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Speaker: Richard, I'm sorry. I'm in the middle of the speech. You almost got away with it, didn't you? I know all about it. I can prove it. Ladies and gentlemen, my friend Richard Kimball doesn't feel well, obviously. So if you could just...
Speaker: Go on with your dessert and coffee. I'll be right back. Richard, would you mind... To step aside and we'll just talk. Okay. So I'll be back in just a second.
Speaker: You change the samples. Didn't you, huh? You switch the samples after Lentz died. After Lentz died, you were the only one who had the access. You switch the samples. and the pathology reports.
Speaker: Did you kill Lens 2? Huh? huh Did you? He falsified his research. So that RDU 90 could be approved. And Devlin McGregor could give you.
Speaker: Provasic. Iconic. That's it. That's beautiful that's it. Emma should we do something now?
Speaker: Hello everybody. and Welcome to the Talk Over Us podcast, where every conversation starts with a movie and ends who knows where. We're four siblings getting together each week to revisit the movies that shaped our childhoods.
Speaker: along with plenty of newer favorites. We're here to share our opinions. debate our hottest takes, and inevitably. spiraling the conversations about life. and whatever else comes to mind. This week, we're revisiting The Fugitive. starring Harrison Ford and Tommy Lee Jones.
Speaker: We break down the movie. get into our favorite moments, and debate whether it still holds up more than 30 years later. And as usual, we don't stay on topic. Along the way, we revisit some of the movies that scared us growing up.
Speaker: talk about our social media algorithms. and somehow end up figuring out what color seasons we are. So grab some popcorn, settle in, and thanks for listening to Talk Over Us. Let's get it.
Speaker: Oh, God. It's the closed recording. it's Fine, she's fine. I'm just kidding. All right, not to... ah Not to jump in, but I do have... some thoughts on the movie when or and i watched some of it together nor i'm hoping you watch the rest of it I did watch the rest of it. I watched the rest of it. I got it for 24 cents. It was great.
Speaker: Wow. What bootleg version did you get? No, it was just on, there was some reason I got off. I think I still have my student account. Ooh. I still get those discounts out as long as possible.
Speaker: Yeah, I don't know when they'll like get rid of that, but... Life learner. brett big We'll see. um I watched it and I liked it. I thought it was going to be... I don't know. if like I thought it was going to be more...
Speaker: i was saying this to evan like um more of a mystery like he was on he was kind of slowly was on all wrap like unraveling he was kind of figuring it out and then It was more just like in the last 30 minutes he was like, oh.
Speaker: This is it and this is the person where I thought it was gonna be more like oh this piece makes sense and I don't know I did agree. having remembered this movie and I'm not sure I've ever seen the full thing.
Speaker: Um... It... Definitely had a lot less... mystery hunting down. than Yeah. I thought there was a lot more dramatic process I still thought it was a good movie but <unk>s Good question to open this up as well.
Speaker: Macklin. Because I asked Emma or Nora this. Would you say this is a famous movie? Yes I would consider this a famous movie. I had never heard of it before, Matt. I ain't heard of it.
Speaker: Really? No, I would consider this... In the Harrison Ford Pantheon, which is vast. This is definitely in the middle tier. but As far as the type of movie thriller.
Speaker: uh wrongly accused fugitive like style movie this is one of the most famous ones I would say Hmm. I mean...
Speaker: I'm trying to think of like other movies like in that genre that... catch me if you can any kidnapping movies kind of are like this or yeah catch me if you can's another good one It's like taking the same kind of movie almost. I was going to say taken his... qualities that are similar.
Speaker: I would say I see where you're coming from. I still think... This is like a popular movie in that genre, but it does get lost I think in history a little bit and it's old enough where i think most people these days don't really recognize it In my head, it was much more iconic than it seemed. You switched the samples. You switched the samples. I remember that from as a kid, like the scene in the end where he's like, you switched the samples.
Speaker: I definitely remember him being like... ah Or at least I remember it being famous for the, I didn't shoot my wife. I don't care. I feel like that's a famous moment. I don't know if that's me misremembering that, but I feel like when I was thinking of this movie, I was thinking of that moment.
Speaker: and i was like oh like this is a big movie like people people think of this as a good classic movie. Would you say it's like a quotable movie? I didn't walk away being like, I could just riff on quotes from this movie all day long.
Speaker: No, but we also went from birdcage to this. I don't think it's supposed to be like quotable. I mean, this is a different. Different flavor, for sure. Different flavor. not quite as The writing is a little more straightforward. There's a couple nice one -liners in there.
Speaker: It's so funny you know your phone's listening because today I got a really sad edit of from of Albert and... Armand and it was about how they're like and they still couldn't get legally married for 19 years after this was Like...
Speaker: released and it was an edit of all the clips together with this really sad song I was like, oh my gosh. Jeez, edits go hard these days, huh? They really do. I feel like they're sometimes very emotional.
Speaker: i was just listening to our last one because i was chopping it up and We got into the Dobby edits from your friend. I was laughing. It was pretty funny. I was like dang there is Once you get a certain side of the internet and you like one. It will just never stop.
Speaker: I've got some friends who have some truly choice memes that they're able to send that I can't say I would ever in a million years. yeah my feed. Yeah. Oh, well, this is the other thing. When someone sends you stuff, then you're like automatically getting them. I will say, Evan, I know you don't really use Instagram anymore, but there was one ah real Instagram reel that in the corner you can now see.
Speaker: Like when's the last time you guys were on Instagram? Maybe I don't know if this is like you've seen this but There's... a little icon of who else has liked it that you follow. So you can kind of see if Austin liked it. So oftentimes like I'll see my friends.
Speaker: When I saw Evans, I was like, that was so random. I honestly didn't think he used Instagram that much. And the reel was about hard -boiled at PB and &J eggs, pegs. Jegs.
Speaker: and What are those? It's... Exactly. Like it's a. Hard boiled egg. PB and &J. and it's had something i'm intrigued i'm intrigued like sometimes you just gotta have your like take the edge off with a little bit like with a jag or something like that and it was just a jelly egg and i was like of course evan liked this and of course it's on my feet now and i i was just like this is the most random thing i don't know it's just the most random thing for you to have liked but That's high art.
Speaker: I'm on Instagram about like... i'd say i'm but probably on instagram every other week so if you ever do see a meme If you're on there and you think of me, send it away. I will see it. I will. Now knowing that I will. There are some things that I'm like, oh, this is really funny. I sometimes screen record.
Speaker: Just so I can send it because there's so many people in my life who do not have this. tiktok's back with the browser now i've noticed that you can actually open up the tiktoks on the browser yeah like my friends will send me tiktoks and i'm able to now watch them but there was a time where i i didn't even i just would react with like a heart because i couldn't even watch it But...
Speaker: None of us are on TikTok. How crazy is that? I'm proud of us. It's the same thing. on reels basically but it is a little bit better I think I've heard the algorithm on TikTok is too good.
Speaker: Yeah, I agree with that. I think TikTok is a little too... You're able to lose yourself more easily than you are on Instagram Reels. I don't know why. say first ai placement in our life was was that algorithm that's been there for a while now Yeah. hundred that's all ai can You can figure out what your algorithm is. Like I can go into Instagram and there's these little, like, I don't know where on your screen, but if you press it, it says like your algorithm is.
Speaker: Like... filled with comedy videos and you like Like when Macklin sent that. I'm gonna piss on you, videos. Like, that's when I got that? i then got videos of the weirdest things on my instagram and i i clicked on my what my what my algorithm was and it was like you enjoy Mafia, Ma, bye.
Speaker: like personalities and I was like I Don't. You got algo, Stu. You got algo sniped. Yeah, for real. What is that? Watch out. The algorithm got hijacked. He pirated your algo.
Speaker: I know. You can always count on it. He's Shanghai Drambuidur. Now imagining the scene in Shooter with Bob Lee Swagger. Has everyone seen Shooter? Wait. His name is Bob Lee Swagger in the movie. It's Mark Wahlberg. And he's doing this, this big shot against like, he's trying to like.
Speaker: Basically... case out the the place because they think there's going to be a shooter but the whole thing is they're going to base it off of his calculations to actually do it It's like the whole thing. I'm imagining us doing a meme where Bob Lee Swagger.
Speaker: is Elgo shooting. Nora's algorithm. And it's me sending the pissing on video. And it's Nora's like great algorithm with all that stuff. And now it's ruined.
Speaker: You gotta hit her for more coming up. Yeah. Um... Oh, we got dad in the background too. Sorry, Maisie, keep trying to come in. A run by fruiting.
Speaker: as a drive -by fruiting okay i just i have to give some love to this movie the fugitive because i do really I loved it growing up, and on re -watching it, I still really enjoyed it.
Speaker: It might not be quite as prominent as we remember, but I still think there's some great performances given here by Timerly Jones and Harrison Ford. And I. I just have to say that Tommy Lee.
Speaker: This is one of his more prominent movies. In the... Like. policeman role kind of thing. but he is quite a few. And which... this I think you were. You mentioned this.
Speaker: Go ahead. wait Oh, no, you go ahead. You go ahead. I'm just going to list off a few. So he starts off. This is at least from the time period. The Fugitive comes out in 1993. He plays U .S. Marshal.
Speaker: And then he plays a very similar role in double jeopardy, which comes out in 1999, which Nora mentioned, which is like i basically movie you all watching that. And I, that makes way more sense now. like It's like...
Speaker: Almost the exact same thing. It is almost the exact same thing with like a slightly different plot. The reason for the murder is slightly different. And so the year before Double Jeopardy, he does U .S. Marshals.
Speaker: Where he plays Marshall. This is the um that's the sequel to this. Is it? Yes. so So then... And then he's you know then he plays.
Speaker: Men in Black in like 1999 or 2000 or whatever, which is like. A space marshal, basically. Very similar to that. He plays the same role, which I think we all knew that. Cause like. when you think of timely jones you think of and then in um In No Country for Old Men, he plays...
Speaker: I don't know if it's a Marshall, but he plays a sheriff maybe. Or Ranger, Texas Ranger? Yes, yeah. He's ah he's a small town sheriff, I thought. Yeah, that that's it, I think. sam Same, same, same, same. He is the perennial. Lawmen. I mean, I can't think of another person that is more synonymous with being like a person that you know a marshal a policeman someone from the law Oh, and I will say. allow Oh.
Speaker: A remake of The Fugitive is in development since 2019. So that might be the out outdated news. Never mind. Only 19, though. That's not... that long ago for a remake to be in And talks.
Speaker: Princess Diary 3 has been in communication talks for years. Really? Little history here. Little history here. The Fugitive was a show from in the 60s. I believe that's how this started. And then a show again in 2000 and again in 2020.
Speaker: They've tried this a couple of times. To Nora's point, it's not as much a mystery. You are along the ride with him as he's trying to figure out who actually killed his wife. So that is kind of the mystery. But you're more, it's the it's kind of more of the Uncut Gems effect.
Speaker: Where you're... your heartbeat is like with him as he's on the run trying to evade You know, the law trying to make he's a very shrewd and a lot of these near misses.
Speaker: You know, he's it's like you're with it's like the moving camera scene where you're with him down the hall. and Then he dips into this things because he doesn't want a cop to see him. I think that's where the heart of the film is. And that's where you're on the edge of your seat. Kind of. You're like, is this the.
Speaker: Is he going to get caught here? Is he going to get caught here? I would agree. I think that's where the heart of the film is. The arm of the film, however. Did give me pause. Hmm.
Speaker: As soon as he was brought in for interrogation and said. I fought a man. He was in my house. He had a mechanical arm. I will say.
Speaker: I will say that was that was a turning point in the movie for me where I said. Oh. Okay. Why giving hate? It was supposed to be like an identifiable thing. Oh, and very much so. Very much so. I think. maybe too identifiable.
Speaker: Oh, you think it was too convenient that he was able to crack them down. And that were led to believe that it was very difficult to ascertain whether this man who works, who was a former police officer, has access to firearms and a right.
Speaker: are missing. is no suspect. But I... Okay, that does... They didn't believe him, though, you knowt know? And I understand that, but he must have had the worst lawyer.
Speaker: Well, evidently we did, because... because There wasn't much in the way of evidence. Also, that ain't to make up that he had a a false arm. It is... behooves you if you're lying to not include such an incredible identifying detail and then you must have had the worst lawyer to not be able to put it on somebody.
Speaker: Bad lawyer. that's what I say i a agree. I agree. The whole point was that the wife wasn't actually who they were. was the intended target it was actually him so there was no Like.
Speaker: There was no point in pulling up records of people because they were like, there's no connection between that policeman and her. There's no connection between. but You could just pull up records of people in the Chicago area missing a right arm. Can't be so many.
Speaker: I mean... i I agree, but I do think to some extent it's like, I'm sure lawyers just want an easy case. And once the voicemail became. I know. I'm just saying a little bit of suspended.
Speaker: belief. That was great. All I'm saying is this guy's a vascular surgeon. Just looked it up. I know that they needed a reason for him to be in the hospital. I get that.
Speaker: So the guy is a patient in the hospital. He can look it up. I get it I'm also saying He does make a lot of ah a lot of money, and he should be able to afford some good legal counsel.
Speaker: Seeing that his life depended on it. He got gypped, I think. Because I think he got gipped. Not only did he have a bad lawyer, but... every Every competent person who later set eyes on this case was pretty pretty quick to say, you guys fucked up the police work here.
Speaker: yeah but then okay there then in lies the question jones is not interested in that like it takes him so long to actually do his job like would why did he not care for so long that he didn't kill his wife because he's trying to catch the fugitive hes yeah i actually think He does more of his own like. snooping around where he's not... That's actually outside of his job description. I think he's just supposed to come in and catch a... like Harrison Ford is a fugitive. But on his own, he's like something doesn't smell right.
Speaker: There's maybe some corruption going on in the CPD. Uh, there. you know they don't they're out to get this guy so he kind of on his own uh illuminates like the truth I would say not have shot that man in the leg.
Speaker: The man holding one his ponytail guy hostage? That seemed... I mean, oh well... You can't risk it. Leg shot, come on now. What would you have done there? Do you think he did the right thing? I just said what I would have done. Leg shot.
Speaker: Yeah, but the leg shot. Get away with the leg shot. You hit the guy in the leg. The guy shoots the ponytail guy. I don't know if that's the best movie. I think he's preoccupied by the pain in his leg coming from the bullet that just shot through it.
Speaker: I think that opens a can of worms. Two guys with a guy with a leg wound no no yeah he like a really valuable witness that you just got rid of I did think that was a little cavalier. That was a little cavalier. I don't think that would be the protocol. in the real I don't think his colleague was impressed by it either. I think his colleague was surprised he killed him.
Speaker: He doesn't bargain. He doesn't bargain. red marha Tommy Lee Jones didn't do it by the book this time? Never. It's kind of interesting. weird. Be typecasted as U .S. Marshal backslash like policeman.
Speaker: Whatever that is, like... That's kind of an interesting typecast to have your whole career. You're kind of like the FBI agent role, I guess. Yeah, like always an agent, a U .S. Marshal, whatever detective. Not even detective.
Speaker: Never a director. Always an agent. Never a director. Let's talk about a diverse actor or rather actress. ja Jamie Lynch? Coming out of left field. Oh, yes.
Speaker: Sue's Corner. Sue's Corner. Yes. Good job. She did a good job. Let's just say once you watch Glee and see the people from Glee and other roles, you're just really taken aback.
Speaker: It's true. yes A really hard time because Glee is just a really. the show is just not real it's really just there's no other word like for it it's an Insane show. So you watch the characters in real movies or real TV?
Speaker: I mean, not to say Glee's not real TV, but... It is really hard. It's really hard to fathom. It's hard to get your mind around. It's a musical TV show. it's a musical tv show i have ah i have even that it's more the characters themselves the plot lines they have in those shows it's insane If you've ever seen just a random episode of Glee. it's it's a really interesting thing to watch it's really
Speaker: OK, I have I have a comp for our security man who does like wet work assassinations whilst also having a highly identifiable.
Speaker: characteristic, i .e. Fake arm. baseball hazard Yes. One of the most prolific. Female spies in World War II had a wooden leg.
Speaker: and was able to evade not to see capture many many many many times and fool people all the times despite the fact that she had One leg. And the other was like that's wooden.
Speaker: and is that Did that help her? Sympathy? I think people upon reflection were sort of mystified as to how they did not notice. The fact that she had this like identifiable quality and was able to still move amongst people throughout France, different resistance networks and pull off undercover work whilst always having a wooden leg.
Speaker: Maybe it's because she was so... seen as not a threat so non -threatening because she was often often uh overlooked because she would pose as like a much older woman like frail older woman yes totally get that Still not the case for this man. That's just the only other example I could think of where someone successfully.
Speaker: did a really like inconspicuous job. Well... having a really, really defining characteristic. so Perhaps that's what they were thinking of the same person.
Speaker: It can happen. This Sykes guy is just a modern day. World War II spy. I still think it's kind of hard to believe you've got an assassin who like immediately is identifiable.
Speaker: also can someone explain to me sorry and maybe i missed this at the beginning Why, if he was interested in killing the doctor? Did he kill the wife? I...
Speaker: Don't know if he knew who he was after. But one's a woman and one's a man. No, like, I don't know if he knew... Well, Doctor. He kind of, like, stumbled on her. You need to kill Doctor Kimble. But I feel like he could... Yeah.
Speaker: He didn't need to kill her. Right? he's I think he's a rough a ruffian who... broke in, was looking for blood. saw her was probably going to kill both of them.
Speaker: But this was premeditated. Assumedly, he had planned this. They had the car switch, everything. E - He shouldn't have made that this mistake. It just seems kind of hard to believe. You think it was like, well. She knows what I look like. I have to kill her now. like she and she saw I believe that more. I believe that more. But was he like in the house before they even got home and he just came out too early? I'm confused.
Speaker: Well, no, they mentioned it was like no forced entry because he got the keys, remember? but So he was in the house and she came home alone and I'm assuming he attacks her.
Speaker: And the doctor or whatever. Why attack her? Why not hide and wait for her husband to come home? He comes out not knowing who it is. He just hears something. He thought it would be them coming back. ah That does make sense.
Speaker: but That makes more sense. I was confused because i was like if if that's not who you're supposed to be killing, I mean, bad on you as an assassin to have an extra kill. No one paid you for that. Yeah. I know you'd be a great.
Speaker: I'd be a great back office for them. What'd you do? What'd you kill that guy? What's up, the guy? That's what we're paid for. ah We don't get paid for that. That's extra work!
Speaker: What are doing? Those aren't billable hours. What are you doing? I do think that. and i miss jeff Having watched... So many murder mysteries. I think, I'm assuming.
Speaker: This man is in the closet. He is waiting to hear. No, he's like hiding away. hi Gay marriage hasn't been made legal yet. 19 working out issues. yeah I'm assuming he's progressive earlier, this wouldn't have happened.
Speaker: Hiding away. She's turned on the lights. She's getting ready. He leaps out starts attacking her realizes like oh she's not ah She is alone. Oh shit, it's a girl.
Speaker: Oh, damn it. But he's, she's not. She is alone. And then he's like, all right, it's too late. She see me, my arm. Dead giveaway. um Although the players are making the job really hard. He knows it's tough, Emma. That's part of the thing is that he's trying his best.
Speaker: i just Okay, give this guy credit. He is... a disabled person who's trying to pull off something an able -bodied person would normally do in this role i don't think he does you're right he doesn't get enough credit he is combating ableism because i'm sorry who puts together a profile for an assassin and says and missing one arm I will say.
Speaker: I think we're missing a crucial piece here. Go ahead Nora. No, go ahead Evan. I think we're missing a crucial piece here, which I think is kind of part of the the beauty of this movie. this isn't a highfalutin murder by a foreign government or a agency it's a pharmaceutical company Like this is a very different kind of Thanks so much.
Speaker: even though it hits all the same notes i do respect that this movie at the end of the day is about a pretty mid -level business crime. yeah It is about a guy. being bumped off or attempting to bump off a guy. for pharmaceutical results to be different. Which is, again, billions of dollars, as they mentioned. shareholder it is also like Shareholders. This is the most mundane, but almost...
Speaker: And what's the other one? ah ah The plane coming? Boeing. murdering all the way yeah boeing too i mean these things do happen Like, or real in real life.
Speaker: movies in reality and honestly I think it's kind of respectable. Well, what I'll say is this is a good point, Evan, and I will say their quality of assassins. reflect it, right? Like this is the B squad. This isn't their bag. This is this is the B squad.
Speaker: Well, they had to get a guy who was willing to do it, and most of the assassins are probably hired out already. so true i So true. It's hard to find good help. gonna I'm going to give a little Milwaukee color here.
Speaker: There was a... ah There was a one armed. like kind of mafioso wannabe named Max Adonis. That was. I think he was... ah i think he murdered He might have murdered someone or he was at least like a... a low level criminal, like thief and stuff. But he was like a pretty prominent, you can actually look him up. It was like, there was like a journal Sentinel title where it's like.
Speaker: Milwaukee's one arm. mobster or something. So like these. There were guys that existed. with listen said these things so representation Macklin thank you for adding that to the queue He's a professional. And he was and he literally was like a kind of low level. muscle kind of guy who would be told to do things.
Speaker: Despite having one less appendage. Despite having one arm. absolutely Some might say it made him more aggressive because of... because of that Kind of like if you'd have one of your senses taken away. uh your other senses have to Growing strength. So perhaps other arm really strong, legs super strong.
Speaker: Probably true. obviously I'll give the... yeah Really strong. Really strong sense of smell. I'm going to give them. ah A little bit of a quick, I know we're a little into it here, but I'm just going to give what Wikipedia does here for the synopsis. so The fugitive follows Dr. Richard Kimball, respected surgeon.
Speaker: In the Chicago area. close to home, wrongfully convicted of his wife's murder. After escaping from a prison transport bus crash he goes on a relentless nationwide hunt for the real killer.
Speaker: a mysterious one -armed man. Again, nationwide hunt. This is a nationwide hunt. I'm not sure that's accurate. A mysterious one -armed man. Chicago land hunt.
Speaker: Multi -state. Well, they did have a little bit in the middle there where they were like. He could be anywhere. Where is like where's he calling from? what's that sound behind him it's an elevated train what cities have elevated trains and they're like uh dc has like one new york like they start naming and everyone's like yeah it's says milwaukee incorrect it said milwaukee which is yeah completely and and true Um. But also... All right.
Speaker: We know. I mean, we don't have. An elevated, like... ah transport. train but we do have cargo trains that Go over bridges. And a trolley.
Speaker: Yeah, but doesn't every city have a hob? The Hop. We have so many options here. I don't think you understand. The biggest leech on this city is The Hop. I think that if there's any such thing as an anti -sponsor, this podcast should be sponsored by the movement against The Hop. Yeah. Yes, we are anti -hoppers. The only sponsor we want.
Speaker: and We are. Yours would probably agree. The hop -off. The hop -off movement. Don't hop on and hop off. Just hop off and stay off forever. Top -off style. Love it.
Speaker: Stay off drugs. Okay. To finish. So he goes after this mysterious one -armed man nationwide hunt while simultaneously evading an elite, unrelenting team of U .S. Marshals led by Tommy Lee Jones.
Speaker: So they have the key plot details are the crime. the escape the hunter which is deputy u .s marshal samuel gerrard Tommy Lee. who he that says he's a highly intelligent intelligent pragmatic bloodhound who relentlessly trails kimball across the country Across the country, again.
Speaker: famously telling him im i don't care like that's a big line that was a memorable line i don't care famously i'm gonna say this maybe this was the synopsis released but i feel like scenes were probably cut out of the movie where they were he was maybe other places.
Speaker: They were briefly in some caucus in there. He never left one time. He was always within the metro area. right he didn't go far he also he created quite a nice life quite quite a bit of time passes i think it's like over a year and a half It is a year where he's just living in the basement of that family's house.
Speaker: The Ukrainian family or something? This is how you know this man is a good guy. Everyone's helping him. Everyone's helping him. Everyone's making sure that the police don't know that he's been there.
Speaker: I just was like, wow, I feel like this goes to show that you really it's it matters that you make friends with people you work with great you know what i feel like is it is Richard having the nickname Dick. I just think it's one of the tougher things.
Speaker: It's one of the all -time mysteries. I don't know the etymology behind that. I'm not really sure. It's back when it probably didn't mean penis, or at least it wasn't as prominently a reference to penis and and unfortunately aged out.
Speaker: Yeah, probably. know But my friend's dad is named Richard and people call him Dick and I just kind of feel bad.
Speaker: it's it's such a great name though when you come in and everyone like knows the guy's name's dick you you kind of emphasize it a little extra but like it must have it was a much more common name and it's just like i don't know what to say about that yeah it just like caught up i mean hopefully emma doesn't mean a bad word one day you know What about Dickie from the talented Mr. Ripley? Dick E.
Speaker: Would you ever name your kids like give them a junior? Would you never ever name your kids after you full name? No. no It's kind of self -indulgent, I think. I mean, unless it's like a real family. No judgment on anyone who does, but personal opinion. Unless it's a real family tradition, I don't know. Love the idea. Seems a little self -branded. i think get creative you know what i mean get creative I was thinking this though. Would you guys give your kids... Middle name.
Speaker: Middle names of like our parents. Yeah. Yeah. I think I would do that. I already thought about it. My take is. Middle names are family names. That's where you preserve the right to have. any family name be there because nobody cares The middle name's not really something people care about too much.
Speaker: Unless it's something you end up going by. Here's my other thing then. is Four names. What is your take on... girl having names like James.
Speaker: Names like Logan. that are totally unisex. Like they're not very commonly unisex, but they could be. case by case. Okay. It is case by case. logan i could see a girl being a logan but like well yeah easily you said James.
Speaker: yeah no james for a girl no i don't get adult in the girl jamie is different james is just it's a straight up i don't appreciate it's the most popular boy's name in the world james john like the derivation the girl Yeah.
Speaker: i don't know Edward. You know what always got me was Clancy. Oh, Clancy. What kind of name is Clancy? like Because that's a guy's and girl's name.
Speaker: i've read i've read i've read a book where clancy was a character in a book as a guy i'll take that i'll take that then and try it's a guy's name we were at dinner last night i went to school with a girl named clancy You did. The parents might have been funny.
Speaker: I will not name her last name because we're very protective over here. But no, yes, I did. Privacy. I did. Emma doesn't want it out there. Go Bears, right?
Speaker: yeah yeah yeah we watched this movie chicago chicago Go with that car. Yeah, the North Shore. I can't even fake it Yes. ahem I think that...
Speaker: what was i gonna say oh gary and i were we were at dinner last night and this waitress she loved us She was... No. She loved us. She was laughing. She was chiming in.
Speaker: She said something really funny. She said something about men's sports being reality the reality TV that she just like, but she was like, I understand men's sports now. That's just their reality TV. yeah and this sounds that like a That is a fair way of putting it. And you know what really is men's reality TV is the WWE. That truly is. Because it's kind of fictitious like a little bit. There's a bit.
Speaker: That it's not reality TV. That's men's soap opera is the better way to put it. It put - is dramatic like a soap opera. It is. Bad guys good guys.
Speaker: that's why the tv production does it too they'll give you storylines they'll give you rivals you know they'll do personal interviews with people they'll ask them questions purposely baiting them into like talking about some an opponent It's their secret lives of Mormon wives.
Speaker: Look, the first big storyline in that was like the Magic Johnson, Larry Bird. in the 1980s where it was like Two different sides, West Coast, East Coast. It made for great TV. why So here's my question for you guys regarding movies.
Speaker: What do you think? is There's two. I asked this question last night. What's a moment in a movie that wasn't really meant to be scary or like this character wasn't really meant to be that scary? But it was.
Speaker: I'll give you an example. Scrappy from like Scrappy -Doo. When he becomes a statue, when he becomes that, like... Monster. Scarier than intended because it is a children's film. Macklin had a great poll. Macklin, go ahead.
Speaker: So I share your. room I second Nora's... I can't remember the specific name of the... It's like Scooby -Doo Mystery Island, I think, or something like that. scary scary part of that movie they do like the body swap in that i don't know if anyone remembers the that like that scene It's like that movie.
Speaker: Scrappy -Doo becomes like Giant at the end. It's a little jarring And I... countered then with mo So a movie that's scary that you didn't think would be or shouldn't be. the great mouse detective.
Speaker: Stop it. That was going to be mine. yeah that's mine in my head right now out a peg talk about a disabled thing that makes you scared peg leg the bat Oh my God. That thing is scary.
Speaker: They did. they they The bat? Terrifying. them The mouse? terrifying the lightning crashing behind the rat was a reoccurring dream of mine yes and advocate it's scarier than it's meant to be i know that but it was it again which we did recently as adults and Not scary at all.
Speaker: No, still scary. But the bat remained scary. Yes, the bat was scary. But that scene with the lightning behind the rat was scary, but not as scary as I remember it being. I agree. It's quicker. It's quicker than you remember. Oh, I have another one, though.
Speaker: Okay. and on On theme. um the petere Peter Pettigrew in... Harry Potter, the rat, the man. Harry Potter's a little scary sometimes, you know? I know, but that, I remember seeing the third one in the theater. That actor terrified me. I think that is a little scary, though.
Speaker: Harry Potter is - It is, but like, it was more that man's. manifestation of a humanoid rat yeah portrayed that was just so I mean, well done to him was so spot on that it freaks you out. It was a little bit uncanny valley in a weird way because. And. As a human, half rat, half man. I don't know. Well, he'd lived as a rat for a long time.
Speaker: so totally true totally true um totally sure yeah that was really scary when he came undone and he like he was kind of a He is a somewhat terrifying. Looking person. Looking character. I hope he makes lots of money.
Speaker: yeah i was said I hope he's wearing a lot of makeup and that's not normally what he looks like. What were you saying, Evan? We talked over Evan. casting call and he knew what he was in for you know what i mean like he knew what he's playing I'm with Nora. I think the you deserve to make some money off of your deformity.
Speaker: Agreed. I don't know if he's like deformed, but I do think... Yeah. we oh I don't know if he's a... After your character looks. After your character looks. You deserve to make money off your character looks. You do think you kind of... Also, you've read the books, I'd assume. The majority of the people have read those books and kind of understood the characters. Nora, how many Harry Potter books have you read?
Speaker: I read three. i haven't read all seven which one The first three. Okay. But I really want - Evan's read zero? No, Evan, you've had one read, do you? Yeah, that doesn't mean I read it. I mean, I don't count that.
Speaker: you don't count the first book you know what happens in the first book dad read you the first book I know, but I... Okay, sorry. Yes, I've been read Harry Potter. yeah Sorry, i should have I should have made my question more specific.
Speaker: What Harry Potters have you read and or been read to? I don't remember much of the first Harry Potter book. So Macklin? Macklin didn't even read all of them. How old was I? I read five. I read five.
Speaker: That's crazy to me. i just read it Read it to us. dad had a We had a good run there. Dad dead read us a lot. I remember Dad reading us books. I don't remember Harry Potter in particular, though. oh evan it was a great harry po time in life you know what i really remember is the one that's um What's...
Speaker: 50 clues? No, 59. 39 steps. 39 clues. I remember that. Those were good, but there I think there are 39 books. Yeah.
Speaker: Makes sense. a little little Um... okay and so i I also said Harry Potter because I generally think when we started watching them, I was just a bit younger. So it was all just like very dark.
Speaker: and a little bit straight. back on how to pull from harry potter too about from the first yeah first one first nightmare i really remember having or like vividly was.
Speaker: the first time they see Voldemort in the forest drinking the unicorn blood. The way they did it with the cloak and stuff, it it was scary. i woke up screaming i was like oh my gosh because i was like six i was like scary yeah everybody because that was the long -lasting beef with courage the cowardly dog being on yes yes yes don't get me started on that i That's a a childhood ruiner. I have not met one person that actually watched that show.
Speaker: I think it's not actually for kids. I think it's supposed to be for teenagers. It's supposed to be like adult swing programming. I have not swiped one. person who has said they liked courage the cowardly dog i don't know why it was on air I'm serious. I have no idea I think whoever made that show does not like people.
Speaker: it was no I looked into it. It was supposed to truly be. From the perspective of a very scared dog. So that's why everything seems so extreme. It's not the most unintelligent idea, but it is. Just horrifying.
Speaker: here I think they could have made it more appealing to a younger audience because even if that's for teenagers, that show was so scary. It was on all the damn time.
Speaker: It was on all the time. I think it contributed to the anxiety epidemic. I'm just going to say. What did you say? ruined it entirely It contributed to the anxiety epidemic. 100%. I also think the The characters themselves, I think if I watched that today, I would still feel very unsettled watching an episode.
Speaker: I don't think I walked away being like, oh, like that's... it No, they're all supposed to be like... I think it's scary. They're all supposed to be scary and like really like menacing looking like it's not pleasant at all when you switch over from whatever was on Disney Channel it also is a little bit of a little bit of a shock Yeah. Do you guys remember? um What's it?
Speaker: The house. A mansion of... A monster house? No, is that what it's called? Monster House, yes, where his wife is cemented into the basement. That doesn't seem as bad. I don't remember. No, I don't think that was scary, but I remember thinking that was... Wait, monster house?
Speaker: Oh, it was scary. Monster House is a great movie. Sorry, I zoned out there. Monster House is a great movie. I'm talking about the show that I don't think it's scary, but it's just a.
Speaker: kind of a callback to like period What was it? Haunting of Hill House? No, it's not a movie. It's a show about it. It's cartoon. With a blue is a blue guy like a blue blob i sign from imaginary friends Yes.
Speaker: Yes, I love that song. There's nothing scary about that. No, I love that. That was good. That was good time. That was good time. My point was that the contrast of that. Cause I'm also pretty sure it was on Cartoon Network. Was that movie like that show was good. I thought it was super entertaining. I liked it.
Speaker: And then there was. Courage the Cowardly Dog which was genuinely just horrific. I think if I went back and watched an episode of... Second campaign. second campaign Find who. made this show and They need to be called to justice. Courage the Cowardly Dog. Freaking people out.
Speaker: Yeah. Get off the hop and find the people who made Courage the Cowardly Dog because that caused nightmares. That's a nightmare fuel. Four seasons. So I looked it up. Four seasons it was on.
Speaker: How many eps per season? Some people are watching it. I'll have to into this. My question is, how much did they start playing reruns? Because I recall it being on TV quite a bit. Well, they leveraged that IP. They were going to get the best thing.
Speaker: what was that show about cows the category it's in is horror it's a horror cartoon ah And right now, why was it on a children's network? Those two words shouldn't be... Horror comedy, and then that's not a thing. 13 episodes a season.
Speaker: That's it it? Wow, it feels like there's hundreds of those episodes. Series creator John R. Dilworth. piece of shit. It's got 813 on IMDb.
Speaker: Who is rating this a good show? Do you trust that? I actually think IMDb is a little more trustworthy than Rotten Tomatoes. People already have some sort of issue. Really? Who is rating this? like Who critically is like, this is a really...
Speaker: I could maybe see people that are really like fans of like the animation style, maybe, if they really like her. People like horror movies. I don't know. Maybe this tickled their curiosity. People do like horror movies. I just watched the show Obsession, or the movie Obsession, I just saw in theaters.
Speaker: Has anyone heard of it? session i want know I know you wanted to watch that. How was it? i'm I'm curious. It was good, actually. I recommend. I think it's a good psychological thriller. i Less of horror.
Speaker: But a scary movie in the like way that it was. Is that with Adam Scott? No, it's new. No, I think that's Backrooms. Okay. His obsession the one with... It's a hokum.
Speaker: Macklin. The girl who played Bean Girls and on the island? No. No, that was that's with Dylan O 'Brien. Yeah, what's that one called? Yes, which I heard was pretty good.
Speaker: got it that movie i've actually heard is very good i actually i would be interested in seeing that i've heard it's pretty good oh i have one i watched the one on netflix about uh with sasha cohen bryant what's his name sasha cohen nasha right There we go. Sasha Baron Cohen, who.
Speaker: it switch it like the world it goes for males Yes. I've seen it too. What's it called? What did you think, Nora? I thought it was, I started doing laundry and I walked away for 30 minutes and then I came back and I was like.
Speaker: I didn't. i That's OK. And that was underwhelming, underwhelming initial hook slash premise. Not the worst idea. It does feel like it was made 20 odd years ago. And I think they could have spent a lot more time focusing on.
Speaker: underlying Mhm. ways that patriarchal structures affect women and men's perspective i just felt very tired and sort of men sexualize women women don't do that but if they were in charge they would and they would be exactly the same and i that's what i thought was odd yeah concept of them switching and then they're exactly the same i was like i just don't know if that would be true
Speaker: No, if it was a matriarchal society, I would have such trouble believing that it'd be a one -to -one. It just depends on who's in power. That was the that would the implication. Sounds like they didn't think much into this.
Speaker: No, but have you ever seen the movie? It's with... I don't know. It's it's called like... What women think. Oh yeah. with more than one. one With Mel Gibson, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: He like falls, trips, or or or something happens and he can read women's minds. He gets a head injury and he can hear women's thoughts. Yes. I thought it was kind of gonna be a take on that a bit. I would have a much better idea, Nora. Let's send you to Hollywood.
Speaker: It's a classic one. It is a better concept and I think they could have brought that to more modern times because that was filmed in, I don't know, 19... 89 maybe. i think it could have been brought into more modern times taking account of like social media the influence that has on women and young girls they didn't take account for any of it and then it's a one -to -one they flip it and it's like oh all women would be like men if but that's not this true that's just not true
Speaker: Yeah, there's a ton of stuff they could have focused on. They did this study looking at what women get asked when they pitch for investment. and they these
Speaker: categorize it and basically showing that women who pitch funders for investments and companies get asked really protective oriented questions how are you planning to prevent this what is your risk assessment on that and then men get asked really forward thinking optimistic questions like where do you see this going how could you like what are other like addressable markets they're really
Speaker: like forward thinking, whereas women's is very risk associated and prevention of risk. And there's tons of themes like that that you could so explore in that this was supposed to be at a company looking at the dynamics within. affirm there's so many things you could actually explore that would be interesting and funny to look at that do exist, but instead they just sort of.
Speaker: chose like the lowest common denominator and picked just like sexual harassment. Which, I'm sorry, is a problem. Low -hanging fruit. you could look at.
Speaker: That affect every single woman. I don't know i mean, and sexual harassment certainly affects women. It's important, but it's not the only thing. yeah Yeah, as if like the main barrier that they face at work where there are many barriers. I also thought it was going to be less.
Speaker: um like a comedy based movie because of um what's her name she's in gong roseman Rosamund Pike. yeah rosemi Because she was attached to the film, I was like, oh, maybe it's going to be...
Speaker: I don't know. I thought it was gonna be better. I thought it was gonna be a little bit more intellectual. yes so did i because of films she's done in the past i was like oh yeah she has a certain brand she has a certain Yeah. I don't know. She's done certain films in her career that I have enjoyed, so I kind of thought since she was attached to it, I'd give it a watch. but I didn't really love it. On that note, has anyone seen her other movie, I Care A Lot?
Speaker: No. Is she like an executive? She's like a top executive. No, she's like, ah she is a guardian for vulnerable older adults, but she's made it into a business, like a shy story business scheme where she'll get older adult adults committed. And then she basically takes their life savings. I highly recommend it.
Speaker: That's a cool concept. She's very good at those white collar crime roles. Yes. Yes. It's a scam artist. I do love now, like when a movie has... a concept like send help kind of was that to me where I was like oh I've really not seen a movie like this in a really long time it's not a remake it's not really a An exact copy. movie. it's original but not even I mean nothing's totally original it's kind of always going to be based off something now but I thought send help was kind of like, it was like.
Speaker: lord of the flies castaway -esque yeah of course but then there was like a different I don't know. different loss The boss employee relationship makes that. It's a new spin. That's what I'm saying and it's like two people kind of yeah I don't know. It was interesting.
Speaker: To bring it back. to things inspired by other things the fugitive was loosely inspired by a real life case Really? Yes. Although the director claimed that.
Speaker: It wasn't. There's definitely some similarities. Also, the director was Andrew Davis. And... Just got to give him his props. I think he did a pretty good job.
Speaker: But the it's loosely based on a real 1954 trial. Um... The trial was for Sam Shepard. ah who is a osteopath.
Speaker: osteopathic neurosurgeon who is wrongly convicted of bludgeoning his pregnant wife, Marilyn, to death. So his story, this was in Cleveland, Ohio. This story is a little less.
Speaker: you know, He, a little less, I don't know, like he doesn't end up, he actually does end up serving 10 years in jail. until he is successfully appeals it.
Speaker: His attorney is F. Lee Bailey. who was like a really famous attorney back in the day who ended up doing like really famous trials. And he successfully argued that. the media scrutiny around it because it was a huge media trial and there was like a lot of pressure to convict him of second -degree murder but it was like a similar circumstance.
Speaker: He woke up. His wife was screaming. He had. Um, A fight with, like he said, a bushy -haired man. And then the man fled and he was left with his wife who who died.
Speaker: And so they convicted him and he was he spent 10 years in prison before he got appealed. It took it reached the Supreme Court. And famed defense attorney F .D. Bailey successfully argued that Shepard's right to a fair trial was compromised by prejudicial media coverage.
Speaker: So this is one of the first, like, really big, like, media heavy. for that reasoning? i I would assume so. I mean, it the fact that pre. media.
Speaker: in the 1950s was a big deal must have been super all over the place. popular. Um, but they said afterwards like he he really struggled the rest of his life obviously he died early from like I think he battled with alcoholism. He died when he was like 47.
Speaker: oh this makes me so sad like because that's the thing even though he like any time anyone touches the touches the justice system it just ends up being bad yeah Like even if you are trying to seek justice, I feel like everyone oftentimes, that's not true, but like it does seem in many stories, oftentimes people, everybody leaves sort of worse off.
Speaker: oh it's so sad and that's the thing it's like even if you end up getting acquitted or proven like or justice of whoever harmed a loved one or harmed you You just, you're associated with this thing. It's a horrible, painful process. Yeah. You're guilty by accusation half the time.
Speaker: I mean, think about even if you just had that little tidbit of gossip in like a small town. like we're from, unnamed. That's going to carry around for the rest of your life. I feel like I don't remember where I heard this from a movie, a show, someone, something, but it really makes you reflect on the ripple effects when someone chooses to do something criminal or really harmful to another person. It's like the ripple effects and magnitude of the actions. It's just.
Speaker: incredible. Incredible. Yeah, that's true. it's just those split second things sometimes that. can affect you the rest of your life. On a totally different topic, anyone watch the documentary about that woman that swam from Florida to the Cuba?
Speaker: Or Cuba to Florida? Nobody knows the story. I remember when it happened. Because that was like 10 years ago, didn't it? It was like a yes good memory. Yeah. Well, if you ever need a good doc to watch. It'll make you.
Speaker: Really, really impressed. She was like 64, wasn't she? yeah I think 61 or 62. Yeah. Somewhere around there. 64.
Speaker: We should have mom watch it. Yeah, she'd like it. There's also a new um documentary on Netflix about a woman's baby being stolen. Oh. What? yeah What baby? The Lindbergh case?
Speaker: Her baby was she like a real -life doc oh my gosh everybody like it's her her baby was stolen and it's like who stole her baby It's all about figuring out who stole her baby. Let's take a moment. end Is it ending in Canada, Nora?
Speaker: Oh, maybe. It might have been. I think I've seen this It just was released recently. It's called like Maternal Figure, something like that. Oh, never mind. This is a real story. Yeah, real story.
Speaker: It's documentary. Wait, can we just take a moment and look at how beautiful Nora's skin looks? It's so beautiful. Also, not a burn in sight, Nora. Look at that beautiful glowing skin. You basically exfoliate. It's a whole new layer. You probably slough off that first layer. and Yeah. look what like I will say my skin, my back is now, and I was saying this to Evan.
Speaker: It's now just... it is as if i was tan because it's just a couple like three layers of my Actual skin is gone. That was always the goal, right? Yeah, and that was the goal all along.
Speaker: I don't advise this, but. We don't endorse. And you're really pale. You just burn your, you burn yourself, girl. You get out there. No.
Speaker: You sit in the sun unprotected. You cook. and You cook yourself. You cook yourself until you get it. And then when you get inside and it's red and to touch it hurts. you know you've done right. Because in a couple days...
Speaker: Your back will be another color. And it will stay like that permanently. You got to be fork tender. oh It's going to be amazing. I do think and when they pass a Geiger counter over you, you glow a little bit.
Speaker: You glow. Yeah, you get the look. I just got out of the shower and I was giving my skin a look and I was a little annoyed at these spots down here. So I appreciate the call. I don't know what you're talking about because I'm dark and raised low.
Speaker: Glow. Hey. Hello, honey, hello. I think she's a winter. I think you're a winter. Wonderland? A winter color season. We should all have our colors done. What what is Macklin and Evan?
Speaker: Evan? I'm a tourist. Evan's lucky. Evan's blessed with that olive skin. Is Macklin also a summer? I feel like Macklin might be a summer. What do you think, Nora?
Speaker: I don't know. I don't think he's a winter. oh my gosh what if you cut your hair that short again nora cute very friends um evan i feel like is perhaps Evans, what's that song?
Speaker: Fall? What's that country song where it's like... What would Evan be a fall? Cold weather. a Oh, I know what you're talking about. um You know what I'm talking about? it's a country song where it's like Put a boot in your ass, it's the American american way.
Speaker: Uncle Sam. That one? Does that have that line? It could be. It's courtesy of the Runaway Blue. But I'm stuck in colder weather. That one. What's that one?
Speaker: Definitely not. Not the stick in your ass one. I think Evan is between an autumn and a summer. How do you love? like what is I'm looking at a color wheel of men. Is this based off your skin tone?
Speaker: it's but It's based off a couple of things. It's based off the underlying skin tone you have. And it's also based off your contrast between like your skin and your hair. So Nora has high contrast because she has dark hair and light skin. um And then she has undertones. She has cool undertones. So she's, I think, either I think a winter.
Speaker: But i could be I could be wrong. Does your eye color have anything to do with it? I think so. Yeah. That that relates to your coloring. does Well, I'll say... It will pertain more to Macklin, you and me having blue eyes and darker hair. and like lighter skin, does that have anything to do with us? even though we might all be different things.
Speaker: So I think we're either, so we're we're on like one half of the color wheel because of that. And then evans Evan is like closer to an autumn because he's tan. So he has less contrast between his hair and his skin, right? Because his skin is closer.
Speaker: I'm just all brown. yeah But you can take but you can you can throw out a lot of accents and people will say, okay. Yeah, he's from there. I think I probably most resemble a man who's like Balkan in honesty.
Speaker: Oh. Yeah. Good for you and your travels around the world. It is great to not be art coloring. to be I'd love to be confused for being from Crete. i think But Evan can get still kind of pale in the winter. But when you have like the end of summer, like tan where you've like developed it over the summer, you are truly a different, a different shade.
Speaker: I would say. I mean, look at Evan right now compared to the three of us. We're trying our best to get there. Making me work indoors nine to five.
Speaker: Adopted. You got to get outside. Great. You get me out of a lot of jams. Evan, do you get me out of what ja when jam you put my ranch party in my mouth?
Speaker: I need that fiber. I need that cash. Give me out a one. Three day in love. More. I would never not love that skit. I'm rewatching Gilmore Girls right now and Suki St. James. Just the best character. My friend said... remind them of her. Quite a show. Your spirit show, Emma.
Speaker: your spirit you know i realized i have a friend who and this is the greatest compliment i have not given to her yet i have a friend who really reminds me has anyone seen nurse jackie Of the the younger nurse? Maybe Falco?
Speaker: Zoe, who is the younger years. I have a friend. who you've met, who I will not say as to protect their identity, who reminds me of that nurse. And and what a compliment because that's one of the greatest characters in television. Is it Hannah? Hannah, Nora, bleep it out. No, I agree.
Speaker: It's a hula - I almost hit her. They don't even know what night now. Nobody knows Hannah here. oh but no poor nat It's always poor Nana. Poor Poor Nana. Poor Nana. My poor father. thing Have you seen her acceptance speech? I don't know the actress's name, but have you seen her acceptance speech at the Emmys?
Speaker: No. And in any way that I am like that character, I i wish to be, you guys have to watch this show. She is, this is one of the best character actors I've ever watched.
Speaker: Yeah. Right? I mean, like, she totally, you totally believe that this character person exists and that she plays them so truthfully. She was...
Speaker: but Also on... um new girl. She's a new girl for a bit. I could see that. She is. Have you seen the girl? Have you seen the show? we've seen a little I haven't seen all of it. She dates Schmidt for a bit. She's like Schmidt's ex -college girlfriend. And then she comes back for a couple episodes.
Speaker: Oh, my gosh. She would be a perfect fit for that show. What a good cast. Yeah, she is really good. Wait, she her acceptance speech, she goes up. Her name's Zoe Barkow. No, it's Merritt Weaver in real life or Weber in real life.
Speaker: No, yes, that's her name and that sure on the show. I'm sorry. yeah yeah wever But she she goes up And she's like... Wow. Wow. Thank you so much.
Speaker: um Bye. And then she just walks off stage. That's her whole acceptance speech. It's very true to her character. i She is just her character in the show. I really can't describe it. I really respect that. I'm going to send it to you. It's really funny.
Speaker: I love a good short expect acceptance speech. Yeah. Joe Pecky famously had a really short one too. He was just like, thank you. For my cousin Vinny? or for good yeah he was he was like oh this is like a really an honor thank you knows That was it.
Speaker: It's like, Nick. Oh, and for for the, I know we have two Sopranos lovers in the room. Eddie, ah what's her name? Evie? Edith Falco. Edith Falco. Is the main character.
Speaker: That's right. I've heard about it. It's one of those shows that I think missed us. She's what? Where's that? Yes, I think it missed us a little bit. I found it a while ago and watched. I haven't watched all of it, but I've watched some of it and was just.
Speaker: of a no no i couldn't get into sopranos i'm sorry to say it was a little bit too much for me i really love one i like sopranos Edie Felk was in Sopranos and does a great job. I think it was because we were watching it during... the pandemic the pandem and i remember just dad getting really upset about how explicit it was and so i was just like i just was like okay well we can't watch this as a family i'm not gonna watch it by myself It's kind of true.
Speaker: There's just a couple scenes that were pretty raunchy. See ya. Yeah. It's kind of awkward. Well, that's what I think that's kind of her character. That's like who she is. kind of in the show sounds like that might be who she is in real life Yeah.
Speaker: Sometimes it is funny when you realize it. You do realize that? So should we rate this baby? yeah let's do it let's do it The fugitive. Or what do we do? Do we age order? No, we go youngest to oldest usually, so Nora. if you would do the honors. We can reverse. I'm going to popcorn and just say Emma.
Speaker: And then how many popcorn? Okay, I... I'm going to give it...
Speaker: Oh my god, low. A seven? You want to do lower. What do you want to do? Be honest. Yeah. what do you want you want wait what I don't need to go lower because it's not my, I understand why people enjoy it. It's your rating.
Speaker: What? This is personal, Emma. This is not business. This is personal. What would you rate it? It is all personal. You want to read it low. I can read. I can already tell in my mind. it was think a girl We'll be right back.
Speaker: I'll go someone's coming I'll go. Six, three. That seems high. You want to rate it so much lower. That's your scale. I did not walk away from the movie thinking it was bad.
Speaker: bad movie did i walk away from that movie and again someone's already said this was i primed by some really good writing in birdcage And then watched that movie and thought. And they hired a writer? Question mark? Or no.
Speaker: Okay, I will just... Yes. I have to put in my two cents really quickly. I do think that they have a really good they do a good job. Over. giving him options in the scene and he kind of picks the smartest option That's all I'm going to say is they do allow him to show like his intellect a little bit in like evading.
Speaker: evading the the cops or whatever. And I don't it is just not a ah it is just not a script and or a line heavy movie. Right. So I think that I actually see. chris critique Yes, it is an action movie. It is a suspense thriller.
Speaker: I'm all for a suspense thriller. This one just wasn't. as much of my piece of cake, that's fine. 6 '3 it is. Great height. Great height. Great height.
Speaker: Too tall, some might say. i disagree with that i don't know who's saying that Sick three. Kind of short. excellent Too tall. I think if we're talking like 6 '7", maybe you're too tall, but 6 '3".
Speaker: That feels... Fine. That feels within the realm of... Right. Right on par. All right, I'm off popcorn. I will popcorn to my fellow Washingtonian.
Speaker: Have your bath. Cool. So. I thought it was actually a pretty good movie, but it was worse than I was expecting. I was expecting a true bonafide classic. I would say it didn't quite live up to that hype. Maybe it was too much. ah Maybe I misremembered how big a deal it was or how big a movie it was.
Speaker: I did think. That it was cool that we have a... Thriller. mystery. that is just a guy who gets caught up in a pretty like mid -level corporate espionage type deal.
Speaker: And one thing that didn't get brought up, but I always love, is just the villain. For no reason. being vaguely Eastern European. maybe That's where that accent's from.
Speaker: But just, you know you know, right off the bat, you're like, we can't trust this guy. Listen to the way he talks. Overall, I would say... Only a 6 .7 honestly. I didn't think it was.
Speaker: phenomenal but I think it definitely is. I would say. Six and above for me is like worth a watch. So I would say it's definitely worth a watch if you've got spare time. I'll popcorn over to Mack.
Speaker: all Alright. y 'all been 'all been Peace. Peace. be smirching the name of the fugitive. I think this is a great action thriller. I think.
Speaker: It's not supposed to be as dialogue heavy as some of the other movies or as written as. detailed maybe but i think it delivers home with some amazing sequences that train sequence was unbelievable i don't know what the budget was to have that actually happen I think Tom Lee Jones. delivers a stellar performance. I think Harrison Ford also delivers a stellar performance.
Speaker: The beard does make him look different. I will say it was a big difference. So maybe that could help him blend in. Although it was a little spend of belief that he was just sitting there for a year, just right there in like just outside downtown Chicago.
Speaker: I think they could have done a little more with like in between that year of like close counter like encounters, stuff like that. But they really like kind of let him go where he got a job back at his old hospital just as a janitor. No one noticed.
Speaker: I do have to say one small thing Go ahead. How much would it genuinely take for you to... see if a wanted poster of a guy who like was it either a drawing or like a guy with the like the beard removed The balls to call the cops on a person sitting across from you on a bus or something.
Speaker: So true. i agree it's hard i do think though being in the environment that you used to work in. is tough. Even with that disguise, because those are people.
Speaker: Now, I was thinking huge hospital system. ah You're not seeing the same people all the time. There is a chance. But I'm like in that. year that he was working there however long six months whatever You're saying one person?
Speaker: Wasn't like. Yep. Okay. Dr. Kimball? Like and there wasn't one time that one person who worked closely with him was like, no, that's definitely you. Like Dr. Kimball, like I've worked with you for like 10 years. Dr. Kimball, like he, you know, I don't know. They're just like, I wish there could have been something that could add to the storyline was like.
Speaker: someone that he has to deal with that might reveal a secret. Maybe they're trying to blackmail him or something. I don't know. Food for thought. Overall, though. 7 -5. I'm going to get a solid 7 -5 because I think this is rewatchable. I think it delivers home on the front.
Speaker: I think there are some iconic lines. I think it's riveting. I think they do a good job of like showing his intellect. There's a lot of scenes that are close calls, like him in the hospital, like stitching himself up.
Speaker: you know, like taking the food from the old man and then like finding the. overalls in the truck and then it's It's just like he does a good job. I think of they're like, this is kind of believable. Like this guy's very smart.
Speaker: And then. The only thing I was like. His buddy could have turned him in, the guy that... actually he could have turned him in twice could have worked with the cops to capture him yeah but then do you think but then he like vehemently denies them which throws you off the scent but then you realize it was him all along you're like
Speaker: Why wouldn't you just help the cops? you could have said it was you could have been like i don't want to help a fugitive i thought was that he wanted it to kill him but then he took a really long time to do that. So that doesn't really work either. I agree. No, I agree with you. It doesn't make sense. Here's the thing. He had come to him and was like.
Speaker: I want to catch it's Sykes or or it's. um i want to catch these people so clearly the doctor knows oh he doesn't know it's me yet that moment he could have been like, Guys. use me as a sting i'll go in we'll capture him he trusts me And none the wiser. I don't know.
Speaker: Then do it. no you raise a good point you raise a good point the young kid he helped in the emergency room was that at the hospital he worked at Yes. That's shocking then that that woman wasn't like.
Speaker: though Aware of him? or Wasn't aware of him and also was then also I thought it was also odd that she was - i don't know really attacking him like who are you where when he saved his life when he saved that child's life Yet not not an overly endearing role for her.
Speaker: No, Julianne. Julianne! Come on! You're better than me. Owie! You think she just goes by Julianne, though? She seems like she doesn't go by Julie.
Speaker: she does not strike me as a julie maybe she's a double namer like everyone just called her hard julianne moore You know what I mean? Do you know how some people in life are like full name people? or That's what I mean. Yes. not i think if you have the name julianne that's kind of it stands alone the full name i could say what i think is will ferrell is will ferrell not just will So true.
Speaker: And also not William Farrell. I mean, they're famous people. You gotta identify them. William Farrell? Odd. Honestly, any comedian going by their full name...
Speaker: feels a little wrong. They all go by their full names. They all have to go by their full names. Nora, you've got to give us your rating. Yeah Nora, rate it up. I didn't get popcorned. Sorry.
Speaker: Not again. Macklin, you want popcorn to me? Someone's feeling left out, Macklin. Bring her in. Bring her in. 7 -5. We're going to popcorn over to Norsey. thank you ah beautiful monologue you guys did a really good job
Speaker: 22? I don't know about you. But I'm feeling 22. It's going to be alright.
Speaker: Woo woo? 22. already a great year already off to a great start beautiful i feel amazing it's awesome out here Um... What was I? What am I? Oh, yes.
Speaker: um or i thought the movie was Good. that's kind of all i have to say it like i i walked away being like i could watch that again if it was on This is what I thought.
Speaker: If it was on cable, I'd watch it. but I would be happy to have the ad breaks. I said this to Emma. I'd be happy to have a break just to be like. I don't really need to get that into it. Like I could flip channels to another movie on.
Speaker: You know? I don't feel like that committed. And I would give it maybe. ah a 5 .8 maybe a 6. A six. I'll give it a six. Six one. How about that? Alright. Norris 6 -1.
Speaker: Emma? 6 '3". 6 -3 and we what Evan, would you give it what'd you give it? 6 .7 6 .7 yeah So I'm the only one who went above the turn. That's okay. It seemed to really touch you.
Speaker: Which is good. Which we love. Yes, that's what art is. now it's funny Evan, you recommended, so what made you think of the movie? like what kind of why was As I said, I... It popped into my mind as an iconic movie. Which I think it is, it's not not an iconic movie. I think it is probably just shy. I think it probably has a little bit better of a cult following than it... it delivers on. It's my person.
Speaker: I just had a thought of another movie sorry to interrupt it just came to me and i feel i have to share it I think, and perhaps we can all watch it together.
Speaker: After an evening in Stockholm. Um, Yours, mine and ours. Ah! Oh! i haven't seen him in a while hasn't it yeah that's right he just remade it With Zach Braff. They just remade it. whoa What? Again, again? oh They made it with Dennis Quaid. I protest protest. they remade it it's called yours nine and ours but it has the plot of cheaper by the dozen Hate that.
Speaker: Let's... Bold. Bold -faced wise. The - The whole plot is like, it is a mesh family. Is this a fever dream, Nora? I'm not seeing this. Yours, mine, and ours with Zach Braff.
Speaker: This could not have been a dream. That would have been crazy. guys i was thinking do we the next time we are together We will be in... Sweden. Toot!
Speaker: yes I'm just letting you know I think Nora dreamed this no no no no I definitely didn't Nora, she's looking exactly the same. look up za Oh, it's cheaper by the dozen, but it's yours, mine, and ours. Sorry, it's cheaper in by the dozen remake, but...
Speaker: It's yours, mine, and ours because it's two blended families coming together. Got it. Just transpose those two. No worries. We got it.
Speaker: Looks pretty good for 51. okay well i'm upset that we made cheaper by the dozen i think that's really rude to steve martin who is i agree who also cheaper by the dozen too Is a phenomenal movie. We didn't need to touch the franchise. Hands down.
Speaker: The only guy we've ever wanted is a cheaper by the dozen three. Where are they now? Love that. Yeah. Love that. Agreed. I you know honestly...
Speaker: What? No, you know what? Oh, monkey! Moki! Mokey's home. She finally graduated. My friends are going to take over because I need to go. I think we're going to wrap it up. We weren't sure if we could do it. She did it. I think we're going to wrap it up. Hi. She graduated.
Speaker: What's going on? Welcome home. Welcome home. You guys are all grads. Yes, we're cooking over here. we' We're ready to wrap her up. That's right. what have you guys been talking about tonight A movie called The Fugitive, which we don't which we somewhat recommend. oh man Like great movie for doing laundry.
Speaker: Okay. A laundry movie. For some. i thought yeah it was a It was a better piece of art for Macklin, less so for me, less so for Nora. I think there's some good takeaways. I thought it was so. Do you guys have like an outro planned?
Speaker: Oh, no, this there is no structure. There is no structure. Okay. No structure. Sorry, Macklin is in charge of structure. The structure is in the works. We're going to watch Love Island, you guys. i mean Any thoughts? Have a great bombshell evening. Thank you so much. Genuinely don't care.
Speaker: That's so rude. do care. That's so rude. like so and We do care. That's a of shade coming from someone who wanted to be a Love Island contestant. No, I said that.
Speaker: i said that could that confident not actually no i said that because I said that because isn't there a guy named genuinely on there or something or like sincerely? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I said that. I was going to come back when I know you're a fan of the franchise.
Speaker: Yeah, Mack. I think. for is It does what it does well. I don't know. Listen, if this pod doesn't take off, he's going straight to the island.
Speaker: Well, God forbid he's currently on his way.
Speaker: We're going straight to the island. Alright, we don't have... yeah they're We're wrapping it up. Yeah. I love you guys so much. Do you have something to add? you can outro us right now you guys can all outro us yeah they're gonna make a jingle or okay okay and go We're ready.
Speaker: Okay, go ahead. let's get Oh. Go, go. The name of the podcast is Talk Over Us, but okay, go ahead. oh Oh, we did not include that in the jingle. Bummer.
Speaker: Just go for it. You can do whatever you want. Okay. Three, two, one. Talk over us with the coffee at a good time. Yes! Thank you!
Speaker: That was great. I was like Disney Channel vibes. That was so good. That was so good.
