Episode Introduction & Context
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Greetings again, and welcome to our next episode of This Sunday Podcast. Pastor Brant and I are gathered together as we look over the readings for the seventh Sunday of Easter.
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If you haven't figured it out already, we just released a podcast on Ascension Day. So we fit an extra one in for this week, given the Ascension Day following or falling on a Thursday. So make sure that if you are wanting to, if you're catching this prior to Ascension, or if you haven't done Ascension yet and have an interest in and taking a look at that for this coming Sunday, that resource is available to you wherever you've found this podcast.
Opening Prayer
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um So with that, I will open up for the collect of the day and then have Dr. Brandt get us started with the reading that we will be looking at. Dr. Brandt, which one are we looking at We're still in Acts 4. We're still in Acts chapter 1. We're looking at the the selection of Matthias to replace Judas.
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All right. Well, let's pray. O King of glory, Lord of hosts, uplifted in triumph far above all heavens, leave us not without consolation, but send us the spirit of truth whom you promised from the Father. For you live and reign with him and the Holy Spirit, one God, now and forever.
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Yeah, lift it up. Lift it up, Jesus. Lift it up.
Between Ascension & Pentecost
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in in In a very real sense, this Sunday kind of functions as the um as the Advent or the Lent for the Festival of Pentecost.
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It's still Easter, and um we we we don't want to diminish that, but yet at the same time, this this Sunday kind of lets us be in that sort of uncomfortable space the disciples had between the ah between the ascension of Jesus and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, when when what the Holy Spirit really does is re you know sort of communicates the presence of Christ to them. ah and so But they got this 10-day space in there between the 40th and the 50th day that there they're probably wondering what is going on.
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Ten days can be a really long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. i they you know they They didn't have a date. Jesus didn't say, okay, ten days from now.
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He just said, hang out in Jerusalem until I send the Holy Spirit. As we know, Jesus said he's coming back soon, and it's been 2,000 years. it's ah It's a dicey thing to take those those, yeah, just wait a little bit kinds of admonitions from God. You can wait quite a while.
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I mean, as the people of the Old Testament, you know, waited for the Messiah centuries. um And we wait for the second coming of Christ millennia.
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What was going through their minds, I wonder, is they were waiting for the Holy Spirit. We have one story from the book of Acts about that time. So that's the one we're going to hear today. Awesome.
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Comes right after the Ascension story we talked about in our prior product a prior podcast. um So it picks up right where that one leaves off. The the the angels have come and said, guys, why why are you looking up into heaven?
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This Jesus who left, he's going to come back. Don't stand here and look up into heaven. Go back. Go into Jerusalem. Do what he's told you to do.
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So they return to Jerusalem, it says, matthew are in Acts chapter 1. from the Mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day's journey away. And why did he say that? Was it the Sabbath when this happened? well there's There's a sense that that Luke really wants you to orient your world to that Old Testament at this point.
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um When they had entered, they went up to the upper room where they were staying. Same upper room where the Last Supper was celebrated? Who knows?
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Peter and John, James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Elphias and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the son of James.
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All these, with one accord, were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women, presumably the women at the tomb, you know, the ones who were the witnesses of the resurrection, and Mary, the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.
Peter's Address on Judas
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In those days, Peter stood up among the brothers. The company of persons was in all about 120. you think about that. The entire Christian movement at this point is about 120 people.
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And he said, Brothers, the scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David.
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My page turned here. Concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested him, who arrested Jesus. For he was numbered among us and was allotted his share in this ministry.
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Now this man bought a field with the reward of his wickedness, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle, and all his bowels gushed out, and it became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the field was called in their own language, Akaldama, that is, field of blood.
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For it is written, continues Peter, in the book of about of Psalms, may his camp become desolate, and let there be no one to dwell in it, and let another take his office.
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So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us, one of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection.
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And they put forward two, Joseph, called Barsabbas, who was also called Eustace, and Matthias. And they prayed, And they said, you will, Lord, know the hearts of all. Show which one of these two you have chosen to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.
Matthias' Selection
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And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the 11 apostles.
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What an interesting story, an interesting narrative. a couple of things that that I think are are really interesting is, The first thing that always jumps out at me is, I've read my gospels. I've read them multiple times.
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I never run into Matthias or Joseph.
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Where were these guys? And notice the criteria is pretty strict. They got to be there from the baptism, witnessing all of these things through the resurrection.
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These aren't just guys who showed up and they've been there the whole time. And the gospels never told me about it.
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I think that's really fascinating. How many times does God have resources hanging out in the wings and you have no idea where they are?
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You have no idea what they are. remember in my my first parish, i was ah you know I was assigned to a tiny little parish out of the seminary um in in Bountiful, Utah.
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And it was, know, I mean, on my first Sunday there, we had 28 people. And that counted the preacher and his wife. Hmm.
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We grew a little bit, but even so, i think I 15 active giving households at one point when I did an assessment of that in the house in in the whole congregation.
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And in the span of three months, um i had i I had the chairman and the treasurer and the chairman of the board of elders all get transferred to other cities and left the congregation.
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You know, and and, you know, these are like the pillars of my parish, you know, and I'm seriously going, is this thing just going to collapse? What's going to happen? And all of this. And ah I thought we were done.
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You know, and and I have a distinct memory of, of you know, just. I really think it was the, it was the spirit of God reminded me of a passage, you know, that it was by grace, you were saved through faith. That is a gift of God, not of works. ah I got it in my hands. Don't you worry about it.
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And, and you know what, what was amazing was these three, these three leaders in my congregation left. And all of a sudden there were people who were,
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not doing stuff because these guys were so good at it, but they stepped up. And within a year, we had more people in church than we did before.
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And, and it's like, God had these people waiting there and I didn't even think about it. You And, and I think, I think this story, the story for me and in that sense really reminds me of, of those days in my early ministry when when I think he really opened my eyes to see that, oh, don't don't worry about
Personal Story & God's Provision
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resources. i got that covered.
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I got what you need. and and And I got people you don't even you aren't even thinking about them. You aren't even aware them. Just keep doing what you're doing. Keep doing the good thing. Preach the word.
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Love the people. I'll take care of the rest of that. um Yeah, I mean, I think that's that's really, really, ah I think there's a great message in this text about about God having resources for ah for people that we're totally unaware of, completely oblivious to.
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um I think the the other, there's there's two more things in here that I find really interesting. One of them revolves around this idea of witness. Notice he says they've got to what? They have to be able to see it.
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We need somebody who can tell us what, who can tell the story of what happened all the way from the baptism of John up through the resurrection. um That that was what the function of being an apostle was, to be a witness and not to tell the story that somebody else told.
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That's called hearsay, by the way, in a court.
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you have to bear witness to what you have seen.
Witnessing Jesus Personally
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and and And I think that that a lot of times when we talk about evangelism or or the spreading of the kingdom of God, we imagine that means telling people what's in the Bible, telling people what other people have written down or or stories that we know.
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The best witnessing is always, what have you seen Jesus do?
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If you remember from the Ascension Day um podcast we we we did a little bit ago, we talked about how Jesus was in the love of the people that we're encountering.
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To be a witness is to is to see Jesus and to so tell people what you've seen.
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To be a witness is not to tell people what other people have seen.
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Now, the Bible functions in that as normative for my witness. I'm not going to see a Jesus that looks different than the one that's in the Bible.
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I'm not going to see a Jesus who contradicts that Jesus. If I do, by the one at the Jesus I see is wrong. That's not the right Jesus. But if I can see him and I can can and i see... I don't tell them about the one that's in the Bible. i tell them about the one that I saw.
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The Jesus who loved me when I needed it. so Who forgave me, who sustained me, who fed me, who... who did those kinds of things to me, but it's going to be a, not, not a 2000 year old story, but it's going to be a 21st century story, a 2026 story in this case.
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um Tell them the story that you have seen. um
Significance of Twelve Witnesses
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And ah one more thing that I find really interesting is why did they need to fill Judas's spot?
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Because it was 11. Yeah, what's wrong with 11? Well, it's not 12. What I find so interesting about that is that that um this is common throughout almost all Mediterranean-based cultures.
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um And that is that if you have 12 witnesses to a crime, you skip the trial and you go right to sentencing.
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um that that it seems that they wanted a 12th witness because that makes the assertion of the factuality of the of the event irrefutable.
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If you have 12 people who said, I saw that happen, it's an established fact. And 12 somehow seems to be connected. This is, by the way, why you have 12 people in a jury.
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because Because what the prosecution has to do is demonstrate to those 12 people beyond a shadow of a doubt that this actually happened.
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And if 12 people can agree to it, then it's true. Then it really did happen. The crime was committed. This person did it. Now the judge should should sentence them.
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And um that that really the the function of the apostles in this in a sense was to be this group of people who were willing to stand up and say, we saw Jesus raised from the dead.
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and yeah and And as we've noted before, that changes everything. that That it was it was this aser this this assertion of the factuality of of the...
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of the resurrection that that's at stake here. That's what Peter's trying to make sure. We got enough people who are willing to say, yeah, I saw it.
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Well, and that's helpful in that especially while in that time and place. don't know, just processing through the the text and and as we're talking, the 12, they're obviously, well, potentially,
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I guess it's technically 13. Well, you couldn't had both of them. That's why it has to be 12. It can't be 11 because if it's 11, then you're missing that one person. So now anytime somebody shares something, it's gonna you're gonna have to you don't have a complete witness. 13 is unlucky number. so you so big I don't know if 13 was an unlucky number. no, But but that's ah the point I was trying to get to is just that Again, resources.
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Nope. A connection to that. if you If we are going out and we are getting ready to to to witness, to to be the hands and feet of God and go out into a world that wasn't ready for him when he was here, didn ah had struggled with his presence, struggled with who he was and then um One resource that would be great to have is to not constantly have to come up with the right number of people to verify what I said. So you get the group of that 12. We can completely jump over it. My audience now goes, oh, well, there there's 12 of
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Yeah. the The brain goes, okay, there's 12. I can listen. Right. Something maybe as simple as that. I can listen. I have to listen. very right because because when you have a dozen it it it changes the assertion you know one person tells me something yeah i don't think so but when it's a dozen who said no this happened in in there's something that clicks in the ancient mind and and continues i think culturally to work for us is that yeah that that's that that that probably really happened yeah um
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Yeah, I mean, ah i i I think this is this is really interesting. There's been
Apostles' Post-Selection Activities
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some thought. i mean, have you wondered about Matthias? Whatever happened to him?
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He went off looking for Joseph. I guess. i hear did he did he ah Did he go? i mean i mean, yeah. i mean was he we we i mean, he he just he just sort of drops off the off the thing here. But by the way, so do most of the other guys in and in the in the list of names.
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I mean, we we really only hear of Peter and John at this point. um James gets James, the brother of John, gets gets martyred in chapter 12 of Acts. um But yeah, there's very, very little um ah very little about any of these other guys that shows up in the biblical record from this point on. um John and Peter, of course, write some write some letters, but What happens to them? We don't really know um ah where where where they come. There's traditions, of course, that say they went in various missions into various parts of the world, get martyred.
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ah Thomas, I think, is supposed to have gone all the way to India. And you can go to the Cathedral of St. Thomas in Chennai in India today. I've been there.
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um They... they They claim to have at least his finger left. That's what they have left. um The rest of it was transported back to Rome many, many years ago.
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But um yeah, what what went on with him? if If you want to ever read a fascinating book um that features Matthias, it was a piece of science fiction written in the nineteen seventy s by a guy named Philip Jose Farmer.
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Jose Farmer, Jose Farmer. um ah Interesting guy, he's he he's a self-professed agnostic, but he grew up in Indiana, clearly in a Christian community.
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he's fascinated by faith. And he does this exploration of faith And it involves Matthias,
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the character this this biblical character. um the The book is entitled Jesus on Mars.
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All right, you got me. I'm about to go find that one. If you can go find it, it's I don't know if it's in print anymore, um but it it is a really, really interesting book. If you think about it in terms of here's an agnostic,
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who's looking at the idea of faith and is absolutely fascinated by it. Why people believe and what people believe.
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um it's the the book is that The book is very much rooted in the time when it was written. i mean, at the time, of course, you had people, you know, the the whole higher critical movement was really rampant. And he he kind of thinks that that modern Christianity had gone off the rails a little bit.
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But, um And so there's some of that in there. Uh, but, but some of it is really cool because, um, he, he premises the whole thing that, and it's set in the year 2012.
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And that by 2012, they would have a, a Rover rolling around on Mars exploring. And what do you know? That's what we got. And,
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and ah and And this thing, it goes down into a little valley and mars on the on the Mars surface, and the camera pans to the left. And what do you know, there's very clearly a door in the side of that cliff.
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and And that prompts then a manned mission to Mars with four people. And that's that's the that's the story, is that they get there they find out that Jesus has been living on Mars.
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And Matthias got there too. All right, there you go. And so that's that's kind of the premise of the story. I i won't wreck it for you. I'll let you let you get to the rest of it. ah really an interesting interesting story because because he's he's clearly fascinated by interested in, and and you kind of get a sense, wishes.
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really wishes he could believe this. He likes what Christianity does. um Yeah, really an interesting story. um You know, by the end of it, yeah the the Jesus figure is there, and ah he's he's a he's part of the the ah the the whole narrative ah in in this
Book Recommendation: 'Jesus on Mars'
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thing. and but But yet the Jesus figure then talks to the main character and and gives him a way to say, well, here's a way you could believe me or here's a way you could not believe me.
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He preserves for him this idea of disbelief. um And that's also there, that that when when you got the 12 witnesses up there who say it's true, it forces you to wrestle with what they say.
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But they are still 12 human witnesses. and And our experience has always been that that people sometimes lie to me. And so you've got this...
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kind of a debate, choice, whatever you want to think about it as, you've got this claim. Here is Jesus, risen from the dead.
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Do you believe it?
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And ah ah you know that this this text, this this Seventh Sunday of Easter, you know is it puts us into that uncomfortable place with those disciples. And and now the witness has come to us.
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Many more than 12 have borne witness to it.
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And said, Jesus is risen. Do you believe it? um I've heard it said also, and I think this a really interesting take on this text is that that it takes 12 witnesses to bring somebody to faith.
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And that you might be witness number five, maybe number eight, whatever. um Don't let that stop you. Even if you're not the one who gets to be number 12, who bears the witness that sees the person come to faith.
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That's a really fun place to be. I hope you get to be there sometimes. But be witness number two or four or eight or whatever it is so that that someday down the road, somebody else is going to be number 12.
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And that's when it's going to click for that person and they're they're going to come to faith. um And rejoice in that just as much because you are one of those building blocks that led a person to that.
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And connecting that back to the readings for for Ascension. Mm-hmm. that's that Jesus being present among us.
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Always. continue Empowering the words you speak. Yes. They're not just your words. Right. Not just yours.
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Yeah, i like because I don't like my words sometimes. yeah Well, okay, I don't like my words when when i am thinking in my head that this might be a chance to witness, to talk about about Jesus.
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it is It is that the insecurity, the the uncertainty, the...
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I'm pretty sure, i mean, I'm not pretty sure. i wouldn't be surprised if... aye Satan's firing arrows at us every single time we're getting ready. The spirit the spirit is nudging us and giving us the words. And and Satan wakes up and goes, uh-oh, uh-oh. All right, people go, go. Red alert.
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right Portland, Oregon. i think the i think the the word or the or the arrow that he shoots at us regularly is is an arrow that says, um you are a failure.
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Right. and And you're going to fail. and and and And the reality is success for a witness is simply speaking the truth.
Holy Spirit's Role in Witnessing
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Convincing, that belongs to the Holy Spirit, not to you. a witness is never responsible for the belief of the one who hears the but the testimony.
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The witness's responsibility is always merely to speak what he or she has seen or heard. and and and And a lot of times I think what we do in that situation is we take to ourselves the responsibility that really belongs to the Holy Spirit.
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It's the Holy Spirit who convicts. It's the Holy Spirit who convinces them. It's the Holy Spirit who who who brings them to that place where they believe what they what they what they' have heard.
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I don't need to do that. That's his job, not mine. Right. and Luke, if you'll call this in some way a sense of foreshadowing, we're coming at this backwards, specifically following the the day of the resurrection.
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Mm-hmm. With the readings on Acts. But in almost every single reading, we're seeing the Holy Spirit work based off of a witness. Mm-hmm. we We never see that or hear, like you're you're saying, where Luke doesn't turn to us and say, this is how Peter did it. You know, pet Peter spent an extra 15 minutes on that one paragraph in his speech.
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and he He chose the most eloquent word. um he he got dressed the right way, you know, whatever. It's never about that. It's simply here is what happened.
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Yep. And then you see numbers after numbers after numbers after numbers. And all and that's, yeah. So so when when we're we're ready, when the the spiritual battle that we are in as believers, Satan has, sometimes it feels like the leg up on us.
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Going back to the number 12. I've got a whole more than just times where i failed. Mm-hmm. So if I'm getting ready to do something set an advance for me to do by God, a holy, divine, holy spirit-led thing, Satan just go, you know, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Yeah, 12 times you failed.
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Well, yeah, but I i mean, i I think, again, i think it is it is that that that Satan wants to wants to convince me that I failed because that person didn't come to faith.
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Well, right, or or even I'm i'm thinking he he he it causes us to stumble, to be ready to share, to be a witness. Yeah. yeah a lot of times we never get there.
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His whole goal is to close my mouth. Right, right. And and so what where where I think we could, it helps to be reminded of, is what we've been talking about, is is even in the past, if if I have fallen,
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to that that lie that i'm not supposed to say this or i feel like i'm going to fail or i i didn't work last time stop stop stop that's satan that's not the work of the divine the work of the divine says share what happened share jesus where you have seen jesus Right.
God's Endless Resources
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Bear your witness. Let God take care of where it goes from there. And don't worry about it. Sow the seed. I mean, there's there's the parable of the sower. Three out of four times, it doesn't work. That's God. That's on God. That's not on you.
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Right. And it doesn't work from our perspective. Yeah. From God's perspective, and it's probably working just fine. Yeah. Yeah. so fantastic but but Yeah, and yeah god the God who created everything. Imagine that. The God who created everything has infinite resources available to him.
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And when it comes to to having his his desire for everyone to come to the knowledge of him through his son, we're simply some of his resources that he loves and cherishes. and And he's got a lot more than us.
00:32:15
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Yes. This does not rest on you. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's actually a word that people really need to hear today because I think a lot of a lot of you know um institutional church today is is is afraid because the institutional church is shrinking today and it turns to the to the membership, to the preachers, to the people who are sitting in pews and says, you guys got to do something about this.
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and And the reality is, yeah, God's got to do something about it. And I think maybe it's good to be, you know, the faithful witness that he calls us to be, and then to open your eyes and and watch what he's going to do, rather than to rather than to become anxious about and get yourself all worked up about, um you know, have I succeeded in doing what needs to be done in order to save the institutional church?
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Maybe Jesus isn't as interested in the institutional church as he is in the in the people. um And ah and and let him let him take care of things. He will.
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hes He made a promise. you know This church will will exist until the day I come back. um And you know not even the gates of hell will prevail against it. It will break them down. um you know The church will break down the gates of hell. And so don't worry about it.
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you do what he calls you to do.
Encouragement & Trust in God's Plan
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And in this text, I mean, I hear this strong message of bear witness. He's got resources. He'll take care of it.
00:33:52
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And just be that, be that person. Right. And if you're worried about the number of times you've failed in the past, guess what? God still has you here in this moment.
00:34:04
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Yeah, Peter wasn't part of his mission to, you're that that mistake you made in the past, we know it's been forgiven on the cross. yeah but Yeah, Peter know was not exactly an exemplar of success.
00:34:16
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Right. and I mean, yeah and and you know when when he was given that opportunity to confess his relationship to Christ, you know three times on the night in which Jesus was betrayed, he denied And yet Jesus said to him, feed my sheep.
00:34:37
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And that that he took the next words Peter said and used them. So let him take yours. Let him take yours. It's cool text. i think I think it's a good Sunday to be a preacher.
00:34:52
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Isn't every Sunday a good Sunday to be a preacher? Some of them are better than others. i got There's a couple Sundays out of the year where you just go, oh, this is a really hard text. This one actually, I think, has has about three or four really good, solid sermons in it. um And you can keep coming back to those year after year. and but it's a good It's a good text.
00:35:16
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magic Matthew, there's been a lot of fun. I've enjoyed it. Yes, it has. Yes, it has. Let's wrap it up. We got these you know these good people who are spending their time watching us. They got other things to do too.
00:35:29
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Oh, man. It hasn't even been 10 days yet or 10 hours. Come on. Yeah, no as as always, this is more than just a blessing for us. Phil and I both hope this is a blessing for for you that are are listening. or um I found out that if...
00:35:50
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if you're watching that or listening to this via like an Apple podcast, the video shows up also. So I wasn't prepared for that when we got started on this. So you can actually be watching and and listening. so be I gotta pay attention to my hair now, man.
00:36:10
Speaker
it looks It looks great. That one strand. Yeah, yeah yeah I got that one thing going. and then yeah see see, I take care of it another way. That's right. No, it's this one. yeah anyway Anyway, I rabbit hole. My apologies. But um thank you for for joining with us. And feel free to reach out to us. and if you have any questions or, or have have, you know, want to engage in a conversation about the text, something that we both obviously love to do very much. Hope that you have a wonderfully blessed week and look forward to interacting with you guys again next week.
00:36:49
Speaker
right. God bless you all. God bless you too, Phil.