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Conversation with Sonny

Gissele: [00:00:00] Hello, and welcome to the Love and Compassion podcast with Giselle. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world.

Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content. Today we’re talking with Sonny Von Cleveland, who is a nationally recognized motivational speaker, author of Hey White Boy, conversations of Redemption, and a leading Voice for Trauma survivors. After overcoming 18 years in prison, in a childhood marked by severe abuse, Sonny now dedicates his life to helping others heal, find purpose, and rise above their past.

Please join me in welcoming Sonny. Hi, Sonny.

Sonny: Hi. Thank you so much for having me. I so greatly appreciate you and thank you for such a wonderful, warm introduction.

Gissele: Thank you. Thank you so much for being on the show. I’m super excited to talk to you. I was wondering if you could tell our listeners a little bit about what led you [00:01:00] to the point where you ended up in solitary confinement.

Sonny: Sure. That was, a domino effect, I suppose, from being in the position that I was in in my life. This was 2008, so I had already had about nine years in prison, goes to 10. it’s just a very angry young man lost in a world of gang banging, self-absorption, you know, self-centeredness.

I had. Just previously found out that my oldest son’s mother started to have an affair with my brother and that they, she was pregnant by him, and that they were going to be taking my son and I wouldn’t be seeing him anymore. And he was gonna raise him as his own. And I really, really worshiped my brother, right?

growing up. It was just he and I in a single mother household. And he was always kind of my protector. And when that happened, I, I don’t [00:02:00] know, it wasn’t about her, it wasn’t about the fact that they were having an affair. it was the betrayal from the one person that meant the most to me, the only family member that I had left.

 you know, there’s a million women in the world. It’s actually 5 billion or so. You know, and he chose that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had to do that. Yeah. And that, you know, like what that, what that does to the kid, to my son. Like the fact that you made my son believe he was, his father until, you know, he was 12 years old.

And it just, it was a conglomerate of all of those things. And then somebody had stolen everything outta my cell at one point while I was at work in the chow hall. I worked in the kitchen, and, I just took my anger out on him. And so it was unfair for him. those circumstances led me to being put into solitary confinement, which ultimately changed my life.

So, in a sense, I’m kind of grateful that my brother did that while it cost me, my son, it gave me the opportunity [00:03:00] to. Be who I am today. It turned completely, turned my life around. Going to segregation at that time. Right? Yeah.

Gissele: Yeah. And my understanding of your story is that you had also been betrayed by other family members, so that must have been particularly difficult in terms of your childhood experiences.

Sonny: It’s a thing. Yeah. You know, my first victimizer was my uncle. growing up losing my whole family because when I had talked about my molestation and my mother had had called the police and turned him in, he was sent to prison for 15 years and, and my whole family fell apart. So, to betrayal from a family member, I would always wanted, family, right?

 the first, you know, 7, 8, 9, 10 years of my life, we had that family structure, right? There was grandma’s house, there was cousins, there was aunts, there was uncles, there was a family. And then after that it

Ep.71- Solitary Confinement Wasn’t the End: How Sonny Found His Way Back to Love

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Gissele: [00:00:00]

Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion Podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content. Today we’re gonna be talking about compassion in the workplace, can we work more humanely.

And our guest today is Dr. Bruno Rocky, Cigna, who is an international business consultant, TEDx speaker and researcher for over 30 years, he has advised and trained hundreds of companies on international trade activities and international marketing.

He also trains companies on topics related to compassionate business and human oriented leadership. He’s a university professor and a senior fellow of the Higher Education Academy in the uk. He’s also author of the Business and Personal Development books published in various languages. The second edition of his [00:01:00] new book, the Art of Compassionate Business, is available now

 Please join me in welcoming Bruno. Hi Bruno.

Hello Gissele. How are you?

Gissele: I’m good about yourself. All the way from the uk. It must be late over there, right?

It’s

Bruno: a bit late. Thank you very much for your invite. I feel very honored to be here. Thank you.

Gissele: Yes, thank you. I’m so excited to chat. Because the state of the economy and the state of business, I feel is a little bit in disarray. Before we get started on that, can you tell the audience a little bit about how you got started in this work?

Bruno: Yeah. Thank you for the question. Yes. I started with this work more than three decades ago. I started as a consultant as an accountant at the beginning, and then as a consultant on international marketing and advise companies on, for example, international negotiation, international marketing strategy, international partnerships and international logistics.

And I have done this for a few decades, and [00:02:00] then I started over the last five, six years, I started working on a specific topic that is a non-traditional topic in business that is compassionate business. I started advising and training companies on how to become much more human oriented. This mean caring for different stakeholders such as employee, customer, community, member supplies, but also.

Being more profitable. So this mean that being profitable is not incompatible with being human oriented. And this gave me a lot of satisfaction because I observe that companies switch from a traditional model of being profit oriented to a much more much wider model, which include not only profit, but include people and the planet.

Gissele: Yeah, I love that you said that because people think it has to be a zero sum game, like one or the other. Right. Profit over people or people over profits. What you’re proposing is that you can do both. Right. So what did you observe that made you think that [00:03:00] compassion was the way.

Bruno: I started researching on this, and at the beginning I read an article that intrigued me a lot and was an article about the human moment at work that, uh, this article talk about, not about the strategies or tactics in business, but they talk about the importance of building a strong relationship with different stakeholders, for example, in the workplace.

Among colleagues, but also with other stakeholders, but also connecting to others in a much deeper way. This mean developing a much more uh, profound connection with others, which include mental and emotional aspect and try to build rapport with them. And this is important for business. And when I start researching on this for a few years, I observed that there is a lot of scientific papers, uh, scientific studies on the importance o

Ep.70- Heart Centered Leadership: Compassion at work with Dr. Bruno Cignacco

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Gissele: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to The Love and Compassion Podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content. Today we’re gonna be talking about mindfulness in our living spaces, and our guest today is Kim Depole, founder of Depole Design in New York.

Seamlessly blends interior design with meditation to create spaces that nurture wellbeing and authentic self-expression. Her mindful process is rooted in the belief design is a collaboration of the mind and heart. Kim guides our clients inward, knowing that one needs to go inside to create a home that fully supports how you live, work, and restore.

Please join me in welcoming Kim Depole. Is that right?

Kim: You know, I love to say when somebody asks how to pronounce my name, I say, I say there’s the [00:01:00] North Pole. There’s the South pole, but there’s only Depole of design.

Gissele: Ooh. I love that. I love that. Can you start by telling the audience a little bit about how you got started and how you decided to combine mindfulness in design?

Kim: Well actually interior design is my second career. My first was as a creative director and after I quit my corporate job and lived in Japan and was inspired to travel all, you know, solo through Southeast Asia. When I came back, it was incredibly auspicious because I was offered a job where I was the assistant to somebody that did the first diff a show house, and I literally did not know anything about interior design.

Gissele: Mm-hmm.

Kim: And they let her go and, and by the second week they put me in charge. So it was trial by fire, but I just fell, absolutely in love. And then [00:02:00] fast forward back to school and started my design studio. So that was the whole trajectory and the connection to meditation, sort of ingrained in me at that time.

Gissele: does the Japanese style incorporate mindfulness and spiritual traditions? Yes. I

Kim: mean the whole. My favorite word is to ko ro, which is space as a state of being.

And I learned so much about how you live in your home and then in terms of optimization, the beauty, the ingrainedness of nature, natural elements were part and parcel of it. So it was almost like, I felt like I was. Steeped in that. And then when I came back to New York, it was, okay, so, you know, how do I integrate this belief into all of what I produce?

So I, think you might think of Japanese as style per se, but I think of it [00:03:00] as essence. Mm.

Gissele: I love that. It’s so funny because I haven’t really heard anyone. Have that conversation because you think about design, it’s like, well, I buy this piece of furniture and I put these pictures here and I add this color paint, but not as an expression of the inner world, not, it is like connecting that piece.

So I think this is why this conversation is for me, it’s so needed and so important because I do feel like our homes are a reflection of who we are. So I think that’s fantastic. So I heard you were on Oprah twice. Yeah, that

Kim: was another like, you know, like Manna from Heaven just happened.

I was doing a lot of TV shows for, you know, lifetime tv. They would send me to someone’s home. I had exactly like. Two hours to redo the entire, you know, second floor. And one of the producers fast forward, moved to Chicago and called me [00:04:00] and obviously she was in a terrible bind and said, can you drop everything?

 for a. Segment for Oprah. So, I mean, needless to say, you know, I put down the phone, danced around the studio, and then it was like, okay, wher

Ep.69- Designing from Within: Mindful Spaces and Sacred Living with Kim Depole

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Gissele: [00:00:00] Martin Luther King write, does love have the power to turn an enemy into a friend? Does it have the power to heal? This year, we are creating an inspiring documentary, courage to Love the Power of Compassion, which explores the extraordinary stories of those who have chosen to do the unthinkable love and forgive those who are most hurtful Through their journeys, we will uncover the profound impact of forgiveness love, not only on those offering it, but also those receiving it.

In addition, we’ll hear from experts who will explore whether love and compassion are part of our human nature, and how we can bridge divides with those we disagree with. If you’d like to support our film, please donate at [00:01:00] http://www.maitricentre.com/documentary

Penelope: Hello and welcome to The Loving Compassion Podcast with Giselle. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content.

Gissele: Today we’re talking about compassion to and from animals. And our guest today is Penelope Smith. Since the 1970s, Penelope has been the founding pioneer for the field, whose name she originated, interspecies Telepathic communication, author of the popular classic books in the field, animal Talk when Animals Speak.

Animals in spirit, many audio recordings and founding editor of Species Link Magazine. Penelope has held the hub of the growing community of animal communicators worldwide for decades. She has a bachelor’s and master’s degree in social sciences, years [00:02:00] of training and experience on human counseling, nutrition and holistic body energy, balancing methods, research into animal nutrition, anatomy, behavior, and care, plus the firsthand education from thousands of animals.

She has contacted Penelope’s Visionary work has been featured in numerous newspapers, articles, magazines throughout the US and beyond, and she has developed true and tried telepathic communication techniques which complement current scientific knowledge and traditional methods. Her methods foster people’s ability to understand and communicate with animals on many levels, physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual.

As a trailblazer and world renowned teacher of basic and advanced interspecies telepathic communication, she has helped launch the careers of numerous professional animal communicators. Penelope feels that the sacred connection we make [00:03:00] through telepathic communication with other species is essential for human wholeness.

She believes that everyone is born with the power to communicate with other species, and that although it is long lost for many people, it can be regained for the benefit of all beings on earth. Please join me in welcoming the one and only Penelope Smith. Hi.

Penelope: Hi. Thank you. Great to be here. Thank you. Yes.

Gissele: Thank you for being on the show.

I’m so thrilled to have you on the show. This is a topic I’ve definitely been wanting to talk about, especially around a compassion to and from animals.

I was wondering if you could start by telling the audience, how did you discover that you had this incredible gift?

Penelope: Well, it was always a part of me. I always loved animals. It’s very natural for kids. To just gravitate to animals until they’re stopped by other humans. You really can’t keep children away from animals.

And for me, [00:04:00] I was aware of who I was, my nature as a spiritual being, why I came in and who everybody else was. So the animals, I recognize them as fellow spiritual beings. And I communicated with them, they communicated with me. I got their thoughts and their feelings. They got my thoughts and f

Ep.68- What Animals Can Teach Us About Love – Penelope Smith on Animal Communication

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Gissele: Martin Luther King write, does love have the power to turn an enemy into a friend? Does it have the power to heal? This year, we are creating an inspiring documentary, courage to Love the Power of Compassion, which explores the extraordinary stories of those who have chosen to do the unthinkable love and forgive those who are most hurtful Through their journeys, we will uncover the profound impact of forgiveness love, not only on those offering it, but also those receiving it.

In addition, we’ll hear from experts who will explore whether love and compassion are part of our human nature, and how we can bridge divides with those we disagree with. If you’d like to support our film, please donate at [00:01:00] http://www.maitricentre.com/documentary

 . Hello and welcome to The Love and Compassion Podcast with Gissele

We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content. Today we’re gonna be talking about compassion and love in the foster care system. Our guest today is Peter Mutabazi entrepreneur international advocate for children and founder of Now I am known a corporation that supplies resources to encourage and affirm children.

Peter is a single dad, foster parent, who was a former street kid in Uganda. He has worked for Compassion International and the Red Cross. He has appeared on BBC in the Today Show and is author of the book now I am known. Please join me in welcoming Peter. Hi Peter.

Peter: Hey, how are you?

Gissele: I’m good. [00:02:00] How are you?

Peter: I’m good. What a joy to be with you today.

Gissele: Yes. I’ve been, I’ve been following your story for such a long time. I’m such a huge admirer of the work that you do. I followed your story with Anthony and also I used to work in the child protection system and so lots of issues with children that didn’t feel loved and accepted and with sometimes struggling with foster parents who didn’t understand the behavior problems.

And so that’s why your journey is such powerful, powerful reminder of how important it’s to have presence, to have compassion, including for yourself. So I’d like to begin by asking you how you got to this place. Like what was your journey like in terms of going from the streets of Uganda to now having this incredible social media presence and really kind of carving a new way for foster care?

Peter: Well, you know, I was, you know, I was born in Uganda among the poor of the poorest you could imagine. You know I [00:03:00] never had one meal a day. I had one meal every other day. We could not afford beans and potatoes, you know, grew up in a place where I had to go fetch water three to four miles away one way twice a day, like there was no time to be a child.

And two, you know, at age of four, I began to realize that not only are we poor, but my dad was abusive as well. So grew up in a place where, you know, the only words I heard for my dad was, you’ll never amount to anything. You’re nobody. I wish you never born. So I did not have to feed you. And those are the things I heard for my dad.

So for me, internally, life was miserable outside. It was miserable. at the age of, you know, 10, I, I, I knew my father would kill me, so I thought, wait a minute, you know, I would rather die in the hands of a stranger.

So I ran away, and that’s how I became a street kid. And from the age 10 to almost 16. As street kids, we are treated more like stray animals. Like really, people viewed us as we are, we are nobody. We are scum of the earth in some way. Mm-hmm. And somehow we believed it because that’s what we looked like. I mean, I lived in a

Ep.67- Building a Compassionate Child Welfare System with Peter Mutabazi

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Gissele: Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion Podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content. Today we’re gonna be talking about rethinking how we do business in a time of great upheaval. my guest today is Jeff Ma, who is a director of product development at Culture Plus host of the Love as a business strategy podcast and bestselling author of love as a Business Strategy coming up through a decade in the gaming industry. Jeff eventually found his niche in project management and agile coaching at Soft Way.

As he continued working with teams and clients in Scrum and agile environments, however, he started seeing the stronger underlying importance of culture in truly high functioning performing teams. Pushed by a combination of his own introspection, feedback from [00:01:00] his colleagues, and a whole lot of uncomfortable practice, Jeff shifted head first into a new mission that he shares with his team.

To bring humanity back to the workplace. Nowadays, he’s hyper-focused on helping people find a workplace culture that allows them to be their whole selves, their best selves. Jeff is leading the development of various products and tools that are crafted with the culture of love at its center. As a facilitator of Culture Rise and other experiences in the Culture Plus Suite, he’s also connecting and transforming leaders around the world directly helping them to improve their mindsets, behaviors, and leadership capabilities.

Please join me in welcoming Jeff. Hi Jeff.

Jeff: Hello, how are you, Gissele?

Gissele: I’m doing great. I think this is a perfect conversation to have nowadays because I feel like the world is in a little bit of an upheaval when it comes to the economics, I [00:02:00] think,

Jeff: In terms of a lot of things. Yeah.

Gissele: Yeah, for sure.

So to get started I wanted you to tell the audience a little bit about how you got started in this work.

Jeff: Wow. So it’s, it’s actually a lot of the book that we wrote, love is a business strategy centers around this change. But, you know, I was just like anybody else working a, you know, a, a kind of a job in a nine to five kind of technology company called Soft Way, which I still do today, but software was very different back then.

But basically software went through an interesting change. Around 2016, it almost went outta business. And the story centers around our CEO Mohammed, who’s a co-author of the book as well. But it starts with Mohammed and kind of grows into others. But the gist of it is, mm-hmm. That when we’re kind of in our worst moment where we had done mass layoffs, morals, and all time low

Gissele: Yeah.

Jeff: Things are not looking good. Mohammed kind of had a moment of, of. [00:03:00] Self-realization in which he went to actually a football game, a University of Houston football game, which he’s a huge fan of. Mm-hmm. But they played a game that was really important. It was like their 10th, 10th straight victory with no losses that season, if they could pull it off.

But they were down by by insurmountable amount in the fourth quarter, and all the statistics showed that it was over. They had a 0.1% chance of winning, and basically people were already leaving that game, leaving that stadium turning off their TVs, and Mohamed decided to stay in that game. He witnessed one of the greatest comebacks in the history of the program.

And they came back and won. And that really invigorated him to try to figure out what it is that makes a great team resilient like that. And that coach in particular, that, that was a rookie coach his

Ep.66- Love and Leadership: Jeff Ma on Building a Compassion-Driven Workplace

Gissele: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion Podcast with Gissele.

We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content. Sean Hemeon is an award-winning actor, writer, an abstract, expressionist painter. He has appeared in 9 1 1 Criminal Minds, true blood, which I loved in cws husbands.

Sean began his career as an art gallery director in Santa Monica before transitioning to a full-time artist. His work has been exhibited in galleries across Los Angeles as a writer. Sean’s forthcoming book, the Good Little Drug, Lord, is an Ode to Redemption Recovery and the Mother Son Bond. Ultimately uplifting memoir about a gay Mormon drug dealing informant for the federal government.

That [00:01:00] sounds really interesting. Originally from Northern Virginia, Sean now resides in Los Angeles with his husband and their two Boston Terriers, Ludo and Gusgus. He’s the recipient of WBCs Lgbtqiaa Plus Writers Fellowship and has published works in Beyond Queer Words after a decades long absence.

He recently completed his BA in Creative Writing at the University of Virginia, and this year marks 20 years of Sean’s sobriety. Please join me in welcoming Sean. Hi, Sean. Yay. Yay. So excited to chat with you, by the way. I love True Bloods. Such a good show. Let’s do It was fun to work on was such. Yes, it’s It’s awesome.

Awesome show. I was wondering if you could just tell the audience a little bit about how you got to writing the good Little Drug, Lord.

Sean: How did I get to writing it? Well, you know, well, okay. [00:02:00] There is a very clear response to that. Okay. For me that I will share.

But I got there creatively. Just, you know, by the last 20 years, just continuing to write. I’ve always been a person who’s journaled. I’ve journaled since my teen years, so journaling and writing has always been a part of my life. And I’ve been writing all kinds of different things. One man shows screenplays, other writing things.

So I’ve always been writing. And then it was, it was the push at UVA working with my professors who are all published authors that sort of just kind of ushered me into this next phase. But, but why now and why, you know, 20 years later the story is so, I mean, gay Mormon drug dealing narc for the federal government.

I mean, so I, it seems like,

Gissele: where do you start? Why don’t we start with the Mormonism? So you were raised Mormon.

Sean: I was raised Mormon. Not in Utah though. I am from Northern [00:03:00] Virginia. There are big Mormon wards lots of, you know wonderful Mormons.

And that’s where I was raised. And with, I have six other siblings. I’m the middle child of seven. Wow. The thing that’s slightly different about my family is my father never was, nor never will be. Well, he’s passed on, but it was never Mormon. we were raised by him, but also by the other fathers of the church wards

Doing like the Boy Scouts, all that kind of stuff. Still, I’m sure it’s more acceptable now, but like having a non-Mormon father was low key, like shameful, like ugh, that that poor Hemeon family, how, you know? So we felt that, but it didn’t matter. I was devoted to my mother.

My mother was my person and she very much made me her person. You know, little, little gay boys we’re emotional. and my father wasn’t giving my mom much. Poor guy was exhausted trying to, raise a family of seven. So you could imagine how that’s a big family.

Gissele: Yeah.

Sean: I

Gissele: mean mm-hmm.

Sean: I have two kids

Gissele: and

Ep.65-Dealer to Healer: Choosing Love over Shame with Sean Hemeon

Gissele: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content. I’d like to take this opportunity to share with you an exciting project that I’m working on with a team of researchers and worldwide guests.

I’m directing a documentary called Courage to Love the Power of Compassion, and we’ll be sharing stories of individuals who are doing the unthinkable, loving those who are most hurtful. Through this documentary, we’ll be answering the question, whether love does have the power to transform enemies into friends and challenges into opportunities to support our documentary.

Please look for us in the fundraiser at https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/courage-to-love-the-power-of-compassion We’ll be offering lots of perks for your contribution, including associate director credit for our film. So look, look out for that. On today’s podcast, we’ll be talking [00:01:00] about the relationship between Love and Money, and we have a special guest today.

It’s my friend Ghary. Gh ary. David Wong is a spiritual explorer who sheds lights on life’s steps through hospice care, mortality insights, and a bout of homelessness. Departing from a corporate career, he offers a unique perspective on purpose and abundance. In his latest book, abundance Soul, abundant Life, he shares love’s transformative power for a purposeful existence based on personal discoveries.

Please join me in welcoming my friend Ghary. Hi Ghary.

Ghary: Hi, Gissele. I’m so glad to be here.

Gissele: Yes, thank you for being here with us. We’re gonna talk about love and money, and often those two aren’t associated, actually very seldom. And so I’m super excited to talk to you and talk about your [00:02:00] book. But to begin with, can you tell our listeners what got you started on this journey?

Ghary: Boy, you know, interestingly, I thought I was gonna write a book about, strictly about Money, but you actually read the book. It ends up it, you know, it’s a book about love. Mm-hmm. And you know, this, this has been a long time journey for me. I mean, I’ve studied with a lot of different people like Wayne Dyer and Neil Donald Walsh, those kind of people.

 You know, I, I started journaling from 1991. Wow. And I’ve been, I’ve been keeping a daily journal and after a certain point in time I had a section in there which I call reflections. And what happened was that these are sort of insights that I’ve had, and over the years I’ve realized that [00:03:00] those, those reflections actually come from my guides.

Gissele: Mm-hmm. Love that.

 And so unexpected, right? Like, one of the things I lot I love about this journey that we are on, sort of like with this humanity is that often the most surprising and most beautiful things are unexpected, right?

You went in thinking you are gonna write this book on money, and you came out writing this book on love and the relationship with money, right? And so it’s, it’s been an amazing journey just to watch as a friend. For those of the listeners who haven’t yet gotten your book, tell us a little bit about kind of how is money even related to love?

Ghary: You know, I, I look at money as part, part and parcel to everything that we, we wish for or that we work to achieve in this lifetime.

Gissele: Hmm.

Ghary: And so it is part of what I call abundance. [00:04:00] It is everything. So you know, it’s, it’s to me the most important thing in life is to experience love in all of its various

Ep.64- Love, Abundance and Living an Authentic Life with Ghary Won

Conversation with Scott

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Scott: Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world.

Gissele: Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content. This year we’re creating an inspiring documentary called Courage to Love, the Power of Compassion, which explores the extraordinary stories of those who have chosen to do the unthinkable. Love and forgive those who have caused them deep harm.

Through their journeys, we will uncover the profound impact of forgiveness, not only to those offering it, but also those receiving it. we’ll hear from experts who will explore whether love and reconciliation are part of our human nature and how we can bridge divides with those we disagree with.

We are launching a fundraising campaign in March, offering incredible perks to our supporters. If you’re interested in our documentary, know somebody whose story should be featured, or would like to contribute financially, stay tuned. Speaking of divided, [00:01:00] today’s topic is about how to love others during divided times. Our guest today is Scott Stabile. He is a Breathwork Facilitator.

 and author of the acclaimed motivational memoir, Big Love, The Undeniable Joy of Following Your Heart, the short prose collection, Enough As You Are, and the inspirational art book, Just Love.

A passionate love advocate, Scott is a compassionate and soulful storyteller, unafraid to dive deep into the human experience. Through his books, talks, personal empowerment workshops, and sub stack newsletter, Scott invites us to choose love even in the darkest times. to fully embrace our messy, beautiful selves.

He’s not just a teacher. He’s a fellow traveler navigating the hard, sacred work of being human. Please join me in welcoming Scott. Hi, Scott.

Scott: Hi [00:02:00] Gissele.

Gissele: I’m so

excited to have this chat, it feels like if we’re just living in such a divided world, it feels like we’re almost living in two separate worlds of people that are wanting to love and have compassion.

And then this other group that is maybe struggling with that. And it feels like we’re more divided than ever. I was wondering if you could start by telling the audience how you got into the work of love.

Scott: How did

I get into the work of love? I mean, I would say the most Honest answer is I was in a cult in the in the Bay Area in the 90s.

In my early 20s, I got involved with a spiritual teacher and a spiritual community. And the, you know, the teachings from my former guru were, you know, love, unconditional love, unconditional friendship. It didn’t end up turning out that [00:03:00] way when, I mean, it ended in a very dark way, which I won’t go into right now.

But when I reflect back on those times, I was really consumed with enlightenment in the possibility of becoming enlightened. That’s what I cared about the most. And what I saw as the path to enlightenment was love. and compassion and forgiveness and all of these beautiful energies that we know when we’re engaging with those energies we feel so much better.

And what I came to discover when I decided that I didn’t want to be a part of this community anymore and that when I was going to let go of chasing enlightenment, when I realized it’s not something that I could achieve, that’s not how enlightenment works. That I still felt called to be as loving as possible and as compassionate as possible.

Nothing, nothing changed about me other than my drive to become enlightened, which only created for me a lot of suffering and misery, [00:04:00] honestly. And when I could let go of that, I was abl

Ep.63- Choosing Love in a Time of Great Division with Scott Stabile

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Gissele: Hello and welcome to the love and compassion podcast with Gissele.

We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our worlds. Don’t forget to like, and subscribe for more amazing content. we’re doing an amazing documentary called the courage to love. Focusing on sharing stories of those who have chosen to do the unthinkable, loving and forgiving those who are the most hurtful through their stories, we will find out what the impact of forgiving and caring for our opponents is for those doing the forgiving.

And for those who were forgiven, we’ll also hear from experts about whether it is in our nature to love and to come together with those with whom we disagree. We’ll be doing fundraising in March with lots of amazing perks. If you’re interested in the documentary, you want to nominate someone or support us financially,

Please look out for the information coming out in March. On today’s podcast, we’ll be talking about [00:01:00] punishment free parenting. Our guest today is Rebecca Wolf. She is author of the book, The Gift of a Punishment Free Childhood. She is a parenting mentor, educator, and mother. She supports parents through mentoring and workshops and navigating their parenting journeys.

Using punishment free practices, however, her most important work was raising her own children without punishment. Her extensive personal experiences, contribute to her ability to guide others on their parenting journeys. Rebecca is a certified parenting educator for the redirecting children’s behavior program.

and has conducted extensive research on how punishment impacts children’s behavior. Rebecca has a Ph. D. from the University of Northern Colorado in education and has been a lifelong teacher and learner. Please join me in welcoming Rebecca. Hi, Rebecca. [00:02:00] Hello.

Rebecca: Thank you,

Gissele: Giselle. As I was saying to you before, I love your book.

Absolutely love it. I wish I had found this book earlier in my parenting experience. Because I feel like my husband and I really had to struggle to learn by making lots of mistakes with our kids.

So I wish we had found your book. And so I was strongly encouraging my listeners, especially who are starting out in the parenting journey, or even if they have kids today, because you talk about teens to get it. Can you tell the audience a little bit about how you decided to go punishment free?

Rebecca: Yeah, absolutely. So, as you shared in my biography, I was trained to work for the Redirecting Children’s Behavior Parenting Workshops. And in that work, it, it, There still was punishment included, but it really started to emphasize the idea of redirecting right rather than punishing. Let’s [00:03:00] redirect.

And so I had kind of this solid foundation. And but what I’ll share is that it was really when I started thinking about some of the crises that we’re seeing. In the world now. I live in Colorado. And so the Columbine high school shooting that happened back in 1999 was pretty impactful for me. I spent a lot of time thinking about that, thinking about that family, those parents you know, the parents on both sides, the parents of the shooters, the parents of those who lost their lives that day.

And there are many, many factors that go into a situation like that.

But

Rebecca: it was clear that the reason those two boys walked into that high school was to punish their classmates. And so I’m like, why do we think that that is the solution? And if you think about it, it’s because that’s what most, most children, it’s how they are.

It’s the relationship

Ep.62- The Gift of a Punishment-Free Childhood with Dr. Rebecca Woulfe

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