. And it's like they all live in the in the same house like like Big Brother or MTV is the challenge.
00:12:45
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And then it's ah like chronicling their lives in and you get all the like drama in house drama and stuff. And I think that could, I think that could hit like a behind the scenes messy in the Barca boys. Cause they, I mean, at this point they've got a whole group of them with Rodrigo to Paul added, but, uh,
00:13:04
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I'll tune in. i mean, I would settle for a hard knocks situation in Miami, right? How cool would that be? you Just having the the background stuff on on what the Barsa boys are doing. and Yeah. You you you follow Luis Suarez to his house and talk to his family and bring it back. I mean, I'm down with some hard knock stuff. that That's on the Jorge Mas dream too, Mr. Jerry Jones of MLS. Yeah, he he probably loved that.
00:13:29
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Yeah, no, but ah I guess what I wanted your take on was, you know, when I were talking about this, he's convinced that ah that this is like corrupt and they're cheating. I'll give my take real quick and then you can give yours, which is that Inter-Miami, they are cheating.
00:13:46
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They are cheating. And the extent that the how they're cheating is that like having Lionel Messi on your team is cheating. Like it, it gives you ah leverage to do stuff that other teams simply cannot do. And this is another example of that, getting a player like Rodrigo to ball on their roster when they already have a squad of Barca boys.
00:14:12
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So that is, it gives them like an advantage as far as like what roster rules they're technically breaking. I mean, I, I, I hate to be that guy, but I'll continue to be that guy. Like I, they're, When I look at this situation with their roster, it is a loophole to be able to ah get him on loan as like a non DP or whatever.
00:14:31
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And then he's going to become a DP. But that's when Sergio Busquets is scheduled to come off the books. So they have Messi, Jordi Alba and Busquets as DPs right now.
00:14:44
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They're bringing DePaul as a non-DP, and once Busquets comes off the books, he's going to escalate to a DP. That's three DPs, so they're in the like parameters there.
00:14:55
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And there's also, there are examples, there's a lot of examples of teams doing stuff like this, but just no one gives a shit because it's not a player of this this type of status uh my buddy armand kafai who has a substat called footy analytic musings noted a uh sub to that by the way he noted a couple of these um which is that uh the new england revolution pulled a similar situation again like this is no one talked or cared about this but they at one point were able to keep carly skill gustavo bow and veroni uh all together ah with
00:15:30
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ah Tomas Chancolay right there their new DP forward
Miami vs. Other Teams: Strategies and Comparisons
00:15:34
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ah they had those four guys on the books at the same time with Gustavo Bo eventually leaving and then Chancolay like escalating so that's like an analogous situation Peppiel is in a similar situation at Charlotte FC right now where he's not a DP but once someone else comes off the books or whatever he's got escalators And even Seattle, the Seattle Sounders famously, I mean, they've had rules bent in the past with like Quint Dempsey. So that's kind of another thing is it's like, ah you know, sometimes sometimes they do stuff like this and Seattle has benefited from the past.
00:16:08
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But also the concept of a player not being a DP and then escalating to a DP. I mean, we saw that right with the. with Jordan Morris. So, like, I just, I don't see what actual... When they had Blaze Matuidi and six other DPs, that was a violation of the roster rules. They were not in parameter there parameters there, and they wouldn't spoon.
00:16:32
Speaker
But, like, Vico, am I missing something? Like, are they... Is there a rule that they're... actually technically bra there's a difference between a loophole which is what this is and actually being in technical violation of what they're allowed to do like do you see that differently like is there an actual rule that's being broken here No, not at all.
00:16:53
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And if there is any club that knows and understands, one, the rules, and two, the repercussions of not following exactly as they're supposed to is Inter-Miami. They've been hit with that before ah where trying to find loopholes has resulted in some sanctions and some issues. I think they understand that. They know it.
00:17:13
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ah To your point, there has been a ton of acquisitions throughout the last five to 10 years that sometimes there's things under the books. There's things that we can all maybe speculate that there is some something odd or or that they there may be some pushing the ah rules, but if it's within the system and you're able to ah manage and and ah either reallocate certain ways about the structure of of the salary cap and as you mentioned, the loan, and then you know by the time that it's no longer loan, that there's an open spot, then it's all good. I wouldn't call it cheating. I just think that
00:17:59
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It is a bit of a edge that some clubs have ah to their own credit, right? I mean, Miami was able to get Lionel Messi.
00:18:11
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So sad, you got to kind of understand that everybody's going to want to play with Messi. You're going to get the best prospects out of South America. You're going to get great talent like Rodrigo DePaul and Alba and Luis Suarez trying to come in and fit in some sort of way ah to the salary cap space.
00:18:28
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What I would say is that in order to stop these teams from... making this elaborate lies or or elaborate ways to find measures to add additional talent, you know, maybe MLS should just add another DP spot and that would kind of,
00:18:48
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And certain things I am a salary cap guy don't need to add the reasons why you follow me you know um But at the same time You know an additional DP You know might stop this sort of situation From rubbing people the wrong way um And so Not cheating The regular departing is fine I still don't think that this move is going to put Miami Above the east I don't think that this move makes them the best team In the east I don't think that it I don't think that it effectively fills the huge holes that this team has to be a balanced squad.
00:19:26
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Defensively, there's still a sham. Rodrigo DePaul's a very good player, but he's more of an eight, even if ah he he is a ah very physical, strong defensive player, very smart.
00:19:38
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There is, you know, questions about conditioning and questions about a whole bunch of stuff that um he's got quality. Absolutely. He's a great talent and, you know, He's worked with Messi. He understands what Messi likes to do, wants to do.
00:19:52
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ah But when I look at that squad and I look at the the lack of defensive presence, both on the midfield and and the lack of talent defensively on that back line, i just think that they're going to have a lot more holes to fill either way. So it's a good move. It's one that, as always, puts MLS in this global scale.
00:20:14
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because it's not every day that you get to bring in a 30-year-old Jiggo DePaul, not like a retired player, but a guy that still has plenty in the tank. But I just don't think it's like a move that's going to put Miami as the favorite in the the East, in my opinion.
00:20:31
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Derek coming in with the $2 Super Chat. Thank you, Derek. You the man. Appreciate you, as always. Yeah, I mean, I get why it's tilting. I get why it's tilting. It feels like they're playing a different game than anyone else right now. Like, no other team would be able to do stuff like this.
00:20:49
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So it it does feel... But, like, i i don't i i have a hard time blaming them for doing it if it was if i was in their position i would leverage what they have with messi and the barca boys is the exact same way they would be silly not to the team yeah but and why is it tilted though like i mean seattle has been successful without having to bring ibrahim ibrahamevich or terry henry or andrea pierlo or lampard or drogba ah you know, if if certain teams want to go out there and get those players, then that's totally fine. I mean, you know, Columbus did it the right way with bringing in a guy like Cucho Hernandez, and and that's all good and well. That was done within the structures. Nobody, you know, batted an eye to that, and that put Columbus at just a monster of a team, and we all see what Columbus is without a guy like Cucho. So,
00:21:40
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you know There are better things to go go and get out there. If Miami wants to go spend a ridiculous amount of money on a 30-year-old midfielder, then let them go do it. There is ah plenty. And like I said, ah just the way that the East is placed right now, I still think that Cincinnati is better.
00:21:57
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i still think that there is potential for Philadelphia to, within their own system, just take over the East. They've been so good with Cornell at the head of that that project. so To me, football will remain and and let them do what they do.
00:22:15
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Wade says it's tilting because they're able to leverage their ownership, Beckham, to sign players that won't look at any other teams. I think that's sort of what it is. is it's like it feels like there're It feels like they're doing stuff that other teams don't have the ability to do, but it's like, yeah, that's that's what happens when you get a player like Lionel Messi. Whatever team that I'm a fan of, I would expect them to do... I would be i would be tilted if I was a fan of Inter-Miami and they weren't trying to...
00:22:43
Speaker
maximize all the leverage they could to build a to build a super team the most successful teams in this league are the ones that are able to you know game the cap fine in like either find value like production greater than what you're paying for it which is uh something like clubs like affiliate union or even seattle have been able to do to to great effect this is a situation where they got the best player ever and uh they're reaping the rewards of that not just for the barca boys or roberto paul but like you mentioned like all the south american prospects that they've been able to get ah i'll be interested to see how much it moves the needle for them on the field because i tend to agree like their defensive issues
00:23:28
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step or like go beyond just one defensive midfielder i mean rodrigo de paul specifically though i mean this guy was dubbed by the press after the world cup as messi's bodyguard like essentially on the on the field so he does have like a type of skill set and presence that they need in midfield for sure is he is he alone enough to fix those issues We're going to see they better they better hope so because Right now they're having a good year They're up at like 1.8 1.9 points per game but you know that's They're they're like the fifth best team in the east this year Like even with messy yeah and all of it is very messy dependent So it really is all about messy I mean he had what like seven out of eight games with brace and you know he kind of put this team on his back and
00:24:17
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you know offensively is kind of messy and everybody else because Luis Suarez continues to decline.
Seattle vs. Atlanta Game Recap
00:24:24
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Segovia has been good, but it's not necessarily a guy that's fighting for the golden boot.
00:24:30
Speaker
So a lot of it is going be very messy dependent either way. So again, I think that there's a lot of holes for this team that still needs to be filled. But made Rodrigo, definitely an upgrade, absolutely makes the team better.
00:24:43
Speaker
i just don't know if that balances the whole squad. Yeah, it'll be interesting to find out. All right, Nico, let's get into the Seattle Sounders.
00:24:54
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ah Coming off this match at Atlanta United, 2-2 draw. Frustrating result because they score a goal in the 96th minute that looked like the game winner.
00:25:04
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And a lot of novelty. to that go-ahead goal, a Nuhu to Osaze goal, which didn't have that on the pregame bingo card. I would not have not have called Nuhu putting one right on Osaze's head for a 96-minute go-ahead goal.
00:25:23
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And then Alexi Marinchuk hits an absolutely insane equalizer on the last kick of the game, so Seattle drops those two points. ah Nico, what a i did ah I did a whole post-game live about it. What were your thoughts watching watching how that game went, starting with the first half that was not good, and then a second half that was a lot better, where they performed well enough to put themselves within five seconds, literally, of getting what would have been a really good road win.
00:25:56
Speaker
And then Miranczuk hits that goal, which for me, like... i said this at the time and now a couple days later, I kind of, I feel the same way. Like if he's going to hit that, he's going to hit that.
00:26:08
Speaker
Like that's, Props. I don't know what to say. That was like, you, you can't hit it any better than that. You definitely can't save it. So, uh, it was unfortunate. And I think there are things that Seattle definitely could have done better, possession especially in the first half to, uh, so it wouldn't have come down to a play like that, uh, because they just drew one of the worst teams in the league.
00:26:35
Speaker
But, uh, Also, you know, they win they win that game 99 times out of 100. Marin Chuck just hits an insane shot. And by the way, ah like, that guy is considered ah by their fan base to be a huge bust. And league-wide, he's considered, like, one of the bigger busts of a DP in the last couple years. They spent 10-plus million dollars on him.
00:26:57
Speaker
Haven't gotten much out of him individually and haven't had any team success with him as a centerpiece, certainly. And also, I thought he was, like, especially bad, and especially in the second half of this game. he would He had a notably bad game and then comes out with that.
00:27:14
Speaker
So, I mean, when you have a 10 plus million dollar player, sometimes they're going to do stuff like that. But I guess overall, Nico, how did you ah how do you size this one up with Seattle dropping those two points right there at the end?
00:27:26
Speaker
All right, before we break it down, and my overall conclusions is that Seattle can't keep dropping points. And I understand what you mean about Colorado game
00:27:38
Speaker
meug had a fantastic shot but but to me this is just a pattern that they've had in the past you know you go back to the charlotte game there's a bunch of games this season where colorado game inability to just manage the game manage those last seconds i mean osasa's goal is what like the 96 minute or something it has to be it has to be the game winner it has to be i mean you have to be able to put that game on a freezer on a cooler and keep the ball and do things around it to not give the ball up uh
00:28:12
Speaker
Nuhu has the and I'm not believing him I'm just saying that when Nuhu had the ball and he's about to do a throw in my guess is that he's going to drop it back to Thomas or to Yamar and he he goes far with it in as if he was trying to get it to the other side and it's just you're just conceding possession to the team that's trying to get the goal.
00:28:36
Speaker
And then the Sounders have no other way to finish that game than to just drop deep and allow all this real estate for Atlanta to get on them. so So to me, and I understand that Brad Schmetzer is going to be, um he's going to want to be positive about the way that second half went about and the fact that Osasa got a goal and Pedro had a ah good second half.
00:29:06
Speaker
But at the same time, man, you got to be able to be kind of upset about the way that game ended. And, you know, him saying that, you know, there was nothing that that they could do, that just...
00:29:21
Speaker
I don't like it. I just think that from holding possession to the weight that nobody closed in on Marichuk, there's so much space for him to just hit that ball. Osas is right there. He should have been able to ah go at him and and and make him either play negative or or not be able to take the shot or at least, you know, whisper in his ear and, you know, whatever.
00:29:44
Speaker
You know, something that scares this guy off. He should not be able to take that shot with that much time and put it where he put it. So championship teams don't lose these sort of games. Championship teams need to play 90 minutes.
00:29:57
Speaker
And that's the standard that I have for this Sounders team. ah Just a lot that went wrong in those last couple of minutes. So to me, huge drop points. When I look at where this team is in the standings right now, and you look back, like you said, a Colorado game, there's a Portland game, there's the Charlotte game. There's a bunch of games this season where if Seattle had been on point, they they should be number one in the West.
00:30:24
Speaker
um So, you know, take it for what it is. but But I wasn't pleased with the way that game ended at all. ah Despite them fighting through the adversity of a first half where a movement was very stagnant, uh, the midfield had some issues. I thought that there were, uh,
00:30:44
Speaker
Both Obed Vargas and Albert Rusnak were able to find the half spaces, but when they would get the ball in those half spaces, it was bad touch or um maybe a bad moment. Even when they got the ball out wide, Alex Rodin blocked shot.
00:31:01
Speaker
On the other side, Pedro as well, maybe not as involved. Jesus Ferrer did not have a good first half. He might have had a good game, but ah to be quite frank. um So all those things clearly were also caused by a Atlanta team that had a lot of numbers behind the ball, that they were motivated by the fact that they have continuously dropped points, that they wanted to get this right.
00:31:30
Speaker
ah They've had huge issues by not getting that early goal, and they got it against the Sounders, but a goal that I thought Reed Baker, White, and I don't know what he's doing when when the ball bounces and he allows, don't know if it's Almiron, to beat him to that ball. But Reid's got to get there. we Reid's got to not allow that that first initial bounce to get behind him like that.
00:31:57
Speaker
And, you know, obviously, Margomes Andrade is a little bit late to close that pass from Latelat. Is it... fortunate or luck the way that bounce went for Atlanta, sure, but I'm thinking, why did the ball get there? Why did the ball get to Lattellatt in that specific position?
00:32:17
Speaker
and And the number one cause is Reed Baker. Why did not being able to get that bounce right on that far pass to his side? So, A lot of things in that first half that went wrong, and that's why credit the Seattle Sounders for coming in the second half with a lot more intensity, moving the ball better.
00:32:36
Speaker
um Pedro's goal, you know, it's ah is very him, right? I mean, he he's kind of cheating the system, and i think Brian talked about it. He's kind of not not not as far back as you he should, but it was one of those moments where there's a clearance by Pedro,
00:32:53
Speaker
yay mar and I'm going to give Yamar a little more credit. I think that he was looking to put that ball to Albert, and but Albert and and the defender kind of both clash at each other and the ball bounces past both and Pedro has the speed, the athleticism and the composure to put that ball away. That that composure was phenomenal and That finish to me was outstanding. The finish to me tells me that Pedro's confident. He has two guys on his right side that he could pass the ball to, but he wants to be that killer.
00:33:23
Speaker
He wants to be that game breaker. And he puts that shot perfectly through Brad Ruzon. So to me, Pedro de la Vega... Deserved that goal and I love his mentality right now that killer instinct that he is currently on is what this team needs ah So, you know big game for him big moment in that second half ah But again, I think that the Seattle Sounders for all that they did well should have ended this game with three points traveling back home Yeah, I think the concern and the frustration coming out of this game like you mentioned is like the
00:33:55
Speaker
The pattern of it, like similar stuff that's happened multiple times this season, even before this
Seattle Sounders: Missed Opportunities and Struggles
00:34:01
Speaker
game. The Charlotte game to to start the year is a game that they were seconds away from winning. The Colorado game, they were up 3-0 at home.
00:34:09
Speaker
at home and ended up drawing that game. And then this game, you drop two more points on the last kick of the game. We were talking about with J.O. That's six points right there where if you just give them that, they just close out all three of those games, one of which they were ahead by three goals at home.
00:34:26
Speaker
They are up at the ah top of the West. So there's one way you could look at that of like ah based on the overall quality of how they've played. this year, as far as putting themselves in position to get all three points, they ah they could be a ah top of the West team, ah but they're not. they're and They're in fourth because of these issues with closing out games, and i think...
00:34:52
Speaker
that's ah i mean That's the thing that they got to correct if they want to win any trophies. Because like you said, come playoff time, crunch time, when you're playing the other elite teams in this league, you're going to be in situations where you have to...
00:35:08
Speaker
Hold a one goal lead in all likelihood at different junctures. And it's it's just it's just mentality. like It's not like ability or talent. It's mental fortitude.
00:35:20
Speaker
which ah like i I did want to talk about Atlanta United ah real quick because i did think it was funny how... the This game played out how I predicted on our show, if you remember.
00:35:33
Speaker
ah i said that Atlanta United might score first in this game, but don't worry about it. it's It's like the Chicago Fire. They're going to find a way to ah ah give up the leveler.
00:35:45
Speaker
which, even Nico, even with as poorly as that first half went, at halftime, i was li there was no part of me that had any expectation that that game was going to win one zero or that Atlanta was going to end that game 1-0 ahead. But what i this is what I wanted to talk about, which we ah we also talked about this on the preview show in terms of like how their season has been going.
00:36:08
Speaker
But like the way they play when they get lead, when they when they get a lead is just misdefined to me. That's the eighth time this year. Eighth time. And this is why I was able to predict it.
00:36:19
Speaker
Eighth time this year that they've been ahead one zero I think, and then not ended up holding the lead. And it's so it's like, why does that happen? you like, you know, it's it's mental fortitude stuff that we're talking about.
00:36:31
Speaker
But, like, dude, when you when you get the opening goal in the seventh minute, there's a lot of game left. You cannot, like... play like you're closing out a road game with a one goal lead and 10 minutes left from the seventh seventh minute onward.
00:36:47
Speaker
That is not going to work. You are going to blow that lead every time. That's like, you can't make it that far. And not you can't even make it like 50 or 60 minutes living like that, especially as the home team, let alone like 83.
00:37:02
Speaker
So ah I just, I don't know. When I watch that team, I'm just like, Why? Why? You're the home team. You're up 1-0. You got and an own goal to go ahead, which, yeah, I think it was ah it was a fortunate deflection for them and unlucky for Seattle, but they created that goal by making a dangerous opportunity.
00:37:24
Speaker
And ah they also had a couple of other chances in the first half. So I don't want to i don't think like fully parking the bus is necessarily an accurate way to describe what they were doing. But what they were what they were doing, what they were perfectly content when they had the lead to see Seattle the ball and let them and let Seattle knock it around in their end all day.
00:37:43
Speaker
And they did a good job in the first half. of making sure that it was like possession without purpose for Seattle. But again, like eventually that's going to crack.
00:37:55
Speaker
If you are playing like that the whole game and you're only up one goal, all it takes is one transition opportunity like De La Vega got, like we saw. And you're you're going to blow that lead. So I don't know. I'm just sitting there. Like, I mean, I was happy to see it because I knew i knew if they kept playing like that, they were going to blow the lead.
Atlanta United’s Identity Crisis
00:38:14
Speaker
So that was sick. But it's also like, why? Why? Why are you playing like that at home? Like on the road, I could see it maybe a little more. But like, if and also if it was one time. But like, i you know, I watch them every week and they do that like all the time.
00:38:28
Speaker
So I don't like, what is what is up with that? Like, why are why do they play like that? That's because they don't have an identity, Ari. This is that a team with a lot of names that has a non-existent soccer module. They don't don't know what they want to do.
00:38:44
Speaker
I said this before this game. They're a reactive team rather than a proactive team. They kind of just go off of what they can do. We talked to Felipe Cardenas about this whole thing.
00:38:56
Speaker
ah interest from Atlanta United on Pedro de la Vega. And that those inquiries were made before the club world cup through the world ah world cup as well, because the team has no wingers currently. They they they don't have any wingers. The width of this team is provided by the fullbacks.
00:39:11
Speaker
And even then it's not good enough. Right. I mean, Is Amador on the left? Is at times he had been Saba. ah Is at times he had been Lennon. Sometimes it's Ronald, which is crazy. that That's the guy that's going to be giving you any sort of width.
00:39:26
Speaker
ah Clearly Almiron is more of a pocket winger. So, you know, he's going to work in those inside channels. So, they don't they don't have any wing play. that They're not a very dangerous team when it comes to creating from wide positions.
00:39:39
Speaker
ah Sure, they have the Lattelots and they have a guy like Marin Cech and they have Marone. But at the same time, I mean, that's very limited. And you've seen that through... the whole season for Atlanta United. And when, it and last lot even hasn't been clinical in front of goal and stuff. So this is a team that's in serious disarray before this game, Ronnie Dallas called his team soft and that they lack character against Charlotte.
00:40:04
Speaker
And that's another reason why I've thought that the Seattle Thunder should have gone to Atlanta and won this game. We talked about it. I thought it should have been a big win. I thought it was going to be a three, one win. And it just wasn't. So those are part of the the things that,
00:40:19
Speaker
make me frustrated because you weren't the better squad. You were a team that knows what they want to do with the ball. You weren't able to do it ah in that first half. um Not that having quality players is not going to make things difficult, but you were the much better team in this game and and you weren't able to show it on the field.
00:40:37
Speaker
Defensively, that's a poor team. They're an awful team defensively. thought there were moments where Seattle's press Throughout the whole game, it ineffective in general senses. There were moments where they were able to get the ball back, but they weren't able to create off of them.
00:40:53
Speaker
ah So I just, I think that there's a lot that Seattle Sounders did not do as well as they could have. ah Individually, I think that you got you have to, Lord, you have to get Christian Rodan some rest.
00:41:06
Speaker
Because in this one, he was very sloppy in the first half. Still good in other parts of the field because this Christian Rodan, he's a baller. He's a baller. So he's going to, going defend balls. He's going to get you the ball back. He's going to grind. He's going to work. ah you know He's like Rihanna's on work, work, work, work. But at the time and same time, he is doing mistakes that he doesn't typically do, and a lot of it has to be ex exhaustion.
00:41:31
Speaker
um so So for me, you've got to be able to find him some rest, man, because it was not his best game. Again, I thought Reid, in an opportunity to solidify himself over New Who on the left side, was not good.
00:41:42
Speaker
And, you know... Knew who comes in. just didn't just get the assist, but he was good defensively. So once again, we go back to, you know, he's redoing enough to win that that position.
00:41:54
Speaker
i don't know. ah So all those things of individual effort throughout the game were just hard to watch, man. It it was just not the Sounders best game in this one.
00:42:07
Speaker
Yeah, no, especially in the first half, which, you know, i can i can live with a poor first half in an east coast on an East Coast road trip if you end up winning the game, you know? And that's how I felt at the when Osaze scored that go-ahead goal.
00:42:24
Speaker
And at that point, I was like, that's got to be the game winner. I was like, all right, like... First half is whatever. Like, it's ah it's a long road trip, even if it is a bad team.
00:42:35
Speaker
ah if you have If you have one poor half, but you come back and you take the three points, then all is forgiven, basically. But then you draw the game, and and now you go back to it, and you're like, man, like, if you hadn't gotten if you hadn't fallen behind against this team in the first half and kind of let them close up shop like that and make it so every single time you had the ball in their end they just had everyone behind the ball and five six seven guys in the box and anytime there was a cross in and then they weren't allowing seattle to play through the middle at all either every time seattle tried to play through the middle it felt like it was like a turnover so uh definitely yeah
00:43:17
Speaker
frustrating game, like but definitely positives to take away from it. As far as, uh, De La Vega, that's a, that's a, uh, a designated $7 million dollar designated player moment. Once again, that he has for a second game in a row.
00:43:31
Speaker
And you just, uh, you're just, I think you're starting to see him kind of solidify himself on this team and feel more comfortable and really like do the stuff that we all know is in his bag. Like that you and I have seen a training a lot and that we've seen in games at different times, but those are,
00:43:48
Speaker
When I think about what you need from a designated player to be successful and compete for trophies in this league, it's guys that make game-changing plays, move the needle, make impact plays that affect results positively, and maybe get you points in situations where you otherwise wouldn't or shouldn't.
00:44:11
Speaker
And he's looked like that type of player the last two games. So again, caveats acknowledged, like it's only two games against San Jose and Atlanta, but you do need to build towards the type of player that they need him to be.
00:44:28
Speaker
He needs a baseline like this to start from where he starts making those plays and coming through in those moments. And ah that's why, like, you know, when Noah and I were going back and forth on the, uh, on the caveats because, you know, I felt like he was doing the doesn't count talking points a little bit, but yeah he is, he is right that it's like, you can't crown him the savior based off of two games.
00:44:51
Speaker
But my thing, I guess is just like, ah if we're going to, if we're going to sit here and say, like pointed out when he isn't performing to that level or producing to that level on the statute, like we have pointed out as something that's perhaps hamstrung this team at times this season,
00:45:08
Speaker
ah Then I want to give him credit if he does start to look like that type of player and he has over these past couple weeks. So I'll give him credit for that. And also, ah hopefully he can just continue to ah to build on that because that would be a big time ceiling razor.
00:45:23
Speaker
ah But Nico, before we get into this, Derek coming in with the. Gifted membership. Derek's carrying the load super chat wise this morning. so Right, Derek.
00:45:36
Speaker
yeah we You are today's federal Vega. You're the designated player of this episode of Lobbing Scorchers kickoff. But what you were mentioning lineup wise, I think is a good segue into the next topic that I wanted to hit.
00:45:50
Speaker
which of course is Leagues Cup, which is starting on Thursday versus Cruz Azul, familiar foe, at Lumen Field. So what what I wanted to do is, ah in in a bit here, we'll talk about how we think they should line it up for this game, bust out our trusty friend, the lineup builder, and talk about how we think Schmetz should handle this.
00:46:10
Speaker
But before we do that, I wanted to talk a little bit just about... how seriously we think Seattle should take this competition and how much weight we put on it as far as if they can make a run may or if they can win it, what the implications of that would be aside from the prize money in the champions cup spot, like just how, it how we should perceive this tournament and how much stock, how much weight and how much effort ah they should put on it before we do that. I mean, we got P Magno coming in with the $5 super chat. Thank you so much. Appreciate you.
00:46:42
Speaker
Let's hit this question he's got And then talk some Leeds Cup Nico you should take this one because you're probably more Plugged into this than me where are we at with Snyder Brunel Schmetz made it sound like he would be signed by now A few weeks ago wondering the same thing I thought it sounded hard reported that that was imminent then I haven't heard anything since what's up with it It just hasn't been announced man that's what it is They are pushing it back farther and farther out But ah for all accounts It's all done and well they were going to Announce it last week they didn't They're going to probably announce it this week But A lot more, I guess, i don't know if it's more time, but for whatever reason, they just haven't announced it.
00:47:16
Speaker
ah But it's done. Brian Spencer has acknowledged it ah Christian will then acknowledge that he talked about the reasons and the things that ah Schneider can do for the team. So consider it done.
00:47:28
Speaker
It's just about, hasn't been officialized just yet. yeah um But, you know, he's a good player. think going to be in the rotation. He's probably going to benefit out of... um Leagues Cup, I have a, man, I really, i put stock in in any international tournament.
00:47:49
Speaker
But at the same time, I understand that the all be all for the Sounders should be right now, specifically considering injuries and things, it should be the league. um With the additional caveat that, you know, you have a couple of players that have had A ton of minutes. You have not been able to switch out.
00:48:10
Speaker
But at the same time. Brian Smetzer has mentioned that. The Sounders are always going to. Compete. And in any tournament. They're going to want to get wins. And I believe him. um So.
00:48:22
Speaker
It's going to be really hard to. For you and I today. To with the lineup builder. Figure out the 11. Because. We're going to try. We're going to try baby. Without looking at practice. To figure out.
00:48:36
Speaker
The yeah physical component of where these guys are at, it it it might be kind of hard, ah but I think that there will be rotation. I would like to see a whole lot of Georgie Manungu in a League's Cup. I really do. i think that this is a tournament where he...
00:48:53
Speaker
could use some minutes, could use some confidence. The same thing goes for Ryan Kent, just to kind of figure out where he's at, what he can do. um I have said, and I said it on Friday on what we learned this week, that I want to see more Manungu than I want to see Ryan Kent.
00:49:10
Speaker
And that's only because I know that Manungu is going to be a guy that the team will have next season. Menungo's a guy that we need to nurture and and and grow and develop because he's a huge, ah you know very raw talent that needs to continue to get better.
00:49:25
Speaker
With Ryan Kent, I do not see... much of a possibility that he'll be here next year. So maybe you get what you can out of him, but he's not a guy that I'm worried about figuring out for next season because I just don't see a way that he'll be here next year.
00:49:42
Speaker
And he hasn't shown enough right now to be a guy that I'm dying or or would be saying, hey, you guys need to keep him. So that's why i want to see more Georgie Menungu. I want to see some Danny Leyva.
00:49:53
Speaker
Osase, you know, he's a guy that, again, i he gets the goal, but I don't know. There's more that needs to be done there. ah So maybe you do see him to see where he what other things he can do.
00:50:05
Speaker
On the air, he's a boss. And I think that if I have a moment where I need a set piece, that I need somebody to get to, he's a guy that i definitely want on the field. But a lot of the other stuff is is problematic.
00:50:17
Speaker
um We're probably going to see a lot of Danny Musavsky. He was not good against Atlanta. He really struggled. Yeah. All in all, when he will get the ball in the link up, he just had a hard time not getting services in as well.
00:50:29
Speaker
But ah we do want to try to figure out what's up up there, including maybe adding Ferreira up there. So there's going to be a lot of rotation, ah but I still think that Seattle should and will want to win Leagues Cup or get far in in in a tournament where the Sounders have done historically well. and Even if you go back to the showcase where we went to the final in Vegas against Club León.
00:50:55
Speaker
Yeah, no, exactly. Michael Pogson coming in with the ah five gifted memberships. Thank you guys so much for all the support this morning. Appreciate each and every one of you. You're the ones who ah make the show go. So thank you.
00:51:09
Speaker
ah Yeah, I'll just I'll reiterate my take on League's Cup, which is that. if ah If the Seattle Sounders make a run to the final and and they win it, then it's a very important and distinguished trophy, great tournament ah that is highly significant and a big-time addition to the trophy case.
00:51:29
Speaker
ah If they get grouped or eliminated earlier on in the tournament, cynical cash grab doesn't matter. Don't care about It it was just incredible. It was just to get ah some lineup rotation and ah you can rest guys. And that's all it was. And I don't care. no one cares.
00:51:47
Speaker
that's a That's my take on Leagues Cup. We got another another super sticker. Matthew Malcolm this time. Thank you so much. Oh, man. They're just rolling in. Rolling in on this Monday morning episode. Appreciate you guys.
00:52:00
Speaker
Uh, but yeah, I mean, like, you know, I'm being a little facetious, but the way I see this tournament is that, what I, what I really, think that they should do and are probably going to do is in these group stage games, these early games, uh,
00:52:18
Speaker
rotate, get guys run that need it, get guys minutes that need it, get and give guys rest that need it. We've talked so much about how the Christian no bed double pivot just needs a break. This is a perfect opportunity to do it in these, uh, in these early games.
00:52:32
Speaker
And you, uh, you see how far that can take you, if it can take you out of the group. And then it's sort of how I feel about open cup to like any tournament that's going on in season, like, uh,
00:52:44
Speaker
the further you make it, the stronger starting theoretical starting 11s that you put out. And if they're, if they're may in the quarters semis and it looks like they make a run at the final, um then I honestly do want to see them put like the stronger starting 11s out there and try and win it. Why not? Like,
00:53:01
Speaker
If you're right there with a chance to win a trophy, whatever the trophy is, you may as well go for it. And like with this one in particular, ah you know, people might not like it, but it's here to stay like the partnership and the relationship in general between these two leagues.
00:53:19
Speaker
that That's something that they are very intent and have put a ton of money uh, into trying to foster. So it's, this tournament is going to be there for this foreseeable future. Seattle almost won it in 2021 and, uh, lost to club Leon in that final in, in Vegas.
00:53:35
Speaker
So if you can put this one in the bag, like it's, it's another trophy. And then also another thing, ah I was saying is just that if you, if you do, if you do just win it, then it kind of lessens the, uh,
00:53:50
Speaker
I guess, pressure or importance on future iterations of this tournament where you can be like, all right, we already won it. So if you don't win it in a given year, then it's like not that big a deal. People might not think it's that big a deal anyway. And people are entitled to care about it however much they want to.
00:54:06
Speaker
But for me, it's like if you, if you make, if it looks like you have a genuine chance at making a run to the final and potentially adding this trophy, You should do it.
Seattle Sounders: Depth and Lineup Rotation
00:54:17
Speaker
You may as well. There's no reason. The reason not to would be to be like, we got to we got to save everything for ah for league play. But, you know, one of the big selling points of this team is the depth to be able to do stuff like this, like contend in a tournament like this ah when you're putting out an 11. That's theoretically not your strongest.
00:54:36
Speaker
And i think ah I think the depth has shown itself. This year I do like the fact that Seattle hasn't had their DP number nine at all this year, pretty much.
00:54:49
Speaker
ah And a lot of the other injury issues that they've had at times with the, ah with the center back group as well. ah And that they're still top four in the West.
00:54:59
Speaker
I think that is a testament to that. They have the depth to be able to get out of a group like this, even if they're not playing the double pivot. Although I'll be interested to see what they do with that because they don't have JP.
Importance of the Leagues Cup: How Much Does It Matter?
00:55:14
Speaker
So with that in mind, Matthew coming in with another $5 super chat. Thank you. ah don't fight the oligarchs, learn how to work with them to achieve more benefit the squad. Yeah, exactly. Sometimes you have to embrace the ah the oligarchy. This is one of those situations there. I mean, they're like I said, they have that oligarch class has a ton of stock in this tournament. So it's not like, it's not like this is a situation where they're still like testing out the tournament and it may or may not be there.
00:55:39
Speaker
So like if you win the trophy, it's not going to mean anything because the tournament won't exist in a couple of years. Like is they're going playing this thing every year for the rest of eternity. So yeah, You may as well win it one time.
00:55:52
Speaker
ah Nico, before we bust out this ah lineup builder, anything anything else on just like the importance or stock that they should put on this? No, i like I said, I would put a lot of stock in it. um And I've always said that championships and titles is what ah this team needs to get to acquire.
00:56:18
Speaker
i know that it is something that b Brian s Spencer hasn't had in quite some time. And quite honestly, this sort of tournament is the easiest way to get a a a trophy. It's lot easier to win eight games in or seven and be in a final ah rather than having to you know play an entire season to ah get to the p playoffs, win the playoffs, win a final.
00:56:45
Speaker
I mean, it's it's a lot more difficult to win your domestic league. So it could create a chance for this team to to get some some silverware. But at the same time, just looking at the the current state of the squad, and we'll talk about it moving forward because I don't know how much rotation will be, at least for this first Cruises Soul game. That's probably your toughest game.
00:57:06
Speaker
um Seattle's just in a difficult situation when it comes to the rotation of players. But I think that is a good chance. i think it's a good opportunity that the team should try to take. Cruz Azul, the same team that Seattle played in CONCACAF Champions Cup earlier this year, got that's the team that they got eliminated by.
Anticipating Seattle vs. Cruz Azul
00:57:26
Speaker
ah do you have any read or intel on what their situation is as far as are you expecting them to play ah rotated side, what type of form that they've been in since CONCACAF Champions Cup, and how that might affect Seattle's chances of taking the result in this match?
00:57:45
Speaker
and They're going to go full in just because they they just started their Klausura, right? They just started the new season. They have only three games in. They're going to use this to get their right squad, not to mention the fact the Liga MX teams, they day like this right here.
00:58:01
Speaker
And that money side, it's given by league's cup. You know, you, you want to get as far as you can to just get another bonus. So to me, they're going to go full on.
00:58:12
Speaker
The team is basically the same with the exception of Giacomo keys. And I think El Toro Fernandez has gone there too. ah Where did Giacomo keys go?
00:58:24
Speaker
I can't remember where he went, ah but, but, but he's no longer there. Oh, didn't know that. And, um, I do think that this team, by all accounts, has its core still there intact.
00:58:40
Speaker
and And they're going to just be a ah difficult team to play just as they were when they came here from defensively all the way down to, ah you know, Charlie Rodriguez and the rest of the squad. I think that this is a quality team that ah Seattle knows they're going to have to be very good defensively good against if they want to be able to get a result.
00:59:02
Speaker
um' I'm seeing Giacomakis on Wikipedia as as he is still on Cruz Azul. He's still there? He could be. Maybe he's on the cusp of being out, but he he hasn't played. yeah I mean, he is a ah he is a mercenary. Like that guy, he'll play wherever. So who knows if he's going to be on the team. But I mean, either way, like any any game against Liga Mekki side like this is – you know, I, the, the reason that I don't mind this tournament is because, I've said it before, like the reps against teams like this make, you make you better. So for a guy like Georgie, who just the number one thing he needs right now that he's not getting because of where he's at on the depth chart is reps.
00:59:43
Speaker
So if you can get him those against competition like this, that's a great way to, uh, to development, develop him and elevate his level. So to me, ah Obviously i want them to ah make a run and try and win it.
01:00:00
Speaker
But also another thing I'll be keeping an eye on is just how a player like Georgie performs. Like you mentioned, Ryan Kent, it's another opportunity platform to get an evaluation, ah a deeper evaluation on him.
01:00:13
Speaker
So especially for these group stage games, i'm go bust out the lineup builder right now, but especially for these group stage games, i want I want to see a lot of rotation, first of all, but I'm going to be watching to see how those rotated pieces are, like their form regardless of result, I guess. you know If they take a negative result, but ah Georgie or Danny Leyva look incredible, that would still be a positive to take away no matter what happens in the game. So a tournament like this, that's another thing that I'm that i'm looking at. but let's say yes So so just just going back over here, sounds like Jokomakis has not played with the team at all.
01:00:51
Speaker
ah He's effectively out He just hasn't gone anywhere Okay, so he's not going to playing Charlotte's been Trying to get him Trying to make a European leap But yeah, he's definitely Under cups of leaving That's lucy not surprising, to be honest. But all right, let's try and project ah project this lineup.
01:01:13
Speaker
Like you said, this is going to be probably a fool's errand because we don't know how Schmetz is going to handle this. But we can kind of look at it from the lens of like what we want to see or what we would hope.
01:01:24
Speaker
that Schmetz would do and not necessarily like, I think I learned my lesson from, ah when we projected the rotated lineup for one of the, I think the Colorado game and then it just was the exact same 11 as it always is.
01:01:37
Speaker
So, but I think, I think he actually is going to rotate to a lot more effect. So this will be interesting to look at. Uh, all right. This is just the, uh, the default one.
01:01:49
Speaker
So we're going we're going to, uh, ah change this up a lot. It's going to any team goal, right? Like there's stuffh still in protocol. um What do you think they do at ah and left back on Thursday versus Cruz Azul? Is this an RBW situation or a J-Bell situation?
01:02:07
Speaker
We had this wrong for the Atlanta game. i I said that it felt like Jay Bell was for like Schmetz's first in the pecking order behind new who. And especially I was thinking for a road game, maybe you put the more defensive option there. And then he started RBW.
01:02:24
Speaker
Do you think RBW gets run out there again? or or is it going to be Jay Bell or is it going to be new who after new who new played well coming, coming off the bench, didn't get ejected and got an assist and was ah fine on defense, I think.
01:02:38
Speaker
So do you think new who gets back in the 11 here? I think who gets back into my opinion. Yeah. And, uh, you know, I think he's still in the process of earning his, uh, his equity and his role back.
01:02:54
Speaker
ah But like, I think what he did in, uh, in Atlanta jokes aside, like that's, that's, that's what he needs to do. ah go out there incident free, God willing, and contribute to the success of the team, which, which let's be fair. He did, he did do that.
01:03:14
Speaker
So that's to me, that's like, you know, it's not the highest bar in the world, but he cleared it. So I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't hate it if he starts here.
01:03:24
Speaker
ah You know, let's just hope that he doesn't get a red card. and no would and And Brian, you know, he alluded to the fact that he's going to need to be good defensively against Cruz Azul. And that to me means let's probably not be as adventurous on the left side and let's have our, you know, essentially best one-on-one defender out there.
01:03:47
Speaker
Despite the issues, despite the mistakes, the liabilities and things, I think he's still the guy that if anyone's going to lock down that side is likely going to be a new. So, yeah, I think that's why.
01:04:00
Speaker
Uh, what about, ah what about CB? Like, do you, do you put J bell in one of these spots? Uh, or do you, uh, do you just, I feel like CB is one where you can theoretically ride your, your normal pairing, especially because both these guys are still relatively recently coming off injury and you're trying to get them back 90 fit.
01:04:22
Speaker
So, uh, if I'm looking at it, I feel like they, he might, he might just run Jackson Reagan and Yemar. Yeah, I am 95% sure that he'll run it back. To your point, chemistry. You need to, once again, re-candle that. You have to make sure that ah that stays positive. That's got to give you some continuity.
01:04:41
Speaker
ah This team has no one in that center back group that moves the ball as well as Reagan does. I thought that that in the Atlanta game, he put a couple of gorgeous balls to into half spaces that unfortunately went nowhere in that first half.
01:04:57
Speaker
But he was one of those guys that I thought had a very good game. and And same goes for Yammer, despite the own goal, despite ah being it slightly late to close down a lot to lot on that goal. I think that he was important. i think he was crucial ah to keep a lot to lot at bay.
01:05:13
Speaker
So I think he's a guy that stays James says Do not want to see Yamar in this tournament If he goes down it's a as his disaster For the regular season and i mean iline yeah i like I agree that it would be a disaster For the regular season But you are going to get him out of there Believe me well there's there's There's that but there's also You have to you have to balance like the fear of him getting injured again with the, uh, with the reality that if, if he's not getting like regular minutes to get fit, that actually, I would say increases the chances that he could get injured when you, when it does come back.
01:05:48
Speaker
So that's, it's tough. It's like, uh, you are risking him every time you put him out there like any other player, but you also need to get him fit and be able to make it through these games.
01:06:00
Speaker
Uh, without getting, without getting injured, which, you know, keeping him out, that could increase it when he does come back type thing. So it is, i don't, I don't envy having to make those decisions, but I also, I think, ah I think he, I think he runs this duo in this game.
01:06:16
Speaker
ah What do you think about right back? You think, yeah I think this is probably a KKR situation, but I could also see him. I don't know. I don't know which, which one Alex or KKR.
01:06:28
Speaker
um I have a hard time with this one because, you know, logic tells me that the pivot should rotate and that if anything, you could probably do KK are here and put Alex Roldan maybe in the Christian Roldan role. dan rule But at the same time, i don't know if Cruz Azul is the team that I want experiment against.
01:06:56
Speaker
So... So to me, think it's going to stay the same. And maybe we should just do KKR just to make it interesting. And maybe let's put Alex on the Christian role dance pod just for... Well, because the double pivot is going to be the thing that I think is kind of the hardest to predict. I don't know what they're going to do. Yeah. And that's what's going to essentially move everything around, right? Because if you've got to give Christian some time off, you're going to have to figure out how. And Alex is the only guy that I think you could...
01:07:28
Speaker
Do there in order to Get it right but if that stays the same Then Alex is going to play that right back decision The only way to replace a Roldan is to put in another Roldan So let let's just do it just for fun let did just Just for fun like like i do I do think that I do think he This is like a opportunity To see if this works ah Which I think yeah I've said that I think it's the It's probably the best option they have with the JP injury. And, like, dude, i christian I don't want to see Christian play one minute in the group stage. I know that's probably – he's probably just going to start him every game. but He might start this one. If he's starting any game, he might be this one. but
01:08:10
Speaker
But let's you and I – do it different with our lineup and let's leave it like this caveat acknowledged that it's probably going to be just Christian and Obed again, but you know, dare to dream. dare i mean, at a certain point, like you were saying, like in the, ah in the Atlanta game and really these last few games, ah there's been just like fatigue type mistakes that Christian rolled on just never makes. So hopefully i i would not start him in this game, but it's also clearly,
01:08:39
Speaker
in recent weeks, like the load management has not been taken into account with that situation. But ah I think this would be cool if they did it. Who do you, so do you think it's,
01:08:51
Speaker
you think it's Obed beside Alex or? Yeah, I think it's Obed. I think Obed stays just to figure out how it works. ah If I'm tinkering with Christian, I'm just going to lead Obed. Not to mention that Obed, despite him having a lot of ah minutes as well, he's had some times off. He you know went to the All-Star game, only played a couple of minutes and you know not a lot.
01:09:12
Speaker
I thought that ah despite him not having his best game against Atlanta, That recovery run that he does to stop Latte Lott in a breakaway moment. Oh, that was sick. Is to be applauded. I mean, you know, it's not that. I meant to mention that. Running down, ah you know.
01:09:31
Speaker
Budabaker. Budabaker. It's not almost there, but then I just thought it was phenomenal the way he just cut the field. Latte Lott has, you know, 10 yards on him and he just.
01:09:43
Speaker
get some without fouling, I may add, without fouling, just completely delays the play and stops that. So I think that Obed starts this one. That was insane. That was one of the best defensive highlights of the season.
01:09:56
Speaker
And that's one of those ones where when we're talking about like scouts in Europe and why Obed's stock is so high right now, like, yeah, it's the technical ability and ah his attributes as a facilitator and ball progressor and helping the attack.
01:10:13
Speaker
But scouts are looking at stuff like that when you're freaking busting it 60 yards against latte lock, the fastest dude in the league sprint speed wise. And you, you track them down. And like you said, cut out the chance without fouling him.
01:10:27
Speaker
Incredible play. God, he's just, he's so good. Uh, All right, so we're going with the Alex-rolled-on Obed double pivot. I would be excited to watch that, even though I do hope Obed gets... ah what do you think What do you think they would do in a situation where Christian and Obed aren't in the 11?
01:10:47
Speaker
Like, who would it be? I think... I really do think that it's going to be Alex and Danny Leyva. Yeah. Unless, you know, JP's back, right? yeah We heard that it could possibly be three weeks now, two weeks ah before he gets back. But without JP, I think it it would be Alex and and and Danny Leyva.
01:11:09
Speaker
that and that That's all you really have left in store ah for now. I mean, it would be... not not just disrespectful, but it'd be like, man, like really, if you play Schneider and Alex over Alex and Leyva, right? The guy just got promoted. He's 18. I mean, I think that Leyva would be the guy there.
01:11:29
Speaker
Yeah, no, i ah I agree. Everyone listen to Azurata. Let's get more likes on the video. Yeah, I haven't plugged that since the top of the show. Everyone watching right now, everyone in chat, give the video a like. let's get the you know Let's get this one to at least 50.
01:11:45
Speaker
Maybe we can get it to triple digits. Who knows? But yeah, please like the video. Get us in that. I'll go. Uh, all right. How do you think that they line up the front four Nico? This is going to be the interesting question.
01:11:56
Speaker
ah for me, I got Ryan Kent right here. do you see that any different? ah Uh, uh, I mean, look, if Paul Rothbard was, was fit, um, I think it'd be Paul.
01:12:12
Speaker
Um, but you know what? I mean, to me, yes, you're right. I think Ryan Kent, uh, Would go there but with how good Pedro has been i might just put Brian Ken on the right side And see how That like that i like works out Let's do it let's just have some fun here I think that is something worth trying.
01:12:35
Speaker
I think that is something worth trying. just It worked with De La Vega. You just moved him to the other side. Now he looks like a god. Maybe maybe ah Ryan Kent looking like a god again. All it takes is for him to switch sides. And De La Vega, I honestly, i wouldn't mind necessarily him Starting here just to like just to keep him in that confident rhythm that he's in right now If he has another good game against an opponent like this, it will only boost his confidence and his stock in general Yeah, you pulled him in the what 67 68, you know, yeah, they they pulled him rather early um Maybe 70th, but but but I he he definitely got pulled off early So i think Petra starting again is very possible
01:13:21
Speaker
I agree. ah i don't i don't know if he's going to do the moving Ryan Kent to the right side yet, but let's ah let's let's ah leave it like this. I like this.
01:13:33
Speaker
I'm pretty sure Rusnak is going to start again. What I would want to see, I want to see at least a little bit in this tournament, Danny Leiva get some run that spot. too. I want to see that. That's something that they need to find out if that works.
01:13:46
Speaker
There's a lot of theories that his best position is actually in that more advanced role ah because what Danny Weva does well, you know he's not the fastest guy in the world. He's not ah the most physical defensive presence in the world, but he is a very good long passer. He's got good through balls. He's a good he's good facilitator.
01:14:09
Speaker
So I think those are all attributes that lend themselves well to that position. I don't think they would start him there against Cruz Azul. I mean, do you think there's any chance that they ah run Ferreira in the center there? or It feels like they just yeah they they ride Rusnak at this spot pretty much unless they're unless they absolutely can't.
01:14:32
Speaker
No, I think that is more likely for them to run Ferreira at the nine than it is at the 10, to be quite frank. And I think you're right. I would like to see Danny there at least one game.
01:14:44
Speaker
ah Not in this one, obviously, but I think that Danny Leyva, if anything, you need to figure out what he could provide
Seattle's Game Plan Against Cruz Azul
01:14:51
Speaker
you. And and yes, I think not just the through balls, the cerebral component, you know, he's got a high IQ, ah but set pieces. I think he's one of the best set pieces takers on the team.
01:15:01
Speaker
yeah And therefore that being Albert's role, i think that Danny could, you know, provide that. So it's kind of cool to just see it one time to see how it works out. Uh, as far as the nine goes, I do, I think they're going to I think they're going to run for like, uh,
01:15:18
Speaker
It could like Moose has been starting and I think he's earned that even though, like you know, like you mentioned Atlanta game wasn't necessarily his best game, but mean, he's the, ah he's been the line leader every situation where Jordan Morris hasn't been able to play, which has been most of the season.
01:15:32
Speaker
So it could be a Moose game, but I think, This is kind of a situation where you can both get one of your best players on the field and do a little experimentation with trying to get him more run in a different role to get him more reps there, especially playing with Rusnak there instead of the wide channel.
01:15:54
Speaker
So, I mean, I guess I want them to run Ferreira. too. Up top in this game. I don't i second that. Let's put him there. I second that. I think Danny struggled. I think that you know that the aggressivity and the the decisiveness in Ferreira has grown.
01:16:15
Speaker
and Like I said, in in in that the Atlanta game, it was it was it was like it was very difficult. And he played the nine for like, I don't know, six minutes or 10 minutes after um some changes or maybe for Osase came on, obviously didn't get a lot more than I think one opportunity off of the right side that he can't quite get. He gets to the spot in the 18, but he can't quite settle it down.
01:16:39
Speaker
ah But yeah, I would like to see Ferreira. I think that you need to exploit that. um I think that he is slowly getting a lot of confidence. He's learning what this group is about. in it And, you know, we asked them, I asked them about whether his success was because of where he was being played or more because of ah the, finally just that chemistry getting with with the team and knowing what players are going to be.
01:17:04
Speaker
And, you know, he he alluded to that, that that's a big component. So I think if you put him up there, it'd be interesting to see how it plays with how good and, um Defiant on the ball Pedro Lavega has been you know I think that they all Touch the ball very similarly I think that him and Lavega have a good report So yeah I like to see it man why not Chat does not like The Ferreira at the nine Idea ah Look the the the logic Is ah First of all like
01:17:37
Speaker
the last The last time that he played up there, he scored a game-winning goal against one of the best teams in the league. So I think building on the ah trying to build on that makes sense because the reality is you unique with with Jordan out long-term here, you need a contingency plan besides Moose.
01:17:57
Speaker
And there's not a lot of ah ironclad options for that, i guess, other than Osaze, who is still just very unproven. So I want to see Osaze get run up top too.
01:18:10
Speaker
But like, yeah I mean, i understand people are still scarred by the St. Louis game and the San Diego game. But you need to, this is an opportunity to find out If this works, and if it if it does work, you have a viable option, like, when Moose can't go or you need to yeah you need to rotate him out. And, like, put Osase out there, like, a against Cruz Azul, like, no, you're not going to... Like, we if even if you want them to do that, he's not going to do that. That's not even, like... To me, that's not even, like, worth talking about because it's just not something that will will be... I can...
01:18:49
Speaker
I don't want to say guarantee. Maybe Schmetz, maybe Schmetz pulls one out of the bag that we're not expecting. Maybe he does it. I seriously, seriously doubt that he starts Osaze in a, ah in a league's cup group stage match against Cruz Azul. And the reality is too, like, uh,
01:19:08
Speaker
Ferreira has been in good form for like a month now, guys. Like, that's objectively true. So, I mean, the the Atlanta game, it wasn't a great game for him. It was a bad a bad game for the whole offense in the first half.
01:19:20
Speaker
But he has been producing and providing final product for the last few weeks. It's looked a lot better as part of this attack. So, that's and that's another reason why like, the logic of Running him there I think makes sense Yeah and look guys Um if there's anything that hasn't changed In Cruz Azul is that backline And let me Assure you that Danny like Danny Musovsky's game Doesn't um Doesn't match up well With whether it's the three man backline That um Cruz who can't play in or uh You know two center backs in the four man backline Uh
01:20:04
Speaker
Piovi and Willardita are physical. They're more athletic. They are more experienced. They have more international minutes. I mean, this these two guys are fantastic. And even when they play with the three and back line with Lida in the middle of those two, that's a tough lineup, man. I mean, ah that they're coming from a 4-1 win over León. León is not like this amazing brute attack force, but there's still a quality team up top, man. And those those three men, they they make it difficult.
01:20:32
Speaker
I think that the only way to really get around those three or two is dragging them out. And I think Ferreira could do a lot of that. You're going to have to play in the half spaces. You're going to have to play with your back to goal. ah You're going to have to get your wingers involved.
01:20:44
Speaker
um There is going to have to be a collective effort to, to score goals on this, this team. Not to mention that ah with Kevin Mier being you
01:20:57
Speaker
um fearless and and and as much of a gambler as he is being a goalkeeper. He's had a couple of boo-boos already in this season because he sometimes is a little bit too confident on the ball.
01:21:08
Speaker
A guy pressing like Ferreira can lead to some really good moments. And we all know that Ferreira is the better defensive pressing attacker or or nine than Danny Mosavsky. So to me, it feels like he fits better into this game.
01:21:23
Speaker
But again, I am not Brian Smetzer. I'm just kind of giving you what I think leading up to this game. No, it's a good point about the ah two-way presence because that is as as much as chat doesn't like it.
01:21:36
Speaker
That's something that Brian Smetzer takes into account. Ferreira is very good at pressing. He is a high work rate player and he's, he's good on defense. Like he's a two way player ah in it more so than, than Mooses.
01:21:51
Speaker
So that's another reason why, regardless of what ah any of us want them to do, I think you know we also have to think about what what the coaches are are evaluating, and they are taking that stuff into account. And you know as far as the notion that Ferrer at the nine is just a total bust and we have no evidence of that working, I don't even really need to go back to the FC Dallas days ah where he had success there. He literally he started there and scored a game-winning goal against San Diego FC like two or three weeks ago.
01:22:22
Speaker
Like, that's... The idea that it's been like a ah it hasn't it hasn't like there's no recent track record of it working at all is just not true.
01:22:35
Speaker
So like, I don't I don't know if it's the best option in the world. But with Jordan Morris out, it's something that you at least do have to try. You have to. So. I think that they're going to do it in this game probably.
01:22:48
Speaker
ah Zach does wants Georgie in there, so let's let's just do that just for kicks and see how we like how that works. ah Where is he? What? Is Georgie even on Fault Mob?
01:23:00
Speaker
What the hell?
01:23:04
Speaker
How do you spell his name? There. Oh, oh it's because he's on Tacoma Defiance. i See, I would like this. I like that, too. I like that, too. Absolutely. I like that, too.
01:23:15
Speaker
And hopefully, you know, ah hopefully we did we see Ryan Kent get a lot of run in this tournament, even if he doesn't necessarily start this game. ah But no, I mean, I think that i think this lineup's kind of fired. This lineup can can hang with Cruz Azul.
01:23:30
Speaker
So... We'll see if they can do it on Thursday at Lumen Field. All right, Nico, I got to get out of here. So we'll call it right right there for this episode of Lobbing Scorchers Kickoff.
01:23:43
Speaker
Thank you guys all so much for for tuning in. Thanks for all the super chat love and the ah gifted memberships this morning. Love and appreciate all of you.
01:23:55
Speaker
We'll see what the what the pod under the lights schedule is this week with the Thursday game. There's going to be some tinkering. ah Follow me on on Blue Sky for timing and information on that. And we'll ah we'll have some stuff out before the game.
01:24:12
Speaker
And woa we'll be talking after the game as well. Nico, appreciate you as always, man. And I'll catch you soon. Thank you, guys. Have a good one. See you guys. Peace.