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Introduction and Charlie Robinson's Work
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Today on the Connecting Minds podcast, we have a returning guest, Charlie Robinson. He is the author of three books, all of which I have here in print form, the Octopus of Global Control, the Control Demolition of the American Empire,
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his latest book hypocrisy which i actually have the print book of that i have not actually started reading it peruse that a little bit today looks very solid i actually have two of the books on kindle as well and one on audible.
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The control demolition of the American Empire is really well narrated. Highly recommend folks that don't have time to read, still get that one on Audible. It's really, really good. Also, Charlie is the host of one of my favorite podcasts, Macroaggressions. He's also the co-host of the Union of the Unwanted, on which I've been once. And I believe Zero Hour, which I have not had a chance to check out, but of course, you know, I will.
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sooner or later, we'll check that out. Did I miss anything, Charlie? Welcome to the show, bro. Thanks for having me. No. The audio book for Control Demolition is interesting because we got this guy who's a friend of Jeff Burwicks to be the narrator for it, Patrick Smith, and he's like,
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He's like, I saw I didn't meet him, but I saw him at a at a Norco polko over the last two years I was there before I before he agreed to do our book, I knew who he was, but I had I just never met him in person. But he's like, he's like six foot eight. He's huge, right? And he's got like,
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He's like a big Texas guy. When you talk to him, he's the nicest guy in the world, luckily. But he has this big voice, so it makes the recording sound really powerful. I like it, so I'm glad he agreed to do it. Recording audiobooks is a pain in the ass. I'm sure it is. I'm glad I'm not the one doing it.
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Yeah. What have you been up to lately? I mean, I know you're doing obviously the
Updates on Macroaggressions and New Projects
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macroaggressions podcast. You're pumping out a couple of week. Are you writing any new books at the moment or what's going on with you?
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We're going to launch a premium version of macroaggressions called MacroPlus that's going to have additional interviews, and it's going to have articles. I've got a bunch of articles written, and it's got other things too. It's got access to these shorter videos, like 15-minute videos. I already got almost 100 of those done. We'll do that. That'll be coming out in the next couple of
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Well, I mean, it's, we're just waiting on building out the website a little bit more. So in the next month or so, uh, it'll be out. So I've been working on that and yeah, I've got an idea for, for, for another book, but with the macro plus stuff, it's kind of taken up all of my time. So I'll probably wait till the summer. And if we're all still alive and start working on that, we'll see, we'll see how that goes. I'm sure some of us will still be alive.
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Some of us will still be alive. Yeah. We'll have to eat the dead people that are left over. That's the ambitious target, right? Actually, I'm not just saying this, bro, but your podcast, lately, I've been listening to it a lot more. I'll tell you why I like it, right?
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I like that you take all these pretty difficult to digest topics and you add a bit of humor, which is my kind of humor. I really like that bit of sarcasm, love that. It really helps to kind of break up the seriousness of the topics, but also I like that
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You use logic and fucking hard facts, not emotional, sort of, oh, you know, the lizard people are trying to kill us all or, you know, this kind of stuff, which I think it definitely you were you were discussing this with what's the guy's name? Foster Gamble yesterday listed that podcast. Very inspiring with that episode with Foster Gamble. And he said it, I think.
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that, you know, if you present this information in a very calm, calculated sort of logical manner, I think people respond much better to it. But also, the other thing I really like about your podcast is so far, any person whose content I listen to, I always find gaps or holes in their knowledge. Sometimes I'm like, I listen to this amazing channel, great information, or podcasts, and then I start
Charlie's Views on Power and Influence
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talking about, you know,
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global warming like it's a thing so i find i have not really found anything that i disagree with you on your podcast yet right but sorry there was a lot of
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preamble to my question. I really kind of want to go deep into stuff today because I know you're like into the spiritual stuff as well as obviously the analytical stuff. So I want to start us off today, ask you, can you maybe give us a little bit of insight into Charlie Robinson's worldview? And by that, I mean it's like a couple of two-pronged maybe questions. So I'd like to know
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Who do you really think is at the top of this pyramid, right? How do you see the world? Is it what the Gnostics see as? Is it like a soul trap? Are we here? Are souls trapped? Is it a video game like Burwick talks? Is it like Hinduism, Buddhism, like an Earth school where we reincarnate?
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And the top of the pyramid, is it just humans who have lost their way consumed by ego and greed? Is it some type of otherworldly dark force, archons, Nephilim, Anunnaki? Is it the female Illuminati that some guys talk about? What the fuck is going on in the world? Like, how do you see things?
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Well, first of all, thanks for for the nice words about the podcast. I have to just have I have to have a laugh with it because it's like this tough topics are so serious. You know, you're just you have to kind of laugh at the insanity of it all. But my worldview is
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So what I believe in is I'm deeply anti-war. I don't want wars. I understand how they start. I understand that sometimes somebody is going to invade you. You have to fight back. I get that. But what we have in this world is
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are politicians that are definitely not at the top of the pyramid. But they are, for us, the general public, we are made to believe that these people are in charge. And when they say we have to get into a war, a lot of people just say, oh, well, let's just get into a war because that's what we have to do. It's our duty to follow our leaders. And our leaders are retarded.
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and criminal and psychopathic. And they're put in these positions of power not because they have all the answers, but because they're compromised and they can easily be controlled. So I don't place any sort of trust in them.
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And I know that they're lying, and I know that they're being told what to do. They're being manipulated by people behind them. So who are those? Then we've got families. We've got these rich, powerful families. Some of them are out in the open, Rockefeller family and Bill Gates and these guys, and we see them. And then above them, you've got these organizations that are created by these families that are
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a committee of 300 in the World Economic Forum and the United Nations and Trilateral Commission and these groups that are hell-bent on two things, depopulation and forming a world government. And in order to form the world government, it's a lot easier if you have fewer people. So those two things always go together. And that, to me,
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is very ambitious. And I don't think that they're going to be able to accomplish this goal, but it also seems like it's not even a, I mean, it seems like an ambition for psychopaths for sure. But it might even be an ambition for, you mentioned like non-human entities. Now I have no experience with it. I've never had an interaction. I've never seen anybody shape shift. I've never done anything like that. I do know David Ike,
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And I know about his story about seeing Ted Heath's eyes turn, you know, completely black. And I know other people that have had experiences with other people whose eyes have turned like completely black, a thing that shouldn't happen. And their initial thought was, it felt like
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this person wasn't in control of their body, they had been taken over by something else. So okay, so if we, we start there,
Exploring Non-Human Influences and Psychedelics
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we've got this as a possibility, I appreciate and enjoy the everything that comes with psychedelics. I like that. I think it's interesting. I think it's a, you know, sort of a personal experience.
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experiment to see what this reality is. And after doing enough of that, you understand that the physical world that we see is only part of it. There's more outside of the visible spectrum. There's more things that we can't
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We can we feel it, but we can't really see it. So there's more to this world than what we see. So I'm not I'm never going to be dismissive of those that say that we are being ruled by something that is maybe, you know, in the shadows, interdimensional, sort of outside. I fully recognize that sounds insane. It sounds like science fiction. It sounds made up. It sounds, you know, it just sounds like a story you would tell somebody if you were trying to be, you know, you were just trying to shock them.
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And I get all that. But then there's, but then I look back on all the history, you know, and all the sculptures and these, the devotion to lizards and you go into the city of London, not to be confused with London itself, but the city of London, the banking haven, and there's dragon statues everywhere. And I was there a couple of years ago, I said to my wife, the dragons guard the gold, you know, like, that's, that's how I view this whole thing, you know, and not to mention the fact that
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they may be lizard people on top of all of that. And that's, you know, and that gets like, you know, Sam says that all the time, you know, and it's kind of, there's a funny component to it. But it's like, there are some things that are difficult to explain. I think that at the top of the human version of the pyramid, you've got these long, I think, I think the people that want to stay in power the longest,
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do so by checking their ego. It doesn't do them any good to be known. When you start talking about who's running us and we're mentioning Rockefellers and Rothschilds and groups like that, that's true to an extent, but that's really the public-facing version of these
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of these groups, but there's a whole other thing behind them even, which is like bloodlines and international banking families and these cartel, these groups there have been in power. Obviously they change as people die off, but that bloodline, it's very easy to dismiss it, especially for us in America. We go, oh, get out of here with that bloodline stuff and it sounds crazy.
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who really cares? I understand you want to know because we can't trace our roots back all that far. But we see that some of these people, some of these royalties and these families, they're obsessed with it. They're deeply concerned about it. And so it makes me think that they
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They know something we don't know. They are concerned about this because it matters to them. You hear this term, blue bloods and things like that. And you wonder, you just wonder, you wonder if there's been
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Genetic tampering with us You wonder how much of the how many of these these science fiction stories that you that get turned into movies are actually trying to tell us something that we don't you know in a way that we might Subconsciously be able to understand when you watch like Prometheus and you see about these people that go out and see Life and different planets and you go god is that what we you know is I don't know I don't know the ins and outs of that I do know that as far as from the human component
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It's these bloodline families and the banking institutions that they represent. And then on top of that, there's sort of like a step down below them that you get these well-known families, Rockefellers and Rothschilds, and they've done massive amounts of damage.
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if there were no alien intervention and if there were no bloodline families above them, what the Rothschilds have done to this planet and the Rockefellers is truly horrific. I mean, they might as well be monsters as far as I'm concerned because of the things that they've done. So I think I'm on a quest to figure it out like everybody else is. I don't know exactly how it all works. I don't know
Media Manipulation and Societal Narratives
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if I'll ever
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Figure out how it all works, but I do know that if you are limiting yourself I know you and I have had talks about this in the past of it you an appreciation for being able to You know not just take this this version of reality as the only one but to to also recognize that you can go beyond that and you can explore some Some other components of consciousness that are very real and seem fake to the outside or get dismissed by people Oh you guys just like drugs or anything
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hang on a second, you know, I mean, maybe but but that's not what this is. This is like, you know, you're talking about mushrooms, you're talking about DMT and ayahuasca and these peyote teachers. Yeah, man. These are teachers, teachers, yeah, teaching you things are explaining to you, you know, showing you it.
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the world from a different perspective, and you go, oh, this is interesting. Now, whatever you drag back from that experience, that's up to the person involved in it. But I have found that it's given me a new perspective, and I appreciate that because anytime I can see things from a different vantage point, I think it helps me be a little bit more well-rounded, especially when it comes to writing. I'd like to be able to know, like you mentioned before we started, that I
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You connect with the way I see the world. Well, the way I see the world has been an act in progress. I'm always sort of adding to that. And I think part of that is because I've traveled and part of that is because I read and part of that is because I don't watch the mainstream news and things like that.
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I guess the short answer is I'm still trying to figure out how it all works. I don't know that I have any sort of expectation that it will all be explained to me. Somebody will come down and say, this is how it all works. But I will tell you this, I am always on the hunt to
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gather more information about it. And when I do, I will report back to people. Yeah, totally bro.
Healing, Nature, and Technology Disconnection
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By the way, talking about plant teachers, I actually have three or four different African dream herbs.
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various roots that I grind down and make tinctures of, and you can just add them to your tea. You drink them during the day, the teas, and at night, oh, dude, the dreams, the vividness. And also, another couple, Bobinsana,
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from the amazon make tea with that they actually put it in ayahuasca some shamans put it in ayahuasca it's apparently it's like a kind of like a cloaking device it can so you can be protected from potentially what's the what's the kind of witches and you know bad guys trying on the hunt when you're on the journey but uh this bobbin sauna dude
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The dreams, the vividness of the dreams, it's unbelievable. So yeah, there's definitely a lot of stuff that the plants can teach us. And not necessarily by altering our consciousness, but just observing nature. I think that this is...
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God, if you talk about religion, this is the first religion, you know, nature, God, the sun, looking at the sun. There's so much at the moon and the stars. There's so much nature can teach us. And look what society has done to itself. We are now stuck indoors. You know, even like I was kind of in a bit of a bad way. My girls were
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away on holidays i was on my on my own with the dog for a week and i was feeling super lonely was like such a shock so i i went outside and i'm always listening to podcasts so i one day i just took the damn headphones off went out with the dog and
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I was hearing like it's getting darker, seeing crickets and birds and looking at bats and just that was so therapeutic. What the hell is wrong with you? Constantly stupid Bluetooth headphones, plastic cooking my brain slowly. But we're all guilty of that, though. I mean, from time to time, we got to like.
00:17:51
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get back, you know, get your feet on the, take your shoes off, get outside, walk around, walk on the grass, do all that good stuff and sort of get yourself connected. I feel like we're gonna need it for what we're- We're gonna need it. Where we're going. It's gonna be trying
Secret Groups and Global Politics
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times, yeah, meditation, Tai Chi and whatever else, whatever kind of floats your boat. But let me ask you now, Charlie, just to kind of, I know a lot of folks are gonna be tuning in,
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they're going to be searching for your name. They got one of your books searching for your name. They'll probably find this podcast. I know they want to talk. They're hungry for more kind of conspiracy stuff. So let me just follow up the previous question with... And again, it's not about... Some of these things feel free to speculate on. I want your opinion because
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We all have opinions, but your opinion I trust is very well informed. You mentioned the committee of 300. I know we have the committee of 13 and 9 and 7. There's mention of those. How many
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just in your opinion again, how many people do you think is like the core group that actually calls shots like start the pandemic, start the Ukraine war, whatever else? Wow, that's a really good question. I mean, I'll tell you that committee of 300 is pretty, it's a pretty good place to start.
00:19:21
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I think I've heard it described as the most powerful group in the world. I wouldn't doubt it. The people on there are kings and queens and billionaires and real diverse, well, diverse in the sense that they're in multiple industries. But I think that
00:19:44
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I don't know, boy. That group would definitely, I'll tell you, it's kind of like this. It'd be like a Venn diagram with a bunch of interlocking circles where you'd have the United Nations in one, and you'd have the Trilateral Commission in one, and the Committee of 300, and you'd have these different groups. There's a lot of intersection along a couple of people, several
00:20:06
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very powerful people. But I would say that committee of 300 group, that would be where I would look because they are either members of other groups or they have people from their family or inner circles that are spread out all over the place. It wouldn't take much. If you wanted to kick off a global pandemic or if you wanted to do something along those lines or war,
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and you got the opportunity, you're only allowed to pass one message, then I would say that if you sent that message to the committee of 300 and told them to get the word out to the people they thought would be needing to know, I think that that would be probably the place to start. I think that between that group, they would, with a couple of phone calls, be able to get things going.
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Yeah, because you had the Queen Elizabeth allegedly was the head of the comedian 300. And everyone, all the normies are like, she's just a figurehead. A parasite sucking your tax pounds out of your economy. Anyway, so do you think Putin, Biden, Xi Jinping are taking orders from the same group? Or do you think there's multiple
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I know there's always going to be politics like in an office or in a company. Do you think there's multiple? So one guy, Gary Wayne, he has a great book, the Genesis 6 conspiracy. He kind of takes it from a more, he's a Christian contrarian.
Nuclear Threats and Government Misdirection
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So I love what he says in when he's asked this question is he says that there's
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multiple, you know, how there's like, let's say, 12 or 13 bloodlines, they say, and they work, I love how he says it, they have competing interests. So, you know, like, like mafias, like mafia gangs, but they work directionally on certain things. So they will, when it suits them, so you know, pandemic,
00:22:16
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tighten down, control power, extract more from the market, continue enslaving and dominating humanity. So the question was, do you think Putin, Biden and Xi Jinping take orders from the same kind of group or do you think there's a little bit more competition? That's why certain
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certain things don't always tend to go the way they would, for example, vaccine passports are not exactly operational everywhere. What's your kind of take on that? I think that I would probably agree with Gary Wayne there. Yeah, there's multiple groups for sure. They want
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for the most part, they don't have to have a big meeting to say, we want to control the world. They know that they know how they need to go about doing that. So I mean, they do have the big meeting too, at Bilderberg and world Davos and places like that. So I mean, they don't have to have it. But sometimes they do have those meetings. And and they get on board, like, like you said, the COVID thing was Russia was fully on board with that the vaccines and all that stuff, you know, they did. But they there's also you know, there's this Western
00:23:25
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NATO group two which is no good and they they want war and they want you know that they're they're trying to keep their power to structure together then you've got the BRICS nations with Brazil Russia India China South Africa this is a group that will
00:23:46
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has their own interests. They might want control too. They want power, so they're fine with lockdowns and all that, like you said. But they also have a version where they want to take over the world and have the one belt, one road going through and all that good stuff. So they're not monolithic. They do compete against each other. And again, there's more than just those two. There's other groups that are fighting for this as well. But from time to time,
00:24:17
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it's in their best interest to work together. But like you said, mafia crime families, it's the same sort of thing. It's like, I've got this territory, you've got that territory. If you get in my territory without my approval, we could have a problem, but that happens from time to time. Just make sure that if you do that, you send a guy over to come and talk to us and explain what you were doing and then, okay, we'll work it out. And I've just finished Whitney Webb's two books.
00:24:46
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one nation under blackmail. And this is talking about this intersection of organized crime and government intelligence agencies. And what you realize is that there's almost no difference between the two of them, you know what I mean? And in fact, she was showing going back to like the 20s and 30s and 40s and, and
00:25:07
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showing how organized crime worked with the governments and then how at one point the United States military straight up went to the Italian mafia and said, listen, for our invasion of Italy, we're going to need help. Can you help us? And they said, we'll get our guys out of jail. You know, you've got a bunch of our guys that like Lucky Luciano was taken out and sent to Italy to help plan this whole thing. So America will work with the literal mafia if they need to. And so it's that sort of a kind of a
00:25:37
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like an example of this on a smaller scale. You're the Justice Department and you go after the mafia because they're the bad guys breaking the laws, but when you need them, you may cut a deal with them and the mafia says, well, listen, it's in my best interest to stay out of jail too and maybe we can work some deals out. They work together from time to time when they need to, but they're competing factions and they're doing their own thing. Where we get into problems is when
00:26:06
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The two of them collide like they are in Ukraine right now. Russia is in a tough spot because they're up against maniacs in the West. Just absolute complete unhinged psychopaths here. And in America, where I am, if you turn on the nightly news, it is all
00:26:28
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Russia is bad, unprovoked attack, unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. We've got to send more money over there. And it's like, this is crazy. So I'm fearful a little bit now because of these competing factions, because we're getting to an area where they definitely disagree. And they're both sides are big enough to make problems for everybody. And this sort of normalization of
00:26:56
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nuclear strikes as being something that should be on the table is, it's insane. It's just really crazy out here. Do you believe this narrative that nuclear weapons exist? How do they represent them?
00:27:12
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Well, I'll tell you this. I know that I've heard people say nukes are fake and everything. This is what I do know from family experience. My grandfather worked at a place called Oak Ridge in Tennessee. And Oak Ridge was right next to this power plant.
00:27:34
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But then when the war kicked off, Oak Ridge was next to this power plant and they brought a bunch of guys from the power plant over. So he wasn't in the military. He was a civilian, but they needed him. And so in his team, they were all working on something and they didn't know what they were working on. It turns out they were working on the atomic bomb, but they didn't know that at the time. So I know that the atomic bomb exists and I know that that is like one deviation away from a nuclear device. So.
00:28:03
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I don't know, people say, are nukes real or fake? I believe that they are real based on the evolution of the technology. I hope we don't ever have to find out, but I do know, where I can say, with 100% certainty, I do know about atomic bombs because my grandpa felt really bad about that. He was not one of those guys that was like, yeah, we won the war and everything. His take on it was,
00:28:34
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We were tricked. We didn't know what we were doing. We didn't know we were participating in that. And he said, I wanted us to win the war too, but I didn't want to be involved in something that would kill that many people. I get you, man. I get you. I think the media, whenever they're unfolding a narrative, it's like the
00:28:54
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the art of misdirection. So, you know, fear, we know what fear does to the human psyche. So could could all this blowing the trumpet about nukes nukes nukes, could it be some diversion while some other nefarious shit's going on? Sure. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you said, it's really good at getting you focused on it. Right. I mean, that's it's
00:29:23
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Theoretically, it's the most important thing ever, right? Even if these two sides say we will never use nuclear weapons against each other. You just need a couple people that say, well, we're changing the deal. And of course, in America, we always change the deal.
00:29:38
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Whether it's like NATO or whatever we say we're going to do, we'll protect you, we'll come in and help your country, we always lie. I mean, not us, the people, but the governments, we always lie. Look, it could be that they've got us focused on nuclear weapons while they loot the place, which is most definitely happening, but nuclear weapons is a big one.
00:30:02
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So something else bigger has to be going on, something that is of the same size and scope. If they're already bringing out the concept of maybe we're going to use nuclear weapons and that sort of thing, that's a
00:30:16
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obviously something to keep an eye on. But like you said, when the magician wants you to look one place, you know, he's like pulling the bird out of his back pocket with the other hand. So what are they doing? What is this going on? And where are they doing it? Because we're all looking at Ukraine. So should we be looking at Antarctica? Should we be looking at China? You know, Taiwan? I mean, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:30:40
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At this point, I know it's probably not healthy. I need to take a break from research, I suppose. But the way I see it,
Societal Collapse and Government Control
00:30:50
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it's like... I kind of said something similar when we were talking with Ricky. I had him on the podcast.
00:30:59
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last month. It's like this invasion of Ukraine, and you know the situation as well as me, probably better in Europe, but the invasion of Ukraine, this stuff with the LNG, the pipelines being now not out of operational,
00:31:21
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It's literally putting the chess pieces in place to, at any point in time, cut the fucking power. Or to start with the internet. Now, the last couple of days, there's this narrative, oh, Russia might, there's ships near France, they might cut the, you know, damage the under-sea cable. So they could turn off the internet, they could turn off the power both at the same time.
00:31:48
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And it's like they could, at that point, when you cut off the information stream from people, they can say anything. They can say Russia bombed Kiev, or let's say another city. And this is, so my convoluted fucked up thought pattern is like, okay, if they do this, let's say New York or Lisbon, let's say,
00:32:14
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I've seen it's called openinfrastructuremap.com or .org. You can look at infrastructure, cell phone towers, water, solar installations, major power stations and cables and stuff.
00:32:34
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Think about it like this. If it's a city with lots of 5G tower installations, could they do a regular old bomb or something, say it was a tactical nuke, and then turn on the 5G, and then people have similar symptoms from 5G? It's because it's radiation.
00:32:56
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You can say, those are the symptoms of the radiation, but it's the actual 5G. Could it then be like, you know, martial law, cut off the power, kill the supply chain, people obviously not having food, they become famished, they start getting sick, and then you can have an endless amount of fucking pandemics to blame, simple malnourishment causing illness and death, and boom, 2025, deagle report numbers come true.
00:33:24
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This is how this like, maybe it might tell me I'm being just paranoid, bro. Well, I mean, you're just going where these maniacs might be going in their own little secret meetings. I mean, they're talking about these things. And all everything that you mentioned is all doable. This isn't like something that needs to be, you know, like you said, if you cut out the if you cut the communication lines and you cut the power out to a region, then
00:33:54
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then you can tell them whatever story you want. Well, the power and everything went out because Russia fired a nuclear missile and it was an air burst and it created an EMP and it knocked all this stuff out. And like you said, you crank up the 5G and turn that on, everybody starts to feel sick from that and they go in and the doctors go, God, well, it looks like you have radiation poisoning. And you're the 10th case I've seen today of this and everybody's,
00:34:23
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everybody fits that description, you know, like if you had COVID, but you actually just had a cold. And they said, well, you fit the description of COVID. Like, yeah, well, they could easily do that. And then all it would take is turn, you know, turn, get the power going again at some point, and then just have the media
00:34:42
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consolidate the media consolidate everything while the power was out and just say listen you know this is martial law so now we're putting an end to any of this alternative media stuff getting out this is going to be about internet id cards they can install all kind when we come when the power comes back on we're gonna have to have it things are gonna have to be different we're gonna have to have you know somebody was was
00:35:07
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They were they were talking about this in these chat rooms But you know, they were they were some people were saying that this was gonna happen We didn't know who they were so we need to have an internet ID card so we now know who everybody is online because it might have been these nefarious people involved and and so then that so the power comes back on and the internet comes back on eventually because they just turned the switch off and
00:35:31
Speaker
but everything's different now. Now it's not the same internet you remember. Now you have to be a known person to be on there. And now it's like, well, listen, we have to get the, we have to do the good information act or something stupid like that, where it's like only the most trusted sources are allowed to be talking about this, this stuff anymore because we're in a state of war. And, you know, and then next thing you know, it's just mainstream media and they're going, Russia did it, Russia did it, Russia, you know, and, and,
00:36:01
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95% of the people around the world, they don't know any better. I guess that's what happened, because how would you know?
00:36:12
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a scenario where they would do that. I mean, if they just wanted to get rid of a bunch of people, they'd just turn the power off for two months and let everybody kill each other. Because here in America, in the big cities, that would happen in about 48 hours or in New York City in about four minutes. People are already half animal.
00:36:32
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there. If there was a belief that the power wasn't coming back on, I think that's what would do it. Now, if you have a hurricane comes through and it knocks the power out and everyone's like, oh, there's a hurricane coming and then the power goes out, well, you know that the guys are going to get out there and fix it eventually. But if all of a sudden the power goes out, nobody says anything and you don't know if it's coming back and you go, oh, it'll be on later today. And then today turns into tomorrow and then tomorrow turns into a week.
00:37:02
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then you start going, well, it may never come back on, right. And then at that point, that they could wipe out 90% of the people with that, you know,
00:37:13
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I don't think you're crazy for thinking those things at all. I think that you are currently being, they're making a list and saying, we need to recruit this guy. We like the way he thinks. But I mean, you're just thinking the way these maniacs think about stuff like that. Like if I were deranged lunatic with all this power and I wanted to get rid of all these people, how would I do it? Well, that'd be one way to get rid of a lot of people really fast, but it would be a mess for sure. You definitely wouldn't want to be around
00:37:42
Speaker
Watching that stuff go down. You'd want to be in your underground bunker for sure. What about I think here's another one Here's another one kind of I've been mulling. Oh, this is why I really was excited to talk to you because I want I Want to kind of bounce ideas off of you because obviously, you know you you do this intensely You know
00:38:07
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So what about the fact that the internet, our phones, they're these incredibly sophisticated surveillance tools and if you turn off the internet or the power or both, now
00:38:24
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All these people, okay, sure it could be chaos for sure, but all these people are left to their own devices. So, you know, you don't have the TV to brainwash them with, you don't have all these EMFs, like people in like big cities with, you know, getting 30 Wi-Fi signals from your neighbors and cell phone towers. So, you know, people might lose some weight, some chronic diseases might get reversed from, you know, fasting a little bit here and there.
00:38:51
Speaker
So what about the fact that maybe they don't want to do that, at least not for too long, because then, you know, it might, it's, it's not, I don't think it's, it's easy to, it's like, it's easy to break shit, but it's not easy. Like this laptop in front of me, it's, I can break it in a minute, but I couldn't build it in 20 years on my own. So it's, you know, shit's working. You don't want to, to, to mess with it as well. Right.
00:39:21
Speaker
Yes, that's that's the the smart way to do it is to not break everything while you're while you're in the process the smart way to do it is to keep the the people like pacified and Surviving so that they're not out looking at who's you know as long as like here in America as long as we're
00:39:45
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Relatively comfortable. We don't protest we don't go out there and do that. So from a strategic standpoint
00:39:53
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If you were planning on just turning the power off and keeping it off for six months and killing a bunch of people, then I don't think it really matters. But if you're just doing it to mess with people, you turn the power off for too long and then turn it back on, you're going to have a bunch of very disoriented people that are now out in the streets doing stuff, talking to their neighbors and there's like a buzz and they're looking for answers.
00:40:21
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Right now, you've got a bunch of people that don't even know that they should be asking questions, let alone looking for answers. If you want to be evil, you could turn the power off and turn it back on and turn it back off and turn it back on and do this and really screw people up.
00:40:41
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stirring up a big hornet's nest, you get a bunch of people out angry and scared and confused. And now they're out in the streets. But what you've got them right now is very passive and docile and dependent and, and relatively quiet. And they they sort of control the
00:40:58
Speaker
how much dissent there is. You can say some things online, but you can't say everything. So they've got you in this little box where you can fight with each other for these acceptable areas of disagreement. But if you get outside of that, it's a big problem. So where they've got us now is actually, strategically, for them, it's the best place because we're not out in the streets. We're not protesting and doing all this stuff. So they need to do...
00:41:28
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They need to make sure in America that we're just happy enough so that we won't get up and do something about it. And that's kind of where we are right now. We're like, they're just turning up the temperature very slowly with inflation and the woke stuff. And it's just enough to get you mad online. But then when you walk away from your computer, it's like, eh, well, it's not my problem anymore. But once it actually becomes
00:41:55
Speaker
your problem and you can't avoid it anymore, then you've got a bunch of people that have to go do something about it maybe. Then they're outnumbered. That's a huge problem. If they want to do it, they can do it one of two ways. Either keep us where we are and just allow us to continue and do whatever they want to do behind our backs because they're already doing that.
00:42:19
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and slowly kind of slowly kill us. Or if they want to do it all at once, like I said, they turn the power and the internet off and just not turn it back on for a long, long time. That will definitely do it. But if you do something in between,
00:42:33
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then you're just going to get a bunch of people that are now sort of awake to what's going, maybe not aware of everything, but they're just, they're now angry or scared or out of food or out of whatever. And that's definitely going to be a dangerous time. So I'm sure they've planned this. I'm sure they've role played this. I'm sure there's Johns Hopkins.
00:42:56
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has done some simulation where they've tried this out. Like, what happens if we cut the power operation blackout or something? I'm just making that up. But you know, there's some there's got to be some some simulation they've done. It's like, well, week one, there's massive chaos week two, people start to die week three, people start to get really desperate week four, you know,
00:43:15
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They've already looted everything that could be looted. They've started burning down buildings. I'm sure there's some scenario out there. If you find it, let me know because I'd love to know.
00:43:31
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That's not depressing at all, bro. So, okay. All right. Yes. I think, yeah, we seem to be on the same page. Well, I mean, a lot of, a lot of what I know as well is like, is listening to you going over certain scenarios, you know, that various white papers were published after stuff like that. So.
00:43:58
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Yeah, they tell you how they'll do it. In these simulations, they say, well, in the simulation, we did this, and we did this, and this, and this, and it didn't work very well, or it worked okay. So they'll tell you what they're thinking, but in the end,
00:44:17
Speaker
In the end, you never really know because it was just a simulation. But when we look at that spars pandemic document and overlay it on now, you go, oh man, that looks scary. When I was talking about that two years ago, I was like, I really hope this isn't a thing. I really hope this is like,
00:44:34
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not going to play out the way it's supposed to, but unfortunately, it seems like it is. So maybe we'll find that they've already role played this concept and they know what we'll do before we do it because they probably do. They probably do know what we'll do in these situations based on our behavior and everything they know about us. You know Mark Pacio, right? I do. Yeah. So he says basically the way he kind of
00:45:02
Speaker
summarize it, there is a priest class that control the world. And he says for tens of thousands of years, and I tend to believe that with other research I've done, and what differentiates them from the common person, common man, woman, is they have a ton of occult knowledge. They know
00:45:28
Speaker
so much and they guard it jealously. So they know us, our psyche and how we would react in various situations so much better than like the best psychologists, psychiatrists you find, the best PhDs in any of these things. They eat those guys for breakfast, you know, they know. So they
00:45:51
Speaker
when they plan these things out, I don't even think that they're like, you know, I think that on day three, they'll do this or day six, they'll do that. They know because maybe potentially this stuff has happened multiple times. You know, if you look at all this, there's definitely evidence that there's been, quote unquote, great resets in history, maybe even, maybe even every
00:46:16
Speaker
couple hundred, four hundred years, or maybe less often. But if you look at history, it seems like a lot of the mainstream history is bullshit, just basically to obfuscate our real history as humans, which could be much more rich and diverse than we are led to believe. Oh no, we're fucking monkey people who evolved from a fish that jumped on water and
00:46:42
Speaker
Oh, then suddenly the wheel, fire, iron, and oh, boom, you know, we can build skyscrapers. Oh, yeah, sure. In 200 years, you know. Anyway, so they know us really well. So I definitely, you know, I agree that they know how we react. And now they have all this
00:46:59
Speaker
analytics from the internet. They can test out the monkeypox thing. They were like, let's gather analytics from this thing. People are like, are you kidding me? We're sick of the monkeypox. Give us nooks. We need nooks, guys. You're not getting us like this. I wanted to really see, do you envision
00:47:22
Speaker
good scenario. I know there's going to be a lot of struggle in the next decade, let's say, but what are some of your fantasies and visions of how this will turn positive for us?
00:47:37
Speaker
Well, they're, they are behind schedule. It seems this agenda 2030 push that they're doing, it seems like something has gone wrong and they're trying to push it up high, you know, make it happen sooner. And I think that's a good thing because the sooner they, you know, the faster they try to do this, the greater the chances are that they'll mess up. Now I think they've already messed up on COVID. I don't think that that went the way they thought it was going to go. Why is that?
00:48:03
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COVID, I don't think COVID. Why is that? Well, I mean, they thought it was going to be more deadly than it was. They thought it was going to be...
00:48:15
Speaker
that everyone was going to see dead bodies everywhere and that it would just be like, we've got to, you know, I mean, in the, the, the event 201 simulation, they have it at 65 million dead worldwide. So, and that only stops once a vaccine is rolled out. So they didn't get anywhere near that. They had to make up numbers and they had to make up incentives to get people to take the vaccines here. You know, they would give you a donut a day for the rest of the year. Stupid stuff like that.
00:48:44
Speaker
I just don't think that's plan A. If that's plan A, then you need a new plan, because that's cartoon level-like incentives to get people. I mean, even in America, where we are motivated by-
00:49:03
Speaker
Yeah, Bill de Blasio talking about you get this great cheeseburger here and you're like, you're trying to sell medicine here? The whole thing was weird. I saw that and I go, this is good. This is a good thing because if they have to resort to this nonsense, then you know it's not going well. I think COVID was a failure to them. Got some things, but it maybe got them money and a little bit more power.
00:49:29
Speaker
It didn't wipe us out and it didn't make us didn't make everybody rush out and get the shots. There's still so many people that refuse to take it. That's a big problem for them.
00:49:38
Speaker
So I think that there is a scenario in which the people start to get, I mean, this is the unfortunate part of this, of the scenario. In order for it to get good, it's probably going to have to get bad first. And I think that the bad part is that if we do run this simulation, you know, this reality that we're in, we go out a couple of years and it does look like that sparse pandemic document where everybody that took the vaccine starts dying.
00:50:07
Speaker
like in massive numbers. And in that fictional scenario, they said like, it got it gets to a point in this in this scenario where it's undeniable that it's caused by the vaccines, like they can no longer try and say, oh, it was something else that was it just becomes known that that's what was doing it. And if that happens, obviously, there'll be massive deaths and and that will be horrible. But in the aftermath of that,
00:50:34
Speaker
you can't control people anymore. You're going to have a
Non-Compliance and Resistance
00:50:38
Speaker
difficult time. You can't tell people to go pay their taxes when half their family's dead because they trusted the government and took this vaccine. You told me this was safe. You told me this would protect my family. You told me I couldn't go to work and I couldn't get on an airplane and I couldn't cross the border. You threatened my job and you told me that I was going to have a winter of
00:50:58
Speaker
of a dark winter a winter of death and all this stuff so i did it and my family did it they all went out and got the shots because you told them you threaten them and promise them and all that stuff and now they're dead and you want me to pay taxes i'm never paying i'm never paying anything in fact i'm not pulling i'm not stopping at stop signs anymore
00:51:16
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you know, I'm not doing this, I'm not doing that, you know, then you've got an unmanageable group of people. And that actually could be a good thing. Moving forward, that's the scenario that the positive fantasy I have is that, unfortunately, and I don't and I don't wish that the vaccine related deaths on the population, of course, that should be, you know, implied, but, but if that happens,
00:51:40
Speaker
and we're already starting to go that direction and see that a lot of people are getting sick and dying from this. But if that happens on a massive scale worldwide,
00:51:50
Speaker
You can't control anybody. Now, the media is ineffective. Governments are ineffective. It's still going to be tough, of course, but you've taken out their prime mind control mechanism, which is the mainstream media. If you get rid of that, you're on the right path. Then you get rid of the government
00:52:11
Speaker
all the little puppets that are out there and government telling you, oh, well, you know, it's safe and effective and you have to do this and we're, we're, we're, we're having an, we're going to vote for a new guy. And it's like, no, we're not voting. No, we're not interested. You know, we, hey, we've named a new person, prime minister. Don't care. We don't care. You know, they, they come out there and do their, they wave on the first day, somebody shoots them and they go, Oh, okay. Well, this is going to be a lot more difficult. So.
00:52:39
Speaker
I do have a, you know, in my head, there is a scenario in which the the control structure breaks down. And and I hope that happens. But unfortunately, I think we're going to have to go through some, some dark times to to get there. That's yes. Yes, bro. Look, I believe I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you're an anarchist, aren't you?
00:53:05
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I go, I, you know, I, it's tough when you say that like, Oh yeah. Cause cause then someone comes with a big list and they go, you didn't do this and you didn't do this. And you're like, I mean, but theoretically I prefer there to not be.
00:53:21
Speaker
a government in charge right now, the way it is. I think, you know, anarchism is we're so conditioned to being rude, to having someone in charge. That's how, you know, the school system does this, you know, listen to the teacher, fuck off. I'm not going to listen to the teacher. He's full of shit. You know, that, you know, I feel like
00:53:47
Speaker
I've always been an anarchist, bro, since a very young age. I just didn't have the way to articulate it, right? But I have this kind of... I think about these things quite a lot, obviously, because I can see turmoil in the world, and people are suffering already, and it seems like
00:54:09
Speaker
our ignorance, our collective ignorance, like Marc Pacio says, in the aggregate, causes all to suffer. So I'm always thinking, dude, when the COVID lockdowns happened, we were living by the beach here in Portugal. And a few weekends, there was a curfew, I think, from 1 PM.
00:54:38
Speaker
you couldn't be outside you couldn't even go outside so i would go take i have a nice drum take my dog go out you know play my drum in in kind of the around the trees walk my dog on the massive beach on our own on our own occasionally you might see some some guy going you know go home you know you're supposed to be home like yeah okay you you go home bro something to myself like if everybody
00:55:07
Speaker
collective non-compliance. If everyone was like, nah, nah, you know what, nah, stick your jab up your ass. No, I'm not going to wear the mask. No, I'm not going to stand to fear. I'm just going to go into the store and not put a mask on. Like, you know, if everybody or even like 30 percent of people did, then the other 20, 30 percent that have the balls would do it. There will always be a small or whatever. There will be a fraction of people, some
00:55:36
Speaker
maybe small minority minorities. It doesn't matter. There will always be those those rule followers. But if enough people set example, like I, for example, like with the masks, I'm walking around stores and I do I, I will only put my mask over my nose before when some security guard or some Napoleon complex, you know, employee tells me to do it, you know, the rest of the time I'm like this.
00:56:06
Speaker
And I'm looking at other men going around. I'm looking at them like making eye contact with every single one of them like like this, like just trying to, you know, verbally communicate with being a fucking pussy. Quit being a fucking pussy. And I, in front of my wife, try not to make a scene. There have been a few scenes, of course, but I don't give a fuck. We went to a clinic for the osteopath and this woman behind the counter.
00:56:37
Speaker
She's aggressively telling me to do that. And I was walking towards the toilet and I turned back. It was like three of them behind the counter as like customers there. And I went like, can you be a little bit? No, but just very calmly. Can you be a little bit more, you know, what I say, can you be a little bit less rude? I'm not an animal. And she just like looked at me like this.
00:57:00
Speaker
Just like, nodded. You know what I mean? Like, dude, if we all, if we all just, people are fed up, but if you act on it.
00:57:09
Speaker
if you find your balls or whatever, you know, your hypothetical balls or metaphorical balls and just stand up. This all goes away, man. It just, it can go away and they will try everything. They will try martial law. They will try, people get arrested. Some people might get hurt, but non-compliance, dude, it's so easy. Anarchy is so
00:57:34
Speaker
easy. The hard part is taking responsibility for your life, for your family's well-being and not expecting. What happens when there's inflation? People want fucking more of the government to print money and give them more money.
00:57:49
Speaker
Everybody has got their own path to it. What are some things, some words of wisdom to focus on? How can you live the anarchist ethos more every day? What are you doing? What would you recommend people to do?
00:58:11
Speaker
Well, first is to get clear on what anarchy is and isn't. And I think they've done a very good job of conflating what it actually means with what they want you to think. They want you to think that anarchy means no rules. And what it technically means is no rulers. And there's a huge difference between that. Now, obviously I write a book with a guy, Jeff Berwick, who is
00:58:39
Speaker
has a conference, Anarchopulco, the largest anarchist conference in the world in Acapulco, Mexico. He also goes all over the world speaking and talking about this stuff. What I found at these conferences is that it is not like a Grateful Dead concert. It's not a bunch of hippies. It's a bunch of people that are really smart and they are tired of the government. They're all ages. I saw people that were in their
00:59:05
Speaker
1920 and I saw people that were in their 70s. I did ayahuasca with a bunch of people that were in their mid 70s. It's like a way of being as opposed to some sort of religious movement or anything like that. It's responsibility for yourself.
00:59:31
Speaker
which is very difficult here in the States. So you got a lot of people that don't want that because taking responsibility for yourself is hard. And it's easier if you can just say, well, it's that guy's fault, or it's the government's fault, or it's because I'm this color, or I'm this gender, or I'm whatever. There's all these reasons. It's like, you got to get past all that. And you say, no, I'm responsible for a lot of the stuff that I'm facing.
00:59:56
Speaker
I'm responsible for my behavior. I'm responsible for the way I treat my kids. Like I mentioned, Patrick Smith, the big guy that did our audio book, he runs a peaceful parenting program where he teaches families.
01:00:12
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you know, how to raise your kids in a way that is consistent with the non-aggression principle. I would love you to introduce me to him. I'd love to interview him, actually. For sure. He's a great guy and he does interesting work. And he's all about unschooling. He still wants his kids to get educated, of course, but
01:00:31
Speaker
but not in the way that the state wants you to be educated. He wants them to be educated in some other different ways. There's people that I've met that are doing it kind of the right way. As an example with him, it lives in Texas and has the ability to open carry. So he has a gun. Doesn't take it with him everywhere he goes, but he has that option. But he told me that the time that he does
01:01:01
Speaker
use his does have his gun on him where everyone can see it is ironically when he's
01:01:09
Speaker
when he does this with a group of people once a week where they go and they feed the homeless in this park, and he doesn't have the gun with him to protect him from the homeless. He has the gun with him to protect him from the police, because the police will come and harass them for feeding the homeless. But he's found that when he has his gun with him, the police don't mess with him. So it's just kind of an interesting side note. So it's like, okay, so here's a guy who
01:01:37
Speaker
is against the state, is against the school system, and yet his core principles are, let's not yell at our kids, let's raise our kids the right way. Oh, and by the way, I have a little bit more than what I need, so I'm gonna go out and make sure that the people that have less than what they need get fed, because the state won't do it.
01:01:58
Speaker
And
Practical Resilience and Community Building
01:01:59
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so it looks like all of us, this group, will have to do it. And so that's one example of it. I had this misconception the first time I went to an archipelago that it was going to be like a Grateful Dead concert, just hippies and everyone is just out of their minds and just a bunch of chaos. And what I found on the Friday night when I was there was that these buses pulled up and I was waiting. I had an
01:02:27
Speaker
had the ayahuasca ceremony going on like later that night. And so I couldn't get on the bus. I was asking like, what are these buses doing here at the hotel? Like four of them pulled up all at once. And this guy says, Oh, are you here? Are you going with the group? I'm like, I don't know what the group is. What are you guys doing? They said, Oh, we're
01:02:47
Speaker
If you have a ticket to this, you can buy a ticket to this event and they're just taking everybody over to this nature preserve and they're all going to let these baby sea turtles go out and get into the water. You know, they're all hatching right now, so they're going to escort them into the water. And I was like, that's some anarchy you got there, right? You know, it's so like my whole, my whole concept.
01:03:08
Speaker
Yeah, my whole concept was different after seeing that I realized there's a lot of good people and so what they're doing the way they approach this problem of the state is they don't even bother wasting their time of like well what we're gonna do is we're gonna vote for us and we'll get in there and we'll change the system they don't even bother that they just say listen that system is outdated and broken we are doing a small a much much smaller version of a different system and we'll tell you what if you like our version
01:03:37
Speaker
Come join us if you like the existing version stay where you are like we don't we don't care but but if you see if you like what we're doing you just have to leave that system and come over to the new one and be productive and help out it's not like.
01:03:56
Speaker
communism or anything like that. It's not that. It's self-determination. You work hard and do the things that you need to do. Nobody in this group is going to tell you to stop unless you're hurting somebody, but then in that case, you probably don't belong there anyway. I met the most educated people there. I met people that were building
01:04:22
Speaker
whole different homeschooling curriculums and what they call unschooling because first they want to deprogram you and then teach you the more important things. All the crypto guys were there. We have gold and silver guys talking about sound money. We have other guys talking about how to get a passport. We have other guys talking about know your legal rights and know how to deal with these. I was like, this is a
01:04:47
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This is an event where you can really get some value. You can go to it and then once you're done, you go home and you've got contacts and you've got information and you now know people that are doing these things that just seemed a lot like a better version of reality in this anarchist community. It's not perfect and they haven't worked out all the bugs for sure. Of course.
01:05:07
Speaker
But at least they're trying to do something different and I think that they're going in the right direction, but not everybody. Again, it's not a monolithic group either because there are some people that are like, fuck the police and I just want to get high and do all this stuff. It's like, all right, well, that's fine, but you're not really contributing a whole lot. But the people that I met there were like,
01:05:31
Speaker
doing their own, launching their own companies. And they're like, well, listen, this is where you register your company. And this is where you don't, you know, you don't want to pay taxes here. You want to go to this jurisdiction. And so you're like, oh shit, you're like writing all this information down. Like, oh, they're giving me some good stuff. So that's why I like the conference. That's why I'm speaking there again.
01:05:49
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less to hear myself talk and more to just be able to like once I'm done speaking, go watch everybody else and see what they're talking about. Because I've met interesting people that are that are talking about hell. I met the president of Lieberland, which is like guy who's starting his own country. You know, so like that guy is that guy is like interesting as hell. So you know, there's those guys out there too.
01:06:12
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Man, that's really awesome, dude. And again, people have this misconception of what anarchy is. If you give me a couple of kilograms of tomatoes and I help you put your chicken coop together, that's anarchy. It's a transaction, a voluntary transaction.
01:06:37
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that adds value in both of our lives and nobody is forcing us nobody's extorting anything from it there's no intermediary that there's no permission required right this is how dude this is how.
01:06:53
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communities, like this is how the world will thrive, you know, and this is such a beautiful thing, bro, you know, and, you know, this episode with Foster Gamble yesterday, it was actually very inspiring. I'm at a stage now
01:07:09
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Kind of a little bit oversaturated with the doom and gloom so i'm at a stage where i'm kind of more thinking solutions and i still kind of keep keeping your to the ground per se but i'm trying to do you know actions daily actions that.
01:07:26
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you know, just stabilize my mind and, you know, body and soul and all that good stuff. And, you know, I think it's better to fix up something around the home, you know, than just watch another fucking doom and gloom video on how Russia and Ukraine are going to start the apocalypse, you know? Yeah, I
Grassroots Movements and Podcasting Threats
01:07:49
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agree with you. And I'm guilty of doing that, too. And from time to time, I have to sort of pull back. And that's why I had, you know, I had
01:07:57
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I had some heavy concepts and some heavy episodes over the last couple of months. And so I wanted to like, lighten it up. And I remember I didn't actually I met Foster Gamble, virtually I was we were doing they moved to narco polko online for one year. And he was speaking and I was speaking and he went he was going before me and then they brought me in.
01:08:23
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To the you know from the waiting room sort of digitally brought me in to the conversation he was having with jeff so we chatted for a couple minutes and then he dropped off and then my presentation started so i didn't actually that's that was the extent of me meeting him but i had watched his movies and i knew who he was for a while and i always thought he was a interesting guy and then i
01:08:44
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And then one of these guys that I know, a guy named Doug MacKenty, who has a podcast called The Shift, a really, really nice guy, really thoughtful guy, he reached out to me one day and he said, I just got brought on to be their social media director for Thrive. And I was like, oh shit, I want to talk to Foster Gamble. Can you make that happen? He's like, yeah, absolutely. And I was like, cool. So we did. And I was really grateful for that because I liked
01:09:10
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I liked their vibe. And they're talking about just coming at this from a solution, a different solution. But we can complain about the system all day long. We're good at that. We know where all the flaws are. But he's like, let's build a different system. Let's build it a little bit. Do this here and do that there. And yeah, man.
01:09:36
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We have to recognize the insanity of everything, but we also have to kind of also talk about solutions and say, well, OK, how do we do this differently? How do we build this back? How do we make our currency? How do we get it outside of that system? How do we work with one another? How do we set up these groups? It's funny because I talked to him
01:09:58
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I talked to him and recorded that interview. And then the very next, and I told him when we got done recording, I said, I'm going to Maui the next day. I was gonna go for a week for my birthday. And he said, well, did you know that we, he says, did you know about the Monsanto situation in Maui? And I go, yeah, yeah, Monsanto was like,
01:10:22
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heavily involved in Maui and spraying, you know, glyphosate everywhere. I remember reading about that a while ago. And yeah, I wondered about that. And he said, well, you know, they don't, they, Monsanto is not there anymore. And I said, no, I didn't know that. What happened? He said, we got them out. And I was like, what? And he said, yeah, our group, the coordination, the effort that we have, like the way we have these cells set up,
01:10:49
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we do sort of a similar kind of anarchist type thing, where we say, anybody wants to be a part of this cell, tell us what your skills are, because we don't need you to be working in accounting if you're a social media marketer. We want you to do it. So they found, this guy's a lawyer, this person's really good at forensic accounting, this person is a great researcher, and they just put all these people together,
01:11:14
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and coordinated themselves and got Monsanto out of Maui. So I was like, holy crap. So even then it was like synchronistic. I'm just talking to him about that. And then a day later, I'm there in Maui and I'm going, I talked to the guy that got them thrown out of here. I felt like good by association, just by knowing this guy. So again,
01:11:40
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it's possible. It's possible to change these things. And just because Monsanto is there ruining the world doesn't mean that they have to be allowed to do it forever. We can sort of get up against these things. We have more power than we're being told that we have, of course. And so I think that's maybe the greatest secret of all is that if we come together,
01:12:02
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against whoever, whatever faction we were talking about earlier, one group or the other group or, you know, if we collectively come together, doesn't have to be forever. But just even temporarily to focus on a core issue, we have tremendous power, but but it's in their best interest to
01:12:21
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make us forget about that. Totally. Well, look, if we can go to the moon, we can achieve anything, right? Dude, seriously, though, I have to, again, repeat. I really needed this Foster Gamble episode yesterday. I appreciate you for putting it out. I was on their website yesterday. I just haven't had really time. I'll definitely sign up for their free trial and maybe sign up for a few months. Definitely going to check out those documentaries.
01:12:49
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and folks listening, just check out Macro Aggressions, Charlie's podcast, Foster Gambo is the guest. It's a really just, I don't even know what to call it. It's just,
01:13:02
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just very eclectic, seems like a very eclectic group of people just doing amazing stuff. He was talking about free energy devices and things like that. And, you know, this stuff you're talking about getting Monsanto out, I believe he said that the groups share a lot of the documentation. So if you want to do a similar, you know, lawsuit or whatever, there's a lot of the work done for you. So, you know, like, I mean, just think of the just think of the potential.
01:13:31
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This is, I think, where the internet is like, I think, who was it? Maybe Sam likes to say it a lot is that a lot of people say that the internet got out of hand for them. That's why they want to do this digital ID bullshit because it got out of hand. They don't want podcast is the podcasting industry. You know, the podcasting is probably kind of the last bastion of free speech hope that we have. I don't know what you think.
01:14:02
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Yeah, and it's part of the reason why I'm working on this walled garden, building a separate thing that doesn't rely on the distribution methods of Apple and Spotify and all these groups. I haven't had any problems with them so far, but I mean, that's just so far. That could change tomorrow. Totally.
01:14:25
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if they want to crack down on dissenting voices, they would definitely look at some of the podcasts for that. And so I would expect that the same treatment we get on YouTube, which is that I get my channel just deleted one day for no reason. I hadn't done anything. I hadn't posted anything on it in four months, but they just deleted it. And they didn't give me a reason. They just said it was gone and I'm not allowed to put a new one up. I was like, well, I wasn't going to anyway. Why would I?
01:14:54
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But
01:14:56
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you know, they'll come for podcasts at some point, they'll, well, whatever, wherever the information is getting out, they're going to want to have that stop. So part of me was like,
Charlie's Upcoming Projects and Closing Remarks
01:15:06
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well, I've got to find a place where I can do this without, you know, I don't know that you're ever going to get completely away from it, but just, I want to make it at least a little bit more difficult for them to, to, to take me down. And I want to do it now before it's a problem, because if I wait until it's a problem, then they'll just,
01:15:20
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um...
01:15:25
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Wake up one day and my show doesn't exist anymore nobody knows how to find out anything about me so i didn't want to do that so that's that's part of why we're doing it you know.
01:15:36
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Uh, we, we have to, we have to think about these things. And I'm a part of like the theme of my show is like, let's be proactive. And so like, if I'm taking my own advice, like let's be proactive and defending this, uh, this podcast castle, you know, let's build a wall around it. Let's build a moat around it. Let's make sure that, you know, let's keep the drawbridge up so that the bad guys can't get in and do all that stuff. And.
01:16:01
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as much as you can because I know that they're going to want to, you know, I'm small. I'm a small show compared to the world of Joe Rogan and everything. So nobody cares about me. But in the event that the show gets big and I'm still saying the things I'm saying, they're definitely going to have a problem with that. So, so it will. So so in order to sort of hedge that, I want to make sure that I've got
01:16:25
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got something else that's a little bit more protected so that we can have these conversations and not worry about them just turning us off that easily. Well, luckily, the way podcasting works, obviously,
01:16:42
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Apple and Amazon and Google now, they've got it in the podcast, obviously Spotify. They can shut you off on their platform, but the fact that the way RSS works, it's very difficult. It's mega decentralized, which I think this is the key to anything
01:17:03
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I think that we design and build and implement in this new system inherently needs to be decentralized in order for it to succeed. Anytime you centralize something, you take that over. Obviously, we know what can happen then.
01:17:20
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Yeah. And I am part of podcasting 2.0, too, which is that decentralized Adam Curry project that he's I've got to check that out. Well, actually, you know, let's let's wrap up with just tell tell folks about your your kind of your upcoming platform that you're releasing. Tell sure folks where they can find you and, you know, plug plug whatever is the most relevant thing for you to plug right now, brother.
01:17:47
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Well, thank you for having me. I enjoy our conversations. My podcast is called Macroaggressions. It goes out as an audio podcast twice a week, once as an interview with somebody and once as a monologue. It goes out in video format on Band.video, Rockfin, Odyssey,
01:18:07
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Vigilante.tv, which is Berwick's new thing. The website is the octopus of globalcontrol.com. And I'm on Twitter at macroaggression, which is a fun place to yell at people. But then the new project that's coming out is called MacroPlus. And I haven't even announced it on my show yet. We're trying to work out all the bugs and make sure that when it's up and running, I don't have to,
01:18:36
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answer a million tech questions. We're trying to make sure that it's functional and running. I've got some interviews already pre-recorded. I got Tommy Chong from Chi-Chin Chong. We talked about making movies in the 70s and how they did it. It's a crazy story about how much money they made making those movies. Tommy Chong was talking about how he wrote it. I go, how do you write it? He's like, man, we'd
01:19:01
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We'd go to lunch and we would tell funny stories at lunch and then we'd go, oh, we should put that one in. I'd write it down and then we'd shoot a scene later that day. So anyway, I just want to have conversations with some people that are a little bit, I don't know, I just want to be able to say whatever I want and have that. So I've got Tommy Chong, Sean Atwood, those are already recorded. Nice.
01:19:24
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are on the way. I'm, uh, Ryan Dawson and I are supposed to do one on the civil war. So, um, yeah, it's coming. It'll probably be, it'll be out by the end of the year for sure. Very nice, bro. Very nice. Yeah. Well, Charlie, uh, yeah, thank you so much for coming on again. What a pleasure to talk to you, bro. And hopefully we'll do it again, maybe next year. We'll do it for sure.