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EP 8: What The Mental Health?
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Introduction to Episode Eight
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You are listening to your auntie's favorite DJ, DJ Treaty Tree.
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you
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What is going on? It's DJ TreeCeTrees and you are back. Welcome back to What The Pod. You are now listening to episode eight. For those of you that are new to What The Pod, welcome to the show. You can always go back and binge watch our past episodes or binge listen to our past episodes because What The Pod is a podcast that just recommends new podcasts to listen to. Everyone who listens to podcasts is into new podcasts, right?
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No, you'll probably listen to the same ones and that's trash. So definitely listen to my show and find new ones. Like our guest today. Today I've got on Jared from the Louder Now podcast. Jared, welcome to What The Pod. How are you? Hey, I'm good. Thanks for having me on. Love the intro. Good energy already. Thank you. I'll just try to get the backstage lit so that we can kind of just like turn it up, turn it up, turn it up.
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I don't have a DJ name. I'm just Jared. J.D. I just made it right there. J.D. J.D. In high school, it was Martin Silver Fox was my like like video name for like all the goofy videos I made with my friends. And it was just my middle name and my street name. Oh, what's the word? Everybody's got to got to have a name, you know, so yeah.
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Yeah, that's awesome. So Jerry, tell us a little bit about your podcast. Yeah,
Origin of 'Louder Now' Podcast
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thank you. Well, again, thanks for having me on. It's always just an honor to be able to just, you know, meet new people. And yeah, so a couple of years ago, I started the Louder Now podcast really just out of a few different reasons. I mean, the biggest thing really just wanting to help people with understanding, having a better having conversations about mental
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health, mental illness, there's a little bit of a difference between those two things, but it's similar. Mostly just out of my own personal struggles with bipolar and depression and anxiety and suicide and going through lots of hard things in the last, I mean, kind of my whole life, but more specific to like the last 15 years of just lots of doctors and hospitals
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lots of ups and downs, lots of pain. And I think I've always been a communicator or a talker. I've always liked to write and just, you know, it's really out of my own kind of wanting to learn from myself, trying to just explore these things in like a deeper way and podcasting is unique because you, you just kind of can do whatever you want, you know, as the host, you can talk about whatever you want to talk about. So,
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I feel like I'm kind of just getting started even though I've been doing it for...
00:03:28
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a couple of years. So yeah, you're right. Podcasts are that way. And I love that anybody can start a podcast because everybody's story matters. So I'm so glad that you made a podcast about this. Tell tell me a little bit about like the beginning stages of the podcast and or what kind of episodes like you normally have during the podcast. Yeah, that's a great question. Well, it's kind of a funny story how it actually started because I had been
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maybe four or five months before I started recording, I was like traveling a lot from my job. And I was just reflecting a lot, usually in airplanes. And there was a suicide that had happened.
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a pastor that I didn't know personally, but just big church in Chino, this guy died by suicide. It was really, it was like all over the news, really tragic. And that kind of like re-prompted me to start doing some more like public speaking with mental health, which was something I had done a couple of years like before, this is 2018. And then kind of louder now is like the name that I had kind of come up with, because that's what I use on my blog.
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And then, um, yeah, I was just talking to my roommate about it and he kind of has like all the recording equipment. And one night he just was like, yeah, let's do your podcast, man. And I, I thought he was talking about like being a guest on his podcast. Cause he had like a little podcast thing going and I had like really no experience with, with podcasting and I didn't really even listen to podcasts at the time. Um, so yeah, we kind of just,
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pretty rough draft just sort of started and he kind of helped me do the first like 12 episodes and launch it and I was really grateful for that and then since then I've kind of just been doing it myself and then more recently in the last like six, six, eight months it's really become more like a lot of
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guest people are on the show. So try to like break it up and do like kind of some solo episodes with myself just talking about different topics and sharing my own story. And then most of the episodes now are like just people from like all walks of life, experts, normal people, teachers, therapists. And a lot of connections have been made through Facebook actually through a lot of these
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podcast groups that are out there and there's so that's a little bit about kind of what I do is just try to Try to just get other people's it's more interesting to like talk to other people and like hear people's stories and get into it especially with mental health because Everybody's different, you know, even though there's a lot of similarities. I think within like the struggles that you have so I've learned a lot from just
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conversations. Yeah, yeah. And I'm glad that you brought up the fact that everybody's different, especially around anxiety, just because I feel like online, you brought up the Facebook thing is we might be looking at profile pictures and all these different things.
Technology's Impact on Mental Health
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And we create this kind of social anxiety. So do you think that our present day, like, especially with how heavily we use technology, has it weighed
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uh, negatively for you with mental health or has it been the opposite or, you know, have you had on a guest on your show that's talked about that a little bit? Um, yeah, I, that's a really great question. I mean, a little bit of kind of all of the above, I think, I think, um, I think if any of us spend too much, it's so it's hard with technology because it's so accessible. It's like any free moment that you have throughout the day.
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whatever you're doing, it's so easy to just be like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, you know, Reddit, whatever, you know, and obviously too much of that without self control, I guess, kind of, I think can naturally just weigh you down because you're also kind of seeing a lot of stuff that's like not completely real, you know, it's like, it's real people, but, you know, it's either really hot girls or, you know, everybody just being
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kind of like at their best. Yeah. Oh, for sure. And most of it's manufactured. Of course. Yeah. So I think naturally, I think there is studies and research on how technology and these sort of mental health issues are very much connected. I'm not an expert, so I don't completely know all the details. But I do think it can feed loneliness and anxiety and depression if you're not
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careful, but then it is sort of a double edged sword because then on the other side of it, there's lots of people who are who are using it to, you know, do a lot of good and kind of encourage people and raise awareness, make people feel like they're not alone. There are lots of really good stuff online resources when it comes to
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I mean, there's also bad information too. That's also the way our world is too, right? There's, there's lots of fake, not fake news, but you know, um, yeah, probably yes, but just fake, like not the right information. So you do have to be careful if you're Googling, you know, I'm depressed or I'm suicidal, right? Like, yeah. Careful, you know, what rabbit hole you go down with all of that stuff. But, um, I, I, I do see a lot of people using it for good.
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And that's like my goal too is to try to not just post random like stupid stuff, but just try to try to try to help people with technology, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And too,
Managing Anxiety Strategies
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I mean, if we weren't on Facebook, we wouldn't have met. We met in a Facebook group. But yeah, to answer your question to you also asked, have I had people
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A little bit, not as much of a deep dive into that. Sometimes I do forget to ask people, which now I'll probably do this with future guests, like, Hey, how does technology? I had one guy that we talked about anxiety a lot. And he wrote like a book about anxiety. And he was like a firefighter in like,
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the forest, like a wildland firefighter. Oh my goodness. That sounds like anxiety. Yeah. And he's, yeah, it was really, really interesting, the kind of stuff that we talked about, um, really great dude. And, and, uh, so, but we did talk about technology and kind of had like a chapter in his book about how technology is making us anxious. And, and, and so, yeah, that's not really a new idea. I mean, it's, our world is just evolving so quickly.
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with technology that, you know, it's hard to keep up. And especially I think with COVID, people have had more downtime to like, you know, that goes both ways too. Yeah, to be sucked into the matrix. Yeah, you're either like learning guitar or you're watching movies all day, right? Yeah. Yeah, I definitely get that.
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man, that's that's so good because I purpose. The reason I asked for that is because I manage my anxiety myself. And it's it's really, really stressful. I have a lot of different triggers, like weather is one of them. So basically I just I moved to California because the weather is always sunny. Like I was literally stressed out in Indiana looking at the Doppler. Like I've studied the Doppler since I was a kid. That's how stressed and deeply rooted my anxiety is. So I have to like overcome it constantly to be like, oh, my God, it's going to rain in L.A., but it's not going to like
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be a torrential downpour that's gonna make me drive weird or anything like that, you know? Like you have to just fight those battles. Yeah, weather does impact people. My sister actually lives in Seattle and it took her a little while. It's so pretty, like right now, April through September, but then really like nine months out of the year, it's like wet and rainy. And I mean, it's fun. They have kids and it snows and they sled and they ski,
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It really is cloudy. And so we are pretty spoiled here that we don't have as much of the seasonal effective things going on where weather kind of brings us down. And you can still struggle with depression when it's sunny out, too. You also have to get out and try to experience it, which we can forget to do that when we live here. I'm like, oh, the ocean's down the street. But I'm just hanging out at home.
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You gotta go out and people is what I call it. And I'm a huge extrovert, but I've also realized like for my mental health, I need time to kind of recharge. And I noticed that from looking inwardly during COVID because, you know, I'm the DJ that's out at the clubs and out at the bars and all of that. So once that was taken away, it was a completely different mindset shift that I really had to get myself up and be like, all right, now what are we doing today? You know, that's,
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Because, you know, not all my joy was taken, but I have a lot of fun playing music for people and I couldn't do that and I still can't do that anymore at the capacity that I did before, you know, so it really took a lot of like, I think this past year for me has been the most rewarding mental health year for me, because I really took the time to like read books and dig in and do shadow work and
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You know, just be graceful with myself as well and just know that, you know, you don't feel all right right now. Here are some things that you can do to swing the move and or, you know, really feel this emotion right now. But let's move on. Let's set up a plan to move on. So do you have some kind of strategies like that or things that you personally do? Yeah, that's a great question. And just I do. Yeah. And I think part of the constant challenge is that you got to keep
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working on it like every day. There's no like day off from your own brain. You know, it's like you're always thinking and, and, uh, but yeah, a lot of life and especially with mental health is just, is really developing habits. And, and, um, you know, the more you do something, let's say good or bad, you know, the reinforcement of the habit, it just, it obviously, if you're like watching TV five hours a day and you just keep
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doing that, right? It gets harder to maybe not walk instead or whatever. So yeah, I, I, I go to therapy. Um, and I have a lot of people in my life that helped me, um, kind of hold me accountable to a lot of things to, to stay pretty sane and, and healthy. Um, cause yeah, it's just easy to, it's harder to manage things, um,
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you know, on your own, like if you're just kind of trying to do it in isolation. So I used to play hockey when before COVID. So that's one thing I don't do now that I used to do. Hopefully that will change soon, but it's been closed because I have a bunch of dudes, you know,
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running to each other out on the ice. Oh, and then take off your helmets, sweat, beat each other up. I mean, there's professional, you know, NHL is going and obviously professional sports, it's good because I guess they all get tested and stuff. But but yeah, yeah, I have to try to like stay active. I like to try to run and, you know, back to like the beach thing, like go to the beach, go out. I'm going camping this weekend. So that's
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Coping thing of like forcing myself to just get out and hang out with people Yeah, faith is a huge part of my life So like going to church and the Bible and all of that and just that like the faith community and my friends That's that's a huge part of what keeps me pretty sane, too And that's true for lots of people, you know, whatever you believe like just go after it, you know and and you do it with other people and
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I hope that answers your question a little bit. Yeah, that did.
The Role of Therapy in Mental Health
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That perfectly did. So you started off saying that you go to therapy and you have a little village that keeps you accountable and all that. So if there's somebody listening to this podcast and they're mulling over, they feel like something isn't right and they're really wanting to maybe get started in therapy. Can you talk about
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maybe how, you know, the moment you decided to go, initially how it was, you know, pretty much, you know, when you started therapy, how beneficial was it for you and convince them a little to go right now, you know? Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. Well, you know, there's been a lot of resistance, honestly, within myself, at least in the history of my, like, the last 15 years. From 2007, I had my first diagnosis
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And then I spent about four years being like over medicated. And I didn't really do a lot of therapy until I had kind of my third like real bad breakdown, which really came from like getting off a lot of beds. So real long story short, I was like suicidal every day for like eight months. And I had a couple of suicide attempts. This is in 2013. And I was definitely the worst time of life.
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And then I tried to overdose at the end of this like eight month time. And I was in a coma for a few days, should have died. And I didn't, and I came out of it, no brain damage, no memory loss. But then I spent five months in the hospital, like two different kind of psych places. And so that was kind of like when I was like, yeah, I think I'm going to need to do therapy probably for a while.
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So I didn't say yes to therapy right away, took like six or seven years. And then even since then, because now it's been like eight years, I've really only taken it a lot more seriously, I would say, just since like before COVID, pretty much. So yeah, a lot of it is that, you know, I think you can read books and you can teach yourself things. I think you can surround yourself with like wisdom.
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you know, people who are older, who live life. I mean, I think that's important that we have those relationships no matter what, but there's only so much, I think you're missing out if you like don't have a professional really sit down with you and like talk through things because, you know, the process of becoming a therapist, I mean, they're not like, they don't know everything, right?
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You do need to have a professional, I think, in your life if you're having any kind of consistent symptoms of these things. So it took me a while to kind of get to that point where I was like, yeah, I think I'm going to need to. Because I have taken medication, or I do take medication. And that's just one part of the heal. That's one part of it. But I do recommend that the sooner you can commit
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to having a professional help you. It's gonna be hard probably for a while because it takes a while to get used to a therapist and it might take a couple of like switching therapists.
00:19:15
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But once you get in a groove with someone, I really think there's a lot of like fruit and benefit from that, you know, so yeah, yeah, that's that's an awesome story and and I'm so happy that you came out on the other side of it with a different perspective and you're willing to show up for yourself every day, you know, because that's like you said you manage it every day is something that you know past trauma and and everything you're just being really present about your mental health and that is extremely awesome and
00:19:45
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And especially since you're finding passion with the podcast and then trying to multiply and spread that love around. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I will say to speak directly to like suicide, that's probably a real specific passion of helping people with that. And I'm not the only one. There's so many, so many voices recently who, you know, a lot of it is because we see celebrities and pastors and leaders
00:20:15
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fall or not fall but unfortunately died by suicide and they're there obviously they're not the only ones right there's tons of people that we don't even know about it also affects them too um and uh yeah there was a guy at my church who was a friend who who died by suicide in october just seven months ago and um that was really close to home and i'm just like i have such a
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a heart for that. But yeah, I think once you almost die and then you live, whether you believe in God or not, or any higher power, you do get a different, it does something to you in the way that you like approach being alive and being human, I think forever. It just, you're never the same after that. So like, I don't want to waste my life. You know, I don't want to waste the time that I have
00:21:10
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Um, because I do believe I was given a second chance and not everybody has my story where some people just think don't make it, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And it's, it's so, it feels so good to be sitting here talking to a guy about mental health because I mean, the stigma in the, in the, in just our community about men and mental health, like, can you speak to that a little bit?
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Yeah, of course. Well, yeah, thanks for saying that. And part of the podcast, too, is I have interviewed lots of women, which I love men and women, but I especially and I appreciate women. It's a little easier for women, I think, to just be open and vulnerable about their struggles. And I appreciate that about women. But but yeah, especially when I have a guy on the show, I'm like,
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Yeah, let's bro down and like let's get into this, you know, and and there's there's lots of podcasts and people who've influenced me in that area. So yeah, I think it's just we are kind of taught. I think there's a couple of things. I mean, one can just be. At least in our kind of generation, we don't have the best relationships with our dads. I think the baby boomer generation grew up with a lot of
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not the best relationships with their dads. So our fathers, I mean, I'm 35, so my dad, you know, and like, I didn't have the best relationship with my dad. He yelled a lot. He was very abusive and angry. And that really affected me as a man, as far as like my identity and feeling good enough and fearful and all these things. So not every guy has that story, but I do think it does go back to like, you know, if I never see my dad
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cry or like be vulnerable or share his emotions then if I do later on in life start dealing with depression or anxiety which usually it does hit you later on in life or hits you in your early 20s let's say when you you know go to college and run away from home or whatever you know so yeah I think as men where we just we sort of default to not emotions we default to
00:23:29
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You know, I got to work and I got to provide and I'm kind of that primal hunter. Just my job is to go kill animals and bring them back to the village so we can all eat. Yeah. Yeah. And we just we default and that's not necessarily bad. I think that's just the design of that's the difference between men and women where women are going to be more like
00:23:56
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What about how you feel, you know, how is your day and your emotions? And oftentimes guys, we just, we don't really practice that kind of, what maybe we would call now is like emotional intelligence. That's more of a recent kind of influence of like, wait, what about our emotions? And so yeah, for me, I think having all the struggles I've had has just forced me to be, because I think I've always been pretty sensitive
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person like as a guy. And I think that's why I like to do like theater when I was a kid and like acting. And I was like, Oh, I like to like feel these emotions, you know, and, and that's obviously made things hard when things have been hard, because it's like, Oh, man, I'm really kind of a feeler, you know, that's, you have to learn that to just, you know, it takes practice to like, get in touch with that. So I think we are making progress as a
00:24:49
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society because people are struggling. So it's forcing us to have these conversations, but it does need to also continue to be talked about as well. Yeah, for sure. And parents stop telling your kids, boys don't cry and get up. You're not hurt. And I hear parents say all these little things and yeah. Exactly. Yeah, that's not good.
00:25:13
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Not good enough. My dad, you know, he I never I've never saw my dad cry. And I sat next to him at his mom's funeral and I was shocked. I was like, dude, this is your mom. He just sat there and kind of like rubbed his stomach. And I'm like, wow, you know, and he unexpectedly passed from a heart condition.
00:25:31
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You know, but you got to think about like all of the the grief and just the the hard just the hard life, you know, hard things that happen in life with no emotional expression. I think that our society tells us that emotions are a feminine trait.
00:25:46
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from a very young age and men don't have it in some way when emotions are a human experience and dictated by hormones in our body that none of us can actually control. You have to expect
00:26:02
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highs and lows is what I tell people, you know, you just got to ride them. Um, but I don't feel like my, even my guy friends, you know, they, they feel a little bit more transparent with me, but I don't think that, you know, society really gives them the pass of talking about emotions as much. So yeah, that sucks. That sucks so bad. Yeah. Well, to me, I think in my opinion, a lot of it is like kind of your relationship with truth and self-awareness. Um, it's like when you're truthful about,
00:26:31
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where you're at, you can kind of tap into that. You're like, no, I actually kind of feel sad. And I need to kind of like problem solve this emotion. So back to the therapy point, that is what therapy does help you do, by the way. So that's another layer on top of what we were just saying earlier, which is that only a professional
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can. And there's probably therapists who aren't super great. But let's just say a good one over time, you don't give up and you keep at it. You can you can kind of tap into that with a professional of like, hey, why do you think it is that you can't cry, you know, and a lot of things do come down to like trauma, right, like, on dealt with trauma that you you carry with you through your life.
00:27:23
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you know, if you don't deal with it, it's going to stay with you. And I think to, you know, maybe making things more hard and complicated. So yeah, it's a process. It's definitely not easy. But it's possible, you know, should definitely possible.
00:27:39
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Definitely possible. So at the beginning of the conversation, you talked a little bit about medication.
Experience with Medication and Openness
00:27:44
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So can you speak a little bit to the point of what it was like when you first started? For someone who's just a little bit more reluctant to it, you said it was just one piece. You also do therapy and practice other things. So can you encourage some people who might need to look at some medication to maybe be a little open to that?
00:28:02
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Yeah, that's a great question. Well, again, kind of like the therapy thing, it's been a process because I didn't fully accept needing beds. I had been on meds for a couple of months after not sleeping. And then my mom was kind of my doctor and was like, oh, you're getting fat and you look bloated. And so she just kind of weaned me off of the meds. Then I kind of snapped out of it.
00:28:30
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Then I went on, then I had a breakdown happen again, and I had like a whole new doctor a second time around. Everyone was a little bit more like, oh, you might have a problem because this is the second time it's happened. And then I got kind of over-medicated, which can happen to people. And then I got off all of the meds of my own because I was like, I think these meds are making me feel bad. And then that led to like,
00:28:56
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kind of the story I just told of like, the worst year of my life. So I would say that there's, there's, I'm not a doctor, but I've been around this stuff for a while. And it's like, I think, you know, medicine's never supposed to be, I don't think like permanent or, or even
00:29:19
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always meant to be like a long-term treatment for people. I think you can benefit from it for a season. And a season might mean a couple of years or something. So it's not like a death sentence if you get to a place where you're really having a hard time managing, depending on your symptoms, depending on how severe things are, to where medicine's not gonna like screw you up. But the challenge is just that there's,
00:29:47
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lots of side effects with medications and it does take your body a long time to like adapt and it's not completely perfect. So a doctor really only can kind of try things with you and you have, you're, you're the one that kind of bears the brunt of like feeling it, right? But I think people shouldn't be, should just try to get as much good information as they can about medications and
00:30:15
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doctors but then also recognize too kind of what like how what I had said is it's only it's one part of the the puzzle so I Would encourage people to just get as much help as you can and if you need beds for a little while then just do it you know and the worst thing that happens to you is you just might need to like get off of them, you know, so
00:30:42
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Yeah, so can't hurt. You should try or at least consult some medical professionals and see the help that you need. Yeah, exactly. And it's it's kind of like the therapist thing. Like, yes, there's probably lots of psychiatrists who might not be the best doctors in terms of most of the time they're not going to get super into like, what are you thinking about and what's going on with your life? You know, their job is kind of just to to to really focus on the medication.
00:31:11
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And the therapist and the psychologist, that's why you kind of got to do both at the same time. Yeah. Because if that makes sense, the psychiatrist is really going to be like, let's try this and make sure that you're doing OK on that. So it takes a little bit of patience, for sure. Awesome. Awesome. So Jared, tell us your favorite episode of your podcast. Oh, wow.
00:31:41
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That's a good question. Let's see. Well, OK. Maybe I have two. You can do two. I'll give you two. Wow, this is a good question. I've never even thought about this. Yeah, OK. So maybe my favorite episode was actually an episode I did about a year ago. I can't remember which number it is.
00:32:11
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I think it's called like seven years later. It was basically every May, May 7th, 2013 was when I almost died. So I did like a reflection episode on that moment and that time and, you know, almost dying, ending up in a coma.
00:32:33
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going to the hospital five months later. So that was a really special episode. I feel like every May, it's also like Mental Health Awareness Month too in May. There's always something going on every month, right? And so yeah, that was really special. And then I just did an episode with one of my friends through NAMI, National Alliance for Mental Illness.
00:33:01
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in James Curtis and he's just been like a great friend for seven or eight years. And we've done a lot of like presentations together in the schools and we've kind of teamed up a lot. And yeah, it was just like a really good conversation just about his journey and depression. And I felt like it was one of the best interviews, but I've done a lot of good. I feel like everyone's been pretty good. So, but that's like my favorite one. So.
00:33:29
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Your favorite, favorite. Yeah. All right. So
Integrating Faith and Mental Health Focus
00:33:32
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we're coming up on the end of the time here and I want the last question I always ask, maybe always ask, but it somehow gets there. Give us like a 30 second, 45 second or minute, whatever, of why they should listen to your podcast or any information that you want to give the audience that they haven't gotten so far. For sure. Well, I'm definitely not the only one talking about mental health, but
00:33:59
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You know, um, one of the things I do feel like I kind of specialize in is, uh, talking about like faith and mental health of like growing up in church and kind of like, you know, um, there's a lot of good things I do believe about the Bible in church, but there's also a lot of unhealthy things and not so great things that you can kind of learn.
00:34:22
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especially if that's all you've known your whole life. So I do try to kind of merge those two subjects together. So it's not just the broadness of like depression and bipolar and anxiety and masculinity and what to do with those things, but also, yeah, I try to tackle like kind of these faith issues that kind of have attached themselves also to the mental illness conversation.
00:34:50
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And in a lot of ways, it's made it a little bit more confusing for a lot of people. It's like more confusing when you try to involve God into the conversation. And you're like, I don't know if it's supposed to be that way. I thought God's supposed to have the answer here, you know, instead of what lots of people can find themselves really struggling a lot with their own faith because they have a mental illness at the same time.
00:35:17
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It's like those things don't exist. They can't exist together. So if you want to go on that journey and you want to get more about that, that's really what I'm trying to do the most of. But I don't limit it to that, where I do want to talk to people who don't think the way I think. Because there's no way to learn if you're only like, I'm only talking to the people who
00:35:43
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Think the way I believe. Believe what I believe, yeah. Yeah, because just everybody's unique and different. And I believe everybody is special and has something to offer to the conversation because that's more like coming from it from a place of love, of respecting everybody who is alive because we all struggle. Yeah.
00:36:09
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That is so awesome. Jared, thank you so much for coming on the show.
Where to Find 'Louder Now' Podcast
00:36:13
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Tell everybody who's listening and not watching us where they can find you on social media. Yeah. So Facebook, Jared Diehl, D-I-E-H-L, The Louder Now podcast is a Facebook page. LouderNow, M-H on Instagram. Jared Diehl on Instagram. Let's see, Twitter, I think is LouderNow, M-H. JaredDeal.com is like my blog.
00:36:38
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Uh, I have like a pod page website, but I don't really promote that because it's not that great. So, um, but yeah, if you want to, um, you know, reach out to me through any of that, you can email me louder now, 88 at gmail.com. And yeah, the podcast is, uh, Amazon, Google, Spotify, uh, Apple, uh, my Apple podcast has like the old logo. I need to fix that. But, um, you know, anywhere that you get the podcast, those are kind of the four main places. So.
00:37:06
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Awesome. Thank you so much, Jerry, for joining me. No problem. Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much.
00:37:15
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