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Asta Nordvig: Hello Klaus, nice to have you on the podcast.
Claus Sørensen: Thank you.
Asta Nordvig: Thank you. I'm very excited to interview you today. and Could we start with you just introducing yourself and your practice?
Claus Sørensen: Yes, of course, of course. My name is Klaus Schoensen. I'm married to my lovely wife and we have three kids. and between 14 and 18 and I've been in practice for 24 years now.
Claus Sørensen: ah My clinic is located in central Ballorp, close to the station. I do acupuncture, cupping, moxibustion, and of course also Chinese herbal medicine.
Claus Sørensen: and A clear focus ah in my approach to ah to Chinese medicine is to really have a, you know, proper diagnosis ah to to start the treatment from. and then um ah In a way, also... in terms of you know the the key. the clinical approach is to basically initially to do as little as possible and not as much as possible.
Claus Sørensen: Because quite often patients present with a high degree of complexity and we really need to find what is key in the diagnosis and then we cannot figure out what the key is if we do too much.
Claus Sørensen: because it would basically...
Asta Nordvig: whose
Claus Sørensen: blur the the feedback and the feedback is really essential to become clear at what we are actually doing.
Asta Nordvig: Okay.
Claus Sørensen: so
Asta Nordvig: I see. So if you're like...
Claus Sørensen: Yeah.
Asta Nordvig: If you're treating 10 different things at once, then you don't see which things improve. from what treatment?
Claus Sørensen: No, it will be difficult because if it lets us say in terms of an acupuncture treatment, I most often just do. like ah one point pair, which means ah one point. on each arm and one point on each leg. So I call that a point pair.
Claus Sørensen: And that's like four needles in total. and If I do more than that, I basically ask the organism to to do a lot. And... I'm not quite sure if something works.
Claus Sørensen: what were actually what What was the part of the treatment that worked?
Asta Nordvig: Which one works? Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: Or if there are some kind of adverse reactions, what part of the treatment generated that? So it will become unclear and how to proceed from there.
Asta Nordvig: So... I see.
Claus Sørensen: So we're therefore, less is more in that respect to really...
Asta Nordvig: yeah and Okay.
Claus Sørensen: to become clear what's the central aspect in the diagnosis.
Asta Nordvig: I see.
Claus Sørensen: um
Asta Nordvig: And ah what what brought you to this Chinese medicine tradition to begin with?
Claus Sørensen: Wow. quite a journey, actually.
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: I've been studying martial arts or studying or training or practicing martial arts ah early on since I was 12.
Asta Nordvig: Yes.
Claus Sørensen: And then after the gymnasium, I actually started working in a bank and I did that for 10 years. and It really wasn't the the thing I wanted to do.
Claus Sørensen: uh but i just didn't know at that point what it was so it took me some time to actually uh find my path and that actually was coming from from the practice in martial arts because it's you know we talked about yin and yang and they had no clue what they were talking about but it sparked some interest and then um And eventually I ended up studying and then moved on to study acupuncture and Chinese medicine.
Asta Nordvig: Hmm.
Asta Nordvig: Okay.
Claus Sørensen: And then I quit the paint job.
Asta Nordvig: All right.
Claus Sørensen: um
Asta Nordvig: All right.
Claus Sørensen: so
Asta Nordvig: And where did you learn your acupuncture and herbalism and everything?
Claus Sørensen: um I started ah at a college ah in Reading in the yeah UK, College of Intricated...
Asta Nordvig: yes
Claus Sørensen: on this medicine. I moved there and after I quit my bank job. And then there I studied there for... something like three and a half years. And then when I finished that. and Soon after, um I had the opportunity to to do what we call a top -up degree course, so I ended up with a bachelor degree in in Chinese medicine.
Claus Sørensen: I think I was actually the first in Denmark with a bachelor's degree in Chinese medicine.
Asta Nordvig: my
Claus Sørensen: And that opened a lot of doors in terms of teaching, etc.
Asta Nordvig: Wow.
Claus Sørensen: um So that was a...
Asta Nordvig: Cool. Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: Yeah. but
Asta Nordvig: Yes.
Claus Sørensen: That's awesome. that is quite important for me also to kind of be able to to share knowledge. and Yeah. I'm like, if I find something that really works in clinic, I really want to tell people this is actually working.
Claus Sørensen: and So therefore also the interest in in in teaching.
Asta Nordvig: Cool, yeah.
Asta Nordvig: There's an interesting in betterment all around I see. um
Claus Sørensen: Yeah.
Asta Nordvig: Yeah. and I noticed you mentioned something that... Because... These days there's a lot of buzz on the internet about the traditional Chinese medicine. And...
Asta Nordvig: You mentioned something about the... The difference between traditional and what you call the classical. medicine Could you talk a bit about that?
Claus Sørensen: Yeah.
Asta Nordvig: That sounds really interesting.
Claus Sørensen: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. ah yeah I think... ah I don't really want a hammer. Yeah.
Asta Nordvig: you
Claus Sørensen: Push down. a TCM or traditional Chinese medicine.
Asta Nordvig: Hmm.
Claus Sørensen: ah But it was actually kind of... and something that was ah formulated ah during the... and uh, the cultural revolution in in China.
Claus Sørensen: So traditional Chinese medicine is actually not that old.
Asta Nordvig: Yes.
Claus Sørensen: We think, oh, it's a...
Asta Nordvig: Okay, from like the 50s maybe.
Claus Sørensen: millennia old, but it's not it's actually a fairly new form of Chinese medicine.
Asta Nordvig: I see.
Claus Sørensen: um And... In a way, that's Only air. Few things wrong from from my perspective. The thing is... that Traditional Chinese medicine is like really want to align with Western medicine.
Claus Sørensen: And of course, there's also nothing wrong with Western medicine.
Asta Nordvig: Hmm.
Claus Sørensen: It's just two very different approaches compared to... uh what we refer to as classical Chinese medicine. root
Asta Nordvig: and
Claus Sørensen: which refers back to the Han Dynasty, which is a couple of years... like two thousand years ah old.
Asta Nordvig: Hmm.
Claus Sørensen: So, ah you know, in in Western medicine... we quite often think about it like linear thinking. so
Asta Nordvig: kind
Claus Sørensen: This leads to this leading to this.
Asta Nordvig: Okay.
Claus Sørensen: But actually, in in the human organism, if we do one thing, it creates a multitude of of stuff happening in the in the organism. and the way if we then use Ehhh... Traditional Chinese medicine, TCM.
Asta Nordvig: Okay.
Claus Sørensen: And. that kind of want to align with Western thinking. it we quite often end up in the same kind of thinking, like linear thinking. So this will lead to this, will lead to this.
Asta Nordvig: I see it. smith
Claus Sørensen: But...
Asta Nordvig: All right.
Claus Sørensen: Actually, because we are so multidimensional, we will miss the big picture.
Asta Nordvig: Hmm.
Claus Sørensen: if we see it from this kind of Yeah, linear way of thinking.
Asta Nordvig: Linear. as
Claus Sørensen: linear way of thinking so
Asta Nordvig: Okay.
Claus Sørensen: what's really embedded in the classical approach.
Asta Nordvig: So you...
Claus Sørensen: It's like more systems thinking. So what happens in the system if we do this?
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: What happens in the system if we do this? What happens in the system? And then we can start to see some working relationship between organs and areas in the body in a different way.
Asta Nordvig: I see you so good.
Claus Sørensen: and So... home
Asta Nordvig: in a way that classical medicine classical chinese medicine is the same treatment but with a more holistic view. or more observant.
Claus Sørensen: Yeah, and yeah and it is ah in ah in a way, it's a subtle ah difference, but from my perspective, it it its and the way I yeah use Chinese medicine, it's a huge ah shift in terms of...
Asta Nordvig: Yes.
Asta Nordvig: and
Claus Sørensen: of of thinking.
Asta Nordvig: It's in the in the heart and intention in in how you do the treatment and how you observe the patient. during and after.
Claus Sørensen: Yeah. yeah yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Asta Nordvig: All right.
Claus Sørensen: So it is it is quite it is actually quite different when you...
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: but start to to using a non -linear thinking in ah in the way you you approach human beings and in the way we see how we function in the universe.
Asta Nordvig: Hmm.
Asta Nordvig: Missed
Asta Nordvig: I see. Hmm.
Claus Sørensen: um if If we adapt, the linear thinking is really... more or less impossible to to follow the multitude of stuff that happens in the organization if you do this.
Claus Sørensen: and then you know we will always expect the same outcome.
Asta Nordvig: Hmm.
Claus Sørensen: The Western way of thinking is like, and that's another thing because TCM in a way wanted to kind of lean towards Western medicine.
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: So one one example of this is like...
Asta Nordvig: and
Claus Sørensen: menopausal syndrome. So in Western thinking, that would quite often and be like and not enough estrogen in the body, and then you would take a hormonal supplement to to kind of...
Claus Sørensen: have enough estrogen so you get rid of your symptoms. And then in Chinese medicine, or traditional Chinese medicine, I should say, there's this tendency to think, oh, estrogen, that equals a certain ah pattern in... um in Chinese medicine, and we would call it ah not enough a kidney yin.
Claus Sørensen: not enough kidney water.
Asta Nordvig: Hmm.
Claus Sørensen: ah But actually, all the symptoms that that can be included in a menopausal syndrome can come from various aspects in the organism.
Claus Sørensen: I'm just mentioning a few now. It could come from any kind of stagnation in the body, so a blockage of the movement of the life force, blockage of movement of the blood, but excessive the eating too late in the evening.
Asta Nordvig: Mm.
Asta Nordvig: Thank you.
Claus Sørensen: So it there's ah so many things that could explain the symptoms that arise in the in menopausal syndrome. it's not just Kidney. yin deficiency which we would call it in TCM and that's actually that was one of the things that sparked my interest in Thank you.
Asta Nordvig: I see.
Claus Sørensen: I was taught one thing.
Asta Nordvig: the
Claus Sørensen: And then, of course, if you think this is correct and you you approach it with a certain you know that that that way of thinking. And it doesn't work in clinic. and dislike.
Claus Sørensen: What have I learned? is that Why is it ineffective?
Asta Nordvig: Okay, yes.
Claus Sørensen: And then that kind of sparked my ah interest to that's it's got to it's got to, there's got to be something more out there, and because I don't think this tradition would be like 2 ,000 years old or more, and then they wouldn't have encountered that, and they yeah I'm sure they would have formulated some strategies around this.
Asta Nordvig: Mm.
Asta Nordvig: I see.
Claus Sørensen: But the the TCM approach just didn't work for me.
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Asta Nordvig: but
Claus Sørensen: so um
Asta Nordvig: Okay.
Claus Sørensen: Then I moved moved on, I looked further.
Asta Nordvig: So then you delve deeper. Yes, okay, I see, yeah.
Claus Sørensen: Yeah, yeah. yeah yeah
Asta Nordvig: and In... The Wu Wei in this project, we have a lot of focus on... stress and ah this modern lifestyle and the...
Asta Nordvig: the issues that people encounter when they forget to take care of their body and their mind. and And we're looking. towards China and Chinese medicine? What what are the practices? and the that meditation and Chinese medicine can.
Asta Nordvig: can do to to help people. and Would you say that stress is something that... your patients often present with. Was Mantra yarn physically?
Claus Sørensen: Yes. and There's one particular aspect. that is so common in the beginning ah parts of a treatment. process.
Claus Sørensen: And it it will now become a little technical, but ah it's it's ah it's ah it's an aspect in in the diagnosis.
Asta Nordvig: Yes. Yes.
Claus Sørensen: that uh that uh that's really affected by stress so imagine we're taking life force ah down through the organism.
Asta Nordvig: Hmm?
Asta Nordvig: Hmm?
Claus Sørensen: that life force needs to go through what we refer to as pivot area, so like ah swing doors in a way, so they should be able to open and close smoothly.
Asta Nordvig: Okay.
Claus Sørensen: And. These areas, these pivot areas or the swing doors, with through the which we take in the life force, really has a tendency to kind of stagnate or like the hinges are getting rusty when they when we get affected by stress.
Asta Nordvig: Okay.
Asta Nordvig: Ah, yeah.
Claus Sørensen: And then we are constantly kind of standing between heaven and earth, so we cannot help life force to flow into into the body. And then if these areas are kind of blocked,
Claus Sørensen: there will be a build -up on one side of these areas and then it that energy will lack on the other side of ah ah of that that pivot area.
Asta Nordvig: I see.
Claus Sørensen: It is so common to see this.
Asta Nordvig: So you get too much in one place and too little in another.
Claus Sørensen: Yeah, exactly.
Asta Nordvig: Okay.
Claus Sørensen: And it leads to so much dysfunctionality in the organism. it Basically, if... if this incoming knife force is not kind of... getting into position, it can explain more or less.
Claus Sørensen: Yeah. Yeah. more or less anything and in ah in our organism that's not ah functioning as it as it should.
Asta Nordvig: a
Asta Nordvig: Okay.
Claus Sørensen: And that's kind of an overriding thing I see. over and over again it's like Nine out of 10 new patients in my clinic presents with with these pivot areas being affected.
Claus Sørensen: And that's due to stress or stresses in in our lives.
Asta Nordvig: Okay.
Claus Sørensen: so
Asta Nordvig: So they might seek you out for what they think is one problem and then it's actually caused by...
Claus Sørensen: Absolutely.
Asta Nordvig: this blockage or
Claus Sørensen: yeah Yeah. And another thing that we very often see in modern practice Um, ah In a way, I don't really like the word. chronic ah because it's basically just a condition that's been there for ah for ah quite a while.
Asta Nordvig: thank
Claus Sørensen: But it's it's also like when we use the term chronic, it's like, okay, we cannot shift this condition.
Asta Nordvig: Hmm.
Claus Sørensen: ah But actually Chinese medicine is really, really well suited for ah shifting even very chronic conditions and also like ah autoimmune diseases, which is like...
Claus Sørensen: I see a lot in the clinic and most often, not always, but most often it's due to...
Asta Nordvig: Peace.
Claus Sørensen: different kinds of stresses. that and that have blocked these pivot areas. And again, it leads to a condition where there's too much energy at one place and we lack that energy at another place.
Asta Nordvig: I see.
Claus Sørensen: The energy that's kind of building up the life force is warm so it will build up and generate some heat is most often what we see in ah in autoimmune diseases like when tissues is affected by the autoimmune aspects and then of course because
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Asta Nordvig: and
Claus Sørensen: energy is not working from position. A lot of metabolic processes in the body is not functioning as as they should. So this is one of the main things I most commonly see in autoimmune diseases, which is... Sh - so common now in in in a modern clinic.
Asta Nordvig: and
Claus Sørensen: So...
Asta Nordvig: So you would say that these ancient practices are... efficient in in these more modern elements.
Claus Sørensen: Absolutely, absolutely. and The thing is...
Asta Nordvig: yeah
Claus Sørensen: and Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: when we When we try to trace the movement of the life force in in the organism, ah In a way, that's only... ah That's... there's one thing that can go ah go wrong, either we are moving along with the and movement of the life force or we are moving against it.
Claus Sørensen: And it's basically, we want to correct that movement.
Asta Nordvig: nice
Claus Sørensen: And if we manage to correct that movement, ah life will happen as it should in our organism. So that's kind of key in ah in in our practices to actually be able to to trace the movement of the life force.
Claus Sørensen: Where does it need support in movement and where does it need support and kind of ah to strengthen that certain aspects?
Asta Nordvig: the
Claus Sørensen: It's really well suited for for for modern apps. patients also.
Asta Nordvig: Okay.
Claus Sørensen: Amazingly enough, but we i i felt we can only... see these aspects if From my perspective, it would see see it through... um the classical ah approach.
Claus Sørensen: and
Asta Nordvig: no
Claus Sørensen: uh because that's basically really dealing with with this kind of ah ah cycle where we take life in and then we express life back up and out and when we trace the movement of the life force that way around. and we We can. quite easily explain in our diagnosis why certain things are going not as they should.
Claus Sørensen: um
Asta Nordvig: Okay.
Claus Sørensen: And that that's vital and we cannot see it. use that kind of make that kind of dynamic ah diagnosis. if we choose to see it in a linear way.
Claus Sørensen: it will become impossible. So if we choose to see things two -dimensional...
Asta Nordvig: I see, yes.
Claus Sørensen: we will not be able to... to to to recognize what's actually going on. From my perspective, of course, yeah.
Asta Nordvig: Yeah, you need to see the whole ripple effect in the body and then
Claus Sørensen: accept me Exactly. Exactly.
Asta Nordvig: how that affects the human, I see.
Claus Sørensen: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah
Asta Nordvig: um I do really want to hear from you about the acupuncture school that you're running. What are you teaching and what inspired you to start the school?
Claus Sørensen: Yeah. and I was approached a number of years back by a colleague who wanted to start acupuncture training.
Claus Sørensen: And I was asked, do you want do want to be ahead of that? And I thought, okay, why not? So I jumped out where the water was really deep. ah But I found that it was actually...
Asta Nordvig: Fun, yes.
Claus Sørensen: thriving in the in the in the teaching process. I didn't quite know if that would be the case initially, but I found out that at Business X, I really enjoy sharing information.
Asta Nordvig: No.
Claus Sørensen: um And I think I do have... ah some really important stuff to share especially like
Asta Nordvig: Peace.
Claus Sørensen: uh it's it's not again. um we We call it traditional Chinese medicine. But I'm actually really referring to the ancient East Asian medicine.
Claus Sørensen: And ah the the pulse system I'm using is really tapping into these ancient ideas.
Asta Nordvig: Yes.
Claus Sørensen: and palpating the channels are really tapping into these ancient ideas and also when we palpate the abdomen e etc. We're basically insec integrating stuff that's not really mainstream.
Asta Nordvig: No.
Claus Sørensen: mad TCM in ah in our training.
Asta Nordvig: Hi, Steve.
Claus Sørensen: And it's extremely fascinating too. to find the logic in these approaches, even though they initially can. seem quite complex. but there's a red line through. all of these diagnostic diagnostic models so we can really kind of thread the different approaches to together to come to a really solid diagnosis. And I find that extremely fascinating to to kind of teach it.
Claus Sørensen: And... Eventually, when each student gets kind of get it. um that they ah they They just lighten up and say, oh, I got it now.
Claus Sørensen: you know it's It's actually so logical now and to to come to to that point.
Asta Nordvig: yeah yeah
Claus Sørensen: ah of of course, as a practitioner by myself, but also like ah for for for students to to to experience that.
Asta Nordvig: So.
Claus Sørensen: That's a true joy to to experience that development.
Asta Nordvig: Yes. So you you find a ah good joy in... in guiding people through. until they really find out how to think. in in these terms. and about dismiss them after the the body.
Claus Sørensen: Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Asta Nordvig: one
Claus Sørensen: yeah yeah yeah and and And again, the the beauty from my perspective is... it The East Asian model is... ah Super logical.
Claus Sørensen: Initially, it seems extremely complex, but it's actually super logical.
Asta Nordvig: No.
Claus Sørensen: And of course, and even in really complex ah clinical situations, if if you if you kind of learn and integrate the the the right way to approach these complex situations, you can more or less explain anything that goes wrong in the physical, law ah you know not only the physical body, but also...
Asta Nordvig: Good.
Claus Sørensen: emotional and mentals spiritual aspects, ah we we can start to correct ah these movements and then we can see some quite awesome, amazing results.
Claus Sørensen: in the clinic.
Asta Nordvig: kind
Claus Sørensen: and and the quite soon in in the process, and the students at the college, when they start to to to to to use needles they they start to get a glimpse of kind of some of these aspects and if that's truly amazing to to witness that.
Asta Nordvig: do you find that the students that approach you and start training at your school. Do they have any experience with acupuncture? Have they taken treatments themselves before?
Asta Nordvig: entering this world or
Claus Sørensen: ah Some have, ah but and that's kind of maybe been a health problem for ah for a long period of time and then they get exposure to Chinese medicine and they get help and they think, oh, this is actually really cool.
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Asta Nordvig: wil
Claus Sørensen: ah What has been offered so far in the health system it didn't really kind of... work well enough.
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: And now I found something that really assisted my process. So I really want to learn this. um So sometimes we use the term uh wounded uh healers so kind of we've been going through a lot of stuff ourselves.
Asta Nordvig: Hmm?
Asta Nordvig: What? Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: We found something that works ah for us and then kind of... It heals ourselves, so now we kind of want to to move that forward. to
Asta Nordvig: you
Claus Sørensen: to future few patients.
Asta Nordvig: So it's real persons. own struggles comes a deeper desire to share and to
Claus Sørensen: air
Asta Nordvig: to heal others as well.
Claus Sørensen: Yeah. Yeah, we we cannot go through life without the encounter problems.
Asta Nordvig: Mmm.
Claus Sørensen: And then it's just how how are we best assisted in in that process.
Asta Nordvig: That's true.
Claus Sørensen: And.
Asta Nordvig: Hmm.
Claus Sørensen: as long as we It's easy to think that something happened to me and you know feel ashamed about it or feel that I was unlucky.
Claus Sørensen: But we can also take responsibility.
Asta Nordvig: yes
Claus Sørensen: but for what happens in our lives. And then it's a true learning process we can use in our on our own path, but we can also use it. helping other people on their individual paths.
Claus Sørensen: and that's That's part of being a practitioner too.
Asta Nordvig: Thanks.
Claus Sørensen: to look within yourself but also to to assist other people in in their in their path and they can be quite different from your from yours but nevertheless we basically just give them a push.
Asta Nordvig: Yes.
Asta Nordvig: I see.
Asta Nordvig: no
Claus Sørensen: in what seemed to be their direction. and then their lives will unfold the way they should. and So...
Asta Nordvig: That's slow. I find that really profound actually.
Claus Sørensen: It is.
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: Yeah.
Asta Nordvig: and um
Claus Sørensen: yeah
Asta Nordvig: I see that we' we've been talking for a little while now. and Before we close off...
Claus Sørensen: Hmm?
Asta Nordvig: Oh. really wanted to know if It's the one idea of one. practice or daily habit. that you always hope that you're... clients or patients take home with them.
Asta Nordvig: after your treatment
Claus Sørensen: Yeah, in a way. And it's sometimes more easy said than done. but quite often in an acupuncture treatment. what very often happens is kind of And... uh real reset.
Asta Nordvig: Mm hmm.
Claus Sørensen: ah And when patients lie with needles, they should basically remember what does it feel like to be reset.
Asta Nordvig: fact
Claus Sørensen: ah and kind of you know aligned again.
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: and then ah the uh really kind of come back to that sensation.
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: and Like. go go back home, and lie on your couch and get into that sensation you had ah last time you had needles, because that would actually enhance the acupuncture treatment ah quite a bit if you kind of try to to align yourself again.
Claus Sørensen: And that's free.
Asta Nordvig: So you can...
Claus Sørensen: And it includes a proper breathing and includes... ah clarity of mind when you when you actually do it. so and you know, the more the... patient can do for themselves back home.
Claus Sørensen: ah ah without actually having to pay any kind of money, it's really valuable. and ah But.
Asta Nordvig: Yeah. Unless you have to poke them in the end.
Claus Sørensen: ah Yeah, and the sooner they they actually get they get better.
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: And that's another thing. in kind of, in any from my perspective, any kind of treatment. ah and approach.
Claus Sørensen: um The practitioner should not be ah be the one and who has the person's joystick. They should kind of... Get rid of that responsibility. and
Asta Nordvig: yeah
Claus Sørensen: Basically, just try to align the patient with the with the with with flow of the life force. And then as soon as possible, the patient should take charge of ah of their process and take responsibility for for their process.
Asta Nordvig: I see.
Claus Sørensen: um And then things really start to happen instead of being kind of a victim.
Asta Nordvig: So... sort of
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: if they take charge of that process. and things will evolve much better and much sooner.
Asta Nordvig: So.
Asta Nordvig: So the patient's role is more effective if they approach you as needing your assistance to find their balance again
Claus Sørensen: Yeah.
Asta Nordvig: And then...
Claus Sørensen: Yeah. yeah yeah
Asta Nordvig: remain in that balance for as much as possible.
Claus Sørensen: Yes, yes, yes
Asta Nordvig: I see.
Claus Sørensen: Absolutely.
Asta Nordvig: Yeah.
Claus Sørensen: so
Asta Nordvig: Wow. that's uh That's really incredible. and ah Could you just reiterate where can people find you online? And ah and in the real world?
Claus Sørensen: Yeah. ah in In the real world, my clinic is in Ballerup, outskirts of Greater Copenhagen. and um um I can be found on my website dragonrises .dk And it's also stated on my little t -shirt here.
Claus Sørensen: so
Asta Nordvig: I see, yeah.
Claus Sørensen: That's one way to to find me. and And. and on the web.
Asta Nordvig: Great. Thank you so much for sharing all your knowledge. or a little tidbit of it. And...
Claus Sørensen: and Why are you looking?
Asta Nordvig: Yeah. Thank you very much for being on our podcast.
Claus Sørensen: Thank you.
Asta Nordvig: Thank you. Bye -bye.
Claus Sørensen: Bye.
