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Speaker: Hey, stop. Have you ever had a ah boss bring up retirement before you did? Not as a joke, but as a plan for you. Here's the thing. A 29-year Disney legal leader says that happened to her in her very first meeting with a new boss.
Speaker: And that matters. Stay with me because there are three lessons for for everyone over 50 in this one. Let me be honest with you. I'm not a lawyer and and and this is not legal advice. This is just education for us to to help us see the signs earlier.
Speaker: And here's my first notice. This is a ah filed case against Disney. It hasn't been tried. No judge or jury has decided any of the claims yet. I'm going to say that again later because it's an important point.
Speaker: Here are the basics as alleged in the filing. Plaintiff Mary Fossier, former Associate General Counsel turned Senior Vice President at Disney, she helped build Disney's world-class IP program to protect its characters and its stories.
Speaker: And here's an irony alert. She spent years protecting Disney IP and now she says she needs the protection herself. When it started, she was 64. She says she wanted to work at least 10 more years, but she was fired in a 2024 restructuring. Now she's 67.
Speaker: Now, this is not a hit piece on Mickey. I love Disney, and and and that's exactly the point, because if this can happen inside the Magic Kingdom, it can happen anywhere.
Speaker: Let us start with red flag number one, the retirement talk. As alleged on October 24th, 2023, she meets her new supervisor for the very first time. It's Louise Pentland who leads anti-piracy and and real estate for the Parks Division.
Speaker: In that first meeting, the boss allegedly says, you need to start thinking about retiring and then asks about her retirement prep and and even sketches a timeline towards retirement for Mary.
Speaker: Fossier says that she had not thought about retiring and she told him that she wanted to keep going. And why does this matter so much? Because Timing tells the story.
Speaker: Meeting one should be about goals, about performance, about priorities. When retirement comes up, it feels like you're being kind of sorted out or pushed out. You're not being judged by value.
Speaker: you know one friendly question is one thing. A timeline drawn by your boss after you said no is something completely different. Retirement is supposed to be your decision, not the opener of your boss on the first meeting.
Speaker: So I want you to have your words ready if this state happens to you. You know, stay calm, stay warm and say this. Thanks for asking. I plan to be here contributing for years.
Speaker: I'll let you know if that changes. Can we just focus on our goals for the quarter now, please?
Speaker: Then do the most important part. Write it down that same day, the date, the place, the exact words, and who else was in the room, if anyone. Contemporaneous notes count.
Speaker: Memory fades, notes taken that day they carry weight. Save your good reviews too, and save your praise emails outside of company systems if the policy allows it.
Speaker: Our time to rise starts with protecting ourselves. Then we have red flag number two, going to HR. The filing alleges that she reported comments and and the behavior to HR on at least three different occasions and that Disney took no actions on any of the complaints. Again, that's what she alleges. The court has not decided anything yet.
Speaker: But here is the lesson for us either way. Don't never go to HR, just understand who ah HR works for. HR protects the company. It it doesn't make them villains. It means that you you do need to have your own record to be factual, to be professional, and for everything to be in writing.
Speaker: The dates, the quotes, the impact on your work, right? no No anger, no legal conclusions, just ask for help fixing a specific behavior.
Speaker: and And here is ah a system that could help. after After every meeting with HR, send a polite follow-up by email. Thanks for the meeting today. To confirm, I reported X on such and such a date. Please let me know the next steps.
Speaker: Keep a private log with the dates. Only forward to your personal email if the policy allows. and And talk to an employment lawyer in your state before you forward any kind of company documents to yourself.
Speaker: HR silence, it doesn't mean that you did something wrong. It often means that they are managing risk above you. And guess what? You're the risk. Your job though is to stay calm, stay factual and keep your own timeline.
Speaker: Now, let me pause here for a second. If if this is helping you see things more clearly, I'd like you to follow the channel. We do this every single week for our community over 50. And visit our homepage at ageismsurvivalguide.com. You're going to find resources, guides, and and even coaching services if you need one-on-one help.
Speaker: Because you shouldn't have to go through all of this kind of stuff on your own. Now this red flag number three, retaliation through restructuring. This is the one that scares people the most usually. As alleged in summer 2024, she was asked asked for input in a cost-saving initiative called Project COCO.
Speaker: Then in late 2024, she was fired in a restructuring. Her work allegedly went to a substantially younger and less qualified college. Let me be clear, restructuring, it can be real. Companies, they do cut costs, but but courts and lawyers, they look at the pretext, which is a fancy word for cover story.
Speaker: So ask these four questions. One, why this person, why me? Two, were younger workers retained? Three,
Speaker: Was the role truly eliminated or the work just moved under a different title? And four, who inherited the work? If the work just moved to someone younger, that transfer claim is what plaintiffs are going to use to challenge the entire case. See the irony here? She was asked to help the cost-saving project and then she was cut herself.
Speaker: And here's a lesson for you. if If you're asked to document your processes to train others and create lists that even cut your own role, be helpful. Don't refuse the work, but keep copies of all your contributions, your results, and and the documents where the policy allows. Document your value where you still generate value.
Speaker: And if you're ever told that you're selected, Ask calmly in the meeting. Can you share your selection criteria? What happens to my current projects? Is my role eliminated or reposted?
Speaker: Take notes. Ask for it all in writing. Here's my second notice. I have to say this because I promised. This is a filed lawsuit against Disney. The court has not processed it, nor has anyone decided on these claims. So we don't know exactly how it's going to end.
Speaker: The lesson isn't whether Disney is guilty or not. The lesson is in the retirement talk, plus the HR complaints, plus the later job loss that creates the appearance of age discrimination, whether it's intended or not.
Speaker: And here is the hopeful reframe. Her title didn't protect her. Paper did. Process did. That's actually empowering because any of us can start a paper trail today.
Speaker: Start your own file this week. One page, the dates, the quotes, the the saves that you made. And I want you to tell me in the comments, have you ever had a boss bring up retirement before you did?
Speaker: I read every comment and I respond to all of them. As I always say, youth runs fast, but age knows the terrain. I'll see you in the next one.
