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Free Weekly Episode - Roma Sack Mourinho, Vlahovic Juventus Rockets, AC Milan Back, Inter Maul Monza, Lucky Napoli, & Much More (Ep. 390)
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From fallout of Roma sacking José Mourinho replacing him with Daniele De Rossi, Dusan Vlahovic fires two missiles for Juventus, Theo Hernandez and Olivier Giroud French connection gifts AC Milan win, Lautaro Martinez brace as Inter Milan maul Monza, to Amir Rrahmani the hero for lucky Napoli and Lazio continue to win while Atalanta smash Frosinone in top 4 Serie A race, as well as Baggio, Premface and Serie Ass of the week and much, much more when Nima and Carlo break down all the main talking points from an actionpacked weekend in Italian football.
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Introduction and Podcast Overview
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Welcome to the Italian football podcast. Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Italian football podcast.
Serie A Weekend Highlights
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I'm Carlo Garganese joined as always by Nima Tavalli. So today's free weekly shows a little bit later this week as we were waiting for all the Serie A games to finish with the events as playing on Tuesday evening
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completing the program. So we're going to react to all the matches from the last match day, including Juventus, who won 3-0 against Sassuola on Tuesday, two great goals from Dusan Blauwitz, which means that
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the gap at the top of the table is back to two points. Inter Thrashen Monza 5-1 so we'll be reviewing both of the two Scudetto contenders.
Mourinho's Sacking and Roma's Future
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Also Milan who continue their renewed form winning 3-1 against Roma but the biggest talking point of the week
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coming from that game is of course Jose Mourinho who has now been sacked by Roma. So we're going to look at Mourinho and look at his time at Roma. What went wrong? Was it a success? What next for Mourinho? And what next for Roma? Because Daniela de Rossi has been appointed as
00:01:24
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the manager of Roma until the end of the season. Elsewhere, Napoli get back into the top four races. They scored deep into injury time to break Salenetana's hearts. They're also quite active on the transfer market as well. Lazio make it five wins in a row.
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Bologna's fairytale is starting to turn a bit sour as they lose again to Calgary. Fiorentina slip up as well. So the top four race is really, really crazy. And we're also going to profile, Juventus won the kid, Kenan Yildiz, who has really exploded in the last month or so. Also, we're going to talk about, gives our well wishes to Sven Gore and Ericsson.
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and one of the most beautiful videos I have ever seen from Lazio's, his Lazio squad, Scudetto winning squad, absolutely beautiful. And of course, we'll have Baggio, PremFace, and Celia Ass of the week and all the latest transfer updates.
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All our first time listeners, this is our free weekly episode that we do every Monday, usually Wednesday this week, reviewing the weekend Syria action and all the biggest talking points in Italian football.
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Analyzing Mourinho's Roma Era
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Okay, so only one place to start and that is of course the news from Roma with Jose Mourinho being sacked on Tuesday.
00:03:34
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kind of a little bit expected there were murmurings coming out he has been under pressure because Roma have been in very very bad form recently and of course the last week has been very very bad for the for the team and the players and the fans losing to Lazio in the coppertalia their rivals their city rivals and then being beaten 3-1 in the the latest limp performance by Milan at the at the weekend um so
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First of all, Nima, what's your reaction to this sacking of Mourinho in the way that it's been dealt with by Roma?
00:04:09
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Well, my reaction to this is that the Friedkins, from a strategic point of view, from their perspective, they've handled this brilliantly because Mourinho's contract expires at the end of June this season. They're not going to extend that. That was obvious, evident already last summer. It was evident that they weren't going to do that. There's always going to be, you know,
00:04:35
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and sacking him was going to be very, very unpopular. So naturally, they replace him with a Roma god, the second biggest god in the Rome in the Rome in the Roma Empire. And that is Daniela de Rossi. Daniela de Rossi, who has had an awful career as a coach at Spal. Daniel de Rossi. Daniel de Rossi.
00:05:02
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He's had an awful start to his coaching career and so that will soften the blowback because no one is going to criticize Daniela de Rossi if you're a Romanista even though you love Jose Mourinho.
00:05:16
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And more importantly, the Friedkins know that they only need him until the end of the season in the off chance that he succeeds, in the very off chance that he succeeds. And what do I mean by succeeds? He gets Roma to the Champions League. He wins them the Europa League, something like that. Then they will then have to cross that bridge when they get to keep him.
00:05:39
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But all likelihood points to the fact that he will fail miserably the seasons of write-off, and given the fact that Tiago Pinto has also left or will leave early February, then they can restart this entire project in the summer from scratch.
00:05:55
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And then they also will not have to deal with the calls to have Daniela de Rossi back at Roma. So from a strategic point of view, the Friedkins have played a blinder here. I saw some criticism from Fabio Capello, really strong criticism against not so much the Friedkins, but more American owners as a whole.
00:06:18
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And I kind of see, I agree with him, his broader point, but I disagree with him, as you've just explained there, about how they've dealt with Mourinho, because I can't blame them, really, for Saki Mourinho, because, I mean, this brings us on to, you know, to has Mourinho been a success at Roma. But you can't blame the Friedkins, because he hasn't, certainly when it comes to domestically, in terms of Serie A, he has, I would say he's underachieved with Roma.
00:06:48
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Now, I'm not expecting Roma to be a title challenger or to challenge to win the Scudetto or even to challenge for the top two or top three, but I am expecting them to challenge for top four.
Mourinho's Serie A Challenges
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And if Mourinho is supposedly this elite manager on the salary that he's on, one of the best coaches in the world, then you expect the top coach to get more out of their team.
00:07:11
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and not get less out of their team. And I believe there's no doubt about it in Serie A. That is what's happened. He's got two sixth place finishers in a row. That's definitely underachieving in Serie A. And this season, their ninth.
00:07:27
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in Syria. They've got the third highest wage bill in Syria. Now, OK, some of that has been badly spent, and that's not necessarily down to Mourinho. That also predates Mourinho. And they've also been obviously hamstrung in the market by this FFP that seems to have been going on for, I don't know, for decades with Rover, with lone players and all this. But if you look at the players that he's got at his disposal,
00:07:48
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especially in attack, Lukaku, Di Bala, Pellegrini, and then Tammy Abraham as well last season, and then spin at Zola when he obviously has had injury problems. But there is a lot of quality, certainly in attack. I mean, Roma boast goals and attacking quality on a par with almost anyone in Serie A. From that aspect, I agree 100%. I think Mourinho has failed in the league from that aspect.
00:08:14
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because in the sense that from two aspects, the first aspect is when you have Di Bala, when you have Lukaku, Osman, Pellegrini, Bellotti, and you can't literally barely create in the final third, that has to, after two and a half years, be on the manager. There's no ifs, ands, or buts.
00:08:40
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And then, of course, secondly, being that they look at Napoli, they look at Juve, they look at all these other qualitatively, they look at all these other squads, and that's your last season. And they're like, well,
00:08:53
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they have overachieved, especially, you know, if you look at Napoli and how much they spent, you look at Milan when they won the Scudetto, how much they spent. They look at Lazio last season finishing second and how much they spent. And they're going, well, you failed. There's no doubt about it. And the first summer, just on that point, the first summer, they spent a hell of a lot of money in Mourinho's first summer. Then, of course, they had to rein it in last summer, the second summer that he was there. And then, of course, again,
00:09:18
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They spent a lot of money. That's not all on Mourinho. It's got to do with the fact that you have to be able to create more in the final third. Mourinho has not been able to do that. He really hasn't at Roma. I think overall, his tenure at Roma
00:09:39
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Will be remembered as as he'll be remembered as a hero because he won them their first European trophy Even though it was a minor year or you know, people say it's the third most important trophy. It doesn't matter they won it He brought them to the final of the Europa League, which they lost on penalties very unlikely to win that game
00:09:56
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And they deserve to win that game, although they did lose. And I don't think blaming Anthony Taylor is helpful. I mean, that's just what Mourinho does and that's his thing. But he did, you know, if you look at overall on that and you compare that to Roma's history, that is actually a success. Yeah. And if you ask any Roma fan, they love him. They worship him. Of course they do. The fans in Roma worship. I mean, we were just saying on this pod last week that when he got sent off in that game a couple of weeks ago,
00:10:20
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that have you ever seen the crowd cheer and applaud him and give him a stand innovation to being to being sent off in a game that they lose. They lose all that game. Because he played that politically really well and he understood the atmosphere and he
00:10:36
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he understood the love he's got like when he was leaving the ground yesterday and you know they were going after his car. No there's no doubt that he was there's no doubt that he understands I mean this is the kind of club he should feel. And he filled out the stadium as well I mean that wasn't all him that wasn't all him that was also met some changes they made in terms of getting the stadium's full but
00:10:54
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This is, but the Roma... He created a community again. That's what I was going to say. That's exactly what I was going to say. And this is because Roma Inter, these are the kind of Porto, these are the kinds of clubs that he should be at.
00:11:07
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meaning when he's at Real Madrid, when he's at Manchester United, who are establishment clubs, they're football aristocracy. No, not corporate, they're football aristocracy. He is not that guy. He's the guy who walks into the underdog at the underdog club and builds an underdog mentality and then proceeds from there on.
00:11:29
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And that's his biggest strength. And I think at Roma, that's so true. And that's what he was able to do. He started playing youngsters, Romanisti. And he himself was speaking about why he's playing so many young Roma youth team players, because if they weren't on the pitch, they'd be standing in the Kurbasut. And he understood the importance there, and he respected that. And he managed to criticize so many players publicly.
00:11:57
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and they didn't stop him in the back but instead they turned up for him i mean that's something that he's always been in the past few years he struggled with but i don't know that wasn't the problem the problem was that it looks so bad on the pitch in the final third despite having boasting attacking talent that great attacking talent if you were perfectly honest and i think that's why what ultimately cost him
00:12:22
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But I think his tenure overall at Roma will be remembered fondly by Roma fans.
Mourinho's Future Speculations
00:12:29
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And I think that's how he'll go down as. I think it does. This spell, talking about it from Mourinho's point of view, this spell just confirms everything.
00:12:41
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everything that I predicted, I think we predicted when he took over, but everything that I've been saying since, and I've said it so many times, since he was sacked by Chelsea in his second spell back in the 2015-16 season, I think it was December 2015 that we're talking about,
00:12:59
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ninety eight just over eight years ago now so long time ago and you know i said back then that he was out he was outdated and he needed to change his style and reinvent himself tactically and stylistically and that's eight over eight years ago and i said if he doesn't do that he won't succeed at the very highest level and
00:13:27
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and everything that he's done since has confirmed that, but this spell at Roma has confirmed that.
00:13:35
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Great for Roman that he's won the European titles, but we're talking at a certain level. We're talking at a minor European trophy. We're talking about the conference league and then doing well in the Europa League. We're not talking at the top level. We're not talking about the Champions League. We're not talking about succeeding or challenging in even in Serie A, two sixth place finishers and a ninth place this season. Roma have only beaten one top 10 Serie A side this season.
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And this is Mourinho's level now, that he can't go higher than this level. And even at this level, he's not even able to raise the level of a team of Roma's level anymore. So this is where Mourinho has been for the last
00:14:17
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you know, eight years. This is the level he's been. And then, yeah, well, I think he has changed. I think it's unfair to say it's been a monolith for the last eight years. I think he has changed it, Roman. I think he has adapted. But the problem is that I don't think that the magic is there anymore. He's not, you know, I think he's always going to be a talent. He's not adapted in a way that's got brought him success at the level that he was before. He has. Of course not. No, because of course not because football has changed and, you know, playing that style of football, you know, you have to you have to update and keep with the times.
00:14:46
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regardless of how much money you spend on the transfer window, you have to update your ideas. And Mourinho struggled to do that, and he has updated. The problem is that this version of the updated Mourinho, I don't think he's good enough to be at the top elite clubs in Europe to win Champions Leagues or compete for Champions Leagues. That's just how it is. But, you know, I think that he will now go into management. Sorry, go into national team management.
00:15:13
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Well, that's the question now. Where does Mourinho go from here? I mean, there's been strong links to Newcastle. Eddie Howe's under a lot of pressure there. And Brazil national team, very strong links to the Brazil national team. It was Carlo Ancelotti. I mean, Brazil...
00:15:30
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The Brazil Football Federation is even worse than the Italian Football Federation. The way that they run things over there is a complete sham. They've been without an international manager since the World Cup and they've been waiting and waiting for Ancelotti. And now Ancelotti has basically said no to them. He's extended with Real Madrid. So Brazil are there holding their, well, you know what? And they're like, well, what do we do now? And Mourinho is one of the strongest names for that job now.
00:16:00
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I mean, I think personally, like there's lots of rumors of him taking over England as well. Oh, yeah, I saw that as well. Yeah, I saw that. I mean, look, I think that I think the England English football is run too well to appoint Maria. I don't see them seeing Maria as somebody that fits in to their vision of, you know, development and play development and also
00:16:27
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the way they handle themselves off the pitch. But with Brazil, I wouldn't put it past them because like I said, I think they're run so badly. That Federation is run so badly and they're almost chasing a big name now. And they're also chasing a foreign name rather than a Brazilian name. So I think he could be a possibility for Brazil.
00:16:45
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I think, like you, that international management is maybe the best way for him to go now. He's in his 60s now. And as we've said, he's not able to get a tune out of the biggest teams anymore. I don't think he's going to get an offer at one of the biggest teams anymore. I can't see it. I think it would be a mistake for him to go to Newcastle as well. I think he would get along really well with a fan base. Again, us against the world mentality. It's a club that
00:17:12
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It's not part of the football establishment, they're under attack.
00:17:16
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they feel they're under attack and blah, blah, blah. I think he will work there, but I just don't think the Premier League is the right place for him to go. I've also saw some crazy rumor of him going back to Chelsea, which made me laugh, because that would just show what an absolute joke Chelsea are. Well, Todd Bailey, I mean, don't put anything past him.
00:17:44
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No, so, but I just want to reiterate again, I think from a strategic point of view, they've played a fantastic, the Friedkins have played this brilliantly. They've gotten rid of a very popular manager. They've replaced him with a demigod in the Jallorossi part of Rome, who's destined to fail. And then they don't have to worry about calls for him to ever be called again for as long as a manager. They don't have to worry about fans calling for De Rossi once they get rid of him too in the summer.
00:18:11
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when everything goes pear-shaped, which it will. I mean, I consider this season over for Roma now. I don't see Roma progressing very far in the Europa League. I don't think Roma will be in the top four race for much longer. I expect this to go the Manzari route as much as I love. Talking about De Rossi. Talking about De Rossi.
00:18:32
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Talking about De Rossi and what we can expect from De Rossi at Roma, obviously he's only had one managerial job and that was with Spal, and we've had Joe Takapino, the owner of Spal on the pod, and you asked him about him last time he came on. Takapino spoke quite highly of De Rossi, but then he also got rid of him. What can we expect of De Rossi?
00:18:55
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I think what you will see is someone who loves Roma, who will have all the players at every training session fighting for the shirt, what it means to play for Roma. But tactically, he's inept. And I'm not sure he can
00:19:17
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get, I'm not sure, I'm almost adamant that the season's over for Roma. Roma's going to finish 7th, 8th, 9th, something like that and that'll be the end of Daniela de Rossi as a first team manager at Roma. I just don't see it going well at all and I think the freakins are okay with that because what you're essentially saying is now okay,
00:19:41
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They have to, I mean, the reports coming out now that they have to make, they have to raise 60 million in transfer fees in revenue by the end of June to meet financial fair play standards. And to me, that is just essentially a fire sale. I expect DiBala to be sold. I expect Tammy Abraham to be sold. But it's still 15 million euros, you know, 15, 20 million goes a lot way when you've got 60 million you've got to make.
00:20:13
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So I think it's a new project. I think you're going to see a new project similarly to what we saw a few years ago when Sabatini came in. And first of all, they have to find a new sporting director, who in turn then finds a new coach, and then they have to start selling players and sacrificing players to meet these ridiculous financial fair play demands, which only seem to apply to Inter and Roma in Italy.
00:20:37
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and not very many other clubs, because they appeal. For some reason, Romain Inter don't appeal UEFA's decisions. But it is what it is. The Friedkins have spent €800 million between buying the club
00:20:54
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and trying to get the club off the stock market, which they have succeeded in order to be able to have more maneuver room. And now they're in the settlement agreement, which they have to respect, and they have a new project they have to build. It's a very unstable time for Roma. To Roma fans, I say enjoy this period because De Rossi is a
00:21:15
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It's a club legend. You have fantastic attackers up front. Enjoy European football. I hope I'm wrong and that you go all the way and win the Europa League and get yourselves into the Champions League. That will be unbelievable because you're not going to get into Europe any other way. I just didn't see that happening. I find it hard to actually make a prediction into Rossi because I didn't see much of Spal. I know he was sat there and everything, but I almost feel like it's
00:21:41
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it's a shot in the dark. I don't want to come out and say he's definitely going to fail because I've got nothing to go on. Whereas with Matsari and when I was Garcia, that was a guarantee that they would fail. We've seen them in the last decade and they've both been just out of their deck. Whereas De Rossi, yeah, I mean, it's a gamble. It's a huge, huge gamble you're taking on someone. And the thing is that Roma are not
00:22:02
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you know they're only five points off, even though they're down in ninth place, they're only five points off Fiorentina in fourth place for that Champions League spot and also remember that fifth place as it stands will get a Champions League place for the next season as well so I mean they still can recover in Serie A as well but at the same time you know that doesn't mean I'm saying they were wrong to get rid of Mourinho because he clearly
00:22:29
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wasn't getting results, and it wasn't working. I think they made the right decision, I think, to get rid of Mourinho. The question is whether De Rossi is the man who is turning it around. I think it's a mistake. I think they should have kept Mourinho until the end of the season, because at least that way you know that Mourinho's teams always deliver in Europe. Daniel De Rossi will not. I'm very confident in saying that Daniel De Rossi will fail at Roma.
00:22:55
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I don't see this as a long-term solution at all. I see this more as a way of protecting, as I said, it's a strategic decision to get rid of an incredibly popular fan, a popular coach in Mourinho, but you replace him with the second most popular person in all of Romanita, namely Daniel Edorosi. You know that he's probably going to fail, so you don't have to worry about sacking him and kicking him out.
00:23:19
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comment come the end of the season and then you don't have to deal with the generosity nonsense ever again and that way it gives you completely way to say quite the slate clean new sporting project new sporting director new coach here we hear you know here we start here we start from scratch so.
00:23:35
Speaker
Perhaps, but why did you do that in January? You could have done that in March. We'll see. Time will tell. The Milan game, let's talk about it from the Milan point of view. It was a very comfortable win for Milan against Roma and they were completely dominant and in control of this entire game until the penalty that Calabria gave away with 20 minutes to go and then Roma had a little bit of a flurry and a little bit of a
00:24:05
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you know, they threatened an equalizer before Milan put them away. But Milan are, I mean, Pioli was in a position not too dissimilar to Mourinho in terms of, you know, being under a lot of pressure, but now Milan have really turned it around. They've won six, they've got six wins in their last eight now since that Newcastle win. And, you know, domestically at least, they picked it up. Obviously,
00:24:32
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there is the other side that they did get knocked out by Atalanta in the Coppa Italia, which is a big blow, which is a big, big blow, because I mean, now Milan have only really got one chance now of winning a title this season. And that's that's the Europa League. So, you know, I think Milan have really picked it up and they're playing well, aren't they at the moment?
00:24:54
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No, they are. They really are. And I think that there was an instance. For me, it was a bit of a test. I looked at this game a little bit as a test for Pioli and his Milan in the sense that Milan were really dominant. They go 2-0 up. Then Calabria loses his head and does what Calabria always does and puts Milan in trouble.
00:25:13
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They score, Roma score reduced the deficit, half the deficit. Then I'm starting to think, this reminds me of the Milan Roma game last season when Milan were 2-0 up and just collapsed in the final 15 minutes to 2-2. Then I look at, and then I was like waiting, okay, how do Milan respond to this? And they were a bit nervy, there was a little bit of nervousness, but instead,
00:25:38
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We see the individual brilliance pay off, the individual quality pay off with Giroux and Thale scoring a marvelous goal and Milan see off the game. This was a test for Milan and they passed it. They did.
00:25:55
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And to me that shows growth So for this Milan so no Milan are comfortably in third I I still think they will have some part to play in the in the title race because I I'd be very surprised if you've been in that both end up on north of 90 points So, you know, we'll see it means Milan can't slip up basically that's the thing
00:26:17
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No, they can't exactly. They can't afford to mess up anything else. They have to go on a winning run. But what's good for them is that they're comfortably going to finish third. That's good for them. That means they can focus on the Europa League as well, which I hope they take seriously.
Milan's Europa League Ambitions
00:26:33
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And I hope they go far and win. I want an Italian team in the final again of the Europa League. I'm really hoping for that.
00:26:39
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No, I think they have to take it seriously because they have to try and go for a trophy. Milan, if it is a Milan like the past that will always change him for trophies, then they have to always try and at least fight for a title and they didn't win anything last season.
00:26:55
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and you know they don't want to go out with a whimper way off the Scudetto race and out of the Coppertalia and and you know go out early of the Europa League as well. But I mean the positives the big positives from this from this game in terms of the players I thought Giroud was fantastic. I've complained that he's
00:27:15
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not consistent enough now to be Milan's regular number nine. The good performances are becoming rarer and rarer, and this was the Giroud that we need to see more consistently. He scored, he had a fantastic bacchial assist for the Teo Hernandez goal, and he's not been scoring enough, but this was the Giroud that we need to see more of.
00:27:40
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Teo Hananda is of course a fantastic goal. Adley I thought was a really great goal. Did the feint inside. I call that my skill. I said that was my signature move when I played when I used to play Nimah. I used to do that move all the time. I used to feint to shoot on one foot, bring it onto the other foot. The defender would always fall for the dummy and then you shoot with the other foot.
00:27:59
Speaker
That was a lovely call from Adley. I thought Reinders magical at times, some of his little person moves. I really think Reinders with the right coach, maybe it's purely, but with the right coach, I think Reinders has got a really high ceiling. If he's developed, he needs the right coach, the right environment, the right setup, the right kind of football.
00:28:23
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I mean, you know how much I rate Adley, and I love these little runs and bursts that he does. He's got so much talent. The more I look at this Milan, the more I just think that we are headed for the... I mean, some people say Tiago Mota, that makes more sense from a Jerry Cardinale and the perspective of, you know, young and blah, blah, blah. And also that way you can also kind of guarantee that Joshua Zirkse will prefer going to Milan.
00:28:54
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But I still think Antonio Conte is, if you want to win the scoretto in the next year or two, you go for Antonio Conte. Because Tiago Wotta has never coached at a big club before, even though he played it many, many times. Yeah, it's an interesting one. Especially as Milan, and we'll deal with this now, we're going to talk about it after, Milan are also looking to try and sign
00:29:14
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that
00:29:31
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want him. We know that Buongiorno would like to move and move to a big club and his numbers this season are fantastic as well. He's in all the main categories in terms of tackles, in terms of interceptions, in terms of aerial challenges. He's right up there with everyone. Buongiorno, he's been one of the best defenders in Serie A this season. He's right up there. He's been fantastic and also had that great game also for Italy, didn't he? And that
00:30:00
Speaker
that crucial Euro qualifier against Ukraine. He played in that game, didn't he? And he played really, really well in that match. So with Bonjour not, the question is, I mean, I hope that Milan sign him, if Milan sign him, I hope he's signed to play in a back four because that's what I want. I want our defenders to play in back fours because for the Italy national team more than anything else.
00:30:26
Speaker
Milan are going for Buongiorno? It does make you think the fact that he plays in a back three for Torino, it does make you think, are they signing in for Antonio content? There is that question to ask, isn't there, with Buongiorno. So maybe, maybe it's possible.
00:30:41
Speaker
We'll see, we'll see. Yeah. Okay, right. Let's move on to Juventus and the most recent games. That was on Tuesday night. Juventus win 3-0 against Sassuola. It was a game that I don't think Juventus played particularly well, but they were so comfortable and that it barely broke sweat throughout the game. Because it's all dreadful. They really are an awful side.
00:31:08
Speaker
They didn't play well. No, they didn't offer. They are awful. Let's be honest. Well, they're awful, but they've beaten three of the big teams in Serie A this season, including Juventus and Inza. Well, because you've choked against them and you've choked against them away as well. They are an awful side and they will need to do something because if it weren't for the others being as bad as they are, they could really, really be
00:31:33
Speaker
You know, there's a real chance of that. And it's strange to say that, but they are really poor. And Consiliy had one of the biggest shockers I've seen. He was at fault for all three goals, particularly the first two.
00:31:51
Speaker
I mean, they've got Crannio in goal. I don't understand why they don't give him a chance. I mean, he can't be... I don't like Crannio either, to be honest with you. Well, I prefer Crannio to Consili. I think he knows Consili because he is on the ball with his feet. He's absolutely insane. He means like the Italian onana with his feet. I mean, he's brilliant, like some of the pastors he does. But I mean, yeah, it doesn't help if you let him goals like he did against the Juventus. But I mean, look, talking from the Juventus point of view,
00:32:19
Speaker
They were 2-0 up at halftime. Do you know what the XG was at halftime? 0.27 XG. And they were 2-0 up.
Juventus' Victory and Vlahovic's Impact
00:32:28
Speaker
Juventus actually didn't create a chance in this game until the 75th minute when Kieser cut it back for Weyer and he put it over. That's actually the first chance that Juventus had in the game. They didn't create anything but
00:32:40
Speaker
They also conceded nothing at all. They were rock solid. They organized their structure. And once they get ahead, Juventus, they seem to have this allegory, has this knack of being able to just kill games in terms of just like almost, it's almost like they sap the strength and the energy out of the opposition to be able to do anything. Like it's just like one of those superpowers that, you know, where you just take the strength out of the opposition.
00:33:07
Speaker
and take the sting out of them. But, you know, we have to look at Vlauvić because he was the guy that really, with the events he was not playing well, he was the guy that broke the deadlock in this game with a...
00:33:18
Speaker
I mean, it was an excellent strike, left foot, beautiful left foot, but yes, it's virtually in the middle of the goal. Conceal you should do better. The second goal, the free kick, it's a brilliant free kick. It's fantastic. You just don't see many, I mean, you don't see many free kick goals anymore. It's, I mean, it's partly, I think, mostly down to the footballs. They're all plastic, these plastic
00:33:40
Speaker
plastic beach balls that people just don't seem to be able to get up and down anymore. Maybe the pitches as well, because they're semi-plastic, symmetric pitches and you can't get under the ball, you can't get under the ball as well.
00:33:57
Speaker
take a free kick on concrete and then try and take a free kick on real grass you'll see the difference you'll know what i mean maybe it's that as well maybe it's just that players don't practice it enough maybe it's that play maybe it's also partly what i've been saying for a long time and that is that football is moving away from skill to athleticism
00:34:14
Speaker
just like that as well yeah the individual skill and technique and also i think it's it's also down to and i know this for a fact that it's actually because football teams they have all these stats stats teams and they look at the numbers of how many goals are scored from long shots and also from free kicks that the numbers are so low that they're also teaching players just not to shoot in i mean an open plate just don't shoot from long range because the chances of scoring are so low
00:34:41
Speaker
there's actually a higher probability rather than taking a long shot from thirty yards and just keeping the ball passing out wide and put a cross in or trying to one two or trying to three ball there's more chances of scoring that way than there is and so they're drilling that into teams to put to play as a shooting less from from long range but
00:34:59
Speaker
I mean, free kicks is a slightly different dynamic, especially when there's a chance from, like, say, right on the edge of the area, but you just don't get. And I think that's what makes football one of the reasons why I don't enjoy football as much nowadays as I do in the past, like these kind of beautiful, artistic things, like long range goals and like free, brilliant, direct free kicks. You just don't see them much anymore.
00:35:19
Speaker
No, skill. The individual skill has gone down. It's more about athleticism. It's all about system, systematic. And that's great. I think you can have both. I just don't like seeing skills sacrificed at the altar of systematic performance. It's gone too far. And that's why when you see a free kick like this, even though, again, I think Considio should do better. He doesn't move his feet enough. He didn't actually have to travel that far. He's still a great free kick. I mean, it's a fantastic free kick.
00:35:48
Speaker
it's off the bar and in. He's put it in a great area. He's whipped it in with a lot of pace. It's a fantastic free kit. A good keeper, a top keeper, saves it, but I don't want to take anything away from Blau which these are two fantastic shots and it shows the left foot quality that he has in that left foot. He has a special left foot. He has a left foot that there's only a few players really in European football that have a left foot that's better than that. You're talking a Messi or Di Bala or
00:36:15
Speaker
or, I don't know, a Harland or, you know, there's not many players that can shoot with that left foot, with the power and accuracy that Wlawicz can. So this was a, even though the keeper should have done better, this was a demonstration of that. And in general, again, talking about Wlawicz, he's becoming increasingly more decisive with his performances. He, as we said last week or the week before, he's
00:36:40
Speaker
he's got that more, that determination, that serenity. Mentally, I think he's taken a leap recently. His hold-up play wasn't as good in this game as it was against Romic. It was mixed. He had some good moments where he held it up and laid off. He also had some, the odd heavy touch here and there. But his hold-up play has definitely improved as well in recent weeks. So, yeah, you have to say, you have to take your hat off to Wlawić. I mean, for me, he was the one that really
00:37:07
Speaker
was the difference in this game because, as I said, Juventus didn't actually create a clear chance to the 75th minute. It was Vl Jović scoring two goals really almost kind of out of nothing really. So, Vl Jović becoming an important player for Juventus again.
00:37:21
Speaker
No, he is, and he's becoming decisive for Juve, and building this young Juve continues to take steps in the right direction and proving that Allegri can work with kids, and that this is a serious title race. And as I said before, I think Juve are going to win it. I think Juve are going to win it. I think this is going to be Allegri's greatest miracle as a coach.
00:37:46
Speaker
And I know before people stop, stop pissing and moaning about, Oh, he's the highest paid coach in the league. And they they're paying the highest wage bill. I'm quite aware of that. But I think as Fabio Parratici, his career has demonstrated that you were spending lots of money doesn't necessarily translate into spending money on quality. So no, I don't you can't tell me sit here and tell me that you went to squad.
00:38:09
Speaker
is qualitatively the best in the Serie A. That's ludicrous. It's not. They are interses on paper, and I think we could also argue Napoli's is. But what you are doing because of Allegri is that they've got a structure in place
00:38:24
Speaker
They've got a very organised structure in place. Bremer has really come to his own this season. He's been arguably the best central defender. He's been incredible, hasn't he? And he's starting to prove what a fantastic player he is and what he offers, and that stability in the system, and also integrating young players into this, and Vlawic giving him the time to succeed.
00:38:47
Speaker
as giving him the time to fail and allowing him to learn from that and consistently going with that and systematically grinding teams down. One thing that's been very, very important in the last weeks, in the last, let's say, last three to four weeks is, and I said this in December in the pod, I said, look,
00:39:12
Speaker
is unsustainable for Juventus to keep winning without their attackers contributing. Juventus went through this long run, probably six or seven games, where they just kept winning 1-0, 1-0, 1-0 thanks to goals from headers, from defenders or from midfielders. The attack contributed nothing. I said,
00:39:34
Speaker
The attackers need to score. If Juventus are going to actually try and stay with Inter and try and challenge them for this getter, the attackers need to start scoring, and they have been. In the last three to four weeks, the attackers have started to score. Vlalvic has scored two here. He's been, like I said before, he's really picked up in the last month. Middic scored three in the Coppertalia last midweek. Yield is, of course, has had this breakthrough with the
00:39:59
Speaker
with three goals in the last month and Kiesa as well come back on the score sheet in this game. I believe, I'm not mistaken, this is the first open play goal that Kiesa scored since that defeat to Sassuolo back in September. That's how long Kiesa hasn't scored in open play. He did score a penalty in that draw against Genoa.
00:40:22
Speaker
in Serie A. So I mean this is crucial because there are going to be games where you don't play well or they are tight and that's when you need your attackers to score and like Vlalovic did in this game also.
00:40:37
Speaker
to produce a moment on their own, out of nothing, to break the headlock. That's what top players are for. That's the difference that the top players make, and that's what you need from your attackers. So, you know, that is very, very important. And also there's Moisakine as well, who will have to see what happens if he goes out on loan. I would keep him personally. I think keep, I would keep, from you at this point of view, keep him, have those five players, because that's a lot of potential
00:41:02
Speaker
firepower you've got there between now and the end of the season. I know from Keene's point of view he might want to leave to guarantee more playing time. With the Euros from Italy's point of view it's probably better and from Luciano Spelletti's point of view it's probably better that Moisakine leaves certainly on loan till the end of the season but from Juventus' point of view I'd keep him. There's potential goals, there's a lot of potential goals now in the in the Juventus attack so that is very very positive and it just completes the circle really from that four one feet in September to Sassuola where
00:41:31
Speaker
I mean, everything was a complete mess. Even since they've had a bad start to the season again, everyone's thinking this is just the third season in a row like it's been under Allegri. And now since their record since then is played 17, won 14, drawn three, lost none. And they've only conceded six goals in 17 games, which as I said the other week is comparable to Insta's defense. It might even be better than Insta's defense in that time period, not overall the whole season. So, you know,
00:41:58
Speaker
It's looking good. Now they have the chance to go top. They have to beat Lecce at the weekend because if they beat Lecce at the weekend with Interplay in the Super Cup, they go top of the league and then they start to put pressure on Inter. Then we start to see what will Inter be like.
00:42:13
Speaker
behind with the game coming in the beginning of February at Inter versus Juve in Milan, it creates another dynamic, especially from a mental point of view, which is probably Juventus' strong point, I think, is the mental point of view right now. It's exactly why I think that you will win the Serie A this season, because playing once a week and going ahead of Inter, even though they have one game
00:42:39
Speaker
played more, with Inter traveling to Saudi Arabia, this ridiculous cup. And then in the Champions League, I think it's going to have an impact. I don't, you know, but for Inter's perspective, then Inter just have to repeat the first opening half of the season, meaning, you know, if they draw Juve, they don't have to beat Juve.
00:43:00
Speaker
They just need to draw Juve and to beat Atalanta at home in that game where they've got in hand.
Inter's Title Race Struggles
00:43:07
Speaker
They're masters of their own destiny, but it does put pressure on Inter. I think that Inter in these situations, I don't think that this Inter, from ownership to management to players to coach to everyone, they've never been locked in a title race with Juve. They don't know what that means. They don't understand the dynamics of that.
00:43:28
Speaker
And I hope I'm wrong and that Marotta's ice cold calm leadership is able to break that spell. I just don't think it will. I don't know. We'll see. It's fantastic. It's fascinating. I think that there's no doubt into definitely the clear favorites. They've got the better team. They've got the better squad. They've got the better attack. They've got the better defense. They've got
00:43:51
Speaker
Despite what you said, they've definitely got more experience. That's seen by the players, the experience against the Champions League. On this event's team, not many of them have even won a Scudetto. None of them, very few of them, have been in a title race at all. Only a very few players, whereas inter-players have.
00:44:08
Speaker
goes in into favour in terms of quality and experience and everything. But Juventus obviously playing once a week is big, is very important, especially in terms of going deep in the Champions League, which I really believe they're good enough to go deep in the Champions League. They've got the quality, there's no doubt about it. Which is why. That will take it out of them later on. But it also depends how far in to go. In terms of getting knocked out in the last 16, then of course the dynamic changes again. Which is why.
00:44:34
Speaker
which is why I'm hoping and praying that Inter lose to Lazio on Friday in the Supercoppa. I think this is a completely irrelevant tournament. I would have rather played Atalanta and I hope that they don't go deep in it. I hope they punt it.
00:44:50
Speaker
I I really don't know that a fourth playoff, right? It's just no it's just semi-final then fine Yeah, same final final. So I hope interplay on Friday and I hope when's the final when's the final if they go through think oh, I think it was on Tuesday or Monday or Tuesday, I think it was Tuesday I think so because if I remember correctly The the second semi-final is on Saturday, isn't it? I
00:45:16
Speaker
I thought it was Thursday and Friday. Oh yeah, you're right. It's Thursday and Friday. Sorry. Um, let me say it's probably Monday or Tuesday, the final day, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Let me just see. Yeah. It's the, yeah, it doesn't, it's, it's Monday. It's Monday. It's Monday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Monday evening.
00:45:33
Speaker
Yeah, Monday evening. So for me, from that perspective, I hope Inter loses, because again, look, Inter have already won the Super Cup twice, two years in a row, having beaten Juventus and Milan, and those are the only times the Super Cup ever matters for Inter, you and Milan, is when they play each other. Other than that, who cares? Especially when you're locked in a title race, a title that you really want to win, and then you have a great chance to win. So for me, punt it. Couldn't care less. I, you know, let Lazio and Napoli have a chance. You know, good luck to them.
00:46:02
Speaker
Yeah, okay. Well, on Inter though, I mean, they were absolutely fantastic against Monza. 5-1. They had an XG of just under five as well in this game. I mean, totally dominated. You could see from the first five minutes, they were going to absolutely run right in this game. They were creating chance after chance right from the first whistle. They're now the second highest scorers in Europe this season. 49 goals behind only Bayern Munich.
00:46:29
Speaker
And if Inter are to win the Serie A, this is exactly the kind of response they have to give to all the nonsense from last week's Bastoni bullshit that we all had to listen to. This is the kind of performance I want to see week in, week out in the Serie A. Whether it's Monza, Juve, Roma, Lazio, Helas, whoever. This is the kind of performance I want to see from Inter. I want an Inter that goes out there and
00:46:57
Speaker
you know, shows who's the boss against these lesser teams, these smaller teams. And one thing they've done, which I noticed in the Monza game, as opposed to so far this season, is that Inter have kind of played long gaming games. They kind of, you know, said, okay, the game is two halves, it's 90 minutes, we don't need to bum rush and destroy the opposition.
00:47:21
Speaker
within the first 30 minutes. And that's kind of been a stressing factor for them. Or the fact that they used to do that in previous seasons used to become a stress factor for them because they used to create chance after chance after chance, they didn't score, the opposition scored and they mentally started hanging with their heads. But so far this season has been another way around, we've seen a maturity. But that has also led, which is what's so difficult about the Serie A, is that your opposition reads you quickly and then they start adapting to you accordingly.
00:47:50
Speaker
So what Inter did and Simoni and Zagi did in this game was to say, no, actually, we're going to go for it from minute one. And they did. And they absolutely, I mean, Paladino said it best after the game when he said that, look, Inter just didn't give us a second, didn't give us an inch to breathe. And, you know, they were all over us from the first minute and they completely dominated.
00:48:10
Speaker
um and and just showed that this is that you know imposed themselves on the opponent especially if it's a smaller team away from home and one deservedly you know um they were outstanding and and and the if they are to win this corretto if they are to win the seria this is how inter have to perform they have to understand that a win against milan is worth as much as a win against monza away and
00:48:39
Speaker
they have to treat every single game like a cup final in the Serie A. And it's for that reason that I don't think that if they're, you know, this Super Coppa and the Champions League, I don't really care. I really want them. It's so important when they've gone out and said that they want to win the Serie A, that they actually win the Serie A, because that's not good for their belief and confidence if they don't win it. So
00:49:04
Speaker
you know, this is what they have to do. This is the approach, the mentality, the attitude they have to have, if they are to win this Serie A title. Yeah. And Lazaro, again, two more goals, 18 now. Taram, another golden assist, and his partnership is incredible. Chalan Ogli, I mean, who said it before. Unbelievable. I mean, he's the best central midfielder in the league. There's no doubt about that. And he's, I mean, so lethal from penalty. He didn't score the second penalty. He'd already gone off, hadn't he?
00:49:31
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that's what it took. Okay. All right, because I did write down that he had broken the record for Milito's last time, but he didn't take the second one. So that's what I was wrong. He's so good at penalties. He's so good at set pieces. He's long shots, as we were saying before, that he's basically the way that he the cleat that
00:49:49
Speaker
He's so clean with the way that he strikes the ball. He's a fantastic player. He really is. I have to say, Monza have been awful this season. They've been a real big disappointment for me this season against the big clubs.
00:50:11
Speaker
this this season it's the big clubs they they've been dominated by inter home in a way 2-0 and 5-1 beaten by Juventus 2-1, thrashed by Milan 3-0, thrashed by Atalanta 3-0 beaten by Roma 1-0 they were lucky to get a draw against Napoli and they drew with Lexi I mean they've been so bad this season I've been really disappointed by them as well I was as good as Inter were I have to say I've been
00:50:35
Speaker
have been disappointed by Monza. Palladino, I think, has taken a bit of a step back this season. He was somebody that everybody was talking so highly about last season. I've been disappointed by them this season. I think they're much more open this season. They're easily to carve out this season than they were last season. You've seen that because you've seen more attacking youngsters coming through and making a name for themselves. Caraboni, Colpani, Churia, etc.
00:51:05
Speaker
That's part of it. I think it's also with Monza that they... I don't think they had the best transfer market either, I think. If you look at the players they lost last season, they lost Vela, they lost Sensi, and then if you look at the players they brought in in defence,
00:51:24
Speaker
You know, Dan Prozzio has passed it. Cal De Rolla, I don't know where this revisionism has come with Cal De Rolla that he's some kind of great player all of a sudden. He's not. And we saw that in this game. He's really not a good player. He has a couple of good games. He scores a couple of headers off corners and all of a sudden people think he's great. He's not.
00:51:44
Speaker
and then Caliadini played in defence in this game. I don't know what the hell that was all about. So yeah, I don't know. I think, and even Pesina has, I mean, he's been dropped from the Italy squad. He's, I know he scored, God, we've got this allowed, but yeah, he's not been the same player that he was a couple of years ago.
00:52:03
Speaker
and they're not getting much out of their attackers either. I've been a bit disappointed with Monza, even though they're quite comfortable. No, I've got to be honest with them. I'm not disappointed with Monza. They're smack in the middle where I expected them to be. I'm a little bit disappointed maybe with how they've fallen through in some games, but overall, I think they're having a season on par with exactly the kind of season I expected them to have, if I'm perfectly honest.
00:52:28
Speaker
Let's move on to Napoli now. Napoli get out of jail, beating Selenium Turner 2-1 with a 96 minute winner off a corner from Rachmani. Is this the goal and the result that turns their season around them?
00:52:47
Speaker
I think that's too soon to say, but it's definitely a win that they desperately craved. I wonder if they had not won that game, Napoli, how De Laurentiis reacts to that, because it's... I mean, you don't beat Saler and Itana, you don't, who are dead last,
00:53:16
Speaker
then you're in trouble. But they did win. Some would say they were lucky. Others say they deserved it. It doesn't matter where you stand. It's still not a good performance by now, if you ask me. I think there are still questions to be had. And now they go into the Super Cup. They're playing Fiorentina on Thursday or tomorrow. We're recording this on Wednesday.
00:53:42
Speaker
And then, you know, they won't play again until the 28th, where they play Lazio away, a direct rival for that fourth spot. And then they've got Verona at home and Milan away and then Napoli at home and then the Champions League. So they need to put points on the board and they manage to do that. And at the end of the day, that's kind of all that matters. But again, not an impressive performance at all by any stretch of the imagination by Napoli.
00:54:08
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, if we try and look at this positively, they needed the win. They needed the points. It's crucial. And you look at now the top four races we're going to come to now, you know, they're right there. They're right back in the top four race. And and they they're on. Well, they're still done in eight, but they're on 31 points. And if you haven't seen her with 34 points. So, you know, they're right in there. So they needed the win.
00:54:39
Speaker
Some might say that maybe a draw or a loss in the long term might have been better if it meant that Matsari was going to get sacked. That's probably my school of thought. But yes, it wasn't good. It was an abysmal first half. They created nothing. They went one nil down.
00:54:57
Speaker
They were lucky to get a penalty in injury time of first half out of nothing. It was one of those modern penalties that Mourinho was complaining about that was similar to the one that hoist and conceded against Lazio in the Coppertalia that got Lazio the win against Roma.
00:55:14
Speaker
and you know that the patterns of play, the attack was pretty impotent with the exception really of Claret Scalia who was trying to do it all alone which was didn't work but did at the end. He went on two fantastic runs at the end and shot one that he should have scored, another one which he was just really unlucky. It just doesn't feel like a team anymore. It feels like they're not playing as a team.
00:55:38
Speaker
There's no cohesion. There's no cohesion at all. There's none. It literally is 11 individuals. And it's remarkable how this has deteriorated, how quickly it has. Yeah, it wasn't good. It wasn't good. I mean, defensively, they conceded nothing in this game. Kendraver scored another one the goal, which he always does, against big teams. That's the positive. But at the same time, you've got to remember this. Who are they playing? They're playing Selena Tana, bottom of the table.
00:56:06
Speaker
You know, and don't get me wrong, I feel awful for Selena Town. They've been so unlucky this season. I was going to say they are so unlucky. They conceded 90 injury time goals. I think they're the team with the most points dropped from winning positions this season. So many of them late goals to cost them. I feel awful. I felt so sorry for inside, but you could see he looked crushed at the end.
00:56:26
Speaker
And I thought it was a really nice touch, as much as I criticise McMenter, I thought it was a beautiful human touch for him to go over to Tinsagie and give him a hug before even the final whistle had been blown. When the goal went in, he went over to him, he gave him a hug, just to say, well, what can I say? I'm so sorry. He was almost apologising. I thought that was really, really nice. I felt awful for him. But from Napoli's point of view, yeah, you shouldn't be struggling like this.
00:56:56
Speaker
Yeah, I don't see anything from this to suggest that they're going to turn it around. I don't. I really don't. Also, Clarence Galia and Osseman are out of the next game against Lazio. So is Anguisa, of course, because he's at the Africa Cup of Nations. Can you see them beating Lazio in form at the moment without those three? I mean...
00:57:15
Speaker
I can't. I can't either, but at the same time, I don't trust Lazio, and so...
Napoli's Defensive Concerns
00:57:25
Speaker
I don't, but I mean, who's going to play up front? Zerbin? I mean, what is this obsession with Zerbin? I mean, this is another criticism I've got to make about, not about Mazzari, but about De Laurentiis.
00:57:37
Speaker
and the transfer market has been so bad this summer. Lazio, let El Mas go before the January transfer market started, right? He knew that Anguisa as well was going to the Africa Cup of Nations. This is a Napoli midfield that was already short. So they've had to start the first games of 2024, so short on sentiment builders that in this game, they had to start Cayuste and Gaetano against Saleni Tana. I mean, that is just unforgivable. If you're gonna let El Mas go, fine.
00:58:04
Speaker
you have to have a replacement in for him already so that you can go into your games with available options, not playing Gaetano and Cayuste because you've rushed to get him out of the door and you haven't brought in a replacement. It's embarrassing. It's always amateur management from De Laurentiis and the
00:58:21
Speaker
I mean who the hell is I don't even know who's in charge of transfers I have no idea who's making the calls it's such a shat it's such a mess there I mean that's just I mean Causa's vision is abysmal his vertical passes his his his I mean there was the second half there was an example in the second half where he had an easy ball across the six yard box for a tap in at the far post
00:58:42
Speaker
and he was on the left-hand side of the penalty area. All he had to do is put it across the box, tap in at the far post, and he passed it backwards so that people are behind him. He just does not see things at all. But it wasn't just him. It wasn't just him. It's just, yeah, Gaetano came off. I mean,
00:59:02
Speaker
Is this what's come to for Napoli? I know they're signing players now. It looks like Ungonj, whose name I always butcher every time, is coming in from Verona. And they're obviously trying to sign a sentiment field, a Sammetsitch, Conay, but they're struggling with both of those. But yeah, I just wanted to highlight how bad the management has been with the transfer market, that you let Elmas go and you don't have replacements for him.
00:59:34
Speaker
100%. I've got nothing more to add. You're absolutely spot on. Spot on. Yeah. I do want to, again, I feel like I do this at least three or four times a season at Kendraver again.
00:59:46
Speaker
Again, I mean what a goal, what a goal. His record against big clubs is insane. I've talked about his long range shooting and how insane his long range shooting is and how he's been one of the best in Europe in the last decade of scoring goals from outside the area. This season though, against the big clubs, he scored against Roma twice, Lazio, Milan and Napoli this season.
01:00:09
Speaker
And last season he scored against Inter Juventus' Lazio Roma Atalanta. And this is for Salahitana, the bottom of the table. And he's scored six goals this season already for the team that are bottom of the league, playing from, you know, wide midfield.
Candreva's Goal-scoring Prowess
01:00:24
Speaker
And he turns 37 next month, I mean.
01:00:27
Speaker
I love the guy. He's just, I love him. I absolutely love him. I know interfans like yourself, obviously being an interfan, you're not going to have the same look. I just love the guy. I really do. I think he's amazing. I think he's absolutely amazing. And this was another fantastic goal from him. No, it was an absolutely stunning goal. There's no doubt about that. It was it was it was genuinely unbelievable. It was it was a beautiful, beautiful work goal. But no, look, it's
01:00:57
Speaker
This is the thing with him, that it's been the problem with him in his entire career, hasn't it? That he kind of always...
01:01:05
Speaker
Like he can't deliver at the biggest clubs and biggest stage, but he's too good to be in a mediocre club either. It's like, you're kind of difficult to play. Stuck in between worlds. Yeah. Stuck in between worlds. And, but he, I mean, his long shots are ridiculous. It's just, he scored some insane goals. And he can lace them, but he can also curl them like he did in this one. He can do both. No, I've seen him score mad goals, both.
01:01:31
Speaker
for Inter as well. Absolutely insane in goals. I love him. I hope he keeps playing. Right, let's have a look at the top four race now. Let's go through this a little bit quickly because we're running out of time. So let me first of all read out the table because it is so, so tight there in the top four race. So we have, obviously, the top three are way ahead. And we have Fiorentina in fourth, 34 points, Atalanta fifth, 33, Lazio 6, 33.
01:02:00
Speaker
Bologna 7-32, Napoli 8-31, Roman 9-29 and then even Torino in 10th on 28th so there's six points between 4th and 10th and and five points between 4th and 9th so it's really really tight and then the results involving the top four teams this this latest round were Genoa Torino 0-0 and
01:02:30
Speaker
Napoli of course winning 2-1 against Selenium Turner, Lazio winning 1-0 against Lecce, Bologna losing again, they're on a bad run now, they've lost 2-1 to Callery, and then Fiorentina drawing 2-2 with Udinese and Milan losing 3-1, sorry Roma losing 3-1 to Milan and Atalanta thrashing
01:02:52
Speaker
frosting on a five nil. Um, so I just, I'll, I'll roll, roll, roll, run through these. So at Atlanta, first of all, they've won seven of their last nine games in all competitions. They're in great form. Um,
01:03:17
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It's a difficult one, isn't it?
01:03:31
Speaker
But maybe. How long do you let them keep losing like this? Well, that's the thing, though, if if if we're if they're really if I think maybe I think I'd still want to give him a little bit more time. But unless something changes, yeah, it's it's time to do something because they could really, really be relegated despite all the great things they've done. It could be worth nothing. Yeah, for perfectly honest. They're so open every game.
01:04:03
Speaker
The beginning of the season they were open, but they weren't like they are now. Now there's XGs against them of 4-5, like, regularly, which is just insane. Lazio, I thought, were fortunate to beat Lazio. They didn't play well. They were very flat, as I think Sarri said even before the game, but they've got five wins in a row now.
01:04:24
Speaker
and they're getting results. There's been a mentality switch there, I think, for lapsing. Obviously beating Roman the copper is massive for them and their fans as well in the semi-finals of that. I think it's no coincidence what this resurgence of form is. It's obvious what it is. They're not playing in Europe now because it's stopped. They're playing once a week. Okay, there's the copper game, but when they're only playing domestically, that's so you can handle it. They can't handle playing two competitions.
01:04:51
Speaker
I honestly think it's as simple as that in terms of being up there to challenge the top four and not being down in the table like they were before.
01:05:01
Speaker
I think there's truth to that. I think there is truth to that. There is some truth to that. They're going to be out of the Champions League soon because they won't stand a snowball's chance in hell against Bayern Munich. Now they can focus on the league and they are doing it. They look once again like a side that
01:05:23
Speaker
will challenge for for a top four spot the problem is i wonder if i'm starting to think can they actually do it now do you know i mean like i'm starting to think i think it's yeah it's it's too easy to every week say oh i think it could be this team this week could be this team this week could be this thing this week because like everybody's given us reasons just to to doubt them if you know what i mean i'm sorry i think napoli will finish in the top four i still think they'll turn it around
01:05:51
Speaker
But I think Fiorentina and Atalanta will drop off. I'm going to go with Napoli and Lazio, 4th and 5th. I'm ready to discount Fiorentina, Bologna and Sereno, but I think Atalanta, Lazio,
01:06:10
Speaker
And I even think Napoli and Roma, as much as they're a mess, total mess with the coaches, coaching situation, I wouldn't rule them out either. So I think it all depends what's happening each week. But Bologna definitely had a downturn in form now. They really have. They've lost their way. And one thing about Bologna is even when they were doing well, and don't remember, they were my dark forces to finish in Europe, not Champions League, but in Europe this season to start.
01:06:37
Speaker
They don't score many goals at all. They have one of the worst attacking records in Serie A, actually. Well, they're a bottom half team. They're attacked this season in terms of goals. So they don't score enough goals, Bologna. And that means I think they might drop points, draws when they should win. I agree. I think that's fair. I think that's fair.
01:07:02
Speaker
OK, I'll just read out the other the other result was Verona 2, Empoli 1, which makes the relegation race even tighter now. It's it's it's it's it's a hornet's wrist and hornet's nest. And this weekend Saloni Tana played Genoa. And if they win that, I mean, oh my god. They have to win it, don't they? Yeah, they do. They really they're they're six points off safety now. I mean, they're they're they risk being left behind. Hmm.
01:07:32
Speaker
Which is a shame, they don't deserve it. They deserve to be higher. And in many ways, I feel like Solerne and Terna have more quality than Empalim Verona and even Callery. I feel like they have more qualities, but they also have a lot of gaps in their team as well. So it's going to be difficult for them. It's very, very tight at the bottom.
01:07:52
Speaker
Just before we go on to, you know, two quick segments before we do Bad Joe, Prem Face and Sarias of the Week. First of all, I want to do a profile. Shall we do a profile or shall we leave it? No, let's do it. Let's do a profile. Okay. Well, we're done with it.
01:08:12
Speaker
It's right there. This is great content to listen to. Here we go. Here we go. All right. Okay. So who is Kenan Yildiz? Juventus' Turkish del Piero. So let's profile Kenan Yildiz, who's been the breakout star.
01:08:33
Speaker
of Juventus this season, 18 years old. And he's been compared to, of course, the Juventus legend, Alessandro Del Piero. I died inside when they saw that comparison. Like, can we stop with these ridiculous prim face style comparisons? Like, just because he celebrates with his goal, with his tongue out. It's absurd. Like, stop.
01:08:55
Speaker
Oh, God, I just I'm not even a human teen and I just cringe. I just want to lie in the fetal position and take a hot shower when I hear this nonsense. The two of them have a very much a bromance going on. Yeah, well, that's that's great. But he's not the new Alessandro del Piero. Can we stop that, please? Oh, my God. I hate it when they called us the Iranian Messi. There's nothing. I want to stop. Stop this.
01:09:22
Speaker
Okay. All right. Well, let's talk about position. What position is he playing? So he's an attacker, midfielder, winger, or attacker. He has played as an attacker in a two-man attack for Allegri. But he is very versatile and flexible. He can play in different systems. And he also has the attributes, I think, certainly, to play these different roles. And he joined Juventus as a 16-year-old in the summer of 2022. His contract at Bayern Munich run out.
01:09:52
Speaker
and Juventus were fighting it out with Barcelona to get him on a free transfer and Juventus managed to sign him at the time when Bayern Munich was signing Dilict from Juventus. At the time this was considered a massive coup for Juventus because he was considered one of the best in the world for his age and he's worked his way up through the under-19's of UVA and then the next gen team
01:10:19
Speaker
and but he was you know it's been clear that for those that watched him in those teams that he was too good for that for that level and there was some frustration early this season actually that he wanted to play in the first team he wasn't getting his chance and he was there was even questions that he could leave in January in order to get those opportunities he actually made his
01:10:40
Speaker
his debut for Turkey, his full debut for Turkey before he made his full debut for Juventus. He did play some sub appearances earlier in the season for Juve, but it's only really in the last month that he's absolutely exploded. He's got a brilliant goal against Frosinone just before Christmas. He cut in from the left-hand side in between two players and he smashed it in past the goalkeeper.
01:11:05
Speaker
And that made him the youngest foreigner to score for Juventus ever. And since then, he's scored two more goals, two more, both of them fantastic goals. And one in the Coppa Italia, again, cutting from the left, like Del Piero used to do, and lashing it in. And also, he volleyed in a really good volley. This was a very underrated volley that he scored against Frosinone again in the Coppa Italia last week. It was a
01:11:34
Speaker
God, I'm going to die inside saying this, but it was like a Platinie pass from Western McKinney. Like he stopped. This needs to stop. Like this needs to stop. It was a Platinie pass. Like it kills me to say it. Yes, it was a fantastic pass. It wasn't a major pass from McKinney. And the volley, he kind of scissor-kicked it in mid-air, facing forward. Yeah, it was beautiful. Brilliant technique. It was a beautiful pass.
01:12:00
Speaker
Yeah, and he has fantastic qualities. The control he has, his technique, he can beat a man, he can go right and left.
01:12:10
Speaker
he you know he can shoot and like I said before very flexible tactically he seems to be he seems to have a good attitude and temperament um I mean Allegri famously told him he had to cut his hair because it was too long and he got it cut straight away the next the next game I love Allegri going around telling people to cut their hair I love it
01:12:34
Speaker
It actually has a point though, because he said that he counted, Allegra says, I was standing there counting him how many times and he touched it like 10 times in the space for a few minutes. Like the concentration and just even be fully concentrated on the game, don't be touching your hair. So I can't even get where Allegra's coming from.
01:12:54
Speaker
I think if there is a criticism that maybe he wants it too fast, like he needs to be able to have a bit of patience sometimes, but I do. I do. Yeah. You can see that there's so much quality, so, so much quality. He's, I mean, Allegri said that he's going to become a great player. Montela says he's going to be, he's going to be well-class.
01:13:16
Speaker
And there's been a lot of, there's a lot of quotes, some of them sensational, some of them comparing him to Ronaldo. Some of them comparing him to Del Piero. But he's, he's a, he's a huge, huge talent. He's 18 years old. Yeah. And it's the, it's, it's, that's what I find so interesting again, is this, this next, you know, part of this Juventus next gen, you know, thing that they've got going with lots of interesting talented players who are just now, you know, starting to show who they are.
Kenan Yildiz: A Rising Star
01:13:45
Speaker
And he's one of them.
01:13:46
Speaker
I think he's a really exciting player. I really enjoy watching him play. He seems like we were just talking about how the new modern footballer is not so much skill, but it's more power and physique and less technique, but he's quite the opposite, isn't he?
01:14:02
Speaker
He does have the skill, but that can happen at teenage level and sometimes it does get coached and drilled out of you. They tell you, don't do this, don't do that, don't shoot from long range like I said before. Don't try and do back hills, play the high percentage, don't play the low percentage. So we'll see, that can happen.
01:14:22
Speaker
um that can happen with players but yeah he's a big he's a big time you can tell some players you can just tell straight away with him and yeah but you know there's there's an interesting player there we'll see how he develops but i i quite enjoy watching him play to be honest yeah i mean he's already in the turkey team he's going to go to euro 2024 um there's been a lot of a lot of questions about you know the interest in him from Arsenal Liverpool and Arsenal are interested in him um
01:14:48
Speaker
There's no chance, first of all, there's zero chance they've signed in this month, obviously. But I think looking ahead, summer and beyond, this is a player that you've entered looking to build their future around players like this, like Gildes. It's their new policy of the club. And he's, I think, more interested in who's gonna be sacrificed for him in the summer. I said earlier in the show that Moisakine could be
01:15:16
Speaker
May more likely to be alone, but be offloaded.
01:15:20
Speaker
this month because of Yieldez's emergence. Well, who is going to be, somebody is going to be uploaded, at least one of Juventus' players. Unless they go to, let's say they go to a, you know, a leg release and they go to a three-man strike force, then it's possible all five could stay, maybe, in a different attack. There's more space for them. But it's likely that one of the five will leave in the summer.
Kieza's Contract Situation
01:15:45
Speaker
And, you know, there's also questions about Kieza because his contract runs out
01:15:49
Speaker
in 2025 next year and they still haven't signed a new contract and if they don't sign a new contract by let's say by the euros or by the you know let's say july then um yeah there's a possibility that that they could look to cash in on him because they're not going to risk losing him on a on a free so yeah this yields this development has a lot of knock-on effects for sure for others in the event's team
Sven-Göran Eriksson's Tribute
01:16:18
Speaker
Before we do Badjo Prem Face and Serias of the Week, let's just, just a word for Sven Gore and Ericsson, who announced in the last few days that he is suffering from terminal cancer. And he, I mean, it was, it was, in some ways, very, very tough interview to watch, but also,
01:16:46
Speaker
kind of in a strange way, but it was such a beautiful interview in that just showing what a beautiful person he is and what an amazing person he is. And he was very open and honest and said, look, best case, I probably have a year or so to live, maybe months. But he also was very philosophical in that it kind of shows you life and that a good day for me is just waking up
01:17:15
Speaker
And it's good for me if I wake up and I feel good and I can enjoy every day. And it just shows you that, yeah, I mean, he's just such an amazing guy. It was just so sad. I love what La Jena did, that 13 minute video. They traveled to his home in Värmland, where they, in Sweden, where they
01:17:39
Speaker
the journalists had brought with him food from Italy and they cooked carbonara because that's what he loves and they just had a chat over food and then of course after they ate they played
01:17:55
Speaker
They played messages from his former players and many of whom have become managers and the journalists said to that, they said, look, you've got Conseisao, you've got Simonin Zaghi, you've got Dostankovich, you had Mihailovich, you've got Lombardo and Mancini, you've got Diego Simeone, you have Alessandro Nesta. So many of your former players
01:18:19
Speaker
on our successful coaches and very successful coaches and you know, what did you teach them? What do you hope that, you know, what did you teach them? And he said, and his response is just so quintessential whose phenomenon is that I hope I taught them how to be a good human being and to treat others with respect and build and build a strong group that way. And that's that is so
01:18:41
Speaker
him. That's just how he's been. He's never once been the guy who humiliates players and yells at them and kicks stuff around and stuff like that. Of course, he got angry, but it was always about leadership by consent. This very typical old school Swedish kind of speak to someone's minds and hearts, win them over, win their minds and hearts over, and they will build a group that way.
01:19:07
Speaker
Um, and you could tell that, you know, Stankovic and Vieri were crying, you know, their tears in their eyes. I love the format of that video as well. The way that they went to kind of the panini book from the Scudeti winning season. And then I, they had the, it kind of went into their.
01:19:22
Speaker
into their photo and then they appeared out of the photo on video to say, it was beautiful. You could see the tears in his eyes. Like, he was here after, I mean, it was, it was again, another, you know, another
01:19:41
Speaker
demonstration of how there truly is no one in who can, who more sincerely and more heartfeltly and more beautifully and honestly pay tribute to their heroes as Italian football does. It's unique and no one else does it. And it's so beautiful and to see and everyone, you know, he was, you know, he won everything with
01:20:08
Speaker
that there was to win with Latu, it was the most successful stint as a club ever. And then to see that emotional and Stan Kovich, that emotional and consistent. But you only have that when the person is a great person as well. You can be a fantastic manager, but in the day when your health
01:20:27
Speaker
isn't good and, you know, you don't get... I mean, it was so sincere, like you said. No, it was. It was beautiful and it was moving. It was incredibly beautiful. But yeah, it's... A very, very, very kind person and we obviously hope that, you know, he can live for much, much longer. He's come onto our podcast twice and he was very, very generous and with his time.
01:20:55
Speaker
And he's always been like that, always been very generous to people and had a lot of time for people. And he's, yeah, just a great person. Yes. Lovely man, a lovely man who, one of the good people in football, who's always been very
01:21:12
Speaker
treats everyone the same and views everyone, you know, doesn't do, you know, treats, has a view on life and uptake on life, which is very healthy and very traditional to the to the Sweden that I grew up in, which unfortunately no longer exists.
Upcoming Segments and Highlights
01:21:30
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, well said. Right, let's finish off with Badjo, Prem Face and Celia Ass of the Week.
01:21:37
Speaker
Okay, so two bad jays. The first we've already said, and that was the tribute to Sven. And I mean, just just how beautiful it was. But the second bad show that I have was a great moment of sportsmanship from Lorenzo Dickman, the Brescia player, who basically had a running on goal. And
01:22:01
Speaker
he stopped play when the Modena, his opponent from Modena, Shady Wakada, pulled up with an injury and instead of continuing to attack at Golan and trying to score, he stopped and he knocked the ball out of play and that was a great moment of sportsmanship from Dickman.
Sportsmanship and Humor in Football
01:22:25
Speaker
Brilliant.
01:22:27
Speaker
Yeah, nice one. Yeah, he wasn't a dick about it. Oh, hello. Yeah. Yeah, that was great. I remind me of Deccanio, German Deccanio did that in a, in a West Ham game, where he had a chance to score and somebody was injured on the floor and he just picked up the ball. And that was like a year after he'd pushed the referee over. So like he'd got you went from the worst sportsman to the best sportsman in the space of the year. You know, in between with that guy,
01:22:54
Speaker
There's never anything in between with him, for sure.
01:22:59
Speaker
OK, prim face of the week. Oh, I've got I've got I've got two. The first one is our dear good friend Max Rushton and his podcast where they compared Cole Palmer to Kakar, which is just chef's kiss. Yes, they did. No, thank you to Mike Lazar for sending that. What's the comparison? He sent it in. He DM'd it to us on their podcast and Mike Lazar sent it to us.
01:23:29
Speaker
And I died a little inside. He's quickly listening to it before we started recording today. Cold Palmer, they call him. They call him Cold Palmer, because he's like cold from... All he does is call penalties. Cold Palmer doesn't do anything else. It's a penalty merchant. It's 32 minutes in. He sent it to us on the link, Michael Lazar. So thank you for sending that in.
01:23:52
Speaker
So it's in our DMs, you can check that. And then we have Sky Sports, which we alluded to in the beginning. And I think it's one of the funniest things. I just couldn't stop laughing. When they refer to Daniel De Rossi as Daniel De Rossi. Daniel Rossi. I think it was Daniel De Rossi, but they called him Daniel, and I couldn't stop laughing. If they didn't have the death in it, and that's
01:24:19
Speaker
all-time top three Hall of Fame. If they call him Daniel Rossi without the dare, I mean it's bad enough Daniel Rossi, but if they call him Daniel Rossi then that is... I think it's hilarious. I absolutely love that. Was it one of the presenters? Yeah, it's one of the presenters.
01:24:39
Speaker
It just made me laugh so much. I could not stop laughing. And it just, I was hilarious. I've got two. This one, I think you sent this one to me. This is brilliant. So this is the TNT graphic promoting the Africa Cup of Nations. TNT are basically the replacement of BT sport in England.
01:25:02
Speaker
And they were doing, they put up a graphic to promote the Africa Cup of Nations, which started, I think, a weekend. And they had, they were trying to show all the African players that play in the Premier League that are at the tournament, which they did, only that they also included an Iran player in that. Yeah, Sol Mangrode Dus, who plays for, I mean, he plays in the Premier League, he plays for Iran, but he's a Premier League player. And it's like, he plays for Frankfurt, doesn't he?
01:25:33
Speaker
Yeah. Oh man, brilliant. And the second one was a good friend, Jamie Carragher, who was having a debate with Gary Neville on who's been the team of the year, like the world team of the year, I think this was. And Carragher went for Messi.
01:25:57
Speaker
And then Gary Neville said that he wanted Venetius Junior in and he explained how he's had 35 gold contributions this year. And then Jamie Carragher responded, it's a joke league, a joke league. I don't know what Maxine is. What did Real Madrid win? That's what he said. So he called La Liga a joke league basically. Venetius Junior cannot be in the team of the year because
Critiquing Serie A's Social Media Approach
01:26:25
Speaker
Vinicius Jr. plays in a joke league. The funny thing is, is like literally a couple of hours after he said that, Vinicius Jr. scored a 38 minute hat trick in the Classico against Barcelona. Yeah. He spat in the face of Jamie Carragher, let's say, with that hat trick. Oh dear. Seria asks of the week to finish off.
01:26:52
Speaker
Right, I've got two, both from the Serie A Twitter account. Do you have anything? No, go for it. So the first one is an image of Domenico Berardi with his hands in the air. I don't know what, when, this wasn't the Juventus game, it was the game before. And then it had the caption, after further review, touchdown.
01:27:14
Speaker
with an American football. Yeah, that was the idea. That was so cringy as well. I don't understand what that's referring to at all. No idea. Anyway, another Seriat Twitter account post with an image of Selena Gomez speaking to Taylor Swift in a kind of a gossipy kind of way, a kind of
01:27:39
Speaker
you know, kind of Chinese whispers, oh, you know what he said, she said, you know, like one of those kind of images. And they put a picture caption in quotes. So Wes left you they on loan, but then came back refreshed and back to assist yesterday. I think it's just one player of the month. The USMNT boys are on fire.
01:28:01
Speaker
I don't know what that is either. It was very cringy, but apparently it's a meme that's going around because I don't know. They are very cringy, aren't they? This is the Serie A official Twitter account. This isn't like the Serie A America. They have a North America.
01:28:20
Speaker
twitter account on instagram no no on instagram they've got a separate account yeah but they have they have that on twitter as well no no all right so it might be the americans the americans that are running that maybe they are like i have no problem like with for the american audience doing that but i mean just this americanization again like what we said no but they've done the right thing there on on um
01:28:43
Speaker
on Instagram. They've created a North American account to pander to the North American audience. That's fine. That's perfectly fine. Do what you need to do. But when you do it on like, when you say it's a Seria English account, it's to all English speakers and half of them are wondering what the actual F is. It's not just for English speakers. I've been in the mix for the whole world. English is the language. English is the language of the world language. You know, it's the language, my spoken language.
01:29:06
Speaker
I think it's my spoken language of the Chinese, Chinese, but, you know, most countries anyway speak it. And so, you know, is is is you've got to cater for everyone, not just an American, an American audience.
Podcast Schedule Updates
01:29:20
Speaker
And, you know, I don't know how many times I have to say it, but. Yeah, there we go. And if you are going to do American stuff, which you can do from time to time, of course, that's fine. I mean, yeah.
01:29:36
Speaker
It is what it is. It is what it is. But it's very, very cringy. And it just makes no sense. And it's like, for me, that Selena Gomez, Taylor Swift video image of them gossiping was just, I literally felt like, you know, don't leave your phone unattended near your teenager kind of thing. I mean, like, memeing like a teenager is just
01:30:02
Speaker
Yeah, it is what it is. Yeah, it is. Okay, right. Let's leave it at that. Another long episode today.
01:30:13
Speaker
We will be back next week. We can't promise another episode this week. We're trying to set up something to do a Mercator deep dive this week, but it depends, obviously, if the person we want to talk to has time. So, you know, just bear with us. But next week, we will definitely be doing one on Monday, a review show of the weekend.
01:30:35
Speaker
We will be doing a Q&A show on for the Tuesday. And then we'll also be doing a very exclusive interview, somewhat related to the Sédias content that we always produce week in week out. It's an exclusive interview. Watch out for that. And then, of course, on Thursday next week, we'll be doing a midweek review as well. So, yeah, we'll definitely doing we're doing quite a bit of content to make up for the last weeks, which have been a bit of a mess due to illnesses and stuff like that and schedule clashes. So, yeah, bear with us.
01:31:04
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, we will. We will be doing more. We'll definitely be doing more. And we'll certainly make it up to you guys. Don't worry about that. Okay, right. Let's leave it at that. Enjoy the rest of the week. And we'll see you next time. Ciao ciao.