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The One About Costa Rica
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Join Trish, Woody, and Austin along with Guest host Carlos Alicea as they deep dive into Austin and Carlos’ recent judging gig in Costa Rica
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Introductions and Upcoming Events
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everyone, we are back for another week of exciting rehearsals. This week we are traveling to Costa Rica. We'll also find out what made Austin say. And I'm like, I didn't pack pants. I barely had a collared shirt. I'm like, i I don't know what's going on here. I'm like, I did not. I had no idea this is happening. And why would he said, Everyone can't sell football. I mean, I love football, but I wouldn't trade that rule right now.
00:00:30
Speaker
All this and more, so get out on the field and we will see you back on the sidelines for this week's episode of On A Water Break. i a off the met and go welcome to you on a water
00:00:53
Speaker
time for a water drain Welcome to another episode of season two of on a water break the podcast where we talk about everything You and your friends are talking about at rehearsal on a water break. I'm Trish O'Shea So we are going international this week with talking about some marching arts and Costa Rica One of our hosts is just back and we have a guest guest clinician who was also there So let's see who's on the sidelines this week woody How's everything in percussion lamb woody?
00:01:26
Speaker
Everything in percussion land is going great. you know All right. Marching band, they came out last week. They didn't hurt themselves. They did pretty well. Very excited. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. So, Austin. Hello, hello. Hi. You're the one who went to Costa Rica. Don't tell us everything right now, but how was it?
00:01:50
Speaker
Oh my God, it was fantastic. yeah The people down there were so nice. They were so kind. Everyone was so welcoming. And honestly, the band was pretty good. So you know what, I got to tell you about, I got to tell you that a little bit more later. We can't wait to hear
Carlos Alicia's Journey and Impact
00:02:06
Speaker
all about it. It's a fun, it's a, it was a fun, it's a fun little story I got for you guys later. Okay. Let's bring in our guest, guest clinician, who was also there in Costa Rica, all the way from the Alapueto Rico,
00:02:19
Speaker
It's Carlos Alicia. Hey, hello. Okay, Carlos, just like every other guest clinician, we are going to start with your 32 count life story. So we'll give you eight off the met and then you're going to tell us all about yourself in 32 counts. Are you ready? I'm ready. Okay. Just let me know.
00:02:43
Speaker
Five, six, seven, okay. My name is Carlos and I'm a music teacher in Puerto Rico. I have been involved in DCI teaching as a staff and a member since 2018. I'm doing marching band here in Puerto Rico as an instructor, a drum major, a color guard instructor, and color guard choreographer here in Puerto Rico. Also, I am the founder and the director of Imperial Winter Guard. It's the first indoor and program here in Puerto Rico. Awesome. Yay, I did it.
00:03:12
Speaker
So, Carlos, um tell us about your DCI background. Where did you march? um I marched in 2018 and 19 in Music City, Jogam, D4. Okay. And then um I start teaching in Stuckwind and Medicine Scout in 2021 to, in 2024. Awesome. That's great. Yeah. That's really exciting. So, you learned everything that you know about Covagard as I mean, how did you even want to do DCI? Like, how did you even find out about it? Were you involved in, you know, and in Color Guard in Puerto Rico?
00:03:47
Speaker
So my story about how I learned Cologuard is very inspirational because I started doing Cologuard here in Puerto Rico with a broom, spinning a broom outside my yard, watching videos from spring trunnings, watching video from YouTube, learning tricks, learning choreos and stuff. And then i I met people here in Puerto Rico from Banda School of Guayanija and they gave me the opportunity to meet um I started learning like professional technique in that camp in Westchester University and after that I got the job to be starting DCI.
00:04:26
Speaker
by myself because I i never be in a color guard in a band before. our My whole life, I was a musician. I started playing the violin in 5th grade. So I was growing with the music my whole life and I got started this passion for color guard when I was in middle school and I started living with a broom. and That's amazing. Ten years later, I was doing DCI. I have my winter guard program here in Puerto Rico and I get the OGI. That's incredible.
00:04:56
Speaker
Wow, what a story. Yeah, um I got a lot of fans from Latin America because they never got the opportunity to be on WGI or DCI i and having that person who speaks Spanish and who can spy me on social media, see videos from him. I mean, it's a very good thing for me to spread in social media for Latin people who follow all that passion.
Tribute to Karl Rocco
00:05:21
Speaker
Absolutely.
00:05:24
Speaker
Okay, everybody, it's time for the news.
00:05:43
Speaker
Okay, I'm gonna start it off, um unfortunately, on a sad note. um For those of you who have ever been in the presence of Karl Rocco,
00:05:54
Speaker
um and Sadly, he passed away this week at his home in Florida. He was very involved in the Drum Corps, mainly in the Northeast. um This is a little tidbit I didn't know that he began his involvement in Drum Corps with the Dumont police cadets. I'm actually from Dumont. My mom lives in Dumont still in the same house I grew up in.
00:06:17
Speaker
Um, once I moved from New York City to Dumont, that's how I got involved in drum corps. So, and my instructors were all from the Dumont police cadet. So that was a little tidbit. I didn't know. Um, he started there in 1960 playing the tenor drum. Um, he enjoyed a long,
00:06:33
Speaker
an influential career in this activity. um His resume includes services to Star of Indiana, Crossman, where he was actually the director for a few years, the Jersey Surf, Spirit of Atlanta, and Santa Clara Vanguard. He'd been a longtime member of the Skyliners German Buell Corps. He judged GCI, World Championships three times, DCA. um he's been He has been inducted to the World Trade Corps Hall of Fame, the New Jersey Hall of Fame, the New York Skyliners Hall of Fame,
00:07:03
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the Crossman Hall of Fame and the Reading Buccaneers Hall of Fame. um i have I have two really good personal stories that I'm going to let our good friend Woody jump in. um but During his tenure as director of the Crossman in 92, I had a really good friend that was marching in the horn line in 1992 and 1993.
00:07:28
Speaker
and I was like fangirling all summer with the Crossman that summer. And um I remember being at Allentown at CCI East, and it was back when they used to have the little scoreboard on the front sideline with all the scores. And when Crossman performed, they were when their score went up, they were in first place. But obviously, you know the top three or whatever hadn't gone on yet.
00:07:53
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So I went down to take a picture and he happened to be standing there and I said, well, I want to take the picture while you were in first place. And he was like, you better take it quick. So oh that was a funny story. But, um, we actually reconnected, um, in, in 2020 during COVID, um, when I was asked to um be the color guard instructor for the Skyliner alumni. And this is another funny story. He obviously, um we only had one in-person rehearsal that I was at, but then we started doing stuff. I was making videos and you know sending them to the group and whatever. but
00:08:30
Speaker
um So I was making these videos in my park and maybe I was just a little overzealous and missing color guard so much that maybe I was going a little bit too overboard. So Carl Rocco calls me one day and he says to me, Hey Trish. And I said, yeah, hi Carl. And he said, um, so the women feel like you're making the work too, like you're writing DCI work. And I'm like,
00:08:58
Speaker
Okay. He's like, listen, he's like, you got to tone it down a little bit. And the initial reaction I had was, yeah, okay, whatever. I'm not doing this. Yeah. I don't need this right now. But it was just like, how could you say no to Colorado? He was just such an amazing person. So down to earth. Always. Anytime I walked into a Sky alumni rehearsal and he was there, I had the biggest smile on my face. He always just made you feel good about yourself.
Challenges and Support in Marching Arts
00:09:24
Speaker
And I'm sure what do you have some stories as well?
00:09:27
Speaker
Well, you know, it's funny because, uh, Carl Rocco was, uh, my drum instructor at the black watch and that's, that's why I first met him. And at that time I was sort of, you know, I'm like 16, 17. He was very intimidating, very intimidating. You know, he had a very, very powerful personality and he didn't scream at you, but the way he spoke to you was just so stately.
00:09:58
Speaker
There was no way to argue. You're just like, I'm sorry, sir. And you put your hand down and you walk away. Exactly. But as I got older, our across are our lives crossed paths again at the Jersey Surf. And that's why I got the most information out of them, with show programming and things with writing. you know He really helped me learn how to focus that stuff. So you know I wish there were more people like him that would take younger people underneath their wing.
00:10:39
Speaker
and and show them the little stuff, you know? He was a great guy. Yeah, he really was. We definitely lost a good one. So um I know the family is planning some. I'm sure a lot of the drum courts he was involved in will be planning things and going on. And so keep posted on that. But yeah, we definitely lost a good one. um Austin, what do you have for us?
00:11:06
Speaker
Oh, I got I got a decent one here. Um, so there's a band in the Houston ISD who applied to go to the Sugar Bowl this year. They got accepted. And then the superintendent was like, Nah, you can't. Sorry.
00:11:27
Speaker
ah So, Waltrip High School out of, yeah, Waltrip High School out of Houston ISD. um they They were supposed to go to the Sugar Bowl, but the story does have a happy ending. um Not only did they say no, the mayor of Houston stepped in, the police department stepped in, they said, all right, we can do this. So what the mayor, the mayor pretty much called the PD up and was like, hey, can you, um can you give them a police escort over there?
00:11:58
Speaker
Um, we're getting them to the sugar bowl. I don't care what it takes. It's going to happen. So in true superintendent fashion, the trooper, the superintendent goes, okay, yeah, we can do that instead. So now they're going to go, but now they're going to sugar bowl this year. Oh, that's cool. That's cool. The whole police escort, I think all the way from Houston, they're going all the way out. It's a whole thing. And then, um, let's see what else?
00:12:24
Speaker
They raised all the money. they got the They did everything they needed to do. But then the superintendent shut it down. And then now the and now the mayor was like, no, they're going. Wow. So yeah, that's ah that was a good thing. The local government kind of got involved. And they were like, here we go. It's happening. Oh, well, that's great. Good for those kids. Yeah. over go the sugar ball woody What do you have for us? Oh, Trish. Oh, Austin.
00:12:54
Speaker
This is a doozy. Marching Band goes to the WWE. Oh, yes. The University of Arkansas, ah they are going to play October 5th at the Bad Blood event in Atlanta, Georgia. That's incredible. Oh, man. Can you believe it, ladies and gentlemen? Woo. And, and.
00:13:25
Speaker
earlier this season and it went viral, the University of Arkansas played for the undisputed champ, Cody Rose. Okay. Yes, yes, yes. At the War Memorial Museum. I mean, on the stadium, my bad. And it doesn't end there. ah they've They've done things like Showtime at the Apollo and things like that.
00:13:53
Speaker
but They are no stranger to the you know the spotlight. that This is their thing. And they're very excited because it's going to be ah broadcast on Peacock. Believe that. IBM Central Time. Yes. Marching Band at the WWE. I love it. I hope no one gets crossed it. I love it. Austin, you got another one for us?
00:14:24
Speaker
I do, and it's kind of and it's I hate ending on a sad note, but but we kind of have to. So um there's a rural band in Texas, a tiny, tiny town, Valley View High School band. um They unfortunately had a pretty bad tornado back in May. Oh gosh. And they ended up they ended up losing one of their, it was like an EF3 tornado. They ended up losing one of their um they're marching band members.
00:14:55
Speaker
oh I know, I know. The girl's name was Miranda Esperanza and um she was described as quote, the life of the Sousaphone section. So they took a pretty big hit from a tornado. She ended up passing away. And ah the band director was like, hey, like we're gonna honor her memory.
00:15:18
Speaker
But i want I want the band to be a completely safe space for the rest of those students as as they grieve and as they mourn. So she's dying so she's kept everything in her office, like deodorant face wipes, um other like other toiletries and um ah feminine needs as well. And they um they started to go fund me to make a trip. They started to go fund me for a trip.
00:15:48
Speaker
she'd want to place a financial because like all these parents say they lost they lost a lot of stuff in this town and they um looks like they're trying to go down to it looks like they're trying to go down to houston to attend or no they did that already and they want to they want to check out they want to see if see how much money they can raise through a go fund me and it has a lot of money it has a lot of money one excuse go fromies ranne If you can hit it, if you can hit it, man, maybe we should have a water break. Yeah, we should drop, we should drop the link in the show notes for sure. We'll have one for the Puerto Rican, Puerto
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Yeah. Absolutely. So one more thing, one more news item that you guys could be on the lookout for is that an interview that will be coming our way that Steven and Joey did with marching vlogs. So look for that coming soon. That sounds like it's a real, real good one. So I'm looking forward to that. but Yeah. don't let' be fun Okay. It's time to work on those changes for the opener again.
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Judging Costa Rican Music Festival
00:18:30
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And we are back. So Austin, you and Carlos just got back from Costa Rica. Tell us well about it. Yes, we did. It was, um, it was a phenomenal weekend. Uh, we went, so we're recording this episode late September. Um, we went in the beginning of September. Um, if I'm not mistaken, it was the weekend of the hang on. I'm pulling my calendar up.
00:18:57
Speaker
Let's see. i think It was the looks like it was the weekend of the 7th, 8th. Okay. it was It was such a great time. um we went so we both have Carlos and I both have a mutual friend. His name is ah Daniel Espinoza. Okay. um Daniel Espinoza was one of my students at the Troopers in 2021. Carlos, how do you know Daniel?
00:19:20
Speaker
It was so great to meet Daniel. I was teaching in Madison Scout, 2021. I was in the color guard. And then I know, because I have one of my students from winter guard from Puerto Rico, he was marching Madison Scout. And then I saw them in Instagram that they're going to be in the ritual season for DCI. i And I was like, oh, I need to meet that guy from Costa Rica because I have them in my social media. Let's take a picture with the Costa Rica flag and Puerto Rican flag in front of the stadium.
00:19:47
Speaker
And then I meet him with the other people from Costa Rica, who was marching in troopers and we made friends. That's amazing. Yeah. And that's the, but and honestly, that's the best part about drum corps, especially in the season of 2021. Like all the camaraderie that comes through it now, like it and it didn't used to be like that when you were marching trash. It was like up to themselves, right? Right.
00:20:10
Speaker
now with like social media and everything, everyone just kind of, everyone's kind of friends with each other. And honestly, I think it's a little bit better that way. That's just me. But 2021 was a special season for sure. I mean, I went to Allentown and it was just so great to have, to be back doing the activity and seeing people again. I mean, some of us hadn't seen anybody other than like family and neighbors at that point. And you know, here we are back back at it and it was just,
00:20:40
Speaker
non-competitive and it was a whole bunch of fun to watch. Yeah. and So going down to Costa Rica, I kind of i wasn't sure what what was going to be going on down there. I thought it was going to be because the way Daniel approached um ah daniel approached me with everything was you're doing auditions for a festival. So in my head, think it my American brain turns on here's auditions, I think something like Drum Corps auditions. So I'm gonna go sit in front of a band and do and and do individual auditions over the course of a weekend. So I'm like, okay, that's fine. What do you want me to do? And then he's like, judge de fat and judge these auditions. And I go, okay, sure. I get down there.
00:21:32
Speaker
And I find out that not only are we, not only are we judging like a national competition, we are judging 21 separate marching bands from the entire country of Costa Rica.
00:21:49
Speaker
and i go whoa whoa whoa whoa who who what um
00:21:55
Speaker
And I'm like, how did I end up here? And then next thing we know the entire government of like the city government of San Jose paid for all of our trips. Wow. It was a whole thing. Yeah. Wow. So instead of auditioning individuals, you were auditioning groups to be in this festival. Correct. Correct. It's like a preliminary finals type thing, but preliminary prelims are in September and finals are in December.
00:22:25
Speaker
Wow. So it was our job to choose. So there were 13 bands that got accepted into the festival. Festival de la Luz is the festival of light in Costa Rica. It's a big it's a big thing right before Christmas. Carlos, do you know I'm sure you know a little bit more about it. Oh yeah. Lay it on me.
00:22:46
Speaker
yeah When Daniel came to me as Austin, give me the invitation to go to Costa Rica. I was like, okay, this is going to be my first time like hearing the music from Costa Rica, judging the music and the color guard. But when I get there, I was thinking about the same Austin because they told me, like you're going to be evaluating auditions, you're going to be a judge for auditions. and I was like, okay, I'm going to be evaluating the color guard in Costa Rica.
00:23:15
Speaker
And when I get there, I saw a good and very, very good progress in the color guard in Costa Rica, because Costa Rica was made um the WGI in 2017 and 18. And for the first time, they made a WGI in Latin America. So I was expecting to see a very good progress in Costa Rica for now in 2024.
00:23:39
Speaker
I was planning to go to Costa Rica in 2019 with my winter guard. But, you know, COVID-19 season came here in the entire world. So I canceled my entire trip. So I was in my top list. I was like, I want to go to Costa Rica for March in many days or be a judge for Color Guard or just bring Color Guard clinics. But when I get there,
00:23:59
Speaker
to be a judge for the color guard. Oh my god, there was a lot and a good progress in the color guard. I was very impressed. And when I saw them, like they had to do like a parade before the audition. So you have to make a judge for the parade inside the stadium. You have to evaluate them, record your voice um comments so they can hear you from my parents.
00:24:22
Speaker
They're going to have my comments and my judging strictings for my voice recording Spanish. So that's a good thing for them. So they don't have to translate them because I know the Chinese color guys. I was just about to ask if you did it in Spanish. I was just about to ask.
00:24:38
Speaker
they think They think about me because they told me, hey Carlos, we were thinking about to bring someone month from outside of Costa Rica to judge the color guard. But thinking about you, you are the only one in Latin America who has been Spanish, very fluent. You know about the color guard. You march in DCI and you did WGI. So you are the perfect person to be a judge in Costa Rica for this huge event. And you know what? This event in Costa Rica, Festival de la Luz,
00:25:07
Speaker
yeah you know the laugh They're looking at that in Latin America, like the Rose Parade, okay because because for them in Latin America to go to the Rose Parade is a huge process to have the visa and to have the staff to be international and travel outside from the Latin America to go to the Rose Parade.
00:25:27
Speaker
but But this event in Costa Rica is a huge step for them because it's in Latin America. They just can take a bus and drive so many hours and be there and they don't have to have a visa to go to Costa Rica. You know what I'm saying?
00:25:42
Speaker
So I was very happy to be there with Austin, with other people in being the judge. Also, the governor and the municipal, they help us with the trip, like Austin says. They are very good, very humble. That was a good experience.
00:26:00
Speaker
yeah so the um the marching bands themselves down there we had like coming in i hadn't seen it i seen like one video from something in february and i think it had maybe eight pixels total so i didn't even know what i was looking at oh gosh at the time so i saw one video i'm like all right this is cool it was like a parade from a couple years ago for one of the bands and i It was back in February, I don't really know. So I'm going into this thing completely blind. I don't know what look, I don't know what the Costa Rican definition of like good or bad is. And there were a couple other, there were a couple other people there too from from um from America. And it was it was um Tim Snyder, Mary Duricop, both from the troopers, they were there as well.
00:26:49
Speaker
um So we were having a conversation the night before we're like what do we expect Like what's good? What's gonna be good? What's gonna be bad? Where do we start? How do we scale this? Like what numbers do we put down? What's going on? So we show up in the morning and It was Saturday morning. It's like 8 o'clock in the morning. We roll up to I'm not even kidding you and Yeah, no, it was, it was too early for me, but they're in mountain time. So it was really like 10 o'clock Eastern kind of worked out. Um, but so we roll up to the Costa Rican national football stadium, like their national soccer stadium. It was a whole thing. And we're like, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. How do we get it? And I'm, we walk in and I'm like, how did I get here? It just happened.
00:27:37
Speaker
Like because I went from not having a plane ticket a week ago to I'm about to judge like pretty much every single marching band in the country of Costa Rica. I'm like, how did I get here? And that's that was like my motto for the entire weekend. It was the whole thing.
00:27:53
Speaker
And so we get there and how the process worked. Carlos kind of talked about it a little bit, but what happened that gave us the rundown. They're like, Hey, here's what's going to happen. You're judging not one, but two things. These shows are going to take probably about 20 minutes total each. um They split it up over the course of, they split it up over the course of two days. We did 11 bands on Saturday, 10 bands on Sunday. Um, we had to choose, thirteen we had to choose 13 to go to the festival in December.
00:28:24
Speaker
Um, so we just, I was just right. We were writing numbers down. So the first thing that they do is they start in the left side of the stadium. So like, think about Lucas oil, like everyone who's listening, put Lucas, ah the picture Lucas oil in your head. You're sitting in two 40, four 40, wherever you are. They're coming in the front left entrance.
00:28:44
Speaker
just like Coors would, like the Pitts would, and they're going out, and they're pretty much going out the right, the front right entrance, kind of the way the Coors exit as well. It's the exact same thing, but what they're doing is it's on a track.
00:28:59
Speaker
Like the, the sock, like the, there we're not on the grass. There's like a lot of space between the soccer field and the stands and there's a track. And then there's a little bit more green concrete there as well. So they lined like the green concrete and the track to kind of look like a football field in a way. Okay. And it was very, it was smaller than a football field. It was probably bigger than a WGI floor. I want to say it's probably about the size of the sound sport floor. Maybe, maybe a little bit bigger.
00:29:27
Speaker
Um, but the first thing they do is they do a parade and they're, cause that's like, that's the, that the festival data lose the important, like the most important part of that whole thing, the whole culture behind it is the parades. Okay. That's a parades are a massive thing in Latin American culture.
00:29:46
Speaker
like all across Latin America. It's a huge thing. And so we're auditioning these bands. So we have to look at the parade and then we, and then what they'll do is they'll finish their parade. They'll turn around, they'll walk back and they'll set up for their field show. Wow. And then they do their field show and then they're done. It probably took about 20 minutes total for, for everything for each band. It was a really, really cool experience. And some of these bands were like, holy cow. Some of these bands are really good. wow Like someone were like, whoa, this is like,
00:30:14
Speaker
what's going on I mean and some of them some of them like you could tell that they were newer you could tell that they like didn't quite they had an understanding but they just needed to keep refining it and keep going with it and but there was there wasn't a band that I sat there and I was just like oh my god there was not a band that I sat there and it was like this is like unsalvageable there's no way why I was thoroughly impressed from top to bottom and the range yeah where like little Did you see like a little DCI you know influence in these groups or they're kind of doing their own thing? or Yes. Carlos, there were there was a huge wide there was a there was a really wide variety of shows.
00:31:01
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Oh, yes. It was a lot. For my perspective, um I would say this is the first time for them to have a very organized event in Costa Rica. like They were following the schedule like very, very sharp, and they were warming up and waiting. like This CI, they're doing this CI in Costa Rica. But for them,
00:31:25
Speaker
um For them, like following the schedule on chart, it was like, hey, we need to move, or we're going to lose points because the um the rubrics, they have points, if you're going late, they're going to discount points of that. So they are following the the the schedule very short.
00:31:41
Speaker
wow so That was very good for them in Costa Rica. um The second thing, what I was very impressed, it was the parade. They used the music, um the culture from Costa Rica, ah and the music from Costa Rica using in that parade to let us know, like this is all music, this is our style, this is our culture in Costa Rica. That was a very good thing for them to show us, like a Josh. And I was very happy to see that enjoyment in the parade because you can see the dress, like huge dresses for the dance. That was very colorful. I mean, that was a great experience for me. And they have very huge bands in Costa Rica, like huge. They was traveling. I know one band was traveling like 12 hours just to be there Saturday for the day. And there was like the number five on the list.
00:32:31
Speaker
And they were traveling from 12 p.m., I mean, 12 a.m., and they get there like 7.30 to warm up like 20 minutes or 30 minutes. Oh, my gosh. They left like four. Yeah, there was one of the bands who qualified for the December for the parade. I think it was. Who was it? Yeah, the white was the Acosta, Bandamosipa and Acosta. The Acosta, that's who it was? That was the white with the purple and yellow.
00:33:01
Speaker
Yes, yeah, they were really good. I remember them being real. The Big Tobin show, Big Tobin. I can't remember what that was. So was that one of the shows that really stood out to you or was there another one that you were really oh yeah is there and the other one that you were really passionate about too?
00:33:19
Speaker
Yeah, they're using UDB in Costa Rica for the first time as well. Really? Yes. And they're using all this technology to project and using design shows over there. So I was very impressed. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah.
00:33:35
Speaker
And the thing about the show down there, it was such a wide variety of like the show itself. Like some of them were very court like there were a couple that were very, very core style and had a storyline. And they were like, it was very like Americanized in a way.
00:33:51
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Oh, yeah. They're using the Latin style and the American style together. Exactly. so They can use like um the basic thing for American style for the show, but they have you know the flavor Latin flavor a little bit. I love that. Because we have this little bit of the shows. Right.
00:34:10
Speaker
But the way I saw these special bands like Banda Muisipas San Jose, Banda La La Banda Muisipas de Acosta, and um um Don Bosco, they are four or five bands. Wow, they are very huge. And they make a very good program in Costa Rica in that show. Wow, that was on fire. Absolutely, yeah. And some of them were, I mean, they were They were awesome. like and But there were some other shows that were very, very show style and very like stand and in play. but the But the one constant from every single band is that they were freaking loud. yeah Really? They were so, it was crazy.
00:34:57
Speaker
I was very impressed because not only for the performance, but I mean, directors, ah um they have women on directors like directing a whole band. Wow, that woman, I take off my head. I'm very proud that girl is directing a whole band. yeah Wow. um I forget to say for this event, they only have to choose 11 bands.
00:35:21
Speaker
because two bands, they're gonna have the spot already for December. For example, the band who won the last year in the festival and the band who was the homecoming band from the San Jose, that band is going to be like always the band inside the festival. So just imagine judging 21 marching bands just to choose 11.
00:35:46
Speaker
Yeah. It was tough. like It was really, really tough. It was very tough. It was. you know out numbers like We were For me, i was just it was very blind. We were like, all right, let's just go write down numbers and see what happens.
Cultural Insights and Comparisons
00:36:00
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We specifically, the like the American judges, there were three there are three of us. We specifically requested that we kept our sheets for the first three or four performances for the first for the first day because we didn't have a frame of reference. Right.
00:36:15
Speaker
And Carlos, I'm sure you did the exact same thing, right? Oh, yes, I did. We didn't have a frame of reference. We had no clue. No, we had no clue what's bad. San Jose went first. They went um twice over the course of the week. They went twice over the course of the weekend. They went twice because they were hosting the whole event and they wanted and they were very core style. They were awesome. Daniel, as Daniel, the guy I was talking about a little bit earlier, Carlos is a mutual friend. He actually helps with that band.
00:36:45
Speaker
Okay. ah But he also works for the government of like the government of the city of San Jose. Wow. And he's in the cultural he's like, I guess the best way to put it is he's in like a cultural affairs program. Wow. So he did cultural is Yeah, he's he works for the ah like look they have a like a minister of culture or something and they and he works to the office of the minister of culture and so He does that and that's his day job and then on the side He'll teach the band and then so he was the one putting this whole thing together as a whole thing and we did get to change our numbers we kept our like we were The one thing for me when I was judging I was like we have I'm gonna try to be as constant with my numbers as I possibly can
00:37:27
Speaker
Oh yeah. I wrote little notes for the first three or four. I'm like, right. This is, this is what I want. This is what I want. This is what I want. This is what I want. And then I kind of saw them and I i would adjust here and there, but I wouldn't write down my final number until like the first four or five bands went through. I'm like, that's the final number. That's the final number. That's the, and then I pan them off. Here we go. Boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:37:45
Speaker
Yeah, about that, I don't know if you remember that I was saying when Daniel and Eric told us about the score sheet, it's going to be the first time for them to have like a very professional score sheet for the first time in a, in a venue in Costa Rica for marching band.
00:38:02
Speaker
and they were like, oh wow, so how is it going to be, I mean, how is it going to award this score sheet for them? I mean, how is the minimum points and fall um what is the most highest point in the score sheet? And they told like 65 is going to be like maybe like a Yeah. just um like We set a floor, we're like, there's a floor here. We don't know what a we don't know what a good number is versus a bad number. so we set So we set a pretty even floor and then we're like, all right, let's just range it from here to here and see how we feel about everything.
00:38:33
Speaker
and the one thing ah The one thing that was sort of flat i mean sort of lacking within um within a lot of the bands, I mean, I'm a visual guy. I was judging visual down there. A lot of it was there was a lot of lack of visual training down there. Okay. And so a lot of my comments were like, hey, let's start to look let's start to incorporate like Let's start to incorporate like dance classes, like with everyone. That was my biggest thing, like with the horn line. The second that you teach them how to move, and that was that was my... I made this comment on almost every single tape, if not every single tape. Get them into dance class, get them to understand that... Get them to understand how to move their body so that you can push them to do more.
00:39:26
Speaker
right That was the biggest, that was my biggest thing. the more that we The more that we get them to understand their body and the more we focus on visual training, the better off you're gonna be. These bands, they don't rehearse that much. No, on the Sunday. They only rehearse on the weekends, Sundays. Oh, wow. yeah what will hurt It's like a one day Sunday, that's it. That's all they do. Like 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. or 5. Also, I was i was um following the the thing, what Austin said about visual.
00:39:54
Speaker
it happened to me in the color guard. For example, I have color guards in drills, like there was only on the sides or in the back or in the front, but there wasn't like having like this match or, you know, like being inside the band or being more flexible or flowerless yeah inside the band. So I was given like that tips or comments like hey maybe in December you can work on these rails and you can have some idea some tricks inside the choreo because they was like repeating the choreo like like sequins inside the music show and I was telling like hey maybe you can do some floor sequins
00:40:34
Speaker
movement of the body or using tricks or solids in this part like give them tips and comments so they can apply that for the next time we can see them so we can see more progress for the comments and especially my Spanish comments inside in the show like the voice recording so they can understand about the hand placement the technique the all the tasks technique inside the toaster also we I judge some color guard. They don't have the training inside of the band. I mean, how to take a flag. So I give them like, hey, I make a book from a spring tronic. I translate the whole thing in Spanish so you can buy them and and this decide if you have any question, just contact me and I can send you all the info you need to grow up like a color guard inside the band. So all of these kind of things to help them grow because they don't have the resources. Some of the band don't have the resources. They don't have the economy situation.
00:41:28
Speaker
Like, depending on what I told you, they traveled the whole night just to be there. And I think they told me in the town where they live, people get united together to give them the uniforms, like, to make the uniforms and stuff.
00:41:41
Speaker
Uh-huh. It's very community focused down there. That's the way they do it. Yeah. Like you'll see the names of the bandits. Banda Comunial, they insert city name here. Their community names. Okay. Most of them are. Yeah. They're not, like some of them are affiliated with high schools and like the, like high school, their version of high school down there and everything. Okay. Most of them are community type bands. Yeah. we Municipal from eight years to 50 years. Uh-huh. Oh, wow.
00:42:07
Speaker
Uh-huh. Well, you'll have to try to get us, you'll try to have to get us those group names so that we'll- Oh, I can, we can get those pretty, I can get those pretty easy. Oh yeah, I have, I have some of them, yeah. Yeah, I've got them all recording. So let me ask you guys a question. Do you think you made, do you think you made the right decision in the end? Do you think the right groups? Yes, we do. However, there was a bit of a score mishap in the very end that we didn't- Oh yes, I remember that one. Oh my. Yes, it did happen. So, wasn't our fault.
00:42:37
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Yeah, it was a bad spreadsheet. Because what happened was, yeah, so what happened was, we went down on the field and like, they but i don't know why it was on Sunday, they brought us down on the field. They're like, here are the judges. And we're like, wait, what? We're in this whole crowd of like 7000 people stands up. They're like, thank you so much for coming out. That's a whole thing.
00:42:59
Speaker
And we're like, what is going on? And laura like usually in America, the judge is going to like run out of there and fear their guests. You're going to get like rotten eggs thrown at them or something, you know? Right. Down there, they're like, thank you so much. This was incredible. Thank you so much for making these things. Thank you so much for commenting on everything. It was a whole thing. But the white decisions were made, except for the spreadsheets. So they announced all the names, and we're like, and then we and then like we kind of started thinking about it. We're like, where was La Fortuna?
00:43:28
Speaker
Yeah, what is the band? um And I was we were all looking at each other like I had them up They were higher. They were definitely up there I'm not gonna say they were like in first, but they were they were definitely not that low. There's no way i think We I think we came to a consensus because we didn't know our numbers Like we obviously we didn't talk about our numbers or anything. We just kind of we just kind of We're passing this four sheets to the sides. Mm-hmm. And then so were like, they were we had them up. I had them up. Did you have them up? Yeah, I had them up. Where were they? I didn't hear them. I'm surprised they're not there. And then that and then they came over and they told us they're like, hey. So the spreadsheet messed up. And they got a negative 36. They got a negative 36. And we're like, wait, what? That's not right.
00:44:23
Speaker
Yeah, I was like, I was using the color guard. What happened? I was using the color guard. I don't know. I do not know to this day what happened. Oh gosh. We think it was just a, like my best, my literal best guess is it was a bug in the spreadsheet. So what they did is they came back. Um, they came back at night, like we were in our hotel, we were just hanging out and they're like, Hey, can you come down and just have like a final meeting? Like just sign all these score sheets, like make sure the handwriting looks good on these, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, all right, cool.
00:44:52
Speaker
And they're like, so we ended up putting La Fortuna in, there's gonna be 14 bands in the festival now. Oh yeah, for the first time. well but Because they announced all 13, they announced all 11 that we picked, the two that were in were obviously in, so they announced them. And then we're like, where's La Fortuna? And then they're like, all right, we contacted La Fortuna, they're gonna be in, we made an exception, it's gonna be 14 because of the score mishap. We're not kicking out whoever was supposed to be there because we already announced it. So they're putting 14 in. yeah And we're supposed to go back there in December.
00:45:19
Speaker
oh yeah like september thirteen I'm so excited. That's amazing. Here's the craziest part of this entire thing. So Saturday night, they're like, hey, you have dinner with the mayor of San Jose, Costa Rica. And we go, wait, what? Oh, yes. You go, wait, what?
00:45:35
Speaker
time about what's going on here and i get fancy c and and get all the um my share Uh-huh, and I'm like I didn't pack pants. I barely have a collared shirt I'm like, I i don't know what's going on here. and I'm like I did not I had no idea this is happening i'm like i've got she i've got like a polo shirt and t-shirt that's all i got it's all i'm working with my gosh and i understand often because i still remember daniel contacted me like two days before the day like hey i got your flight ticket
00:46:09
Speaker
and I was like, is this happening right now? Is this real? like I'm going to Costa Rica because you didn't told me about the flight ticket. I was like, yeah, I got the flight ticket and I got the whole hotel. I was like, oh my, I didn't pack anything. I didn't buy a cloud. What am I going to do?
00:46:27
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Well, it sounds like you guys had an amazing, amazing experience there and thank you for sharing it with us. Um, so we're going to take a break. We're going to use our phones for something other than UDB for a moment and we'll take a commercial break and we'll be back with what are we doing? and
00:46:55
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00:47:11
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00:47:57
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We are back and it is time for What are we doing? What are we doing?
00:48:11
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what are we doing Austin, what are we doing? Okay, we're tying this into we're tying this into Costa Rica. Well, I've got two really, but um i'll do I'll do the lighthearted one since i'm since I am in fact Florida man. What are we doing having a hurricane the first week of freaking marching band season in Florida? What are we doing? I hate it. It happens every year. Oh, freaking year.
00:48:38
Speaker
This happens every time. It never fails. But Florida, that's how we that's how we do things. We're so used to it at this point, but to my second, what are we doing? um What are we doing not not having more, I guess the best way to put it is government support for the arts in America.
00:49:04
Speaker
cost let me let me I didn't get to talk about this a little bit earlier, but in Costa Rica, um the city government of San Jose got to, they organized the whole thing. Like this whole festival, they organized the whole thing. they have it was I was talking about how Daniel was involved with the fe the the ministry of the like the ministry of culture and everything, and they set this whole thing up, and they got us down there. But here's one thing that was not mentioned.
00:49:33
Speaker
On Saturday, they did a Facebook live stream of the competition. Oh, wow. got ah Got a measly 180,000 views. That's great. Here's the kicker. A measly, yeah. A measly. No, no, no. It's going to sound measly compared to what I'm about to say. On Sunday, they put it on national television.
00:49:58
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ah Two point five million people tuned in and watched these bands.
00:50:08
Speaker
right Where was I? There are five point five million people in this country. So half the country literally watched this. Wow. Wow. That's right. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. We're taking over. We're taking over. It's happening. him Yes. What are we doing in America by not helping fund the arts appropriately so that these kids can have the opportunities that these Costa Rican kids are having?
Challenges in Music Education and Critiques
00:50:41
Speaker
Exactly. You know, it's funny. they' sat it They're setting the standard there. They really are. I was just talking to somebody about that how it's amazing how, you know, districted District of this
00:50:55
Speaker
Cut the art, just cut the art. That's it. Sorry. so I mean, what don we yeah. I agree with you. I mean, we are biased to the arts, but still, I mean, you know, like everyone can't throw a football. I mean, I love football, but I wouldn't trade that for my art. So Woody, while we're on the topic, what are we doing?
00:51:26
Speaker
Well, you know, since Austin broke it up in the two, I think I'll take that same path. First off, what are we doing in Springfield? Oh, I don't like to eat dogs and cats. And I can't get away from it. I hear it every day. What are we doing? What are we doing? That's my serious point.
00:51:52
Speaker
And then my other one is, you know, I've been helping a lot of people. ah Finale, a music software program is going to funk and ah all of these writers have to decide where they're going to now start to do their work in. Sibelius or this new program, Dorico. I chose Dorico a while ago. But what's really crazy about it is Finale made the announcement and they hooked up something so that um Dorico, they could get a massive discount with Dorico. OK, great. About a week later,
00:52:38
Speaker
Apple makes an announcement. If you upgrade to the newest operation system, it will no longer support your finale program that you are presently using, period. What are we doing? How's it going to work? So now people are just, you know, they're going crazy because you're like, what, how am I going to handle this? And it's a new program. And I,
00:53:08
Speaker
the world The music world for ah composers right now is on its head. That's drum corps too, drum corps and marching band. So I don't think it's just... windning Silver lining for the um for the music writers out there, or at least for the marching band music writers, at least it happened when it did.
00:53:34
Speaker
I've seen a lot of music arrangers are like, I am so glad this happened in September. It's my slower season. My music is done. I'm glad it happened in the beginning of September and late August. Yeah. It happened in March, February, March, April.
00:53:49
Speaker
ah marching band in the country. It would have been a lot worse. Marching band, it would have been like our own personal pandemic. It would have been. Straight up. That's exactly what would have happened. No, no music because finale is sick. Finale blew a coal across all of United States.
00:54:13
Speaker
It's amazing. Okay, it is. Okay, Carlos, you ready? What are we doing? So what are we doing in Puerto Rico with the fine arts and the music and the winter guard programs? So let me tell you, um I'm a music educator. I have four graders and five grader kids in the program, the music program in Puerto Rico, and I want them to play instruments like woodwinds, brass, percussion, you know what I mean? Like a whole band, like a concert band in school.
00:54:45
Speaker
We don't have support in Costa Rica. I was in Costa Rica and I saw the government giving that influence for the band, making the television so people in Costa Rica, they saw the talent, they can share the talent in television. So it's not happening in Puerto Rico. Let me tell you.
00:55:05
Speaker
I have these skittles in my school. They don't have money. They have an economic situation. I make letters. I make all the stuff. Sales to buy instruments. And nothing happens for the politicians here.
00:55:21
Speaker
I have to do all that for myself. For the bands, it happens all the same. For the winter guard program, we don't have support for anything, so I have to do everything for myself and for the parents that are making sales out there to have or equipment to have or materials and to grow up like as a team, as a band. You know what I'm saying?
00:55:42
Speaker
i I feel kind of sad for that because I saw my kids every single day in my classroom and they want to grow up and they want to to to learn music, how to play an instrument, how to be a professional in the future, how to inspire all the people in the school to be a music, you know, to play music.
00:56:00
Speaker
and uh i just like hey we're going to do this and this and this and we're not going to worry about the politicians because these people are not going to help anybody so let's go and for ourselves make all this happen i know you're saying you feel so sad but you should feel so proud of yourself for doing for doing what you do oh sure thank you thank you my what are we doing is Has anybody heard that critiques are now called meet and greets? It was our home show this past weekend and
00:56:41
Speaker
My band director and another staff member was standing there and the other staff member has ah judged the US band show the week before. And then they were like, well, okay, so that's going to be the food over here and that's going to be the food for the meet and greet. I was like, okay, where's the critique? They're like the meet and greet. I was like, what are you talking about? They're like, yeah, cri it's not called critique anymore. It's it's now called meet and greet.
00:57:07
Speaker
that's it That's a US ban state. I guess, I guess it's, is it because critique has like a critical connotation? I'm not sure, but it's silly. It's just whatever. What? Is that why? am what That's so odd. It's called a meat ban. I don't know why they do it, i but I know that. have I'm not familiar with US bans. Have they always done that? No.
00:57:36
Speaker
It's been a crazy. <unk> not relatively new because they used to do just right you know i have It's still a critique. It's the format same format, yes. It's almost like Tricia said like the politically correct way to say critique now.
00:57:58
Speaker
So it's not so, how can I say, analytical.
Personal Stories and Podcast Closing
00:58:03
Speaker
So you can come in as the band director and and meet and greet and feel comfortable talking to the people. you know There is a sense of, not tension, but but especially with so many new instructors and stuff, they place the judges on a shelf that they seem unattake unattainable. This is a great way to kind of knock that wall down. Somebody just asked the question, do you pay $10 for a selfie at the meet and greet? Anyway. Do I have to get an autograph at the meet and greet from all the judges? Is that how this works? It's just silly, anyway. I don't know. Great job, everyone. Set your equipment down. Done and go.
00:58:52
Speaker
Okay, gushing go. Austin, what are you gushing about this week? Oh, goodness. um i'm ah I'm always on the move, as you guys know. where' Where's Austin going next? This is going to be a segment on this podcast. I swear it's going to be a segment soon. um I'm going back to Hawaii. Yes. Yeah, I'm going back.
00:59:17
Speaker
Uh, they called me and they're like, Hey, can you, they're like, Hey, we have the money. Do you want to come out? And I was like, yes, please. I would love that. amazing you know when Yeah. October 5th. Um, so in a couple in like 10 days or so, I'm excited. I'm, I'm, I think in the next two weeks from Friday. So like, I'm going to be home for four or five days total.
00:59:45
Speaker
Hey Trish, guess what? Let me move it. What's that? Are you guys going to be going now, Woody? He won't be going to any meet and greets. ah i Nope. Nope. I'm good. I'm just teaching camps. I'm doing a consult. I'm teaching camps. That's all I'm doing. We're having a great time and we beat a lot of fish and a lot of rice and I'm going to be very happy because I don't have to talk to a judge at all. That's great. No meet and greets for you.
01:00:10
Speaker
Let me know if they need help in the color guard. I'll be there. what do What are you questioning going about? I tell you what, I didn't have a true one until I just thought about it. You know, on my way out of the rehearsal tonight, Indoor Drumline and Color Guard just really officially started. I'm like, we're not even finished the show yet. And we're already planning for Indoor coming up i'm like oh my goodness yeah am i getting that old cause i don't ever remember it just jumpping on me
01:00:44
Speaker
but and i guess a wonderful time of the year what he Yeah, I was deep in it, you know, teaching. Yeah, I was already planning for my winter drumline season. But now that i I'm just the, I guess, administrator, I'm like, why are we talking about indoor already? My goodness. But it's that time. It's true. It's true, because we're so in it with marching band now. I totally feel you on that level.
01:01:13
Speaker
I get it. Carlos, what are you gushing and going about? Hey, so um this week I make something new steps in my whole life. um I was doing in my school band when I was working as a drum major. Now I'm part of the teamwork. I'm now the instructor and design team and visual for the band. So that's a huge step for me inside the program. Now I'm going to be concentrated working on that stuff for the band so the band can grow up.
01:01:45
Speaker
in those levels. Also, I'm very proud of myself because ah this week as well, I was doing my first time choreography for my Winter Guard program. So in the past, I never started with the choreography on this month, September. September, in the past year, I was like focusing on technique and dance stuff across the floor. But for the first time in my program, I was like, yeah let's start with the choreo and let's start with this and this and this.
01:02:12
Speaker
So yeah, I'm making progress this season. Well, my gosh, it go is, um, so we had a football game on set on Friday night at Ramapo high school in New Jersey, which is, um, a regional high school where, um, kids who live in a certain town called Franklin lakes, New Jersey go to Franklin lakes is a big hot bed of the real housewives of New Jersey.
01:02:43
Speaker
So for those of you who are Real Housewives of New Jersey fans, as I am, ah Melissa and Joe Gorga's son plays football for Ramapo. So we get off the bus, I bring the color guard off the bus, I turn around to look at the guard, and standing right there is Joe Gorga.
01:03:03
Speaker
And I said, oh, Gorga. And he said, hey, how are you? And he said, you know, you know, he said, you know, who are you? And I said, oh, I said, I'm the Colgard director for Know the Valley of Japan. And he said, OK. I said, can I get a selfie? Right behind him came Melissa, star of Real Housewives of New Jersey. So we took a selfie. They were legitimately there just to be football parents.
01:03:29
Speaker
Joe was flipping burgers at the outside the concession stand and she was inside selling hot dogs and pretzels and M&Ms. I swear to God, they were there as football parents. He was flipping burgers. So no housewives drama, just football parents? No, they were there as football parents. I love that. I really do. Yeah. You know, it is refreshing to see people who are involved in that kind of thing.
01:03:56
Speaker
like to be normal people. Yeah, we're all normal people. Absolutely. And to go back to the judges, we're all normal people. They're just normal people. Right. Right. All they do is go down and write a number. Exactly. Most people they just get in they get in front of a camera and they film a TV show. That's all they do. Right. But at the end of the day, we're all just people. We're all just people. That's it. Well, it's called gush and go. not gush and stay Let's go. All right. All right.
01:04:28
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yeah yeah Well, people, thanks for a great rehearsal this week. Thanks to our hosts, Woody. Austin, and thank you to our guest clinician, Carlos. Carlos, where can we find you on social media if people want to reach out to you? Oh, you can find me on in Instagram, like CarSachsLisea, like C-A-R-S-A-I-L-I-C-E-A, CarSachsLisea. You can find me, Carlos Alisa, Instagram. You can find me. I was on TikTok. You can find me on TikTok. You can see my videos. Awesome. How's that? One more thing, don't forget we have our YouTube channel now that has many of our interviews coming out as full video editions. Go and subscribe so if you don't miss those. So before you close out of your podcast listening app, go subscribe, write us a review, and share this with a friend. Follow us on social media at On A Water Break, and we'll see you at the next rehearsal on A Water Break. Have no practice.
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