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Episode 16 | Katz Deli
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Two tight games. Two frustrating results. Plenty to unpack.
This week we break down Everton 0–1 Manchester United at Goodison Park, where a single decisive moment separated the sides. We analyse the goal that won it, United’s defensive discipline after going ahead, and Everton’s struggle to turn pressure into real cutting edge in the final third. Was it game management at its best from United — or another missed opportunity for Everton?
Then we head to Stamford Bridge for Chelsea 1–1 Burnley. Chelsea took the lead and looked in control, but a momentum shift and Burnley’s resilience changed everything. We dissect the turning point, Burnley’s equaliser, and whether Chelsea’s game management let them down again.
We’re talking tactics, key performances, controversial moments, and what these results mean moving forward.
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Format
00:00:38
Speaker
Yo, don't cry, don't beg. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome to another episode of the Don't Blame the Ref podcast. In the blue corner, you've got me, E-Man, representing Chelsea.
00:00:51
Speaker
And in the red corner, you've got me, Dom.
00:00:56
Speaker
Well, look, we're video now. um We're trying to level it up, small, small. Let's see. Let's see how it goes. Let's see how it goes. So far, right now, we'll be covering Manchester United versus Everton at the...
Manchester United vs Everton: Match Overview
00:01:12
Speaker
What's the new stadium called? Dickinson? The Hill dicken Dickinson Stadium something like that. who who Look at that. We're already violating. Now we're putting our faces to the violation. We don't even know the name of the stadium. My bad, my bad. Bad host, bad host. I can't lie. Bro, you definitely didn't know.
00:01:34
Speaker
All I know was Dick something. they They're lucky I didn't call it something else. So, United have just beaten Everton 1-0 away from home.
00:01:47
Speaker
On the surface, it looks like a great result. Clean sheet and a win.
Critique of Manchester United's Performance
00:01:52
Speaker
But how did it really go down? Well,
00:01:59
Speaker
that I think that's probably one of the worst performances on the current so far. If I'm being honest, I think yeah he the juice is running out, man. It's not yeah yeah yeah he is not as' not as fun as it was a couple of games ago. I can't even lie. Yeah.
00:02:16
Speaker
That adrenaline is gone, bro. Yeah, yeah. No, no, like three points in the bag. I'm cool, I'm cool, I'm cool. Yeah, yeah, That was rough.
00:02:26
Speaker
yeah That was rough. was a rough watch in my All them triangles, they're all gone now. All of them are like... All of the silky play from all that. Kunio went back to what he was doing on the Amarim, like not passing the ball. could have gone to Liverpool and got to meet him at the car park. The maddest thing is, Kunio did one good thing the whole game. And he ended in the goal.
00:02:55
Speaker
Like, that's so mad. And then right after the goal, he done something terrible work again. Yeah. but Yeah, but... this but It's going to be... this is going to be the theme for the rest of the season. It's not going to be pretty.
00:03:10
Speaker
We've rolled a high. it's It's just going to be getting through
Lineup Changes and Tactical Impact
00:03:14
Speaker
these games. and Clean sheets always a good thing. It's always a good start. um But yeah, I think if we just start off with the line-up again, it's the same line-up. The only difference is Martinez is out. I don't know if he picked up a knock or something because we've been we haven't we haven we haven't played for like two weeks, you know.
00:03:34
Speaker
We haven't played for two weeks because we're not the FA Cup anymore. Champions League. We're not in anything. So we haven't played in two weeks. So these men, they have no excuse other than to be 100% ready to go, fully charged. But yeah,
00:03:48
Speaker
I think you really missed him, man. you um in In possession, you really missed him. my other I think his
Manchester United's Strategy and Challenges
00:03:54
Speaker
height would have struggled with them set pieces near the end, but um you really missed him in in possession. Every time your man got the ball, it was just panic stations, trying to one touch, two touch out of there and just losing it, losing it, losing it, losing it. And the press, Everton's press wasn't even that mad. You just, you just did dumb passes.
00:04:14
Speaker
Yeah, dumb man were too shaky, especially like, um, Lenny Ural. Like, this is his first start in a while, yeah. Those first, like, 10 minutes, yeah. I was like, ooh. I was like, wait. Don't embarrass me. Don't embarrass me in front of my friends, bro. He was a bit shaky. He was mad. But, yeah, I think everyone was kind of culpable for for that kind of thing. Even, bro, literally the start of the game, Le Mendes kicks the ball at, um what's his name? The striker, Thielo Barry.
00:04:51
Speaker
Barry, yeah, kicks at him. don't think it's what, that is that the tempo we want to start the game on? Yeah. Nah, we've got... So if if we look at the formations we've got, United in a 4-2-3-1 that they've usually, they'll be playing underneath Carrique or back to Carrick today for that for that performance.
Performance Analysis: Rustiness and Strategy
00:05:10
Speaker
Yeah, man. Mike Carrick. ever tip of Mike Carrick.
00:05:15
Speaker
Magic Mike. So... yeah
00:05:23
Speaker
So, Everton were, what, in a 4-3-3 and I didn't really... i think you had a couple of good moments in the first 10 minutes. Obviously, you were dominating the pool, but I think, yeah, ah after a while, it just kind of...
00:05:38
Speaker
maybe Maybe your energy kind of went down. i don't think Everton did anything too amazing. that just I just think you became really sloppy on the ball. You can't um can't build anything.
00:05:50
Speaker
You can't sustain and anything any attacks if you're that sloppy on the
Midfield Analysis: Conservative Play
00:05:54
Speaker
ball. I think that was more rust than it was a tired tiredness. Because like I said, we but we haven't played in like 10 days or whatever, however long it's been since um the West Ham game, which was like two weeks ago. So it's to me, it's not tiredness. It's just like rust. These guys, they were not doing the same things that they've been doing that worked before.
00:06:21
Speaker
And then even, obviously, we mentioned before that Martina's missing. He's actually so important because there were so many times that i noticed where Kobe steps forward and he goes into like a little pocket and no one wanted to give him the ball.
00:06:39
Speaker
No one wanted to like give him the ball because then he could turn and then we could build off that. But it felt like a lot of the time players were taking the safe options. Even someone like Bruno. Bruno's known for going in for it, like gun-ho. But it felt like he was kind of keeping it safe. Same thing with Casemiro. one really to give the ball away. agree.
00:06:59
Speaker
A great example of what you said about Bruno was in the, I think it was in the second half, where he literally receives it in the gap between the midfield and the defence. And usually I'm thinking, yep, turn, whack it. Yeah, yeah. He just passed it out wide to to Luke Shaw.
00:07:16
Speaker
I was so confused. Yeah, and then the other thing as well, what I noticed as well, with Harry Maguire moving back to the left, he was doing that thing that he did
Key Moments and Player Performances
00:07:28
Speaker
under Oli. So when he gets the ball, instead just playing it straight away, he takes like five touches. He's like dribbling, dribbling, dribbling. Then he does a clip ball to the left-hand side and it's like, bro, you just slowed down the whole game for no reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah.
00:07:46
Speaker
we We did have a ah good chance at in the first half with, I think it was, so the Bruno plays the ball across to Mbwemo.
00:07:58
Speaker
Then the ball comes back across. um He crosses it back in. Dalot misses it. And then Konya gets a shot off and then it drops to Ahmad. Pickford saved it.
00:08:10
Speaker
Then Tarkovsky clears it off the line. That was written literally our best chance. like Yeah. apart from And that was sort five minutes into the game. Yeah. That was like the first 10 minutes of the game. And then apart from that, don't think we did anything. We didn't do anything. what what should what do you think Man United should have done to impose themselves on the game?
00:08:32
Speaker
um For me, i think we had one plan of attack, and that was just play through the middle and hope that we could just... get the ball like luckily into maybe like into Mbemol. We couldn't play in the transition at all because Everton don't set up for that kind of stuff to allow that to happen.
00:08:54
Speaker
So if teams are going to sit back and defend like that, obviously Everton aren't a small team. They're a tall team. Especially with, bro, they were just sending, from goal kicks, they were just sending Bramfrey all the way up to where Dalot was. and just launching it to him and hoping that they're not a small team so it's you might not get a lot of joy from like just being that wide and whipping the ball in, but you're definitely not getting any joy if the person in front is Mbwemo.
Everton's Defensive Strategy
00:09:26
Speaker
We needed crosses, we needed different plans, lanes of attack. I think Ahmad was poor today. Again, he didn't really get the opportunity to like run at Bram Freight. And the one time he did, he got pulled back and he should have got yellow carded for that.
00:09:40
Speaker
But he didn't. And it's just like, Konyan was doing nonsense, man. He was just doing nonsense. Every time he was losing the ball, I just like, bro, you could have given the ball, passed the ball two touches earlier.
00:09:53
Speaker
Like, the ball moves faster without you. And it's the same stuff that was happening before under Amaran and all that. but then But then you could say he's trying to impose himself on the game. he's trying to get it. He's trying to speed it up. He's trying to take people on. He's trying to make things happen.
00:10:09
Speaker
Yeah, but don't do that in the centre circle, bro. Get to the opposition further, try and do that. like ah There was even one chance where he got played through by Casemiro. Someone played him through and he's running through and I think it's Sesko to his left.
00:10:28
Speaker
All he had to do was slider slide him. Same thing like Mbomo's chance. he had to do was slide him. He kept dribbling and just fell over. I'm like, bro, what are we doing here? It's 0-0. Oh, yeah, I do remember that. Or at least get maybe a shot come off or something. But yeah, he was just annoying me, man. He was annoying me so much. So what do you think about him staying on the pitch instead of Amatouk?
00:10:55
Speaker
um I don't mind that, only because it could have been either one of them. I think i both of them were having bad games. so now it's not i don't i don't do the favourites thing. with If you're playing rubbish, you're playing rubbish, bro. I don't care. But um it makes sense to keep Mbwemo on as well, because I think he's our best crosser from wide areas, so it makes sense to keep him on.
Chelsea vs Everton: Physicality and Defense
00:11:21
Speaker
Konya's kind of like the...
00:11:23
Speaker
he's the unknown entity you don't know he could pop up with a mum so it's like you keep him on for those little things and even towards the end he does that thing where you like you know the whole dark arts thing and like he's winning fouls and he's just like playing into the thing playing into the crowd and doing all that kind of stuff he does that well can't lie that's a good part of him so you don't really want to lose that by summing him off too early but Yeah, overall, for me personally, there's no real standout performances. Bruno, was to me, was kind of like a ghost in that game. I don't think he was able to get involved in the game at all.
00:12:03
Speaker
no i don't know if was his own fault... Yeah, in contradicting what you said earlier, I feel like you guys didn't play through the middle enough.
00:12:13
Speaker
um I know there was a few attempts and failed attempts where some of your players tried to, but I felt there was inability to try and punch it through and drive at their last line. So hence why it doesn't feel like Bruno got the ball much. It doesn't feel like he was involved as much. You know, it might be from his movement and timing, it might not be good enough, but I did see opportunities where especially, tried, Manu tried, Especially when the ball goes out wide, I don't think Ahmed and Kunio were looking inside quick enough. Because like you said, Imbrem is not going to win the ball.
00:12:54
Speaker
So if anything, you're trying to get around, through and and beyond them. so There wasn't enough runs in behind. There wasn't enough um overlaps or good timing of overlaps. And there wasn't enough passes on the inside. So, um really and truly, you wanted... You had Bruno coming deep into midfield, doing similar stuff to that you saw under Amorim and all that stuff. No, you need them and...
00:13:23
Speaker
who've got the ball deep and I think that's why you miss martin Martinez to progress it into Bruno in the half space so that he could do something but yeah it was it was very very very vague poor the misplaced passes were were hilarious I think like both teams there was one passage to play both teams done like five misplaced passes in a row yeah yeah just great it's mad as well. so That's what I'm saying. it yeah It just, it just screams like rust to me with, with that game folk from our point of view.
00:13:54
Speaker
But, um, yeah. So I guess the only thing we can really talk about is the decisive moment. Um, Everton have a corner. It's cleared by Maguire, I think.
00:14:08
Speaker
Drops to Cogna and he just plays the ball in behind to Mbwemo. He kind of actually messed up his touch. He messed up his touch. I'm not even going to lie, but luckily Sesko was... No, actually the header went out to Sesko. Sesko laid it off to Konya. Then Sesko spat him behind and just, he just kept running. He ran to keep up with Mbemar.
00:14:30
Speaker
And then... That's Sesko's bread and butter, bruv. Once he starts going... Not many men can catch him. Yeah, he was going the squas born. born. Also, his first legs, he only just came on. So, definitely had the energy to do that. That was a good finish. We need to gas up the Kunja pass a bit more, my bro. relax yeah I know he had a crap game, but the pass was wavy.
00:14:58
Speaker
Lucky I'm not in Manchester right now to greet him greet him before he gets on the coach. He's lucky. He's definitely not in Manchester. he very i mean very very good very Very composed finish from
Chelsea's Defensive Weaknesses
00:15:12
Speaker
Cesco though. Like yeah really good. It's great he took it first time as well. I don't like them sort positions the middle of the goal. Whack it first time. No Lele. Don't give anybody else a chance to come and nick the ball off you. I was worried he was going to take too many touches and someone was going come and nick it.
00:15:30
Speaker
Nick it behind him, but good. It's good, good. You could see Pickford was pissed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The defender was Even funny enough, as you're saying, he actually did that the second time because he got a novel opportunity to do that. But this time he was coming onto to his left and instead of him shooting on his left, he tried to take a touch around the keeper. and then Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. yeahy So that's why sometimes it's just better to just hit it hit first time. he's Just hit it, just hit because He's decent off both feet, so just pick a corner and go for it.
00:16:02
Speaker
And really, you'll probably... Don't get me wrong, I know there's moments, if you've got the space, you know, try and take it around the keeper. It's probably getting easier finish. Like, i don't I don't want to say don't do that, but I do feel like the gap...
00:16:15
Speaker
There is more of a gap when it's a first-time finish. If the keeper isn't right at your feet, your you'll have more more space to hit, more goal to hit at if you do it first time rather than taking the extra touch and then the keeper's closing down your space.
00:16:31
Speaker
But fair play, fair play. got the You got the goal that got the win anyway. Yeah, that's really it. So for us, we are now...
00:16:44
Speaker
three points ahead fourth place three points behind Villa three points ahead of Chelsea Villa have not won in three or four of all they've won one in five or something like that
Chelsea's Form and Future Predictions
00:16:57
Speaker
so they're not in the best of form Chelsea we're drawing to the likes of of Leeds and Burnley so it's looking good for unit United one game a week even for us we have we haven't even lost a game in a while now that think about it because we drew against Burnley, Leeds and Wolves.
00:17:15
Speaker
And then we four in a row, drew one and then won one again. So we haven't actually lost a while. So we're just constantly picking our points, which is a good thing at this stage of the season. But yeah, we're in prime position to get that Champions League spot. So... Yeah. For me, the top five.
00:17:34
Speaker
who's Who's your top five? the Top five. um City, Arsenal... yeah loss
00:17:46
Speaker
You then Villa. Oh, cause for Liverpool out, yeah? Oh yeah, i even forgot about Liverpool to be fair. um Then I say, I don't think Villa dropped that far down, but I don't think they finished top four.
00:18:01
Speaker
So yeah, actually no, keep it the same. Yeah, i keep it the same. Because I think at some point Emery's going to say it. European competition. We're winning a trophy. And then he's going to neglect the league. So, at that point, who knows?
00:18:18
Speaker
Well, I know Arsenal ain't built for it. so I'm going to City top course. Arsenal second. um I'll probably go United. I don't think Chelsea have the consistency in results or performance to to do better than what you United are doing. um And then a think Villa drop out.
00:18:42
Speaker
I think, yeah, I think by the end of it, Villa drop out, Liverpool well get top five. So it'll be a strong, it'll be a lot of big names in the Champions League next year, I think.
Squad Composition and Competitive Edge
00:18:51
Speaker
But I was going to touch on touch on your performance side and then segue into Chelsea.
00:18:58
Speaker
That game, that game where you guys just won 1-0 away at Everton versus six, seven of their giants on like six, seven set pieces.
00:19:12
Speaker
Bro, Chelsea, Chelsea lose that, Chelsea draw or lose that game? I mean, we generally draw or lose that game. We basically did, to be fair. We basically, yeah, 100%, we basically did, but like...
00:19:25
Speaker
but the point is United have the tools to deal with that. Big up Lemons, by the way, I think had a really, really, really big game. Yeah, that's solid. I even forgot to mention as well. Like, just the claiming, the catching, even there was a few shots, I can't, the Everton midfielder, not Gay, the other guy, sorry, can't remember your name. There was one point where he let off a shot and he just caught it. was like, oh, this is so great because that's all, he's punching that back out into playing and boom, one, one. Like, it's,
00:19:53
Speaker
it's refreshing to have a goalkeeper who's just going to claim stuff. Like, very simple. Not going to overhype it, but it's important. That's why that's important. From, from your, from the from his highlights, from wherever he was previously, that's the first thing you can see. Like, it's hard shots, hard whipped crosses, he's catching them. And and that's, for me,
00:20:14
Speaker
that's a good sign of a good keeper for me. how Can you catch the difficult shots? Can you can you catch the difficult crosses? Because how much pressure can you alleviate off the defence so that we don't have to come in and do a ah rushed clearance or whatever? wherever those those And essence this is why I like Sanchez so much, because he does that.
00:20:34
Speaker
um He has to do it too much because we're a crap team, but he does that. um So the point I was trying to make was that, Based, following on from our conversation last week around squad building, yeah.
00:20:48
Speaker
yeah you look at You look at the United squad, Cunha, Maguire, Yoro, even Dalo. Dalo's a good aerial. He's always competed for aerial doors and winning a good percentage.
00:20:59
Speaker
Shaw is a bit on the short side, but he competes. He's a strong lad, he competes. Then Casemiro, then Menuh Leso. He's usually there more as a distraction to slow down other players. um But already I'm naming six names there.
00:21:15
Speaker
Then you've got Cesc, that's seven. So seven out of your whole squad will either compete or dominate in the air. Yeah. Versus Everton who have the similar numbers.
00:21:28
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Chelsea have four. If that. Who's your four, if you had to name them.
00:21:37
Speaker
The two centre backs. Yeah. Rhys James, just, just. And,
00:21:46
Speaker
That's I told you it's Pedro.
00:21:50
Speaker
Neto. Okay. Pedro Neto is 6-1. No, Pedro. Sorry, Jao Pedro. Jao Pedro. Yeah, yeah. Jao Pedro is 6-1. So, what's that? Three? I've named you three people that can win headers? Mm-hmm. And this is why we're susceptible to set pieces every time. Don't get me wrong. The Burnley game, we can see the last-minute goal. There's about four centre-backs on the pitch. Really and truly, we should probably be dealing with it. But I'm talking in terms of our first 11...
00:22:17
Speaker
yeah we don't We don't have aerial threat inside the opponent's box. We had about 10 corners and we struggled to defend our own corners. And you have to respect football football humbles you.
00:22:31
Speaker
You have to respect football or football humbles you. If you do not have the tools to compete at this level, whether it's aerially, physically or mentally, you will not succeed.
00:22:43
Speaker
yeah We have good players who, yeah I would question their mentality. yeah So you haven't you haven't thought about mentality during recruitment. I would question their physical acumen, the' fit their say their physical capabilities.
00:22:57
Speaker
how much How much are they able to compete and go end to end for 90 minutes? And can they go twice a week and do it again at that intensity? I'd question that. And then I'd question if their height and strength.
00:23:12
Speaker
You haven't built a squad that can deal with these conditions. um yeah So just just from pure talent, we we're you know we're we're top four just off pure talent. But we are restricted.
00:23:24
Speaker
We cannot push any higher because we cannot compete to the level that's required. Arsenal versus but Brentford just a couple just a week ago, 1-1.
00:23:35
Speaker
Chelsea lose that game. The physical battle that Brentford did with Arsenal there, they went toe-to-toe to totoe them. The way they battled and ausland even Arsenal defenders battled for that point.
00:23:47
Speaker
arsenal Chelsea would have lost that game because we do not have the physical capacity, the physical, the mental, the psychological, the whatever, whatever. We do not have it.
00:23:57
Speaker
to compete and win those kind of nitty gritty proper hard games yeah and it and then results like Leeds and um Burnley it shows you that it shows you that Yeah, and even the with with the way the league is going now because of Arsenal, it's But it's always been like that.
00:24:25
Speaker
but Yeah, but I feel like now it's even more enhanced. like everyone's Everyone's got someone who can do a long throw about. Everyone's... okay Okay, okay. One thing I'll say to you, though, one thing I'll say to you, though, go back and look at the United teams. Go back and look at the Chelsea teams.
00:24:39
Speaker
Six foot two men everywhere. What are we talking about? the suppose if if we If we deep it, it's all football's always been this, especially English football. It's always been this.
00:24:50
Speaker
Your short ones would be your wingers. Even then, some of them are still like 6'4 or whatever. Do you know what mean? And then why did Arsenal back in the day get bullied?
00:25:02
Speaker
Why were they always losing? Why were they always... They had the midfield of what? Karzola.
00:25:09
Speaker
Wulshare. All these tiki-taka technical guys, bro, them nitty-gritty games, they were getting pushed by Balak. They were getting pushed by Mikel. They were getting pushed, bro. We were dominating them physically. They couldn't handle it. and this who And these men are coming into the league now.
00:25:28
Speaker
They're recruiting for a top-prem team and you think you can abandon the physical side? you feel caught you You think you can't? You need six-foot-two men. You need bare them.
00:25:39
Speaker
obviously i'm gonna be like turkish doing it's obviously it's men's game and the women's have their women have their game do you know what i mean i can't lie i think that's one that's like top five crash outs oh my god that guy is oh god that guy is ah ah ah this is This is a men's game. oh Well, it's a women's game too, but... That was so funny.
00:26:18
Speaker
Did you watch the full clip? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. When he started saying that Rio had... Oh, the move. The move. They communicate Spanish and Portuguese. And the word for move is similar, very similar in both languages.
00:26:39
Speaker
Bro, that crash out was hilarious, honestly. Oh, man. I hope I never get to that point, man. can't, man.
00:26:49
Speaker
Oh, man. So, look, let's get into it. So, Chelsea, Chelsea are home to Burnley. And I can't lie to you, before this game, yeah, was thinking, how many goals are we going to score? I was thinking, bro, I was thinking, hat-chick Pedro, hat-chick Palmer. Hey, who wants a hat-chick? Anyone want a hat-chick? I'll give you hat-chick. But, like, I'm only thinking, bro, it didn't come to my head that we could draw that game, you know?
00:27:18
Speaker
Like, I did i i didn't... i mean don't i Let me not even lie. I think I was kind of on your way as well because of my FPL. I brought him Palmer and I made him captain.
00:27:29
Speaker
And he did nothing. And he did nothing. And this is what I'm saying. Oh, man. So, obviously, the Chelsea players midweek, they they had a couple days of days in Dubai, whatever, enjoying themselves. So... And Rosinia said it on his interview. he said it straight away. Look, yeah, going to have this break.
00:27:48
Speaker
they have to go and beat Burnley. Otherwise people are gonna say, why did you give him a break? So, and- Oh wait, you actually went on the break. So, them videos of Kukurela, Pedro and Cole Palmer in the club, they were real.
00:27:59
Speaker
as sweet, bro. Just this week, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So obviously when when you do things like that, it's always going to, people are always going to look at for the negative after a bad result. So I'm not necessarily, I don't necessarily disagree with that.
00:28:15
Speaker
um I think I would have probably done it in a different way. I would have probably left out the club stuff. have probably told the players, don't post on social media.
00:28:26
Speaker
That's what I would have even out of done. Even, bro, the celebrities. If I'm in Dubai and I see Cole Palmer, people are putting out their phones anyway. They're going to get caught. that application It's just a time and place sort of thing, isn't it? It's mid-season. It's mid-season. come on and this And this is my thing. I would have been like, guys, no clubs. That that would have been my rule.
00:28:45
Speaker
I'll give you this day off, but if any of you are caught in in the club, I'm not doing it again. So, yeah because you can go and relax, you can go and enjoy yourself, you can go out. There's even day parties. You could go do a ah a boat. You could go do There's so many things they could have done during the day to control the narrative.
00:29:02
Speaker
So I think, again, this is why i think it's very immature, even of the manager, to now... allowed to even allowed that to happen mid-season, to to to give the media and the fans ammo attack the team and him.
00:29:18
Speaker
so I don't necessarily disagree with the decision. They needed a break. They needed that. You need to give players time to relax mentally and blah, blah, blah.
00:29:28
Speaker
But he needed to control it. He needed to be very specific about what they can and can't do. And he didn't do that, which makes it a lot more difficult now when you draw against second bottom of the league.
00:29:44
Speaker
Going into the game now, Esteval, he has hamstring issue, so he's getting a scan. I don't know what that's going to come out with. God forbid. Please, God, look after my boy's hamstrings. Please, I beg. I pray, just just God, put healing onto that boy's hamstring. In Jesus' name. In Jesus' name. Don't worry, man. When is Modric back?
00:30:07
Speaker
who
00:30:10
Speaker
yeah isn't it from the but like well I to see that guy. He was crap when he was here anyway. So just forget Oh my gosh.
00:30:22
Speaker
Just forget it. I don't, but I'm disliking... Garnaccio's not even getting a look-in. I'm disliking... I don't even have to watch Garnaccio. He's never getting a look-in.
00:30:34
Speaker
He gets cup game minutes. That's it. It's madness. It's mad. It's clear the manager don't hate him, though. So, he's going to need to buck up his ideas and try and try and get back in the team. But... Yeah.
00:30:45
Speaker
Anyway, look, going into the game, Chelsea set up in their normal... 4-2-3-1 sort of formation. Enzo in a 10, three-man midfield, Caicedo Santos. But I'm looking at it.
00:30:58
Speaker
Pedro Neto and Jao Pedro and Palmer. I'm looking at it. I'm going, I'm licking my lips. I can't lie to you. I'm thinking, come on, guys, let's let's put these guys to the sword.
00:31:11
Speaker
what I didn't anticipate was us actually playing badly um and well i do i did I didn't think that was an option um and the one that performed the worst in my opinion is Enzo Fernandes and he's the one he should have definitely told him no drinking Because he's already like struggling physically like to really keep up. Ugu Chukwu, who used to be ex-Chelsea, just running through him. He was just dashing through you. Ragdolling. Donny Enzo could even touch him.
00:31:48
Speaker
Could even touch him. like So... and I'm not kidding. Isn't that the profile of the player you want? the midfielder. you want You want a tall six-foot sat-in, you know, and you already had him.
00:32:07
Speaker
Wait, was there someone else that you let go recently as well? No, it was him. You sent him to loan on, was it a dollar? Yeah. Last year, I told a couple of Chelsea fans, I said, we'd be better off with a midfield free of Santos, Ugo Chukwu and Kaesu.
00:32:25
Speaker
What one like? not ah Sorry? Who's the attacking creative midfielder? We don't need that. you don't You don't need that. You don't need that. I'm telling you guys, this is the prem.
00:32:36
Speaker
You do not need that. I'm telling you. Liverpool won a league off workmen in the midfield. Yeah, they had Henderson, but his strongest trait was what was work. Work.
00:32:48
Speaker
putting in work. Wijnaldum. Who's other Donny? Fabinho. Yeah, they're technically secure guys who can progress the ball forward. I don't need you doing the brain Xavi passes to win the league, bro.
00:33:02
Speaker
Like, I don't. it's Like, our our view of football is is sometimes distorted to reality. You need people that's going to win the battle first. Doesn't that only work if you're too if you're basically, you've got...
00:33:17
Speaker
Salah Mane. Because you've got those two, that's the only reason why it's really going to work. because in the I hate you. In the traditional sense, it's true, you can have the workmen, but you need at least one of them to do something when they get the ball. You're right. You're right.
00:33:36
Speaker
Yeah. I'm saying that. saying yeah Caicedo did play a great pass to Nettle, completely split the team in half. Yeah, it was it was a great pass. and And it was an example of something we did that we didn't do enough throughout the game, running in behind.
00:33:57
Speaker
Like, honestly, we were not direct enough. We did not pass the ball forward quick enough. We only amassed, I think, 11 shots against Burnley. And we allowed Burnley to have more shots than us at our own ground. Let me check if that's even true. I'm pretty sure it is.
00:34:15
Speaker
And... and Yeah, and look, like Rosinha said in his press conference, we just did not attack them quick enough. We did not attack them. We weren't aggressive enough. We didn't commit enough players into the box when we're when we're you know playing, um when we're doing crosses and everything. It just wasn't enough.
00:34:35
Speaker
And we needed to put them to the sword. The performance that we did against Leeds, it needed to be replicated here. And if the players could not replicate it, you have to question what they did in the midweek.
00:34:48
Speaker
best stop look that with us And this is my point about controlling the narrative. You shouldn't have let them post on social media because all people going to do is blame that. Blame that. Why couldn't you play at the same intensity and aggressiveness as you did against Leeds into this match? Why?
00:35:05
Speaker
You had a week, you had eight days to prepare for it. Come on. Come on, boys. the It's up to the players to now make sure that the manager doesn't have ah a problem.
00:35:19
Speaker
They needed to reward the manager for giving them that time off. And they needed to play their hearts off. Even if you just played plus and got like 1-0, like at least it's... At least it's... You mean? You've got the three points. You can go back and recoup.
00:35:37
Speaker
That's it. And a lot of what we did against Leeds, I didn't see it in this game, was um there was a lot of central progressions between Enzo, Parma and Caicedo. It was just constant.
00:35:47
Speaker
Like, with the way we were popping it through those lines, it was... um Honestly, I don't even want to be super... like I don't want to be i don't exaggerate, but it was the best football I've seen Chelsea play in ages.
00:36:00
Speaker
in in Just in terms of pure speed, quality, central, like... i' I'm not saying Barcelona, it was nowhere near Barcelona, but in terms of the way Barcelona kept popping balls in the middle of the pitch and you still couldn't lay a glove on them, that was what we were doing to Leeds. Obviously, um quality of opposition taken into mind. um we just i just's None of it, none of it, none of it. I didn't see any of it. Palma had a great chance to... um He gets through off a mistake of Kyle Walker, who gets subbed off soon after that, actually. um And then he takes Palmer takes a shot too early.
00:36:43
Speaker
Yeah, he takes a shot too early. He panicked. I think he realised it Walker and was just kind of like, let me at least get a shot off. Didn't need to. Didn't need to. Didn't need to. Didn't need to.
00:36:57
Speaker
Didn't need to. Just an extra extra touch and then pick your spot and go. um Or you try and lob him, whatever you want to do. But he needed the extra touch, balance himself. You could tell off balance, just trying to force the shot when he when he when he didn't need to. um And it was just a microcosm of the game that he had.
00:37:16
Speaker
He had a really poor game. He had a really, really poor game. Bad touches. There was another opportunity where... Online, they they're cussing Gusto for no look pass. But um he does, just before that, no look pass that failed. That's going viral on Twitter and people are blaming him for. um Just before that, he actually done a no look pass that worked.
00:37:40
Speaker
um And it it it goes into Palmer's feet. And it's just a baggy touch. Honestly, it's a horrible touch. And he doesn't even get a shot away. Centre of the goal, relatively enough space, touch and finish.
00:37:56
Speaker
Can't do it um I don't know. Maybe he was feeling pain today and that's why he couldn't perform. But i'm pain one thing I will say... azu A hangover. hasoo welfare i will say One thing I will say is um the the chronic injury has called pulbergia. Something like that. Pulgia.
00:38:18
Speaker
Is that the finger that's growing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So... Are you sure that's not like... So,
00:38:36
Speaker
So, I read an article a long time ago. i can't remember. I think was about Lamina Mount. And it was about someone historically back in the day in a... the way in which they, obviously each kind, each injury can be different with each person, obviously. so But they said that they for this player to feel, to play playing free, they actually had to stop having sexual intercourse.
00:39:03
Speaker
Come on, man. When are we going to do still
00:39:13
Speaker
Pulbagia. Pulbagia. big yeah yeah Oh, man. We know what this is. We know what this is. He's outside. He's He's outside. He's outside. And then I see a picture of him and his girl. you know what mean? So, hey, my boy might need to sacrifice something for the greater good because I need my palma back.
00:39:39
Speaker
I need my palma back. And it's no coincidence, it's no coincidence that who? Cole Palmer, you'll never see that version of him again. He's gone. Oh, bro. No. Oh, if I... yeah Because the last game was great. So I was thinking, obviously you hadn't seen her in a while. That's probably why. yeah was This was a football podcast. Oh,
00:40:10
Speaker
All right, yes Anyway, look, ah yeah, just a bunch of nothing happened in that game. I can't lie to you, bro. Just a whole bunch of nothing.
00:40:22
Speaker
Smelly. Enzo was horrible. Oh, he was so bad. Like, he was so bad. Rhys James, ineffective, known not much influence.
00:40:36
Speaker
the quality of his balls into the box weren't good enough. Just getting blocked at the first man... Yeah, just a bad, bad day. what what What do you think was even the reasoning for that? Was it you think it was just a break or like was it just underestimated? Yeah, I don't think it's the break.
00:40:56
Speaker
When you play with, when you don't play, when you have eight days off and you don't play with that same intensity or speed and punching your passes in terms of, I can always tell, I can always smell it. It's like two, when the team's on it, you can see it two free times. Bang! Everyone's moving the ball. Bang, bam ba bang, bang, bang.
00:41:15
Speaker
Like these man, oh yeah, take my touch out my feet, s slow, oh pass. And it starts from the centre-backs. Like I don't want to hype on the centre-backs, but it starts from them.
00:41:28
Speaker
they When an opposition is sitting back so much, the centre-backs and midfielders, they have the ball the most, yeah? And I don't mind the slow possession because, you know, I used to hate it under Maresco. But the problem with Maresco is he'd do it for two, like...
00:41:45
Speaker
He'd it created ah a philosophy in the team that they avoided attacking, which was just horrible to watch. Now... now Rosinha seems to have a mixture of that. Maybe they're just trying to stop the old habits and they're still kind of in that mould, in that frame of mind. And there are moments in this, a lot of moments in this game where you could see them, they're kind of just keeping the ball for keeping ball's sake and not an attempt to actually kill and hurt the opponent.
00:42:18
Speaker
It has to be... yeah But that's that's from the players. It's not the break. It's not... even I can't even say it's the preparation. it's not It's the players. That's you. That is you to say, when I get this ball, I'm playing it quickly.
00:42:31
Speaker
you You've got to do it. And Mureska's words after the match tells me he wanted them to do that. He told them to do that, but they just didn't execute. So, yeah, I think it's a it's definitely a bit a bit of and underestimating the team.
00:42:47
Speaker
It's impossible for a player to not underestimate someone. on Sometimes I feel like Even me, like I'm going into this game thinking five, six goals. They're probably doing the same.
00:42:58
Speaker
And that's what causes them. Also, the other thing is as well, you kind of look at Burnley's situation just assume, bro, you are going down, bro. youre know like Let's be honest, are they really going to turn up today?
00:43:12
Speaker
They're not really playing for anything, but that's not it works in the prime, I guess. Teams are still and now don believe that they probably can stay up as well. And I'll be honest, they didn't play well.
00:43:23
Speaker
They didn't play that well. i I think there was ample opportunity for us to cut through them. I saw loads of gaps. I saw loads of opportunities. they We just didn't take them. So um the only bit that they played well was the last five minutes where they thought, oh, we can get something here. So it's on us. It's on us. that the It's so poor. It's so frustrating to walk out of Leeds and Burnley with two points.
00:43:47
Speaker
but I let... um No, sorry. i was just going to say, um'm I'm looking at your next set of fixtures. It's tough. It's tough. You've got a run coming up. So you've got Arsenal on the first. Three days later, you're away at Villa.
00:44:05
Speaker
Then you've got an FA Cup game. You've got three games in the space of seven days. And then you got Newcastle, then Everton away, which we just played. It's not it's not the nicest game ever, but dave the conversation we just had about the physical aspect of that game,
00:44:23
Speaker
hey, listen, they might have something for you. And then you've got City and then you've us. so yeah So, hey, listen, your run is not nice. I'll tell you exactly what's going to happen. Lose against Arsenal, beat Villa, beat Newcastle, beat whoever we've got in their FA Cup, lose to Everton.
00:44:39
Speaker
That is guaranteed. I'll tell you right now. Yeah? Wexham. Wexham. Wrexham, yeah. Beat Wrexham, I'll assume. um And then probably draw against City because we always turn up against City.
00:44:56
Speaker
um And then, like, you can... it's I could read this team in a... I could read this team. We will turn up against team teams that are important. feel like Newcastle. That Everton game, 100% loss. 110%. But, in opinion...
00:45:10
Speaker
i ten percent but in my opinion Beat Arsenal, you can lose against the West. I do not care. Beat Arsenal. All I need... Bro, all I... Bro, Dom, my hatred is more... This team has got nothing for me, Dom.
00:45:29
Speaker
They have got nothing for me. They are not going to achieve anything this season. But if you can stop Arsenal winning the league, it's like Hazard, 2-0 Tottenham, stopping Tottenham winning the league.
00:45:40
Speaker
That's all I care about. That is all I care about. if i must If I suffer, you must suffer with me. it's that's That's the way it goes. Don't be happy. Arsenal losing to United and losing to Chelsea is actually dark. It's actually this is very dark.
00:45:56
Speaker
And I need it, bro. Imagine going to Emirates, beating them. I need that thrill. I need it. And stopping them winning the league. So no matter what happens, sixth, seventh, eighth, wherever we finish, I could just say, we stopped you winning the league.
00:46:12
Speaker
Oh, that's glorious. That's glorious, my bro. That's all I need. That's all I need, bro. Because what's the difference? Champions League, what? Five, finishing fifth to get Champions League to not even win it. What's the point?
00:46:26
Speaker
whos the point I hear it. I'm always down with that as well. i I don't care for qualifying. We can't win it. Let's let's move forward to um the next next segment. um we want to so In this segment, for the next 20 minutes, we'll be talking about hot topic in the world of football, um whether that's related to tactics, related to just latest news or things like that. So,
00:46:55
Speaker
Over the past week was the playoffs of the Champions League where um one of the team one of the teams, Benfica versus Real Madrid, Real Madrid win 1-0 via a Vinicius screamer.
00:47:12
Speaker
um However, the screamer is tainted um by an alleged racist comment from pastto Pastrami.
00:47:25
Speaker
We can call him Pashami, bro. I don't care. Honestly, don't even have the energy to correct because I don't even know his name. like Honestly, he's Pashami, bro.
00:47:37
Speaker
He's Cat's Nelly. That guy's Cat's Nelly. don't care.
00:47:42
Speaker
Prestiani. Prestiani. So UEFA have put out a statement saying they have suspended Pastrami for one game, for this Real Madrid game.
00:47:58
Speaker
um they so They say in the at the end of the statement that this is not to be viewed as punishment or a...
00:48:10
Speaker
them accusing him of being guilty, but they they must suspend him to complete the investigation, basically. um So what do you, if we look at the turn of events, if Inish is puts the ball in the top corner. Yeah. Great goal. He then, perhaps you ba not then he he then proceeds to go into the ah corner flag, the closest corner flag might might I add, um which most players do.
00:48:43
Speaker
um And he dances with the corner flag. um He does a little hand flick around his chest to to the fans to probably take the mitt a little bit.
00:48:54
Speaker
the fans proceed to start throwing things at him, um, with the Benfica players coming over to, to, to express their, um, disdain for, for Vinicius. Yeah. and In the meantime, that sorry, i've after that, the, of also the Real Madrid, uh, fellow teammates actually come to pull Vinicius away as well, because they don't want to, they don't want him to get hit. They don't want to make it worse.
00:49:23
Speaker
So, as As it starts to die down, Vinicius, I think he does one more um dance or something. I forgot what it was he'd done. One more of, at this point, Prestiani is um relatively close to him. And he's he's already started putting his hand over his his mouth, saying some things. um And as Vinicius and some other Real Madrid players, as they're responding to Prestiani. So its it looks heated.
00:49:53
Speaker
But then Presciani seems to cover his mouth and say something specifically, which Vinicius runs off to the ref to report. So what do you what do you take? what do you What's your reaction to the whole situation? And considering Jose Mourinho's comments after.
00:50:11
Speaker
So for me, this is... we we want to approach this in a way that, like, actually allows a discussion to happen. Because what I don't like when it comes to these racist sort of incidents that happen, well, alleged because he hasn't actually been found, but, you know, whatever, it's still being investigated.
00:50:34
Speaker
I don't like how the focus switches. It always just switches to something else. Why is Vinicius dancing? Why did he have to go um to that corner flag? Why didn't he just score the goal, do a fist bump and go back to the centre circle? Why... um why is Mbappe saying he heard it when he wasn't close enough to it? Like, we start moving the goalposts a bit too much to not actually um address the issue at hand. And I think this was encapsulated the best by Vincent Kompany. He gave 12-minute breakdown of what his thoughts are. And obviously, in his explanation, you can see that it's...
00:51:17
Speaker
not not that it's not thought out, some parts of it were well thought out, but some of it was actually just his experience. Like he's said, as he was captain of the national team, he still experienced racism and then that never got dealt with. There's talks about Jose Mourinho, like you mentioned as well, him saying that, oh, why is Vinicius celebrating that, that you scored a great goal, why do you have to go do that?
00:51:44
Speaker
the Jose Mourinho, the same man who did the knee slide,
00:51:51
Speaker
Flippin was at Camp Nou. He did a knee slide. When he was our manager and we was it we beat Juventus 1-0, doing all this, doing all this, do know this group walking around holding one finger up at um whatever. he's he's he's blaister yeah He's boisterous. He does that. but you know what, when it's him, i can do what I want, but when the Vinny be humble, you know, like there's certain things that certain narratives are pushed when it comes to black players in particular. And for me, um my thoughts on the whole situation is if if you're asking me,
00:52:30
Speaker
Why cover your mouth? Because in football, you're allowed to swear. You're allowed to cuss each other. You're allowed to say, like, not nice things. seen players tell referees F off when they don't agree with decision. You can call people names. You can say something about their mum. You can say whatever. you don't have to cover your mouth for that.
00:52:48
Speaker
So why? So obviously, he's covered his mouth because he said something that he knows if other people see or hear me say this, there's going to be repercussions. Playing Devils Advocate, Presciani's already covering his mouth as they're insulting each other. As are, I think, even Vinicius. And I think even Vinicius does that once and with a couple of the other Romadou players. But wasn't it wasn't he just covering his um mouth like this? And then when he went to go see it, he did that he like tucked his mouth into his top to go see it. From...
00:53:25
Speaker
From the video I watched, I'm pretty sure he covered his... He'd done that a couple of times. Fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough. I hear that. But for me, even Vinicius' reaction... For me, Vinicius isn't going to do the cry wolf thing. This is an experience for a lot of black footballers. Especially, bro, you could talk about... Vinicius plays for Real Madrid, bro. Like, he's not some unknown guy. He plays for a big team that's like...
00:53:52
Speaker
very well known. It's not to say that if you play for a small team, you, you deserve it either way. It is. It's not that it's just that he's not someone who's going to just cry wolf.
00:54:03
Speaker
Oh, like, um, Just accusing, going running around accusing players like of of racism when it's not there isn't something to it. That's dumb. He's already had this um before. He's had this before when he danced before and people started getting onto him and people started abusing him, saying whatever they want. like is When it comes to footballers, people expect them to have a different level of...
00:54:30
Speaker
um like they They're not given grace when it comes to certain things. Like, he's human. If someone says something to me, especially if someone says something racist to me, realistically, in the real life, I'll just bang him. Like, let's just keep it honest. this Like, let's let's keep honest. If we're outside, if Vinny swung on him, I just banged him.
00:54:52
Speaker
Vinny's banned. like There's no investigation. There's nothing that happens. He's gone. like He's going to get a 10-match ban. He might not play Champions League for the rest of the season. like let's Let's be honest.
00:55:04
Speaker
that's the That's the correct response in my eyes. like You know what mean? He did the right thing. There's a protocol now. You say to the referee, this is what happened. The gameplay stops. You do your whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah. blah And then you try work it out. But you know what I mean? it's ah you Even me, my thoughts on the swing is just all over the place because it's It's something that we have campaigns, we have it out, we have, say, notarism, we have all these things that are plastered all over your wafer, all over the effort. And when it comes to action and actually dealing with these situations, it's kind of like tiptoed around, it's kind of ah, we're not sure, ah, this, ah, we can't really just take a word for it, there's no evidence. Like, this goes on, even though
00:55:47
Speaker
there's fans in the corner doing monkeys chants towards the news. But then the club, people in the club are saying, oh, how can, well, Jose Mourinho saying, how can Benfica's not racist club because they're legends, New Xavier. So like, this is just so he's um it's just It's just dumb. Let's keep going. Let's be honest. as a as ah As a Chelsea fan,
00:56:12
Speaker
Oh, you know this the best, bro. Bro, as a Chelsea fan, yeah, it's just it's it's just the thing with these sort of scenarios, you know, and I always like to compare, for me, i always like to compare racism to something somebody else can relate to.
00:56:43
Speaker
it's not to say it's the same completely different yeah but it's to so for example racism sexism yeah racism misogyny yeah and when you start speaking in that sense i try to paint a picture where you know you start to just show it from a different point of view.
00:57:12
Speaker
Look, you're not it's not right for you to go, you know to say, ah don't wanna be too too crude, but it's it's ah it's not right for you to blame the victim without investigation.
00:57:25
Speaker
yeah okay we In whatever scenario. Do your investigation, let the investigation bring its outcome. So don't preempt the investigation and start making your own conclusions.
00:57:37
Speaker
So as much as possible, all parties need to be as neutral as possible. that's just That's just me. Yeah? Yeah. Finishes. He's heard what he's heard. Yeah? He's reported it.
00:57:49
Speaker
let the authorities do all that. If Ramajid's player says that they heard it, they heard it. don't Like, posting a video talking about distance, yeah. Yeah, that's coming from the official club as well well doesn it doesn't look good Doesn't look good. Doesn't look good. For one, if you're on a football pitch, mate, I can i can hear you from 10 metres away.
00:58:09
Speaker
So yeah don't don't even don't even try that, yeah? Regardless of the outside noise and stadium around, like, if you're 10 meters away from me or even less than what was what was in back if less than five meters away i can hear you mate yeah i can eat um so I just think it's disappointing. It's disappointing from Jose's point of view, but what do I expect?
00:58:33
Speaker
The guy is built on tribalism. He's is' all about protecting his own, whether he was at Chelsea, United, Inter, especially Inter, Real Madrid. He's all about protecting his own.
00:58:48
Speaker
but But it's the hypocrisy that just is not good, Jose. He was better off just keeping his mouth shut, generally. like The best thing for him was just to, we don't know what's happened, we'll sit we'll talk we'll sit we'll let UEFA do his job and then we'll go. That was the best thing for him.
00:59:07
Speaker
To come out and say all that... That's the thing. Sorry to cut you off, but that's the thing. Don't get me wrong. Temperatures are high. There's a lot going on. But as soon as...
00:59:18
Speaker
like as soon as you hear potential racisms on the cards, you as a manager, I don't do the black friends thing, I've got black mates or whatever. If if there's a real um effort to get rid of this thing from football,
00:59:33
Speaker
you have you have to be play play your part in And your part in it, Jose Mourinho, was to say, you know what? I wasn't close enough to him. I don't know what's happened.
00:59:44
Speaker
We have to let the investigation take place and then we'll get our answer later on down the line. But I can't say anything about what's happened because I don't know. Like, you know what mean? that I don't think anyone could have begrudged him for saying that. I don't think that's throwing player under the bus. That's not throwing a player under the bus. It's not picking sides. It's just, bro, I don't know. Because you don't know.
01:00:04
Speaker
you You've come out and said a whole bunch of nothing. Now, me, as a person who's watched football for years, Jose Mourinho's been an elite manager for years. I don't care about that guy anymore.
01:00:16
Speaker
Just from this one incident, he's completely... Just like that. Just like that. Just for the way he's handled this thing. So for me, it's very important how we choose to move forward when it comes to dealing with the situation. So you wait for, you've backed yourself in the corner.
01:00:33
Speaker
You've taken a long, long time to what what what's the investigation for? that You can't rewind time and go back and go see if the incident actually happened. The evidence has been the same since the incident yeah happened. You know what mean? You're going to get tested, um not testimony, but um you're going bring players forward to come and give their accounts of what actually happened. Someone's going to say, oh I heard him say this. Someone's going to say, oh I heard, no, you said this. Bro, they tried, bro, this is the worst thing about it. They tried to say, my man said, um
01:01:07
Speaker
a homophobic slur instead of a racist one. said That was going to make it better. Ban him anyway! ban him anyway! Ban him anyway! Don't they wear the striped armbands for primarily? Yeah, yeah, you'll be what we didn so and they yeah. Ban him for that then.
01:01:26
Speaker
I did read in the official rules the punishment for racism and um homophobia is the same. So good luck, mate. Get him for sight. Get him for sight. Get him for sight. you can't get him for first degree murder, get him for manslaughter. him for sight. I don't understand. And he's admitted to that's what he said. So, all right, cool. You've done a racism investigation. He didn't say anything racist. He said sight homophobic.
01:01:49
Speaker
Bye. Do you know what's mad yet? Do you know what's so funny yet? Man's backed into a corner, yeah. he has to He has to say something. He has to say he said something thing that was highly offensive. And in his in their heads, they're just thinking, oh, what can we say? That's not racism.
01:02:07
Speaker
Oh, because it can't be racism. or Otherwise, like, obviously it'll be it'll be so it'll be too bad. Everybody will criticise us. Oh, you know what? Homophobia. Yeah. That's going That's going to do it. that's Bro, at first they tried to say, oh, he said brother. He said brother. That's what he said first. That's not what you said, man.
01:02:28
Speaker
That's not... good luck Anyway, good luck to them. I just... It's... Sometimes it's... Don't get me wrong. The act of racial abusing someone is horrid, yeah?
01:02:44
Speaker
But what makes it worse is the reaction to it. That's what it that's And how and now people manage it and how people... It's always a... the
01:02:56
Speaker
stop being defensive, stop being defensive and face it hand on head on. yeah your you and don't And stop telling me about this person's a nice guy like or a nice person. Stop telling me about all that because nice people do wrong things.
01:03:12
Speaker
All the time in life. All the time. I do wrong things sometimes. Like I am capable of doing wrong. and if I do something heinous I should be punished for it like sorry you can say I've got a family he's a married man did if I've done something heinous that is bad I need to be punished and and the thing and the thing it's like obviously not to f throw an entire nation under the bus but like bro man's from Argentina like
01:03:44
Speaker
I'm not going to say what's happened in Argentina. If you want to go look at the history of Argentina, you can. It's there. There's history books. You can Google it. You can watch videos. There's 5,000 documentaries on this kind of thing, isn't it?
01:03:58
Speaker
it It's not super far-fetched that he may have some prejudice against black people. Just saying, it's not against him. Even your own captain, they were singing chants.
01:04:12
Speaker
against the whole French team saying crazy stuff. right Listen, so i saw i saw a um ah saw like there's some rumours now that they're trying to renegotiate some contracts of the Avenger and Kaysado.
01:04:27
Speaker
Then there's a follow-up um there's a follow-up um a follow-up to it that said um one of the Chelsea players has rejected the first offer.
01:04:38
Speaker
I pray that's Enzo. I pray that's Enzo. Well, light a light. I need that guy gone this summer, please. say He is lazy.
01:04:49
Speaker
He was offensive in the summer. Get guy gone. but But then your club made him captain. And then we made him captain. is It's the it' the response to all these things. I'm not saying that. Obviously, within football, there should always, not even just within football, in life, there should always be a path to redemption. With new and with new information, you should be able to act differently.
01:05:13
Speaker
different. There's even a saying for it. But you can't go and make Man come captain a month after, two months after vice-captain, two months after doing that. Like, you just can't. But the thing is, what happens is... If Wazinha does anything good in this Chelsea team, the first thing he'll do is take Enzo away from that vice-captaincy or they'll sell him in the summer. One or two. need one of those two things done.
01:05:39
Speaker
For a lot of people, being called a racist is like, one of the worst things you can be called, because that affects sponsorships, that affects so many different things. You play with black footballers all the time. If you're labelled as a racist, then it's very damaging to you. So all your people come around and they come and start defending you. Defending you, yeah. No, no, no, no. I've been around... Bro, Liverpool, Suarez, they were wearing t-shirts for Suarez, bro. Like, this is just... this is just and People don't talk about that enough, you know. don't talk about that enough.
01:06:08
Speaker
This is what... You think you can make me put on the top? and the back I don't care what teammates like what we do like someone someone it takes for someone to stand up and say listen whether he said it or didn't say it we can't do this this is stupid bro like let's just like handle it bro there was the picture of flipping Coutinho and Luis Suarez and Coutinho's holding a badana like like we if we're all gonna be stupid that was insane laughing
01:06:40
Speaker
That was insane! Oh my God! That was insane! my God. Sometimes all you can do is laugh because when you really when you really think about this stuff, it's like, bro...
01:06:58
Speaker
it's not that you can't say anything to Vinny. It's not that you can't cuss his mum. It's not that you can't say he's a waste man. You can't tell him to F off you. It's not that you can't do all that stuff. You can. Fans can boo him. Fans are going to... Well, you can't throw stuff. Actually, you can't throw anything at these ones. Man's dancing. He's dancing at a corner flank. Don't get wrong. I'll be vexed too. Yeah, I'll be saying...
01:07:26
Speaker
I'll be saying all staff, do you know what I mean? Racism is what we're trying to cut out, that's the main thing. trying Do you know do what do I don't like? you It's this like, oh racism doesn't have a place in football, um kick it out of football.
01:07:46
Speaker
And do you know our problem to my problem with that line is, I might be like just being pedantic, but my problem them with that phrase, with those lines, with those slogans, football's a microcosm of society.
01:08:01
Speaker
Like this is going to be here, whether you like it or not. Like generally, I'm not even, I'm just being a realist. This is going to be here for a hundred years plus.
01:08:13
Speaker
whether you like it or not, what you need to be doing is focusing on how you battle it when it happens, how you react to it and how you punish it. Because theyre cause what I want, people will always have their own thoughts, their own views, whatever. but What i want is someone to be so scared to vocalise those views that...
01:08:34
Speaker
they the punishment is so harsh that they go, I'll think twice about doing that. yeah that's the That's exactly what they need to be doing. The fines for clubs, like for example, Benfica need to be facing millions of pounds of fines.
01:08:50
Speaker
If Benfica face millions of powers of fines every single time someone does that in the stands, anytime a single fan throws racial abuse at someone, I promise you, Benfica will start to do their own campaign to get their fans to stop it.
01:09:08
Speaker
Yeah. And FIFA and f FA won't even have to spend any money on doing any campaigns. I promise i promised you. I remember speaking about this with some of the boys in our group chat, because what people were saying was that, um what about if, what stops a Porto fan going and putting on Benfica clothes, going to the Benfica side, just doing racist things just to get them fined or deducted points whatever. But... it's true tro there's a digital troll if you've been matches before we've got your details on whether you've been at a game before we've seen um you can find your social medias you can find linkedins and see like he's tweeted about benfica before whatever the thing is there's pitch like you know i mean it's not that hard to do this sort of background um check to make sure this things don't happen but for me
01:09:56
Speaker
the correct punishments for these kind of things, especially if it's in the crowds here. If it's in the crowds, if it's two people, you can single them out, punish them. If it's a wide section doing monkey charts, doing certain things, your next couple games in the Champions League whatever competition is, no fans.
01:10:18
Speaker
So you're not even getting fined. You're just not making no revenue from ticket sales. How about that? There's nothing. your Your team doesn't get a boost from the home support. there's not that It's just complete silence, bro.
01:10:31
Speaker
And you let you can let the away fans come as well. Let the let the opposition fans come. But there needs to be proper repercussions for these kind of things. If all the Roman Jood players decided we're walking off the pitch, we coming back on.
01:10:46
Speaker
till its start don't Do with it now. There's not going to be a game. We just scored a goal. Don't care. If they did that, but it shouldn't be on them. It's not on them. There's a protocol now.
01:10:56
Speaker
Vinny followed it perfectly. Let's see. Let's see what UEFA do because they have to make a stance. You have to make a stance because i don't want this to happen next season and then now we're still having the same conversations that we've been having.
01:11:11
Speaker
But yeah, just to wrap it up with that. Yeah, it's just Vinny, obviously... the man is always on your side, bro, when it comes to this kind of stuff. It's not it's not even about who deserves it, who doesn't dis deserve it, because no one deserves it. doesn't matter how much you can. Do you know what? I don't really like Philly.
01:11:30
Speaker
I don't really him. We were saying he's actually better than he actually Exactly. The whole Balladour thing, like, not going to the Balladour because you're not winning. Stop being a waste, man. He's not the most likeable person. I don't really like him.
01:11:52
Speaker
But why are you so angry at him? Why are you so... These people so angry. Why are you so at him? People need to say, oh, it doesn't happen to other players. Why is it always Vinny? Mm-hmm.
01:12:05
Speaker
Because you all decided to hate him. That's why. he thought you What doing right now, you have all decided to hate him because you don't like him.
01:12:15
Speaker
I don't like him. or i can't even i don't know him, so I'm not gonna say i don't like him. But based off what I've seen, I'm not fond of him. But am I going to go online and go on his Twitter handle and throw abuse at him?
01:12:28
Speaker
No. Go on, live your life. Do something else. sort of Touch glass. Go get married. get married Go on holiday.
01:12:40
Speaker
but Go and do something else. Why are you so angry at this guy? Anyway, man, that note, thank you so much for tuning in. Oh, we have got one more segment.
01:12:53
Speaker
Yeah, was thinking, should we do it? But I'm trying to think about it. I've got one. I've got one, I think. Let's do it. So this part of the show is called Don't Blame the Ref. Just as the pod title suggests, it's where we pick a moment, a person, an organisation, an entity,
01:13:14
Speaker
um and we decide... um what situation ah would, um my might my words are getting stuck.
01:13:25
Speaker
Bro, I'm butchering that one. um But we basically decide a moment in in in the last week or couple of weeks where we we we think that that person should not blame the ref, the authorities or or someone in that situation. So um for me,
01:13:46
Speaker
going to have to go with
01:13:52
Speaker
Yeah, I'm just going to have to fur Chelsea in rice. I'm just going to have to throw Chelsea I'm just going to... No, no, no, no, I'm going to focus on my enemies. I'm going to deflect and I'm going focus on my enemies. Arsenal, don't blame the ref.
01:14:07
Speaker
Okay? Don't blame the ref. After that game, two two against Wolves, after your horrible performance, by the way,
01:14:17
Speaker
people proceeded to throw clips into the ether, into the into the worldwide web. And and but they were clutching, clutching. I've never seen a fan base clutch and try to blame someone other than their themselves and their players and to look for an excuse. There's always someone else in shame. It's okay. Relax. Just relax. You were bad.
01:14:46
Speaker
Your team are not going to win the league. It's okay. It's all right. Relax. Take it easy. You know, there's always next year.
01:15:00
Speaker
All right. What's your don't blame the ref moment? See, like now now that we certain down that you brought Arsenal into it, I'm just remembering like these particular instances. But um I'll stay away from Arsenal. I'll leave that for you. so For me, there's one in-game thing that wouldn't say don't blame the ref for.
01:15:21
Speaker
It's actually from your game. Pedro Neto. Pedro Neto, you tried to buy a penalty for... Ah! Ah!
01:15:33
Speaker
He just threw himself to the ground. thought he was going to get penny for that. Come on, bro. The fact that the ref didn't even book him, yeah, was insane. I was so angry that the ref didn't book him.
01:15:48
Speaker
So the scenario he's talking about is where Pedro Neto, where Chelsea are in the Burnley box trying fashion a chance, but the ball deflects off someone's foot and falls into Pedro Neto's path. Someone comes from behind Pedro Neto. Yeah, the guy gives Pedro Neto like a slight... I think their shoulders bump. His shoulder bumps on his back and Pedro Neto just kind of literally just falls to the floor. Mate,
01:16:15
Speaker
Horrible, horrible player. Horrible dive from a horrible player, honestly. um but Don't let that hat-trick against Hull fool you.
Chelsea Fans' Expectations and Referee Critique
01:16:25
Speaker
You Chelsea fans, you've got relax.
01:16:28
Speaker
You know what you've seen. Stop it. Stop it. You know what you've seen. hat-trick against Hull. Is that the standard? Hull! What are we What are we doing?
01:16:41
Speaker
What are we doing? No, no, no, no. Horrible, horrible. I wish the ref booked him. I wish he was banned for the next game. What, did that mean you'll have to see good match? Yeah.
01:16:53
Speaker
yeah
01:17:02
Speaker
you don't need another reboot bro you was just about to lie you couldn't even lie bro bro I went to the article yeah bro Josh you're planning another summer reboot you need one you that You guys stink, man. They're not getting the output from the summer signings that they wanted. Yeah, yeah, Sherlock, no.
01:17:24
Speaker
ah I was about to swear. Yeah. Of course. Like, what the flip. Horrible, horrible sign. And just just what just one, not really a don't blame the ref, but Presciani, I'm waiting for you. I'll do your problem, the ref, when I see your punishment. If your punishment is is is good enough, I don't want to see no statement from no Benfica. I want to see... Jose Mourinho, actually, I want an apology. I want an apology. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one thing I can't... can't like Jose. I need an apology from him.
01:17:57
Speaker
I can't lie, Jose. Look, if I'm speaking very like candidly, yeah and I'm not going to do this Black Friends thing so can say what I want. thing now like not being i'm not I'm just being serious
Jose Mourinho: Controversies and Legacy
01:18:13
Speaker
here. There are players, ex-players that he's worked with that speak so highly of him, highly of his character.
01:18:20
Speaker
yeah ah so And he's avoided the press conferences, two press conferences since these comments, yeah? So now you're being a coward. Yeah. So you're being a co you said what you said, you're being a coward.
01:18:32
Speaker
i read Like, you really need to... I'm sure some of your ex-players have reached out to you. I'll be shocked if Jono Ben-Miquel has not reached out to you, yeah? You need...
01:18:46
Speaker
to just take in what people are saying, understand it from um the people that you trust, that you you you are friends with and understand it from their point of view and just have the courage to go, you know what, I got it wrong there.
01:19:02
Speaker
And the thing is I would even respect it if, obviously, like you said, he's he's dodged a few press conferences. Maybe he's just gathering information. Maybe he's recollecting his thoughts. Maybe the next time he speaks, if he speaks very well and says, you know what, what i've said is um was the heat at the moment, but actually reflecting on what's happened, reflecting on speaking to people who I know and that helped me. and like There's a way that you can spin what's happened that makes me go, you know what,
01:19:31
Speaker
I'm okay with redemption from learning. You get what I'm saying? But... ah If you're just dodging interviews and then the next time you're waiting for it to die down... Man wants to act like nothing happened. Yeah, Jose, if you do that... If I see you in real life, I'll just boo you. Bear in mind, you are my childhood. Jose is my childhood. You think Jobber ain't called him. You think Essien ain't called him. You think all these men, like you said, Mikel. all these men you think all these men they called him bro they've all called him all these black men they've called him and they said bro you missed it that was the wrong thing to say that was the wrong one to say bro anyway it it is
01:20:19
Speaker
Yeah, this is our first visual podcast.
Visual Podcast Announcement and Closing Remarks
01:20:22
Speaker
So hopefully we'll get this out to you in a reasonable time. I don't know about video editing, but we'll see. you ah yeah That one's going to new challenge for me. So bear with us. Hopefully once we get ourselves done properly and all this, it's not just going to be a white background. going to be actually like proper done up. You know what I mean? don't be too harsh on us. You'll still get the audio on Spotify and Spotify.
01:20:47
Speaker
Apple Music. what show What show did you say it looks like that we're Or what movie did you say it looks Yeah, yeah, yeah. please so my yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah. It's getting late, man. But, um yeah, everyone, thanks for listening. Thanks for watching as well for the first time. So, yeah, um like, share, subscribe, share with your friends.
01:21:16
Speaker
Don't cry, don't beg. don't blame the ref. Peace.