TW: Sexual Assault


On June 4, Jess broke the story that rocked Christian Music: in an investigation for The Roys Report, she uncovered allegations that Michael Tait, formerly of DC Talk and Newsboys, had allegedly sexually assaulted three men between 2005-2014, In the following days and weeks, Newsboys would release a statement saying Tait had admitted to living a double life and Tait would release his own confession regarding substance abuse and unwanted sexual advances. As more stories came to light through The Guardian and The Roys Report, radio stations dropped Newsboys from airplay, and now they have been cut from their record label.


In today's special episode, Jess chat's about how she began her two-and-a half year investigation, talks about why it's important these stories go public in Christian Music, and shares a radio interview she did with 96.3fm in Australia in the days following the first article.


Do you have a question for Jess? Submit a question by midnight (central time) June 26 for a chance to be included in our next episode. Email us at betweenyouandmepod@gmail.com or DM us on Facebook or Instagram @BetweenYouMePod.


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 * June 4, EXCLUSIVE: Former Newsboys Frontman Michael Tait Accused of Sexual Assault, Grooming, and Substance Abuse, Dating Back to 2004 [https://julieroys.com/former-newsboys-frontman-michael-tait-accused-sexual-assault-grooming-substance-abuse-dating-back-to-2004/]
 * June 8, Newsboys ‘Heard Rumors Over the Years’ About Tait; Some Radio Stations Bow Out [https://julieroys.com/newsboys-heard-rumors-over-years-tait-radio-stations-bow-out/]
 * June 9, K-LOVE Pulls Newsboys and DC Talk From Rotation Following Tait Sex Abuse Allegations [https://julieroys.com/k-love-pulls-newsboys-from-rotation-following-tait-allegations/]
 * June 10, Michael Tait Admits to “Living Two Distinctly Different Lives,” Involving Cocaine and Sexual Assault [https://julieroys.com/michael-tait-admits-to-living-two-distinctly-different-lives-involving-cocaine-and-sexual-assault/]
 * June 13, ‘He stole a piece of our souls’: Christian music star Michael Tait accused of sexual assault by three men, [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/13/michael-tait-sexual-assault-allegations] by Josiah Hesse
 * June 15, Michael Tait Accused of Sexual Harassment, Abuse, and Drugging by 6 More Men, 2 Were Minors [https://julieroys.com/michael-tait-accused-sexual-harassment-abuse-drugging-by-6-more-men-2-minors/],
 * June 19, Woman Accuses Michael Tait of Drugging Her and Watching While She Was Raped; Says Newsboys Tour Manager Covered It Up [https://julieroys.com/woman-accuses-michael-tait-drugging-her-watching-newsboys-tour-manager-covered-up/],
 * June 23, Newsboys Dropped From Label Amid Michael Tait Scandal and Industry Backlash [https://julieroys.com/breaking-newsboys-dropped-from-label-amid-michael-tait-scandal-and-industry-backlash/]
 * June 25, ‘Secrecy Always Destroys’: Christian Music Artists Call for Reform Amid Tait Allegations [https://julieroys.com/secrecy-always-destroys-christian-music-artists-call-reform-amid-tait-allegations/]



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Let's Talk Breaking the Michael Tait & Newsboys stories

New Artist Showcase is back, where Jess highlights an incredible upcoming artist you need to hear. This week, meet David Dowdell, a Toronto based musician whose love for storytelling, evangelism and guitar are culminating in his debut EP. Jess chats to him about his entry into music, how he experienced Christ in profound grief, and why he chooses to have eternal hope.


Connect @DavidDowdellMusic [https://instagram.com/DavidDowdellMusic]

Listen/stream to David's latest single 'Seasons' here [https://linkbio.co/7012802J7Goa0].

David's EP is out SOON. Follow him on Spotify now so you hear it when it drops.


MUSIC

Seasons

Following You

Beloved

Vanity

Who Knows?


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NEW ARTIST SHOWCASE - David Dowdell

As a rock drummer, music publishing exec and tech mogul, Bill Mullin has done it all - except one thing. After years of innovation and self discovery, he has started a rock opera musical in podcast form called As I Recall F()rever, and it's all about life, faith and asking hard questions. Jess chat to Bill about his commitment to creating something new, how a group of world class musicians created potentially the first ever rock opera podcast, and what it takes to forgive ourselves.


Connect with @The_Next_Humanity [https://www.instagram.com/the_next_humanity/] and TheNextHumanity.com

Listen to the podcast As I Recall F()rever here [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/as-i-recall-forever/id1766309943].


Stream the songs here [https://open.spotify.com/artist/77F6X2Oh4psY1zm0KIyTpP].

Stream/Buy the book, album or vinyl here [https://thenexthumanity.com/shop/].


MUSIC

Let It Be Love by The Next Humanity

Make Me Aware by The Next Humanity

Just Ask ft Jaimee Paul by The Next Humanity

While the World Falls Aart by The Next Humanity

After Life by The Next Humanity

Call Your Name by Dan Bremnes


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BILL MULLIN: The holy work of creating something new

It's a Merry Christmas, because we have 6 x Emmy award winner and platinum recording artist Steph Carse on the show – and just WAIT until you hear his story. From successful country singer in Canada, to living out of his car in Nashville, Steph's experience of God radically changed his approach to art, music, philanthropy and directing. He tells us about his newest movie "The True Miracle of Christmas," and opens up about his mental health anti-bullying non profit YiCount.


TW: Mental health and sexual assault mentioned towards the end of this episode


Connect with @StephCarse [https://www.instagram.com/stephcarse/]and StephCarse.com [https://www.stephcarse.com/]

Watch The True Miracle of Christmas on Amazon Prime in the USA [https://www.primevideo.com/detail/The-True-Miracle-Of-Christmas/0N07392O3FHLKJJJ77MQRB8Y60].


Stream/Buy/Watch the single "Almighty" here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHx1H6pbIx0].

Stream/Buy the holiday album "O Holy Night" here. [https://music.apple.com/album/o-holy-night/1720042063]

Visit YiCount here [https://www.yicount.org/].

Support Steph's new film project "Undone" here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owt5i7bjQXI].


MUSIC

My Shining Hour by Steph Carse 

I Only Have Eyes For You by Steph Carse

Mary Did You Know? By Natasha and Steph Carse

The Impossible Dream by Steph Carse

O Holy Night by Steph Carse

Almighty by Steph Carse

Lowest of Lows by Josiah Queen


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STEPH CARSE: Religion, relationship and the true miracle of Christmas

Meet Caleb and Kelsea Yetton. As members of The Rock Music they are already part of the BY&M family – but today we hear their heart behind the band's new EP No One Knows Me Like You. These musicians and worship leaders get real about grief, asking God hard questions, creating a healthy marriage and how they truly experienced the best of God's people in their lowest moment. This episode will ultimate frisbee its way to your heart (if you know, you know).


Buy/Stream No One Knows Me Like You here [https://l.instagram.com/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftrc.life%2FNoOne&e=AT1f2PUJM0amfYGijkjD-3hHTWYQfEiGonzPuNaj4hF2cV7mzb6NFwL6awvQ0PGRKgEIr9lLz1n0mnfRc8xloQ8i69c5XCR8p8yXj26ba5ZsxPrW]. Stream NOEL here [https://l.instagram.com/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fsc.lnk.to%2FQ7GqUx&e=AT21SOHAzWzY8vV-7a2hYE5RrUv1Y4n9ua3CycbjtYmeiUph8Hm0D995h8EoBS0i-Q0wGnrsXlsJRayT2P03ioTeXf-63nNRqoSwmqMw87zvG69w].

Connect @TheRockMusic [https://instagram.com/TheRockMusic] and The RockMusic.org [https://The RockMusic.org].


Listen to our episode with Steele Crosswhite of The Rock Music here [https://betweenyouandmepod.com/episodes3/102].


MUSIC

Revolution Medicine by The Rock Music

No One Knows Me Like You by The Rock Music

All Hail King Jesus by The Rock Music

Holy Savior by The Rock Music

Noel by The Rock Music

Rise Again by 11:21 Worship


SPONSORS

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CALEB AND KELSEA YETTON: The mark of a healthy church family

Meeting musician Dan Damon is like hitting musical and theological bingo – not only is he an internationally published songwriter and a trained jazz pianist, but he is also a retired pastor, an editor, and a former teacher of church music. Basically, this man contains wells of wisdom, and today he chats to Jess about his new Christmas-themed album I Saw Three Ships. Dan gets real about why he uses hymns and songwriting to empower people on the fringes of our church communities, and how he developed an inclusive theology. Get excited friends, Dan Damon is likely the best jazz pianist come theologian you've never heard of!


Connect with Dan at https://DanDamonMusic.com.

Buy/stream I Saw Three Ships here [https://music.apple.com/us/album/i-saw-three-ships/1779047887].


We are proud to partner with our friends at UTR Media for this episode. Connect with UTR Media at UTRMedia.org [https://UTRMedia.org] and follow their socials at @UTRMedia [https://www.instagram.com/utrmedia/] for updates on their Best Music of 2024 lists!


MUSIC

Away In A Manger by The Dan Damon Quartet ft. Sheilani Alix

Silent Night by The Dan Damon Quartet ft. Sheilani Alix

Peace Child by The Dan Damon Quartet ft. Sheilani Alix

Hunger Carol by The Dan Damon Quartet ft. Sheilani Alix

Oh Little Town of Bethlehem by The Dan Damon Quartet ft. Sheilani Alix

It Came Upon A Midnight Clear by Hannah Kerr and Austin French


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DAN DAMON: The Edges of Our Spoken and Sung Faith

Bible scholar, author and podcaster Erin H Moon has a lot of questions about faith. In her new book 'I've Got Questions: The Spiritual Practice of Having It Out With God' out February 4 with Baker Books, she digs deep into the brine of her Southern Baptist childhood to unpack evangelical trauma, deconstruction, reconstruction and her obsession with Point of Grace. She chats to Jess about the the repercussions of Purity Culture, learning to forgive the younger more fundamentalist versions of ourselves, and who takes the crown in a showdown between Amy Grant, Rebecca St James and Jennifer Knapp. Get ready to laugh, cry and set a reminder in your phone for "I really do need to go back to therapy soon".


Connect @ErinHMoon [https://instagram.com/ErinHMoon] and ErinHMoon.com [https://erinhmoon.com/]

Preorder I've Got Questions HERE through Baker Books and get 40% off [https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/598796]. Buy it full price here [https://www.erinhmoon.com/ivegotquestions].

Sign up for Erin's substack here [https://erinhmoon.substack.com/].


OTHER STUFF WE TALKED ABOUT

Take a Day Pass and listen to the Faith Adjacent podcast here [https://faithadjacent.com/].

And here's The Popcast with Knox and Jamie ft. Erin's Google expertise here [https://knoxandjamie.com/].

Watch 'Fired Up' from Disney Channel Movie ZOMBIES here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHjuEF4Q3qU].

This is why Erin (and Jess) love Zac Efron. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-t4vqd534Y]

Get Jennifer Knapp's KANSAS 25 HERE [https://jenniferknapp.com/kansas25/].


MUSIC

Place In This World by For King & Country and Michael W Smith

Bye Fear by Elle Limebear

Pray for Me by Anike

Tonight by Point of Grace

It Gets Better by Josh Wilson

Never Get Used to This by Forrest Frank

A Marshmallow World by Marc Mattel


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ERIN H. MOON: I've Got Questions About Purity Culture

Randall Goodgame has been the called, "the greatest thing to happen to children’s music in a generation," but there's more to this Dove Award nominee than just Slugs and Bugs. He has just released Scripture Hymnal - a prolific collection of scriptures set to music, cowritten and sung by industry greats like Ginny Owens, Ellie Holcomb and more. He tells Jess how returning to scripture became a lifeline for him during a tough season of life. And, as a former writer of 'Silly Songs with Larry,' Jess puts him to the tests and asks for a new silly song!


Connect @RandallGoodgame [https://x.com/RandallGoodgame] and scripturehymnal.com [https://scripturehymnal.com]

Buy the book/sheet music for Scripture Hymnal here [https://scripturehymnal.com/pages/store].

Stream Scripture Hymnal Part 1 here [https://scripturehymnal.com/pages/song-library].


MUSIC

In The Beginning by Scripture Hymnal

Those Who Look To Him Are Radiant by Scripture Hymnal

Come All You Who Are Thirsty by Scripture Hymnal

Whatever Is True by Scripture Hymnal

Hark The Herald Angels Sing by We Are Messengers


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RANDALL GOODGAME

TW: Addiction What happens when your adult child is battling with addiction? In their latest album “Everything Good,” country and Americana stalwarts Zane and Donna King open up about the nuanced journey of support, sobriety and faith. They tell Jess about their unique love story, and how their children have empowered them to break the stigma about addiction in churches. Connect @zaneanddonnaking and https://www.zaneanddonnaking.com Buy/stream “Everything Good” here: zanedonnaking.lnk.to/EverythingGood GET HELP Alcoholics Anonymous: https://www.aa.org Narcotics Anonymous: https://na.org Al-Anon: https://al-anon.org Everything Good by Zane and Donna King Hard Times by Zane and Donna King From the Basement to the Altar by Zane and Donna King Who You Listen To by Zane and Donna King In Your Hands by Zane and Donna King Front Porch Sittin’ by Zane and Donna King Tear This Building Down by Russ Taff Connect with the 'Songs That Changed You' podcast here: apple.co/48pWMMA SUBSCRIBE/CONNECT/LET'S BE FRIENDS: linktr.ee/betweenyoumepod Music published with permission of artist and fair use permissions.

Ep 182: ZANE & DONNA KING - Addiction, Al-Anon and doing the work

TW: Addiction


What happens when your adult child is battling with addiction? In their latest album “Everything Good,” country and Americana stalwarts Zane and Donna King open up about the nuanced journey of support, sobriety and faith. They tell Jess about their unique love story, and how their children have empowered them to break the stigma about addiction in churches.


Connect @zaneanddonnaking [instagram.com/zaneanddonnaking] and https://www.zaneanddonnaking.com

Buy/stream “Everything Good” here: zanedonnaking.lnk.to/EverythingGood


GET HELP

Alcoholics Anonymous: https://www.aa.org

Narcotics Anonymous: https://na.org

Al-Anon: https://al-anon.org


MUSIC

Everything Good by Zane and Donna King

Hard Times by Zane and Donna King

From the Basement to the Altar by Zane and Donna King

Who You Listen To by Zane and Donna King

In Your Hands by Zane and Donna King

Front Porch Sittin’ by Zane and Donna King

Tear This Building Down by Russ Taff


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ZANE & DONNA KING

What happens when musicians talk about the things that hurt, heal and change us in Church culture? The pod that gets real about everything from faith and mental health, to creativity and the music industry. Consider us your weekly coffee date.

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