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Social Media Trends & Why They're Bad!
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In this weeks episode, we discuss toxic and unsafe social media trends and how they affect our dogs.
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00:00:00
Speaker
Those sob stories being so dangerous. Those rescue stories are dangerous because it's excusing a lot. You see it all the time with like the Halloween costumes and people think it's hilarious to scare their dog. That's not how we introduce things. The first year, don't take your dog anywhere. Focusing really on that socialization is super important. Not trying to hate on anyone. Like if you use talking buttons with your dog, you just want to do it the right way. So what you want to do with the talking buttons is And if excitement is the only thing that the dog knows around your kid, it's so scary. That's where kids get trampled on. It's definitely not going to help in the long run. You're going to have behavioral issues and posting it on social media as if it's very cute and whatever it is. And we have to change some of our own behaviors. Let's worry about what do we do now that we are here.
00:00:53
Speaker
Hey guys, welcome back to the One With Dogs podcast. Today we're sponsored by boston Boston's Butt. Why do we both say it? That was weird. Hey guys, welcome back to the One With Dogs podcast. Today we're talking about social media trends and why they're bad.
00:01:09
Speaker
Yeah, we definitely like see so much on social media, good and bad, a lot of it bad. So today we're here to like debunk and dissect like exactly what's going on um on social media. We're gonna show a few videos and talk about a few things.
00:01:27
Speaker
So the first one I would say, which is kind of like recent with the holiday season, is just people, you know, getting overly, you know, excited about like wearing costumes around their dogs.
00:01:42
Speaker
Yeah, you see it all the time with like the Halloween costumes and people think it's hilarious to scare their dogs with the blow up costumes or even you know you put out a ah a reindeer or something and they laugh, they film it. They don't set their dogs up for success. They don't desensitize their dog to it at all. They just, ah here's this huge issue.
00:02:05
Speaker
Deal with it. I don't care how you feel. Yeah. ah Oh, it's funny. My dog is barking scared at it. That's not how we introduce things to dogs. Like if we did that same thing to to kids, life would be really difficult for them all the time. Maybe that's why we have kids the way they are right now.
00:02:25
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, it's definitely you it's not good to focus on that fear aspect with the dogs and like putting them into that fear space. ah You know, that mindset is just not healthy. And yeah, we see it on social media all the time. And it's you know, it's especially prominent around this holiday season. We just had Halloween. We're, you know, ramping into, you know, Christmas season. And so like blow up things in the in the lawn or just around, you know, it's it's.
00:02:55
Speaker
cool your dog ran away and is scared of the thing yeah great work work at it like let's not let them just be scared of things yeah this dog here boston uh right after covid she was like not out as much as we probably could have been but we started like working on like walking down the the street and our neighbor had like frogs They were brand new and she doesn't like change. So she was like, Oh, she freaked out. So instead of like letting her live in that fear of those things, we walked by those frogs probably like a hundred times until she's like, Hey, they're no big deal. They're just things that are, I walk by yeah and you know, that happened probably a hundred times that first couple months. Um,
00:03:38
Speaker
where she was scared of like the garden gnome lawn thing ah for no reason, you know just because she you know was like, whoa, what is that? you know It happened a little bit when she was younger with trash cans, and it was just you know something that we were pretty aware of.
00:03:53
Speaker
and Because we got her in 2020, we really made a point to not allow for her to be that COVID dog. um We wanted to socialize her and get her around as much you know people, dog sounds, um things, you know as as much as possible. So you talked a little bit about like how we desensitized her. um What's a good tip on people like when holiday season's coming up? What should they be doing?
00:04:19
Speaker
well first always stay away from it's okay it's okay like trying to console your dog while it's going through something like all you're doing when you're petting her saying it's okay is telling you good job for acting so weird good job for being scared of this thing what i want to do is if your dog has obedience let's feed off of that obedience. Let's have her calm, sit, yes. Let's praise her for following through with commands and giving her rewards for doing something positive instead of being scared or running away from something that she should absolutely not run away from. There's no reason
00:05:00
Speaker
to be scared of a guarded gnome. There's no reason to be scared of a blow-up Santa, so let's not feed into it. So first thing I would say is go back to basics. Work around it. If I have to back up 50 yards away from said thing that's making her fearful, I will. I'll cross the street, make sure she looks good, and then I'll slowly, slowly, incrementally get closer.
00:05:29
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And once she's closer, have a reward for doing what I want her to do. It's not like, just heal, heal, heal, it's heal. Yes, good girl. Dude, yes, that's what I'm looking for. Not punish, punish, punish.
00:05:45
Speaker
Absolutely, yeah. you know I think um especially with the winter months, too, going to Lowe's or Home Depot and doing those exercises, if you like if you don't have those things in your yard or your neighbor's yard, like go to Lowe's, go to Home Depot. They allow dogs and we love going to those places because it gets the dogs around things and you know different things that they're not used to. People, sounds, different surfaces like the flooring and different things like that.
00:06:15
Speaker
and Don't wait do that right away like don't like ah I had a that tell a client like the first year Don't take your dog anywhere Like, whoa. No, like you can take your puppy. They shouldn't interact with everybody or any, you know, dogs. Don't let it lick random puddles of water, but take it places. It needs to have life experiences. So that way when they are six months, the first time that Halloween comes, right? If you, they're born in April, never seen really anything over the summer. Boom.
00:06:48
Speaker
Now there's a scarecrow in my neighbor's yard or a skeleton that goes, wow like they're not like freaked out because they've been to Lowe's who sells these things and I can walk by them and introduce them on my terms. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's great to get your dog out when they're early. Like we did with, like we did with Boston.
00:07:09
Speaker
Um, and all of our dogs, really. So I shame on the vets and people that are telling people, no, don't take it anywhere. Like, no, take it outside. Do things that are safe. Like Jacob said, don't, don't interact with puppies when it's not vaccinated, but like, you know, you can, you can get it out and about in a safe manner, um, without putting its health at risk and, you know, focusing really on that socialization is super important. So.
00:07:35
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Um, definitely, you know, super important. So and real quick, but before you move on, like rescue dogs to like. After you've done the decompression of like the first couple, you know, the two days, two weeks, two months thing, you need to start getting that dog out there. So it's not just that it's a puppy, but you should be working with it within that first two weeks to two months and getting obedience to where you need it in a bubble without anything. But then you need to start increasing those distractions as soon as possible, yeah right? Like, cause they need more.
00:08:12
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Like, the the leaving excuses of like, oh, I rescued this dog, which we'll get into later, have have lasting consequences to your dogs furthering their obedience.
00:08:26
Speaker
Right. Absolutely. Like, again, that COVID dog syndrome, it's a real thing. We get dogs all the time that, you know, have behavioral issues because they were purchased or, you know, raised during COVID. Boston is a COVID covid dog, but, you know, she doesn't have the same behavioral issues because we knew, well, we got to, you know, we got to take her out. So we were outside parks, places that we were allowed to go and did the things that needed to happen to desensitize her. So yeah, our next topic I wanted to talk about like dogs protecting ah Or kissing newborns and like the yeah we yeah, we just had a big post We just made it a whole podcast on on kids, but man, I see it every day there's a new post of this excited puppy licking this dog's face or
00:09:16
Speaker
Oh yeah this other yeah this other kids face or you see it like oh like My dogs protecting my kid and like it's like oh, that's super fun. What about when dad needs to change the diaper? Yeah, like it's not cute No, it's not cute. You know, there's, um, there's definitely a line, you know, when it comes to that. And, uh, yeah, dogs, dogs protecting baby from like mom and dad, like the parents, it's just not, it's not healthy. Uh, it's definitely not, you know, going to help in the long run. Um, you're going to have behavioral issues and like posting it on social media as if it's like very cute and and whatever. It's just like,
00:09:57
Speaker
no don't do it Yeah, stop doing that get a trainer. Oh, like go through the sequence of like how to get this kid and this dog in a better relationship for the future because you know, like if you're talking about a six month to two year dog that they're gonna be around for a long time with this kid and if excitement is the only thing that the dog knows around your kid that's what your kid is gonna get and that is so scary that's where kids get trampled on or oh they were best friends for like the first four years or oh he just would follow him around when he crawled but now that he's standing he might you know then now we have to worry about him biting the kid
00:10:37
Speaker
Because the kid can grab them and do all these things. it's like And they've only known excitement. That's not but's not good for your relationship. The dog should be calm around the kid. Loving.
00:10:49
Speaker
calm and that's when my dog gets to interact with my kid is when they're calm not when they're excited right like do you know what I don't want our daughter to ever do I never want our daughter at least for a couple years to let our dogs out of the kennel we've allowed them to be pretty excited when they come out of the kennel so they're they come out hot our kid will get seriously hurt if she opens their kennel so she's not gonna be allowed to open the kennel because I don't want her to get hurt. Absolutely. Yeah. No, that's definitely something that like if you are interested in that topic, definitely go back to our first podcast to listen to that because we talked for a long time about
00:11:35
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just dogs with kids, what to do, what not to do. And so it's definitely a really good, you know, important topic. But yeah, we just wanted to talk about the social media. I saw a video recently and I mean, it was terrible. It was terrible is absolutely terrible.
00:11:51
Speaker
dog the licking a kid's face. I mean like on top of that like again I'm gonna read we said it in the last podcast but if I'm not gonna let my aunt or my brother kiss my daughter why am I gonna let this dog who again who knows what they just licked who knows what they're doing outside kiss my kid on the face. Like it's so scary that we allow these things and I see like people who I know and love letting dogs lick the inside of their mouths and I just think it's wild.
00:12:20
Speaker
It's pretty gross. It's pretty gross. They can they have parasites and, you know, the amount of clients that I have that maybe have never had their pair like their dogs parasites checked. I mean, it's it's not a risk you want to take. That's pretty gross. Yeah. I mean, how many times the first time someone's like, Oh, I didn't know.
00:12:39
Speaker
that they're getting their fecal checked is because you ask them, they're like, oh, I didn't know I had to do that. I didn't know I had to do that. You know, maybe the vet sends you home with like the, you know, just the the general, um you know, container. But who are we really listening in those meetings and like what that means? Because I remember before I was, you know, if I had taken the dogs, they would have handed me that and be like, cool, huh? Yep. Whatever. You got the vaccines right now. Whatever you get done there that moment. Yeah, if the dog poop take it but I'm not bringing up me You know me I like vomit if I see dog poop. Yeah, or like have to pick it up Yeah, I'm gonna put it in a vial and carry it around with me. No, nope now I mean I will if I have to but it's very much have to like Poop is gross. We gotta pull we gotta pull some teeth to get that talking about poop even gross right now. We gotta to move on
00:13:31
Speaker
Yeah, let's move on, yeah. So sob stories, rescues. Yeah, I mean like I'm not gonna like name names upon like of things but like on social media you see all the time these sappy stories and they like tell it like so cinematically and like tugging on your heartstrings to like donate or whatever but they tell you these stories or these dogs And I'll be really honest, it doesn't matter where the dog, why the dog's here in this situation. What really matters is what are we doing for the dog to put it in a better situation moving forward.
00:14:10
Speaker
because that's so much more important to me than just telling the story. right like We could tell a sad story. like Bones was given up three times yeah and was loose on the streets. he has He has every reason to be reactive to squirrels and to pull you down. Baby lived in a tent.
00:14:34
Speaker
baby had like the worst story. And yeah, I mean, it definitely could have allowed for us to like really just focus on that, that sob story that like, Oh, well, she is a rescue. You know, she was, uh, neglected, you know, she had, we lived in it. We did live in it. We lived in that story and we felt so bad for her, but it just, the behavior multiplied absolutely yeah in that, in that space.
00:14:58
Speaker
It escalated, definitely. And you know from dog professionals that are telling you the age what to do, what not to do, we we did those things. We ah you know tried to console her when she was scared. And then I was like, well, she's she's aggressive. She was showing aggression.
00:15:17
Speaker
I mean, even before, after consoling, before even working on it, we still just tried to like shelter her. yeah Like, oh, let's take her out at night. Oh, let's, let's, uh, put every form of barricade on the windows so she can't see out. Let's kennel her at every single moment. Let's let her go under the bed because that's where she wants to be. And all those things just, she escalated and got the worst version of those things. yeah right So like if she saw anything when we were out, she would react. Instead of like you know in the beginning, it was just like if she saw someone close by, she would react. But by the end, before we started like really tackling the issue, because we felt bad, because this is what we were like shown in the media of like what to do with our dog, all of a sudden, baby was reactive to like the wind. yeah And then she was causing more and more fights with bones. And it was it was awful.
00:16:10
Speaker
It was pretty bad. You know, she was reacting to like a person, maybe 50 yards from us, where like you said, it was super close up. So it was, it was really difficult. Um, you know, we needed to get help like outside help for her, you know, and, and the first step was, uh, really just unlearning those bad habits of saying it's okay to her and consoling her when she was scared.
00:16:35
Speaker
And we have to change some of our own behaviors, yeah because I'm a very excitable human. I'm a huge sports fan. I'm just very passionate about things I'm passionate about. So when I explode, I explode. And those would set her off. So I have to calm down. have to calm down.
00:16:55
Speaker
you know like i so like ah She was reacting to my reactions. So I had to kind of like pull back my reactions for a little bit because I I can't change who I am so we had to kind of desensitize her though, so like So it all started back with getting some sort of foundation so we went ahead and we tackled her training which Felt like forever It did, it definitely, I mean, shes she's older now, but it felt like felt like a long time. It was all worth it. you and We hear a lot with our clients that are you know kind of in that same boat with their rescues. you know They'll give us a call and I find two two different things. So they wanna, let's say it's a rescue and I hear a lot, you know hey, this is the story about the rescue. And maybe we're a few years from,
00:17:49
Speaker
them rescuing the dog um we could be four or five plus years from when you rescued your dog and or still talking about this or they're saying they rescue the dog at six or eight or ten weeks old and saying that they don't know what happened before they got the dog that's that second part your dog if you get your dog at that age 12 weeks old that's on you like and your dog is six years old and still aggressive that's that's Nothing happened before you got it at that age yeah that's causing this new behavior. No. No. no you've You've done something. You missed the mark somewhere. And it's okay. Like we said, we missed the mark before. yeah But let's let's not worry about the story. Oh, I found them in an abandoned blah blah whatever.
00:18:37
Speaker
Let's worry about what do we do now that we are here, all right? And it always goes back to let's start with the foundation. Let's create a foundation. Let's find a way to work with this dog. Let's find some common ground and then let's build some trust, build some obedience, and then let's leverage that relationship that we've created and it's exploit it.
00:19:05
Speaker
yeah and whether that's like you're doing that on your own or you send it away a trainer and you and you need some help with that you know we've we've helped so many people with their rescues i look back i bet you babies turn around would have been quicker if we knew what a board and train was back then to send her away get that fresh restart And then us come from a place of like, oh wow, I saw someone take my dog out in public. I saw someone take my dog out of a kennel. I don't think I could have done those two things. And then coming from that place of confidence to work with her, you got that confidence.
00:19:41
Speaker
Just from you taking her out, you had a lot of success with her. and And so she was extremely reactive with me specifically, but you were taking her places. She was able to do things that I never would have dreamed that she could do. And I was like, what what's my problem? So then I focused in on what you were doing with her. um And I realized my own anxiety and fear of her reactions and emotions were causing more of her reactions.
00:20:11
Speaker
then if i had not had been so emotional yeah so like just to reiterate like you these stories they're really just here to pull on your hearttring to get you to donate money to get you to to pick up to call the phone to call to foster this dog. But know that that story should end with you, if you're gonna call, if you're gonna donate. It should be to solve that issue of whatever that problem is that dog is having, not to feed into the problem the dog is having. Because if we're just feeding into it,
00:20:46
Speaker
That's going to be an endless money pit because there's going to be another dog with the same problem that we're not going to fix. And we're going to throw medications. We're going to throw, you know, all this, all these resources that the rescues don't have at this dog that at the end of the day, probably needs a strict, Hey, stop doing that. Come here. Yes, that's good. And, and move on.
00:21:11
Speaker
Absolutely. yeah excusing Excusing the behaviors is where we see that um those sob stories being so dangerous. Those rescue stories are dangerous because it's excusing. It allows for people or gives them the theme of excusing the behaviors that their rescue does because just because it's a rescue, just because it had this story, that that's so just is so beyond the truth. With Baby, I can't excuse her behavior because of her story. Or I'm gonna get sued. Yeah.
00:21:44
Speaker
Or like, I'm going to live in anxiety every day I take my dog out? No. Like, I just don't like doing that and I don't want to live that way. Because of her story, we have to do X, Y, and Z, which was older to a high standard. And now, I mean, she has a pack of, you know, four other dogs where she was super dog aggressive to everybody, every every other dog other than bones.
00:22:07
Speaker
Um, she's met so many people. We have so many people that, you know, our staff, you know, other trainers, kennel texts, um, friends, family that she adores and has done so well with because we were like, this story cannot allow us to excuse, you know, I'm going to do X, Y, and Z yeah because of where she came from to make her the best dog she can be. And same with bones bones was, um, you had kind of mentioned, he was,
00:22:32
Speaker
Yeah, I mean it's like the further away if we get from it like the harder it is to remember how bad bones was I mean There's a whole house in Royal Oak that we just don't even talk about because he like ruined it, you know He chewed through doors. He dug every spot of a hole that there could be he ruined all the blinds He was he pooped in my ugg boob He was a psycho. He was really bad and people meet him today and they're like, Oh my gosh, I love bones. I want bones. And I'm like, dude, you do do not want to know bones years ago when we first got him. Not to mention his farts. Yeah. I mean, he was, he was a lot. I would, you know, try to do the right things. I'm trying to walk him before we had to go to work. And you know, he was getting out of
00:23:15
Speaker
He could chew through the leash in like 2.5 seconds. yes I mean how many purses did he chew through? So many purses. Dude was like a straps. $20,000 dog. So much damage. Like within like a couple months. And a laundry list of issues, separation anxiety, prey drive, um you know digging, barking.
00:23:36
Speaker
Couldn't walk on a leash. Yeah, it couldn't walk on a leash. All of the things that we hear daily from clients just, you know, who are listeners, right? Yeah. And so, um, yeah, I mean, even even with him, like we knew, okay, well, he's just, he's been a stray. Uh, he does have pretty crazy high, high prey drive. And because of that, you know, because of what he has, we have to, we have to, but you know, but like prescribe.
00:24:03
Speaker
training. Yeah. And I remember, um, I still remember the call like, Hey, this is a blah, blah, blah daycare. Uh, you can come pick up your dog whenever cause he can't stay here. Yeah. Like just within a few hours we tried him at a daycare and yeah, he he could not be there. So, and it's so funny because we, um, how we got into dogs was we ran, we ran a daycare yeah and he did great. He was there every day.
00:24:32
Speaker
Three months later. Three months later. After he had solid obedience and you were working him like a board and train every single day. Yeah. He knew place, come, sit. And so he was able to, you know. Be more balanced. be more Yeah, be more balanced. He knew no. You know, a lot of what he didn't know was cues, social cues. Yeah, he would just run up on dogs and like, they would be like, stop it. He'd be like, I don't care. I like you. I like every dog.
00:25:00
Speaker
and they're like get away and he would not take a cue. I always love it thinking about our two dogs is that like we always talk about like babies like your personality and bones is mine like I'm all social and I would talk to everyone but sometimes I get myself in trouble by talking too much too much and then you're like a little guarded and you're a little protective. yes yeah spicy Spicy. Yeah, that is funny. Dogs, I i did hear that dogs can, um, I don't know, personality who, who takes the traits. I don't know, yeah who but who follows who, but it does happen. Yeah. You are excitable. Like bones, social, like bones and, um, you know, like that FOMO cause that's how bones is. Like he could be in a room with like 20 dogs, but if there's a dog that he can see that's not playing with him, like, you know, behind behind the fence or whatever it might look like.
00:25:55
Speaker
that like And that's you. You'd be talking to people and then like there's someone that's not talking to you. like ah Like a client dropped off earlier while I was doing stuff. and You couldn't talk to them. I couldn't talk to them. I would have loved to talk to them and had a good time. but do have to do work. Yeah you have to sometimes be pulled in different directions so yeah and then baby yeah same thing with me I'm like you know pretty pretty relaxed and you're very animated and I'm very relaxed so a lot like her where she just comes she wants to bundle up and be on the couch and blanket it's kind of me I want my like
00:26:30
Speaker
Yeah, I can't believe you don't have a blanket right now. I know. One of these podcasts. Thank God the heater's running oh high right now. I'll have a blanket one of these times or maybe my hot chocolate with marshmallows. But but definitely, you know, before we get too off track, one of maybe the last topic, I don't know if I have, I don't know what we got, but this one's a big one so it might take up a little bit more than this. right So talking buttons.
00:26:59
Speaker
Talking buttons, i you are way more passionate about this than me, but I still, I still find them obnoxious in the sense of like, there's, you should probably only have one in your house and it should be go potty. Like any other one, like, like you're doing too much.
00:27:19
Speaker
I agree. i i This is a big thing on social media, and you know it's it's one that like we've used for dogs who have trained with us for Go Potty. Go outside. i have I just saw a little video of one at the Ferndale location of this little, little tiny dog that Zoe's training, and it's clicking Go Potty outside.
00:27:38
Speaker
Yeah, Nala and Coco. and they're you know they're like Nala's a little bit younger than Coco. Coco's an older. like It took Coco a couple di years a couple days to kind of figure this out. Yeah, she's four or five years old. She's a Yorkie, and you know she's been pad trained for all of her life. And so changing that, you know she needed the the full two weeks. And so did Nala. Nala being a puppy, she was just... following suit and so once we taught them the button they were super excited about the button and then we taught them to go outside so so that's kind of why I'm ah passionate about the talking buttons and why I think the social media trend and like just the general trend and I again I'm not trying to hate on anyone like if of you use talking buttons with your dog you're not bad like you're you you just want to do it the right way and so what you want to do with the talking buttons is um
00:28:28
Speaker
associate the talking button with an action that your dog shouldn't just mean you're when I don't give you a treat. Right. It shouldn't be swear words. Like that's okay. It's funny. And like, that's a lot of what I see on social media. It's funny. And like, you're, maybe you're getting likes and views and stuff. And that's, that's cute. But like your dog doesn't know what it means. Right. So, you know, let's say you want to teach that button. Your dog's only doing it because it got rewarded for hitting that button.
00:28:58
Speaker
you know So if you've taught your dog to hit the B word button or the swear word button, it's it's not doing that because of any emotion other than the the the reward that you gave them, the attention you gave them. and um so So why I don't like this trend on social media or wherever of the talking buttons is is really because of that. people aren't teaching it associated with a task or an action. you know I could teach Boston a button that was outside, so she knows like if hey she hits that, I can hear that she wants to go outside. you know if she's If it's potty, it's potty. If it's treat, you know if you're teaching the button treat, you're giving a treat to your dog. you know You're going to that treat area. So they learn that association with that word. yeah
00:29:48
Speaker
I guess the thing I associate with this too is the people who sign language to their dogs and you see these people like doing full sentences or full words that they're writing out with their hands.
00:30:03
Speaker
I sign language with my dogs too but it's down. It's very simple hand signals. You could do like stay like they can know hand signals but they don't need to know they're not going to they're just waiting for that last command right they're not they're not listening to you say Oh, I love you so much. whatever i don't i don't I don't even want to be rude right now, but yeah I don't know how to sign. But your dog's not listening to you sign. like They're not watching you. They're looking for the last cue that's associated with a treat or an action or you know a consequence. there're They're just looking for that last command. yeah So you know keep it simple, guys. Word, action. like that's That's all I have to say about that.
00:30:49
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, battle those verbal commands. He, you taught him English commands and then during COVID taught him German commands because we have multiple dogs and we wanted him to have a different command. He only knows those commands based on the action that he was in. So, you know, a sit is a sit and down, he's laying down, you know, he he feels that physical action and he knows, you know, just the, the general, um, you know, hand signals, which is really helpful.
00:31:16
Speaker
ah for like scenarios where let's say we're through like a window and he can't necessarily hear you or or when I'm on the phone when I'm on the phone talking and I want to tell him to lay down without you know interrupting my thought or the phone conversation I'll just you know give him that hand signal so I mean obviously like if if you are deaf and you know you use the sign language it's a great benefit to be able to do that with your dog um but people who maybe aren't I mean it just keep it simple use hand signals because your dog is really only looking for that last that last word or signal sign rather.
00:31:57
Speaker
Yeah, I think you said that might have been our last topic. There is one thing I want to touch on. Ooh, OK. Yeah, this this week we saw a post go kind of viral within our community. um And it's just you know our dog training echo chamber talking smack. But there's real life consequences to posting our our content of like why we show what we do with a lot of the dogs is you know dog trainers should be putting out happy dogs who look happy. The amount of dogs that should look scared and shut down, especially off leash or with using a tool should be zero because we shouldn't be doing that with them. Like there needs to be steps to engage a dog and create the dog we want. I mean, how many dogs have left our training, Liz, that
00:32:53
Speaker
like we're like hey like he needs to come back when he gains more confidence we're going to help you get this dog more confident and when it does it's going to act up but we'll be here to help you and then we can push it further absolutely yeah i i don't know how many but like a good handful you know plus like you know obviously it's not It's not every dog a one size fits all. It's not cookie cutter. We get dogs that have so many different issues, but also their temperament. They may be you know a shutdown, like already not very confident being in in different environments. So yeah, I mean that that definitely kind of allows for us to help those particular dogs because like a general normal temperament dog shouldn't necessarily Shouldn't be cowering. Shouldn't be should it be like hesitating to come. It should be happy to come to me. I don't even care if the owners are around. If I say come, like the dog should be like, let's go. right like Because if our friends come in here and ask our dogs to come to them, they should ah should look happy to see them. I don't care if we're around. Yeah.
00:34:00
Speaker
right Like if they're giving them the solid command and they're the ones telling him what to do They should they should look happy about doing it. They shouldn't look like Tail tucked head down like sassy McSachs, you know just Awkward awkward yeah yeah, so there's this video going around of this lady working a dog with the clients around and you know like slamming it with the e-collar and then Has the audacity to throw the leash back on and talk about foundation like what foundation are we doing?
00:34:30
Speaker
talking about there's there's seriously no foundation there if you've already broken all the trust by taking that dog off leash and slamming it with the e-collar and pushing it further away because that's not what that tool is intended for. That dog obviously did not know what the e-collar meant and like her reward was not high enough to associate any sort of reward. Right. Yeah. And, you know, jumping from like the leash is off to start, not not a great start. Like cool. You can talk about, Oh, it doesn't have a foundation. We should have known that from like the first moment that you had. your hand Well, this lady thought the dog had a foundation, which I think is worse. yeah Right. Like, you know, as a dog trainer, like we were supposed to read and, you know, train the dog in front of us. Yeah. We all have a system. Right. But those systems, we can like mold them, not necessarily like we'd never really go back on what we say or what we do, but we have to like guide them correctly.
00:35:36
Speaker
and have have the right pattern and steps in place. like That will never happen with one of our trainers, with one of our dogs, because I would never allow them to have that dog off leash in that situation.
00:35:49
Speaker
Right? Like if we have a dog that is more flighty, that is more awkward. One, we're going to ask that client for more time. And that's okay. Not every dog has to be cookie cutter, two week program. Not every dog can do everything in four weeks. Sometimes it looks longer. If I had to take 10 steps back to get four steps forward, I will. ah you You know this. I've taken a dog on day 10 and be like, all right, let's get the hot dogs out. Yeah. Let's restart. Like this dog is flustered and that's okay. Absolutely. Yeah. And I think, you know, not even a dog in a board and train setting, a dog in a lesson, like, I don't know the situation of this video, but I think there may have been a client there, like the owner of the dog yeah was there. That's kind of embarrassing too, because of the way that the dog was acting.
00:36:39
Speaker
But um definitely, you know, I think for someone who does lessons with clients, ah you know, when I want to include the e-callers, once I know that the dog knows the command. And so I think, you know, was that an issue? Was that something that like they jumped too quickly with with this video?
00:37:00
Speaker
because there's so many dogs. There's a dog that I'm doing lessons with right now. You know, he's just, he's not mature and, uh, and he, he shouldn't have the e-collar yet. it It shouldn't be there yet. He does no calm. And the owners need more work. Yeah. Right. look We're working on the owners. Like the owners aren't prepared for an off leash dog. No. So why would we give them the tool to get their dog off leash? They need work with the leash. they need That client needed work with the relationship with that dog. That lady needed work with the relationship with that dog. Let's not go outside the lines and give them something that takes away this thing that they need.
00:37:35
Speaker
Yeah. They need the leash. Let's leave them with the leash for a little bit. Right. That's okay. Yeah. And we're, you know, I think what I saw with this particular video was like, she was petting the dog way later after the dog was already shut down. And the dog didn't even like the pets. Right. And that goes back to like, what is positive reinforcement? Whatever that dog needs it at that particular moment. Yeah. Cause maybe that dog is food motivated, but maybe at this stage of where you've gotten the dog flustered and shut down, it doesn't, it's not wanting any, Baby with other dogs around, is she going to take treats? oh Or is distance away from that other dog going to be her reward? right So you got to breed the dog and know the situation. So to me, like I just wanted to touch on that. The biggest part of that is I'm i'm thankful for that lady posting because it shows what it shouldn't look like. There's so much content of what it should look like out there. So every once in a while, it's nice to really be able to be like, that is not what it's supposed to look like.
00:38:32
Speaker
And I hope clients can see it. And you know enough people are shining lights on it with big names yeah that I can see ah healthy conversations going forward. There's no healthy conversations going on in that content.
00:38:49
Speaker
but there it can be healthy conversations going forward with our clients. I hope clients ask you, Katie, and me about how we use e-caller, and they can see it. It's on our YouTube page. It's completely different.
00:39:04
Speaker
Absolutely, yeah, you know social media is a great tool and um And there's like you said, there's a lot of good information and there's a lot of bad information That's why we're doing this podcast to you know call out the bad information kind of call out the bad trends that um you know a lot of people that are just dog owners and I mean, if they're a trainer posting that, I mean, it's just wild. But some of the things we talked about specifically were like people posting their dogs and then people thinking it's funny. And you know it ends up going viral because it's being shared and that kind of thing. And um you know it's just not it's not funny. Thank you. And it's not what should be you know kind of put out in in into that industry where like people are searching on social media, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram. They're always searching. you know
00:39:50
Speaker
Hey, I have this issue yeah with my dog um and what should I do about it? And if they're seeing the wrong information Consistently it's it's difficult to come back from that But yeah, I'm just thankful that there are other trainers that we can look at, you know, Larry Krohn Ivan Robert Herbaugh, Tom Davis, there's so many big names out there that ah that do it so well that we can point to be like, that's the right way. yeah And us underneath them need to keep stepping up and showing our work as well.
00:40:22
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That's a great point. Thanks for bringing that one up. was Hey guys, it's all we got for today. So like subscribe. We post daily and you know, we've trained over a thousand dogs. So we definitely will be sharing, you know, knowledge on how you should be interacting with your dog. So if you like what you hear, ah let us know and send us emails or comments.