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Gissele: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion Podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content.

Gissele: Today we’ll be chatting with Deidre Harris, who is a national leadership in highly effective teams development trainer and coach. She supports educational programs looking to enhance their administrative staff’s leadership skills and their teaching teams levels of effectiveness.

Gissele: Please join me in welcoming Deidre.

Deidre: Hi.

Gissele: Hi. Hello. Welcome to the show. Oh,

Deidre: thank you for inviting me.

Gissele: Oh, thank you so much for being here. This is definitely a topic of interest for me. I was wondering if you could tell the audience a little bit about how you got into this work.

Deidre: Oh my gosh. To make a long story, very short that I’ve just been working in the education field for over 35 years [00:01:00] and through all of my very.

Deidre: Various different positions. You know, leadership has just been coming up over and over and over again. And, and what does that look like? As a teacher working with children or as an assistant supporting that teacher or as a director or principal supporting staff. And so no matter what position I was in or what I was doing, leadership was just always, at the foundation of everything we did. So as I stepped out to do my own work, it just kept coming up more and more, and so I said, okay, there’s a need. Let me get out there and help to address it.

Gissele: Wonderful. Wonderful. And what were some of the biggest leadership challenges you saw in the education system?

Deidre: Well, gosh, I have to start with myself, Gissele right? So how did leadership show up in me? And a lot of times we kind of think about it and put it under the category of professionalism, but leadership. Actually goes [00:02:00] beyond professionalism to to be professional, to to show up with that hat, to do the work that you are hired to do in a manner that you know, that gives great outcomes for everybody.

Deidre: That’s just one piece of it. When I go in and I talk about leadership, it’s really about mindset. And so I actually had to work on my own set. Who am I as a leader? And how do I get to show up in that leadership to, you know, to actually, again, get those outcomes that I’m looking for. And so, as I was, you know, as I started doing this work among myself, like I mentioned earlier, I started seeing it.

Deidre: Elsewhere. And what I notice is that again, well, the biggest challenge, or the thing that I notice the most is everybody attributes leadership to a title.

Gissele: Mm. Right? Mm-hmm. So yeah, you’re

Deidre: either your administrator or like I said before. You’re a director or a principal or, you know, sit [00:03:00] somewhere where leadership is part of your, your title in the sense of authority.

Deidre: And so that’s, I would say one of my, my biggest challenges and, and what I noticed and again, what’s, you know, motivated me to do this work because leadership, we’re all leaders. You know, regardless of our title, regardless of what we do, and because I have that belief, then going out there and helping people to see their leadership and then to start standing in their leadership, that’s, that’s been my ongoing challenge in work.

Gissele: Hmm.

Deidre: Yeah.

Gissele: Thank you for that. Thank you

Ep. 85 – Educating from the Inside Out: Leadership, Self-Worth, and Compassion with Deidre Harris

Gissele: [00:00:00] With Martin Luther King, Jr Wright, does love have the power to turn an enemy into a friend?

Gissele: Does it have the power to heal? we’re creating an inspiring documentary, courage to love the Power of Compassion, which explores their extraordinary stories of those who have chosen to do the unthinkable, love and forgive even those who are most hurtful. Through their journeys, we will uncover the profound impact of forgiveness and love.

Gissele: Have not only of those offering it, but also on those receiving it.

 In addition, we’ll hear from experts who will explore whether love and compassion are part of our human nature. And how we can bridge divides with those with disagree with. If you’d like to support our film, please donate a www M-A-I-T-R-I-C-E-N-T-R e.com/documentary.

Gissele: That’s maitricentre.com/documentary. Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion [00:01:00] Podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content. Today we’re talking about how love binds us with others, including those of crossed over.

Gissele: We’ll be talking with Rebecca Schaper about communicating with animals on the other side after the sudden and unexpected passing of Rebecca Schaper dog’s. Gus. She consulted animal communicator Sonny Mann, beginning a lengthy and revealing correspondence.

Gissele: Sonny reported her dialogue with Gus in the afterlife at various times throughout the next year. This moving story includes the transcripts of those psychic sessions, along with Rebecca’s notes from her daily journal as she responds to both the earthly and spiritual guidance from Gus. His spirit describes his life in both worlds.

Gissele: He urges her to embrace fully her life contract as a Shamaic practitioner and healer. Please join me in [00:02:00] welcoming Rebecca.

Gissele: Hi, Rebecca. Hi.

Rebecca: Thank you so much for having me. I’m looking forward to this wonderful conversation.

Gissele: Thank you so much for being on the show. Can you tell our listeners a little bit about how you started this journey of, communicating with Gus on the other side.

Rebecca: Sure. 2023. My dog Gus died unexpectedly on December 7th. Mm-hmm. he was six years old. He was my co-pilot. He was definitely my soul dog. It was as though we knew each other in the past life and we communicated to each other telepathically, and of course it broke my heart wide open. To the point where I was worse than losing my parents by suicide and.

Rebecca: I’ve never felt grief like that in my life. So in January of [00:03:00] 2024, which was a month after he had passed away, I decided to reach out to a pet communicator because I knew I needed help. and I knew I could not do this on my own. Normally, I can work through situations. I’ve had some real trauma in my life, which I’m grateful for.

Rebecca: because it’s definitely led me to a lot of love and compassion like your show. But I knew at this point I definitely needed help. So I communicated with Sonny, asked her if she’d be willing to communicate with my dog, Guss. And what she would do is she would, go into some type of trance is the correct.

Rebecca: Word to use, but she was just able to have that strong telepathic connection and she would ask him questions. And then after she was done, I mean it wore her out. She told me, she said, it’s [00:04:00] very taxing on the body. And so after she was done with that first session. I was blown away with what, with what

Ep. 84 – Love Without End: Animals, Mental Illness, and Life Beyond Death with Rebecca Schaper

Gissele: [00:00:00] was Martin Luther King, Jr. Wright, does love have the power to transform an enemy into a friend. We’re currently working on a documentary showcasing people doing extraordinary things such as loving. Those who are most hurtful in this documentary will showcase extraordinary stories of forgiveness, reconciliation, and transformation.

You’d like to find out more about our documentary, www M-A-I-T-R-I-C-E-N-T-R-E com slash documentary.

 Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion Podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content. Today we’re talking with Larry Rosen about whether enemies can come together in dialogue.

Larry is the founder of a mediation law practice. Through understanding he has helped thousands craft enduring solutions to [00:01:00] crippling conflicts, millions have watched this popular TEDx talk with secret understanding humans whose insights informs the enemy’s project. From 2024, Larry completed writing the novel, the Enemy Dance, posing the question, must the society riven by tribalism descend into war or can it heal itself?

Larry is a graduate of UCLA School of Law, where he served as editor of the Law Review and received numerous academic awards. Growing up, Larry was both the bully and the bullied. The one who was cruel and the one who was kind, he was sometimes popular. And sometimes friendless. He had many fist fights with kids who became his friends.

He had his very own chair at the principal’s office. He believes that his peacemaking today is born out of the callousness and empathy that he knew as childhood. [00:02:00] Please join me in welcoming Larry.

Hi,

Larry.

Larry: Hi there. That, it’s funny because that la last piece that you read about my, you know, the, the principal’s office that’s on my website, I’ve never had someone read that back to me and it brought me a little bit to tears, like, oh, that poor kid.

Yeah, I, I don’t hear that very often. So anyway,

Gissele: yeah. Oh, I really loved it when I saw it, and I could relate to it because I’ve also been both. when we hurt other people, we wanna be forgiven, but when people hurt us, you don’t always wanna forgive, right?

Mm-hmm. So it gives you the different perspective. I’m so thrilled to have you on the show. And how I actually came to know about your project is, so I’m a professor at a university and I teach research and ethics. And, what I had discovered about my students is that many of them don’t come with the ability to do the critical thinking, to be able to hold both sides.

Many of them come thinking there’s gotta be a right answer, and there’s a right way of doing things. Just tell us what the answer is. [00:03:00] And so for my students, I get them to write a paper where they tell me the things they feel really strongly about.

Then they’re researching the opposing perspective using credible sources. because trolls are easy to dismiss, right? So credible sources, the opposing perspective, and then they are supposed to, so tell me what are their main points? You know, like why do they believe what they do? And and are you really that different?

Right? And then the last part of the paper is. Talk about the emotions you feel and throughout the year I prepare them in terms of being able to handle it. So I teach them mindfulness, I teach them self-compassion so that they can hold because it’s really difficult to hold posing perspective. What? It’s research and ethics.

 I do it for my, ’cause one of my research interests is compassion. And so, and I was a director of one of the departments I had was hr. And wh

Ep. 83 – The Enemies Project: How to Have More Compassion In a Divided World

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Gissele: Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion Podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content.

Today we’re talking with Barry Adkins after losing his 18-year-old son, Kevin, to alcohol poisoning. Barry saw that he had two choices. He could curl up in the corner and allow himself to become a victim, or he could get out and tell as many people as possible about what happened to his son, Kevin.

Barry chose the latter in an effort to raise awareness of the dangers of binge drinking. Barry set out on an Epic 1400 mile journey on foot from Arizona to Montana. His son’s ashes in his backpack, stopping at numerous schools, churches in treatment facilities along the way to share his story. Larry’s presentation describes in powerful detail the night his son died.[00:01:00]

The quiet morning that he got the knock on the door and how he came up with the idea to walk from Arizona to Montana.Barry’s message is both powerful inspiration and a warning about the consequences of even one night of binge drinking.

Barry has shared his story with over 200,000 students and parents. He has been a featured speaker at numerous high schools, community events, and town hall meetings. Barry has also been featured in numerous media outlets, including Reader’s Digest, the Dr. Gina Show and the Leon Fonte Show. Please join me in welcoming Barry.

Hi Barry.

Barry: Oh, thanks for having me on. Gissele

Gissele: Ah, thank you for being on the show.

I was wondering if you could share with the audience a little bit about the story of your son’s passing and how that led you to actually decide to become this powerful messenger on the dangers of pitch drinking.

Barry: Well, Gissele, I probably should start by kind of telling you, you know, what led up to that.

[00:02:00] Yeah, let’s start with that. So he had just graduated from high school. He struggled in high school. He was actually flunking his English class in March of his senior year in high school. And he needed it for graduation, right? Mm-hmm. And I would always talk to him about it and, you know, he would tell me to quit bothering him about it.

He’d take care of it. But at the end of the day, he did graduate, and I remember at his high school graduation ceremony, he gave me a hug and whispered, thanks for not giving up on me, dad.

Gissele: Hmm.

Barry: And shortly thereafter suffice to say he saved up enough money and I agree to co-sign a loan so he could buy a new truck.

And if you have listeners that work at dealerships, I apologize, but I have a healthy dislike for that process, right? Mm-hmm. Because they’re gonna try to sell me something I don’t want or need. He found one of the dealerships, so I gotta go in and sign papers, right?

Gissele: Mm-hmm. I

Barry: sit down in the, the dealerships.

You know, in their [00:03:00] office, and the first thing this guy says to me is, how about some life insurance? And I’m like, 18-year-old boys don’t need life insurance. They don’t die. But I was wrong. They do die. He wouldn’t live long enough to make a single payment on that truck. So a few weeks later.

I remember him sitting down in our living room and talking about how he couldn’t believe his life was finally beginning and he wanted to move out, and I did my best to discourage him because we honestly never really had any problems with him. His high school principal didn’t even know who he was. I didn’t have any luck talking out of it.

So a couple weeks later, his buddy Craig came over and they sta

Ep. 82 – Transforming Grief Into Love with Barry Adkins

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Gissele : [00:00:00] Was Martin Luther King Jr. Right? Does love have the power to turn an enemy into a friend? Does it have the power to heal? We are creating an inspiring documentary called Courage to Love. The Power of Compassion explores the extraordinary stories of individuals who have chosen to do the unthinkable, love and forgive even those who have caused the most deep harm.

Through their journeys, we will uncover the profound impact of forgiveness and love, not only on those offering it, but also on those receiving it. In addition, we’ll hear from experts who will explore whether loving compassion are part of our human nature and how we can bridge divides with those we disagree with.

If you’d like to support our film, please donate at www MAI tt R-I-C-E-N-T-R e.com/documentary. [00:01:00] Hello and welcome to The Love and Compassion Podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content.

Today we’re talking about not feeling good enough and what we can do to start feeling better. Our guest today is Sabrina Trobak Based out of Fort St. John BC Canada is a registered clinical counselor and author of the book, not Good enough, understanding Your Core Belief in Anxiety. She’s also a clinical supervisor, public speaker, and holds a master’s degree in counseling psychology.

Before establishing her practice, she dedicated over 20 years to education, serving as a teacher, vice principal, school counselor across three school divisions. Sabrina, has extensive training in addressing trauma in its effects on daily life, [00:02:00] including anxiety and the core beliefs.

Of not being good enough, not important, not valued. Her counseling agency Trobak. Holistic counseling aims to help individuals identify, challenge, and transform these core beliefs into being good enough, important enough, and value. Please join me in welcoming Sabrina. Hi, Sabrina.

Sabrina: Hi. Nice to be here.

It’s nice to meet you.

Gissele : Oh, nice to meet you too. Thank you for being on the show. I was wondering if you could start by telling the audience what sort of led you to do this sort of work?

Sabrina: I always wanted to be a teacher, you know, even in kindergarten, I was the kindergartner helper that helped other kids tie their shoes.

Just was always something I wanted to do is be a teacher. Towards the end of my teaching career, I was a school counselor. And even as a teacher, I was a learning assistant teacher, so I did a lot of work in smaller groups, working more individually with students. So you get [00:03:00] to create a much deeper connection because you’re working one-on-one as opposed to a class size of, you know, 25, 30, 35, whatever it might be.

And so then I went into counseling. Same thing. You really get to build that relationship. And then I went to a workshop on suicide. That was looking at suicide, more of a symptom of that core belief. Feeling not good enough. Not important, not valued. At the end of the workshop, I just thought, this is what I need to do.

So the presenter, Tony Martins taught me his model of therapy. I quit teaching and started my own private practice, which really uses that as the focus point. So really going back and helping people understand and support and challenge that core belief. I started my own private practice in 2010.

And within about six months I had a waiting list and I hated having to turn people away. The model I practice where we’re really addressing that core belief is a long-term model of [00:04:00] therapy. So a lot of my clients are with me a year and a half, two years, sometimes even longer. And so I decided to write the book not g

Ep. 81 – Why We Feel “Not Good Enough” with Sabrina Trobak

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Gissele : [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion Podcast with Gissele.  We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content. Today we’re talking to Krysti Beckett, who’s a passionate plus size personal trainer and pelvic fitness specialist.

Her goal is to get moms to move with confidence and build strength at any size without worrying about their size or weight. Krysti resides in Burford, Ontario with her husband, three children and beloved dog Ozzy. Please join me in welcoming Krysti Hi Krysti.

Krysti Beckett: Hi. Thanks so much for having me.

Gissele : No, thank you for being with us.

I wanted to ask you if you could tell the audience how you got started in this business that you’re in.

Krysti Beckett: Yeah, I mean, as a young person, fitness was not [00:01:00] really on my radar. I’ve been a plus size my whole life, but I actually was a nanny in my early twenties and one of the women I was a nanny for had a fitness business and she said, you know, you’d be really good at this.

So I kind of started doing admin work and then I got certified as an instructor and really like, found movement that I liked. ’cause I think for a lot of women I grew up. Just doing fitness, like you exercise to be skinny. And it had to be hard and it had to be uncomfortable. But I kind of fell in love with it, trying different things and decided that that was the career path I would take.

So I became a personal trainer and I kind of did follow the grain for a long time with the fitness industry and selling weight loss and teaching people how to basically always be on the journey to lose weight And then I kind of understood and, and saw some research that showed that [00:02:00] most diets are actually designed to fail.

That’s how we make our money. And started to learn more about. The benefits of strength training for longevity to relieve pain. the benefits for your bones, all sorts of things that have nothing to do with the scale whatsoever. And through that, also becoming a mother at the, around the same time learning about pelvic health.

So as a pelvic fitness specialist, I’m working with women to overcome things like pain, leaking, painful sex something called prolapse, where your pelvic floor, if it’s not supportive enough, the organs can actually descend from your body. And it’s actually fairly common, but it’s, it’s something we just don’t talk about enough.

Gissele : Mm mm I love everything you just said.

Krysti Beckett: Thanks.

Gissele : The first thing is really that, you know, reflecting on as a society we’re very plus size phobic, right? Like we, we think that skinny is the place to [00:03:00] be in. When you think about. You know how much we try to get everyone to fit in a box, right? Even like plastic surgery, everything.

Everybody has the same nose, everybody has the same face, everybody has to have the same body, and that is such a disservice. What sort of messaging did you see around the fitness industry about people embracing their own sort of like body shape?

Krysti Beckett: So unfortunately, I think the industry as a whole doesn’t, if you were to Google Fitness, if you were to Google Gym, you’ll find young, white, thin bodies.

 that’s the general representation that comes to the fitness industry. But it’s interesting because first of all, we white people, I mean, I’m a white person. We are the global minority. It’s people of color, the global majority, and yet this [00:04:00] industry has only reflected that in, you know, visually esp

Ep. 80 – From Shame to Strength: Women’s Health, Pelvic Power & Compassionate Weight Loss with Krysti Beckett

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Gissele: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion Podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content today. We’re wondering can we be trained to be more compassionate?

And our guest today is Dr. Olga Klimecki who is a neuroscientist and a psychologist who earned her doctorate degree in the University of Zurich Olga’s, a psychologist and neuroscientist who’s interested in understanding the neural mechanisms that shape our social emotions in adaptive ways. Her doctoral research investigated neural behavior and emotional plasticity induced by training social emotions like compassion and empathy.

The results of these longitudinal studies in adults provided evidence for the plasticity of social emotions spanning the levels of neural function, emotional resilience, and helping behavior are her current interests include meditation and [00:01:00] promoting conflict resolution through compassion. Please join me in welcoming the amazing Dr.

Olga Klimecki. Hi Olga.

Dr. Klimecki: Hi. Thank you for having me here. Thank you for the invitation.

Gissele: Oh, thank you for being on the show. I’ve been a big fan of your work for a very, very long time. I was so excited when you published with Tanya Singer, your work on the difference between, empathetic distress and compassion and all of the work that you’re doing on aging.

I mean, it’s just, it’s just phenomenal work. I was wondering if you could tell the listeners what actually got you started on your journey. Like, what drew you to study empathy and compassion?

Dr. Klimecki: Yeah. Thank you for the question. it’s a longer journey. It’s started in my student years. I had a friend who was meditating and I found that idea of going to a place and being silent for a week.

Very intriguing and I felt like trying it out myself. And so with my background [00:02:00] interest in psychology and in neuroscience, I finally found a PhD possibility where I could study not only. Psychological mechanisms and the brain, but also with a link to meditation, which I found very exciting. And even though in the beginning of my PhD I tried out different forms of socio-emotional training, including nonviolent communication and others, I was most drawn to the meditation indeed, which I started at the same time practicing meditation as I started investigating meditation.

So That’s

Gissele: beautiful

Dr. Klimecki: background story. Yeah.

Gissele: in terms of your research, how have you found that meditation has helped you

 has your meditation practice helped you understand some of the findings

Dr. Klimecki: Yeah, definitely. I think it’s really interwoven.

Like sometimes I get ideas through the practice.

Gissele: And also about the [00:03:00] limitations. And sometimes the research I read or I do also informs me about potential limitations. For instance, what I learned from the research, which something I cannot never learn from my own practice, is the diversity of responses in our different participants.

Dr. Klimecki: So in the papers, we always report mean results, whereas the diversity of how people experience it. It’s very large. So in all our studies, there are people who improve, who get worse, who don’t change much. And working with the participants, I really got to hear their different stories, their different angles.

And over time, I, because we all go through different stages in life, I also experienced some of these benefits. Sometimes I experienced some of the adverse effects of me

Ep.79 – Can We Be Trained To Be More Compassionate? Conversation with Dr. Olga Klimecki

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Gissele: was Martin Luther King Jr. right? does love have the power to turn an enemy into a friend? Does it have the power to heal? This year, we’re creating an inspiring documentary called Courage to Love The Power of Compassion, which explores the extraordinary stories of those who have chosen to do the unthinkable, love and forgive even those who have caused them deep harm.

Through their journeys, we will uncover the profound impact of forgiveness and love, not only to those offering it, but also on those receiving it. In addition, we’ll hear from experts who will explore whether love and compassion part of our human nature, and how we can bridge divides with those we disagree with.

If you’d like to support our film, please donate at www [00:01:00] maitricentre.com/documentary. That’s Maitricentre documentary. Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion Podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content.

Today we’re talking about the power of play in relationships, and we’re chatting with Peter Anderson. Peter Anderson is our relationship mentor performer, an author of the Playful Couple love, laughter, and lasting con connection. He helps couples rediscover the joy, spontaneity, and emotional safety that keep love vibrant, growing on decades of coaching.

Neuroscience, improv theater and therapy tools like IFS and Holy Vagal Theory. He teaches partners how to transform communication, reignite intimacy, and co-create a playful, passionate bond. His journey spans from professional dance and comedy [00:02:00] improv to transformational leadership coaching, all of which now fuel the playful couple experience.

He believes love isn’t something you manage, it’s something you create moment to moment through laughter, curiosity, and trust. Whether helping partners shift from conflict into connection or routine into romance, he loves sharing practical, heartfelt tools that invite couples to fall in love again with each other and with life.

Please join me in welcoming Peter. Hi Peter.

Peter: Hello. Thank you so much for having me. A lovely introduction.

Gissele: Thank you so much for being on the show. I really appreciate it. can you start by telling the audience a little bit about how you got started in this work?

Peter: Well, I suppose I’ve always been interested in the physicality, the connection with the body and that drew me to become a professional dancer and how that [00:03:00] connection, although on a performance level could really give to an audience somehow internally.

I didn’t quite have that wisdom yet. And as I went on and I had relationships that were very, fun, exciting, playful relationships, but there was a loneliness in there, a sense of, holding back that I wasn’t completely safe to be who I truly was. And to get to that point when I had to untangle many different, avenues within my own self.

And that led me to studying NLP, mindfulness,nonviolent communication, timeline therapy, Thai massage, craniosacral therapy. I just went just, I was like, I have to figure this out, because I felt that there was, in my family environment, which was very caring, there was an element missing that my mom and father weren’t really in love.

[00:04:00] And if that was my education, how do I go and find that for myself? There was something that was missing that I needed to untangle. And so. As I went along, I was doing the coaching for people and individual coaching. I did business coaching. I had events and networks and, and they were, they were fulfilling, but something I wasn’t really firing from my deep heart passion.

Mm-hmm. And it’s when I did the w

Ep.78 – Choosing Play in Relationships: From Conflict to Connections with Peter Anderson

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Gissele: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our worlds. Today we have Britton and Carolee back, and they’re talking to us about the education system.

Hello. Welcome back. Welcome back. Hi. Good to see you. Hello. Good. It’s been forever. It’s been, I know, it’s been like so long. I was wondering if you could start by telling the audience a little bit about yourselves and how you sort of left your world, decided to sell everything moved to other countries and what you did with the kids for the school system.

Carolee: Well, we are parents to four children and we were raised in the Mormon culture. And with that there’s a big emphasis and focus on family. Families are really, really important. And so, you know, we went through a lot of turmoil and challenge in regards [00:01:00] to our love relationship within this paradigm.

And truly didn’t actually have emotional intelligence and really lacked a lot of things we had a completely different idea of what we needed to accomplish as parents with our children too. Like everything was drastically different in that paradigm than it is now. So in our journey of healing, infidelity,

Like deconstructing from organized religion. We also had this complete awakening into how we were to raise our children and the paradigm of like what kids actually need as we also were going into healing of our own inner child. Right. As we became aware of the need to reparent ourselves, it fundamentally transformed how we approached parenting our kids.

 I’m curious about what you found you needed to heal your inner child [00:02:00] in what you discovered your children needed that was different from what we currently do.

So back in, oh goodness, it was 2019. You know, at this point in our story we had three children and we had not yet even been pregnant with the fourth. That would come later in 2020. But our oldest was in second.

 grade at this time. And I remember sitting down with his second grade teacher and she started explaining and expressing some awareness that she had of his emotional needs. He was already not liking school. He was already a pushback on learning. There was already some inclination towards depression and anxiety and like just emotional turmoil that this little second grader was experiencing.

And in a lot of ways. It mirrored to me my own disharmony in my own [00:03:00] life that I also had experienced. And so, you know, in the traditional sense I was like, oh, what do I do for my child? I’m really wanting him to succeed. I’m really wanting him to be emotionally intelligent. I’m really wanting him to love his life.

And we had done so much, I was the kind of mom that like, almost didn’t take care of myself because I needed to take care of everybody else first. You know? And so as I sat there, I, I was like, my child is too young to be carrying the heaviness of the world in his body.

Like at, at age eight. He really should actually just be joyful and having fun, like being a kid, why is he so weighed down? So there was this big question mark that I had about my children and about this one child specifically. That really kind of started opening my mind that there needed to be a different way, but, but I wasn’t quite sure what that [00:04:00] looked like.

And so what I did is I, I reached out and, you know, we were living in Utah at the time, and I, I started kind of looking into, okay, where, where are some therapeutic clinics that actually do therapy for kids? And I found a couple that were highly recommended, and I got him on a wait list. You know, there was no availability to like drop in for a session.

And so I put him on the wait list and I was just in th

Ep. 77 – Reimaging Education for Children’s Soul Development

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Carole and Britton Part 1

Britton: [00:00:00]

Gissele: Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content.

Today we’re talking about, dealing with infidelity, with compassion. And my guests are Britton and Carolee Beckham raised in the strict dogma of the Mormon church. and with infidelity threatening their marriage and family, they found themselves at a cliff’s edge Through a deep commitment to heal these two left everything they knew to find themselves.

Over a period of five years, they rebooted their relationship and traveled the world seeking their truth with their four children in tow. They have emerged on the other side as an embodied and awakened couple with a powerful message to share. Please join me in welcoming Britton and Carolee.

Hello. Hi.

Thank you for having us.

Gissele: Oh, no. Thank you for being [00:01:00] on the show. I’m so excited to be talking about this topic because I think it’s a challenging one, especially around how you manage infidelity. Can you start by telling the audience a little bit about how you met and got together and then how kind of the relationship evolved to the point where there was some infidelity?

Carolee: Yeah, so, as you mentioned in the introduction, we were raised Mormon and in the culture of Mormonism there’s a pretty like common pathway of meeting your significant other. And so we met as like most Mormons tend to at a at church. And in the Mormon faith they have something called a singles word where only young single adults attend church together.

And the the main purpose is so that like they can foster the opportunity for young single people to meet and find who they’re gonna marry. So I had graduated from university already when Britton he was a [00:02:00] missionary for the church. And had just gotten back from that mission.

And we went to the same church in Orm, Utah. And we literally met in the, that the first meeting, it’s called Sacrament Meeting. And right after the meeting was over, he came up and introduced himself to me. Do you wanna add anything to that, that first meet?

Britton: There was a little sparkle in her eye when I saw her and the moment that I first saw her there was this like, connection.

I didn’t understand it. I didn’t even know what it meant. It just seemed intriguing. And and so for the first time and the only time I went up and introduced myself immediately to a woman and asked for her her number. So that was, that was how we met at church. That was how we became friends.

Gissele: That’s lovely.

So let’s fast forward a little bit. ’cause you have like four kids now, right? Because Is, yeah. Which is [00:03:00] amazing. Must be a very busy.

I’d like to get to the point where the infidelity happened. Was it that you guys were struggling in the relationship for a while or was it a situation where there was really no signs that, you know, like the relationship seemed to be going okay and then this sort of just happened?

Britton: I wanna actually, let me jump in on that. Yeah, you answered. So I believe the infidelity could be best described as the lack of total commitment from the beginning. part of our healing journey was we came to this point in 2022 where we realized we weren’t all in on each other and we had never been neither one of us.

Carolee: And we were married in 2009. Wow. So that

Gissele: I love that you guys are saying this because I think there’s many people in the relationships that have one foo

Ep.76- Addressing Infidelity with Compassion: Part 1 of a chat with Carolee and Britton

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