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Speaker: Alright lads, welcome back to another episode of Who's Got The Ball? i know what you're thinking, who's got the ball on a Wednesday? How lucky am I? It's an extra episode, NFL Draft. I'm gonna have Cunnan join in just a couple of minutes, but we're gonna go through everything you need to know for this Thursday's draft.
Speaker: From the top 10 the way the consensus boards have it and how we think it could be different possible trade scenarios teams that might want to move up or move down based on what's available to them We kind of came to the conclusion that this draft is going to be very interesting because there's a lot of options for a lot of different teams they all have different needs and Things could go very differently depending on how Certain teams pick in the top 10 whether they go with the consensus idea of this team is going to pick X this team is going to pick y this team is going to pick Zed or are they going to go completely off the rails pick a guy that no one saw coming and then mess up the whole rest of the round for all those guys out there who have mocked up this and predicted what way it's going to go so many times but let's get straight into the good stuff with Conan so Conan is back again special episode on the NFL draft we're going to cover plenty quickfire through the top 10 and then a lot more but how are you welcome back to the show it's been while
Speaker: It has been a while. I'm good, James. Thank you very much. I'm very happy to be back here. I've missed your face. missed your voice. And I look forward i look for to talking ball because i've i've had I've only gotten up to maybe ah pick...
Speaker: I pushed pick 16. I recorded a one of my own podcast episodes, and I only got to pick 10. And I did another one, only got to pick 16. So I'm looking forward to actually seeing the other 16 picks afterwards.
Speaker: Yeah. I think people have heard that like a million times already, the top 10. So what we want to do first is just like look at the consensus top 10 based on... I can't remember the name of the website. i think it's literally just mock draft simulator or something, but they take the every yeah one that's out there, like um from all the the big names, it's like 116 and they just make a consensus. So we want to do that first, the top 10 and basically see where we could pick it apart a little bit. So that'll be a quick man. The rest I think is where it gets interesting from maybe 11 down to, We've got some top words to hit on. So let's start with the top 10.
Speaker: The consensus mock, right? There's obviously no trades in this, but it has Mendoza going to Vegas. That's probably not much needs to be said about that.
Speaker: Nah. It's got Jets picking Arvel Rees, and that has 51% of mocks have that as the outcome. yeah I don't know. I think that's still a question mark, but we'll come back to that in a sec, because the next up they have the Cardinals taking David Bailey and they have 30% of drafts taken now. Really?
Speaker: Yeah, this is where I have questions, because... I think Bailey could go to the Jets because it's a safer pick and Glenn might play it a little bit safer. And I don't see the Cardinals picking Rhys. I think they are trying to let everyone know that they're picking Jeremiah Love and whether that's real or not, I don't know.
Speaker: and But I think they're saying that if they stay there, they'll pick Love to try and bait someone else into trading up for But like, I think if Rhys is still there, someone could trade it up to take him either. So I don't know yeah what you think. what Do you think the Jets are going to go Rhys or will they go Bailey here?
Speaker: Well, on my mock draft, I have them taking Arvel Rhys as well. Okay.
Speaker: I'm trying to think, like... Like I get, I don't know. It's really dependent on, because I'm not convinced with Arvel Rees being a really good edge rusher. I know he's put his name down as more an edge rusher now than a linebacker. Yeah.
Speaker: But like I'm not convinced that that is his you know best style playing anyway. And Jermaine Johnson's left to go to the Titans with Robert Zala, isn't he?
Speaker: So you're kind of missing that guy to set the edge there. And David Bailey is, I mean, he's my favorite Ed Rush out the draft anyway, or one of.
Speaker: So I get that. But then... I don't know, James, we're not we're not paid the big bucks to make these decisions. So I don't know if i know if the Jets have seen something with Arvo Rees and gone, yeah, that is exactly what we need. Or you know Aaron Glenn has said, no, he he fits the system. This exactly what we need.
Speaker: whether it's because they now have, ah you know, Demario Davis is back at the Jets, whether they want a young linebacker type to learn from him, I don't know. But then then there's the argument of saying, oh, they could just pick Sonny Stiles there.
Speaker: So I don't know. I think with Arvel Rees, it's a bit like a jack of all trades, but master of none. Yeah. And whether you want to take that, whether you want you want to take that risk of, yeah, we'll go for him and hoping that he might click with one side or the other.
Speaker: So I don't know. I think I put him in my market too, because I could see the Jets doing that more than anything else. Whether it's the right thing to do is a whole other thing, but,
Speaker: like that's what I see them doing really. Yeah, it's a it's a bit of a risk to pick him, I think, more than it is a risk to pick Bailey because like you said, you don't know exactly what you're going to get, but you could get something that is absolutely amazing. and So I don't know whether the Jets want to take that risk or not.
Speaker: But yeah, I think they're going either Reece or Bailey there. I think a lot of, like any other player, I don't think really should come into their minds at that point. and The Cardinals being down as Bailey, I don't think that that's a situation I would see playing out. Unless they want to go like straight up best defensive player on the board, but I don't see them doing that because they went so heavy on their defense last year.
Speaker: so And it's a bit of high to pick a tackle. So I really think they're just saying they want to pick love so that they can move back. Yeah. yeah i totally I totally agree with you that one.
Speaker: you they They got Nolan and was it was it will Will Johnson? Was the name of the corner last year? Will Johnson. yeah Even you know the thought of having David Bailey and Nolan, ah was it Walter Nolan on the same same line is there's quite quite good luck. But especially when you have no quarterback, you're probably going pick one in this draft.
Speaker: You want to give him the best chance possible to survive the year. So that's why i have them like picking a tackle this early in the draft. Okay.
Speaker: But, yeah, I agree with you. I i wouldn't. They've had their fun playing about with defensive players last year. It's now time to focus on the other side so then you can build up then.
Speaker: I think, so if they go tackle, or do you think they just go for Maui Noah here? are Yeah, yeah, I think so. I watched, I did like a list of my like top five favorite, like O-linemen.
Speaker: And I had, but i like during the mock draft stuff, I hadn't actually watched much film on him. I just knew like consensus was, he was the best one out there.
Speaker: And it's only until recently I've thought like, oh my God, he's actually like crazy good. yeah The guy's like massive. And I completely forgot, of course, when I was watching Cam Ward last year with, or the year before with Miami,
Speaker: And I was thinking, how has he got so much time in the pocket? And then you you you just see the behemoth at tackle. You just think, ah, that's why. That is why. So, like, the the guy is freakish. So I think that would be... I think it's... i It's always good to, when you draft a good tackle, like a court like a cornerstone player like that or like a centre-beach like that, it can set you up for great things later on down road. Like you look at Penny Sewell with the Lions, you look at Tristan Wirfs, even Joel and Rashawn Slater. i know that is quite bad timing considering last year they were both injured, but...
Speaker: you look at them and you think you are sorted for the next like 10 years. You don't have to worry about it. You just know even you know don't even have to stress that much about the quality of the quarterback behind the line.
Speaker: You just know that your run game is going to be sound and you're giving as much time for any quarterback back there to... to do whatever they want really yeah yeah i think it's the kind of pick that fans usually at the time they're like disappointed even if they don't want to say it because it's like oh a tackle but then it's always like this what the smart teams do so yeah i think if they did that they would be probably in their best interest But having said that, if they could move back a few spots, I feel like they could still get him a little bit later. Because I think other teams are after more flashy players. and
Speaker: So that was a question I had in my mind. Where will the first tackle go? So I think that feeds into the rest of this conversation. The fact now, this has the Titans in the consensus draft, picking Jeremiah Love. 64% of drafts have him there.
Speaker: Like... Yeah, I think they say that they want to pick him, but like if David Bailey is still there, are you telling me that Robert Salah is going to go, no, I don't want David Bailey? like He's the head coach.
Speaker: If it's up to him, he's either going to go with Bailey or Stiles. He's going to want his his Fred Warner for this defense. So yeah I don't know. like Everyone is saying love, but I don't know if the Titans actually do it.
Speaker: Uh, my recently, for some reason, my like social, social media page has become like a Jeremiah love fan page. And I haven't meant for that to happen and really, but I've been like adamant that the Titans will be pick, pick him with the fourth.
Speaker: And I think what you, I think you are entirely right. Like, probably not the best thing to be doing when your entire team needs work all over the place.
Speaker: And if you're wanting to pull a running back in when you don't even have a competent offensive line, we're just going to have another season like Ashton Gentry had with the Raiders last year when you're you're spending so much on a high pick and you're not getting you know the reward for it.
Speaker: But there's also a part of me that's like seeing Jeremiah Love and Cam Ward in the backfield together. It's not a bad partnership at all.
Speaker: So, yeah, whether that's that that's me both thinking head and heart there or whatever. But I just think, I don't know. I think Robert Sala has done, he's already had, he's already made a couple moves with defense, hasn't he?
Speaker: Mm-hmm. because he's got his own system that he wants in. He wants something similar to what he had at the Jets. when he had Because obviously that's why he's picked up Jermaine Johnson, probably. He just knows that that's his guy. They've picked up multiple Jets and Giants players because of Dayball coming in there, which is like funny because they're like so losing franchises over the last few years and they've gone and paid these guys.
Speaker: Like, yeah the amount they paid Wanda Robinson is outrageous. haven't seen it. I don't know much you paid him. I think he got like 70-something million over four years.
Speaker: Oh, my God. Yeah, they they're really paid him. And they've done that with a number of... They also paid... an Giants cornerback why has it gone off my head now it'll come back to me but the amount they paid him was way too much basically Giants didn't want to match it and he was good he had a breakout year last year but still it's like signing players from losing franchises is questionable yeah but yeah I think Jeremiah Love is probably the best player in the draft and so if they go with him look they're getting a great player um yeah exactly the next
Speaker: three here the way it has it is giants picking sunny styles 34 percent the browns picking carnell tate 42 percent and the commanders picking caleb downs 14 i think oh okay i think okay that this is kind of probably like the fact it's a a combination. So they still have like Maui Noah ranked above some of these players in consensus boards, but there's no place for him in it because basically the way they've done the percentages is different. So I think it's not exact, but there was a lot about the Giants picking styles at five.
Speaker: Now that's cooled off a little bit over the last few days. I don't know. I think they should pick Sonny Stiles, to be honest, because we need an actual leader on the defense. But, you know, we're looking to run that Ravens-style defense, and we've brought in an ex-Ravens DB coach as are as our defensive coordinator. So it really makes sense to go with Downs at this point.
Speaker: He fits that exact moment. Yeah. and Kyle Hamilton is one of my favorite players to watch in the league and if he could any any anywhere close to him it's worth that at five I know there's questions i like I started some guys being like you're just picking a big nickel at five and that's just like completely disrespectful to the way that yeah that is foul So, yeah, I think for me, the way I see it, it's most likely to be downs.
Speaker: Browns, for me, I think are going to pick Tate. And then commanders, I think, will pick Styles. I think that he'll still be there and I think they'll pick him. If the Giants don't pick him, then I think, and he's still there at seven, the commanders have to take him.
Speaker: So what what is your opinion Sonny Styles? Like, did you... Is it the combine that's made you think, like, this guy's legit? Or did you always think he was legit beforehand?
Speaker: I thought when you look at... It's funny because you can just do the two-in-one job when you're watching the Downs and Styles tape. Like, they're on the same lineup. And then you're like, yeah right...
Speaker: the he you're hearing all this about Downs and then you're watching some some of their snaps and you're like, oh, he he looks good. Like, he looks good. But then you're like, you see Styles making a tackle and you're like, what what is this guy?
Speaker: He is like unbelievably strong. And he just like plows through people. And I was just... That just put the thoughts into my head that the Giants haven't had a guy like that for a while.
Speaker: And Micah McFadden was on IR last year. He's a pretty good linebacker. And I just, the thought then of him and Stiles together was coming into my mind. And then the combine added to it. So it was just like, all of this put together, just i just see it as a really good combination.
Speaker: Even though I still would be really happy if we took downs. I'm not going to be disappointed either way. as long as As long as we take one of those two, I think then will'll be we'll be in a good position. but yeah Yeah. i i'm I'm worried that Sonny Stiles might be like another Isaiah Simmons so situation where it's like this like athletic freak yeah that was like, he was so good in college and like consensus. Everyone was like, this is the greatest athlete we've ever seen in our lives.
Speaker: And then they get to the NFL, it's just like subpar. That's the one thing I'm worried about him because before the combine, you know It was Jacob Rodriguez, obviously.
Speaker: He voted for the Heisman. I mean, not not that many votes, but he still voted for the Heisman. I know CJ Allen is another that a lot of people like.
Speaker: So like all of a sudden now no one's even saying any, so saying either of them after the combine. It's like, oh, it's sunny stars, which is like, give give the guy credit.
Speaker: He was unbelievable in the, in the combine. He was, he was a freak. Like he was brilliant, but I just worry a little bit that, People, i don't know. Yeah. whether Whether that's me just being a usual Saints fan, ah yeah a glass half empty type of guy being a pessimist. But i don't know. I'm just i'm just i'm just i'm just scared.
Speaker: yeah Yeah. Well, I had enough of the Isaiah Simmons experience already. So I just, that's like even a thought. I don't want to be part of that yet.
Speaker: yeah but But like, yeah, I've heard that argument as well about the athletic freak and does it translate. But then there's some snaps where you watch Caleb Bounds and you're like, what on earth is he doing?
Speaker: but You get that with all players, but I thought there was sometimes I did think was little bit questionable the way he was, but I feel like that was earlier in his college career, and he's definitely okay improved. um And I think just the physical size of him as well at safety is like... And that just the thing in my mind then is also that a Giants paid Javon Holland last year, and he was absolutely useless. like And now we're going to pick another safety.
Speaker: Like... I don't even think Tyler Newben is that bad. So now what we going to do? Like, what is Holland actually going to do? Like, is Holland going to play like nickel corner or something? I don't know. Like we, we have no cornerbacks either. So that's good.
Speaker: But so that's good. Yeah. this the giants for I think, I think whoever doesn't pick this, and whoever the Giants don't pick, I think that's who ends up on the commanders because they have a lot of issues. And I think,
Speaker: They go best player available probably. And then the Browns is obviously in between. i think they take Carnal Tate. I know you probably don't want to hear that because that's probably who you want for the Saints. But I i think they do.
Speaker: And that's what it has here. The last three then. We'll just go through them and then I'll come back to you on this because I want to know what you think. but It has the Saints picking Reuben Bain 24% mocks.
Speaker: Then it has the Chiefs picking Mansoor Delane, 25%. And then has the Giants picking Tyson at wide receiver with 26% of mocks.
Speaker: So yeah we'll touch on the Chiefs and Giants in a sec, but what do you think about the Saints? Since you're a Saints fan, I want to know who you think they'll pick, but who you want them to pick as well, because those can also be different answers.
Speaker: Right. So I... In my mock, I also had i sad the Browns taking Carnal Tate because I just thought like they're going to pass up on him even though i want him.
Speaker: They're not going to pass up on him ah because some silly Welsh man sat in his room just it says so. But right, whether I am clearly misunderstanding the game of football or I'm clearly not seeing something that everyone else is seeing, why is everyone so adamant that the Saints need an Ed Rusher straight off the bat?
Speaker: Because we've... I don't agree with it, but we paid Chase Young big money. Now, you don't pay someone big money and then think, hmm, we need someone else. Like, if...
Speaker: If you paid someone big money, you can afford to wait a little bit because the edge rushes are quite stacked. There's quite a lot. You don't have to go all out straight off the get-go and get a Reuben Bain or David Bailey.
Speaker: So i I really don't get where this narrative for edge rushes to the Saints being a priority has come from. Whether you think I'm a silly boy is another thing. But I had, because in my mock,
Speaker: The Browns taking Canel Tate. I had us taking Mansoor Delane from LSU. And that was based on, like, I know, well, Lonte Taylor's gone. He's gone to some silly team in New Jersey way. And then Kool-Aid hasn't been the guy that everyone's, like, expecting him to be. Like, he's been all right, but he hasn't been, like, the guy I think having another young cornerback, talented one as well, like Delane, and it's like a lot of people are, know, um batting backwards forwards between Delane and Jamad McCoy is another one. But I think Delane is more, i think he's more proven because he's played in his last year
Speaker: And I think the the the style that he plays as well, I think he i think you would sue sue us. I just think, like especially DeMario Davis going and London Taylor and whatever, I feel like we are a little bit weaker in defense now, even though wide receiver is still like, that is a priority, but...
Speaker: like yeah we could I know we could pick a Mikhail Emin or a Jordan Tyson here, but I have more faith in Delane giving us the reward rewards at that add that like pick than the other two.
Speaker: Yeah, I think i get yeah that's probably the most logical thing. I think ever since... It's not like corner has been like a massive weakness, but since like Lattimore left, it's like you want that big name there in that position.
Speaker: And I think he would be the most logical pick. I actually would love for him to be there at 10. So the Giants select him. I don't think he lasts that long because I would rather him than Tyson, because I think Tyson, the fact that he absolutely destroyed his knee, like did the big three, like tore all three ligaments is really alarming, especially when neighbors... You make you sound like you did it on purpose. I know, but I'm saying like, it's it's it's a big thing that when a player goes through that kind of an injury, also, he's not that strong through contact. So, don't know, like, and neighbors is just coming off a knee injury. So, I'm actually not like too upset if the Giants wait till they're later around to pick a receiver because... We've got Neighbours, obviously, is like bonafide number one. And then from there, I like what we've actually done in this offseason. I think Darren El Mooney was a good pickup. We still have Darius Slayton. It looks like OBJ is going to sign back just for the vibes. so Yeah, just for the vibes. yeah that's get so you've also got
Speaker: You've also got the GOAT. You've got Jalen Hyatt there as well. The... I saw something today of someone being like, OBJ coming back into the Giants facility and it's that clip where the guy like rips the t-shirt straight off the guy's back and it's like, this is Jalen Hyatt.
Speaker: I just, just get rid of him, man. He's just useless. like He's so bad. That draft class sucked so bad. Oh my God. Joe Shane. That is still my worst.
Speaker: That's my worst draft take of all time when I said, I think before that draft, I was like, oh my God, Jalen Hyatt is like so good. Yeah. And i I drafted him in almost every single fantasy league because I was like, oh, he's a sleeper. You guys you guys are not ready for Jalen Hyatt. I think he played probably like 10 snaps in that season. Yeah.
Speaker: yeah it was I think he only called like three receptions. I think it was something stupid like that. Last year, multiple games where he was just like a healthy scratch. I was like, are we still doing this? Like, please give up on him now. But yeah, I think Tyson is not a need. i would rather delay in there, but obviously I think he could be gone.
Speaker: I see the Chiefs here, right? So they have Delane going to the Chiefs, obviously, because they have Ruben Bain going to the Saints. I think if Delane was still there, I don't see them picking him.
Speaker: But I think we'll get into that. as we look at the back end of the draft, because the reason and behind it is because of the Chiefs later pick. So now we've covered the top 10. Let's move into the, the, the less talked about part of the draft and probably the more interesting in part. So picks 11 through 32. We start off. I've got like a list.
Speaker: of locks, basically, that I think a team goes either for an exact player or they go for an exact position. So let me know what you think and if you have any other thoughts here.
Speaker: First up, okay if the Rams don't move out of 13, I think they pick receiver. If Tyson is gone, they take Lemon.
Speaker: What are your thoughts on that? I... ah I'm going to say I agree with it, but for some reason in this mock draft, I had them picking Spencer Fano.
Speaker: So like I don't know why I put that in, but definitely see... I, yeah, I definitely see, like you said, if they're still there, they they got to go receiver there, I think.
Speaker: I really don't know why I put Spencer Farno. Like, I could have lied as well. I could have said that put someone else there. No, I'm an honest man. Honest man to put Spencer Farno in there. um But no, I agree. Like...
Speaker: You got Devontae Adams is slowly getting on now. I don't know what's going on with Pukunuku. i do a like Someone please check his brain.
Speaker: So I think they are starting to worry. They're like, okay, we kind of need need someone to come in here. um So I think out of the two, if both of them were still available, I think they would go Lemon.
Speaker: I think even though maybe... whether Jordan Tyson is, you know, the, the better receiver out both on like when he's healthy, you just have to put the asterisk of when he's healthy.
Speaker: he did He just can't stay healthy. So I don't think the Rams can afford that with what's going on and and in camp at the moment. So, yeah, I agree with that. I see them taking Lemon, especially if both were still there at the time.
Speaker: Yeah, I think it's a safer pick. because I did see a lot of stuff around Tyson going there, but I just don't, I don't know. I think that they might do the the smarter thing and they might not be in their hands because Tyson could be gone off the board. But I think if they they go for a lemon, I think it's smart because they're all in on Stafford. And you said like, you don't know why you put fan over there but I feel like that would be not the stupidest thing to do because last year when they had I'm not sure which one of their tackles went down but was the game against the Falcons and like Stafford nearly died in that game like unless it's the Falcons like this isn't a playoff game so they are very weak behind their first their first set of tackles so I think it wouldn't be the worst thing but also they want to go big so they're probably not going tackled
Speaker: No, exactly. Next up, I have at 14, the Ravens picking Ioani. Yeah, I think they go that way.
Speaker: And I think he's just a fit for the team and future proofs them as well for for that position. So what's your take on that? I completely agree.
Speaker: i mean, this mock draft is now out outdated because of the Giants trade. Because I had Ioane going to the Bengals at the time. But now, 100%, it's all over. It's all I see in social media is just Ioane to the Ravens, everyone. i'd like Do you know what the consensus on that one was?
Speaker: I can pull it up now while you're talking. I don't want to. I'll try and keep talking at the same time. I'll try and keep talking at the same time. I forget what his name is. Is it Falalele?
Speaker: No. The name of the god that they have. What's the name of the god that the Ravens have at the moment? It's like Fafalele or something like that. See, now I'm going to type and I'm going to to... Hold on. I don't know. No, think you're... Falele. There we go. I added too many Fs.
Speaker: Falele. Oh, oh wait. ohs the but Oh, he's gone. Yeah, of course. He's your problem now. No, he's your problem now. Yeah, but he's just like one of our many options of someone who's not going to play.
Speaker: they Okay, well, even more so. Yeah. Oh, well, because he was appalling. Yes, that would be why. And I think...
Speaker: And I think, well, even more so, more of a reason why Ioane is going to join them. They need they need a competent guard. And i watched I watched the film on all these linemen, and Ioane is just like, it looks like men against boys, basically, when he's playing.
Speaker: like sneaky ah Sneaky quick feet as well for such a large man. like his His footwork is so good. And I think especially when you're playing...
Speaker: i yeah such a big college like Penn State as well, it kind of proves you a little bit more or you're more proven. So I think Ioannis is a great fit there. And I think it's also like, even though Like in this mock, because he'd gone, i had the Ravens picking Tyson because they have kind consistently not drafted a wide receiver, like a competent one for Lamar. I know they drafted Zay Flowers, but I'm not convinced by Zay Flowers.
Speaker: So I think, yeah, Ioane, I think that's a great fit really. And it's just someone else to look after, Mr. mr Jackson back there as well. Yeah, i have the consensus here. And there's only one other player outside the top four that has a higher consensus percentage.
Speaker: So, yeah, he's 46% to go. He's in 46% of drafts to go there. And that leads me into my next, because the guy who I have next is the highest player.
Speaker: He's the highest in the entire draft other than Fernando Mendoza. And that is... Can you guess? yeah okay Wait, I'm guessing it's not a team that we covered.
Speaker: No, it's and it's outside the top 10. A lock to go somewhere. And he's in 66% of people's mock drafts to go there. Oh my God. Safety.
Speaker: oh Oh, of course. Is it Dylan Thienemann to the Vikings? Yes, it is indeed, sir. yeah yeah I think it's just like, people first of all, people just went like, yeah, Harrison Smith replacement. Let's just look at Literally. And then literally everything else actually makes sense around it. But before any of anything made sense, that was just like the first thing.
Speaker: yeah, of course it was. It was, oh my God, there's an athletic white safety. We must, is it's a Harrison Smith regen. We have to have him. um I watched, I can't remember, i can't remember the name of the guy.
Speaker: but he has quite a popular YouTube like channel, and he's a Vikings fan, and he was going through his mock draft, and he was like, yeah, I have the Vikings picking Dylan Thienemann, but not because he's a white safety. He doesn't even play so he doesn't even play like Harrison and Smith, so please stop saying that.
Speaker: no Yeah, I see that. Yeah, i think that that one is a fairly likely situation if he's still there, of course, but... If it's a need for them. And then after that, the only other guy I have as like someone I'm really convinced is going to go... If Kenyon Sadiq is still there, I think he goes the next pick then to the Panthers.
Speaker: I think they need to go for something for... For Bryce Young, they need to go and get him a weapon, another weapon. I don't think they go receiver after last year. like They literally just had the offensive rookie of the year. So yeah don't like waste another pick there when you're when you're in a nice position.
Speaker: i think get another tight end. The league is getting reliant on big, strong tight ends that can do a lot of things for you. So I think it would be smart for them to go after him.
Speaker: I had Sadiq going to the Bucks. Okay. I thought that Cade Otten's time has come to an end. Well, not end, but he doesn't give you that.
Speaker: he's he's Yeah, I'm not saying he's like dying anytime soon, but I think like k is iss just not... big play tie-end as maybe he was not even that much the couple of years ago.
Speaker: So I think Kenyon Sadiq, especially Mike Evans, gone. Sadiq is more like, he's more of a receiving tie-end. Anyway, he's essentially, he's a glorified wide receiver. He's just massive.
Speaker: So I think like having mean someone like that with a Baker, i think it really helps him out a lot. I know a lot of Panthers fans want Sadiq there.
Speaker: ah because Sadiq had gone in my mock, I had Omar Cooper Jr. going to the Panthers. I just think that very fair point that T-Mac is is there and you don't really want to bring it. Well, yeah, you got to think about the locker room and if you brought in another wide receiver from the first round, then are you are you setting a precedent there? But I think the depth that they have at that position is just like,
Speaker: is It's quite his shallow. There's no depth there. It's very shallow the ah pool of players there. So I think adding Omar Cooper Jr. there, whether he can be made at a push, yeah wide receiver two, probably just a solid wide is wide receiver three start off with now.
Speaker: And then seeing seeing where that takes you really well. So that that's why I'd buy, like, if Sadiq passes, you know, doesn't get picked up by Bucks, then I definitely do see the Panthers picking him up.
Speaker: Like you said, just add another weapon for Bryce Young in a way. Yeah, I think he can do a lot as well. Like you said, he can be heavily relied upon as a receiver.
Speaker: um Because I actually think that Jatavia and Sanders was pretty good for them last year. The Panthers, like he wasn't the worst tight end in the league. So I think if he plays as like a a general tight end, but you don't pass on the ball that much, and you want to play in two tight end sets, you can just keep feeling Ah, yeah. speak Like...
Speaker: I mean, yeah he then doesn't become an issue because he's fine. He's serviceable, Sanders. But you're like, ah that's OK, we're going. We're given maybe Young a little bit more protection there. And then Sadiq is a big body. Yeah.
Speaker: And his his little head will be able to see him over the line. And we're in business. Bryce Young is cooking.
Speaker: I have say. I actually like Bryce Young, but yeah, that was just right there me His little head. His little head. Let's move on from that. Oh my God. So those are my like four that I think are, if they're there, the team is definitely going to take them. Do you have anyone else along those lines?
Speaker: What, as in, like, if they're still there, then it's, like, a lock. Yeah, like, team that, if a guy is still there, that is who they're going to pick. Like, there's no way around it. um
Speaker: I think maybe two push here. I have, even though he's fallen, or he's, like, he's fallen down lot of mock drafts out there, and people don't rate him as much anymore. But I thought...
Speaker: Caden Proctor was a real like Detroit Lion player I thought the way just the way that he played and I think there's someone that Dan Caldwell would love to have because I'm just just picturing the Alabama play where they threw in the screen and I just think like It's just like someone like that who not obviously not a tackle that you could throw screens to, but just someone that, I don't know, I think could play on the line, has that little bit of something to them, like your Penny Sewell, not saying he's as good as Penny Sewell at all, but I think having someone, a tackle like that who kind of fits the...
Speaker: the maybe the Detroit Lion mentality or the you know the ethos or the vibe that they're trying to get there, I think he'd be a good fit, especially if he's learning behind Penesol, which are crazy to say considering how young Penesol is now, but that was one thing.
Speaker: And then the other one, very funny that we're on the same wavelength here. um So you mentioned the Chiefs before. So my, and you mentioned that they probably pick up a corner later on rather than beforehand.
Speaker: I had, so my mock, I had them picking Ruben Bain with the ninth. Right. And then now with the 29th pick, I had them picking Avion Terrell. Okay. Okay.
Speaker: Okay, whether you like that or not. I didn't have exactly Terrell, but I had ah maybe Chris Johnson or Colton Hood here either. But yeah, i the same. Okay.
Speaker: have i Have I reached a little bit on Terrell? I don't think you've reached. I think they're all in like a similar vein, but maybe... Yeah, I don't know. I think whatever way you you want to look at it I don't think there's a whole pile of a difference between picking those three. And I think Chris Johnson is being mocked a little bit late. I think he's actually pretty good.
Speaker: And he could be a a good first round option. But Colton Hood is also going pretty high. i don't know. Like, is he as... I don't know. You could go anywhere. I think we're on the same wavelength as in that they're going to go attack a cornerback late.
Speaker: I think maybe i'm I'm suffering from the Sonny Styles curse here. Maybe I just saw Terrell's combine and I thought, oh my God, this guy is incredible. So that's why I had them there.
Speaker: But I have Jamard McCoy going before him. That's why I haven't put McCoy there. But yeah, I think those are two two locks, really. like The Patriots and Seahawks, I had them picking...
Speaker: like I think maybe positional-wise, like I had the Patriots picking it an interior interior defensive lineman and then the Seahawks getting an edge rusher.
Speaker: Whether those two positions are locks there, because I don't think there is a running back and really worthy of being picked in the first round again after jim Jeremiah Love. like i don't put I wouldn't put...
Speaker: Jadarian Price there, even though I liked him. And I wouldn't put up Mike Washington there. But i got you know what? I guarantee you this. I guarantee you this. Because of Mike Washington's 40-yard dash time, someone in this first round is going to pick him.
Speaker: I guarantee you. Because the people just love the 40-yard dash. They just love it. So... I see him for some reason getting picked, but I just wouldn't, I don't see it.
Speaker: Like, I don't see that player as a first round talent. Yeah. ba I think on those points, probably a lot of people are mocking Jadarian Price to the Seahawks. And I actually agree. I think it's a bit of a reach, to be honest, because He looks good, but I don't know, like for the amount of snaps he played and also for the level you can actually bank on, is he a first round running back? Like, I don't know if you could stab him and say that he is. So I think the Seahawks are pretty smart and I don't think they're going to reach for someone that they would have those same feelings about.
Speaker: And then in terms of positional need, I think that's a great show on the Patriots needing a D lineman. I think it if for them Caden McDonald was available, that's somebody they should go after. I think just the general pedigree of being an Ohio State defensive player in general, but...
Speaker: He looked very good overall for them. Somebody who can actually put pressure on the interior for them is important because we saw in the Super Bowl and we saw in the entire playoffs, really, like their interior defensive line wasn't good enough and their offensive line had questions as well. So I don't know what's available at this point for offensive line. They could go, that's a first round talent at the back end. Yeah, no, agree. If you pick McDonald, he is a first-round talent, and some people have him slipping into the second. I think if you pick him up in the second, you're laughing.
Speaker: Yeah, that nuts. Like, i i have him, because in my mock, Thienemann has gone to the Jets with 16th. Okay. um And then i have the Vikings picking up Caden McDonald. Okay, 18th. With the eighteenth pick.
Speaker: And then where else do I have? And then I have ah Caleb Banks going to the Texans for the So then because of that, I have the Patriots picking Peter Woods from Clemson.
Speaker: And then i have the Seahawks. So talking about the Ed Rusher, I have them picking Cassius Howell from Texas A&M. I really like them. i like I watched the watch the film before and then watched The Combine. and I was like, this guy is like, he's got really good bend.
Speaker: He is so like shifty and quick. considering how big he is. And then everyone started pointing out his little T-Rex arms, just like Ruben Bain. yeah And then, then, then they hit me. I then watched his, then I watched his 40 and I was like, I can't not look at these short arms anymore.
Speaker: Like they, they look, they look really, really short. So still, I think he's a great talent, but, whether in the next level now the arm length is and like a considerable hindrance to him. I don't know.
Speaker: Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm looking at his measurements here and it's the same as Ruben Bain. Like he has the same arm length pretty much. Exactly. Oh, really? Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, so i don't know if you're not concerned about it for Bain, I think. I know there's not the same... Some people don't have the same grading on the two of them, but, like, I mean, it shouldn't be a massive issue. And if you look on...
Speaker: Dane Brugler obviously has everyone ranked in the beast, um the athletic guide that he has. Like, I think it's way too low. Like, he's got Cassius Howell ranked ninth out of edges in the draft class.
Speaker: What? Yeah, he's got Rhys, Bailey, Bain. Okay, fine. Then he's got Keldrick Falk, Akeem Mesidor, TJ Parker, Malachi Lawrence, Zion Young, and then Cassius Howell.
Speaker: Yeah, a lot of people are starting to get hot hot on Zion Young now as well. Okay. I mean, he doesn't have the same speed. like Yeah.
Speaker: No, I don't know. Like, I was i was watching, what was it, Keldrick Falk, I wasn't convinced as much. He's, like, massive. He's just huge. like I wasn't as convinced. yeah exactly.
Speaker: like the you know everyone In the NFL, everyone is huge, yeah so it doesn't work as much. And then I watched. I Coach Gruden doesn't know that he can't predict every single thing ever, but he also wasn't convinced by Kildrick Falk.
Speaker: If he's not convinced by him, that means i am also not. That's how it works. If he's not, then I'm also not. I don't know why, but i don't I really don't know why i brought him up. i I just felt, I think it was just in the back of my head. And i was like, I'll bring up his name.
Speaker: As if like, he was sat here with me and we were both watching film together. Not as if I... Yeah, John. Thanks. Thanks, John. Could you imagine? it I was actually just sat there the entire time, just didn't want to say anything. Pull up the phone. Yeah. Let's do it let's know it's not nicey. No.
Speaker: christ Not everything is nice, John. Yeah, God, stop it. Okay, let's do our hard counts. Oh, John, please. deny Yeah. yeah I watched that today. What's his name? ah Sawyer Robinson, the QBO bailer.
Speaker: And he had the fake claps as well. So he was like, oh, what's your snap count? And he was like... ah and then actually clapped and coach is like but don't ever do that ever again yeah I love the Jackson Dart one where he just stands up and he just smiles and he's just like And then... Yeah, no, he's starting with it. It's just like, you've been clapping for four years.
Speaker: ah Yeah, that was it. you see his face, he's like, oh. and ah well um Back to the edge the edge class. I actually think that if you wanted someone who's kind of bigger...
Speaker: maybe has some more traits that will help them in the NFL. You could look at Malachi Lawrence from UCF. i Yeah, he's a bit i I really like him. bit of a unit, like and he played for five years, so he's got the experience. And yeah, 253,
Speaker: And then his 40-yard dash was 4.52, which is crazy for his size. That's absurd. That's absurd. Like if you look at Fox, it was 4.67.
Speaker: And Lawrence is the fastest get-off out of everybody here. um Like, even Arvalris, his 10-yard is 1.58, but Lawrence is 1.57 on his 10-yard.
Speaker: So he has crazy burst. I think whoever gets him is kind of like someone that people aren't talking about so much, but they're going to be like, how did we not pick him up? Like, he's one of the biggest staff that is like, oh, we messed up here.
Speaker: A million percent. He is like, there is absolutely no one talking about him and is crazy. he is like, he's a freak. Yeah. i watched, watched tape on him and it's just like, this guy is just nuts.
Speaker: Here, was it? What was it? Overall, average overall rank. He's ranked average 52nd best player in the draft.
Speaker: switch them up Way too long. And 15th average position rank in the Ed Rusher class, which is absurd. Yeah, apparently.
Speaker: Yeah, that's that's kind of crazy. According to but into NFL Draft Buzz, do not slander me. It was NFL Draft Buzz that said it, not me. Yeah, I'm just looking at... Yeah, okay, Brugler has him a bit higher at least. He might be low on some people, but he's gotten 36th and 7th edge, so I think that's a bit more reasonable.
Speaker: Okay, that's that's that's the... Yeah, but I think... So we've covered off kind of some of the later questions and some some of the players that could go to the teams that were in the Super Bowl, which is always an interesting one because you're like, it's usually someone that they let go.
Speaker: But for the Patriots, it's like they have needs still very large needs in their team. But I had a couple of questions and... One of them we already touched on because it was the Chiefs possibly later on taking a corner. I thought they could take a tackle maybe at the start, but if Bain is still there, I think they are the type of team that ends up with an unbelievable talent like Bain.
Speaker: Yeah. And you're like, how did he end up on the Chiefs? And then they still get a good corner. The other question I had was on the first round, a similar question. Do the Browns go with...
Speaker: Carmel, Tate and then a tackle? Or do they facilitate a trade with somebody who wants to move up and pick in the top and just get themselves a later receiver because they've got what?
Speaker: What pick do they have? 16?
Speaker: 24. 24, yeah. um twenty four twenty four yes I'm off there. Why did I say 16? Oh, yeah, that's the Jets. No, it's close. I was wondering why I was confused, but it was ah because the Jets got that one from Indy. Wow.
Speaker: Yeah, so 24, do they just take a receiver there and do something in line with it with a bit of trade? What I have here is a possibility that... The Browns or Giants trade back with the Cowboys so that the Cowboys can pick styles at five or six.
Speaker: And then you've got the Browns picking a tackle and then a wide receiver later. Or another part to add to that before I throw it to you is Cowboys could move up with the Cardinals if the Jets take Bailey and they want to take Reese at three.
Speaker: Ooh, okay. Go with that kind of a... I've i or backer option i've consistently or constantly had in my head that Sonny Styles in Dallas is like the perfect matchup or perfect pairing.
Speaker: I don't know why. like i don't i have i literally have no reasoning why that is a better fit than any other team. it just In my head, it just makes sense.
Speaker: And I don't have the words to kind of explain it. So possibly the worst thing anyone who is on an NFL podcast can really say is I don't really have the words to explain why.
Speaker: But like okay, so the Browns... I could see them. it's whether they It's whether they want to, because I think Karnel Tate is the more polished receiver out of the three.
Speaker: Maybe his ceiling isn't as high, but I think is flaw i think his floor is higher than the other two out of the top three. So maybe they go with him because that is the safest, ah whether they can't afford to ah trade down.
Speaker: But if they you know if they think that you we'll take any of the three, then 100%, maybe... trying to see here. Yeah, I think going down to draft to trade with the Cowboys.
Speaker: Who else would they have? Yeah. Then... they could They could pick up... I reckon they could pick up one of the top three that's left. So whether that is Tate, Lemon, or Tyson, one of them three will still be there, I think.
Speaker: and butdada But yeah, in this mock, I did have the Browns taking a tackle with the 24th. So whether... I don't know.
Speaker: I don't know whether them trading down starts to like panic other teams to pick more like receivers or whatever, and it kind of leaves them with a better tackle afterwards. I don't know. but Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I had them either them picking a – who is he? Blake Miller there because there was a bunch of tackles. and There were a bunch of tackles that went before him as well, but he looks good.
Speaker: So, yeah, that's who I had. I can't really think because my my mind isn't that quick. so i So I can't think of the top of my head. like who could Who would trade up?
Speaker: Let's see. ah Yeah, the Cowboys would trade up Who else would like to trade up? You know what? Maybe. Maybe even like the Bears would trade up just the... I don't know what their draft capital capital looks like, but...
Speaker: To make sure that they get they get like an animal at edge rush or D-line. I think that is their priority. I also had a potential for the Rams trading up because if they wanted a receiver that badly and they got a bit antsy, they could move up. They've got a good relationship, it seems, with the Chiefs.
Speaker: They could trade up with them. They just did the trade for... yeah in the offseason for McDuffie so let like why could they could move up from 13 they have the Atlantis pick to 9 and then you've got the Chiefs at 13 and the Chiefs are probably going to be still happy to to get a tackle there at that point Yeah, and I think i think with the Rams doing then you are definitely getting you're definitely getting you know want one of the three top receivers there.
Speaker: I think they could they could snipe Mikhail Lemon before the Dolphins do, according to my mock. So they could do that. This draft is like, I don't i don't remember any other draft where it was like,
Speaker: completely like after the first pick it fair game like that you can't really pinpoint much it's so open and frantic like it could go anywhere yeah so I yeah I can't remember the the last draft that was anywhere close to being like that Yeah, me neither. I think there's so many different ways that this could go. And you could tell from our conversation, like we have so many different things that teams need and so many different ways that it could go.
Speaker: So it's like you can knock it out all you want, but realistically, there's always going to be someone there. Like I did a mock and I did made a note of some guys left in the second. Now, Some of them are guys we mentioned, like Peter Woods was still there.
Speaker: Blake Miller was still there. Emmanuel McNeil-Warren was still there. These are all like first round-ish talents. and Denzel Boston was still there. Like somebody could come up and take him late in the first round. yeah i just think that even Chris Johnson, Caleb Banks, like these guys are, this is in like a mock obviously, so things can change. But if I did it again, it could be someone else's available. So it shows that even based on this simulation of everybody's predictions that nobody knows where anyone is going no i think that's why it's it's a really interesting year because it could go anyway and i saw today like uh peter schrager from nfl network he he sounded like he was taking shots in the video he posted but he was like basically saying that the insiders
Speaker: He didn't say the insiders, like the words, the insiders, but he was like saying, oh, you've got these guys here on draft like three minutes before the pick comes in tweeting out like, oh, I i know who's going to be picked. And everybody is reading that and like reposting that. And you're just ruining it for yourself. Just put your phone down during the draft and watch it. yeah And be surprised when things happen and when a trade happens and actually enjoy it for what it is.
Speaker: Don't be trying to find out ahead of time because the only person you're fooling in that case is yourself because you're taking the enjoyment out of it. Exactly. hundred percent. Yeah.
Speaker: Like for ah who, who cares if really silly, who cares if they, if they get to know three minutes before the pick, Like, what? the what It but spoils it, really. i think, yeah, like you said, you you're just taking the fun out of it, and it's yeah it's... Yeah, it's less... You see it... I don't know. You just see it in a different light than when it's just like, oh, I already know like what's happening. It's like when you're watching...
Speaker: a football game and it's slower than the notifications from Sky Sports and something. It's like stuff like that. I hate stuff like that. or you get And then you get your mate going, oh, someone just scored now. Shut up.
Speaker: Shut up. why Why do you have to tell me? Why? Yeah, just because you know doesn't mean it's a process to know. Yeah, me enjoy it, man. i do Listen, I'm not on my phone for a reason. I don't i don't want to know.
Speaker: Exactly. but think so So in that same aspect, why scroll through Twitter while you're in the draft? yeah just do You just just stay out of it.
Speaker: Just stay out of it. I think that's the the perfect way to end this episode. I think we covered off so much and like that is something you can take home if you're going to watch the draft.
Speaker: and And although everyone is down on it, like these insider guys said, it's not as good as next year and it's a weaker class. I think there's a lot of good players and there's a lot interesting storylines and a potential for a lot of trades. So I do think it'll be interesting.
Speaker: So hopefully you all enjoy it. And those are our thoughts on it. But appreciate you coming back on once again. And we won't leave it as long the next time. now that that No, thank you very much, James. I do hope Ivan rambled and just spouted nonsense, basically. And i will I will make sure to pester you soon so then we don't leave it as long as last time. Yes, sir. Sounds good.
Speaker: Nice one. Welcome back to another episode of Who's Got the Ball with Shane and James.
