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Bear With Us: Could this be the momentum shift Sounders needed?
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Will Bruin is back with us to look back on the massive win over the Philadelphia Union along with some insight into the upcoming match against the LA Galaxy.
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Introduction and Hosts
00:00:17
Speaker
Welcome back to another episode of bear with us a podcast by no Saudi at this and Sandra Hart. I am Jeremiah Shannon joined by my co-host will Bruin. Welcome back. Well, how are you? How are you doing? I'm good. How are you doing?
00:00:24
Speaker
Hey this is Christian Roldan and Jordan Morris from the Seattle Sounders Football Club and you're listening to
Impact of Team's Win on Mood
00:00:32
Speaker
You know, I'm doing a lot better today than I was this time yesterday because it's amazing how much a sounder's win affects my mood. I know. That's why throughout my career, it was always don't get too high with the highs and don't get too low with the lows. I know. Easier said than done sometimes. Oh, 100%. You don't have to tell me.
Coping with Losses and Social Media
00:00:53
Speaker
So after a tough loss, were you able to just put it away and get to bed that night? Or would you be up all night scrolling your Twitter feed, seeing what people were saying? For the most part, after games, I wouldn't be asleep until like 2 in the morning just because of adrenaline and stuff. Yeah.
00:01:17
Speaker
losses you try to forget about it quick maybe you go out and grab some late night food with teammates if you're on the road or I mean it's different now with flying back right away but um back in the old days he would stay the night and you could if the mood wasn't too bad you could go grab a beer or something with some teammates and try to move on but um
00:01:38
Speaker
you try not to dwell on it. And the last thing you want to do is be scrolling through Twitter. And that's both sides, even good and bad. So when it's good, you can't be like, Oh, I'm warranted all the praise. Because when it's bad, you're warranted all the negativity as well. So it's better just to stay away from the social media for a night or two.
Players' Social Media Influence
00:01:54
Speaker
So speaking of social media, I am curious about your take on this. So Jose Martinez, who was a, he's a midfielder for the union, apparently at halftime of the game, he sent out a, he like updated Instagram stories. And it was something, you know, like some kind of insidery thing that I'm not, I don't know what's going on there, but it definitely seemed cryptic and bad. What would, what would be the react? Yeah. What would your reaction be if you were like,
00:02:21
Speaker
But I know the teammate is on social media at like, I guess he got pulled at halftime. But so what was like, why am I saying? No, it was just something about getting stabbed in the back or something like it was like something somewhat cryptic, you know what I mean? And and so it wasn't quite clear what he was clearly upset, but he wasn't it wasn't like directed at anyone necessarily. And presumably the people that
00:02:47
Speaker
know him would maybe know what it talked about. But, you know, point being, he got pulled to halftime, got on social media and made a post. What, like, has you ever, have you ever experienced something like that where a player in real time is like on social media talking about the himself or the team or whatever? Nothing that comes to mind immediately, but that's more of those things like, what are you doing? Like,
00:03:10
Speaker
Right. I remember, like, I mean, it's different these days. People are on their phone in pregame. People are on their phone up until coach's meetings before you go out for a warmup in the locker room. It's not like it used to be just being around your teammates, talking, chit-chat, and listening to music. Now it's almost like everybody's looking at their phones in their own world up until the game. But when you're emotional, the last thing you want to do is start saying stuff on Twitter.
00:03:37
Speaker
or Instagram have been there done that. So, you know, it's a double edged sword. Yeah.
Sounders' Strong Performance
00:03:45
Speaker
Yeah. Well, let's, let's get into this game yesterday. The Sounders needed this pretty badly. You know, they played well against DC. They had nothing to show for it, but there was some positive momentum. I think that came out of that second half.
00:03:59
Speaker
And they seemed like a different team, at least in the first half. They were flying up and down the field. It wasn't just that they scored three goals. They were creating chances. They just looked like a different team. They looked like a team that was almost playing with nothing to lose. What did you make of the way the centers looked in that first half?
00:04:24
Speaker
I mean, overall as a whole from that quick little road trip, that's, I think that's positive, positive road trip to come back home to. But the first half in Philadelphia, they looked good. They were flying. You could tell from the beginning they were focused. They just seemed like, all right, we're here for one reason. Here's our objective. Win this game, all business, no nonsense. And it got a little dicey towards the end of the game, but you know what? Three points.
00:04:50
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, especially for the Sounders are in no position to look three points. Like there's no, they're not in a position where they need to do deep introspection after any victory. Like they take those three points and take the positives and then try to build on those. But there's plenty of negative that you can pick out if you need to, but this is not a team that needs to be reminded of. It's now invincing it's, it's, uh,
00:05:12
Speaker
It's mortality. Yeah. And that's what I've said in previous episodes. I'm like, this team has got a lot of veterans, a lot of senior players. When it's time, push comes to shove, backs against the wall. It's like, all right, time to, no nonsense, all business. And I'm not saying backs are against the wall or anything. It's still what? May 1st or? I mean, we're getting close though. You know, Schmetzer's known for his this summer runs. So, um,
00:05:37
Speaker
there's time, but that's a really positive. Even the DC game before the red card, it was like, all right, this team looks. They're ready. They're ready. This is their focus. You can tell the sharpness is there, the crispness, and then the red card happens and they, and the DC game in there, everybody on the field is probably like, ah, here we go again. Um, but the second half of the DC game, I thought down to man, they created chances. They had opportunities to tie it up and things. So that was a positive to build on. I guarantee you in the game or the days between the two games, Schmetzer was like, Hey, let's,
00:06:06
Speaker
look at the positives. We were down a man. We controlled, maybe not controlled play, but we created a lot of chances. We created better chances. Let's use that to build into this game in Philadelphia. It's a long trip. We don't want to go home on a sour note. So it was a, I thought all in all, it was a good game. I could have put it away and start the second half, make it 4-0, take some stress out, but wouldn't be a nice, wouldn't be a nice win without some drama, right?
00:06:31
Speaker
right so you know you mentioned that you feel like it's still early and i and it is i mean it's you know whatever they're 10 games into season not yet a third of the way rue not not like early early but
00:06:43
Speaker
Yeah. Sure. What you're saying is there's still time and you can go back to, you know, you were on the sounders in 2018. You guys had this horrific start, I think it was three, nine and three, something like that. And all you had to do was go 17, two and O down the stretch. It's simple, the simple concept. It's a great business plan right there. Now, um,
00:07:06
Speaker
You know, it does the, the further it takes along into the summer, the more stressful it can get. You don't want to have to do that. Um, so the more points you can start picking up now, the better. Um, because obviously you start first third of the season was not what you expect from a Sounders team. It happens. So now it's like, all right, let's time to.
00:07:25
Speaker
Bear with us here, and like a little pun there. And let's focus on the next game
Coach Schmetzer's Job Security
00:07:33
Speaker
at hand. What's happened in the past is over. Even the Philly game, it's over with now. All focus goes to LA. So it's time to game by game at this point.
00:07:42
Speaker
So I, you know, I felt kind of bad asking the question, but I felt like it had to be asked because, you know, after the DC game, Brian, you know, Brian, I asked Brian first, like, did you get where your eyes opened is to some players who maybe need to get more run out after that game because the second half was so good.
00:08:00
Speaker
And he basically said, yeah, he's having to rethink some of his personnel decisions. And then I asked him, do you feel like you are also having to prove yourself? And are you worried about losing your job at this point? And he basically said, as long as the team isn't quitting, I feel safe in my position. And until Adrian calls me into his office and says,
00:08:22
Speaker
you know, sorry, Brian. Uh, he said
Team Dynamics and Success Strategies
00:08:25
Speaker
he felt pretty secure, but the underlying message that he was sharing was he felt like as long as the team was clearly still bought in, was still putting in the effort that he, he didn't really feel like his job was in danger. Is that a fair, is that a fair way for him to assess that you think that as long as, as long as the team is clearly bought into what he's telling them, that there's just no reason to make a change? I mean,
00:08:51
Speaker
There's no reason to, for him to veer from what's been successful through his head coaching career. So, um, he's, I would say he's almost like a creature habit. He knows what he's good at. He knows what his team's good at and he sticks to it. I mean, sometimes you like to, you don't want to, cause when you start changing formations or changing tactics too much, it gets like, they can spiral out of control quickly. So the one thing I've really respected from him over the years is he stuck to his, he sticks to his guns. He sticks to the way he wants to coach and.
00:09:26
Speaker
But to answer your question about the buy-in, yeah, because when you see players that aren't doing the extra work that kind of just give up on plays and just you can tell they don't really care, then that's a deeper question of what's really happening here. Do they not respect the coach? Do they not care what the coach is telling them? Or is it just a personal problem? That's never been an issue with the Sounders. And I think that's why they've always been successful because they
00:09:47
Speaker
You can't argue it. It works.
00:09:52
Speaker
good professionals, good people inside the locker room. And it's always a player driven team. And that's that's really important. So when he's going back and he looks at these two games, or when you look at these two games, even what are your takeaways in terms of who should be on the field? How are you making your decisions? Because it ends up being sort of a mixed bag. And one hand you had all these sort of like reserves step up in the second half of the DCU game. But it was a lot of the, you know,
00:10:21
Speaker
It wasn't in, you know, it was a lot of starters really who, who carried the day in the first half of this one. So I don't know, how do you go about, like, what do you think the appropriate balance is? How much, how much lineup juggling needs to be had? And, or maybe, maybe the message is Brian just needs to get more comfortable using his whole roster because he sometimes seems to get stuck in, well, these are my starters and I'm going to let them go as long as they can go. I agree with that. I agree with, you know,
00:10:48
Speaker
I don't want to put too much credence into the second half of the DC game because that's a team. You know, DC is DC at the end of the day and Seattle when it was 11. So I'm the first team I thought, like I said, before the Red Guard, they were on the front foot. They were controlling the game and then sometimes even when you see.
00:11:05
Speaker
you see score that first goal you can see them kind of like all right we're back level at home and then they score the second and maybe they sit back a little bit maybe that's just human nature sometimes you see it where 10 men teams end up holding on zero zero and then they get a late goal and they they sleep away when so
00:11:22
Speaker
I wouldn't take too much. In that situation, when you have 10, you want to get guys on the field that want to push and run and work and show that, hey, I want more time. So I think it was the right move. I think it was the right decision because it worked out. Guys, now they have a foot to lean on, be like, hey, look, I got a little confidence, a little pep in my step, but you got to be able to do that over weeks and months.
00:11:42
Speaker
So, um, that's what I want to see from some of the younger guys and deaf players is how can they do it every day at training to push the first team guys. Cause you know, she met says this guys, that's how it is. It's got that course been there for a long, long time. So I'm not, I'm not worried that those guys are worried. They're all of a sudden going to lose their spot. But when you get young guys coming up the pipeline and putting some pressure on you, you start looking over your shoulder a little bit. And that's what creates healthy competition and deaf and squads.
00:12:09
Speaker
And did you like, I guess, are you seeing, are you seeing anything that you feel like is that you're finding encouragement from, or on the other hand, that maybe you're, you're seeing some bad habits in terms of, you know, player rotation or whatnot?
00:12:30
Speaker
Nothing really sticks out immediately to me. I liked seeing, uh, I thought from the game last night, I thought Obed played very well in the midfield. Um, yeah. Nice little goal from him in the moment. I was like, Oh, curl it curl. And he did exactly that and put it in. So it was good on him to do that. I think if you can get players like him and you know, Cody Baker and some guys stepping up and just showing, Hey, look,
00:12:53
Speaker
your Rothrock, you put some trust in me, I'm gonna work hard off, do my best to reciprocate it. And so far it's been working, but at the same time, it's like, you don't wanna throw them to the fire too much. I mean, Obed's more of a seasoned guy than the other two, but that's what you need. You need those guys stepping up and putting in good shifts to raise everybody. It's like, what is it? A rising tide raises all boats type thing.
00:13:28
Speaker
So looking ahead to the galaxy, you just spent some time looking at the galaxy because you were you're doing stuff for Austin right now. Austin obviously had a maybe it's performance of the best performance of the season against galaxy. Galaxy where Cayman flying. Austin pitched a shutout. A really good performance. What did you see from the galaxy and what you know, how do you what do you think the sounders outlook needs to be for this one?
00:13:56
Speaker
I think I see I've been high on the galaxy all year. I think their front four is very good, but on the other side of that, the first one thing I took away from that was. In transition, so their their center backs are older. They're good position very well, but you know they don't have legs maybe so. Austin's I think it was their their second goal. Alex ring wins a ball in midfield.
00:14:21
Speaker
touch, look up, O'Brien in behind, goal. So there's a few things that I think LA is susceptible against. I think Jordan's going to be able to use this pace to get in behind. But you got to be aware of LA's front four. If you can control pain still, I think, then
00:14:36
Speaker
he's a huge factor for that front four because he's got the pace to get the end line crosses. He's a really good player. Puig is going to do what he's going to do. You know, Jovalich is out this game, luckily. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. I remember that on the broadcast. You're right. So we'll see. I don't know off the top of my head who fills in there, but Jovalich didn't play against Austin. So I think that was a big missing player for them because those wingers and
00:15:06
Speaker
They got across somebody that's going to be in the box and I think Jobelich movement in the box is very good. He just kind of rounds out that front four, but. You can be aware and control that front four. I think you can hit LA and transition for sure. Yeah, and they have this season really struggled on set pieces. Did that prop up against Austin? Um. Like any none of the goals were set pieces now, but uh.
00:15:34
Speaker
it's Austin usually like set pieces always a big component in their their games and after that game reflected on it I was like I don't think set pieces were too as were as important as they had been in previous games because I think for me LA wants everything on the ground wants everything to look pretty and and combine get goals that way but set pieces are a huge part of every game when I do my show the Verde lights here previewing components it's always I do three keys to the game it's always number three for me a set pieces so
00:16:04
Speaker
Yeah, you can't go wrong. I think somewhere I heard someone say that 35% of goals come from seven. That seems way higher than it is in reality. But that does seem high. Unless depends on how they count it, like second ball, things like that. Yeah, but you know, I don't know if you so if you're the sounders, this is their
00:16:27
Speaker
right now in the midst of a, just an absolutely brutal stretch of games. I think they have something like 11 games in 36 days, if you include potentially two open cup games. When you're going into a stretch like this, how do you manage
Managing Game Schedules
00:16:43
Speaker
that? How do you manage not just the minutes, but the emotions and how do you, you know, do you like, do you put it into smaller pieces?
00:16:52
Speaker
What's the approach when you have just this many games in such a small amount of time? It's a lot of games, yeah. A lot of guys are going to play a lot of minutes. And you said it was what, over like 30 days or something? Is that what you said? 36. Yeah, the loving game. 36 days.
00:17:08
Speaker
There's not going to, you're not going to have much time to get trainings, you know, there's going to be the guys that aren't getting as many minutes are going to be getting just the fitness part of training. So you're not going to, you're probably get a handful of like full team tactical trainings in that span. And that's tough. You're so you're going to have to be doing a lot of film, a lot of.
00:17:25
Speaker
you know in the locker room inside watching stuff and that's just as important when you're recovering because if you're playing so many minutes consecutively you're not going to be doing heavy trainings um so you're going to be trying to recover and recover mentally is probably more important than physically i think because with so many games it can add up on you mentally but here we go again here we go again here we go again especially with especially with games like filly like up 3-0 to 3-2 to have to hold on to win but um
00:17:51
Speaker
You know, at that point, you just take it one game at a time. You deal with the aftermath after the game. So Philly game, you win long road trip, get home, recover. I don't know what their schedule is today is what that is Wednesday, Wednesday, Tuesday, they probably got in at what midnight last night, West coast time. I would maybe take today off. I don't know what their schedule is, whatever you're going to say, but yeah, I'm sure they're all. But what's today? It's when the game Saturday.
00:18:21
Speaker
The game Sunday, so they have an extra Sunday, so you could you could even take Wednesday Thursday off and then come in Friday Saturday or you could just do a quick regen, not even on the field session Thursday. Have some other guys get some training. I don't know. Not gonna tell him how to do their schedule, but that's just from my experience.
00:18:37
Speaker
Well, you know, it's funny. Brian yesterday was asked about the recovery process from this game. And for the first time, he seemed really excited about all the new toys that they have in the recovery room. He's like, well, we got cold baths, and we got saunas, and we got cryo chambers, and we got all this stuff. And it was like, OK, so maybe this is why you have that stuff, right? It's for this part of the season that you have all these
00:19:07
Speaker
gadgets that are designed to help you recover faster, right? Yeah, for sure. Even my last year here at Austin, they had, I'm sure it's the same as I know Cornish would, he was asking Dave Tenney, who was the head of sports science at Austin, who was NCL, he was asking DT how the layout of the locker room was in Austin. And I don't know if they somewhat followed it, but got hypobaric chambers, cryo, hot tub, cold tub.
00:19:34
Speaker
um masseuse is like it's all it's all good stuff so if you use it it's great but you can't make everybody use it just it's up to the individual player and how they want to you know recover did you do were you a fan of all that stuff i was i'm an old school cold tub and that's maybe maybe some uh manual trees getting an old trash can with ice exactly yeah just sitting not even water just ice
00:20:05
Speaker
Yeah, I always want, I do wonder like for all the money that gets spent on some of these, these contraptions, I do wonder like how much it actually helps. I mean, I've never, I've never been in, I am obviously not a, a lead level athlete. I mean,
00:20:26
Speaker
I'm not going to lie to you and say, Oh, I felt way better the next day. I mean, cold tubs do wake you up and they get you feeling better. But like the end of the day, time is your best friend, time and nutrition, you know, it's like your body's going to do what it's going to do. Usually for me, 48 hours was when I felt the worst after a game. Um, but after you get that first little jog session in, it starts to move out.
00:20:48
Speaker
Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.
Open Cup Strategy
00:20:50
Speaker
Well, yeah, the Sounders basically have this game, and then they move into the Open Cup. What do you think the attitude should be about the Open Cup? Is it this is maybe our best chance to get into Champions League? Is this maybe our best chance at a trophy? They're one of only 18, eight MLS teams in Open Cup, so it's theoretically more wide open than it's ever been.
00:21:14
Speaker
or is it the same attitude as always with the open cup, which is, Hey, if we can get a couple of wins in it with our reserves, maybe we start our mentality changes later in the tournament. I think when's that first game? I think it's Wednesday. Oh, so like a week, a week from right away. Okay. Yeah. Um, cause I was going to say, let's see how the next few league games play out, but it's, if it's that close, I say it's the easiest, but it's one of the most
00:21:44
Speaker
paintable trophies to get because it's what, five, four or five games to win a trophy there. But I would mix and match. I don't think I would go for the big schedule coming up. I wouldn't go full first team just because of cross country flight, a lot of games, a lot of minutes. I don't think you go full on second team either. I think you sprinkle it and see what happens.
00:22:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's the it is Wednesday and it's in fact Wednesday. Did you like playing open cup games? What is your as a veteran player when you get the assignment to plan an open cup game? Are you? What's what's your mindset? I was on the whole spectrum when I was playing at the. A lot earlier in my career and stuff. Middle left my career. I was like alright, I'll play the open cup game.
00:22:37
Speaker
When I wasn't playing as many league minutes, I was like, all right, let's play open cup game. It's time to take it serious and get a win. So I think it just depends on the player and how many minutes they have under their belt in the season already and what they, what they want to achieve. But it was never like, if I had a lot of minutes and I was like, I got to play open cup, it was never like, Oh, I'm not, I'm gonna, you know, that's this off. It was never like that, but it was like, maybe you're just not as.
00:23:04
Speaker
your preparation that day isn't as turned on as it would be for a league game type thing. But as it gets further than tournament, then everybody starts to turn on a little bit more and especially now the bonuses are much bigger. It's people taking more serious.
00:23:17
Speaker
Does that play a significant part though, knowing that the, I don't know. I think one of the big questions around the Sounders has been, they insist that they take the open cup seriously. The lineups suggest that, I think reasonably, they make very reasonable lineup choices. To me, the open cup is a perfect opportunity to see, look, if we're interested in what Paul Rothrock can do, this is a great chance to see him out there.
00:23:44
Speaker
And that goes right back to what we were saying about the, you know, reserves, some guys getting less minutes, stepping up in play, it's a perfect chance for them to show. Again, hey, look, I played a lot on the road in D.C. down a man. I think I want more minutes. We'll show it here at the Open Cup.
00:24:02
Speaker
Yeah, I always wonder if you're sending almost a, like on one hand, I understand the desire to say, look, we're going to put our best team forward in this tournament, blah, blah, blah. But I also feel like there is a, like there's a, maybe almost a negative message you're sending to your team. If you say,
00:24:21
Speaker
Look, we're going to play. We know we're playing a USO championship team and we feel like we need to put our best team out there and we don't trust. Our backups to get a result in this game. Like is that a is that a genuine concern or do players not? We get that involved in the men in the kind of lineup decision making process. I don't think it. I don't think it's more like we don't trust them. I think it's more like hey, I want to make sure we win this game.
00:24:49
Speaker
uh because you know when you play other leagues lower leagues say they're gonna put their best team out there and they're gonna go 110 percent so it makes it harder it's just harder environment regardless um that's what makes those early games fun you know they're just the competition's natural it's not forced it it turns into like a more here's why i deserve to be up here type thing or other guys being like hey i deserve this my chance to
00:25:16
Speaker
show that I deserve a contract up in MLS type stuff. So it's just one of those things that sometimes maybe the younger guys aren't ready for it. Maybe they don't know how they think it's going to be a cakewalk and it never is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's I mean, these, these open cup games are fascinating.
Intensity of Open Cup Games
00:25:37
Speaker
sort of test cases because you have a group of players on the other. So the Sounders are going to be playing Louisville City. Every player in that starting lineup is someone who probably believes they belong in MLS. That's a good team.
00:25:53
Speaker
It is a good it's a very good team. It's one of the best teams in the USO Championship and the gap between the best players in USO Championship and the back of the roster players in MLS is probably never been smaller than it is now.
00:26:08
Speaker
Yeah. Like those, it's all filling out now. Cause like you could even look at back end MLS rosters and top end USL rosters and they're interchangeable. You wouldn't know. Um, so like I played with Danny Creason, he's the coach of that team. So if he knows he's been there, he's done that. He's, he's gonna, he's gonna get them. Those guys, I played with Brian Omby as a player on the team. Like these, when I was in Houston, so like these guys have been there and they know what it's like. So it's going to be a good game and that's what makes those fun.
00:26:36
Speaker
Yeah, Ray Serrano. I don't know if you remember Ray Serrano. Yeah, I did. Yeah, that's right. I remember he's there too. Yeah, he's actually got three goals so far this year for them, which is kind of a fun little... And then another player they have... I don't know. Do you remember Jake Morris? He's Aiden Morris' brother. He was in the academy. I do, yeah. He was in the academy. I think he maybe even did some first-team training when he was with the Senators. I think he came out for the preseason, yeah. Yeah.
00:27:03
Speaker
that's funny so it's like all these fun little yeah that's yeah exactly there's always fun little uh connections that there always is you know that's what makes that's what makes like i said that's what makes those games fun yeah were you uh were you what was your feeling when when you when mls first announced that they were effectively trying to pull out of the pull their first teams out of the open go um
00:27:29
Speaker
I didn't think that they would honestly, I thought there would be, I thought it was more like a chest out type move. Look at me. We're going to pull out of this. It's like, I mean, for me, it's like, if you really want to improve the game, it's like the oldest trophy. So like, I think you have to keep it around. Right. And it's just like global soccer in this country. Like, I mean, I shouldn't say global in the country, but like domestic soccer at all levels at the equal tournament. So I think that's what makes it fun.
00:27:57
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Well, I've taken up enough of your time. I appreciate you taking some time. And what do you got going on the rest of the day? You got some big yard projects you're going to take down? Well, it's getting overcast here. I think it might storm. So I've got a busy day of just hanging out in the house today. I think I'll check the mail, you know? Yeah.
00:28:26
Speaker
The life of a retired soccer player. Yeah, big decisions. Maybe some Mario Kart. Ooh. All right. Yeah. A full day. Exactly. Busy day. Busy, busy day.
00:28:39
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Well, it was a joy catching up. We are going to try to do this on a semi-regular basis, at least until you get busier and you don't have confidence anymore. Yeah, exactly. We'll do it until we don't. Exactly. Well, thanks for doing this. Bear with us. I'm Jeremiah Shan, signing off for Will Bruin, and we will catch you next time.
00:29:38
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We love you. Let's win another one!