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Speaker: Hi, I'm Alan Finger. Welcome to the Genius of Nothing podcast. Nothing is no particular thing.
Speaker: It's all things at once. Genius.
Speaker: Welcome everyone to the Genius of Nothing podcast. I'm Katrina Repka in London and I'm here with Sebastian Forsman in Sweden.
Speaker: Hello. And Alan at home in Florida. Welcome to the quantum field. wonderful teachings that we have to share.
Speaker: yeah um Particularly for me this week, Al and Sebastian, i have been thinking a lot about my mother and the fact that she passed away yeah and that these teachings have been so valuable for me in the past. um As you both know, four years ago, my husband died. And I really find that, you know, there's life and death in in the world for everybody. Different people are going through different things. And the ability to have something to go to, to ritualize it, And to process it for me has been extremely valuable. And Al, you, I think, have a different perspective on death than almost anybody else I know. You know, it's very interesting because, um well, first of all, the yogis always have, the tantricers, my dad, always used to say, you've got to cry at birth and rejoice at death.
Speaker: Because at birth, At birth, the person had to come back. Wasn't didn't quite complete their karma. And hopefully they completed it that at death you can give them a good send off.
Speaker: Having been brought up in a yogic lifestyle, her house household, half ashram, this, it was kind of like strongly imprinted into me.
Speaker: how life is actually a belief structure because life really as we know it, besides the moment we're in it, is all memory and belief.
Speaker: So, Once we look at it like that, the belief that we have is developed from when we're born.
Speaker: We're born and we get programmed by things we are exposed to And unfortunately, what we're exposed to is only through our five senses.
Speaker: So our five senses work in this realm on opposites. Sound, loud, soft.
Speaker: Touch, rough, smooth. Taste, sweet, sour, bitter. And each each taste actually has its own range.
Speaker: And sound loud, soft. So we have all of these different senses bringing information in, making a world for us.
Speaker: And that world in Sanskrit is called avidya. It's the world of memories developed by the five senses.
Speaker: And I think the interesting thing just to jump in about that word is that it' it means when you put an A in front of something in Sanskrit, it's like negates it. So Vidya is knowledge and wisdom and Avidya means ignorance in the sense of not really having a true understanding of the nature of things.
Speaker: Exactly. And that's a great, great help, Katrina, for people to get it, that it's avidya. Vidya is your soul's awareness, but avidya is what you've developed from your five senses. It's ignorant of the truth, the permanence, and the infinite consciousness nature of what one's Atman, for a better word in English, we could say soul.
Speaker: So now we're working and living in a world of our beliefs, and in it we cut patterns in our brain that certain things we don't like and certain things we like.
Speaker: called attraction and repulsion in Sanskrit, raga, and vesa. Certain things are going, no, no, no, that's not for me. And other things we're going to say, yeah, I really like that.
Speaker: So, the avidya gives us a world of likes and dislikes, attraction, repulsion, that then form a feeling of am-ness, of ego, of identity in this world of Avidya.
Speaker: So now we develop this false identity, asmitta, which we try and sustain and honor and build and try and to get it as strong as we can.
Speaker: We don't want to lose that identity. And now, with this false identity, we become blindsided that life is a matter of being born into and leaving out of for our soul, atman, as part of the evolutionary process.
Speaker: So in Tantra Yoga and of course if Ishtar, we see that, yeah, we are born to work, to play our role of evolution in the greater scheme of things.
Speaker: And then once we've done that, we move on. So in Tantra, it's very much that you need to cry at birth and rejoice at death.
Speaker: Because the being had to come back, didn't finish its what it had to do And at death, hopefully it learned and it's freed from being having to come and complete what it was born to do.
Speaker: And finally, in that process where our asmita, our false identity, we're sustaining it, we don't want to die.
Speaker: Because we own with the false identity, we don't want to lose anything. Because we don't see it. with from the point of vidya.
Speaker: We don't see it from the point of so of a vision from our atman, our soul. We are, have developed our asmita, our ego, our false identity from ignorance,
Speaker: Avidya, ignorance of what really is our soul and its journey. yeah We're afraid of death because we don't really understand death and we don't take the time to understand death. and we kind of We're very afraid of you know what kind of consciousness will there be after death? How will I be? What will I be?
Speaker: It's a symbol in yoga of of of a drop returning to the ocean. What is beyond death beyond is something that is beyond the mind and the mind can comprehend something that is beyond itself.
Speaker: And that's why, as you always keep coming back to going into nothingness, is you know the most the most important thing. And and and and the sabhasin and daily to do it. Because brain, the way it works when you sleep,
Speaker: It clears. And then you want to feel nothing and then go into your day. Otherwise, accumulation of just what our brain builds as our world becomes so strong that because you can't, unfortunately, you said you want to understand death, but you can't because the brain is can't understand it It can be comforted if you have become comfortable and being in being a nothing.
Speaker: full we We advise 18 minutes a day. Yeah, but we do make comfort systems to to kind of to understand what is beyond this barrier that we just can't reach.
Speaker: So samadhi is really... where you have quieted your mind from all vritti, from its bouncing between opposites, from forming ragadvesa, attachment and repulsion, which in turn form the false identity asmita.
Speaker: So when we have got all of those words happening, that's why they're great in Sanskrit, but when we actually have all of that, when we've got vidya and we're freed, then you can experience samadhi, the state of yoga, the state of not being in duality.
Speaker: not being in the sense in the world of your senses. And you need to one needs to explore that daily and deepen in it because it isn't anything that your mind can put an attribute or a quality to.
Speaker: Your mind cannot perceive what is beyond it. And I think that's so much the difficulty with trying to explain these concepts. Because if I think about, you know, my mom had Parkinson's and dementia, and my husband had pancreatic cancer. And it's not that I rejoiced at their death, but there was definitely a sense of relief. But then you think about if, you know, a young person dies, the idea the idea of
Speaker: ah like like i as a yogi who've been meditating for many years, I'm still scared of dying because ultimately my mind cannot conceive of it. And I guess the enlightened person in this context would not be scared to die, would recognize that in a very clear way, their time has come and, you know, they're ready to transcend But it is so difficult for the human mind to conceive of the things that are beyond the mind.
Speaker: And that is our fundamental, like the the problem with trying to explain these concepts, I think. Because explain means trying to get to understand them with my mind.
Speaker: And at a certain point, we have to be able to accept that our mind cannot understand. know it Indeed, what happens from meditating and going into the state of samadhi is that you develop a new structure In your mental plasticity, in the brain, you and create a new pattern that can begins to understand what nothing is, what no thing is, what all things at once
Speaker: at once is That's Brahman. The soul is Atman. As Sebastian says, its like a drop of water. It's made of the same thing as the ocean.
Speaker: When it drops back, it's the ocean. so But in our brain, till we've finished and freed from our evolutionary am purpose of being here, called karma, until that is finished, we're in our mind and in our body.
Speaker: And so we're going to have to continuously meditate. go in me There's no really word for it but samadhi. Go into a state of oneness.
Speaker: not into a state of duality, be in a state of oneness where you can feel what is beyond your mind. And once you've cut the pattern, the parinama, samadhi parinama, once you have that pattern strong enough in your brain,
Speaker: Abhinivasa, you lose the fear of death. One of the things that I, with the samadhi, one of the things that helps me to conceive of it is I once heard a definition where Sama is like the English word for same and Adi is the highest high. so it's like you're experiencing yourself as the highest high or recognizing that part of you that is divine in order to be able to
Speaker: see and connect with the idea that you are that drop in the ocean. Well, again, you know, the only problem that, um Katrina, is that then we start bordering the highest high is really the lowest low.
Speaker: Because we're measuring in mind. We're trying to say, then it sort of comes back to religion. Right? That I've got to be pure and I have to live in a certain way to be the highest high.
Speaker: And it's not really. It's not about how you're how what you're doing in the world of avidya. It's about reaching vidya. the ability to know, not to be in ignorance.
Speaker: And it it can only happen when your brain is not programmed by the synaptial patterning to go down the different rabbit holes as such that it does.
Speaker: So the fear pattern of loss is cut into our brain.
Speaker: And so the only way to do it is to experience no thing. It's not high. It's not low.
Speaker: It's transcendence. it's It's coming back into vidya, into the world of spirit, who you really are.
Speaker: And that world of spirit is unbound, infinite possibilities and wisdom.
Speaker: Yeah, but it's it's not an easy thing to do. this is kind of a it's it's a really hard thing, or for me at least, it was a really hard thing. I mean, when I moved to New York, when I met my wife and I started studying with you and, you know, hanging out with you a lot more, i will say that that And that relationship with that we had, that Guru Sisha, kind of like a mentor-teacher relationship, pushed me, you know, a lot. and and But it did did take a long time for me to trust you. um But when I did, it kind of felt like I was standing on ah you know on a cliff and looking into the abyss, the darkness, because it kind of feels like death and... and
Speaker: and change is what we're so afraid of and i was very neurotic before i came to study with you and afraid of death but you kind of pushed me over the years to kind of jump out into that darkness and when you do that you really need to trust that person it took me time but but i did and when you do that you you kind of, it changes you forever, but but it it took me a long time to to actually to get to that point, to trust you enough too to just, like, when you say jump, you jump.
Speaker: Because it all works with, on the subtle, energetic, on a molecular level. And so when you are actually with someone,
Speaker: who is who's cut that pattern and knows it and established in it, through, like magnetism, it's transmitted to the people they're with, so they get uplifted just by the nothingness in that being.
Speaker: I've never tried to uplift your consciousness. Because if I were trying to uplift anyone's consciousness, I would be back in my mind.
Speaker: So really it's by that ability of me doing nothing that allows one to become so uplifted by being in the presence of someone who's there.
Speaker: And it works at every different level as well. So every teacher to their students on ah at a certain level uplifts them.
Speaker: Well, I definitely feel that I'm uplifted when I'm in your presence, but I'm still quite conscious that this episode of the podcast might be a bit of a downer for people. you know it's It's like when no matter the the humanity that we all have um is, and maybe it's just me more than other people, but definitely it's limiting.
Speaker: like It's so hard to continue to pull yourself out of your mind and out of your you know, pre-programming. um And you're right, when it's a transmission of energy sitting beside you or hanging out with you, there's definitely you leave, like I i leave in a different space. But the habits are so ingrained that it's taken years and years of cutting those synapsal patterns. And I don't even know that
Speaker: I mean, I think I would trust you if I was jumping off a cliff, but not in the way that Sebastian does quite. And I think that maybe that's... I'm just so gullible.
Speaker: I'm lucky Al found me before Colt did.
Speaker: You know why, Katrina? Because Sebastian... lived here in New York for about four years and hung out six days of the week with me.
Speaker: We did marma. He was there. He got me tea. He got me lunch. We ate together. So although you've been there in so many ways, just he spent an intense period of time with me So the magnetism could be more consistent.
Speaker: I did the same thing with my father and, of course, all the the swamis and yogis that lived within our ashram, our center.
Speaker: and But with my dad, it was four and a half years that I did every day three hours of practice. an hour and a half of meditation and pranayama, and an hour and a half of asana.
Speaker: And also taught and immersed myself in yoga. And was with my dad most of the time during that period. So...
Speaker: yeah Yeah, of course. and so But that's why it's always kind of like if you're in the presence of your teacher, the transmission is a little bit more powerful.
Speaker: Now, is it essential? No. But consistent dharma is so necessary because
Speaker: Talking and getting that uplift, even if it's not like you're learning something. I hardly taught Sebastian anything except except when it came up and he heard and he heard me teaching and talking and, you know, and then he'd ask questions and here and there. Yeah, it it was definitely weird. It was.
Speaker: not at all what I thought was going to be actually, i will say. Because you know when you study with a you know teacher a guru, you think you know you're going to study the you know secrets of yoga and tantra and you know learn all these mystical things. and You do, but it it just doesn't come in the way you think it's going to come. It comes in a way that I guess you need it to come because we were talking about cameras, watching football and you know most of the time and and you know doing different things. but
Speaker: And in that, you know you had lessons and in that you kind of started talking about things. um So it just came in a different form than I thought. and And of course, that's always the case. you know that's You never get what you think you're going to get. It's different. But that's guru.
Speaker: that's the guru and And the word guru means heavy. It also means, if you split it up, remover of darkness.
Speaker: But heavy, kapha, means consistent. And so I'm never budged by my students' opinion of me or my sishya's.
Speaker: never budged by that. They can love me. They can hate me. i know it's all part of the process. If they're with me, they might get a little hmm, and then very quickly overcome it because I'm not attached to it.
Speaker: Yeah, it's it's funny because I'm in an acting class. So I started taking acting classes a couple of weeks ago. And i think it's really fun. I really enjoy it. I think it's great. But the funny thing is with it, when you're playing different characters and you're reading scripts and you're you're doing different characters, I know that that person that I, you know, act out is an illusion.
Speaker: And I try to go into that world and you train and you have different ways of going into that world and building it and understanding it, and different acting methods, and which is really fun. But I know that's an illusion. But the funny thing with that is when you that I didn't really think was going to come out of this was that when I come home from that and I shift back to Sebastian, I see Sebastian also and all the illusions he has and and understand also in a way that that's also a role I'm playing. Mm hmm.
Speaker: And that role will one day, you know, that movie is going to be over one day. And yeah, it kind of helped me in a weird way to understand, you know, my own personality and and what I like and everything that I think is me. Isn't really me. It's just, you know, circumstances and and history.
Speaker: and And every day there's a series of different movies we play. We eck. I love that analogy that you have shared before, which is about how when you watch a movie, you get caught up in it, you cry, you get scared, you feel all these emotions. And then when the movie's switched off, it's just a blank screen.
Speaker: And I often think about that as I'm watching myself move through my life. That this is a movie that I'm participating in. Yeah, yeah. My personality is participating and projecting onto the screen, but actually I'm just the screen so I could get out of my own way about it. yeah When you can be the witness, when you are the screen and you're witnessing all the different things that play in life, you can go into them, you can play them fully, you can be a good actor.
Speaker: But you've got to realize, just like Sebastian said, that you are acting. Your life is an act. Because it's just, we go into it, we put on, now I'm in this.
Speaker: And, i mean, suddenly whatever you're in is the is the main show that you're watching. Right? Right.
Speaker: Look at all the other movies you've had during your life. And so that's why the mind is so elusive because it it it seems like that movie. It seems so real when it's going because when you've slipped out of who you really are,
Speaker: That you are the witness, not the movie. And that's why, again, it's so important daily to become the witness, the observer, become the essence of who you are. You are the who. You are that part of you that even does the asking.
Speaker: When Katrina was saying, I don't want to suffer, i want this, I want to go quick, I've seen it, I don't want blah, blah. Well, who was saying all that? Who was behind that watching that little movie?
Speaker: A real person with feelings.
Speaker: A real actor with feelings. And that's why even I say to people, like if they say, well, doesn't that hurt your feelings? My feelings are illusionary anyway.
Speaker: I wish my feelings were illusionary. That would save a lot of trouble.
Speaker: No, you're the only one that's real. I mean, they do help us in a certain degree, right? I mean, the emotions and things help us. They do only help us in the theater.
Speaker: Yes, yeah that's what I'm meaning. In the theater, we do need them a little bit to to be able to run our lives. But it's it's so hard. And we're born into the theater as part of a karmic play, which is going which is evolution.
Speaker: So we do have to do our role. And you can't go through your role saying it's not really real. the role the The role is real that you're playing at the moment. you've got to realize, just like Sebastian, that you're just the actor playing all these things.
Speaker: And the actor is just your essence. Mm-hmm. So Katrina, you you when your husband was sick and and you moved through a whole his whole death and all that, ah you've also worked with people who are passing and dying.
Speaker: did it make you like Do you not fear death, being so close to it and going through all that and doing it all? Do you feel like it made you more at peace with death? Or...
Speaker: rather the opposite. Yeah, I think it's a bit of both. Watching the act of death and the, at the end, it was quite drawn out. um And there are drugs and you learn about the drugs, like there's a drug to dry up secretions so that you don't get like the death rattle and stuff. I think it makes it made me feel a little bit um claustrophobic because the breath slows down. And so when I think about slowing my breath down, and then the breath sort of has these long pauses in it, and Thinking about that almost makes me feel like gasping for air and that feeling that I want to avoid. But then on the other hand, I did see that it was a process that's natural and that is something that is profound and that is something that will come to all of us and that it is, you know,
Speaker: inevitable and if you can have a kind of graceful moving through then it's it it it can be beautiful and it was certainly like a spiritual experience for me watching James go it was also pretty intense like watching the physical component of it which can be managed with morphine and with all these drugs, but at the same time, gives me a little bit of anxiety to think about having to go through that myself. Yeah, I get that.
Speaker: Because you it's very hard to identify to that when you're not yeah in that. So when your brain is healthy and working as it should work in life, and you try and identify to a brain that's on its way out and the prana is cutting down and their breath is lowering down.
Speaker: It's hard to, you think, my God, if I was in there, I'd poop in my pants. Yeah. It's awful. But when you're in it yeah and going through that, everything is shifted. All the chemistry is shifting.
Speaker: In your mind, you mean? her In your mind, all the chemistry in your body and, of course, your mind is shifting because your thoughts are chemical. so is it all So you don't think that somebody who's in that is feeling like suffocating?
Speaker: um I think when you when you, but that's why they do help you a bit with morphine and stuff to take the mind out. Then they don't have it The mind's gone. When the mind's gone, it's just you going through the last breaths, et cetera, but you're not there.
Speaker: Your mind's not there. Sounds kind of awesome, doesn't it? Get me some morphine yeah now. i mean Yeah, morphine is the best stuff. It's really great. What's not to love? Maybe we should start selling that stuff. You're making it sound so appealing. There's a business idea. okay so right Unfortunately, the only difference is is that we're not dying normally. So that's why it's not a good...
Speaker: it Yeah, but you made it sound really good. i want say Well, I had so much morphine in my house after James died and um I, you know, I took it back to the pharmacy because I have a child and other people and I didn't want it around. But um they say that if you're in pain and you take morphine, you don't get high. It's when you're healthy and you take morphine that you get really high. So um that's, you know, that's something to consider as well. Like it du it dulls pain, but certainly you're not high on the way out if you're using it for that.
Speaker: Well, I think you're naturally high on the way out. So you don't get high on the way out because... You're naturally going beyond mine. it's I think the brain has ways of actually, and there's some proof of this, that the brain actually kind of it calms us ah before death and slows down brain signals and and yeah makes has a natural kind of ah morphine. Exactly. It is.
Speaker: that's why we That's why I said you can't identify to it. You can't identify to that no and when you're going through the process. And no one's really been able to tell us what it feels like. So, you know.
Speaker: No. No one's come back and talked about it. Well, some sometimes people kind of tell us that they saw light and some stuff.
Speaker: And the rishis told us what they saw. a light that changes to sound. And so when you meditate, the Kriya practices start to simulate that so that you become comfortable with it and then you lose more the fear of it. But they say that ah that hearing is the last sense to go. And after you've stopped breathing, you can still hear. Really? what i've That's fascinating.
Speaker: So you better be careful what you say. Around them. Where's the will? Where's the will? Yeah. How much money? Finally, they're gone.
Speaker: you you told me once that the consciousness kind of sticks around for a while. So i was kind of wondering, just like, i know it sticks around and that you can actually access that. and You can access, yeah.
Speaker: You know, because your senses... break down, the as your senses break down, the hearing is the last of your senses because it's the it's the closest to your brain. But as your chakras close down, first survival, family, body, home, all of that goes.
Speaker: Then the second chakra, your reproductive system, your movement, all of that goes. Then the third chakra, the mind dissolves, and the heat and the the seeing, and then that's your side chakra.
Speaker: So first is smell, second is taste, third is mind, fourth is touch, and fifth is hearing.
Speaker: So that's how your senses dissolve back out of you, and then you go to the back to the to the light, to Ajna and then you transcend out of the body.
Speaker: It said that it takes for the consciousness to properly release seven days for each chakra. But you can speed it up for a person by using mantras at the point of death.
Speaker: Which Katrina did, which I've done. And you did it to your father? For people. also No, my father, I wasn't here. My grandfather did. i was in New York. My father was here. had to do it long distance. Okay, but you could dial in long distance. yeah Yeah, you can do distances in your mind. so Exactly. Exactly.
Speaker: So for the for the drama of it's nice to be there, but you can do it long distance too. Which is kind of nice. So when you mean that consciousness stick sticks around for seven days, is that the consciousness like the person you associate mostly with who you are? Or do you mean more Atman, like your... your your Could you clarify that?
Speaker: your your consciousness your Your consciousness is always just there. but it goes to, it it's it enlivens your sense.
Speaker: So when you die and it starts to draw out of it, you start coming back to who you are. And it's very comforting who you are.
Speaker: The mind is scared, but the spirit isn't. The spirit consciousness doesn't know that. It just moves back out the top of the head, back to,
Speaker: quantum consciousness. yeah oh Of course, if you meditate and you do the practices and you do it, when you die, that's exactly what's gonna happen to you.
Speaker: So yeah, it's very comforting if you know meditation that that's kind of what's gonna happen. The Tibetan book of the dead, teach of the different bados, the different, the same thing is the different seven days for each chakra. I tried to read it. It was super boring. Yeah, not really uplifting. The title kind of gives it a wail. It's like, who dies in the end? Everybody!
Speaker: ah i was with Robert Thurman. Oh, yeah. I studied with him. oh yeah The Buddhist monk. He liked me a lot and kind of connected with me, wanted to be with me all the time. Anyway, he was, you know, talking and everything. He'd talk about Buddhism. And I kind of said, I'm really not interested in you know, my beliefs. And even Buddhism, it's like, okay, okay, that was a ah structure where people Buddha structured its whole concept for you.
Speaker: But when you go, you you go beyond concepts. It doesn't even exist. And you can't know those concepts that you think are going to happen. So we had lots of discussion and I said, energy is going to leave out of you and you're going to go back to a quantum field, which is no thing that your mind could possibly know, except that it's quantum.
Speaker: And then he said, you really are a Yogi Raj. said, yeah, I love this. Yeah. And then said, maybe you should, wouldn't you like to meet the Dalai Lama? And I said, no, I met you is enough.
Speaker: Did you really say that to him? Yeah. okay It's true. i did't to me, i don't I know that no human being, this Dalai Lama is made by human beings and thought and mind and belief structures.
Speaker: Anything, all these people are what human beings have made. How would you even know of Christ if it weren't a religion and made and books were written and religions were formed and this was handed down?
Speaker: mean, you know, it's kind of like crazy. You wouldn't know any of it. So many people believe so fervently and they're willing to die for a man-made cause or a man-made structure. that Look how many people believe in politicians and stuff. It's like unbelievable what belief structures can do.
Speaker: yeah But if we didnt have any belief part of something if we didn't have any belief structures, we'd find it hard to kind of like have an identity, wouldn't we? and live Like in life, right? We have our different... Yeah, 100%. But there's only one thing that it keeps coming back to. Know nothing daily.
Speaker: Every day, know what that no thing is, which is all things at once. Merge back. Your mind fragments things and creates attachments to the fragments that you've made.
Speaker: But then the mind gets back whole again. And that's the part that's infinite. The fragments are finite.
Speaker: So we've got to learn. We've got to learn daily to know how to become complete, not fragmented.
Speaker: Well, and that's the genius of nothing, isn't it? Yeah. But there is also this mantra that you taught me Al, that helps people to pass on to the other side and something you do for a loved one that has passed away.
Speaker: And I'm talking about the Mantra. And I think it's amazing. I've done it for several loved ones that have passed and just kind of helps them to, you know, more easily, gracefully pass over to the outside. So I was wondering if you could like talk a little bit about that because that's something I feel like people can can do and it's very practical. it's yeah Yeah, it's it's just a great mantra. It's it's also a Tibetan mantra called the Heart Sutra, but it's also in Tantra. A mantra that we use because it helps send the one who has moved on from their body to help them expand back out into the quantum field most gracefully.
Speaker: And so the mantra is om gatte, gatte, gatte. param gatte, parasam gatte, bodhi svaha.
Speaker: And it means, gatte means the energy to send be send on. So om gatte, gatte, gatte. You feel that you're sending the person, the spirit on, freeing it.
Speaker: Param gatte, into the beyond, beyond. Parasam gatte, beyond the beyond. Bodhiswaha, liberating the soul.
Speaker: And you do it for 49 days, right? it's it's it's You're doing seven days for the first chakra, seven days, that's how long the consciousness takes to fully disengage.
Speaker: And then seven days the next, seven days the next. And this helps the deceased person to more gracefully kind of pass over becoming nothing.
Speaker: Totally. Just help to send the consciousness on. Because usually people mourn. And when you mourn, you're actually holding them back. Yeah, because you're clinging on to that memory, to that person that they were.
Speaker: By missing and clinging and pulling them back. Whereas you want to free them. We get born and our consciousness from a quantum field gets shrunk into our body and matter and time and form and reason.
Speaker: And we're going to shrink back to something that's infinite and so great and eternal. And that's what you've always said, that you know we cry at birth and we laugh at death. Yeah.
Speaker: So smile at death. Yeah. Be happy. All right. Well, thank you, guys. Wonderful. I think that was great. Amazing. Thank you guys so much.
Speaker: Thank you. Be free. Namaste.
Speaker: Thank you for joining us today and have a super wonderful week. Namaste.
