In today's episode I talk to Ashley Clark about his new book The World of Black Film: A Journey Through Cinematic Blackness in 100 Films [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/the-world-of-black-film-a-journey-through-cinematic-blackness-in-100-films-with-a-foreword-by-john-akomfrah-ashley-clark/5e4d52d0512161d9?ean=9781529438253&bkshp-astro=t] (2026) as well as Julie Dash's canonical film Daughters of the Dust [https://player.bfi.org.uk/subscription/film/watch-daughters-of-the-dust-1991-online]. 

Ashley Clark is a writer, broadcaster, and film programmer. He has organized numerous film seasons at international venues including London's BFI Southbank, New York's Museum of Modern Art, the Brooklyn Academy of Music, and Toronto's TIFF Lightbox. His writing has appeared in The Guardian, Reverse Shot, Sight & Sound, and Film Comment, and he is the author of two books: Facing Blackness: Media and Minstrelsy in Spike Lee's Bamboozled (2015); and The World of Black Film: A Journey Through Cinematic Blackness in 100 Films (2026). Ashley was born in London, lives in Jersey City, and works in New York City, where he has been the curatorial director of the Criterion Collection since 2020.Episode notes:

 * Julie Dash, Illusions (1982)

Book recs:

 * Keith Ridgway, A Shock
 * Amy Sall, The African Gaze: Photography, Cinema, and Power
 * Patrick Radden Keefe, London Falling: A Mysterious Death in a Gilded City and a Family's Search for Truth

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Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 38. Ashley Clark, The World of Black Film / Daughters of the Dust 

In today's episode I talk to Garth Greenwell about his novel Small Rain [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/small-rain-garth-greenwell/f3e947edf1658009?ean=9781509874729&bkshp-astro=t] (2024)

Garth Greenwell is the author of three books, most recently Small Rain, which won the 2025 PEN/Faulkner Award for Fiction and the PEN Oakland Josephine Miles Literary Award. A Guggenheim Fellow, his writing on culture appears widely, including in The New Yorker, The Guardian, Harper’s, and elsewhere; he also writes the Substack newsletter To a Green Thought. He is a Distinguished Writer in Residence at New York University.

Episode notes:

 * Close reading of Raven Leilani's Luster
 * George Oppen, 'Stranger's Child'
 * T.J. Clark, The Sight of Death: An Experiment in Art Writing

Book recs:

 * Ivana Sajko, Every Time We Say Goodbye

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Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 37. Garth Greenwell, Small Rain 

In today's episode I talk to Ann Morgan about her book Relearning to Read: Adventures in Not Knowing [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/relearning-to-read-adventures-in-not-knowing-ann-morgan/484737f7084aebf8?ean=9781804471326&bkshp-astro=t](2025)

Ann Morgan is an author and speaker based in Folkestone. Her first book, Reading the World, came out of a 2012 project to read a book from every country in a year (ayearofreadingtheworld.com [https://ayearofreadingtheworld.com/]). This sees Ann continuing to blog about international literature, and corresponding and collaborating with writers, readers and literary organisations around the world to champion the sharing of stories underrepresented in mainstream anglophone publishing. Ann is also the author of two novels, international bestseller Beside Myself and Crossing Over. Her latest non-fiction book, Relearning to Read: Adventures in Not-Knowing (Renard Press, 2025), explores the unlearning that armchair travel requires, and celebrates how embracing incomprehension can help us read ourselves and our world better.

Book recs:

 * Tété-Michel Kpomassie, Michel the Giant: An African in Greenland (trans. James Kirkup and Ross Schwartz) 
 * Solvej Balle, On the Calculation of Volume (trans. Barbara J. Haveland)

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Follow Ann on Instagram (@ayearofreadingtheworld), bluesky (@annmorgan.bsky.social) or at https://ayearofreadingtheworld.com. 

Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 36. Ann Morgan, Relearning to Read: Adventures in Not Knowing

In today's episode I talk to Ashton Politanoff about his 2026 novel, Dad Had a Bad Day. 

Ashton Politanoff is a frequent contributor to NOON, edited by Diane Williams. His writing has also appeared or is forthcoming in McSweeney’s, Southwest Review, Conjunctions, New York Tyrant, Egress, and elsewhere. He is a former division I tennis player and his childhood coach was Robert Lansdorp, who is credited with coaching Pete Sampras, Tracy Austin, and Maria Sharapova. His novel Dad Had a Bad Day is forthcoming Spring/Summer 2026 from Astra House (US) and Daunt Books (UK). Politanoff’s first novel, You’ll Like It Here, was published by Dalkey Archive in 2022. He is an English Professor at Cypress College.

Book recs:

 * Damon Galgut, The Promise
 * Tana French, The Searcher

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Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 35. Ashton Politanoff, Dad Had a Bad Day 

In today's episode I talk to Carys Davies about her novel Clear [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/clear-carys-davies/7591882?ean=9781803510422&next=t]. 

Carys Davies is the author of three novels and two collections of short stories. Her debut novel West was shortlisted for the Rathbones Folio Prize, runner-up for the Society of Authors' McKitterick Prize, and winner of the Wales Book of the Year for Fiction. Her second novel The Mission House was The Sunday Times 2020 Novel Of The Year. Her latest novel Clear won the 2025 Royal Society of Literature Ondaatje Prize, the 2025 Prix du Meilleur Livre Étranger, and the 2025 Wales Book of the Year, and has been nominated for many others, including the Walter Scott Prize, Scotland’s National Book Award, the Prix Femina, the Prix Médicis, and the Europese Literatuurprijs.

Her short story collection The Redemption of Galen Pike won the Frank O'Connor International Short Story Award and the Jerwood Fiction Uncovered Prize. She is also the recipient of the Royal Society of Literature's V.S. Pritchett Prize, the Society of Authors' Olive Cook Short Story Award and a Cullman Fellowship at the New York Public Library. She is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature and a 2025/26 Fellow at Columbia University’s Institute for Ideas and Imagination in Paris. Born in Wales, she grew up there and in the Midlands, lived and worked for twelve years in New York and Chicago, and now lives in Edinburgh.

Episode notes:

 * Elizabeth McCracken, A Long Game

Book recs:

 * Sylvia Townsend Warner, Mr Fortune's Maggot
 * Jessica Francis Kane, Fonseca 

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Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 34. Carys Davies, Clear 

In today's episode I walk to Oluwaseun Olayiwola about his poem 'Strange Beach' (the first one) from the book of the same name [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/strange-beach-oluwaseun-olayiwola/7741269?ean=9781804271551&next=t].

Oluwaseun (Seun) Olayiwola is a poet, critic, choreographer and performer based in London. His creative and critical work has been published in The Poetry Review, PN Review, The Telegraph, the TLS and elsewhere. His choreographic work has been presented at the V&A, The Place, The Central School of Ballet, and Studio Voltaire. He’s been commissioned by RSL, Ledbury Poetry Festival, Southwark Council, and Studio 3 Arts. Seun has an MFA in Choreography from the Trinity Laban Conservatoire of Music and Dance, where he was a Fulbright Scholar in 2018-2019. His debut collection was published by Fitzcarraldo Editions (UK) and Soft Skull Press (US). Since publication, Strange Beach has won an Eric Gregory Award and was Poetry Book Society Winter 2025 Special Commendation. Seun is an inaugural member of the Rose Choreographic School at Sadlers Wells East. He is a lecturer in dance in the Kingston School of Art and Fellow of the Higher Education Academy.

Episode notes: 

 * Jorie Graham, 'Le Manteau De Pascal'
 * Negative Capability (Keats)
 * Claudia Rankine, Citizen
 * Alexis Pauline Gumbs, Spill
 * Christina Sharpe, In the Wake
 * Victoria Adukwei Bulley, 'The Ultra-Black Fish' [https://zencastr.com/z/A4HYRgcs]
 * Louise Glück
 * Robin Coste Lewis, Voyage of the Sable Venus
 * Maggie Nelson, Bluets 
 * Adam Phillips, The Life You Want 

Book recs:

 * Claudia Rankine, Triage [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/triage-truth-art-and-fiction-claudia-rankine/3484f5f530eb993c?ean=9780241828564&next=t]
 * Christina Sharpe, Ordinary Notes [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/ordinary-notes-christina-sharpe/7448029?ean=9781914198144&next=t]
 * Carmen Maria Machado, In the Dream House [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/in-the-dream-house-a-memoir-carmen-maria-machado/364838?ean=9781788162258&next=t]
 * Leo Bersani and Adam Phillips, Intimacies [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/intimacies-leo-bersani/2765997?ean=9780226043456&next=t] 

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Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 33. Oluwaseun Olayiwola, 'Strange Beach'

In today's episode I talk to Kai Spellmeier about his new novel Boy Friends [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/boy-friends-kai-spellmeier/7982020?ean=9781526693549&next=t] (Bloomsbury 2026).

Kai Spellmeier is a German author currently living in England. He has published several books in Germany, including YA novels and non-fiction, and he has been blogging about books on Instagram for many years. Boy Friends is his English language debut.

Book Recs:

 * Nina LaCour, Everything Leads to You
 * Cameron Sullivan, The Red Winter
 * Douglas Stewart, John of John 

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Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 32. Kai Spellmeier, Boy Friends 

In this episode I talk to Madeleine Dunnigan about her novel Jean [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/jean-madeleine-dunnigan/b88216b3b0a83992?ean=9781917092722&next=t] (2026) from Daunt.

Madeleine Dunnigan is a writer and screenwriter from London. She was a Jill Davis Fellow on the MFA at New York University. While there she was awarded a Global Research Initiative Fellowship in Paris. Her first novel, Jean, was published by Daunt Books (UK) and W.W. Norton (US) in 2026 and will be translated into Spanish, German and Italian.

Episode Notes:

 * Seán Hewitt, Open, Heaven (listen to my ep with him [https://zencastr.com/z/vhMtUJvj]); Philippe Besson, Lie With Me; Justin Torres, We the Animals

Book Recs:

 * John McGahern, That They May Face the Rising Sun
 * Louise Kennedy, Trespasses
 * Madeleine Thien, Do Not Say We Have Nothing
 * Susanna Moore, In the Cut
 * Virginia Woolf, The Years
 * Octavia Butler's short stories and manifesto
 * Ocean Vuong, On Earth We're Briefly Gorgeous
 * Yoko Ogawa, Hotel Iris

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Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 31. Madeleine Dunnigan, Jean 

In this episode I talk to Fatima Bhutto about her book The Hour of the Wolf [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/the-hour-of-the-wolf-fatima-bhutto/9822d4c2aef1fdc2?ean=9781917092319&next=t](2026) from Daunt Books.

Fatima Bhutto is the author of the novels The Runaways and the Women’s Prize for Fiction-longlisted The Shadow of the Crescent Moon, and the non-fiction New Kings of the World and Songs of Blood and Sword, which deals with her father’s murder and the Bhutto family’s history in Pakistani politics. Bhutto’s journalism and essays have appeared in the New Statesman, New York Times and Guardian, and elsewhere.

Episode Notes:

 * Carmen Maria Machado, In the Dream House; Annie Ernaux, Simple Passion; Jill Ciment, Half a Life and Consent; Melissa Febos, 'In Defense of Navel Gazing'; Julie Myerson, The Lost Child.

Book Recs:

 * Tareq Baconi, Fire in Every Direction and Hamas Contained
 * Helen Garner, This House of Grief
 * Mary Gaitskill, Veronica
 * Hiba Abu Nada, 'I Grant You Refuge' [https://proteanmag.com/2023/11/03/i-grant-you-refuge/]

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Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 30. Fatima Bhutto, The Hour of the Wolf 

In this episode I talk to Robert Douglas-Fairhurst about his nonfiction book Look Closer: How to Get More Out of Reading [https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/look-closer-how-to-get-more-out-of-the-books-you-love-robert-douglas-fairhurst/7824593?ean=9781911717317&next=t] (2025).

Robert Douglas-Fairhurst was born in 1968 and lives in Oxford, where he is a Professor of English Literature and a Fellow of Magdalen College. His most recent books are Look Closer: How to Get More Out of Reading (2025) and Metamorphosis: a Life in Pieces (2023). Previous books include The Turning Point: A Year that Changed Dickens and the World (2021) The Story of Alice: Lewis Carroll and the Secret History of Wonderland (2015) and Becoming Dickens: The Invention of a Novelist (2011). His other publications include Victorian Afterlives (2002), and editions of A Christmas Carol, Great Expectations, London Labour and the London Poor, The Water-Babies, and The Collected Peter Pan for Oxford World’s Classics, and A Tale of Two Cities for Norton. He is a regular reviewer and features writer for publications including the Times, Spectator, and Literary Review. He has worked as a historical consultant on BBC adaptations of Jane Eyre (2006), Emma (2009), and Great Expectations (2011), the 20-part BBC1/Red Planet series Dickensian (2015-16) and the Netflix feature films Enola Holmes (2019) and Enola Holmes 2 (2022). In 2015 he was elected a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature.

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Produced, hosted, and edited by Chris Lloyd [https://www.instagram.com/chrisllloyd9].

Ep. 29. Robert Douglas-Fairhurst, Look Closer: How to Get More Out of Reading

Books Up Close is a show for writers, readers, and anyone who wants to know how texts get made. Listen as writer and academic Chris Lloyd performs a 'close reading' of some writing with the author themselves.

Books Up Close: The Podcast