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Speaker: My lord. My lady. Welcome to the Jeff and Sam show. I'm Jeff. And I'm Sam. How you doing Samantha?
Speaker: welcome to the jeff and sam show i'm jeff and i'm sam ah you doing samantha It's been a hard week, Jeff. Right, really hard. Seems like something out of a fucked up, like almost one of those Final Destination movies like where everything's falling to fucking shit. my God, i kind of I think I went through all the stages of grief already in a couple of days, and then I did them again. Then I got stuck on one, and then slowly went to the other one. Because Dolly died.
Speaker: I just, I still think that, yeah, I'm back in the like disbelief.
Speaker: Right. That doesn't make sense. And then like i had to I had dinner with a friend of mine on the day that she died, and when I woke up from a nap, I had all these text messages saying that she had passed away.
Speaker: I thought you were talking about the dinner afterwards. Well, so then I was like doing the ugly cry and then I thought I can't go out to dinner. Not tonight.
Speaker: But then Omar and his boyfriend, they kind of like helped me out a little bit. It ended up being a very fun time. We went to you know, my favorite little Mexican restaurant down the street. Do you love a good Mexican restaurant down the street? Where sometimes you might get the right thing.
Speaker: Sometimes you might not. But it's going to be good food and good company. It's always going to be good food. Always going to be good food. Yeah. So yeah, Dolly passed away. I've told you the story and I'll tell it again just because I love to talk about Dolly. Any reason that I can to talk about Dolly.
Speaker: was like, and i will I know I've told you this before. and probably said it on here. i don't care. I'm gonna do it again. Oh, people will be just so mad if you repeat a story about Dolly Parton. 1983.
Speaker: Good year. Little Jeff, seven, maybe it was 84, maybe I was eight, I don't know. But came in from the beach.
Speaker: ah We were like in Destin, Florida, Gulf Shores, Alabama, I don't really know. Turned on the Zenith TV, that big honking TV. and and And Dolly and Kenny were on stage. And she was...
Speaker: I do not know sequenced out, rhinestoned out, and I was like, oh, dear God, who is this magnificent being?
Speaker: Look at her, she sparkles. Right, and like 45 years later. fuck your old. She never ever, right, but she never, she was then who she is, wasn't this year, you know?
Speaker: Yeah, she was the same the entire time. And the thing that's so striking to me is that she wrote over 3,000 songs. She was a legend, an icon, a Grammy winner, um the face of country music.
Speaker: And when she passes away, the one thing that people talk about is that she was a good person. her legacy outside of music. Right. Right? She radiated kindness. She had love. She was a beautiful person.
Speaker: And it's like that right there should be the blueprint for every human being on the face of the earth. How do you want to live? Like Dolly. What would Dolly do?
Speaker: That simple. That simple. And I've got placards to say. Yeah. Because I got so many for my birthday last year. know. Wabba Dolly Doo. Oh, the one I have is from that store, Things With A Story. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. In Norway. we have Where's your um your coasters? I don't know. wolf'll find oh they're behind you. No. No. Oh, that one that one's oh, for fuck's sake. Yeah, no, but Dolly's underneath. Oh, of course. Dolly is always around. She's underneath me. She is. Oh, yeah. And also, like, she was this deeply religious person, but she didn't preach. She really lived her beliefs, right? Right, and she it was her own personal relationship. She didn't try and force on anyone, and that was one of the big, I mean, that's one of the big things, right, because...
Speaker: As a little gay eight-year-old Jeff was like, I like this sparkly lady, you know? Yeah. And... yeah Hold on. Can we do it? Yeah. I can't do it. My nails aren't on it.
Speaker: I don't know if a microphone would pick it up. I think, I mean, I heard it well. Did you I don't know if i heard it out here or in here. Yeah. But, ah yeah, no, I mean, her support for all people, regardless of their gender or sexual identity, like, and her just plainly saying, love who you want to love, like, be who you are, you know? That's just such a, you would never, that kind of goes in my mind with the same thing as, like, how you're, not coming out story went, you know? Like, that doesn't match up with what people expect from, yeah like, a little Southern Belle, you know? And then also, like, she was that to the gay community, this magnificent being to the gay community, but also she carried her roots with her. Like, she was...
Speaker: Country Smart, a hillbilly, she once said. She sang bluegrass. One of my favorite albums is The Grass Is Blue. She sang religious movie music, you know?
Speaker: But at the same time, she was all this other stuff to so many people. And like seeing Buckingham Palace and ah this person that I follow on Instagram from Africa,
Speaker: giving a tribute to Dolly. And this man that I follow on Instagram giving, he's from New Zealand. And you know, his video was simply labeled something like good as apple pie, you know?
Speaker: it It's something that, Claire claire called me out on this, but you know, it's there are very few things that can unite the world. The World Cup was one of them. And it showed the magnificent,
Speaker: nature of humans and their ability to love and be kind to others. The other thing is Dolly Parton. That's it. Like. That's the one thing everybody can agree on. Across all cultures, across countries, and there wasn't a bad thing said about her. And you can't say a bad thing about her.
Speaker: because she owned who she was. There was never anything trying to hide her, like, you know, costs a lot of money to look this cheap. like yeah That was not something that she allowed people to make fun of her for.
Speaker: And i just, you have your favorite Dolly quotes, but mine is the, if you the way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you have to put up with the rain, right? like And it's just,
Speaker: She had been through the ringer. It wasn't easy. She was broke as a child from the Smoky Mountains.
Speaker: But the way she created the life that she wanted to live and like shared it with others. And then helped other people, like the Imagination Library.
Speaker: What? She did it because her dad couldn't read. and all The community, the the proceeds from i Will Always Love You, like her building an entire strip mall in a predominantly black neighborhood.
Speaker: Like, well what a woman. um One of my favorite quotes by her is, If it's sagging, dragging, or bagging, I'm going to get it lift, tucked, or sucked. I think you said that on your birthday last year, actually.
Speaker: We were talking about getting closer to 50, and that was one of the things you kept repeating. If it's sagging, dragging, or bagging, I'm going to get it lift, tucked, or sucked. And she would always say it's hard to be a diamond in a rhinestone world, but damn, she made it look easy.
Speaker: She was literally a diamond in a rhinestone world. And it's just a little less sparkly. But like Lena said when we were texting, her she said, um I'm grateful for what she gave us.
Speaker: The legacy that she has left is one that will persist. yeah and And very few people can say that. You know, things last for a little while after people die, but yeah this is transcending generations. And usually when a famous person dies, you're you're like, oh, hu wow That's disappointing. Yeah. Or, you know, that's, well, I remember that movie or I remember that song, but she's so much more than that, at least to me. And then, hell, I was grieving and I was crying and I was like, damn, i don't, like, this is not normal. I didn't even personally know her.
Speaker: and i called dad on that night. And I was like, dad, i don't even know her. And yeah I was like, it was, like you know, long time ago when i started when I fell in love with her and he started laughing. And I'm like, what the hell are you laughing at? Like Dolly died. This is insane.
Speaker: he's like, I'm just laughing because you were just so obsessed with her hair and her fingernails in the 80s. And I was like, okay, that's fair. I started laughing so hard. Laughing through tears. Favorite emotion? That's my favorite emotion.
Speaker: Yeah, no, that was... I was at work, as you know, and again, everyone loves Stolly. So I'm at work, and in between patients that I'm triaging, I'm like... And then a patient comes in, I have to like wipe my tears to get out. My eyes are red. And Trishy and Felicia look back at me and go, Sam, are you actually crying? And I was like, of course I'm crying. And they were like, I mean, we love her too, but...
Speaker: You don't know her, what's happening here? But apparently a lot of people felt the way we felt. Because it was, i love also a thing that happened is the social media algorithm that I have was flooded. it was like a reset, a reset of nothing but goodness that I would see, including the video last night of the little boy dancing to nine to five. Oh oh my God, that brought me so much happiness. What was he like, 12, 10? Maybe yeah younger, but you have to find a way to repost that officially so that people can understand what I'm about to say.
Speaker: So Jeff and I sometimes will dance before we start the show. And obviously he's sitting in his chair across the table from me, so I only see his upper body. ah But the way that little boy is dancing in this video is the way Jeff dances in his chair. So I don't see the legs, and I've never seen Jeff really get after it on the dance floor, but way that he was dancing. It's all about the arms. And the shoulders. And the He even like...
Speaker: grabbed boobs. you know It was just like, it was me yes in 1983. Yeah. Seriously, like that was, and ah what did it say? it said, find out who you are and do it on purpose. Yes. That was a Dolly quote. That's a Dolly quote, yeah. And it said and he was he said, so this is me being...
Speaker: like unconditionally myself for minutes. Boom, and it's also his parents loving that little boy for being his unconditional self. And what a good lesson, so many lessons and you know. Opportunities to change the way we interact with the world around us. I wish, I wish it would do that to people.
Speaker: One step at a time. Yeah. I did donate to Imagination Library. As did I. Yes, you did. We did that, and I think everybody should. You know what? I'll leave that little link in the show notes. Yeah. And, you know, even if it's just a dollar, like, it's just such an incredible program.
Speaker: Like, 350 million books worldwide she's given out, or that organization's given out. Just, yeah, free books to kids. It's imaginationlibrary.com, but I'll put the link in the show notes. Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, damn it. We live in a world without Dolly physically. that So, you know, RIP is rest in peace, right? In searching for one of my stories, um, one of the things was, um,
Speaker: Rest in paradise. And I just think that that's that's more Dolly. Not rest in peace. She's going to keep on going. You know? Yeah. Always. She left so much in the interviews. So many interviews. She was in in our face all the time in a good way. In a positive way. Yeah.
Speaker: Somebody asked her something about... a political person one time it was something bad the political person did and she said well I'm not going to answer that because I am a showgirl and I've learned to shut my damn mouth and if you ask me any more of those hard questions I'm going to tell you where to stick it.
Speaker: And I thought, wash what a woman. What a woman. And the looks, all of the look, it was just a smoke screen because she knew what she was doing. She did. She's a very smart person. really smart. And I think she used that. This is the thing that I think is so amazing about Dolly because I do...
Speaker: Stories about strong women all the time. you do love a good strong woman. This is why. i mean, she epitomized that because in the 60s and 70s, she knew that the way for her to become big was to be way that didn't intimidate men, didn't off-put men. And whatever that had to be, she did that.
Speaker: She did it well. You know? ah yeah I think her laughter, you know? Like that kind of high-pitched tinkle, like giggle. yeah What a sound. she And this is important for me. Like she never changed her accent.
Speaker: There was never a moment where she sounded any differently than she did and that 1983 thing that i saw on TV or those interviews from the 60s or 70s. She had the same accent. And a lot of people will...
Speaker: kind of modify their accent to sound less hillbilly. he says in quotes. Yeah, because i don't, you know, that's not a bad thing. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. i'm yeah I love, I'm from Alabama. I mean, most of my people are hillbillies.
Speaker: And ah she never felt the need to change that, you know? Yeah, I think it's it's part of that um kind of ingrained shame that people feel because sometimes idiots and ignorant people associate a southern, like a deep southern or country accent with lower intelligence, which is just idiotic, right? Because it has nothing to do with fuck all. And she didn't feel the need to make other people feel comfortable or change who she was to make them respect her more. She lived that way. Right.
Speaker: And um Barbara Walters asked her, would I think that you were hillbilly? And she's like, yeah, probably, but I don't look at that as a bad thing, you know? And then she said, ah that the interview was kind of, i don't think people thought much about it back then in the 90s when she interviewed Dolly, but she said, she asked her something about her looks, right?
Speaker: Like, you don't have to look like that. And Dolly's response was something like, it's a choice that i do you know. and then i think in a very Dolly way, yeah back at Barbara, she said, I would never stoop so low as to try to dress fashionably. That's the easiest thing you could do.
Speaker: Don't get defensive. Don't be mean. Factual. Yeah. Yeah, just just say it factually. Classy broad, classy broad. 300 million books gifted since inception.
Speaker: That imagination library. 300 million.
Speaker: Well, and Nashville International Airport is being renamed to Dolly Parton. Yeah. Everything. Everything is...
Speaker: Yeah. I love seeing it. Yeah. Love seeing it. Legacy. of What else has happened this week? I don't even know. Tim Curry died. Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Oh, my God. And Peter Cullen. a It was a very bad week. Yeah. Nobody ever told me the part about turning 50. Seriously, this is a real thing.
Speaker: that nobody This is a shocker to me. That all of the people from your childhood would start dying off when you turn like when you are fortunate enough in your life to become 50.
Speaker: One thing is the people that you looked up to as a child start to pass away. i don't even Here's the thing, though. is I've been worried about that for the past 10 years. Yeah.
Speaker: you know, you're seeing even more than 10 years, obviously, but you know, Whitney Houston dying, Michael Jackson dying, like Prince dying. This whole, there was this whole thing that I started feeling where I was like, wait a second, I don't like getting older.
Speaker: People are dying, what's happening? And now, like, this hit this week hit hard. Yeah. And I didn't even have to make it to 50 for that. It's not going to get easier. it's not, because then, you know, you've got to protect all the people. And I know there's posts all out there about, like, who we need to, like, put in bubble wrap and protect from 2026. She was one of them. She was, like, number one on the list. She was. But, like, now it just means that the rest of them, like...
Speaker: When Morgan Freeman dies, who's going to narrate the world? You know? That's true. And share. What? I'm just saying. We can't even. My brain will bust open and fall out of my head right now you that. We need to protect them.
Speaker: Do you think if we just like ran up to Cher on the street and just put bubble wrap around her? We're protecting you from death. we're not crazy. We're just protecting you. You can't die.
Speaker: do you think she'd be scared? I think maybe if we made it through her bodyguards, she would maybe laugh about it. This is for your own good, as we throw her down and bubble wrap her. we would never throw her down. We would gently lay her. We would gently lay her down. On a padded sidewalk. You know what, Sam? You jump on her, throw her down. I'll be on the ground to block her fall. I will gently catch her as she's coming down toward you. Okay. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah.
Speaker: I like this plan. Cher, we love you. It's only out of love. You've got to stick around, girl. You've got to stick around. yeah Okay. we move on? Okay, now that we've planned to. I've got chills.
Speaker: attack Cher and throw her down in bubble wrapper. To keep her safe. so Only for her safety. and ours, okay. I'm so nervous, I'm spinning coasters around in my hand right now.
Speaker: ah I can't, I can't do. I can't do. Well, let's, um, it's just, let's cheers and move on from death. Okay.
Speaker: Uh, cheers, queers, and cheers to Dolly. Cheers, queers, and cheers to Dolly. Let's be diamonds and a rhinestone. I don't think I could ever be a diamond. I'm just rhinestones.
Speaker: What are you looking at me like that for, Sam? I'm all rhinestones. Bitch, you are a diamond. and no No diamond. Dolly was a diamond. I'm merely... You're a little teeny tiny diamond. She was like an 18 carat.
Speaker: she You're like a half a carat. I'm like a 0.1. Mostly You're not allowed to judge your own... Mostly cubic zirconium. Okay. So you're a large diamond that's fake. Except for a very small part, which is real diamond. Okay, perfect. I'll take it.
Speaker: Mostly rhinestone. Okay. She's giving me the look of death. Like the death stare. just does want slap you upside the head, give style. Just bubble wrap me first. Okay.
Speaker: And then I'll run because you will come after me. Right. was no then you will get your to send me a text That is so fantastic. ah The other day, okay. He was so jazzed to do that. That was amazing. ah But like the other day i went to Annapolis, my family was in town.
Speaker: Went to Annapolis, came home. It was like a ah good long day, right? We were outside and came home. And when I come into this place, i my shirt goes in one direction.
Speaker: My clothes just go everywhere. They fall wants. I want them off of me, and I want to be cold. you know So I turn the air down. And i did all that. I told Dad last night. I was like, I throw it all everywhere except for on the TV because I'm about to watch TV. Right? i got to save the TV. Right? i don't care about anything else. And then i get a text that said, are you coming to the fire pit?
Speaker: And I was like, thought it was you. And and i was I was set to say, Sam, you know me, i am done for the day. And then the next text said, it's Everett, by the way.
Speaker: And so i was like, well, I can't say no to him. So, yeah, because you had sent me, because I had sent you the picture of the fire pit, and then you responded within i'll minute, and you were like, oh, say hi to them. And then you said, I'm literally just now coming back into Virginia. And at that, I knew. knew. That was my way of saying to you. And I wasn't going to push it. Uh-huh.
Speaker: And then Everett kept asking, because i like, walked up. to the house for something. And they I guess they all just thought I was going to get you. And so when I came back alone, they were all like, eh, but where's Jeff? And I was like, oh my God.
Speaker: So I just handed over my phone and I said, you know what? He was gonna text you. And then i said, make sure he knows it's you. Yeah, and then I said, do you want me to come over Everett? And he said, yes.
Speaker: And I said, make sure you're, or can you ask your dad to play Dolly for me when I get there? Dolly was playing when I got there. What song was playing? Oh god, I don't remember. it was a lot, it was a lot, oh, it was the Islands in the Stream, you're right.
Speaker: one of her best. But then but i think they only wanted me to come so they could jump out and scare me. Probably. Which is fair. Which is fair.
Speaker: So we share locations. Yeah. and And on the Apple, for those of you who don't know, like I can click on this little map in Jeff's contact information and I can track his movements and I can like, as he's driving down 95 or whatever, like I can see him moving.
Speaker: But um when you leave it on this screen, like you have to refresh it every once in while. So I told him, I was like, oh yeah, he said he's coming. ever You had texted Everett and said you would be there in 30 minutes. So,
Speaker: As soon as they heard that, all of the kids jumped up and they were like, we're going to scare him. And Ashley and Nick and I were like, just calm down. like he's It's going to be 30 minutes. like You don't have to go right now. So then they kept asking me, where is Jeff? Where is Jeff? So they all go and they change into all black clothing. okay Because they wanted to blend in with the... kimmie or Gabby even took her shoes off because they were white and silver. And she was like, I didn't want him to see me. i was like, okay.
Speaker: She did great. So I'm tracking his location and I hadn't refreshed it. So it said... that you were still 18 minutes away, and I was like, damn, this man's like stuck in traffic. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: And then it refreshed and i was like oh my God, he's here. Cause I thought it said one minute, but it said one mile. So the kids get up and scatter and like are losing their minds. And I was like, oh, he's still nine minutes away.
Speaker: So they all just stayed. Debbie was so proud of herself. Oh my God. Yeah. She was so proud. She still had the bright shoes on though. Or maybe she changed back into them. She changed back Because when she said, follow me down to the fire pit, she's like, follow my shoes. ah I followed her shoes.
Speaker: Little pitter-patter shoes. Down to the fire pit. Yeah. Yeah, they that that just totally, it makes their day. Oh, good. i got a I'm going to dress up for Halloween. I figured out my costume. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker: Remember. I'm not saying anything else because, you know, somebody will listen. There are spies among us. Spies everywhere. everywhere. Nothing is safe. No. I re-watched that show, um Black Dove, last night.
Speaker: that one we've talked about? British spy show. Oh! I don't think we've talked about it. I thought we had. There's a woman in it and I can't think of any of their names, but she's British and I didn't know it.
Speaker: Okay, Black Dove. ah Yeah, look up and see what her name is because it is so good and then one of the, he's not a spy, he's like ah an assassin, is gay.
Speaker: And it's a very like open show. I don't know, it's kind of a fun show. It's a little bit funny. I know, I can't think of her name, and you're you're you're judging me so hard right now. I'm not.
Speaker: I'm not. I'm not. What's her name? I'm not. It's fucking Kara Knightley. Yeah, Kara Knightley. It's Kara fucking Knightley. I couldn't think. She's such a lesbian icon. She's not lesbian, but she's like...
Speaker: Lesbians are like, well, duh. Have you seen the show? No. Well, then why haven't you seen the show? I don't know. don't sleep. It's so i good. I don't eat. work all the time. I build furniture.
Speaker: We work all the time except for chosen hours. Correct, which I have done. And you would have been so freaking proud of me, Jeffrey, because I did. I had this whole list written out, and I was just about to snap a photo and send it to...
Speaker: Claudia. And I'm like walking away from where the calendar or the schedule is. I was like, oh no. i walked right back. And I was like, I have to set aside time.
Speaker: And I did. I fucking, I readjusted those hours and I was like, oh. yeah So yay, we have official times that we're going to record now. We do. We're going to become professional one day. Ugh.
Speaker: Never. never Indeed. Okay, and so for the stories this week, oh yeah Sam decided she would write a novel for her story. i did an accidental long story. And we only have ah just a limited amount of time to record, so I'm going to do a story.
Speaker: But then I'm also going to do one next week, and you're going to do one, we decided, maybe a small one. Yeah, maybe a small one. Because the one i have next week is kind of fitting for the time. so He's so cryptic about that. It drives me fucking batshit.
Speaker: I know I'm going to love it, but like i it took me everything not to Google yesterday. It's right in your face. But I just have to tell you that because it's important that I tell you that I do have a plan for next week for the story.
Speaker: Yeah. That's all. It's right my face. That's all. I hate it. I hate it so much. And the story that I have today, so it's just going to be me today.
Speaker: oh darn. Oh, darn. It's just me today. It's like, yeah it's kind of bad. I wish I had, see, this is why we need to record video. It's kind of bad. Dolly, I love you.
Speaker: Please forgive me. oh But it's what we do, right? We just tell stories. And it is a story worth telling. Okay, I'm so intrigued. You're very uncomfortable. Well, I mean, what's my favorite kind of story? Survivor. Yes, okay. Strong woman. Nah, we're gonna go with a strong man this week. Whoa! Yeah, yeah, he's pretty awesome.
Speaker: Okay, so it's almost the end of rabbit hunting season in Virginia, and two hunters were out in the woods in the middle of nowhere near Dismal Creek.
Speaker: in Southern Virginia. We've done Desmal Creek before when the two men were running from the appalachians or Appalachian serial killer. Remember? The killer, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: ah That was down at Dismal Creek. Yeah. Yes. Dismal Creek, Dismal Hollow, yeah, yeah. It's somewhere down south, like Roanoke. Yeah, mean, I've driven past it more times than can count. So you where it's at. I do. Okay, well. And every time I go, dismal.
Speaker: Appropriate. Yeah. They started, these two men that were hunters of rabbits, started screaming. They heard, like, this screaming in the woods close to where they were hunting.
Speaker: And at the time, they could like hear the screams, but they couldn't figure out where the screams were coming from. It's like echoing, yeah And the screams were growing louder and louder. And they searched and they searched, and they found a metal door built into the ground in the woods where the screaming was coming from.
Speaker: They opened the door with their guns drawn. That's the only way to do it. But the screams were coming from 13-year-old boy who had been trapped in the box.
Speaker: The box had been constructed for hunting, for deer hunting, so that was the purpose of the box. But it's held this 13-year-old boy for the last eight days.
Speaker: But, bright note here, this is the survival story of Paul Martin Andrews. Oh, it's so, he's amazing. So like my sources, morbidology.com, that's an article by Emily Thompson, Medium.
Speaker: What? An article goal called The Boy in the Box by M. Vandenbos, and there's a show called lost and Lost, then Found, season one, episode one. And Survived.
Speaker: I Survived. So it's a cold winter afternoon on the 11th of January, 1973 in Portsmouth, Virginia. just smell It's spelled Portsmouth, Virginia, but it's Portsmouth, Virginia. Thank you for specifying that. For those of us who don't know. Yeah, I figured you didn't know, you know, being as that you're from this area. It was a snow day for local schools. 13-year-old Martin Andrews was walking to the convenience store to pick up some milk.
Speaker: He was about three blocks away from his home when he was approached by a man driving a blue Ford van. Fucking vans. Fucking vans. bet the windows. But he really switched it up. It was blue, not white. It was white. Fuck. He pulled up alongside Martin and offered him some cash if he would help move some furniture at his brother's home.
Speaker: Now, the man identified himself as Pee Wee, and his real name was Richard Osley. Why did he identify himself as Pee-wee? That's fucking creepy. maybe I don't know, to be less like... What? Scary to a 13-year-old boy.
Speaker: but Martin... I guess in the 70s, that's probably not. Okay, okay. Martin agreed, and he hopped in. Now, Martin probably also assumes Osley is a neighbor, and it's going to be just a quick job.
Speaker: But Osley merges onto the interstate. So Martin's definitely starting to get like a nervous vibe from him. And then Martin sees like a knife in the door, a big knife.
Speaker: So now he's even more nervous. And they ended up driving about 15 miles away. As they stopped on a dirt road near Dismal Swamp, Osley was upset to discover that there was a locked chain across the road.
Speaker: He explained to Paul that they would walk the short distance through the woods and collect the key in his brother's deer box to unlock the chain. ah As they approached the deer box, Osley told Paul that it was a built underground so that his brother could hide there while hunting deer.
Speaker: The underground box was made of plywood and it was about four feet high and four feet wide and eight feet long. So Osley lowered himself into the box and then he asked Martin to follow him.
Speaker: He said he needed him to help lift out some supplies. Once Martin was inside of the box, Osley said, quote, I've got bad news for you. You've just been kidnapped.
Speaker: Oh, what a dick. And he did that with the 12 inch knife, like held to him. So he told Martin to strip naked, lie on his, trigger warning, sexual assault ahead.
Speaker: Okay. So he told Martin to strip naked, lie on his stomach inside the box. He slathered him with Vaseline and then he sexually assaulted him. This was Martin's routine for the next eight days.
Speaker: In addition to the sexual assaults, Martin was beaten by Osley. His eyes were both blackened, his nose and his tooth were broken, and Martin tried to engage in conversation with Osley, hoping that this would alleviate the sexual assaults, but it didn't really help that much. It did help a little bit.
Speaker: um Just on the first day, Martin was sexually assaulted four times, and over the next eight days, he would be sexually assaulted 12 times. The box had been constructed by Osley and his brother, who was a carpenter, and Martin was allowed out of the box occasionally so that they could cook some food.
Speaker: He was threatened to not try to run and away, run away and at one point, Osley even threatened to hang Paul from a tree with a chain and beat him. Martin would later say that there were times when Osley treated him decently and said that they had campfires and explored the woods.
Speaker: They sat by campfires and they explored the woods. He also said, this is Martin, he said, I was afraid he was going to kill me. you just never knew what was going to set him off.
Speaker: aussley Osley actually gave Martin a choice. The choice was for Osley to free Martin and let Martin go home, and Martin would make a promise never to tell anyone what happened.
Speaker: Or he would tie Martin up, and Osley, being the piece of shit that he would ah was, would run away and let Martin escape on his own. In the end, Osley tied Martin up with the chains, like connected to a metal...
Speaker: Like a hook in the wall? Yeah. And one of the psychologists i and I watched on YouTube said that Martin had done such a good job humanizing himself to Osley.
Speaker: Osley probably thought about killing him, but Martin was too much of a human now. That's that thing that occasionally these survivors do is they, whatever it takes, Yeah, whatever it takes.
Speaker: So, Osley probably thought about killing Martin, but in the end, he just tied him up. And it could have been that Osley wanted Martin to die by the elements. Yeah. Right? Because what he did was so bad.
Speaker: What Osley did was so bad. On the eighth day, two rabbit hunters stumbled across the box and they heard Martin's screams. At the time, Osley was away from the box, so Martin took his chance at freedom.
Speaker: He was one of the people, the men said, he was screaming and he was hollering and we just jumped out of the truck and we ran up there. Finally, Martin was rescued. The two hunters called the police and when the police arrived, they photographed Martin still chained in the box.
Speaker: Like they didn't untie the boy first or unchain him or get him out of the box. Like they photographed him the way he was in the box. Black eyes, broken nose, you know, beaten up.
Speaker: And chained to a fucking plywood box yeah underground. Yes. And so those are the pictures that you can see now. Yeah. And you see them in the show that I watched. Like yeah Martin talks about this. It's so amazing to hear him tell his story.
Speaker: A rescue squad was called, and they needed bolt cutters to free Martin. He was taken to Oversee Memorial Hospital, where his mom, Ann Weatherby, was working as a nurse. Aww.
Speaker: His mom later said, quote, he looked filthy, exhausted, but he was excited. Paul couldn't remember much about the reunions with his siblings back home, but his younger sister Jennifer said his eyes were blackened, his nose was black, blue and swollen. The bruises, lots of bruises, but most of all it was the look in his eyes. It wasn't the boy that I knew anymore.
Speaker: Osley was quickly apprehended and picked out of a lineup by Martin. Martin immediately picked him. His real name was Richard Alvin Osley, and he was a repeat offender.
Speaker: On the day he abducted Martin, Osley had been scheduled to appear in a Portsmouth courtroom on a sodomy charge which involved a 14-year-old boy, a boy that Osley had also left in the woods.
Speaker: At the time, Osley had also been on parole for the 1961 abduction of a 10-year-old boy who he had held hostage, sexually assaulted, and then also left in the woods. Osley was found guilty of a abduction and sodomy and sentenced to 48 years in prison.
Speaker: I mean, but, like, what about his other offenses? Crazy, right? Insane. ah Talk about where the system keeps failing somebody. This is like the girl that the neighbor abducted her and kept her in the box. And that was in the South. And it was the same thing. He was also like they were going to serve her. And he lived right next to her. And no one fucking thought to look.
Speaker: It's crazy. It's crazy that there's more than one of those stories. Right? there's And I know another one. Yeah. There's another story I know. But in the aftermath of the ordeal, Martin suffered substantially. People loved him and people supported him, but nobody wanted to talk about it. It's like the good old, let's push it under the rug and let's never talk about this because that will make Martin worse. Yeah. Which is not the case, right? One man from his church, though, Troy Tippin, he volunteered for a week doing aerial searches by helicopter.
Speaker: Martin turned to drugs and alcohol, as one might do, and the only person who wanted Martin to talk about Martin's experience was Troy Tippin. That meant a lot to Martin.
Speaker: Later on in the video, he said that that was one of his saving graces. This meant so much to Martin, and Troy knew that he was that the only way that Martin was going to get through this was talking about it.
Speaker: But his parents, they got him into counseling before. That's good. But then he was briefly sent to a psych hospital. where he's in there with really mentally unwell people, which is probably not the right place for him.
Speaker: Here he informed a doctor that he was afraid of being left alone with any man, man including his father. Martin knew this fear was irrational, but his traumatic experience had left him very scarred.
Speaker: Over time, Paul began to heal and slowly began to trust people again. After graduating from high school, he moved to Fort Lauderdale. He met friends, he got settled in. And in 1980, Martin met a man named Mark in a club and began dating him, and they were together for 41 years.
Speaker: Yeah, right? Mark knew that Martin had a story, and he figured that when Martin wanted to tell him, he would tell him. They never talked about it.
Speaker: So Martin was still at a place in his life where he just wasn't sharing that awful, dark secret with people. Yeah, I mean, that's, like, like if he's he if he's gone through the processing and he has healed himself in that way, like, bringing it up as, like, dinner table conversation, like hey, let me just tell you about this thing. Yeah.
Speaker: I don't think that that's a, I don't think that that's,
Speaker: like an unhealthy thing. I think it's not everybody needs to Whatever you gotta do, whatever you gotta do, right? Martin would not go public with his terrifying story until 2002 when Osley was up for mandatory parole.
Speaker: Martin looked for a way to keep him locked up longer, and at the time the state legislature had passed a law which would have kept Osley locked up for longol called the longer called the Civil Confinement.
Speaker: The Civil Commitment of Sexual Predators Act was signed into law in 1999, but it didn't have any funds. the law only The law allowed for violent, predatory sexual offenders who are found to still be a danger to be committed to an institution following their imprisonment.
Speaker: But these laws were not going to be in effect until 2004. So, Martin... so martin It's like, no, no, no, no. He goes public. And he starts sharing his story with the world.
Speaker: He goes to the parole board, and he graphically shares his story with the parole board. He goes to Virginia lawmakers, and he goes to the media. Virginia then allocated funds to the civil confinement program.
Speaker: That's what it took? Right. But Osley said... that he was no longer a threat to anybody. Oh, he's fully reformed. Oh, my God. He deserved to be paroled. He stated that, quote, I know I'm in here for some very bad charges, but my past is in the past, and that is where it's going to stay.
Speaker: I've got too much going for me out there, too much work to look forward to Paul, however, strongly disagreed with this, and he said, quote, this man is a monster. He preys on children. This is someone who raped and kidnapped and beat a child who was 13 years old and buried him in the ground and left him to die.
Speaker: Following the announcement regarding Osley's possible parole, Virginia Attorney General Kilgore urged that state funds be found to try to keep violent sexual predators behind bars.
Speaker: His office pushed hard for funding, and in December it was announced that Governor Mark Warner's budget proposal included money for the new law in 2004. Just several months later,
Speaker: Osley wrote a letter from behind bars to the Richmond Times dispatch apologizing for what he had done to Martin. He said there are no words to express the remorse, but blab blah, blah, blah, blah. I also acknowledge that Mr. Andrews is victim, as was a victim of a man who desperately needed treatment. I sincerely apologize to Mr. Andrews and his family for the pain and suffering I've put them through because of my inappropriate behavior or poor judgment.
Speaker: Piece of shit. In May, Osley appeared in court again where he was to face charges of forcible sodomy of Gary Founds. Gary was just 14 years old in 1972 and he was sexually assaulted by Osley.
Speaker: Gary had never come forward until he saw Paul, or Martin, on TV. He said he thought it was too late to come forward. But there is no statute of limitations on such crimes in Virginia,
Speaker: and Osley pleaded no contest, and then he was given an additional five years in prison. Gary said that he kept his secret his entire life, that is, until he heard Martin talking about it, and that gave him the courage to tell his own story.
Speaker: In January 13th of 2004, Osley is strangled to death by his cellmate. As it goes, his cellmate was sexually assaulted as a child, and he warned prison guards not to assign him as not to assign him a pedophile as a cellmate.
Speaker: Maybe the guards didn't listen, or maybe they did listen. maybe the Maybe the jail was just over full, and it was no intentional act, and they just had nowhere else to put him. Maybe. Uh-huh.
Speaker: But Martin, being the better person, said, nobody deserves to be murdered, and I did not hate that man. And that is the heroic survival story of Paul Martin Andrews.
Speaker: Full of grace, that man. It's just amazing to watch him tell his own story. Damn. Yes. In the show, Lost, Then Found, he like walks to the place where it all happened.
Speaker: Yeah. Oh, oh. That's some good therapizing. Yeah.
Speaker: Wow. 40 years later.
Speaker: ah thanks. It was a very good story. Worth telling. i and just skeeved out. Yeah. It's skeevy. I just... This was like, honestly, this was the last minute, like, I've gotta have a story because the story there was, we were gonna record Friday night and I had written another story.
Speaker: That's worse than this one? It's just so much worse. Well, this is, it's apples and oranges, but it's also very graphic. I mean, I need to fucking hear it. Violent. And then I thought, you know, I'm going to not do that one because it was too much. And then I did this one.
Speaker: I'm broken. Something inside of me is broken. That's okay. As you hold your dolly coaster clutch to your chest. I can't let it go. That's okay. I'll never let it go.
Speaker: Dolly. Dolly. Be a diamond in a rhinestone world. Or in a world full of Jolene's be a dolly. Oh, fuck yeah. Have you seen those posts that are like, this was definitely that bitch Jolene. We're coming for you, Jolene. but Okay.
Speaker: Well, way to go. Paul Martin Andrews. What? I mean, damn. it It makes you think about the strength of others and what would you do in those situations, right? It really does. I mean, they survived and he is literally in 2025 telling in his story. Well, and you think about... It's incredible. But those two hunters, too. like When you started telling that, like my immediate thought was, the fuck? I'm not following screams. It's part of my horror movie rules. You don't follow the screams. Sam, you say that.
Speaker: But if we were in the woods and there was screaming... Fuck. I would run to it, wouldn't i And if it sounded like a woman or it sounded like a kid, yeah we both would be like,
Speaker: Damn it, man. We've got to go. True. We would have to. I'll get my tool bag from the truck first. Because bolt cutters. Why did the police not have bolt cutters? Right.
Speaker: Fuck. They took, ah yeah. Yeah. This is a very like 1970s thing for them to do. oh Yeah. Let's leave him tied up and take those pictures of him. I mean, I guess. After he's been traumatized. At least evidence though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one thing is that they had photographic evidence of how he was.
Speaker: and could use that as like the nail in the coffin. And because of Martin and because of Gary, the other person who was a kid that was abducted from him, dude never saw the light of day again. And the other prisoner was like, look, I was molested as a child. And I told you. Don't put him in the cell with me. it Good for him. I didn't say that out loud.
Speaker: Killed him. Killed him. which I have a random question for you. I'm just going to throw this out there hypothetically for you to think on. Don't answer it right away. Okay.
Speaker: The concept of chemical castration for pedophiles. And that's all I'm going to say. Think about that. Okay. um What is that like?
Speaker: a pill? a shot, yeah. Or a shot that they would take that would... It decreases their sex drive. It makes it so that they're impotent. I just, I do have a thought about that. i know you do.
Speaker: Like, don't know, I feel like that doesn't really matter. i feel like, um, like you, just because you make that not work, they're still evil.
Speaker: You know what mean? Oh, yeah. Doesn't, You're asking me this for a reason. I am. i see it on your face. I am. You can castrate them all you want. You can physically castrate them. Not that that's right or legal or, you know, I'm just the issue? It's in their brain, yeah it's in their brain. like that He would have still found a way to lock Martin in that box. and there's other ways to sexually assault someone. Right. like It doesn't matter. So it's that's also...
Speaker: Probably cruel and unusual and not legal, right? I don't know that. It is something that in some places it is illegal. um And it is discussed frequently in terms of the rehabilitative possibilities for oh yeah yeah sexual criminals.
Speaker: um But it's one of those things where, like you said, The problem, as many jokes as we make about dudes thinking with their dicks, that's not where their brain is. That's not where the brokenness is. So, yeah.
Speaker: Did you see that, do you know Perez Hilton? Yeah. He was apparently, i don't know if this is just a rumor, but like he was he went to a hospital recently for psychosis.
Speaker: Huh. And he cut off his Penis. This was On purpose? Anjami's... Who's the woman that we heard? Yeah, Dr. Anjami. Dr. Anjami. This was on her Instagram. I saw this. They were discussing this. He was in psychosis and he cut his penis off.
Speaker: Did they re-attention? I don't know. Can you? Yeah. Haven't you seen Grey's Anatomy? Bobbit. Yeah, you can. Yes. Yes. yes You can. You can indeed. Let's get his reattached. Yeah, he did. Yeah.
Speaker: Okay, well we started that one on a high note and we devolved. That's okay. Interesting. Yeah. I gotta to look that up now. Yeah. One of my favorite Instagrams, as you She's amazing. I'm so glad she was at that convention.
Speaker: Hers was... Yeah. I mean, you're keeping up with the Mangione thing and him pleading guilty and all that kind of stuff? did he please So he's pled not guilty? No, he pled guilty. Oh, guilty. Yeah. Wow. yeah there's there's been August has been a fuck of a month. I'm telling you. There's been some shit.
Speaker: And then the Clancy trial, are you keeping up with that? I'm not, I'm not keeping up with that at all. Don't, don't. It'll just drive you bonkers. And honestly, Brittany, it's your fucking fault that I'm invested in it.
Speaker: So has the jury came back with a verdict yet? As of this morning, they hadn't. Oh, what do you think it'll be?
Speaker: I don't think that it will be... is this is This is my opinion. My opinion as the, um you know, super sleuth detective courtroom lawyer police officer that I am from all of my show watching, you know.
Speaker: um The whole court system, right, is... is must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Things have been convoluted because of her supposed confession...
Speaker: um But if you pay attention to the witnesses that they have called and what is being said and just the fucking facts and evidence, this So what is the question here? The question is whether she did it because of psychosis or whether she...
Speaker: So so they are they are trying to determine if she is guilty of first-degree murder, manslaughter, or not guilty by reason of insanity because of the postpartum depression. So she is not... This is...
Speaker: You know what? You should. Look at the facts of the case. I just really go into it thinking psychosis because of Andrea Yates. That's what it reminds me of. I don't know anything about this case though, yeah but I just think about Andrea Yates. yeah but And I think about the people that we know and that we've seen having postpartum psychosis.
Speaker: Yeah, but you need to look at the the facts and the evidence. yeah It's insane. It's insane that they managed to make it to this point.
Speaker: Because simple things like police not testing the clear pill residue that was in the cup and why were her pills that she hadn't been taking for weeks in his car but somehow a massive dose of it was in her system. Hmm.
Speaker: Wow. The math doesn't math in so many different ways. And it's, I like... You should rabbit hole the fuck out of this and look at all of the things because she the option is not on the table for her to just be found not guilty, which I think is absolutely fucking bonkers based on everything that's out there.
Speaker: Allegedly. she is going to suffer more than she already is. mean, she's paralyzed. Her kids are gone. And she's either going to go to jail or go to a psych fucking ward for the rest of her life.
Speaker: Wow. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker: It's fucking crazy. So, waiting for the verdict. Which will be soon. Yeah, hopefully. Because they're... I mean, it's been three days. Deliberating. Yeah.
Speaker: But, like, the ju jury also wasn't sequestered. Like, that's insane to me, too. Yeah. And like, yeah, sure, Judge, you can ask all you want and plead very kindly. Hey. Don't watch TV. Don't at news.
Speaker: Don't talk to any anyone. The fuck? Yeah. Wow. All right, Sam. All right, Jeffrey. Should we end this? Give me one good story.
Speaker: Like a fact. Something good. We're going to lighten that. Oh, yeah. A fact. Something happy. What is something happy? Thank you. I got this for you. Okay, thank you. Because you know I find those, yeah follow all of those like good news from around the world things.
Speaker: So, let's talk about the good news from...
Speaker: Because also, the king of Norway passed away. He did. And he made them all feel very safe, and they loved him so much.
Speaker: I'm go to give you a couple good facts. Mexico is officially the first country in North America to ban cosmetic testing on animals. Oh, wow. Scotland is the first country in the world to make period products free for everyone.
Speaker: Not that I care anymore. The Netherlands. You've got 99 problems. But a uterus ain't one.
Speaker: um Thank you, Chris. I really appreciate that. That so good. It made me laugh so hard. The Netherlands created a village for people with dementia where the caregivers are neighbors and shopkeepers instead of hospital staff. They don't wear scrubs. They don't walk around looking like they're medical people. They're just ah living in a thing.
Speaker: Mexico's jaguar population has grown by more than 30% since 2014. The Spix's macaws that inspired Rio have returned to the wild after 20 years of being extinct in the wild.
Speaker: um, Przolsky's horses. I don't feel as though an R and a Z should be next to each other, but it is in this. Where is that from?
Speaker: But it's the world's last truly wild horses have returned to the wild after decades of conservation efforts. Whoa. Yeah. Um, and a, God, what was it?
Speaker: and a portable MRI machine was created. i really hate Instagram. You have this whole thing, right, where you save things, but like, where do they go?
Speaker: Because they're not in my list. I have a list that's literally called want to remember, but probably won't remember.
Speaker: And it's just, they're just gone. Like I save these good things from around the world and they're just Wait, you know what, Sam? i can like To end this, let me just share the story that Sylvester Stallone shared of Dolly Parton. He's another one. Put his ass in bubble wrap, that old man. So they were in a movie together, i think in the 80s, called Rhinestone.
Speaker: Loved it. Maybe I'm a fan of Dolly. I don't know. I don't think so. I think you watched it for Sylvester. And he went down to Tennessee to, I guess that's where they filmed that movie. Yeah. And they were going to ride these special horses that are bred in Tennessee. Tennessee, like, I don't know.
Speaker: I'm making this up, maybe. Tennessee walking horse. Tell somebody from Tennessee, and they'll like, you're stupid. That's not what it's called. Whatever. It's a big horse. It's a huge horse with very long hooves.
Speaker: And they prance. Now, I love a good prancing horse. But Sylvester got on it. Sylvester got on it, and the person who was with them said, Dolly, you can get up there too.
Speaker: So Dolly jumped up on the horse behind Sylvester. Now, they're gallup it does like this high gallop thing, right? I'm not a horse person. I need to... This is the way to end the show. This is so perfect. So they're like galloping away and there go my hands.
Speaker: And the horse falls. But no not in like a crazy way from the way Sylvester was telling the story. It fell like in a slowly toppled over And then Sylvester fell off the horse and then Dolly fell off the horse. oh no They fell to the left. The horse, I think like the horse knew it was such a big prancing horse that like the horse fell to the right so it didn't squish them.
Speaker: And then Dolly jumped back up. She brushed off her knees and she said, let's do that again. That's the spirit of Dolly. And that's how we're going to end this show. That was good.
Speaker: We're here for a good time. Not a long time. And we're going to bubble wrap share. We Bye.
