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The Perspectives Pod: Episode 2
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Where we discuss a rumor about the Obamas' relationship, a world record involving considerable appreciation for human sexuality (and stamina to boot), as well as the recent appointing of Pete Hesgeth as the Secretary of Defense and emergent open-source AI model DeepSeek.
Sources/Links Discussed:
The Obamas' Relationship Rumor:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/why-people-think-barack-obama-083447595.html
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/michelle-obamas-posts-message-mentioning-barack-obama-on-instagram-sparks-speculation-amid-separation-rumors/articleshow/117749360.cms?from=mdr
Bonny Blue and Lily Phillips' World Record:
https://www.joe.ie/news/bonnie-blue-says-shes-broke-world-record-by-sleeping-with-1057-men-in-twelve-hours-830860
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/bonnie-blue-onlyfans-queue-romp-34556084
DeepSeek AI Model:
https://www.deepseek.com/
https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/what-is-deepseek-heres-a-quick-guide-to-the-chinese-ai-company
AI Model Distillation:
https://medium.com/stream-zero/understanding-the-essentials-of-model-distillation-in-ai-1e97403bee8a
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_distillation
https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/knowledge-distillation
Markov Chains:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain
https://towardsdatascience.com/text-generation-with-markov-chains-an-introduction-to-using-markovify-742e6680dc33
https://medium.com/ymedialabs-innovation/next-word-prediction-using-markov-model-570fc0475f96
Nuclear Power for Generative AI:
https://sustainability.atmeta.com/blog/2024/12/03/accelerating-the-next-wave-of-nuclear-to-power-ai-innovation/
https://medium.com/@thedatabytenewsletter/why-meta-has-begun-to-chase-nuclear-power-too-cd58f64d55e5
Locally run AI Models:
https://journal.hexmos.com/run-your-image-generator/?src=reddit
https://old.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/16y95hk/a_starter_guide_for_playing_with_your_own_local_ai/
Technological Singularity and Ray Kurzweil:
https://philosophynow.org/issues/86/The_Singularity_Is_Near_by_Ray_Kurzweil
https://www.shortform.com/blog/what-is-the-technological-singularity/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singularity_Is_Near
Dyson Sphere:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere
NIH Gag Order:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2025/01/23/trump-administration-halts-public-health-agencies-activities/
Congregation Rejecting Jesus' Teachings:
https://www.businessinsider.com/church-official-warns-christianity-in-crisis-jesus-liberal-talking-points-2023-8
https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak
Tulsi Gabbard and Assad:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/how-tulsi-gabbard-became-assads-mouthpiece-in-washington/2017/01/29/215e9c70-e4bf-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html (Opinion Piece)
https://apnews.com/article/tulsi-gabbard-assad-syria-trip-dni-trump-d06373c24d3e87a1e13c63023c64268e
Birthright Citizenship Crisis:
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-14/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/federal-judge-puts-blocks-on-trumps-order-to-end-birthright-citizenship
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Transcript
Rebranding to 'Perspectives Pod'
00:00:15
Malcolm Guidry
Okay welcome everyone to what is now going to be called the perspectives pod. The previous episode we called this bridging the gap but we had a little discussion and we decided you know what there are lots if you google um Bridging the Gap podcast, you'll get a lot of hits.
00:00:35
Malcolm Guidry
So we wanted to differentiate ourselves, kind of stand out. So we decided to go with the perspectives pod.
00:00:41
Joseph
Thank
Family Introductions
00:00:42
Malcolm Guidry
We also changed the logo and we also changed, as you'll probably notice, ah if you haven't already at the beginning, the intro and outro music has been changed.
00:00:42
Joseph
you.
00:00:53
Malcolm Guidry
So anyway, but we're still the same. um My name's Malcolm Guidry. I'm here in New York. Guys, go ahead and introduce yourselves.
00:01:03
Simone
I'm Simone Guidry. I'm in Connecticut.
00:01:05
Joseph
you much
00:01:06
Simone
I'm his daughter and I'm 26.
00:01:08
Joseph
yep Joseph um in the south and 30 years old and ah here yes yes very well yes that too maybe money i his son first ah computer analyst said
00:01:15
Malcolm Guidry
And he's my son. That's my boy.
00:01:24
Malcolm Guidry
All right.
Introduction to Topics
00:01:25
Malcolm Guidry
So lots has been happening since we recorded the previous one a week ago. And we have a lot to discuss. um We have you know cultural issues to discuss, um things that are happening in DC, et cetera, et cetera, technology issues, which we're going to also talk about. So let's go ahead and start, Simone. Why don't you go ahead and get us started? What's on your ah on your agenda?
Rumors about the Obamas
00:01:52
Simone
so recently in the media, so specifically on social media, there have been some rumors floating around that the Obamas have split. They are seemingly saying this since Michelle hasn't been spotted at either Jimmy Carter's funeral or the inauguration. um And some people are starting to speculate also that Barack has started some kind of affair with Jennifer Aniston.
00:02:21
Simone
Um, I haven't heard any remarks come from jani Jennifer or Barack themselves stating that this is true or false.
00:02:27
Malcolm Guidry
Uh huh.
00:02:28
Simone
The Obamas haven't said anything. I think it's so far fetched. I don't, I can't imagine Obama ever leaving Michelle. Like they seem very much in love. And I truly, I just believe that she didn't want to be in the situation with Trump for a second time around.
00:02:37
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:02:43
Simone
I think it's very clear how, where she stands on the situation. I think she just would have rather removed herself. but that's what's been going on in social media in the past couple of days if you guys have heard.
00:02:52
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. Yeah, let's talk about that for a minute now. I mean, of course, none of us know Barack and Michelle personally.
Impact of Rumors on Public Figures
00:03:04
Malcolm Guidry
um They are public figures, you know, being the former president and former first lady. um Yeah, they certainly do seem to have a pretty solid relationship. And Michelle is a very accomplished and intelligent and independent woman. um Yeah, i I don't, and I think, you know, Barack certainly seems to have a lot of respect for her. I just don't see that. I mean, yeah, I i don't see that happening. If it is true, well, okay, fine, whatever. You know, that's part of life. Couples sometimes break up, and and that's unfortunate.
00:03:47
Malcolm Guidry
But i yeah, I think i think a a little time needs to pass by, and and some facts need to be uncovered before we start believing what are currently just rumors.
00:04:00
Simone
Yeah. I just, I'm surprised that, that, that no one's really made a statement on this yet though, which I find interesting. Maybe they are separated, but I just highly doubt that he would ever be with
Political Use of Rumors
00:04:12
Simone
Jennifer Aniston.
00:04:12
Simone
Nothing wrong with Jennifer Aniston.
00:04:13
Malcolm Guidry
No, of course not.
00:04:14
Simone
It's just like, he's a celebrity.
00:04:15
Joseph
Yeah. I mean, if anything, that sounds like someone picked Jennifer Aniston for the saucy factor.
00:04:22
Simone
Yeah.
00:04:22
Joseph
Because the first thing and thing I heard about this was from you, Simone.
00:04:26
Simone
Oh.
00:04:26
Joseph
And my first thought was, boy, this is a perfect time for but she's a piece of news like that to come out. Because what better way to get an attention-grabbing expose of how the Democrats are falling apart than to have the modern Clintons break up?
00:04:41
Simone
uh-huh
00:04:42
Malcolm Guidry
Well, that's a very good point.
00:04:43
Joseph
any
00:04:45
Joseph
i It could be true. I am not saying it's not true. I am not saying it's true. I'm just saying that
00:04:52
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:04:52
Joseph
There are rumors like this that come out all the time.
00:04:54
Joseph
I'm thinking back to the presidential campaign we had just a few months ago, where there was a rumor started about Tim Walz killing a man. And it was, of course, unfounded, but it was pushed around through social media circles.
00:05:04
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:05:07
Joseph
And it didn't get very popular, but or a better example, actually, would be J.D. Vance and the couch. That, as far as we know, is untrue.
00:05:15
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah,
00:05:16
Joseph
But apparently, did that get some news play?
00:05:18
Malcolm Guidry
that certainly did. um Yeah, allegedly J.D. Vance was having sex with a couch when he was, ah what, in college and living with a roommate or something?
00:05:27
Joseph
Yes.
00:05:32
Joseph
I don't know when, but I know that the yeah allegedly it was in his Hillbilly Elegy book, which it is not in that book.
00:05:39
Malcolm Guidry
OK. Yeah. So, you know, a lot of a lot of rumors are started about famous people that are just not true. OK. No matter how much you like them, no matter how much you dislike them, you know, you've got to go with the facts and ignore the bullshit. So, you know, that's that's in politics, as I mentioned before, politics is the only truly adult sport.
00:06:04
Malcolm Guidry
It's a blood sport, essentially. And especially when you get to that level, people will stop at practically nothing to discredit you.
00:06:11
Malcolm Guidry
So you got to have a really thick skin.
00:06:11
Simone
Um hmm.
00:06:11
Joseph
Yeah.
00:06:14
Joseph
Which is not to say that sometimes these things, which is not to say that these things don't happen. I think it's not political, but a very renowned respect.
00:06:20
Malcolm Guidry
Are you saying that people sometimes have sex with their couches?
00:06:27
Joseph
Look, I can't speak to all the 340 million people in this country and beyond.
00:06:31
Malcolm Guidry
Uh-huh.
00:06:32
Joseph
All I can say is that love finds a way. But no, there is a renouncer.
00:06:36
Simone
and
00:06:36
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:06:38
Malcolm Guidry
Crazier things happen. Crazier things happen, you know.
00:06:41
Joseph
I've seen some of those crazier things. boy
00:06:43
Malcolm Guidry
yeah You know, yeah.
00:06:44
Simone
speaking
Elon Musk's Controversial Salute
00:06:45
Malcolm Guidry
so
00:06:45
Simone
of um Speaking of rumors, I guess this isn't really a rumor, it's more of an opinion.
00:06:50
Simone
I was wondering what your opinions were on the salute that Elon Musk gave at the inauguration.
00:06:56
Joseph
Well,
00:06:58
Simone
Because I see a lot of people discussing that also, and they're very conflicted on whether it was a Nazi salute, or a Roman salute, or something just somewhat on the spectrum, and he's not fully there, some people are also saying, but he is also a grown man.
00:06:58
Joseph
no
00:07:06
Joseph
well
00:07:15
Joseph
I'll say that I actually i have a fair amount of classmates and a couple friends who are on the spectrum, a couple of them actually significantly so. I've never once seen them spontaneously throw out a racist symbol or a Nazi symbol or anything like that.
00:07:29
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:07:29
Joseph
i' I've seen the Roman salute. I'm a fan of the Roman Republic era and beyond. And while I acknowledge it is very similar, it actually wasn't around during that era as far as I can tell the Roman salute was created in the 18th century by a painter.
00:07:46
Joseph
And even if it was common, and I mean the most basic shreds of common sense that I acknowledge Elon Musk's ketamine-fueled brain may not have anymore, would tell you, don't make a motion like that.
00:08:00
Joseph
But the fact that he did it and did it twice after turning around
00:08:00
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:08:03
Simone
been
00:08:05
Joseph
and that he's proceeded to make nothing but Nazi puns and a speech to Germany's nascent neo-Nazi party, it was a Nazi salute.
00:08:08
Malcolm Guidry
and
00:08:14
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:08:16
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, recently right he recently spoke to, as you just mentioned, he recently spoke to the AFD, which is the far right um
00:08:16
Joseph
He made a Nazi salute and he wanted to do it.
00:08:27
Joseph
yeah
00:08:29
Malcolm Guidry
party political party in Germany that um I don't know how else to describe them I mean they do have nat Nazi sympathies ah and so that having very recently happened coupled with his
00:08:39
Joseph
Yeah.
00:08:48
Malcolm Guidry
blatantly obvious Nazi salute, let's call it what it is.
00:08:52
Simone
So.
00:08:52
Malcolm Guidry
don't yeah Look, if the guy, yeah, he's on the spectrum, so what? He's also the richest guy in the world. You can't tell me that he's not smart enough to know the difference between, um you know oh, my heart goes out to you and a Nazi salute.
00:09:05
Malcolm Guidry
The son of a bitch is a Nazi sympathizer, and I think we should call it what it is.
00:09:11
Malcolm Guidry
And let's not beat around the bush because this is very serious stuff. This was done at the inauguration of a president of the United States. The president of the United States didn't come out and say something against this.
00:09:11
Joseph
Agree.
00:09:25
Malcolm Guidry
So, guys, let's not sweep it under the rug, okay?
00:09:28
Joseph
and um And I say this as well too. Let's pretend that he had only done it once. The first one, you could possibly understand it that way. Let's even pretend he genuinely didn't mean to do it. A lot of neo-Nazis and Nazi sympathizers online are taking it as a Nazi salute. A lot of people are echoing it. There was a woman who was recently taken off of a board in Pennsylvania who did it on video in response to it.
00:09:53
Joseph
Even if the intent was not harmful, it's being taken as harmful by a lot of people.
00:09:57
Malcolm Guidry
It is warm.
00:09:58
Joseph
And if he had not intended to make that gesture as a Nazi salute, he would have said something to the effect of, I didn't mean to do that. Please stop making Nazi salutes in public.
00:10:08
Malcolm Guidry
yeah No, no, no, come on.
00:10:09
Joseph
Instead, he's done Nazi puns.
00:10:11
Malcolm Guidry
No, listen. Now he knew exactly what he was doing. It was intentional. He did it as a as a middle finger to whoever he was trying to insult.
00:10:22
Malcolm Guidry
And it it's it is what it is, okay?
00:10:26
Joseph
And I think insults is the perfect word there because this is not my analysis, but I read this online.
00:10:30
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:10:32
Joseph
There was a comment somewhere, but it speaks perfectly to the type of person he is, I think.
00:10:34
Malcolm Guidry
Oh, sure.
00:10:39
Joseph
Elon Musk is someone who spends a lot of time online in a lot of circles that value of reverency and contrarianism over everything else.
00:10:48
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:10:49
Joseph
Warchand is a website that I'm sure he's frequented many times, probably still does, and it's
00:10:52
Malcolm Guidry
Mm hmm.
00:10:56
Joseph
um guiding light has always been reject the consensus be an asshole because it why not it doesn't matter what the political belief is or what it isn't so the problem with that though is that Elon Musk may not actually be a neo-nazi he might just be doing it to stir the pot and it's working very well it's when the neo-nazis see that happening and decide yes someone supports us
00:11:20
Malcolm Guidry
Well, that's exactly right.
00:11:21
Joseph
thats the
00:11:22
Malcolm Guidry
you're You're absolutely right. The message it sends, it sends the wrong message and it validates, ah you know, groups like neo-Nazis, the Klan, the order, all these white supremacist organizations, it validates them and it makes them feel like, hey, you know, I mean, my God, um they're becoming bolder and bolder now and that's very dangerous.
00:11:47
Joseph
And a lot of their veterans have been put, well, not a lot of them, but some of them have been released back into the public, thanks to the January 6 part.
00:11:54
Malcolm Guidry
This is true. This is correct. Yeah. um
Musk's AI Ventures
00:11:57
Malcolm Guidry
So yeah.
00:11:57
Joseph
And I want to, sorry to interrupt, I just want to clarify, I'm not calling all of them white supremacists. I think they're all insurrectionists, but there were white supremacists in that group. There were not any of them, but they've learned two things.
00:12:10
Joseph
One, how to invade the Capitol building, and two, that they got away with it.
00:12:12
Malcolm Guidry
yeah Right, right. Yeah, unfortunately. Anyway, so yeah, that that was, well, now you know how we feel about that, Simone.
00:12:23
Malcolm Guidry
um
00:12:25
Simone
I didn't doubt it for a second, I felt.
00:12:27
Joseph
Absolutely.
00:12:27
Malcolm Guidry
Well, it's it's unfortunate, but you know just because you have a billion dollars doesn't mean you're the smartest person in the world. Elon Musk gets very intelligent.
00:12:36
Joseph
up
00:12:38
Malcolm Guidry
There's no question about that. um Most billionaires who earned it on their own and didn't inherit it are very intelligent.
00:12:48
Malcolm Guidry
Absolutely. But just because you are doesn't mean you have the right to get on a platform and start espousing your views and thinking you're the smartest person in the room or in the world.
00:13:00
Malcolm Guidry
and everybody should listen to you. No, no, no. That's very dangerous. Anyway, let's move on. um So, all right, so Simone, you talked about your your, you spoke about both of your issues.
00:13:16
Simone
No.
Controversial Feats and Public Reaction
00:13:17
Malcolm Guidry
What was your other one?
00:13:19
Simone
um I don't know if you guys have heard about this lady, two different women in social media right now who actually live in Europe.
00:13:27
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:13:29
Simone
um One is named Bonnie Blue, the other one is Lilly, Lilly something. um And they have recently broken the record. Well, first one started with this woman, Lilly, she broke the record for sleeping with,
00:13:42
Simone
um hundred men within 24 hours a couple months ago and since then as of I think a couple weeks ago Bonnie Blue has broken that record, surpassed her by a lot doing a thousand men in 24 hours. um Obviously the first time around with this 100 men.
00:14:04
Simone
I think this woman Lilly, she was so upset in this video interview afterwards. She was crying, but she wasn't crying for the reason that you think she was crying because she only had two minutes to give each man.
00:14:17
Simone
And she was very disappointed that not all of them could
00:14:18
Malcolm Guidry
Really?
00:14:22
Simone
you know, reach completion or whatever. She was crying on this interview afterwards.
00:14:27
Malcolm Guidry
Okay.
00:14:27
Simone
So that has been the thing discussed in the past two weeks. I think a lot of the country's just mortified as to why she'd want to do this.
00:14:38
Simone
Obviously, this is just like a couple of days of fame. She's not going to go down as a famous person.
00:14:42
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:14:44
Simone
She's going to be infamous, I guess, for all the wrong reasons.
00:14:46
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:48
Simone
And a lot of people are saying now that she'll never be able to find a husband. or have kids because um I mean why would you want to have kids and have them like say you have a son they go to school and now your son is bullied because oh I saw online what your mom did 20 years ago oh and do you even know who your dad is like all that horrible stuff.
00:14:59
Malcolm Guidry
Right,
00:15:03
Malcolm Guidry
right right, right.
00:15:07
Simone
um
00:15:08
Malcolm Guidry
yeah That's really sad. It's unfortunate. It's, um, my gosh, where to start, you know, just from the perspective of a father to a daughter.
00:15:22
Malcolm Guidry
The shame you bring onto your family, I'm sure her parents must be proud, okay? Makes you question the kind of family she comes from. And I don't wanna sound too judgmental. Listen, I strongly believe in what white two or a thousand adults do together. And the privacy of their own bedroom is up to them. What you do as an adult in your own home is your business.
00:15:51
Malcolm Guidry
And if you want to sleep with a hundred guys in 24 hours or a thousand, it's on you, okay? I don't think anybody should be persecuted or prosecuted for that as long as it's all consensual. I don't, i'm um but of course, why would you want to do that? Number one, even if it's 10 guys in 24 hours, you gotta think, cooties, number one, I think of cooties. It's like, oh man, what are they sharing with her?
00:16:20
Simone
She originally, the first one, Lilly, who did 100 Guys in 24 Hours, she originally requested that they all you know have STD testing and then also wear a condom, but it was getting down to like the last couple of guys or whatever, and they had realized that they didn't have enough, some had backed out, and she needed to rush, her assistants needed to rush and find more men, because they Didn't have the hundred and so they ended up finding some guys apparently on the street that obviously didn't have the STD testing for that immediate moment So I mean thankfully they used condoms, but I mean I hope it's so I hope she's fine Yeah, yeah but it seem so
00:16:50
Malcolm Guidry
Wow. So how do you do that? you you Hey, excuse me. You. Yo. Yeah, you standing on the corner there. You want to get laid? Right now. Come with me. Come on. Did they videotape this stuff?
00:17:07
Simone
um there was like some like vlog style like no faces shown and all that but like i don't think i'm not sure if it was like filmed and recorded to go on like ah like a porn website or only fans or anything like that i'm not sure but then it also leads a lot of people to like how do we know she actually did it it's like is there any proof or is she just saying this it's like yeah just
00:17:13
Malcolm Guidry
Uh-huh.
00:17:26
Malcolm Guidry
who Well, that's true too. I mean, you know, if you're planning, if you're claiming to establish a record, try to beat a record, you've got to have, there have to be witnesses there who can attest to to the record being beaten.
00:17:41
Simone
Yeah.
00:17:42
Joseph
I think they usually, like if it's Guinness Book of World Records, they need to have actual attendee, like someone there to watch the entire event.
00:17:44
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:17:49
Simone
Now would it but be something that they'd put in the Guinness World Record book?
00:17:49
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:17:49
Joseph
with
00:17:53
Simone
Because kids buy that book.
00:17:54
Malcolm Guidry
i You know, I don't know.
00:17:54
Joseph
Well, do they even publish the book anymore?
00:17:56
Joseph
Like is it a physical book or is it a website?
00:17:57
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:59
Simone
I think they'd go have a book.
00:17:59
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. I think it is. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it's as popular as it once was when I was a kid.
00:18:05
Malcolm Guidry
Oh, yeah. I thought it was amazing. Man, all the things you'd read in the Guinness Book of Records.
00:18:05
Simone
Yeah.
00:18:07
Simone
Yeah.
00:18:09
Malcolm Guidry
So.
00:18:10
Simone
Yeah.
00:18:10
Joseph
Well, even if it's not in the Guinness Book of World Records, i I don't think many people would contest it if there was sufficient proof for the average person.
00:18:19
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:18:19
Simone
Yeah, I actually have a friend who was in the Guinness World Record.
00:18:22
Simone
My friend's brother, my friend Cara, her brother Phillip had the longest tongue back in like 2014 or something.
00:18:28
Malcolm Guidry
Are you kidding me?
00:18:29
Simone
He was in the...
00:18:31
Joseph
Well, how long was this time?
00:18:31
Malcolm Guidry
The longest tongue.
00:18:32
Simone
And Cara's tongue, his sister's, her tongue is also very long.
00:18:35
Malcolm Guidry
Well, that's into what's got to be hereditary.
00:18:36
Simone
oh I don't know how long it It is definitely, yeah.
00:18:39
Malcolm Guidry
Very interesting.
00:18:40
Simone
Um, but as for this Lilly girl and Bonnie blue, it's unfortunate cause they're both like really pretty blonde women, blue eyes, like London. They look put together and they're just not who you would like kind of think to do this.
00:18:55
Simone
Like someone who lives on the street maybe and like needs to like, so I have no idea what went through either of their brains to do this.
00:18:56
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:19:01
Simone
Cause they like, they could just go get married, find a husband. They seem pretty smart enough, but that seems to be out the window now.
00:19:08
Joseph
I mean, I would have one hand and the other hand. One hand is certainly a lot of bewilderment and frankly, astonishment. um Say nothing else, but that is a significant feat of human endurance. on I mean, I know the motions and that's hard to keep up for 24 hours, but
00:19:30
Simone
I don't think she was doing much of anything.
00:19:31
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, I doubt it.
00:19:32
Simone
yeah
00:19:32
Joseph
but even if you're just lay it That's still a lot, pardon the phrasing, it's a lot to take.
00:19:33
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:19:37
Malcolm Guidry
It is no pun intended.
00:19:37
Simone
Yeah, think mentally.
00:19:38
Simone
I think mentally it's a lot.
00:19:40
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:19:41
Joseph
Mentally, physically, I mean, hopefully she got a lot of water after she was done.
00:19:45
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, I i just
00:19:45
Joseph
hu
00:19:47
Malcolm Guidry
um I don't know why anybody'd want to do that and then when you know, you have to think and you know Simone as you said earlier um This is now out in the open people all around the world know about this.
00:19:58
Malcolm Guidry
This is now documented by the media. So How are you gonna live this down? I mean
00:20:03
Joseph
Well, that that's the other hand ah that I'd actually put out. Imagine this being done 50 years ago. It's inconceivable, I think. it just would like a but the The authorities would likely have gotten involved just to stop the cameras rolling.
00:20:18
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:20:18
Joseph
It would have been seen as not just uncouth, but illegal, possibly.
00:20:23
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:25
Joseph
Nowadays, it's certainly not something that's dinner table conversation. It definitely puts those two women thoroughly on the alternative of lifestyles. But we've had a thawing, and I say we, I'm speaking mostly to the u United States, possibly the Western world, we've had a thawing of perspectives about sex.
00:20:33
Malcolm Guidry
yeah
00:20:42
Joseph
And it not sex is not taboo anymore. Even just some discussions of kink are not really that taboo, or at least they're less so. And I don't, I personally don't think it will follow her as much as it might have another like 15, 20 years ago.
00:20:59
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:20:59
Joseph
It will certainly be a mark of notability.
00:21:04
Joseph
I'm sure a lot of men or women, whom whomever, I don't know, would think more than twice about it. But I don't think this is life ending, relationship ending or anything like that anymore.
00:21:17
Malcolm Guidry
Well, you're probably right.
00:21:18
Joseph
you
00:21:19
Malcolm Guidry
As far as it not being, you're right. It's not going to be life ending. It's not going to be relationship ending, but it will affect the quality of her life and the quality of the the relationships she has with other men because, you know, number one,
00:21:37
Malcolm Guidry
I mean, it's just, it's it's negative. And I mean, listen, one thing we do need to address, the double standard. How would we feel if it were two guys who slept with a thousand women in a 24 hour period or a hundred women in a 24 hour period?
00:21:53
Malcolm Guidry
Let's not forget, you know, Wilt Chamberlain, you guys may not know who he is. Wilt Chamberlain was a famous ah now ah basketball player.
00:22:03
Joseph
Masking a player.
00:22:04
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, he was in the NBA in the, I think in the 60s and 70s. And I want to say it's in the Guinness Book of Records that he's alleged to have slept with over a thousand women during his lifetime.
Societal Double Standards on Promiscuity
00:22:19
Malcolm Guidry
which is a lot, you know but but still, you know double standards are that a lot of people would look at that, especially men and say, wow, go wilt, whereas a woman, no. So I'm not advocating that you should sleep with a thousand people or even a hundred people in a 24 hour period or even in you know your entire lifetime, but what I am saying is,
00:22:44
Malcolm Guidry
Just whatever you do, keep it to yourself. Hey man, we're all adults. Whatever you do in your bedroom is your business. That is your business. And I don't care how freaky you want to get, go for it. But it has to involve, you know, consenting adults, two or more.
00:23:03
Malcolm Guidry
whatever, and preferably no animals, and certainly not any kids. okay So what happens between two consenting adults? I really don't care. I really don't care. But you know publicizing it like this is just insane.
00:23:16
Malcolm Guidry
And it will hurt. it will Unfortunately, it's sad. It will hurt their their spend their their future prospects, employment and relationships.
00:23:27
Simone
Their mental health, her mental health.
00:23:28
Malcolm Guidry
yeah
00:23:30
Simone
Yeah.
00:23:30
Malcolm Guidry
It's sad. It's sad. It's a shame. Anyway, all right.
DeepSeek AI Model Introduction
00:23:35
Malcolm Guidry
ah Joseph, talk to me, brother.
00:23:40
Joseph
Well, ah nothing as titillating as what Simone offered up. And I really want to thank you, Simone. That was enlightening.
00:23:45
Malcolm Guidry
That was good.
00:23:46
Joseph
I'm going to make that.
00:23:46
Simone
yeah You're welcome.
00:23:48
Joseph
The human interest is an underrated part of discussion, because quite frankly, a lot of people find things like that interesting.
00:23:48
Simone
Anytime.
00:23:55
Joseph
I don't have that to offer. I have computer technology. I have Generative AI and specifically a recently developed model by a company.
00:24:06
Joseph
I forget the name of the company, but they're a China-based company.
00:24:08
Malcolm Guidry
It's sync.
00:24:10
Joseph
DeepSeek is the name of the model, yes.
00:24:10
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:24:12
Joseph
um And it is an open source. large language model developed. And when I say open source, I mean, and that all the framework is entirely available according to, I want to say the Creative Commons license, but don't quote me on that. Point is, it's a relatively new model out on public stage, and it is competitive with leading models like OpenAI's ChatGBT01 model, which is their most recent public offering.
00:24:41
Joseph
And when I say competitive, I mean, they've got comfortable processing times. They have a rough equivalence in the result quality. The differences start to show in that O1 and chat GPT's offerings in general, they're more all purpose.
00:24:57
Joseph
You can use the same model for document creation, for image creation, for coding assistance.
00:25:03
Malcolm Guidry
right
00:25:04
Joseph
And it'll have about the same level of quality. DeepSeek, it's more specialized. It seems to do quite well at programming, code generation, which is of particular on note, because it's what I understand about generative AI. Programming is very difficult for it to accurately create.
00:25:24
Joseph
With language, well, with you know spoken language and written language, there's a lot of flexibility. know the You can phrase the cat talks to the dog 10 different ways, and it's all going to be more or less on the spot.
00:25:29
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:25:38
Joseph
But there's only one way to write programming code, or two or three, depending. But it's much more rigid.
00:25:41
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:25:43
Joseph
And Generative AI has traditionally had a lot of difficulty with that.
00:25:46
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. From what I understand, what's really been um regarding DeepSeek, number one, it's ay China created this large language model, as they're known, LLM. And they did it at a fraction of the cost that has been experienced here in the United States by chat by um OpenAI, by Google, by Meta. and I mean, it's cost these ah companies billions of dollars. They did it for, what, maybe 10 million?
00:26:24
Joseph
It was significantly less, and I believe it took a lot less time as well. And I think that's due to the method they used, which I want to clarify.
00:26:30
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:26:33
Joseph
I'm not an expert in this. I'm just obvious. But the method that I understand they used is a you have a teacher model and a student model, and the teacher model will produce results that the student model then reads and analyzes.
00:26:51
Joseph
And it essentially, it's much like a master blacksmith teaching an apprentice. The apprentice learns all the tricks and techniques and then is able to add on that themselves and improve the skill better than the master eventually.
00:26:57
Malcolm Guidry
Okay. Right.
00:27:05
Joseph
And they'll be able to do that with subsequent students. And that's the same logic behind training models like this. Each model is going to be more effective than the last.
00:27:17
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:27:17
Joseph
And I think that's the method they use.
00:27:18
Joseph
I believe it's called model distillation.
00:27:20
Malcolm Guidry
I think
Advancements in AI Techniques
00:27:21
Malcolm Guidry
you're right. I think I heard that in an in an interview with someone recently on CNBC, right?
00:27:27
Joseph
it's it's a different It's an entirely different technique from how they traditionally would train these models, which to put it in plainly plain terms is like shoving the entirety of the Encyclopedia Britannica into a computer. And it works. It's just compared to this new method, it's fairly inefficient.
00:27:45
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:27:46
Joseph
oh
00:27:47
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:27:47
Joseph
No, the the biggest, most visceral improvement that I've noticed with it, though, is with video generation. There's, I forget the name of the service.
00:27:57
Malcolm Guidry
You've tried you've tried deep seek out yourself.
00:27:57
Joseph
all of them
00:28:00
Joseph
I have. And I just ah clarify to anyone listening, all of these things we're talking about, we'll put links, you know, where I'm saying, Oh, I don't remember that exactly.
00:28:00
Malcolm Guidry
Okay.
00:28:08
Joseph
I'll put links in the footnotes for this. So if anyone is curious, you'll be able to actually access what I can't remember off the top of my head.
00:28:12
Malcolm Guidry
Right, right, right.
00:28:14
Joseph
But That said, there is a service that does video generation that is powered by DeepSeek that I experimented with. and its video generation is It has the same level of flaws that image generation currently has now, which is to say very little.
00:28:34
Joseph
They're there, um but they're subtle flaws. They're things you notice if you're looking for them.
00:28:37
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:28:39
Joseph
If you're just watching a clip passing by, you probably aren't going to think that it's AI generated. The shading is better.
00:28:44
Malcolm Guidry
right
00:28:46
Joseph
The textures are smoother. They're not excessively plastic like a lot of the early AI models. So we're at the point now where a relatively small, easily trained model that I would say within a couple of years could be run locally on your average consumer, well, your high-end consumer machines could generate effectively perfect video footage.
00:29:09
Malcolm Guidry
Right Yeah, because you know what I understand from what I understand as far as as
00:29:10
Joseph
whatever they want
00:29:14
Malcolm Guidry
The energy that's required to run these these LLMs, it's massive, has something to do with the tokens, right?
00:29:24
Joseph
So tokens are essentially, especially in text generation, I don't know if tokens are for video as well, but assuming we I'll just use text generation as an example.
00:29:30
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:29:34
Joseph
Tokens are how the model breaks down text and then creates it. um it You know how whenever you're typing on your phone and you have word prediction and you can just, yeah, yeah that's I believe called a Markov chain and it's essentially what is the most likely word that's going to be typed next?
00:29:40
Malcolm Guidry
right
00:29:46
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:29:54
Joseph
That same concept is applied to large language models for text generation.
00:30:00
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:30:00
Joseph
You'll input your prompt, and then the model, which has been trained on a significant amount of text already, will process your prompt into tokens and then determine the best initial response, the best initial token.
00:30:14
Malcolm Guidry
Right. Right.
00:30:14
Joseph
And that will be a sentence fragment. It might be anywhere from 10 to 15 words, maybe less.
00:30:19
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:30:20
Joseph
and then it will analyze the possible results for the next token. It's not necessarily the most likely one.
00:30:24
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:30:26
Joseph
That's set by parameters you can adjust on a local model or that the provider will adjust on their end to allow for more randomness, to allow for less topic alignment.
00:30:26
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:30:32
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:30:39
Malcolm Guidry
um You know.
00:30:39
Joseph
And this all lets you have a very unique result.
00:30:43
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. You know, I came across a definition of, and and this might help people really understand what tokens are when it comes to LLMs. Imagine you're writing a story and you're using Lego blocks to build the story. ah Each block is a small part of the story, like a word, part of a word, or even a punctuation mark.
00:31:05
Malcolm Guidry
These blocks are what we call tokens in an
AI Tokens Explained with Lego Analogy
00:31:08
Malcolm Guidry
LLM. An LLM is a large language model. So when a computer reads your story, it doesn't understand sentence sentences like we do. So it breaks the story into these tiny pieces, these tokens, to process and figure out what you're saying. So for example, the sentence, I like cats, might be broken into tokens like I, like cats, and then the period.
00:31:35
Malcolm Guidry
The LLM uses these tokens to learn patterns and predict what comes next, just like how you can guess the next word in a sentence when you're reading. The smaller pieces make it easier for the model to handle and understand language. So, with regard to why LLMs require so much computing power. okay Number one, so many tokens. When you're processing a lot of text, like books, websites, conversations, there are millions or even billions of tokens to deal with. Remember, those tokens are represented by those Lego blocks. okay
00:32:14
Malcolm Guidry
So there are millions or billions of those to deal with. The model has to understand how these tokens fit together, like solving a massive puzzle. That requires a lot of energy. Also, complex math. For every token, the model does a huge amount of math to figure out what it means and predict what comes next.
00:32:34
Malcolm Guidry
ah It's like solving hundreds of math problems at once for every little Lego block and then um Big models LLMs have billions of tiny connections like brain cells. Okay that work together to process the tokens More connections mean the model is smart But it also needs a lot of computing power to keep everything running. So you guys um I know you've heard that ah The amount of natural resources, energy it's going to take to run these these computers, these LLMs.
00:33:11
Malcolm Guidry
It's going to be a huge amount of of resources, and they're trying to figure out what best approach to
Energy Requirements for AI
00:33:18
Malcolm Guidry
take. How should we fuel these? Have you heard anything, Joe, about any perspective energy ah resources that they could use?
00:33:21
Joseph
ah
00:33:28
Joseph
Well, with respect to the energy usage, I've heard they want as much energy as quickly as possible because they have the ability to scale their research and their deployment of active models as much as they can.
00:33:39
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. Right.
00:33:42
Joseph
So they're only limited by what they can access. i I think that it would be a wise idea to invest into renewable energy resources on a large scale, like them personally, the companies, because they'd have complete control over the material.
00:33:58
Joseph
They would be able to have an isolated power grid that they wouldn't have to rely on external services for, and it would not contribute to pollution.
00:34:03
Malcolm Guidry
Right. You know,
00:34:07
Joseph
but
00:34:08
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. I want to say that, and and I know you've heard this, is it Google or is it Meta who are looking at um possibly reactivating an old nuclear power plant?
00:34:21
Joseph
I haven't heard about that, but that would be a wise idea.
00:34:23
Malcolm Guidry
Okay.
00:34:26
Joseph
I'd say I'm i'm a personal big proponent of nuclear power as a concept.
00:34:29
Malcolm Guidry
Oh, yeah. Yeah, likewise. I have to look it up again. i want us It's one of the others, either Google or Meta. They're looking at ah reactivating someplace like Three Mile Island, for example, very close to where I live here in New York, just up the Hudson River. We have Indian Point. um There's there there's a a a lot of misconception and misunderstanding about nuclear power. It is compared to other types of energy like petrochemicals, it's much safer um and it's much cleaner and it's much cheaper. So I think that would be a terrific resource ah for LLMs, for AI,
00:35:16
Malcolm Guidry
powering these these huge servers that would be powering the LLMs. So I think I would certainly hope they they pursue that.
00:35:27
Malcolm Guidry
But not to say that you know ah petrochemicals are bad.
00:35:28
Joseph
Definitely.
00:35:33
Malcolm Guidry
Just to, if you'd allow me this little segue for a moment, people and a lot of people need to understand the importance of the oil and gas industry in our in our world, okay? Even if we didn't have cars, even if we used nothing but electric vehicles, you would not get rid of drilling for oil and gas. Because if you look around you in wherever it is you're sitting, wherever it is you're watching this from, look around you. You've got paint on the walls, guess what?
00:36:01
Malcolm Guidry
You have to use petrochemicals to create paint. Plastics requires a lot of petrochemicals. okay um All sorts of of other things that we use, so many things in our daily lives that we use, that we consume, that we that we deal with.
00:36:20
Malcolm Guidry
um petrochemicals are a major component of them. So I just wanted to say that. I am very concerned about climate change.
00:36:32
Malcolm Guidry
I think it is a real concern. All you have to do is look at the hurricanes. All you have to do is look at what's happening in Southern California, for example. Climate change is real. But you're not going to shut down the petrochemical industry because our world depends too highly on it.
00:36:47
Malcolm Guidry
That's all I'm going to say.
00:36:48
Joseph
Many times and soon, I would agree. um I personally have a dimmer view of the industry than I think you do, but I agree with your conclusion. ah I'm hopeful about alternatives that are conceptually effective.
00:37:02
Joseph
They're just not really scalable at the moment, such as algae-based petrochemical development.
00:37:06
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:07
Joseph
It's not going to replace anything at any real capacity anytime soon. But you know scientific advancements are always happening.
00:37:11
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:37:14
Joseph
and um And if I wanted to give an out-of-my-ass prediction within the next 150 years, I think that that technology might be scaled enough where we could cease drilling for oil then and use
Algae as a Petrochemical Alternative
00:37:26
Joseph
algae blooms.
00:37:26
Malcolm Guidry
Interesting, yeah.
00:37:27
Joseph
But that's a long way away.
00:37:29
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, I've read a little bit about the algae blooms and they are fascinating.
00:37:30
Joseph
so But for the time being, British petroleum seems like a safe investment, I'll put it that way.
00:37:33
Malcolm Guidry
There's a lot of potential there. There are certainly alternatives that we could turn to. It's just a matter of.
00:37:42
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, right, right. um It's a matter of getting the major corporations to move in that direction. You know, the exons, the BP's, ah the Texaco's, Gulf Oil, I forget who else, is a Chevron, all those guys, if we can get them to start moving that direction, but it's got to be financially profitable for them.
00:37:50
Joseph
And I.
00:38:04
Malcolm Guidry
it's If it's not profitable, look, they these are corporations.
00:38:05
Joseph
Yeah.
00:38:07
Malcolm Guidry
They're publicly traded corporations. They answer to their shareholders. I understand that, but if if it can be proven to them that it can be profitable, they'll move. They'll move.
00:38:19
Joseph
And I do have to say British Petroleum, actually, they are a company that seems to have an interest in diversifying their energy production.
00:38:20
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:38:26
Joseph
They've looked into alternative energy generation as well.
00:38:30
Malcolm Guidry
yeah Yeah.
00:38:31
Joseph
I don't know how well that's continued, but you're right about the fact that corporations are not inherently pro any system. They just want to make what is most profitable.
00:38:42
Joseph
And fortunately, Alternative energy sources are getting cheaper every year. And despite what political winds may blow, money doesn't change.
00:38:46
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:38:51
Malcolm Guidry
That's right. Absolutely. Anything else you wanted to talk to us about regarding your issues?
Benefits of Open-Source AI
00:38:58
Joseph
Well, with deep seek, what really interests me is not just its existence, but the fact that it's open source, much more efficiently developed, at least in terms of processing requirements and its results are good.
00:39:09
Joseph
I am a huge proponent of local models for generative AI.
00:39:09
Malcolm Guidry
right
00:39:14
Joseph
i Understand why online services are around they're the most effective cheapest for the consumer option to get access to powerful resources and My local text model is probably about a quarter as effective as chat GPT in terms of competency and it takes about four times longer to make But it is mine It is mine in the sense that they could shut down all generative AI services tomorrow and my computer will still be able to run it No problem
00:39:26
Malcolm Guidry
Right. Yeah.
00:39:39
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:39:40
Joseph
That's really a trend of bond that I think is important in this day and age of technology more than ever Own what you can and when I say own I mean have the file have the software Have your have your mp3s Don't just trust Spotify to keep them on because it may not always be the case you Spotify certainly but have a backup and play in place you catch EPT Have a local model just in case
00:39:45
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:39:49
Malcolm Guidry
Mm hmm.
00:39:57
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. Oh, I agree. Yeah.
00:40:05
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. um i think that's And that's probably the direction that we will end up going, I would guess, rather than letting the control stay in the hands of the powers that be. You want to always have ah that element of control for yourself.
00:40:25
Joseph
and That's how I'd like it to go. I don't think it will go that way for popular use, however.
00:40:30
Malcolm Guidry
Mm-hmm.
00:40:31
Joseph
I think that the average consumer won't want to deal with the setup involved. And it's minimal setup, but it is still a step above making an account and typing text in.
00:40:40
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:40:41
Joseph
And they can do more than your local computers can. It's more impressive. It's quicker. It's faster.
00:40:45
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:40:45
Joseph
It's better looking. But there will still be people developing local models.
00:40:50
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:40:50
Joseph
And that that will still be ah undercurrent, kind of like underground hip hop versus the mainstream. It's always going to be better.
00:40:54
Malcolm Guidry
right you know what what it's It's tremendous how quickly technology has advanced um in my lifetime.
Technological Advancements Reflection
00:41:04
Malcolm Guidry
you know Here I am, I'm 61. I'll be 62 in May. um I can remember clearly.
00:41:11
Malcolm Guidry
what life was like before people had their own PCs, their own desktops, their own laptops, before their own cell phones and then smartphones, before any of this stuff. I can remember working, you know, when I first started in the legal profession in 1997, there were still typewriters on desks.
00:41:36
Malcolm Guidry
So things have have progressed tremendously fast, especially over the last 20 years. Ray Kurzweil, who I'm a big fan of. um I know Joe, you know him. I don't know if, Simone, you're you're that familiar. Ray Kurzweil invented the flatbed scanner. He he invented keyboard, this this sort of, this keyboard, this musical instrument. um I forget some of the famous musicians. I think Stevie stevie Wonder has used Kurzweil keyboards in the past.
Kurzweil's Singularity Predictions
00:42:06
Malcolm Guidry
He's he's ah a scientist with Google now, an advisor. Anyway, he's incredible and I am a big fan of his. Wrote a famous book which I and i encourage everyone to read. ah The Singularity is Nearer and his follow-up to that book which is The Singularity is Nearer.
00:42:25
Malcolm Guidry
If you're interested in science and technology read those but he talks about how Technology has been growing exponentially and he talks about the singularity um which i'm I'm Joe you could probably um Boil it down to its essence what exactly the singularity means but you know how this is going to affect our lives and how it can improve the lives of everyone, daily lives, medically.
00:43:01
Malcolm Guidry
It's tremendous. We live in an incredible time right now.
00:43:05
Joseph
that's what What you just said, improve the lives of everyone, that's the most important part that I think any anyone should take from it.
00:43:12
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:43:13
Joseph
we We are going to have significant technological advancement. The singularity for anyone who is not aware is when artificial intelligence will be capable of improving itself autonomously without human input. It doesn't matter how quickly it takes. that the That's the point. When it gets to the point where without any external input, it's able to make a better version of itself, if the next version it creates after that will be a little smarter, a little quicker, and so on and so on. And the idea is that it becomes exponential. That at whatever point the singularity is achieved, in a relatively small amount of time later, you'll have this
00:43:49
Joseph
endlessly developing and accelerating an intelligence and capability AI.
00:43:54
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah Right, right
00:43:55
Joseph
And Kurzweil, at least in the singularity, is near. I don't know about his sequel. He's presented 2045 as the rough estimate of when that could be achieved.
00:44:07
Joseph
He may have bumped up the timetable a bit with the advent of generative AI, which is not true artificial intelligence. It's not AGI or ASI, which is artificial general intelligence or artificial service intelligence?
00:44:20
Joseph
I don't remember the acronym.
00:44:21
Malcolm Guidry
Well, I'm not sure.
00:44:22
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:44:22
Joseph
But it's not that, but it is a step closer.
00:44:26
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, I think he's bumped it up. I saw an interview with him a couple of months back. I want to say, and I could be wrong, but I want to say ah either by 2029, no later than 2035.
00:44:38
Malcolm Guidry
So he's moved.
00:44:39
Joseph
2029 is a very and optimistic date. And Kurzweil has always been an optimist in his writings about technology. And I i like that because I do think that
00:44:46
Malcolm Guidry
No.
00:44:50
Joseph
It's important to think about possibility. It's why I find science fiction as a genre so compelling is it's just possibility written.
00:44:54
Malcolm Guidry
right
00:44:57
Joseph
But getting back to what I was ah talking about with everyone, ah feeling the results of these advancements, I think it's important to not remain passive and hopeful and instead remain active and encouraging and even perhaps a little insistent with companies to develop these products in a way that will be available to benefit everyone.
00:45:19
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:45:20
Joseph
And with the appropriate cost, of course, these companies are in the business of money as well as development.
00:45:26
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:45:26
Joseph
So they're going to want to profit off of it.
00:45:28
Joseph
And it's important to be willing to pay, but also be demanding to get what you pay for.
00:45:35
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:45:36
Joseph
I'm thinking specifically of, I think it's I forget which company of Elon Musk's is developing Neuralink, but it's one of the most popular brain brain computer interfaces that might actually see commercial deployment soon.
00:45:51
Joseph
I would not trust Neuralink that much at all because of what I've seen in the actions of the company head, um to put it politely.
00:46:00
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, I agree. I absolutely agree.
00:46:04
Joseph
And while the technology is impressive, no doubt, the intent is what matters. The availability is what matters. And as consumers, we do generate the money for the companies.
00:46:16
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, I completely agree with you.
00:46:17
Joseph
you
00:46:18
Malcolm Guidry
um his His behavior has caused lots of concern among his shareholders in Tesla. And and I don't know if his other companies are publicly traded, ah but yeah.
00:46:33
Malcolm Guidry
i he His behavior is an example of when you're a public figure, ah you have to be careful how you behave in public because it can be um misperceived.
00:46:49
Malcolm Guidry
and it could negatively affect what you're trying to accomplish as as an entrepreneur. A couple of things I find fascinating. This concept of the hive mind, two things, the hive of mind, um which is essentially how, because of AI and eventually the singularity, we could get to a point where we would all be able to access this AI um simultaneously through our minds. It's pretty far out there, but I had a scientist, ah a professor in college who was teaching microbiology. I had to take it as one of my electives, loved it.
Science Fiction Inspiring Science
00:47:34
Malcolm Guidry
And he said, if it is in science, if it is conceivable, it is achievable.
00:47:40
Malcolm Guidry
And you know somebody like Ray Kurzweil, he's been right more than he's been wrong. He's been wrong about a few things, but he's been right a lot more than he's been wrong. So he's got a pretty good pretty good track record when it comes to all this stuff.
00:47:55
Malcolm Guidry
The other thing I find fascinating is the Dyson Sphere. I don't think we're gonna get to a Dyson Sphere anytime during our lifetimes, but that would be unbelievable.
00:47:58
Joseph
yeah
00:48:04
Malcolm Guidry
It's essentially a sphere that would surround a star like the sun. and you would you would be able to draw energy from the sun using the Dyson Sphere and then that energy could be used on other planets in other regions of your solar system.
00:48:22
Malcolm Guidry
Tremendous mind-blowing technology which, who knows, maybe in 500 years we might accomplish something like this.
00:48:23
Joseph
And I'll go
00:48:31
Joseph
See, this this is why I love science fiction so much is because you have these wonderful concepts that in some sub genres like hard science fiction are actually based on current scientific knowledge and others there are not very far apart from fantasy, but it it is created and with the sense that this is a possible future.
00:48:33
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:48:46
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:48:50
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:48:50
Joseph
and
00:48:52
Joseph
It's inspiring. I mean, there are a lot of young people that grew up to be scientists who were encouraged by concepts of spaceships and laser technology and these high-minded ideals presented in science fiction.
00:49:03
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:49:06
Joseph
And they have created some of them. but Some of these concepts, they have brought them into reality. I think back to Star Trek, for example, introducing the the phasers and communicators.
00:49:18
Malcolm Guidry
Sure. Yeah, exactly.
00:49:18
Joseph
oh Look at smartphones and stun guns.
00:49:21
Joseph
yeah I mean, it it is one example, and I acknowledge there are many technologies in Star Trek that would not work the way it's presented, but it encourages you to think and to wonder. And that the sense of wonder, the sense of wonder and curiosity is, in this day they day and age, more valuable than ever, because I feel like there's a trend of apathy. Not just, I'm not talking politically, I'm not even talking just culturally, but In the wake of awareness of so much being wrong with the world in so many different areas, I feel like it's so easy to get into a state of mind where, why care?
00:49:52
Simone
Both.
00:50:00
Joseph
And science fiction is almost inherently immune to that because its very existence relies on the possibility of a future.
00:50:00
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:50:04
Malcolm Guidry
right Right.
00:50:08
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:50:08
Joseph
you There is a future in all of these settings.
00:50:10
Joseph
It may not be a happy one, but it is still there. And I find it encouraging.
00:50:12
Malcolm Guidry
Sure.
00:50:15
Malcolm Guidry
I agree with you. I absolutely agree with you. Again, if it is conceivable, it is achievable. um Our lives are going to be incredible. you know and Another type of science that I find fascinating is the science of longevity, extending human lifespan.
00:50:31
Joseph
Mhm.
00:50:34
Malcolm Guidry
I like to look at it as really looking expanding your health span.
00:50:37
Joseph
Mhm.
00:50:39
Malcolm Guidry
It's one thing to be 120 years old and you're in a decrepit body. I don't want that. But you know part of the reason that I've been i've been working out for 40 years, going to the gym, working out, taking supplements, eating a healthy diet, is because I want to live as long as I can. And if I can reach 100 years old and be in a body that's 30 years younger,
00:51:06
Malcolm Guidry
or even 40 years younger? Wow, incredible. And I can stay around and see you guys live your lives, your kids. Have your grandkids and I can be there for you guys and share that. And I would certainly hope that you guys live those long lives, long health spans. And that's something science has been working
Extending Human Lifespan
00:51:29
Malcolm Guidry
on. um I hope they make some great accomplishments. I think the technology of the the idea that you might one day be able to upload your consciousness into a computer and then download it into another
00:51:46
Malcolm Guidry
body is mind blowing. Wow.
00:51:50
Joseph
That's why I find Nure Lake fascinating and terrifying, but fascinating as well.
00:51:52
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, fascinating and terrifying. There's no question. But anyway, um, okay.
00:51:59
Joseph
i Actually, before we move on to that, I do want to address, were we clearly, we love science.
00:52:01
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:52:05
Joseph
We may not understand very little of it, but it's it's a fascinating field.
00:52:05
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
00:52:08
Joseph
And this is specific to the United States.
00:52:08
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
00:52:11
Joseph
um It's important to make sure that transparency and development is around. And I am deeply concerned about that with how the and NIH has been effectively shuttered by the current
Challenges in Scientific Collaboration
00:52:24
Joseph
administration. I have a friend. She's a researcher in, I believe it's met at the medical field in some way, but they have a complete gag order. They can't publish any material. They can't communicate with other departments. And there's no quicker way to destroy any progress in the design any scientific field than to silence the ability to communicate.
00:52:46
Malcolm Guidry
Correct.
00:52:47
Joseph
If they can't publish their results, if they can't speak to the public, if they can't speak to each other, we won't get advancements. And China's developing very effective AI models.
00:52:58
Joseph
China's developing many effective things. They're not a backwater country. And if we don't want to have this century be the Chinese century, then we're going to have to not quiet our most intelligent minds.
00:53:12
Malcolm Guidry
I agree, absolutely. And you know, that's one of the one of the many wonderful things about the democracy we've created here in the United States.
Education Systems in the US
00:53:20
Malcolm Guidry
The fact that it is as open at as as it is, um the fact that we can we have this these some of the best colleges in the world.
00:53:30
Malcolm Guidry
so many people from all around the world come to the United States for the colleges and the universities. okay We have a lot of improving to do for elementary and and middle school, high school educations, but we've got the best universities and we need to continue not only that and we need to make them more affordable But um we do need to stay on top of, for a free nation such as ours, a powerful free nation such as ours, to be able to create all the things we've created scientifically, medically, technologically.
00:54:10
Malcolm Guidry
And you do.
00:54:10
Joseph
And to have that you need a culture of freedom of expression.
00:54:14
Joseph
You mean to you can attract perspective scientists with your universities, but you can't keep them unless they feel that if they stay here, they can research and they'll not only be supported in their research but supported in their release of it.
00:54:21
Malcolm Guidry
Yes.
00:54:31
Malcolm Guidry
Absolutely.
00:54:31
Joseph
and just nothing
00:54:33
Joseph
and An open forum is the best place to have scientific development because the thing is, scientists like what they do generally. They want to develop. They want to talk about it. They want to discuss with other researchers.
00:54:46
Joseph
You have to enable that. You can't silence that.
00:54:48
Malcolm Guidry
Right. Exactly.
00:54:50
Joseph
There are many policies in the administration that I'm seriously we say skeptical of, but this is one of the most damning, I think, in the immediacy and long term.
00:54:58
Malcolm Guidry
Well, I think you're right. I think, I mean, look, he's only been in office a week. um I want to give him a little more time, but some of the things he's done already concerned me, but let's, let's see where these things go. But I absolutely agree. Listen, when you couple democracy with capitalism, you have what we are today, which is the most powerful, wealthiest nation on earth.
Regulation in Capitalism and Democracy
00:55:26
Joseph
But as powerful as it is, you need guardrails in place to keep it on track because it can go so wrong.
00:55:29
Malcolm Guidry
Yes, you do. Yes, yes, absolutely. And that's why, that's where regulation comes in. I think regulation is important and unregulated, unfettered capitalism is dangerous. So that's why there have to be certain common sense regulations put in place, not only regulations for the science community, but for the financial community and other communities. But anyway,
00:55:55
Malcolm Guidry
um So, all right, we've only got a few minutes. We like to try and keep this within an hour and try not to go within over an hour.
00:56:01
Joseph
Sure.
00:56:02
Malcolm Guidry
We're probably gonna go over a little bit of it today.
00:56:04
Joseph
Well, I know, Dad, you had wanted to talk about speaking of the administration, a certain recent appointee
Concerns about Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense
00:56:09
Joseph
to that administration.
00:56:09
Malcolm Guidry
Yes, look i'm a veteran. Uh, I spent nine years Six years active duty three years in the reserves and in the air force. I love my country I mentioned this in the previous episode You could trace our family at least back to the civil war if not earlier as far as every generation serving in the military um, and pete hexath as secretary of defense concerns me because He's going to be in charge of the largest department in the federal government with 3 million personnel. Some of them are active duty, some of them are reserves, some of them are civilians. And a huge budget, the biggest budget in the federal government, close to $900 billion. dollars And this is a guy who was a news person on Fox. um He was a major,
00:57:05
Malcolm Guidry
in the military, okay, fine. Let me tell you a little bit about how the military works when it comes to rank. um When you are an officer, you start off as second lieutenant. You're a second lieutenant for six months, okay? Unless things have changed since I was in, you're a second lieutenant for six months, then you're given the rank of first lieutenant, assuming you kept your nose clean, stayed out of trouble, and did your job.
00:57:29
Malcolm Guidry
They'll give you the rank of first lieutenant, okay? You're a first lieutenant for two years, if I'm not mistaken. Again, you know, you keep your nose clean, you do your job, you're then given the rank of captain. You don't have to test for any of these, okay? And then you're a captain for three years then you get to test for major okay that's the first rank you get to test for he was a major he tested for major he passed the test he earned the rank okay that's as far as he got all right you can be a major and and look i've got a very dear friend um who i served with in england she and i dated for a while actually um she was
00:58:12
Malcolm Guidry
an officer, she got up to the rank of major, she made major, and then I think she retired. But um that's when you test for those ranks and you pass those tests, and the the enlisted corps has the same thing. After you pass, um I think it's it's Sergeant,
00:58:30
Malcolm Guidry
I believe Sergeant is given to you you, then you test for Staff Sergeant. Anyway, long story short, he only got up to Major. So how large is the organization that you're going to be in charge of as a Major? Not that big. You might be a Section Commander. um You're not going to be in charge of more than a couple of thousand people. If that,
00:58:55
Malcolm Guidry
and now he's in charge of three million people and a budget of $900 billion, dollars he doesn't have the experience, okay? So um I am deeply concerned about this. I'm deeply concerned about his um his alleged drinking, his, you know, he's got a lot of things. The reason why, guys, in all this bullshit of, oh, you know, you got all these generals that drink, you got these generals that, you know, womanize, listen,
00:59:23
Malcolm Guidry
You don't want the other side, the enemy, you don't want them to have something on you because then they can compromise you, okay? They can hold that over your head and get you to to give them secrets, okay? Anything, yeah that's why you always wanna live your life, period. Whether you're in the military or civilian, you always wanna live your life cleanly and and ethically and legally. Because if you do something that is improper,
00:59:50
Malcolm Guidry
somebody could see that and hold it over your head and really screw you. In your career, and your your a marriage in your in the case of national defense, I don't want a secretary of defense with all these skeletons in his closet.
01:00:07
Malcolm Guidry
Not to mention the fact that he is not qualified.
01:00:11
Simone
I have a question.
01:00:11
Malcolm Guidry
Another thing, go ahead.
01:00:13
Simone
um For all the previous people who upheld the position that he just got approved for, what rankings did they have? Do we know? Like what is an average ranking typically for someone in this position?
01:00:21
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, yeah as far as qualifications Everyone prior now the Department of Defense was established. I want to say in 1948 It was it was established by my hero Harry Truman um I love him. He I was born on his birthday big fan read lots of books anyway The Department of Defense, every Secretary of Defense that we've had has been supremely qualified. They've either been generals or they've been CEOs of corporations who have managed and overseen huge budgets and lots and lots and lots of people. okay This guy doesn't have those qualifications. As far as drinking and what have you,
01:01:10
Malcolm Guidry
I'm sure we've had secretaries of defense and other cabinets who have had substance issues. They like um to drink a little too much.
01:01:22
Malcolm Guidry
um Back then, it was easier to to cover it up, to keep it quiet. Now, good luck. Everything is out in the open.
01:01:31
Malcolm Guidry
so um But you've got to be careful. you know When it comes to being unfaithful with your wife, I think Bill Clinton should have resigned. And I'm a fan of Clinton's, but I think he should have resigned when it came out that he was fooling around with Monica Lewinsky, but but his arrogance.
01:01:31
Joseph
And
01:01:48
Malcolm Guidry
got the best of him because when you when you cheat and the guy was he didn't do it just once okay he was known as a philanderer right when
Executive Decisions and National Security
01:01:58
Malcolm Guidry
you do that repeatedly i can understand you do it one time you made a mistake it's up to your spouse to forgive you okay that's between you but again it goes back to having something to hold over that person's head to then get them to to do your bidding All right.
01:02:15
Malcolm Guidry
And if it's China, if it's Russia, if it's North Korea, no, we can't afford that. Bill Clinton had he resigned. Al Gore would have had an easier time winning in 2000 and we probably could have avoided George W.
01:02:28
Malcolm Guidry
Bush.
01:02:29
Simone
I like George W. Bush, I think he's funny.
01:02:31
Malcolm Guidry
he's I think in retrospect, he was a good president.
01:02:33
Malcolm Guidry
I don't question you.
01:02:33
Simone
Compared to what's going on since, I think.
01:02:36
Joseph
I mean, well, that that's the thing. i I had to remind myself of, in my opinion, how bad of a president George W. Bush was. Not in intent, but in result. I don't think he had ill intent for the country whatsoever.
01:02:49
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
01:02:49
Joseph
But George W. Bush, as far as I see it, was a terrible president. But compared to Trump, he was George Washington. That's just how far we've gotten from the basic understanding of
01:02:57
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
01:03:02
Joseph
The president wants to help the country succeed.
01:03:04
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
01:03:05
Joseph
Our current president does not want that as far as we know.
01:03:07
Malcolm Guidry
Right. And I mean, a lot of his followers would disagree with you, but
01:03:11
Joseph
The hymnally, yes.
01:03:13
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. and And again, we're, we're not here to bash.
01:03:13
Joseph
They have.
01:03:17
Malcolm Guidry
I'm not here to bash Republicans. I'm not here to bash Democrats. I could find fault with both plenty, but when it comes to the character, character matters.
01:03:22
Joseph
Oh, absolutely.
01:03:30
Malcolm Guidry
Okay. Um, how you conduct yourself matters. What you say in public matters. Um, if you're on a phone call with the prime minister of Denmark and you insist on buying or taking over the country. That's not going to go well. You can't expect it to go well. It's going to offend them. So it's unheard of for any president in our history who have done such a thing. As far as I know, I would like someone to to prove me otherwise. I would appreciate that if in fact I'm wrong.
01:04:01
Malcolm Guidry
but it's just, it's ridiculous. Anyway, another thing I wanted to talk about regarding Hegseth, his Christian nationalism, that's on record.
01:04:05
Joseph
No, I.
01:04:12
Malcolm Guidry
Christian nationalists are a fricking danger to this country, okay? If you understand what Christian nationalists are, they want, and and he follows a pastor, he's an admirer of a pastor out of Northern Idaho, Moscow, Idaho, um doug Doug Wilson,
01:04:30
Malcolm Guidry
is the guy's name, I believe. ah Christ Church is the name of his church in Moscow, Idaho. You can look it up. You can probably find ah writings of his online videos where he he speaks. This guy advocates a very paternalistic ah type of Christianity and a theocracy is what he advocates. We don't want that, okay? This idea of becoming a theocracy, you don't know what it is, watch um The Handmaid's Tale. That's a theocracy, okay? It's crazy how sometimes art can imitate life
01:05:11
Malcolm Guidry
Or is it life imitates art? Life imitates art, that's how it goes.
01:05:13
Joseph
It's left.
01:05:14
Malcolm Guidry
And how a book like The Handmaid's Tale can have some things in it that almost mirror what the hell is going on today in our country. you know But yeah, this guy is very dangerous.
01:05:26
Malcolm Guidry
So being a Christian nationalist is absurd. um you know Christianity has been twisted to such an extent um it's It's become offensive to to traditional um Catholics, Protestants who don't recognize their religion anymore.
01:05:44
Joseph
Absolutely. I read this online and then I experienced a form of it in real life personally. The online thing I read was a preacher was giving a sermon. It was f straight from the Bible. It was related related to Jesus and his teachings. And a member of their congregation came up afterwards and said,
01:06:06
Joseph
what what were all these liberal talking points you're talking about and the preacher said this this is the word of god through jesus and the the congregation member just said well that doesn't work now and it's it's
01:06:12
Malcolm Guidry
Right. Right.
01:06:20
Joseph
How far have they drifted?
01:06:20
Malcolm Guidry
Well.
01:06:21
Joseph
And then in in person, I overheard people out of church one day. I wasn't going to the church at the time. I was in the same parking lot though. They were talking about how soft the preacher sounded in their sermon.
01:06:33
Joseph
And this is, it's becoming more prevalent. and It is literally heretical. And ah so many people just have fallen in behind the golden calf, it seems.
01:06:44
Malcolm Guidry
Right, right. yeah That's a very good observation. um it's They want a more muscular, um forceful a type of of Christianity, I guess.
01:06:57
Malcolm Guidry
And that's what that's not what Jesus was about, okay? So they are not true Christians. um If you follow the word of Jesus, Jesus is about love.
01:07:08
Malcolm Guidry
His whole message was about love, okay?
01:07:09
Simone
No,
01:07:12
Malcolm Guidry
um and help those who are less fortunate.
01:07:15
Simone
sir.
01:07:16
Malcolm Guidry
Be compassionate, that's Jesus. um These people who claim to, i mean bottom line, it's all bullshit. so But they're ah they're a very small but vocal minority of the population, but they're dangerous, and we need to keep an eye on them because hey, now you've got a Christian nationalist who's the head of the Department of Defense, and that is disturbing.
01:07:39
Malcolm Guidry
Why, you have to ask yourself, why him? Why would Trump pick him? Why is trump and why has Trump picked um what's who?
01:07:45
Simone
He's a loyalist. He's a loyalist.
01:07:49
Joseph
yes
01:07:49
Malcolm Guidry
who Well, they're loyalists, right.
01:07:51
Simone
He's a yes ma'am.
01:07:54
Malcolm Guidry
That's true. They're yes men, but I think also could it be because he really wants, it's one thing to have a yes man, but it's another thing to have a yes man who is absolutely unqualified or a yes person.
01:08:06
Malcolm Guidry
ah What's the what's the the former, is it was she a Senator or a Congress person from Hawaii?
01:08:13
Joseph
Tulsi Gabbard.
01:08:14
Malcolm Guidry
Who?
01:08:14
Simone
Mm.
01:08:15
Joseph
Tulsi Gabbard is who you're talking about, I think.
01:08:16
Malcolm Guidry
Kelsey Gabbard, lots of deep concerns on both sides of the aisle, believe it or not, about her qualification her qualifications and her her vulnerabilities when it comes to becoming the ah Director of National Intelligence, I believe is is the position, because she would be over the FBI and the CIA and the all the other intelligence agencies, and there are several
01:08:25
Joseph
Yes.
01:08:34
Joseph
yeah
01:08:44
Malcolm Guidry
throughout our government, and she does not have the qualifications. It's terrifying.
01:08:49
Joseph
I believe one instance that stood out to me is she was essentially parroting the talking points of Bashar al-Assad while he was still in power, a known Russian ally. And there were there's another instance that I cannot remember, but suffice it to say, her ties to Russia, while not confirmed, are very suspicious.
01:08:59
Malcolm Guidry
Right. Right. Yeah.
01:09:10
Malcolm Guidry
very suspicious and you have to ask yourself why why pick someone like that what president would want to pick someone like that who is not only not qualified but who is very suspect in their loyalties my opinion he wants to break the system he wants to completely dismantle the federal government why does he want to do do that i mean does he
01:09:34
Joseph
I don't know, but I think you're right about that.
01:09:35
Malcolm Guidry
ah
01:09:36
Joseph
I mean, in his first administration before they burned bridges with each other, he had Steve Bannon as part of his administration who has consistent been consistent in his desire to tear down the United States.
01:09:41
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
01:09:47
Malcolm Guidry
Correct, correct. Why do you want to do that? You know, we're the most, we we are the wealthiest, most powerful nation on earth. We have allies throughout the world. We are looked up to, even though the past several years since Trump got in, they have really questioned our sanity, those allies.
01:10:05
Joseph
And I think this term is going to make be even more stark in them questioning us, because it's not only is it so much worse, but we're showing that within a long period of time, at this point, ten years i eight years, we can't be trusted for more than four years at most, maybe eight years if the president wins re-election.
01:10:11
Malcolm Guidry
Well,
01:10:28
Malcolm Guidry
right right yeah
01:10:28
Joseph
And it's going to to take a long time to get over that hurdle, even if
01:10:33
Joseph
Trump, um like he leaves office and there's no crisis after that and we get 12 straight years of a two term competent leader and another competent leader after them. I don't think that'll be long enough for some countries to trust us as much as they did before Trump because it's so hard to know the future and how quickly things changed.
01:10:54
Malcolm Guidry
yeah well that's going to It's going to take time and actions speak louder than words. So it's one thing for our leaders to say one to to say something, but it's the actions that they they use to back up what they've said. It's going to take some time to regain the trust.
01:11:14
Malcolm Guidry
of some of our allies. um in And that's unfortunate because it took decades to build that trust. um But anyway, um another thing I want to mention quickly, birthright citizenship. A lot of people don't seem to understand the the ins and outs of birthright citizenship. So I did my research and looked at the Constitution um And bottom line, you might remember this past Thursday, a federal judge, um I forget the guy's name,
Birthright Citizenship and Constitutional Challenges
01:11:47
Malcolm Guidry
um he was a Reagan appointee.
01:11:47
Joseph
he was a reagan appointee but i don't
01:11:50
Malcolm Guidry
He's been on the bench for 40 years, okay, appointed by Ronald Ray over 40 years. appointed by Ronald Reagan. And he called Trump's executive order blatantly unconstitutional.
01:12:04
Malcolm Guidry
okay um He's blocked it for 14 days ah to allow briefing, to allow both sides to draft briefs, to address the law, to address the issue. um And essentially what's in place is what's known as a preliminary injunction, as I understand it.
01:12:25
Malcolm Guidry
ah so harm. can be avoided. And so they're going to brief it. They're going to address this again. um But birthright citizenship is in the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. In order to overturn, and it's plain language, okay, I've seen some people write online, though, well, it's plain. It says X. No, it doesn't say X. It says Y. Read the language. I don't have it in front of me, but I encourage everyone to just Google 14th Amendment of the Constitution, and then you'll see the text come up.
01:12:57
Malcolm Guidry
It requires a two-thirds majority in both the House and the Senate to um to end birthright citizenship and create a new constitutional amendment. All right?
01:13:08
Malcolm Guidry
Two-thirds majority in both the House and the Senate. And then you would have to, it would have to be ratified by three-quarters of all the states. So after, sorry?
01:13:18
Joseph
I I do have a question about that. What about the possibility of ah appeals the appeals process going up to the Supreme Court and they interpret the law, they interpret the Constitution? i'm not I don't want to say one side or the other, but the possibility of there being a majority that support the executive order's interpretation of the 14th Amendment.
01:13:43
Malcolm Guidry
That's the other way. aside from Aside from attempting to amend the Constitution, going through Congress and then three quarters of the states voting in favor of the amendment, the other way they could do it is through the Supreme Court. If it goes all the way to the Supreme Court, the majority of the Supreme Court would have to vote in Trump's favor.
01:14:03
Malcolm Guidry
ah and reinterpret, and that's that's unlikely. I mean, it's over 100 years, as far as I know, maybe 150 years, ah that the 14th Amendment has been in place.
01:14:18
Malcolm Guidry
So the chances of five of the nine, I mean, you've got, I don't question that Alito would would be in favor of Trump's argument.
01:14:29
Joseph
I would say Alito and Thomas for sure.
01:14:30
Malcolm Guidry
you know Alito and Thomas for sure. um What about Gorsuch? I don't know.
01:14:38
Joseph
I don't know his his views on it. I do know he's been ideologically consistent with what his views are.
01:14:40
Simone
Thank you.
01:14:43
Joseph
So it would depend on what his past votes have been around that subject.
01:14:47
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. and Bottom line, I just don't see a majority of justices voting in favor of Trump's argument. I don't see it happening because also think about this. So if you were born here in the United States to parents who were here illegally,
01:15:05
Malcolm Guidry
and you're a citizen and you go on to live a successful life, you go on to establish a business, a big business, you grow that business, you're a citizen, you were born here even though your parents were illegal. And then you have children and of course they're legal, they were born here, they're naturalized. Well, if you turn over the 14th Amendment, how does that affect the lives of you who were born here and your children?
01:15:34
Malcolm Guidry
Is there some sort of ramification regarding their citizenship? I mean, how far is this going to go?
01:15:41
Joseph
ah that's one that's the first problem they'd come into come in they that first that was Sorry, my tongue decided to fight me there. That's the first problem that they would encounter if the ruling was in the Trump administration favor.
01:15:54
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
01:15:54
Joseph
And it would be similar to other immigration related catastrophes that happened during his first term.
01:16:00
Joseph
There were apparently was no clear answer and people suffered for that. So whether there's a clear answer they come up with or not, I think the end result is going to be a lot of U.S.
01:16:11
Joseph
citizens or I'll phrase it this way people that have every right to be here being harmed some possibly or evocably.
01:16:17
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think so.
01:16:21
Joseph
And i I just want to as a very brief aside because we are just considerably over time right now.
01:16:22
Malcolm Guidry
Anyway.
01:16:26
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, we should probably, Simone, do you have anything else you want to add?
01:16:29
Simone
No, I do not.
01:16:31
Malcolm Guidry
Okay, Joe.
01:16:32
Joseph
The last thing I just want to add is I'm sure that if people watch this, some of you will be on the sides of the political spectrum. We generally are not. and We're not trying to belittle, criticize, shout down, especially that last one.
01:16:49
Joseph
The only way this country is going to heal from its polarized state is if people talk and if people listen. And no matter how at odds those beliefs may be with the other side, listening and truly trying to understand that side is what will help us bridge the gap to pull from a now-defunct title.
01:17:07
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
01:17:08
Joseph
We're not going to do anything long-term to fix this country if we're at each other's throats. Just wrote to the Civil War for that.
01:17:13
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
01:17:15
Joseph
The Civil War didn't solve a damn thing, except it killed a lot of people. In the end, one side got tired, and then we were back to where we started before the Civil War. It's just that other side wasn't wanting to fight anymore.
01:17:27
Malcolm Guidry
Right.
01:17:27
Joseph
Nothing was fixed, really.
01:17:28
Joseph
And we're still dealing with the after effects of that. It won't help to be fighting each other.
01:17:31
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
01:17:33
Joseph
We have to listen.
01:17:34
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah, I think you're right. um you know Sitting down with someone who who sees things differently than you do, sometimes it's good to just say, help me to understand.
01:17:44
Malcolm Guidry
you know Help me to understand your viewpoint regarding X or Y. Help me to understand your viewpoint regarding why you think Pete Hegseth is a good choice for Secretary of Defense.
01:17:44
Joseph
Mm hmm.
01:17:59
Malcolm Guidry
Help me to understand why you think the 14th Amendment
01:17:59
Joseph
Hmm.
01:18:00
Joseph
Hmm.
01:18:03
Malcolm Guidry
Is wrong and should be overturned regarding birthright citizenship or any other issue help me to understand why you feel? abortion should be illegal Nationwide in all 50 states help help me to understand give me your viewpoint you know and then listen listen to what they have to say and You know um
01:18:17
Joseph
yeah
01:18:23
Malcolm Guidry
but But, you know, b be polite.
01:18:26
Joseph
Yeah.
01:18:26
Malcolm Guidry
Don't be confrontational.
01:18:27
Joseph
No.
01:18:28
Malcolm Guidry
ah And if it starts to become confrontational, take a deep breath and just step away because, you know, you can find we have so much more in common with each other than we don't.
01:18:38
Malcolm Guidry
So much more. And we just we need to keep that in mind.
01:18:43
Joseph
And I'd say the same thing to those who might agree with us a little too much on other ends of the spectrum.
01:18:48
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah.
01:18:49
Joseph
It's not just one side. We're all a little too adversarial these days.
01:18:54
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. Yeah.
01:18:55
Joseph
It's important to come back from that. It may feel like you're betraying some principles that you may have, but just try it. Just try it. Just try listening to the other side.
01:19:03
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. Yeah.
01:19:04
Joseph
It won't hurt. At but at worst, your beliefs will be confirmed. At best, you may learn something. Every side may learn something.
01:19:10
Malcolm Guidry
Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's a good way to close. So I just want to say thank you for listening. Shout out to my my cousin Jackie in Southeast Texas, who is one of the subscribers.
01:19:24
Malcolm Guidry
She subscribed to our ah our YouTube channel. So hi, Jackie.
01:19:30
Joseph
Hello, Jackie.
01:19:31
Malcolm Guidry
Hope you're doing well. um And thank you. So anyway, all right, guys. I love you both. We'll chat soon.
01:19:37
Joseph
Adios.
01:19:38
Simone
Bye.