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Ep 38: Catching up
49 Plays5 years ago
You know what? It's been a little bit since we just got caught up on the news and what is going on in our own lives. So let's talk toppers, Heavy Metal, and drunk women at weddings. Thnaks for checking us out!
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Introduction and Catching Up
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Thanks for tuning in to the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.
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This is episode number 38.
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I am Josh Roop, and with me, my co-captain as always... Scott Larson.
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And today, before we get into it...
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We don't actually have a guest today.
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And that was actually on our own accord because we figured, guys, the last three months, we've done nothing but interviews.
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And I'm like, you know what?
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We need to get caught up on ourselves.
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And so I figured now would be a great time.
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Let's turn and talk about our friends of the podcast.
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Why not, Scott?
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Yeah, go ahead, Josh.
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You start
Shoutouts and Appreciation
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out.
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So we want to talk about Brad Hunter.
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This man is awesome.
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He is a friend of ours.
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He runs litframes.com.
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If you haven't been there, go check it out.
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He's running a special right now.
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He's got some white bordered lit frames.
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These things are awesome.
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I've got mine coming to me here soon with the TNA Translight.
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I'm so excited to get this hung up in my game room.
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Now that I actually have a game room, we'll talk about that later.
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And, you know,
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Hit up Brad.
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He's a great guy.
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And Zach Menny and Nicole Menny of Flippin' Out Pinball.
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I bet you that I am driving him nuts right now.
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I swear I'm that little kid on the family vacation that sits in the backseat.
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Are we there yet?
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Is it there yet?
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Is it there yet?
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I keep doing this to Zach.
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He tells me I'm okay.
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I swear I'm driving him up the walls, but I want my Ninja Turtles pinball machine.
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He's doing a fantastic job.
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He's answered all my questions.
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I just want to throw a shout out.
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Thank you, Zach, for dealing with me because I'm probably driving you up the walls, dude.
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And we have one more.
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Scott, you want to talk about our other friend?
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Yeah.
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So this is, you know, again, we don't really have any...
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The only thing that I've done with him is I've purchased from him.
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So this is Flyland Designs.
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This is Brian Allen.
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And he is remaking classic trans lights for the Bally Williams era.
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And so he did one with Monster Bash, which I bought from from Lit Frames.
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And it has a great illuminated color.
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You can either set it standard or dynamic, which looks great.
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But I also saw his remake of Medieval Madness, and it is amazing.
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I bought it.
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I'm going to put it in my game.
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I just barely got it the other day, and it has been great.
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I'm super excited about this.
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And I'm so jealous.
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I know it's so great because it's in many ways, some of these, some of these old art things are, are dated.
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And in some ways that's good.
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In other ways you can say, well, what would a contemporary take on it be?
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And so you can basically mix and mash and find what works for your pinball machine, or even just art on the wall.
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Cause I don't have a monster bash, but I, I really loved his monster bash.
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Translight take.
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And so that's why I bought that one.
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Yes.
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Well, and what was the website you told everyone to go to?
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It's Flyland Designs.
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Make sure you go there to buy his product.
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I don't know if any of you have heard about this.
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But Brian Allen, along with Christopher Franchi, are both victims of this.
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People steal their artwork off of Facebook, whatever it is, do a really terrible low rendering of the picture, and then resell it online for cheaper.
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And it undercuts the artist.
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And it's just, it's terrible for their business.
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So please support the actual artist, not the people ripping this off.
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So if you're not going to the actual website, you need to.
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to help those people.
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I don't know if you heard that on Super Awesome Pinball Show, but Franchi got pretty fired up about all those prints that were just being stolen out from underneath his feet because people do that.
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It's sad because there's a couple things.
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The artist actually pays a licensing fee to do these typically.
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And so they're actually investing their time and their money.
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And the other people, they're really selling an inferior product.
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And so if you really want to go to the right place, go to the place that actually has it.
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I also want to give one more shout out.
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We ordered through...
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through our production company, we ordered some key chains and earrings and I sent them to Mrs. Pin because Mrs. Pin, her second hat, as opposed to being a third grade teacher and a pinball podcaster is also Crafterella.
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And so she has one of those awesome craft stores.
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And so she hooked me up by hooking me with, she took all these cutouts and put them onto key chains and earrings.
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And so if you want to rule the next, the next get together, the pinball get together, go ahead and buy these and you can hang them from anything.
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Literally, literally anything.
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I love the Lions.
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They are great people.
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I can't wait for us to, whether it be Pinball Expo or Texas Pinball Festival, finally sit down and rub shoulders with these people, go to dinner or something, because the Lions are fantastic.
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They're always nice when we're messaging them.
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Zach Menny is always nice to us.
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Dennis Creasel.
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I mean, we've truly made some friends in this hobby from something that started a year and a half ago.
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It's just
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a pet project that we decided, Hey, let's, let's do this for fun and see where it goes, you know?
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Right.
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So anyway, so enough about us, let's talk more about us.
Selling and Buying Pinball Machines
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So, so, uh, what's new in your pinball life, Josh?
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So I don't know if I mentioned this.
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I did sell monster bash, my L E. So sad.
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And I don't know about your chain of events when you sell something, but I try to sell locally first when that doesn't work.
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I tried to sell a little more broad, but still locally.
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And when that doesn't work, I finally go to Pinside.
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And the reason being is I've had one bad transaction via Pinside.
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I still got my money, but the gentleman buying the pinball machine was just a nightmare.
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This, I finally had to go to Pinside and put Monster Bash on there.
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I was biting my nails.
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I was not excited at all about it.
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And I get a bite within like two days.
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And that never happens.
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I swear.
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The pinball machine always sits on Pinside for weeks on end.
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And then you got a bunch of people trying to lowball you because it's been on there for three weeks.
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Gentleman hits me up.
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Gentleman by the name of Steve Hill.
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I can use his actual name because he has his own podcast that has nothing to do with pinball.
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It's called the Professional.
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Oh, crap.
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It's not called the Professional.
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Not the Professional.
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Oh, crap.
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No, it's not the Professional.
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Actually, it is the Professional.
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It's the Professional Disc Golfers Association podcast.
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Or for short, the PDGA Radio.
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So go check out PDGA radio.
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Steve Hill is a fantastic gentleman.
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This is his very first pinball machine.
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And I'm going to tell everyone out there, if you're listening to this, if you're buying or selling a pinball machine, this man did it right for his first one.
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And I'll tell you what he did right.
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So he's messaging me the sales.
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I sold monster bash.
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It's not a secret for $7,600.
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And he messages me and he says, dude,
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I want this machine, but I want to make sure it's legit.
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Do you mind?
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Let me video conference you.
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He's like, I know I'm a pain in the butt, but let me do it.
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That makes me feel great.
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No, a hundred percent.
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That is actually the way to do it.
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It's like, Hey, you got FaceTime, FaceTime me right now because guarantee you're not some scammer from middle of Eastern Europe.
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Exactly.
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And so it was wonderful.
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We set up a time and a date.
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I was able to, after technical difficulties on my end, finally got the video up and working.
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We were able to go through the whole pinball machine.
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He sat, we sat, we talked questions, we talked pinball.
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It was wonderful.
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And it was just, it made the whole cell that much better.
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He felt comfortable on his end.
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I felt comfortable on my end.
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I knew I wasn't dealing with a scammer.
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He knew he wasn't dealing with a scammer.
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And the rest of it was just, it was a beautiful transaction.
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You know, you always have your hiccups with shipping.
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It's just, it is what it is.
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It's a pain, but yeah.
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Hey, I'm really glad.
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And actually, ironically, do you know who also has a disc golf discs?
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If you go to Flyland Design, you could actually get some disc golf discs.
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Yes.
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But yeah, it was, everything went smoothly.
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I'm the kind of person that I like to document almost every single portion of the transaction.
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So, you know, I took pictures of the shipping company showing up.
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I took pictures of them wrapping the machine.
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I took pictures of them putting it on the truck.
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You know, when he was having a rough time with shipping, with it being his first transaction, I intervened.
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I called them.
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I knew exactly who to call.
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They straightened it all out.
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I mean, it...
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It went as smooth as you can get for your first transaction.
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I think there was no better way to have done it except for the shipping company having their crap together.
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But hey, I digress.
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But it went great.
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It's good.
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So when you're selling, especially online, you need to, one, verify that you're talking to a real person.
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And video chatting is actually one of the easiest, cheapest ways of doing it.
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Two, three.
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Figure out a way to, a lot of times you can buy in an escrow situation.
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So a third party can actually hold the money while you ship it out.
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And so once that is verified that they get the machine, then they can release the money.
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So there's ways of doing that to make it a smooth transaction.
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So just keep yourself safe
Life Updates and Personal Stories
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out there, especially right now.
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There's a lot of scammers out there.
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And there's even one of the bookmarks on Pinside.
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The first thing talks about how to avoid getting scammed.
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And there are scammers out there.
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Yep, exactly.
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So it was wonderful.
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I mean, I've only done a couple of transactions through Pinside.
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I've honestly personally never had an issue with scammers on Pinside.
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Just the one gentleman that I sold a machine to.
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How do I put this nicely?
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He was a nightmare to deal with.
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But if you get scammed, there's no quicker way of souring you on a hobby.
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And let's be honest, for 98% of us, this is our escape.
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We want to make sure that we're having a positive exposure to it.
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But other than that, I bought Ninja Turtles.
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I can't wait for my pro.
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I was listening to the pinball show this morning.
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It sounds like they may actually produce LEs before they produce pros.
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They got pros out to the locations.
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And it sounds like they're going to run the LEs and then go back to pros.
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So I might see mine within the next couple weeks.
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It might be a month.
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So I'm just keeping my fingers crossed.
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I'm excited.
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Everyone I've talked to, it's a wonderful game.
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People have played it.
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And so...
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I just can't wait, man.
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It's, it is a dream come true.
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Right.
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And I'm actually getting the premium.
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And so we talked about this before that you're getting the pro I'm getting the premium.
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And so we can do a compare and contrast.
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And, uh, there are certainly things about a premium that I'm interested in.
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I also see it from a standpoint of, Hey, I just want the best playing options.
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Sometimes that's the pro.
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So we'll be able to evaluate that when we both get it.
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I'm getting the premium, so I'm going to get mine in the end of summer.
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We both ordered those through Zach at Flippin' Up Pinball, and he's been great to work with.
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Oh, and one other major thing.
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I don't know if I've told you this.
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We've moved into our new house.
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Oh, I didn't know that.
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Yeah, so we were originally going to build.
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The bank gave us the runaround.
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long story short, we decided to go with a different bank and my wife and I had an impression there was a foreclosure that was bigger than what we were going to build for cheaper than we could have built.
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And we found this house and within three weeks we'd bought it and everything went smoothly.
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I don't, I don't even have one basement.
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I've got two basements.
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I don't know how I ended up with that.
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And yeah, it's kind of goofy.
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And so, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm stoked, dude.
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I'm stoked that, uh,
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we're in our new house.
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That's probably why we haven't recorded in three weeks is because I've been doing nothing but moving in and it's, you don't realize how much crap you have until you have to move it.
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Yeah.
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No, I'm really glad we thought about moving a few years ago and we're considering building.
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And then, Oh my goodness.
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I'm so glad I did not build because I hate moving with every fiber of my being.
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Yes.
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I do not blame you.
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So I'm,
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I'm glad we're settled.
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I don't see us moving from this house prior to I have to.
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Yeah.
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So no, it's good.
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We have settled into our house too and figured out it's, we just need to use our space better.
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We don't need more space.
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We just need better, better utilization.
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I know what you mean.
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So that's been my last, I don't know, a couple of, couple of months.
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I thought there was something else in there that was important, but, uh, um, I DJed a wedding.
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Wow.
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Cool.
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Yeah.
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And I've learned drunk people are goofy.
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So yeah.
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Uh, did grandma have the lampshade on or a fall down and break her hip or anything like that?
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Okay.
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No, but,
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The bridesmaid dresses were so low.
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It's like when you see a woman at the beach and she has the bikini that just she didn't tie tight.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
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You know what?
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I don't have that kind of confidence.
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If I were wearing a Speedo that were flying that low, I would assume that something's going to pop out.
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So I, you know, I...
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Like heaven help anybody who has that much confidence.
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I am not that person.
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But I feel bad for the bride and the groom.
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Cause there's this woman sitting in the background on a bar stool and she's gotta be in the Pritchers and her boob fell out.
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And so, so she's going to be photo bombing.
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You know what?
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It's, you know, that you will remember that forever.
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And she will probably remember it forever that her dress had a malfunction.
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So, yep.
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And so it was just one of those nights.
New Pinball Product Reviews
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And so, yeah, yeah.
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Oh, another thing I did, I actually bought a K topper talk.
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I actually bought the Jurassic park topper topper talk.
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And so I put it up and I will do a quick evaluation of this.
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You know, okay.
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I love the light show.
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You are got it.
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Yeah, I got it.
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It's, it's already installed.
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That came out like last week, didn't it?
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I know.
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Right.
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So I did get it and I installed it.
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And I will say absolutely.
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The light show really does take it to the next level.
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I am.
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I am slightly disappointed in that.
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I wish that it had more to it other than like a cutout of the existing art.
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I feel they could have done more, especially for the price.
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And I felt that a 3D sculpt, considering the the toppers that they have come out with, like the the Black Knight topper, I think is still amazing.
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The Beatles topper is is good and the light show takes to the next level.
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I felt this one was.
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it was great on some level, the light show and the integration, everything like that.
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The, I felt they could have done more in the presentation, maybe 3d sculpt or something like that.
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Considering I'm also getting the topper for medieval madness, which is a 3d sculpted masterpiece.
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Yes.
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I totally agree for a similar price.
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And so I, I wish that, uh,
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I have conflicting feelings.
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I love the topper.
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I just wanted it to be more.
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It's like, you know, the Star Wars fans that there's a movie that they really want to be really good and they watch it.
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They're like, yeah, it's good.
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I just wanted to have this as well.
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But but I've had a blast playing it and it really does bring that eye candy to your to your game room.
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So it's been great.
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Well, honestly, I don't know if you listened to this episode, but the Pinball Show did, I think it's episode nine or I can't remember.
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Speaker
It wasn't this week.
00:16:24
Speaker
It was last week, I think, or maybe the week before when the topper actually came out.
00:16:29
Speaker
And Dennis Creasel summed up exactly what I was thinking.
00:16:34
Speaker
And I didn't know I was thinking it.
00:16:35
Speaker
I mean, the only topper that's been more expensive than the Jurassic Park topper is Star Wars.
00:16:41
Speaker
Right.
00:16:42
Speaker
And so he took the fact that the way that it's the plastic that's layered, he compared it to other ones and they're all about $200 cheaper.
00:16:52
Speaker
And so that's probably where the anger is stemming from.
00:16:56
Speaker
I'm not going to go all into it, but it was Dennis Creasel.
00:17:00
Speaker
I'm glad he's in this hobby because I feel like everything he says is very rational and very well thought out.
00:17:05
Speaker
And I felt the exact same way, like $600 for this layered piece of topper.
00:17:11
Speaker
Obviously, I wasn't interested in it, but it's funny because we all okay, not all of us.
00:17:16
Speaker
There are people that complain about the topper at $600 and then the topper sold out in what four hours.
00:17:23
Speaker
Yeah, it's so and really, I am totally guilty of that.
00:17:26
Speaker
I'm one of those guys who saw the topper and I said, I'm just going to buy it because I thought it was, you know, it's like for me getting the the pro versus the premium.
00:17:36
Speaker
I know some people feel this way and saying sometimes I just would look at the pro and say there's something here that should be there.
00:17:43
Speaker
And whether or not it's just a mental thing or just a.
00:17:48
Speaker
a complete thing.
00:17:48
Speaker
I tend to be that complete collector type.
00:17:52
Speaker
Uh, so.
00:17:55
Speaker
I, I, I love the topper and I, I, I enjoy it.
00:17:59
Speaker
I wish I had a little more 3d element, but it's, you know, it, it's good.
00:18:05
Speaker
It's really good.
00:18:05
Speaker
And it's a solid buy.
00:18:06
Speaker
Yep.
00:18:07
Speaker
Well, and here's, here's my only problem.
00:18:11
Speaker
With Stern, I guess it's not my only problem.
00:18:13
Speaker
This is the one I'm going to focus on right now in the moment.
00:18:17
Speaker
I feel like CGC does it best.
00:18:19
Speaker
When you buy an LE, it comes with the topper.
00:18:22
Speaker
It comes with some of those extras like the mirror blades and stuff like that.
00:18:27
Speaker
I know you still get extra with the Stern, but I mean, I'm standing right next to my attack for Mars.
00:18:32
Speaker
I had a monster bash LE.
00:18:34
Speaker
I got all that for 8,300 and that was like shipped.
00:18:38
Speaker
And I just don't feel like that's what comes with a stern L E. I mean, I'm totally fine with a premium because I feel like I can buy the topper later.
00:18:48
Speaker
I feel like the topper should come with the pinball machine on the flip side though.
00:18:52
Speaker
I get it.
00:18:53
Speaker
I get that the topper is an entirely different piece of artwork that has to be approved differently.
00:18:58
Speaker
And the licensing around it is different.
00:19:01
Speaker
Whereas like CGC has, you know, Monster Bash that's been out for, I don't know, like 22 years now.
00:19:09
Speaker
It's a little easier for them to work with the company that made it.
00:19:12
Speaker
And so the topper can come out with the pinball machine.
00:19:15
Speaker
Stern doesn't get that.
00:19:16
Speaker
I mean, we saw that with we got we saw that with Star Wars, right?
00:19:19
Speaker
Right.
00:19:20
Speaker
And so I get it.
00:19:23
Speaker
I guess it comes down to Stern puts out more machines more often versus CGCs making remakes.
00:19:30
Speaker
I don't know.
00:19:31
Speaker
That's just my beef.
00:19:33
Speaker
If you gave me a Stern LE versus a CGC LE, just based on the LE model, I think that CGC does it better.
Pinball Market Trends
00:19:43
Speaker
I would...
00:19:45
Speaker
I agree with you on one point is that they take the toppers to the next level.
00:19:51
Speaker
My counterpoint to that would be they're dealing with licenses that are almost 25 years old.
00:19:57
Speaker
Yes.
00:19:58
Speaker
And especially with medieval madness attack from Mars unlicensed.
00:20:03
Speaker
So they, they had carte blanche to do whatever they wanted with monster bash.
00:20:08
Speaker
Yes.
00:20:08
Speaker
They're dealing with universal licensing, but,
00:20:10
Speaker
But I felt that there was a little more leeway into getting that done.
00:20:16
Speaker
I think it's a little more challenging with a current license to do something like that.
00:20:22
Speaker
And so I understand that it is the high watermark on difficulties of dealing with a license is the Star Wars R2-D2 topper.
00:20:36
Speaker
And I would argue that it's one of the, it's one of the underwhelming toppers where you look at it and you're thinking, wow, that's 700.
00:20:48
Speaker
If you really love Star Wars, that is, that's your baby.
00:20:52
Speaker
It didn't feel that to me, but I also felt that they were put between a rock and a hard place because of the licensing agreement.
00:21:02
Speaker
I don't feel that that's how Jurassic Park was.
00:21:05
Speaker
I feel that Jurassic Park was more of a, hey, what else can we do to throw this on?
00:21:11
Speaker
And it feels very much like a, how can I say this without sounding insulting?
00:21:18
Speaker
You're not going to, just do it.
00:21:21
Speaker
Just do it.
00:21:21
Speaker
Okay.
00:21:22
Speaker
It feels like something in a casino.
00:21:26
Speaker
It feels like this is on top of a slot machine where it is eye-popping.
00:21:32
Speaker
It's attention-grabbing.
00:21:33
Speaker
It is amazing with the light show.
00:21:36
Speaker
But when you examine it up close, there's something phoned in about it.
00:21:42
Speaker
And that it was, you know, it's their existing art package.
00:21:47
Speaker
There's nothing new in the topper.
00:21:50
Speaker
It's the existing R package that is cut out and layered and lit.
00:21:56
Speaker
So I didn't feel there was as much involved in this topper as there was in Attack from Mars topper.
00:22:05
Speaker
But again, you can, if you really wanted to go to a third party,
00:22:10
Speaker
you could get a third party and that's your baby do it.
00:22:13
Speaker
I just wanted to have the entire light show integration.
00:22:17
Speaker
And maybe that's what I'm putting a premium on.
00:22:20
Speaker
I'm putting a premium on the coding integration of the light show because my Simpsons pinball party has a topper, but it has nothing to do with the light show integration.
00:22:32
Speaker
That's true.
00:22:32
Speaker
Now that I think about that topper, it's just Bart with a slingshot, right?
00:22:35
Speaker
And it's got the family behind him.
00:22:37
Speaker
It's a cool topper.
00:22:38
Speaker
I like the topper, but there's nothing that interacts with the gameplay.
00:22:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:43
Speaker
So it depends on what you're prioritizing.
00:22:46
Speaker
I wish that Stern had done more, but you can always find that, right?
00:22:50
Speaker
You can find something that you're like, I like this.
00:22:52
Speaker
I would improve it this way.
00:22:55
Speaker
Well, and here's my one last complaint or suggestion to Stern, maybe.
00:23:01
Speaker
If you're going to make these things, make more of them.
00:23:04
Speaker
Like, they're obviously selling out.
00:23:06
Speaker
Like, the Jurassic Park topper, like we said, four hours.
00:23:09
Speaker
When Dennis did his research, every single topper has sold out since, like, they started making these for these games.
00:23:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:17
Speaker
And you're on the waiting list for the shooter knob for Jurassic Park.
00:23:23
Speaker
Right.
00:23:24
Speaker
And I mean, and these are some things that they could easily outsource.
00:23:28
Speaker
And I agree.
00:23:29
Speaker
I love that Stern takes pride in assembling things in the United States.
00:23:33
Speaker
We all know that most of these products are there.
00:23:36
Speaker
The parts are manufactured overseas.
00:23:40
Speaker
Well, and you can't tell me that you could obviously create a very small team that would be over specifically toppers, shooter knobs, trans lights, art blades, all that stuff.
00:23:54
Speaker
I guarantee it would pay for it.
00:23:56
Speaker
Maybe I can't guarantee.
00:23:57
Speaker
I don't know.
00:23:57
Speaker
I'd have to see the numbers, and I know Stern's not going to give us those.
00:24:00
Speaker
Right.
00:24:00
Speaker
But I feel like you could create a team and start just pumping these babies out.
00:24:05
Speaker
And maybe there's not enough product to justify it.
00:24:09
Speaker
But still, I mean, people are paying outrageous numbers for a Ghostbusters topper, for a Beatles topper.
00:24:17
Speaker
I just don't understand why there isn't more of this produced if there's such a high demand.
00:24:23
Speaker
Well, I feel it's because it's a new market for them.
00:24:27
Speaker
So I don't feel that it's fully developed.
00:24:30
Speaker
I envision this in the future that maybe they are moving more onto it.
00:24:35
Speaker
I'm a little surprised that the black night topper seemed to have taken it to a new level.
00:24:40
Speaker
And this feels a little bit like a regression.
00:24:44
Speaker
A little bit.
00:24:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:45
Speaker
But still good.
00:24:47
Speaker
It's just, it's just different.
00:24:49
Speaker
It seems like it's, it's interactive with the game, but on an easier level.
00:24:55
Speaker
So my question to you is, let's say, because this topper obviously has what people are calling the DLC, the downloadable content.
00:25:05
Speaker
Do you feel like if they would have said that this topper was $500?
00:25:09
Speaker
Because that's still more than the toppers that they've made that are similar, but it's still less than some of their others.
00:25:19
Speaker
Do you think it would have justified the price point?
00:25:24
Speaker
Well, maybe I will say that I did overpay for it.
00:25:30
Speaker
When you look at, you know, the $600 package versus what else you could do.
00:25:37
Speaker
However, you could argue that you overpay for everything that is not stock.
00:25:43
Speaker
You can argue that you're overpaying for invisible glass.
00:25:47
Speaker
You can argue that you're overpaying for a shooter nod.
00:25:50
Speaker
You're arguing that I'm going to a mod company and overpaying for a plastic car that goes in the game for 80 bucks.
00:26:04
Speaker
And so every additional add-on, you can argue it doesn't justify the cost because it doesn't have the same bang for the game play interactivity that the game does itself.
00:26:19
Speaker
That's true.
00:26:20
Speaker
So is the, is the, the candy, the eye candy topper, that's 10% of what the game is.
00:26:27
Speaker
Does that justify the cost?
00:26:29
Speaker
Well, no.
00:26:30
Speaker
I would argue that it doesn't have the same justification for costs because I'm not interacting with that, but I still bought it.
00:26:38
Speaker
And so, yes, it does justify the cost because I am willing to dress up my machine that way.
00:26:45
Speaker
But you can, you can argue the same thing with cars.
00:26:48
Speaker
If you want to pay for the red leather stitching in your car, you can pay for it, but you're going to pay for it.
00:26:53
Speaker
Does the red leather stitching versus the standard black stitching do anything?
00:26:57
Speaker
Absolutely not.
00:26:58
Speaker
I agree.
00:26:59
Speaker
So, but that being said, I don't regret it.
00:27:03
Speaker
I love it.
00:27:04
Speaker
And I actually just bought a Beatles topper because I'm planning on buying a Beatles down the road.
00:27:09
Speaker
So, okay.
00:27:10
Speaker
I'm the guy who loves that kind of stuff and I'm willing to pay for it while knowing that it doesn't really interact with the gameplay.
00:27:20
Speaker
It's an emotion.
00:27:20
Speaker
It's an emotional purchase.
00:27:22
Speaker
Pinball is an emotional.
00:27:24
Speaker
I go down to my game room and I turn on the games because it makes me happy.
00:27:28
Speaker
Dude, I've got to say, though, I think Zach made a smart move by persuading you to him being your distributor.
00:27:36
Speaker
Because, like, we're sitting there on the messages.
00:27:40
Speaker
You're telling me you just got a Beetle topper, and then you're like...
00:27:44
Speaker
Uh, in the messages you're like, oh, I want a black night topper.
00:27:46
Speaker
I'm like, Zach or Scott, you don't even have a black night.
00:27:50
Speaker
I'll just get one locally.
00:27:51
Speaker
It's like, yeah, I know.
00:27:52
Speaker
But there, there is a black night that we both know is, is floating around and I would love to see that pro black night with the topper.
00:28:00
Speaker
I prefer the pro play to the, yeah, I, I totally get it.
00:28:04
Speaker
So I am that guy.
00:28:05
Speaker
I'm the guy who will pay, um, for something, but you have to argue the market dictates the price.
00:28:13
Speaker
It's very true.
00:28:14
Speaker
Yes.
00:28:14
Speaker
If they put out the topper for $600 and it didn't sell out, then that is saying that it's overpriced.
00:28:21
Speaker
If they put out the topper and they sell out of the supply, then absolutely.
00:28:26
Speaker
Now you can go back to economics, supply and demand.
00:28:29
Speaker
If the supply is bigger, the demand, it'll ultimately overwhelm the demand.
00:28:33
Speaker
But right now they haven't been doing that.
00:28:36
Speaker
Yeah, no, I agree.
00:28:38
Speaker
So.
00:28:39
Speaker
Yeah, I am a topper junkie.
00:28:40
Speaker
I totally get that.
00:28:42
Speaker
And I love toppers.
00:28:45
Speaker
Slap the vein, put it straight in.
00:28:46
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:47
Speaker
No, I'm that guy.
00:28:49
Speaker
And that's fine.
00:28:50
Speaker
I accept.
00:28:52
Speaker
I know myself.
00:28:52
Speaker
That's who it is.
00:28:53
Speaker
Well, let's move on to the list that we have here.
Remembering Steve Epstein
00:28:58
Speaker
Let's talk about something big that happened in the last couple weeks.
00:29:02
Speaker
I want to say this very sober.
00:29:06
Speaker
Steve Epstein passing.
00:29:09
Speaker
I don't know.
00:29:10
Speaker
It's very shocking to me.
00:29:11
Speaker
I guess, I guess it's shocking to us because what you guys don't know is we had Steve lined up to come on and do an interview.
00:29:17
Speaker
He was, after we did this, the Roger Sharp episode, uh, we got really talking to Roger and Roger said, you know, you should have Steve on.
00:29:25
Speaker
Steve's a wonderful man.
00:29:28
Speaker
I would love for you guys to have him on.
00:29:29
Speaker
And we agreed.
00:29:30
Speaker
We, we said, Hey, let's do it.
00:29:32
Speaker
And I don't know.
00:29:34
Speaker
It's, it's, it's just, it's weird, Scott.
00:29:38
Speaker
Like,
00:29:39
Speaker
This is a man that we're starting to get to know, and he's a fantastic man, and Jeff Teal has done a fantastic job.
00:29:46
Speaker
Listen to Pinball Profile.
00:29:48
Speaker
Listen to Final Round.
00:29:49
Speaker
He's done a wonderful job memorializing this gentleman, and I feel like we didn't get to meet the man that is a legend in this hobby like everyone else did.
00:30:02
Speaker
So, you know, rest in peace, Steve.
00:30:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:06
Speaker
I feel like it was one of those things that the timing was just not on our side.
00:30:10
Speaker
And I totally get that.
00:30:12
Speaker
And really, Roger probably was unaware of how sick he was at the time.
00:30:18
Speaker
Because he mentioned to us, he's like, hey, why don't you contact him?
00:30:20
Speaker
And we had a few interviews lined up.
00:30:23
Speaker
And so in my thought was, hey, this will be a great interview in two months.
00:30:29
Speaker
And so I was trying to line that up.
00:30:32
Speaker
And when I saw the post that, hey, Steve's sick.
00:30:38
Speaker
And not only is Steve sick, he is gravely sick.
00:30:44
Speaker
Um, and they actually, they said, send out messages to him and they sent his, his cell phone number.
00:30:52
Speaker
And I actually texted his cell phone number.
00:30:54
Speaker
I didn't want to call him because I know that sometimes when you're really sick, you just don't have the energy.
00:30:58
Speaker
And I said, Hey, you know, we just heard we were pulling for you.
00:31:03
Speaker
We wish you all the best.
00:31:05
Speaker
And if you ever feel like you, you are strong enough to come on the show, we'd love to have you on.
00:31:10
Speaker
And he texted it back.
00:31:11
Speaker
He's like, I would love to, as if I can get the energy.
00:31:16
Speaker
And that, that was one week before he died.
00:31:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:19
Speaker
And so I feel that,
00:31:22
Speaker
Part of me says, man, if we had jumped on it sooner, then we could have had him able to tell his story.
00:31:29
Speaker
I'm with you.
00:31:31
Speaker
I'm so glad that Teolis was able to do that.
00:31:34
Speaker
And in many ways, better than we could have done it.
00:31:37
Speaker
And being able to bring out Steve, he's known, uh, Steven.
00:31:41
Speaker
And in many ways, I'm happy that Steve has been able to see the resurrection of pinball because most of us have in our mind, um, special when lit that, uh, documentary that seems to more poke fun at pinball and the death of pinball.
00:31:58
Speaker
And it's a, it's a sad commentary on Steve.
00:32:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:02
Speaker
Just because Steve feels like the plug has been pulled on his lifelong passion.
00:32:06
Speaker
So in many ways, I would like to have heard how he has enjoyed the resurgence of pinball over the last 10 years.
00:32:16
Speaker
I agree.
00:32:17
Speaker
But yes, absolutely.
00:32:19
Speaker
Rest in peace.
00:32:19
Speaker
Everything he's done for pinball.
00:32:23
Speaker
There is a big regret that we were never able to get him on.
00:32:27
Speaker
It was our every intention of getting him on.
00:32:29
Speaker
We were in the process of doing it.
00:32:32
Speaker
But, you know, father time is undefeated and rest in peace.
00:32:37
Speaker
Um, speaking in interviews, let's, let's, let's recap the last, it's almost been three months.
00:32:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:45
Speaker
We, we, we went interview crazy, but I, these are things that we wanted to talk about and, and that, that's what makes for a good episode is when you actually have things you're like, I don't know enough about this.
00:32:57
Speaker
I want to talk to that person.
00:32:59
Speaker
I agree.
00:33:00
Speaker
Well, I just want to go through this list really quick.
00:33:02
Speaker
We had Dwight Sullivan on doing Ninja Turtles.
00:33:05
Speaker
We had Josh Kugler with Hot Wheels, Doug Polka with Pinberg, Zach Sharp with Everything Zach, Josh Sharp with Everything Josh, and Roger Sharp with Everything Roger.
00:33:15
Speaker
And that was two episodes.
00:33:16
Speaker
It just wasn't one.
00:33:17
Speaker
And then the one I really want to point out that we had a lot of great feedback on was the Jeff Rivera episode.
00:33:24
Speaker
that kind of started it all before COVID happened.
00:33:28
Speaker
Well, I guess it started happening because he explained that he thought he gave Donovan Mitchell, the Utah jazz COVID.
00:33:35
Speaker
I can't remember if he said that on the podcast.
00:33:37
Speaker
I think he didn't say that on the podcast.
00:33:38
Speaker
It was, it was before, but yes, he, he, we were talking on the side and he mentioned that he was at a, a Denny's or something with a kid who loved Donovan Mitchell.
00:33:49
Speaker
He saw Donovan Mitchell walked in.
00:33:50
Speaker
So he walked up to Donovan and said, Hey, this kid's a big fan.
00:33:53
Speaker
I think he even had a Donovan Mitchell shirt.
00:33:57
Speaker
And it was the kid's birthday.
00:33:58
Speaker
They were at IHOP.
00:33:59
Speaker
Yeah, that's where it was.
00:34:00
Speaker
But it was a breath of fresh air because Jeff talked about mental health and getting yourself taken care of.
00:34:08
Speaker
If you haven't listened to that episode, I do recommend going back.
00:34:11
Speaker
If there's someone that comes to mind when we talk about mental health, Jeff had some wonderful insight on that episode.
00:34:18
Speaker
It's been well-received.
00:34:19
Speaker
I mean, we've had over 1,000 listens on it.
00:34:23
Speaker
It's the end of March, beginning of April.
00:34:25
Speaker
Check it out.
00:34:25
Speaker
It's a great, great interview.
00:34:27
Speaker
On top of all the other interviews, I thought COVID would stop our numbers.
00:34:32
Speaker
And if anything, our numbers keep going up and up.
00:34:35
Speaker
And I can't complain.
00:34:36
Speaker
I'm glad people are listening.
00:34:37
Speaker
Obviously, someone wants to hear something we're saying, right?
00:34:40
Speaker
I think people want to have some sort of normalcy in life.
00:34:44
Speaker
It gives, obviously, we're all dealing with some very major issues, some life altering issues, whether it be financial, whether it be social, whether it be physical, health wise.
00:34:58
Speaker
I think we all want to go to, you know, we want to escape.
00:35:02
Speaker
And I we appreciate that we've been able to provide that for some people because this podcast is also an escape for us.
Podcast's Role and Social Impact
00:35:10
Speaker
Exactly.
00:35:11
Speaker
In that I haven't been working as much.
00:35:13
Speaker
I work at a hospital and this has been drastically affecting our day-to-day work.
00:35:20
Speaker
But Josh, you have, you have issues too that you're trying to deal with just to deal with health of your employees and, and everything.
00:35:28
Speaker
And we all know that this is going on in life and we know that not only COVID, but also the social justice things that have been going on and
00:35:39
Speaker
We, we are aware of them.
00:35:41
Speaker
We are, uh, we're supporting positive change everywhere.
00:35:45
Speaker
And we also recognize that sometimes people just want to talk about pinball and sometimes people just want an escape.
00:35:53
Speaker
So they're not dealing with the heavy things about life.
00:35:55
Speaker
Sometimes they want an escape to something lighter.
00:35:59
Speaker
Well, and I've got to say, you know, there's some other podcasts that have developed deep into our social issues with our, our physical issues.
00:36:07
Speaker
And I applaud you guys.
00:36:09
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That is awesome when you do that.
00:36:11
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That's just not us.
00:36:13
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I know that we've had people approach us and say, hey, you need to give your stance on this.
00:36:17
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And Scott and I have always given our stance of we love our wives.
00:36:22
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We think women are fantastic.
00:36:23
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We support women.
00:36:25
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them and what they do um we we believe that you should be judged off your character not off your skin color race religion you know it just so if if you want to know our stance that's always what it's going to be i mean we we believe
00:36:43
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those things.
00:36:43
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And so other than that, we want to talk pinball because that's what we're here for.
00:36:47
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Right.
00:36:48
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Right.
00:36:49
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My attitude is the best way to incorporate people is to bring more seats to the table, make the table bigger.
00:36:57
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Yes.
00:36:58
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Let's try not to take away a seat to give a seat to someone else.
00:37:01
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Let's try to expand the seats.
00:37:04
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And so there is a place for everybody to
00:37:06
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Regardless of who you are genetically, physically, socially, sexually, anything like that, we want to make sure that pinball is a way that you can have a positive experience in your life.
00:37:21
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And I don't really like dealing with the divisive nature that sometimes people use when
00:37:30
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as a weapon in a hobby that I think should be something very promoting.
00:37:35
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Obviously, we're going to talk about behavior that we don't feel is inclusive.
00:37:41
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But I also want to make sure everybody feels that there is a spot for them.
00:37:45
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I agree.
00:37:47
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So that's our stance.
00:37:48
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You know, I don't see it changing anytime soon.
00:37:51
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So if another issue comes up and you wonder what the loser kids are thinking, it's probably that.
00:37:57
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There's space for everybody and don't be an eggplant.
00:38:00
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Oh, it always makes me chuckle when you send the eggplant emoji.
00:38:07
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And so...
00:38:08
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Well, okay.
00:38:08
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But it's usually like, come on, like, let's be nice to people.
00:38:11
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Let's stop it.
00:38:12
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You know, it's everybody, you know, just stop playing.
00:38:19
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I know.
00:38:19
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You just drop the mic.
00:38:20
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You're like, boom.
00:38:21
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Yeah.
00:38:21
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I know there's real issues and I truly do.
00:38:23
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I'm not, I understand that there are, there are strong issues that people feel about and on both sides.
00:38:30
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And I have friends on both sides of the issue.
00:38:33
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And I try to focus on what are the things that we have in common?
00:38:38
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And also recognize that, yes, there are some toxic elements that I'm not going to support, but I'm trying to look past those and say, let's focus on the things that we can build upon.
00:38:48
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And maybe there's times that people will evolve.
00:38:52
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Their views on society will evolve.
00:38:55
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They will be more accepting for people.
00:38:57
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And some people, it's a light switch.
00:39:00
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Other people, it's a pickling process where it takes a while to change years of entrenched attitudes.
00:39:08
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And those attitudes, I disagree with.
00:39:11
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They're wrong in my book.
00:39:13
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And I would like them to change them, but sometimes it takes time.
00:39:18
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Well, and just like Abraham Lincoln said, a house divided cannot stand.
00:39:23
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And so let's work on getting rid of those division lines, wherever they may be.
00:39:27
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You don't have to have the same opinion.
00:39:29
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You don't have to
00:39:31
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agree upon everything.
00:39:32
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But if you respect each other, regardless of what the issue is, I've always been the firm believer.
00:39:38
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I don't want a bunch of yes men surrounding me because nothing's ever going to evolve.
00:39:43
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And so I want to hear a differing opinion because we need to learn and we're going to only be able to do it if we step out of our comfort zones.
00:39:51
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So thank you to those podcasts that have stepped up, that have
00:39:55
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had those discussions because it's been awesome.
00:39:57
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So, especially in what I would consider a positive way.
00:40:00
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Yes.
00:40:03
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So, so especially, uh, our friend at the back, back box pinball podcast, if you haven't checked that episode out, uh, it's been an episode or two, just go check
Pinball Preferences and Trends
00:40:11
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it out.
00:40:11
Speaker
So, um, really quickly, let's see what else we got on this.
00:40:16
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Uh, heavy metal.
00:40:17
Speaker
We haven't even talked about heavy metal.
00:40:19
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Uh,
00:40:20
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So Josh, what are your feelings about heavy metal?
00:40:23
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This is, this is something that just kind of has, has sneaked snuck.
00:40:28
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What was that?
00:40:30
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It has gone under the radar with everything else that's been going on in life.
00:40:34
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Okay.
00:40:34
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So are you, are you buying a heavy metal pinball machine and putting it in your basement?
00:40:39
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Half naked women on pinball machines don't go over well in my house.
00:40:46
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Here's my honest opinion about this production line.
00:40:52
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The Star Wars home pin, the
00:40:54
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Heavy Metal, the, what other one has come out recently that's the same layout?
00:41:01
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You know what I'm talking about, right?
00:41:03
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Spider-Man was the same way and Supreme was the same way.
00:41:07
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Correct.
00:41:07
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The cheaper model that is what, only $1,000 cheaper, whatever.
00:41:14
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I have never put my hand on one of these.
00:41:16
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I've never touched a Star Wars.
00:41:17
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I've never touched a Heavy Metal.
00:41:18
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I've never touched a yada, yada, yada.
00:41:21
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I have really good friends that get to play almost every single pinball machine.
00:41:26
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And when Star Wars The Pin came out, I asked them, I said, hey, I know you've played this.
00:41:33
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Tell me about it.
00:41:35
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And they flat out said, hey, they feel cheap.
00:41:39
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They feel they're very light.
00:41:43
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they don't feel quality at all.
00:41:45
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And so they kind of warned me like they're not made for us.
00:41:49
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And that's probably a good thing because I don't think the community at large would be happy with this product.
00:41:56
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I guess it's one of those, you get what you pay for.
00:41:59
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I'm not huge into heavy metal.
00:42:00
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It's cool that they've got like Blue Oyster Colt and some of those other bands from the 80s.
00:42:05
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Our work looks good, but I just, I don't know.
00:42:09
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That never appeals to me.
00:42:11
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I don't, I don't, I want to say sorry, but I'm not sorry.
00:42:13
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So sorry, not sorry.
00:42:16
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You know, I I'll say that, uh, this is like, uh, the car line, like there are car.
00:42:23
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And this was when I was deciding between the pro and the premium, I, I was asking a few of my buddies in pinball and they said, Scott, you're, you're a premium guy.
00:42:35
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And I said, really?
00:42:36
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Why do you say that?
00:42:36
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And it's like, when you buy a car,
00:42:40
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you get the leather seats, you get the cruise control, you get the upgraded version because that is important to you.
00:42:47
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Now that may not be important for everybody, but that's important to you.
00:42:51
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And so I get that this is not for me.
00:42:56
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When you go into a game room shop, you're going to see a big line of things, whether or not it's a $10,000 billiard table or $2,000 billiard table.
00:43:07
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Guess what?
00:43:08
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My brother is the $2,000 billiard table type.
00:43:11
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He actually may be the $500 billiard table type.
00:43:14
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That's him.
00:43:15
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And that's not saying that he's cheap.
00:43:18
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That's just saying that that's the budget that he is interested in spending on that particular product.
00:43:25
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So for games like this, I still think there's a market for it.
00:43:29
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I still think there's a good place for them.
00:43:32
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And if someone's really into the theme of heavy metal, it's a very niche theme.
00:43:38
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It's the same thing as like Primus.
00:43:41
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It's the same thing as Supreme.
00:43:43
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And I know you're talking different extremes for what people are willing to spend.
00:43:48
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But is this machine that has a different art package and it caters to the heavy metal brand,
00:43:55
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versus the Supreme brand and ask yourself, which one would you rather have?
00:44:00
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Because the bottom line is it's the same type of game.
00:44:04
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but one is felt to be a collector's issue or your collector's item.
00:44:09
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So that's why people will spend $20,000 on versus others that people will spend $4,000 on it.
00:44:15
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So I, I will continue to say it's still fun.
00:44:20
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It's still pinball.
00:44:21
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It's probably not for me, but I can see a guy who, a guy or a girl who's interested in having a game room, um,
00:44:32
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and saying, well, that's the budget I have for a pinball machine, so that's what I'm gonna buy.
00:44:36
Speaker
I agree.
00:44:37
Speaker
And it's still a new in box.
00:44:39
Speaker
And so you don't have to buy something and then either figure out how to fix it or hire someone to come and do it.
00:44:47
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This is fine.
00:44:49
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It is that type of market.
00:44:52
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And I still think it's a positive thing.
00:44:57
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The theme is absolutely not for me, but not every theme is.
00:45:02
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I just find it funny because the community is like, pinball needs to be cheaper.
00:45:06
Speaker
Pinball needs to be cheaper.
00:45:07
Speaker
Well, they found you an answer.
00:45:09
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And we're like, no, we don't want that, but we still want cheaper.
00:45:14
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Legitimately, no podcaster is going to want this.
00:45:17
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Yeah, that's true.
00:45:17
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Nobody who's really seriously on the pin side is going to want this.
00:45:21
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However, everybody knows someone who's like...
00:45:24
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Hey, I'm interested in pinball.
00:45:26
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And what's the second question they say when they say, oh, Hey, you have pinball machines.
00:45:32
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What's the second question they always say?
00:45:34
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How much are they?
00:45:35
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How much are they?
00:45:36
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Yep.
00:45:37
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And so this is, this is that market for someone.
00:45:40
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If you tell someone, Hey, a new one box pinball machine is $5,800.
00:45:44
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They're going to choke.
00:45:46
Speaker
Some people it's like, well, maybe 4,500 is a more acceptable thing.
00:45:49
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And
00:45:52
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Guess what?
00:45:53
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A lot of people have no idea about the code.
00:45:55
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Yeah.
00:45:56
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They really don't.
00:45:57
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They just want to flip a ball.
00:45:59
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This fits that role.
00:46:01
Speaker
Okay, so this brings up another question in my mind.
00:46:03
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We posted this to the Loser Kid page.
00:46:08
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Zen Studios has worked with 1UP Arcade to bring out a new Marvel virtual pinball machine.
00:46:16
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I know, virtual.
00:46:17
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People cringe.
00:46:19
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But it's $500.
00:46:19
Speaker
Or is it $600?
00:46:22
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Sorry.
00:46:22
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It's in that range.
00:46:23
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I mean, we're under $1,000.
00:46:26
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And it includes like 10, 12 tables.
00:46:29
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And granted, they're all the Zen studio pinball machines you can get on your phone, but maybe you could reverse engineer it or something and also get the Zen studio Williams games.
00:46:42
Speaker
Is that something that is perfectly feasible even for collectors like us?
00:46:48
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What do you think?
00:46:49
Speaker
Okay, so I'm going to flip this a different way and I already know the answer to this, okay?
00:46:54
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Okay.
00:46:56
Speaker
Are you an arcade snob?
00:46:59
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Me?
00:46:59
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Yeah.
00:47:00
Speaker
Like arcade machines?
00:47:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:03
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I guess no.
00:47:05
Speaker
I don't know.
00:47:05
Speaker
I really like my pinball machines.
00:47:06
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Yeah.
00:47:08
Speaker
Okay.
00:47:09
Speaker
So let's just say there was a theme that you really liked and you identified with in the 90s that came out in a cheaper version that was maybe a four-player game that you could put in your basement for $350.
00:47:22
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Would you buy it?
00:47:25
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Yes, hands down.
00:47:26
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I was on the pre-order list for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
00:47:29
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Okay.
00:47:29
Speaker
So an arcade snob.
00:47:31
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So someone who runs an arcade podcast is going to crucify anybody who will slum it with a 1A with an arcade one-up machine.
00:47:41
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But guess what?
00:47:42
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You and I both have one.
00:47:44
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Yep.
00:47:46
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Well, you can justify it.
00:47:47
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I mean, it's 350 bucks.
00:47:48
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Okay.
00:47:48
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So there's a price point where it's justified.
00:47:50
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Okay.
00:47:51
Speaker
But there are people who are out there who is the same thing for a, a pinball machine.
00:47:57
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Hey, I don't really care if it's not a Bally Williams, uh, from the nineties.
00:48:04
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I just want a game to flip and this is a new game.
00:48:06
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And so I'll get it.
00:48:08
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Well, but what's crazy to me is this is 600 bucks and, uh,
00:48:13
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The thing actually has responsive, like there's feet, HEPA feedback for the buttons.
00:48:18
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You can nudge it.
00:48:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:19
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And you can nudge it.
00:48:20
Speaker
And so for 600 bucks, yeah, it's not the actual thing, but 600 bucks.
00:48:27
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Hey, if I had a cabin, if I had a cabin up in the woods, I wouldn't want a real pinball machine because if it breaks down, that's a pain of the rump to fix.
00:48:35
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But this thing, yeah, sure.
00:48:37
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I'll throw a $600 thing up there.
00:48:38
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It'd be great.
00:48:39
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Okay.
00:48:40
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Here's the true question.
00:48:42
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and maybe I'm not asking this to you, Scott, but those in our audience, would you prefer a Jurassic Park topper or would you prefer a virtual pinball machine that comes with 10 tables?
00:48:55
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Just saying.
00:48:55
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Yeah.
00:48:57
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Hey, it's legitimate to ask those questions.
00:49:00
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So I think this is a great idea.
00:49:02
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If it sells out and sells well, I wouldn't be shocked if they come out with a Williams version of this.
00:49:09
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Maybe I I've seen people who have those type of things.
00:49:13
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Uh, I, for me, it still doesn't feel as much like pinball.
00:49:19
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And so it doesn't scratch that itch for me, but everybody has that itch to scratch and you have to decide what the itches.
00:49:26
Speaker
I agree.
00:49:26
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Well, and some of these tables are fantastic.
00:49:28
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I don't know if you've ever played infinity gauntlet by Zen studios.
00:49:32
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It is genius.
00:49:33
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Yeah.
00:49:34
Speaker
I mean, some of those Zen ones are great.
00:49:36
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I mean, they're, they're fun.
00:49:38
Speaker
And that one's in this pinball machine.
00:49:40
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Like I wish they could make that infinity gauntlet into a pinball machine, but it's not physically possible because like each gem, like there's the mind gem or the, no, sorry, the soul gem.
00:49:51
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When you go into the soul gem,
00:49:53
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to obtain it, it sucks you into the soul world and you've got a different mini game you've got to play in the soul world and complete it before you go back to the real world.
00:50:02
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And so it's just, it's really cool little nuances like that.
00:50:06
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And so that's why I'm like, I'm actually considering buying this thing because heck, it's 600 bucks and these machines I know that will never be made physically because you can't, this is as close as you're going to get to physical without actually making the game.
00:50:20
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So...
00:50:20
Speaker
Okay, what about this thing with the Zen Star Wars games?
00:50:25
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Because I would take the Empire Strikes Back Star Wars game that they have in Zen Studio, and I wish they would make that a physical one.
00:50:33
Speaker
I know they can't do the exact same thing, but man, that would be a great game.
00:50:37
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No, I agree.
00:50:38
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So I just, I think that we kind of like, I haven't heard anything about this and like, this should get a lot more credit than what people, they're just, I mean, we've had a conversation on our Facebook page with it, but I haven't really seen much besides that.
00:50:51
Speaker
Granted, I don't go on Pinside.
00:50:54
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Okay.
00:50:54
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I go on Pinside and I see, but it's,
00:50:58
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It just feels like there's a niche for a lot of different markets.
00:51:02
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And I think there is a niche for this one.
00:51:04
Speaker
There's a niche for the virtual.
00:51:06
Speaker
And whether or not you feel it's for you, that's fine.
00:51:09
Speaker
Not every band is for you either.
00:51:11
Speaker
Yeah, true.
00:51:13
Speaker
So.
00:51:14
Speaker
Let's say a couple more things on this list before we before we sign off.
00:51:18
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Oh, Jeremy Packer, a.k.a.
00:51:20
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Zombie Yeti.
00:51:21
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He was on Super Awesome Pinball Show.
00:51:22
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They did the first interview.
00:51:24
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If you haven't listened to it, it's fantastic.
00:51:27
Speaker
I just want to say really quickly, Jeremy.
00:51:32
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you're more than welcome to still cut.
00:51:33
Speaker
You're more than welcome to come on our show and we won't call you an egomaniac.
00:51:37
Speaker
If you don't, he claimed that's why he doesn't do podcasts anymore for pinballs.
00:51:41
Speaker
Cause I guess something to do with Deadpool.
00:51:44
Speaker
Just, just go listen to it.
00:51:45
Speaker
I'm not going to quote it verbatim here cause I want it to come out of his lips.
00:51:49
Speaker
So go listen to it if you haven't already.
00:51:52
Speaker
Yeah, another.
00:51:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:53
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And Jeremy, if you're willing to come on, we'd love to talk to you.
00:51:57
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We love to talk about all things pinball.
00:51:59
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Art is a big thing, a selling feature for pinball, and you certainly have a talent for it.
00:52:05
Speaker
Second thing is we have the Deep Root update.
00:52:08
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So.
00:52:09
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And Deep Root has really gotten crushed a few times with them trying to do this massive launch, but they've decided instead to bring it more in-house and do, I would say a similar reveal as to what Stern is doing.
00:52:25
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So they'll be able to do a controlled reveal and just say, hey, this is what's going on.
00:52:29
Speaker
Obviously in life in the time of COVID, it's pretty hard to do a mega reveal.
00:52:35
Speaker
And I think this will actually play to their advantage.
00:52:38
Speaker
They can take a lesson from Stern in how to reveal a game, do a teaser, show the artwork, and then have a gameplay.
00:52:47
Speaker
And I think that will actually do much better for them than to try to go for a big reveal.
00:52:52
Speaker
What do you think, Josh?
00:52:53
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I think that's what it is to a T. I mean, that's kind of what they put on their website, so...
00:52:59
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I don't know.
00:53:00
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I just feel bad because I feel like every time they've attempted something, life has been like, no.
00:53:07
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So I'm ready.
00:53:09
Speaker
I'm rooting
Upcoming Pinball Releases
00:53:10
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for DeepRoot.
00:53:10
Speaker
I think if they're bringing in the innovation that they've claimed that they're bringing to the table, bring it.
00:53:18
Speaker
I want to see it.
00:53:18
Speaker
Yeah, I'm curious.
00:53:20
Speaker
I want to see what you have.
00:53:21
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:23
Speaker
Kate Martin joined Mrs. Pin.
00:53:27
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I'm sorry.
00:53:28
Speaker
I can't remember which podcast it was, but she talked about the next two Keith Elwin games.
00:53:33
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Kate Martin did.
00:53:34
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They're actually going to have the exact same artist on both.
00:53:37
Speaker
I guess he's going to be working.
00:53:38
Speaker
He or she is going to be working both.
00:53:41
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They didn't say who the artist was, but I guess whenever Keith's third game comes out, we will know that the artist on that is also the game for, or the artist for number four.
00:53:50
Speaker
So,
00:53:51
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Right.
00:53:51
Speaker
And if you're not familiar with Kate, she's a friend of the show.
00:53:53
Speaker
She, uh, she, um, helps coordinate bells and chimes in New York.
00:53:57
Speaker
And so if you're ever in New York, uh, works at the buttermilk bar, she always sends some, uh, funny updates.
00:54:03
Speaker
And so drop in and play some pinball and say, hi.
00:54:05
Speaker
I agree.
00:54:07
Speaker
Um, did you know, fan of the show, Steven Haberman Haberman, I'm sorry.
00:54:15
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He sent us a scoop and I want to talk about this because I think this is really, really cool.
00:54:21
Speaker
So Marcus Graham, I don't know if that name means anything to anyone out there, but this gentleman is the director of community and education at Twitch.
00:54:33
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Why should you care?
00:54:35
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Well, he is DJ Wheat on Pinside.
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And he said he's in for a TMNT LE.
00:54:44
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This is his first earned premium and his third Dwight game.
00:54:47
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He owns a Munsters Black and White and a Whodunit, or his other two.
00:54:51
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This theme, Ninja Turtles, comes true for me, and I expect it to get a ton of play with my friends and family, especially with various modes.
00:55:01
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That is awesome.
00:55:02
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That...
00:55:03
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Okay, first off, Twitch is the biggest platform for video game and pinball streaming, hands down.
00:55:11
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Like, Mixer has nothing on it.
00:55:12
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Let's just say that's what it is, right?
00:55:14
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And here you've got the director of Twitch,
00:55:19
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saying, Hey, I buy pinball machines.
00:55:21
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I think this is a step in the right direction.
00:55:23
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I mean, we always talk about how we can expand pinball.
00:55:26
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Here you go.
00:55:27
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Like, I don't know if Jack danger has something to do with it or if DJ wheat has always just been in the hobby, but this is freaking awesome.
00:55:35
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Like, how can we, how can we expand upon this?
00:55:39
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Yeah, I think it's good.
00:55:40
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Obviously when you're bringing in new interest, um, even like Kim Kardashian, having a pinball machine.
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you're going to get more eyeballs.
00:55:50
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You're going to get more people interested.
00:55:51
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And just so you know, Steven Haberman, his Twitch channel is Habermania.
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And so go ahead and check that out.
00:55:57
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He's a good friend of the show too.
00:55:59
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Heck yes.
00:56:01
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That pretty much wraps it up for our list besides talking about our good old friend, Ken Cromwell.
Financial Insights into JJP
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If you haven't checked it out,
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He is now the communication director over at JJP, and he started up the JJP podcast.
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And so if you haven't listened to it, he's released two episodes already.
00:56:20
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The interesting one that I thought that they put out there, one of the owners, I didn't know this guy, owned JJP.
00:56:28
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But he talked about how the myth of JJP never makes any money.
00:56:34
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And he said they've been making like 25% profit every year for like the last three or four years.
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So obviously, whatever they've changed in the last four years is doing very well for them.
00:56:46
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And they said they're getting close to breaking even, which is very impressive.
00:56:49
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I know that Zach over on the pinball show is like, well, that's weird.
00:56:52
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That makes no sense.
00:56:53
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But if you think about it, they've paid to make a production line, which that isn't cheap.
00:56:57
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They've paid for two manufacturers.
00:57:00
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They've played for a manufacturing place in Chicago and a development place in New Jersey.
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That can't be cheap.
00:57:06
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I think people don't realize there's a lot of overhead
00:57:10
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And so you just don't make money day one.
00:57:13
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You've got to overcome buying stuff to make the company.
00:57:17
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And it sounds like they've got a bright, bright future and JJP does.
00:57:21
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I can't wait to see their next product.
00:57:23
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Yeah.
00:57:23
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Most people don't realize when you start up a company, the expected time to actually start making money is roughly five years.
00:57:32
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And so if you really want to see how long that takes, just go back and look at the history of Amazon.
00:57:40
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And yes, everybody wants to be Jeff Bezos now with the mega billions he has.
00:57:46
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However, just go back 15, 16, 17 years and watch the development of Amazon.
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And it was a struggle to get that off the ground and that concept.
00:57:59
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And basically he was just...
00:58:01
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redoing the Sears Robux catalog that happened 200 years ago, but he was doing it in an online fashion.
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And yes, now we know how that has worked out, but it took him a while to even break even.
00:58:13
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And so that's not unusual for this.
00:58:15
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And so a big shout out to JJP for moving on.
00:58:19
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And again, more pinballs, better.
00:58:21
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Yep.
Collecting Philosophy and Conclusion
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Before we end things, I know you've got your Lord of the Rings story you want to tell us.
00:58:28
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Yeah, so this probably means nothing to anybody else except me.
00:58:34
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When I started getting into pinball, I've told the story before.
00:58:38
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I just bought the Simpsons pinball party on a whim, and it was 100% due to theme, and I knew nothing about pinball.
00:58:45
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And I had it because I didn't realize that there were actually modes and rules, and I had no idea how to buy it, how to play it.
00:58:53
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And so...
00:58:55
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I started looking, I don't know, maybe a year or two later, I started saying, huh, maybe I can look at something else.
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And I saw someone who was selling a Pirates of the Caribbean, a Stern one.
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And I talked back and forth with him and I just felt, you know, it's a little more than I want to pay.
00:59:10
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And it was actually a decent price, by the way.
00:59:13
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But this is what happens when you first start getting into pinball.
00:59:16
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Um, long story short, I asked this guy, well, long story long.
00:59:19
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Anyway, uh, I asked this guy what he was interested in.
00:59:22
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Cause I knew he sold it and he said, well, I was looking for a Lord of the Rings.
00:59:25
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So on our classifieds, uh, in Utah, uh, I had seen one of a Lord of the Rings and I screenshot it and I sent it to him and I said, Hey, uh, you may be interested in this.
00:59:37
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And of course later I thought, huh, well, that's kind of dumb.
00:59:41
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Maybe I was interested in this, but I passed him the lead and he went and checked it out.
00:59:45
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And
00:59:46
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It was a lady who was divorced and she obviously had the pinball machine that she got in the divorce and she was trying to sell it on.
00:59:57
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He said, look, let me just tell you, this is the range.
00:59:59
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And he was very honest with her.
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This is the range of what the games go for.
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If you have someone come and clean it up and get it all tuned up, this is what it's going for.
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I'm willing to spend this and I'll go and do all that stuff.
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So he bought that.
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And I talked to him about it and he said, but she also has a Spider-Man.
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And so I went over and I bought the Spider-Man from her.
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And same thing.
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I said, look, I can fix it up.
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I can do all that.
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Or you can call the local guy, Ray, and he's willing to come out and he'll go and tune it up for you.
01:00:27
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It'll cost you this amount.
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But I'm willing to do that if you just...
01:00:31
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Don't want to hassle that.
01:00:32
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So I bought Spider-Man, but I told him, I said, if you ever decided to sell Lower the Rings, let me know.
01:00:38
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And I was a little surprised because two weeks ago he messaged me and he said, hey, I'm going to be selling Lower the Rings.
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And so I have really wanted one for a long time.
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So I actually said, OK, so I went there tonight and went and played it and he's done some great upgrades to it.
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He's actually upgraded it to the LE ROM and he has changed all the lights, put a few awesome mods in it.
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And I I walked away from it and I said, thank you so much.
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I really appreciate you contacting me.
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But
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In the time that I've been in the hobby, I guess, I've met a few more friends.
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And one of my best friends is one of my partners in anesthesia.
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And he actually has Lord of the Rings.
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And we've started to view our collection as more of a group collection.
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And he has an LE Lord of the Rings, which is amazing and it's beautiful.
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And I thought, you know, if I were to buy this Lord of the Rings, I would have to sell something that's unique.
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And even though we have, like he has nine games, I have 13 games.
01:01:50
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He's the one who sold me Jurassic Park, by the way.
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We only have two that overlap.
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We both have Attack from Mars and we both have Medieval Madness.
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And I felt that I would be sacrificing a unique game to have a duplicate of a game.
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And so I don't know how you feel about this, but my attitude is as long as I have access to games, I would rather have more of a variety than having everybody have the same thing.
01:02:15
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And maybe this is a step of maturity for me in the hobby and that I no longer view that I have to have every game.
01:02:24
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That's very impressive.
01:02:26
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So, and I, and to buy Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, I'm actually selling one of my favorite games.
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I'm selling Iron Man, which I love.
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It's a beautiful Iron Man.
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I don't think you'll ever find a prettier one that's very customized, but another mutual friend who is interested in it, he said he wanted to buy it.
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And I said, okay, well I can sell that and I can get Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and
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it will be a way that we can start rotating the collection and having fun.
01:02:55
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And I've gotten over the point where I have to beat every game.
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Like, I don't know if I'll ever get to the wizard mode on every game, but I've at least had four years of playing this game and enjoying it.
01:03:06
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So it's time to move on.
01:03:07
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Nice.
01:03:08
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Well, if you need someone to pin sit Lord of the Rings.
01:03:12
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Well, you can buy it.
01:03:13
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I have his contact.
01:03:15
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All right.
01:03:15
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May I have to do that?
01:03:17
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So that'd be awesome.
01:03:20
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But yeah, we'll, I'll have to talk to you about that after.
01:03:23
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Okay.
01:03:24
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Sounds good.
01:03:24
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It's a beautiful game.
01:03:26
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So awesome.
01:03:28
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Well, that brings us to the end of our episode, Scott.
01:03:30
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Um, you know, we have people lined up to come in.
01:03:34
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I just wanted to, like I said, it's been forever where it's just you and I talking and this was cool.
01:03:39
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This is good tonight.
01:03:40
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Cause.
01:03:42
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It's really weird to not talk about what we've done in pinball.
01:03:44
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And that's kind of the whole point of the show.
01:03:46
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Well, usually we still have these conversations.
01:03:49
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They just have, have not been online.
01:03:51
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So true.
01:03:52
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True.
01:03:53
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But, but man, uh, yeah, I don't know how to end this.
01:03:58
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Well, as always, check us out.
01:04:01
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We are typically on Facebook, occasionally on Instagram and rarely on Twitter.
01:04:07
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Certainly, if you're listening to iTunes, please leave us a review because that certainly helps our visibility.
01:04:14
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And please be nice to each other, share some pinball and try to bring more people to the hobby.
01:04:22
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Couldn't agree more.
01:04:24
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And how can they reach us if they want to reach out to us, Josh?
01:04:28
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If you want to hit us up, you can hit us at Facebook.
01:04:30
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Just send us a DM or at LoserKidPinballPodcast at gmail.com.
01:04:36
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Honestly, no one ever sends us emails that way because the name is entirely too long to remember for the Gmail.
01:04:44
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But seriously, hit us up on Facebook.
01:04:46
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We love to chat.
01:04:48
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We always have some conversations going on.
01:04:51
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It's always great to be talking with people in the community.
01:04:53
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Yeah.
01:04:54
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Yeah.
01:04:55
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Anyway, thanks for listening and check us out in a week or two.
01:04:59
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You know what?