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Extended Clip - Juventus next manager: From Zidane to Tudor - who will replace Max Allegri?
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With Max Allegri looking like he'll leave Juventus at the end of the season, Carlo Garganese and Nima Tavallaey debate, discuss and analyze who the best man for the job would be after Allegri: from Luciano Spalletti and Zinedine Zidane to Igor Tudor, Antonio Cone and Luis Enrique.
This is a clip from the weekly Thursday episode of the Italian Football Podcast.
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Allegri's Uncertain Future at Juventus
00:00:02
Speaker
Welcome to the Italian football podcast. So anyway, that brings us on nicely to Allegri because Allegri now having been despite everything that's happened this season, being pretty solid in his job for everyone that I've spoken to that he still had the support of the Juventus board and everybody that's at Juventus at the moment, having no intention to get rid of him. Well, the last few days, it seems like that
00:00:33
Speaker
attitude has shifted because John Elkan in particular is not happy with
00:00:41
Speaker
Allegri's comments after the game against the 4-1 defeat against Empoli, where you could see Allegri was exhausted. He felt unhappy with the way things have played out this season, on and off the pitch, the points penalties, the way that they took points off Juventus and they gave him back and they took it off him. This kind of has been called, Elkan has regarded it as this victim mentality. He didn't appreciate that.
00:01:10
Speaker
from Allegri.
Environment at Juventus: Toxic and Draining?
00:01:12
Speaker
So now, a lot of reports from very in the know and respected journalists, Romaino Agresti, who is our friend of the show, is one that, you know, Allegri's future now is very, very much
00:01:25
Speaker
at risk. That doesn't mean he's going to go. I wonder if he even wants to continue. That's what I've heard as well, that he's considering leaving Juve as well. He's fed up with this as well. I think this has been an incredible mess all around. I think it's the best for everyone. I honestly agree. I honestly agree. I like Max Allegri and watching him
00:01:48
Speaker
He was mentally, completely drained. He's a strong guy mentally. Actually, if there is one thing that you can say about Allegri, is that he is...
00:01:58
Speaker
mentally, he's strong. Like he doesn't, you know, you can't beat him in, in press conferences, like even if you've got facts, it's like a duck off a water, a duck's back. Like he doesn't affect him. Like he can, he can take it, you know, he can take criticism, he can take the abuse and it doesn't affect him. I want for his sake that he leaves. I think he doesn't deserve this and he's done the best he can in impossible circumstances. And
00:02:23
Speaker
And everyone hates him for it, and he shouldn't be in that toxic environment.
Next Moves for Allegri: Where to Next?
00:02:28
Speaker
And you saw him, he was absolutely exhausted. I think the best thing they can do is for everyone to just mutually terminate, thank Max. His work will always be in the Juventus' history for what he's done, the titles he's won, everything he's done. The first spell, yeah, the first spell. Oh my God.
00:02:51
Speaker
Yeah, and time to leave. It's time to leave. I'm seeing some links here and there, like maybe Napoli, which would be hilarious, or even PSG, and I'm thinking,
00:03:09
Speaker
he deserves. As long as it's not the Italy national team or somebody said. Yeah, I saw Roberto Manchini. There was a link Manchini to Napoli and Allegri to say that would be literally, that would end me because the only real enjoyment, the only real enjoyment I get from watching football now is international football. Club football, you know, I feel, you know, I don't feel the same connection to club football because of the Premier League, because of the way the Premier League has killed every, you know,
00:03:37
Speaker
No, but modern football generally is not a very, like, it's hard to, I mean, I'm with you, I'm not.
00:03:41
Speaker
I mean, we'll still always watch it. We'll still always... But it's not like it was before. We're still always watch it. We're still always paying to watch it. It's football is football. It's like life blood. You can't get rid of it. But international football, I agree. It's when it comes to the emotional enjoyment. Yeah, the connection to it and really supporting and feeling.
Zidane as Allegri's Replacement: A Good Fit?
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And if Allegri's managing Italy, then I'm just... I would love it because that means Italy wins the Euros and they might even win the World Cup.
00:04:07
Speaker
So, you know, they wouldn't concede a goal and they have got the players there. I think Keirza wouldn't like it, maybe. Any of the attackers would like it. So what we'll do now is I want us to look through the options to replace Allegri. And I've gone through and I've picked out using the odds from the bookmakers and also just free
00:04:28
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group of speakers, people and the information I know of who are the possible options to replace Allegri. So we're going to go through. Now, the first is the favorite with the bookmakers right now is still is Zinedine Zidane. So what do you think of Zidane going to Juventus? Do you think that's a good choice? I think it's it'll be a difficult choice because Zidane doesn't have that coaching experience to go to a U of A who's going to start next season on X amount of minus points.
00:04:56
Speaker
meaning they first have to, they have to avoid fighting relegation next season. I'm not sure Zilladine Zidane is the guy to do that. Very, very bluntly put.
00:05:09
Speaker
I'm not sure Zinedine Zidane is the person who you start when you have minus 15, 20. Post all those points could still be given, could be put onto this season. That isn't a guarantee.
Potential Candidates: Who's the Best Fit for Juventus?
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Well, from what I've understood, I'm talking about the salary case now. Those points could be added to this season as well. I think they're going to go next season. The way I see it, that's going on next season. That's their way to avoid.
00:05:35
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complete disaster, because if they do, Juventus could actually end up going down this year. And I don't think the Italian FA wants that. They don't want that. Well, it depends on how much the penalty is for that. If they can add it to this season, I think obviously that's preferable, because otherwise you're basically destroyed. Well, it depends on how much it is. If it's a 30-40 point penalty,
00:05:57
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Yeah, you do the math. It's not a good look. Anyway, my point is simply this, that I think it's going to go next season, and that's why things he's done is not my guy at all here. And I think, to me, isn't Real Madrid or PSG pretty much what everyone is saying? That's what he wants to do. Sit down.
00:06:18
Speaker
No, he hasn't really been linked with many teams at all recently, to be honest. It was going to be the France national team. That job was in the bag for him. And then for some weird reason, I don't know what changed there. Deschamps extended. I don't know what changed there, but it was widely accepted that that was all agreed. So my issue with Sudan is that weirdly for someone who's won so many Champions League as coach, I still feel like I don't really know. Well, that's what I mean.
00:06:42
Speaker
I still don't know if he's any good and I've got, you get that from a lot of people but they all say the same thing. Is Zidane actually a good coach? It's really hard to know. We don't know because it's a lot of uncertainty. He's self-playing piano. It's crazy. The second favourite for the job is Igor Tudor who was at Marseille and was the assistant under Pierlo where the two of them didn't get on at all and ended up playing. Well he did brilliantly at Hellas Verona as well and if you remember I said on this part that I think that
00:07:11
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The two Croatians, Yurich and Tudor, are building two really interesting careers. I wonder if he's ready for Juve, but it would be an interesting, exciting choice. I think Juve are going to go with the next two on the list, one of the next two on the list. And that is Antonio Conte with Orlu Canos Paletti. I think that's more a Juve choice, in my opinion.
00:07:30
Speaker
Antonio Conte returning to Juve once again as the hero after the nuclear bomb has gone off and someone has ruined everything again and he returns to save the club where he was the captain at. He would love that, wouldn't he?
00:07:49
Speaker
Or Luciano Spalletti. See, Conte is the third favourite. You know what you're getting from Conte. But Spalletti, obviously, the presence of Juncelli is why if Juncelli comes and if Spalletti leaves Napoli, which is we're looking like the case right now, then obviously Juncelli is in the perfect position to bring Spalletti with him. Can you just imagine what Vlao, Rich and Kiesa would do in Spalletti's system?
00:08:13
Speaker
Well, you see, out of the four that we've gone through so far, I would go for Spelletti because I think that he's shown throughout his career that he's the perfect coach for rebuilding. He really is. Generally, he has always been a coach that takes you from C to B or D to B.
00:08:32
Speaker
It's so funny. You know what's funny. Never mind. Some coaches take you from one point. You're basically saying some coaches take you from A to B and some from B to C. But yeah, no, I'm with you on that. Obviously, this season he's won the Scudetto, so that's unfair. That's always been used as a stick to beat him with. But he is, especially for big clubs that were once great, that lost their way,
00:08:58
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they needed rebuilding he's done it we've seen what he's done you know he was great at roma you know building them up and then there was obviously what he did with into was fantastic they were complete banter a team and he he helped to take them to be and then obviously concert to get from beta.
00:09:16
Speaker
It's a but you know you need someone to just to get them on the right path building them and even if they don't win the league in the first improving players what are we talking at least you could yeah improving place but at least you can see the progress you can see that what they're building towards something where is.
00:09:34
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which is just something that we haven't got at all from Allegra. You've seen zero progress. You've seen zero, nothing being built at all. You can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. You can't see where they're working towards. With Spelletti, you know you will get that. Even if you don't win anything with him straight away, at least you can see that progress. He'll build something. Even if it's for someone else to win after him, you can accept
Spalletti's Suitability for Juventus
00:09:56
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that. So I would probably, the situation that they're in, I would probably go with Spelletti out of those.
00:10:03
Speaker
I think he deserves it. I think they made a mistake that not having hired Spalletti until now I think was a mistake by Juve, especially given where football is in the world and how it's developed. I think he deserves a chance at Juve.
00:10:21
Speaker
I did read somewhere though, there might be a clause in his contract that he's not allowed to go to a rival or something. I don't know. That would be typical Arellano de la Rentais, wouldn't it? But it depends on, I mean, it depends, you know, all contracts are negotiable at the end of the day. And if, if, if de la Rentais wants to get rid of him, Spaletti's gonna, you know, it's, you know, they'll work it up. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. Let me read through the other options. So, Paladino has come very hot in the last few days. Now for me, there's, I mean, that would be madness. He's not ready. He's not proven. He's done great. Don't do that now.
00:10:51
Speaker
Again, leave these guys alone. For me, that's just another shot in the dark. I mean, it's not as bad as Pierlo. Pierlo literally didn't even have a certificate. He wasn't a coach. He wasn't. He isn't a coach. Did you see him understand in the Copitalia fight? Yeah, all nervous. He was probably supporting Inter, wasn't he? Of course he's not. Of course he wasn't. He never supported Inter.
00:11:16
Speaker
Yeah, well he was a kid, yeah, but then he went to Milan and Europe. I don't know. Yeah, but okay, so Paladino, I think, way too early for that. Now, then you've got Deserbe, who's next in line. Now, I'm pretty certain in my wet dream, I'm pretty certain Deserbe is going to stay at Brighton next season. I just don't, I think that everything that I'm
00:11:37
Speaker
everything that I'm seeing is him. And I think that's the right thing to do as well. Give him a full season in the Premier League. Let him juggle three tournaments. That's a part of a development of any coach's career. Let him have that. Why throw him down the deep end at UofN now?
00:11:54
Speaker
Yeah. For me, there are someone like Luis Enrique or Julian Nagelsmann or next on the list. Those are more interesting. Yeah, Nagelsmann, I mean, you talk about Italian or even the way you talk about the Serbia. I mean, Nagelsmann, I mean, he's suicidal the way that he plays, the way that they play the game.
00:12:10
Speaker
I wouldn't go after him. For me, I wouldn't go after him. I like Luis Enrique. I love Luis Enrique. I think he's the most underrated coach there is out there. I think he's absolutely fantastic. And I think the reason why he didn't win anything with Spain or get further with Spain in the two tournaments is he didn't have any attackers. If he had some top class attackers, if Spain had some top class attackers,
00:12:34
Speaker
I think they beat Italy in that semi-final. They were just blunt up front. They had no one that scored goals. All you need to say is Alvaro Morata. That's all you need to say.
00:12:46
Speaker
Yeah, there's nothing more you need to add to that. I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, talk about bluntness up front. Yeah, look, it's not I like Luis Enrique. We know the thing is with it with with Juventus, we know that they generally go for Italian coaches, don't we? We know that that is is the way they are. Yeah, no, I you know, Italiano is another option. And and then there's Paulo Montero. They want to they want to go super cheap.
00:13:15
Speaker
They were someone that likes nightclubs. Who told us that? I can't remember who told us that. Who do we have on the pod? Well, Moncero is famous for always being in the nightclubs. No, no. Who was it? Marco Negri? No.
00:13:29
Speaker
Or was it Jay Bothra? I can't remember. I can't remember. But yeah, someone who had to say that. But anyway, Monteiro is, you know, he's doing something interesting as a coach, for sure. But we'll see how it goes. But personally, one of Conto's Spalletti for me. Or Luis Enrique. Those are the three I would go with. Yeah. Spalletti, I think, would probably be ideal.
00:13:54
Speaker
just to give some stability with someone that knows the league. And develops players. Someone talks sports. They're not Graham Sooners now, don't they? Knows the league, don't want no foreigner. And Pogba's there as well. There's the connection. So you can hate on him as well when Spaletti's there. But no, in all honesty, in all jokes aside, just the fact that where you've entered SARA as a club in terms of developing players, building on a young core, the talent that they have,
00:14:24
Speaker
Can you, and the design, makeup of the squad that they have? I mean, it's gotta be Spalletti, right? I mean, that's, he's gotta be ideal.
00:14:32
Speaker
I think so. I think for where Juventus are, they're in a rebuild and they're trying to build. I think Spalletti is the best at that. There isn't anyone better. There hasn't been anyone better in the last... Well, Maurizio Sarri, but I think they burnt that bridge, they nuked it, but I think Spalletti for sure. No, Spalletti for me is the one that makes the most sense, honestly. It really does. Yeah, I totally agree.