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Refereeing Errors Overshadow Mid-Week Fixtures, Roma-Napoli and Torino-Juventus Previews (Ep. 28)
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00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome
Introduction and Weekend Preview
00:00:02
Speaker
to the Sadia show. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another edition of the Sadia show. Hope you are all doing very well. Since we had the midweek fixtures, this is going to be a mixture of a review and a preview for the upcoming weekend.
Refereeing Errors and VAR Discussion
00:00:29
Speaker
So Chloe, Nima, how are you two?
00:00:33
Speaker
I'm good. I'm enjoying, I'm not as bitter as Antonio Conte for playing every three days, but it's a different, it's not what we're used to, if we put it that way. Well, for these midweek fixtures, there seemed to be a certain theme and it wasn't a great one. And the theme was referring mistakes, which is something we have talked about quite extensively here, including
00:00:57
Speaker
Yeah, fine, thank you.
00:01:01
Speaker
We have the technology of VAR, but we still keep getting all of these important decisions wrong. So because there's literally a handful of them that we can start with, let's start with the one that seems to be drawing most of the talking points, particularly on social media.
00:01:18
Speaker
Ah, the Cristiano Ronaldo penalty, Juve Genoa. Chloe, I'll start with you. What's your opinion on it? Certainly, let me just say, I thought it was incredibly soft and that is all I will say. Yeah, I think so too. It's one of those where there were probably in the whole
00:01:48
Speaker
this midweek and last weekend there were probably worse errors, in fact there were worse errors, but obviously the ones involving UVA are going to get the most attention. I think you're right Dawn, I agree it was soft, whether it was a clear and obvious error I'm not quite sure, but I definitely think there were worse examples than that.
00:02:09
Speaker
For me, the problem is not that they gave a penalty for that. For me is the lack of consistency when I think it was Rugani who did something similarly to a Genoa player and that was not given a penalty. I think Luca Marelli, the ex-referee who covers refereeing decisions,
00:02:27
Speaker
brilliantly said it best. Either they're both penalties or none of them are penalties. That's what I have an issue with. Yeah, consistency. Yeah, that's my issue with that particular challenge or that particular situation.
Dynamic Genoa Team and Player Performances
00:02:45
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Either they're both penalties or none of them are penalties.
00:02:49
Speaker
That's fair. Well, just very quickly, getting away from the refereeing decisions, I actually think that Tiago Malta has this Genoa setup quite well, yeah? Yeah, for sure. It's clearly, I mean, he's not playing 2-7-2 or whatever he was saying. I mean, that was clearly just nonsense. But he's got, he's a very dynamic midfield and it's looking really interesting and the movement
00:03:14
Speaker
they have I mean they're they're pretty much playing like all teams do to be honest all modern teams are doing it's he's definitely an interesting appointment this Genoa side are playing good football and
00:03:25
Speaker
And Kwame is only 21 years old. He's already scored five goals. It's looking really good. I really like Guilhone. I think he's a really interesting fullback. There's a lot of young fullbacks coming through, or just young Italian players generally spoken about, but I think Pellegrini at Cagliari and Guilhone at Genoa are really exciting to watch.
00:03:51
Speaker
From a Juve perspective though, Chloe, this was one, and I know he's one of your favorite players, but Rugani, oh my word, shocking, absolutely shockingly bad. Yeah, I mean, I was watching Fiorentino on my laptop and Juve was on the TV, so I only caught glimpses of it, but yeah, he's not revolutionized under Sarri as he's
00:04:16
Speaker
he's just not a good defender, plain and simple. And the way he keeps getting in, well, he doesn't keep getting UVA's team, but the reason that he's not been sold yet is beyond me. I don't know. Maybe nobody wants him.
00:04:31
Speaker
Well, Roma were after him, but I think they were put off by the asking price of 30 million euros. Listen, if Daniela Rugani is a 30 million euro player, I think we have some major reevaluating to do in terms of the transfer market. But yeah, I mean, it wasn't obviously the most convincing of performances from you, but Nima, as you've alluded to in the past, I mean, ultimately they get the win.
00:04:54
Speaker
That's what it's all about. They remain at the top of the table. This past weekend, they had the opportunity to jump them, but they dropped points to Parma. We're being critical of their performance, but nonetheless, they stay at the top of the table. All right. What should the next refereeing error that we discuss be? I
Controversial Red Cards and Defensive Praise
00:05:16
Speaker
want to talk about the Roma one, because I've looked at that now 15 different angles, and I don't understand how he gets that into a red card.
00:05:23
Speaker
I that's that's that's barely even a free kick. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. And you have the bar and you still get I don't. I'm sorry, John. That is that annoys me because there's nothing there. There's nothing there there. You know what I mean? Like there's nothing there.
00:05:39
Speaker
Yeah, so a little bit of background for those of you who missed this Roma, they were up one goal to zero at the time and Federico Fazio, he goes into a challenge with Stefano Ocaca, who goes over quite easily and Fazio is sent off and
00:05:57
Speaker
Yeah, I mean in this one, especially with VAR, I mean you could even make the case that Okaka should have been whistled for the dive because he goes down incredibly, incredibly easy and Fazio ultimately sent off Roma, they go down to 10 men and this was in the 30th minute so Roma play 60 minutes with 10 men. Now obviously they win four to zero, they put in a great performance but nonetheless the decision was absolutely maddening and the fact that
00:06:27
Speaker
What frustrated me most was almost four minutes ran off the clock for this decision to be made. He goes to look at the VAR, he wastes all this time, and in the end they still get the decision wrong.
00:06:44
Speaker
That is what's baffling. That is what's baffling. It's crazy. And we've said it again and again. I think sometimes we might sound like broken record boomers or something, but we're not against VAR. Absolutely not.
00:07:02
Speaker
That's exactly it, Chloe. We're frustrated with the implementation with it, the way it's utilized, the people in charge of it. Again, I go to the fact if somebody on their couch watching this match can get the call correct, why can the guy not in the stadium with four other people looking at the same action and he's got a video screen that he can utilize? That is a thing that I just can't wrap my head around. He's crazy.
00:07:31
Speaker
I've looked at this from so many angles. It's not a foul. It literally is. They're both challenging for the ball. Fazio does not kick him. He's falling down even before Fazio touches him. He trips. I'm even going to give Okaka the benefit of the doubt here. I think he trips over himself and he falls. It's nothing. There's nothing there there. I'm just glad that this didn't affect the game in any way because Roma were just too damn good.
00:07:59
Speaker
Yeah, they were good. And I want to tell you, I want to tell you, you know how much I love Pastore.
00:08:06
Speaker
this new role that they've created for him. Ah, he's a joy to watch. He's one of the few players in the world I'd pay to watch. I love watching Javier Pastora playing football. I just people. So he's done well. Obviously, Roma have been affected with Lorenzo Pellegrini being out. But the one that has caught my eye above all has been not only Chris Smalling, because he's been sensational. If you if you're relatively new to the city, if you don't watch much the city and you're somehow stumbling upon us,
00:08:37
Speaker
Smalling has been sensational for Roma. You can make the argument he's been one of the best defenders in all the Serie A this season. But Gianluca Mancini has been playing in the midfield because Roma have no other options and he has been just incredible. I'm almost tempted to say that he should not be a defender anymore and he should be this defensive midfielder because he has been incredible and between injuries and suspensions Roma have been forced to put him in this role.
00:09:05
Speaker
He's been absolutely sensational. But on the other side of things, Utenese look absolutely dreadful. They concede seven this past weekend to Atalanta. They concede four, three of which came when Roma were down to ten men. And now it looks like it appears as if Turoar, by the time this gets released, he more than likely will have gotten a sack. And the name that I keep seeing
00:09:32
Speaker
For me, that's exactly the type of manager they need. Their problem is not tactics. For lack of a better phrase, they need a kick in the backside because their attitude stinks. It was exactly that. They don't fight for each other. They don't do anything. They just looked at each other. They all played as individuals, not as a team. I mean, it was clear that Tudor had lost a dressing room. When a team acts that
00:10:00
Speaker
that haplessly, then you have to sack the coach. It's not about tactics, they're not listening to him anymore and then you have to make a change.
00:10:10
Speaker
And if you can, if you hemorrhage 11 goals in two games, sure. Atalanta, they have one of the, they have the best attack in this area for sure.
Udinese's Struggles and Managerial Changes?
00:10:18
Speaker
But seven goals and Roma with 10 men shouldn't be allowed to score four. So especially away at home. So no, no, no, no. I think it was the right decision. I still think that Udeniese have a, I still think that they will make it. I think Gattuso would be, as you say, the ideal solution he brings on energy. He brings on a fighting spirit and discipline.
00:10:40
Speaker
No, I think this is a good decision to do, but I've got to say Roma, Veritul, Pastore, it's looking good. I mean, just think about when all these players come back that they have on the injury list.
00:10:57
Speaker
I wonder if I didn't put them too low by saying they were fourth. Maybe they can even get third, given that Napoli and Atalanta are so consistent. Can I just hop in and say something about Roma? First of all, I saw that they tweeted that Chris Morling was the first ever Englishman to score for them, which is pretty cool. That is pretty cool. Yeah. But the second thing is,
00:11:24
Speaker
In so many years, in recent history, when they've suffered adversity, they've always let the heads drop. And when they seem to be struggling, like, you know, I thought in that Europa League game, when they conceded that last minute goal, which obviously wasn't a penalty, I thought that was going to start a real slide for them. I thought they were going to
00:11:53
Speaker
they didn't have any players fit and in the past I feel that the heads would have dropped and that they'd get into this slide that they couldn't get out of and then people questioning Fonseca and all these things but actually they've shown this real tenacity and
00:12:11
Speaker
you know, I watched them at the weekend and I thought they were brilliant against Milan. I thought they really dug in, they played for each other, they didn't let adversity stop them and for Fonseca to introduce this
00:12:28
Speaker
um way of thinking that's so different for the you know this this mentality is it was not just uh a recent thing it wasn't just De Francesco it was Spoletti before him um yeah either Rudy Garcia before him I mean that would come out of his mouth was obscene at times
00:12:47
Speaker
Yeah, they were so badly affected by things happening to them under Garcia. They would go on this slide, you know, if anything went against them. And for Fonseca, in such a short space of time and with so many injuries to deal with, to say, OK, come on, we've got this problem, let's roll our sleeves up and get on with it. And I just think it's so refreshing to see this different aspect of Roma.
00:13:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, we could talk about the play, we can talk about how they look much better at the back. I mean, last season they were hemorrhaging goals at an obscene amount with, I mean, the change he has made, the testament to his work, in my opinion, is more about what he has done
00:13:30
Speaker
from a mental perspective because, again, you just said it, Chloe, perfectly. Any time something goes against this Roma, they would drop their heads, their attitude would be terrible. They had little to no character or personality. And something, because I was so used to you savio de Francesco's garbage after, you know, a poor result, we tried, they were good, blah, blah, blah, bravo. Finally, Fonseca,
00:14:01
Speaker
This may be a little crude, but finally a guy with balls, you know, I mean he makes difficult decisions. Everybody knows I'm not his biggest fan, but one of the biggest talking points has turned into, oh my God, what is happening to Alessandro Florenzi? David de Santon starts over him because Leonardo Spinazzola had a little bit of a knock, so many would have thought Florenzi comes on. Florenzi has been benched essentially for a couple of weeks now and
00:14:27
Speaker
It doesn't matter if Lorenzo made 50 mistakes. You say the different just go keeps him on and that's why they said you said you're De Francesco will hopefully never coaching the city ever again because he doesn't write from mistakes. I mean this seems so because you know this is exactly what you say. It seems so elementary but but
00:14:48
Speaker
That's how you have to have, like you say, the balls to make those decisions. Yes, he's the captain. Yes, he's from Rome. But he's not good enough right now, so he doesn't play. As simple as. Yeah, and anyone who doesn't like it can, you know, can just look at the results and they speak for themselves then. Yeah, exactly.
00:15:06
Speaker
Listen, the results speak for themselves. But I do want to get both your opinion, Chloe, you touched upon it, the result against Milan. I thought Roma, you know, a lot of people were talking about Milan. They're not that good. But I still heard some people predicting that Milan would win. I think people are just writing off Roma, just how many injuries they've had to deal with. I can't reiterate that enough for them to get that result against Milan. It wasn't for Don Aruma.
00:15:32
Speaker
Roma would have had four or five because he made two or three Sensational saves. I mean world-class Milan though. Oh my god the individual mistakes I want to make a retraction. I don't know I want to make a retraction I said I said I think purely is out by April. I want to change that he's out by February. Oh, no, I mean there's there's
00:15:56
Speaker
This is clear now that the problems at Milan are not pure. Now you can see that not even the Pioli High, which is short but sweet, is not helping. It's not working. And it's going to take some time. And I don't think they have that time.
00:16:12
Speaker
the fanbase was against him already. They were already made the Pioli out hashtag go viral before he was even announced. I'm probably just going to have an history that happened. Yeah, definitely. And they
00:16:30
Speaker
And they just look, that game, I honestly thought they were going to beat Roma because of the injuries and because of how well they looked like and the energy they had against Lecce. But it was Gianpaolo all over again, completely fragmented, completely unconcentrated, all over the place.
00:16:49
Speaker
couldn't string two passes together and whenever they did, it looked more like luck more than anything. This is dangerous. I'm not saying Milan will get relegated, but they need to watch out. When you have these collapses that we are seeing now, this is a collapse, especially with big teams. When things collapse in big cities and big piazzas,
00:17:11
Speaker
It's not the same pressure as when it happens at Lecce or Udinese. It's nowhere near the same. The mental burden that comes on top of these players is do not underestimate that. So I really hope they sort it out because this can end really badly.
00:17:30
Speaker
We've made it almost 20 minutes. And Chloe, I have not asked you yet about Frank Leibody. It took him, what is it? Today we're recording this on Halloween, so it's the 31st in October. His first incident, we have it, and it's before Christmas.
Ribery's Ban and Naples' VAR Controversies
00:17:48
Speaker
So speaking of refereeing decisions and refereeing errors sort of being the theme of this podcast, I want to travel back to the previous weekend.
00:18:00
Speaker
Now listen, a lot of people are giving him some stick because they're saying, oh, an older player, he should know that, you know, you obviously can't put your hands on a referee. But then I challenge that with, I mean, do you know who this guy is? He's one of the most passionate players ever. I mean, I'm not shocked, right?
00:18:21
Speaker
I don't know. I think when you have a play like Rebrue and your Fiorentina, you kind of have to just roll with it, really. You kind of have to just accept that's how it is. I mean, obviously, it's not a good example to set to the younger players. It's not a good example to set to the younger fans. But if you don't like something, then you just push them. But having said that,
00:18:48
Speaker
I'm not at all advocating violence towards referees, but I do feel that, you know, referees, they make these mistakes, that they now have technology to help them, and they make these mistakes. This is their job. They're doing their job badly. And when the stakes are so high, it matters to people.
00:19:11
Speaker
I, you know, whilst Ribery was totally wrong and he was right to get a three-match ban completely, and Fiorentina were right not to contest it.
00:19:20
Speaker
the referees really do need to up their game a little bit and you know there were lots of I don't like to talk about referees I don't like to make excuses for losing because of the referee but you know there were some very dreadful decisions in that map so yeah he was he was pretty upset in regards to that and goes over to the referee after the match he puts his hands on him so he obviously receives a ban Fiorentina don't
00:19:45
Speaker
challenge it, but I felt like that was made much, I feel like much more was made of that than what should have been. I thought these past two match days, the refereeing mistakes have been borderline egregious, criminal, borderline criminal. I mean, they've been not literally criminal, but they've been so bad. It's baffling to me how this continues to happen.
00:20:09
Speaker
Let's go on to the next one. I mean, if we're talking about the worst referring mistakes, I think the Napoli game is a horror show of missing, clear, not Napoli Atalanta. I don't understand. I mean, the Gazeta said that they supported the decision of the referee, Giacomelli to, or the Var, not Giacomelli, but the Var to disallow
00:20:36
Speaker
or not give Napoli a penalty, because Llorente's got his elbow in his face. But you can't look at this. I'm totally with Marilli on this. You can't look at this as a fragmented piece. You have to look at the entire action. And Chiard dives into Llorente. That is a huge, huge mistake. And not even that. Whatever, I think it's
00:21:04
Speaker
I think it's Pasalic who drop-kicks an appoli player. I think it's Kaye Hon outside the penalty area.
00:21:16
Speaker
If that's not a red card, I don't know what is. Those two decisions are just so embarrassingly bad. And when you have the VAR and you can't get it right when you use the VAR in those situations, that's just, you know, you're in the wrong field of work. I mean, you're so grossly incompetent or stupid or both that you're not fit to do your job. It's just that simple.
00:21:42
Speaker
And obviously, of course, Seria being Seria, the Seria gods being who they are, Atalanta equalize on the counter-attack from that penalty shout that the bar didn't give, and all hell breaks loose. So, no, to me, this is getting ridiculous. When people attack the VAR, if the VAR wasn't there, this wouldn't even be reviewed.
00:22:06
Speaker
So now at least it's being reviewed. Now they have to explain themselves, saying, why aren't you? Why did you make the decision you made when you have technical assistance to assist you? Before they could just say, oh, I got it wrong. Sorry. Soz. But now they can't because that excuse is gone because they have the technical ability to look at things and they still get it wrong. I mean,
00:22:32
Speaker
That that is to me is just I don't I don't understand how you can have a video like you said John You're on your couch on your ass watching this and you can make it out Come on Yeah, and moving away again from the refereeing mistakes in regards to to that match Chloe what so not believe they dropped points again, that's three draws in their previous four matches and
00:22:58
Speaker
What do we make of this? Because again, I would say most of us coming into this, we thought they would be, along with Inter, the primary challenger for this scurrito. But I mean, my gosh, they keep dropping points like this, and it's maddening for me because this isn't even a question of talent. I mean, they undoubtedly have the quality within the team.
00:23:19
Speaker
Yeah,
Napoli's Midfield Woes and Ancelotti's Frustrations
00:23:20
Speaker
I think, you know, we've been kind of predicting this drop-off for a while. We've been questioning Ancelotti on the show quite a lot. We've been questioning Natalie and their midfield, you know, being able to just run straight through at the opposition.
00:23:36
Speaker
You know, they've now dropped out of the top four, which I think, you know, I can't really remember the last time that happened because they've been so consistently good and near the top and even fighting with Juve for the Scudetto under Sarri. I was thinking about this earlier on and, you know, I wonder whether really, because a lot of the team
00:24:04
Speaker
was there under Sarri that they're still playing now, it makes me wonder if they really missed that Giorgino figure in the midfield and whether now that, you know, Ancelotti can't seem to figure it out and that area does seem to be causing the problem, whether
00:24:25
Speaker
the team has held itself together up to now, but now it's starting to really fall apart because they haven't got that quality playmaker in the midfield. It was just a thought that I had because it's really, really hard to put your finger on exactly what the problem is. But I mean, Napoli play Roma next and Roma are battling and fighting for each other and that's going to be a tough prospect for them. They could really see themselves slide further down the table and lose ground
00:24:53
Speaker
to some of these teams that are wanting the Champions League places. So, you know, there's a lot for them to worry about at the moment. There, I would say, especially two, I don't know if anybody saw, but Alain in the midfield hurt his knee. He will not be available for the match against Roma. And I think it was you, Nima, who has brought up with Ancelotti this issue of being imbalanced a bit. And you take Alain out of that midfield equation,
00:25:21
Speaker
I don't know who you put centrally without lacking severe balance in that case, because I think he's the one. I mean, other than him, do you really have more of a defensive minded, box to box sort of midfielder? I don't think so. I think the problem, I'm glad you brought it up, Chloe, as your zino, I think it's it's diabara. I think when, when they sent diabara to Roma in exchange for Mano last day,
00:25:46
Speaker
they not only made a problem worse, not that there's anything wrong with Manolas, it's just the fact that that midfield issue, I think Diavara is exactly the kind of player that they're missing. And Giorgino, that kind of player who has the ability to tie the defence together, but also can create play going forward, to make that all-important pass before the pass, assist before the assist, if you will.
00:26:14
Speaker
So that's where I see they are lacking. And also this 442 is not balanced. It is not balanced and he can't get it right. And Insimia looks like a shadow of himself. He only has these tiny bursts. I don't know.
00:26:33
Speaker
i wonder if if if if they were i think what he really wants to do and i think i like me like i know you like him john i don't understand why because i think he's a very lucky he's a very i mean he's a very mediocre player nothing is bad but this
00:26:48
Speaker
I think against Atalanta we saw why he's not so good. Why I don't rate him that highly. I don't think he's good enough to be a starting striker in a team that is to finish top three, top four. And I think against Atalanta we saw that. He misses, he doesn't
00:27:04
Speaker
he can't control the ball the way that Jeko does. He doesn't have the presence that Ronaldo does, or the killer instinct that Ronaldo does, or even the speed and the physicality that Lukaku does. He's a mid-table striker. He's not bad, but he's not good. He doesn't have those top qualities that you need to have at this level if you want to be a top 14.
00:27:33
Speaker
And I think that's where it starts as well, because if Napoli scored three, four goals against Atalata, the game is over. But they don't, because he manages to knee the post and misses the ball. And I still think that Ancelotti wants to play a 4-3-3, but he doesn't feel he has the strikers to do that. The wingers he has, but he doesn't have that number nine who can give that to him. Because if he can play a 4-3-3,
00:27:59
Speaker
Zielinski, you know, you have enough midfield quality to be able to play a fourth, to pack that midfield centrally, and then you have Kajikon on the wing, or whoever you have on the wing, it will work. But this 4-4-2 just leaves a hole in the middle of the pitch. And I think that starts with the number nine position. So I think the Ibra rumor makes more and more sense.
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00:29:30
Speaker
now they face Roma that along with Torino Juve Lazio Milan are sort of the highlight matches of the weekend so given that Nima do you think how do you see this one playing out because again Roma I
00:29:45
Speaker
I fear at some point having this lack of depth because of all the injuries will will we're going to see it affect them and it's not it's not going to be slowly. I think we're just going to see a performance that is just dreadful. And will it be this one? I don't know. But if they keep playing like they have in the past two matches, I think they at least have a chance in this one as for Napoli. Again, I don't know what in the world to expect because I feel like, again, they've dropped they've dropped points at three out of the last four.
00:30:15
Speaker
The lack of balance, Alain being out for this one. How do you see this playing out? Because again, I could make the case for either of them winning. Exactly. It's the uncertainty. It's the uncertainty of Roma being so stretched.
00:30:33
Speaker
You have a Napoli that are raging. I mean, Ancelotti has never been one to misbehave on the sidelines, but he is not in balance. You know, I've never heard him, never seen him this angry and annoyed as he is at Napoli.
00:30:48
Speaker
And it's clear that there's something not working there. And he's not happy with how things are handled. And I don't think it's just a club. I don't think it's just the Serie A or the referees or the dressing room not being ready. He's not in balance.
00:31:06
Speaker
he's not how he usually is and I think that that that is a cause for concern but at the same time if there's one thing we know about Ancelotti it's that the players he coaches love him they absolutely love him you know just to quote Ibrahimovic called him like a second father so you know I think they will go out and fight for him for sure but this this is as you say impossible to predict but one thing I do predict is
00:31:31
Speaker
is goals. I think this is going to be one of those crazy matches at the Olympics that can end three, three, four, four. You know what I mean? Like it can go. It can really, really go go into a goal fest, especially with with Roma playing the way they do and Napoli playing the way they do. I mean, Roma have become a really good counter attack team and Napoli are a team that likes to impose their presence and pressure and hold the ball and roll out their opponent. So I think this this could end in either, you know, this could end
00:32:02
Speaker
This is a really open game. And we just got word that Ancelotti will be suspended for the match of the weekend against Roma, so he will be watching from the stands. Moving up north, Chloe, we have Torino, Juve, and Torino. I believe, are they the first one of the season, the first club of the season to go into Ritiro, one of the most beautiful Italian traditions, which
00:32:29
Speaker
For those who, you know, they're not that familiar with the city and they're listening to us. Chloe, how could you describe it other than generally going into Ritido? I don't know if anybody has kept these statistics on it, but I don't think there is much of a correlation between results and going into Ritido.
00:32:49
Speaker
No. And so, in your right ear, they tend to sort of shut themselves off from the outside world. And it's a time when they can focus on sort of team building. And if there's been a crisis, they can try and get to the bottom of what's gone wrong. They stay together for this period of time. They don't go home after training. But I thought... Yeah, it's basically like living in uni for a week. Yeah.
00:33:17
Speaker
I was going to say that. It's like returning back to university for a week. Hopefully without the wild partying, I don't think that's quite the idea. No, no, no, that's true.
00:33:33
Speaker
How do you see this one going, though? Because Torino, they were good to begin the season. They have looked dreadful. Meanwhile, Juve, while we have already discussed how they haven't looked that convincing in their performances, they still continue to get the results. So I assume you believe that Juve continues this? Yeah, I mean, it's probably the worst time for Torino to
00:33:55
Speaker
face Juve because they lost 4-0 against Lazio and interestingly Stefano Pioli says that he doesn't believe in Rottiro now because all players do is look at him and they're friends so they don't talk to each other anyway so I don't think maybe the Torino Rottiro won't be so effective but no I can't
00:34:18
Speaker
You know, at the moment, I can't really see anything other than a UVA win. In, you know, previously under Matt Sarri, he's got, you know, last season they did ever so well, they conceded very, very few goals. But this year it's, for whatever reason, it's not really working. So, yeah, it's a very bad time to face UVA and I can't, I can't.
00:34:41
Speaker
unless this material put some kind of miraculous effect, I can't really predict anything other than a UFO win. Yeah, I think it's looking more and more, I mean you can see more and more the Di Bala Ronaldo partnership coming together and I think this, you know, Ronaldo, he still scores from the spot or whatever but I think that it's going to look
00:35:05
Speaker
It's gonna be like that, in Swedish we call it the ketchup effect. When you got a bottle of ketchup and you're shaking it trying to get it all, then all of a sudden it all comes out at once. I think against Torino side, especially this Torino side.
00:35:19
Speaker
Mazzari, the wheels have come off here. I've seen this movie before, I think that this is, it's not working. They can, they have read his tactics. The opposition can easily walk through it and they can probably, they'll probably destroy Torino, I think. And I think that Mazzari is probably the next
00:35:41
Speaker
if not the next one, then within the next two of the ones to face the chopping block. Ah. The other big match now, in fairness, we are recording this before Milan face Spal. So maybe that will have some effect on how we feel the potential outcome of this one may be affected. But Lazio, they host, or I'm sorry, Lazio, they go to Milan. Chloe Niem, I know both of you are big Pioli fans.
00:36:09
Speaker
Chloe, I know you are also a big, big, big, big, Simone Nzagi fan. So this is like a derby for your two of your favorite managers. No, I like Chloe as a human being. I'm not so keen on Nzagi, is it? Well, this is a weird one because we talk about not knowing what to expect.
00:36:28
Speaker
Lazio is another one. You just have no idea what you are going to get from them, weekend in and weekend out. You have no idea what sort of performance to expect. You have no... I mean, that goal from a Cerrabi... Oh my God! Yeah, that was incredible! I mean, no, but one thing you can expect when Lazio plays is that Chiromí Móbile would at least score one goal, because this is insane. He scored 12 now in 10 games. If he continues like this, that record from Higuain is gonna go...
00:36:56
Speaker
He's going to smoke it because it's crazy how lethal he is and how he gets into those positions and he scores. This is a guy who's already won the Capo Canyon twice. I think we need to start respecting Chiro much more.
00:37:13
Speaker
No, I disagree. I absolutely disagree. I have to say he's replaced Edin Jeko as my most frustrating striker to watch ever because against Fiorentina he was offside, offside, offside. In positions where he
00:37:35
Speaker
didn't need to be offside he could have been onside and then all of a sudden he clicks into gear and scores goals and it's as an opposition fan watching the game it's incredibly frustrating to see this kind of lazy disinterested player for so much of the game then suddenly spark into life and score goals it's very very strange but now I do think you're right Nima in all seriousness I think that we should maybe take him a little bit more seriously because he is
00:38:02
Speaker
you know, for whatever he plays like for 85 minutes, for five minutes, he's brilliant and he's scrolling the globe. Well, if I wanted this podcast to go an additional hour, I would ask both of you if you believe he should start for the Azzurri. But no, since I want to keep this under four hours, I mean, you want to talk about one of the most polarizing debates.
00:38:29
Speaker
This is the one, because I feel like there is no middle ground for that one. You either are a definitive yes or a definitive no when it comes to that question. So I will... Well, Nima already said no. So Chloe, since I already opened it. I'm a no, I'm a no.
00:38:45
Speaker
No, not starting. I think he's a great player to have on as a substitute when you're chasing a goal because of the fact that he's an opportunist. He's a striker that takes shots whenever he sees them, whenever he gets a look on goal, he fires on. But I don't think he should be a striker. I think Andrea Bellotti is the best striker that Italy can hope for. He suits that system perfectly.
00:39:11
Speaker
uh and and so no i i want no no no i i like as i said respect him you should be part of the squad but no way is he replacing below we've already declared the the surya show position yeah and and listen there are some players and and that's honestly that's no knock on him as a player i think he's fantastic i mean his goal scoring record in the league speaks for itself but there are some players just for some reason
00:39:36
Speaker
when they put on the shirt for their national team, it just doesn't come off for them. I mean, we could talk about, I mean, for Italy, I mean, you can find dozens, dozens, dozens. England, all the, oh, so many countries. I mean, I remember Andy Cole scoring gajillion goals in the English league. And as soon as he put on the England shirt, he just, it was so heavy.
Immobile's National Team Challenges?
00:40:00
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He looked like
00:40:01
Speaker
he was carrying, I don't know, a bicycle on his shoulders whilst running. It's funny how national teams can weigh you down sometimes like that. There's so many examples of that. But with Immogale he seems to have found a good environment for him at Lazio. He went to Germany and Spain and did nothing.
00:40:26
Speaker
He's clearly somebody that needs to be in the right environment to be able to flourish and I think that is a mentality thing and he clearly is not a massively adaptable player to different circumstances and I think the Italy team is probably one of those circumstances that he's just not going to function to his potential in. Before we go, can I please just because I'm obsessed with Sandro Tonali,
00:40:55
Speaker
If you have a chance to watch this kid do it, you won't be sorry. Chances are you'll be happy and you'll hear angels singing in the background because this guy is poetry in motion. And Brescia are playing against Helas Verona away this weekend. Watch it. He's the real deal.
00:41:14
Speaker
He is gorgeous to watch. Just watch it, just watch it. Do me a favor and watch Sandro Tonali. And before I sign off, I'm going to say one thing. Keep him in the seria from the love of God. Do not let him go like we did to Varati. Keep him in the league. I honestly do not care who he goes to. Keep him in seria. I mean, Amen.
00:41:39
Speaker
There should be no debate. If we didn't learn from Verati, then... And that Leonardo is already drooling. He was there this past weekend, watching him. Keep his Parisian hands, keep your Parisian hands to yourself. You already got Verati. Leave the boy alone in his motherland. Very protective of Tonali. Do not let him go.
00:42:05
Speaker
I don't I'm also a little bit like that who he goes to his secondary just keep him in the city Yeah, this this kid is is fire. This kid is fire the vision the shooting the movement the physical keep him keep him keep him Keep him in the city. Yeah, you heard it here. All right, everybody until next time. Bye. Bye