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Episode 23: NFL Draft Roundup & Storylines
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· Cam Ward #1 Overall Pick: Is he first overall pick material ?
· Jags give up to farm to move up for Travis Hunter: Did Jags give up too much ? Will Hunter be worth it ?
· Shedeur Sanders major slide ! WTH happened ?
· Rookie Fantasy prospects to keep an eye on
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Transcript
Introduction and Overview of Episode Topics
00:00:10
Chino Onwuka
Hello and welcome to another episode of the love of the game is your boy Chino and I'm here with my brothers as usual and Michael say what's up to the firm
00:00:20
Emeka
Hey, Wagwan, Wagwan, episode 23, Jordan, LeBron, you know what I mean? We still back, we still at it, man. Happy to yap with y'all for another week.
00:00:31
Chino Onwuka
I don't true episode 20 that means you gotta make this gold level episode I should go what you say
00:00:38
Chuku
Hey man, good to be back, good to be around and good to be with the boys. We got a lot talk about, a lot to discuss, so I'm ready to you know give another banging episode. Let's go.
00:00:51
Chino Onwuka
All right, let's get
Tennessee Titans' 2025 NFL Draft Strategy
00:00:52
Chino Onwuka
right into it. So, you know, a lot happening in sports right now. you know, we got NBA playoffs. We've got, you know, and and in footy, we got different races coming to a head, whether that be relegation or fights for Europe or, know, championships being won. know, have the El Classico the Copa del Rey.
00:01:15
Chino Onwuka
NBA playoffs, but we're going to start with the 2025 NFL Draft. If you weren't watching, if you weren't paying attention, a lot, a lot of stories coming out of the three days of the draft. The first round was on Thursday, so we are going to talk about it. So I know there's a lot to talk about. I know the major headline coming out of the draft, we're just going to start. We're going start with the number one overall pick because, you know, we got to give the number one overall pick his dues.
00:01:49
Chino Onwuka
So with the first pick of the 2025 NFL draft, the Tennessee Titans selected Cam Ward, quarterback out of Miami, with the first overall pick. So Chukwu, I'm going come to you, and then I guess the question I'll ask is, you know,
00:02:08
Chino Onwuka
In a draft that, you know, was deemed to be, didn't have a lot of high end talent. There were maybe two players, you know, Travis Hunter and Abel Carter that people say, you know, this is, these are the type of talents that you would normally see in the top five, you know, did Tennessee make the right decision taking time? We know they had a need for a quarterback.
00:02:35
Chino Onwuka
Did they pick the right one? How do you see Ken Ward doing? what are what you know Can you see him translating to the NFL? Do you see him being a successful player in the NFL and a good player for the Titans?
00:02:48
Chuku
Great question, man. Great question. What I will say is, well, I think you know it's been written and you know mentioned, but this was definitely not a deep quarterback class by any means. you know very it was very, very, in fact, really, really, really one-sided, top-heavy for the most part. And I do realize that you know there were talks during the season of Shadora Sanders in the conversation, but for the most part, I think when it came down to evaluation, Cam Ward was definitely, you know, the clear standout in this year's draft in the quarterback position.
00:03:32
Chuku
And even he himself, his storyline, like this is not someone that was, you know, heavily recruited, you know, during his time entering college. This is someone I had to prove himself.
00:03:43
Chuku
You know, i appreciate it was, i think I was seeing somewhere he was like, pretty much almost like a no-name recruit coming out of high school, you know, played, you know, initially in and different college, had to transfer, you know, know to Miami, played his best ball in Miami the one year, I believe was one year he was Miami.
00:04:07
Chuku
And, I mean, yeah, I just hold out to, you know, honestly show out, like work hard and improve, in his time in college to get to the you know to to the spot that he got.
00:04:20
Chuku
And I honestly think Tennessee kind of got this right because i end the end of the day, right, we all know in the sports that is football NFL football, QB is the most important position.
00:04:37
Chuku
And that's something that Tennessee has not had right for a very, and I mean very long time. And you know when you have a chance to draft a prototypical QB that is shown to you know but as shown to basically be so successful successful in the NFL, I think as the Tennessee Titans, you have to do that even even when they are quote unquote, you know suddenly some may name these guys generational talents and and outside the QB position.
00:05:13
Chuku
in Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter. Even in that situation, you still got to go for, you know, if you have number one pick, you got to go for someone that, again, can lead your team in terms of from that QB position long term.
00:05:30
Chuku
And Cam Ward was that guy. And at end the day, when you're looking at it that way, how can one say Tennessee made the wrong decision? Because if
Analyzing Cam Ward as a Top Pick
00:05:40
Chuku
Cam Ward works out,
00:05:42
Chuku
and pans out and he ends up being the guy that we all think he can be, playing the QB position, then would definitely Tennessee Titans did the right choice, made the right choice, and they got their guy. So I think to answer your question, long story short, I definitely think Cam Ward was the right decision, and it's now on Cam Ward to, you know,
00:06:08
Chuku
get out there and show them why picked him number one. And um umm I'm pretty confident in saying that he he will do that. He will surely do that to an extent this season and the coming years to come. And you know he's going to perform relatively well forward for the Titans.
00:06:28
Chino Onwuka
Yeah, I think first of all, I just want to you know shout out Cam Ward. you know it's It's really funny because I don't know how, but like I got put on Cam Ward's story really, really early.
00:06:44
Chino Onwuka
You talked about him not being highly recruited. He was not recruited at all. He had one offer, one offer only. you know The high school he played for, they ran a wing tee offense, which you know if you if people don't know that pretty much is just, they just run the ball every play. So he was a quarterback that barely threw any passes in high school. He was a zero star recruit, got recruited to the only place that offered him was Incarnate Ward, really tiny college.
00:07:17
Chino Onwuka
you know, and what happened is a certain coach came there and started playing a really spread offense. And I think it was in his second year that he started balling out there. So he balled out in Encountered Ward, put up crazy numbers.
00:07:32
Chino Onwuka
Then that coach moved on to Washington State and then brought Cam Ward with him. And that's that's sort of when I got put put on Cam Ward. And then, you know, He had some good years at Washington State, and he just kept getting better and better every year. And then transfers to Miami instead of going pro, and then you know elevates himself to you know assert himself as first-round QB. So you know just evaluating Cam Ward, you know for those who might not be as familiar with his game, you know he has sort of the the physical measurables, six foot three
00:08:10
Chino Onwuka
You know, 215, 220 pounds. Has a good arm. You know, he's one of those guys that can th throw it from, you know, multiple arm angles. You know, he's aggressive with the ball. he He's the type of player that's always trying to make something happen.
00:08:27
Chino Onwuka
And so those those are his strengths. But, you know, the the the weakness to that is he's always trying to make something happen. So, you know, he he's at risk of putting the ball in danger or or trying to do too much. So I think it's a pick that Tennessee had to make.
00:08:46
Chino Onwuka
You know, they had the first overall pick. They don't have the Will Leavis. It's clearly not the answer. they've invested in the offense with Calvin Ridley and and and other and other positions. And so, you know, they had somebody who is a QB worth taking in the first round. Now, when you compare him to other first overall pick quarterbacks as prospects, you know, does he sort of match up with some of those guys? You know, not necessarily, but I think he's he's a good QB prospect, definitely first round worthy.
00:09:22
Chino Onwuka
something you can work with. And so the thing with me is I feel like it's like, I just mentioned that we'll leave. This is not the guy. We'll leave. This was also someone with a big arm, but was sort of reckless with the ball. So in my mind is that, you know, Cam Ward is in some ways really similar to will leave. And so hopefully he can,
00:09:48
Chino Onwuka
be a more refined version of that, something that you can they can work with and mold. You know, this is going to be, you know, a GM that they're picking their own quarterback. So it's weird because just because I knew his story before he came to the NFL, I want him to succeed.
00:10:05
Chino Onwuka
But obviously he is going to a division rival. So I hope he doesn't succeed too much, at least not against us. And I just feel like, you know, He's going into a situation where he's going to start right away. Thankfully, he does have weapons on offense, so it's it's not bare bones. But I feel like what you're going to see is a lot of explosive plays, but potentially a lot of turnovers with with with Cam Ward.
00:10:33
Emeka
If Cam Ward was in the draft last year, you know that last year was a very QB heavy draft. What QB would you think he'd be taking? Like second, third, fourth? I'm just curious, compare it this year where the draft is very QB low versus last year where the draft was very QB heavy.
00:10:50
Emeka
How does he stack up?
00:10:52
Chino Onwuka
more personal
00:10:52
Chuku
That depends.
00:10:54
Chino Onwuka
Me personally, I would have had him fourth after J.J. McCarthy.
00:11:02
Chuku
but Again, this question really truly depends on if you're looking at it from if it came out last year, including his last year of college production, or if you're looking at it as like he still had what he had this past year and college.
00:11:18
Chino Onwuka
Yeah, I'm looking at him like that.
00:11:18
Chuku
If you're factoring that,
00:11:20
Chino Onwuka
Yeah, if if he was, to me, if he was this thing, like this final version that we've seen, stacked up against last year's QBs, it would have definitely been Daniels, Drake May, J.J. McCarthy, and then Cam Ward for me.
00:11:39
Chuku
I would have put him just in that. I mean, yeah, have him close to you, but I'll put him just above J.J. McCarthy for me. for me As soon as you start getting to Drake May, that's the cutoff. In my personal opinion, i would have put him either right after at best right before Drake May.
00:12:07
Chuku
That's where so I have him.
00:12:09
Chino Onwuka
Drake May?
00:12:12
Chino Onwuka
i Like, that's your opinion. That's fair. But, like, if you, yeah, no, not respect.
00:12:14
Chuku
That was my opinion.
00:12:17
Chino Onwuka
If you say, like, I can say, like, yeah, I can see people taking him above JJ McCarthy, but I do not think anyone would have put Cam Ward in the same category as Drake May last year.
00:12:31
Chuku
I know that was really the way, I said, I had him in that category of either right after me In some cases, very rare, but possible, especially with the year he had this year.
00:12:47
Chuku
He could have been in a scenario where if if a team had picked Cam Ward over May, it wouldn't have shocked me, personally speaking. But again, for the majority, to be safe, i'll just I would have said right after Drake May is where I've inserted Cam Ward.
00:13:03
Chino Onwuka
right Yeah.
00:13:04
Chuku
That's the best way to put it here.
Jags' Trade for Travis Hunter
00:13:06
Chino Onwuka
So, yeah yeah to your question, and like definitely, a again, a higher-end QB prospect. And definitely pushed up more by the fact that it was a pretty pretty dire... QB prospect class, you know, it's really funny when you go and look at the, the, the initial 2025 mock drafts and you see the other quarterbacks that were, that were up there, you know, obviously you had sugar up there. had Quinn Ewers, had Carson Beck, you know, you had come a court and you, you come in a year later and, you know,
00:13:46
Chino Onwuka
some of those guys were getting drafted seventh round. Some of those guys knew they weren't going to get drafted in and went back to school. So that's why it's obviously we'll we'll talk about it a little bit more later, but you know, when people already looking, Oh, well the 2026 class is going to be better.
00:14:02
Chino Onwuka
And obviously you can't get much worse than it can be this year, but you know, The grass always looks greener from far out, and then you get into the season, and then players get nitpicked more. You start looking more into their warts, and sometimes you you find a totally different case.
00:14:22
Chino Onwuka
So we've talked about the number one pick, and after the number one pick, Honestly, to some extent, he barely got any shine during coverage because right after he was picked, a blockbuster trade got announced with the Jags moving up from pick number five to spot number two in a trade with the Browns where they gave up a lot. Obviously, they gave up the fifth overall pick in the swap.
00:14:50
Chino Onwuka
They gave up their early second rounder, a fourth rounder, and 20-26. eight twenty twenty six first round pick in exchange for Cleveland second, a fourth and a sixth. So that was a bombshell. Now, it wasn't as much of a bombshell to me because obviously I follow this a lot and there are some really keyed in Jags insiders that had sort of been communicating for the past week that
00:15:20
Chino Onwuka
There were sort of three options. At first, everyone was saying, oh, number five would be Mason Graham, the defensive tackle from Michigan. But as you got a week out into the draft, it became, well, if we're going to stick at five, it's going to be Ashton Gentry, which, okay, interesting.
00:15:41
Chino Onwuka
Then if we trade down, probably the target is Ted. And clearly what this regime wants is someone on the offensive side of the ball. We just hired an offensive coach. But we're also trying to move up to second to draft Travis Hunter.
00:15:56
Chino Onwuka
And so throughout the week, I was like, man, I don't want to get my hopes too much because that would be amazing. But, you know, usually you see all this talk going off into the draft, but ain't no way the Browns needing all the talent that they do are going to trade away from someone who's a potential coach.
00:16:13
Chino Onwuka
generational prospect, not player, but prospect. Someone who plays both sides of the ball is a first round caliber cornerback, is a first round caliber wide receiver. In fact, he won the awards for both wide receiver and cornerback for the best player in the country.
00:16:31
Chino Onwuka
Mike, I don't think Browns are gonna do it. It will take a lot to do it. And even as much as we throw at them, because i knew we were gonna be aggressive they'll probably just stick.
00:16:42
Chino Onwuka
But lo and behold, you know right after the the first pick, the trade got announced and we got our guys. So i know you guys have a lot of thoughts on it. What are your thoughts on the Jacks trade to the Browns?
00:16:58
Chino Onwuka
Did they give up too much? Should the Browns have done it considering the type of player that Travis Hunter could potentially be? And even thoughts on on Travis Hunter as well and what he could potentially do in the NFL. Can he do what he did in college in the NFL?
00:17:17
Chino Onwuka
Emeka.
00:17:19
Emeka
Man, you know, I get it. If I was a Jags fan, I'd probably talk myself into that trade too. But personally, i just, I'm no GM, but philosophically, I never like trading Halls for non-QBs because that's the only position I think I would give up all of that to move up three spots.
00:17:42
Emeka
And I get it. Travis Hunter is a generational prospect. We haven't seen anything like this, but... Even if he is what he's supposed to be allegedly be, he's a a great receiver, a great quarterback.
00:17:56
Emeka
He could be all around on a team that goes 2-15 next year. And then you're giving the Browns top three pick. And... It's going to hurt. It's going to really hurt if you're you're sitting there next year and you're watching the Browns pick, let's say, first or second with your pick. i Look at the Panthers fans and how much it hurt them that the Bears are drafting Caleb Williams with their pick. like That's not, to me, an unrealistic outcome from this trade.
00:18:27
Emeka
That's why I'd be terrified if I was a Browns fan. And I get it. like i mean, Jags fan. And I get it. You want to, you know, Hunters is such a great prospect. You want to take a swing, all that. But, man, i when you're when you're not a great team, no offense, but when you're not a great team, I just never like trading future first in and in NFL because things can change so quickly.
00:18:50
Emeka
For the Browns, I love that trade. I love... when you When you're bad, just as many bats as you can get, just get them. And that's what the Brown strategy was. They just said, we we're terrible.
00:19:02
Emeka
you go We got Sean Watson clogging up it. We're just going to take swings. It is what it is. Trevor Hunter's not turning the franchise around by himself, so might as well just stack up talent and go from there. If you're the Jags, I also kind of see it from the sense of,
00:19:18
Emeka
We got to know what's going on with Trevor Lawrence. So let's get him some weapons. Let's get Florida kid too. Hunter's a Florida boy. Let's get him in there. See what gus where we got with this guy. And and you know what? Scare money don't make none.
00:19:30
Emeka
Young GM, young coach. Hey, screw it, man. Let's wait for the fences. But... Yeah, I don't know about that trade. It was a shock to me. maybe youre Obviously, you're more plugged in than I am because when I saw it announced, I was like, my goodness.
00:19:45
Emeka
They're giving up what? And hey I hope it works out for y'all, but who knows? And last thing real quick. Travis Hunter, I'm so curious to see what he looks like next year.
00:19:57
Emeka
Because I just can't, and to be in fairness, if you told me this last year, I'd say I can't see a guy doing it in high-level Division one you know, prime college football.
00:20:09
Emeka
I'm going to repeat it again. I can't see a guy in the NFL playing full-time snaps at both sides of the football of the ball. I just can't see it. Like, to me, that's just, you're going to get injured. You're going hurt doing this.
00:20:22
Emeka
Now, if you're telling me he plays, you know, if it be full-time receiver, he plays some spot minutes in slot corner or something like that, I can see that. But if he's doing that, am i really trading up to get him second? I don't know.
00:20:35
Emeka
So, you know, he's he's a freak. He's a talent. He's the Heisman winner deservingly. He won the best cornerback, won the best receiver award, all of that. I'm very curious to see how it looks like in the NFL, but...
00:20:47
Emeka
Man, if I was a Jacks fan, I'd be, I'd just be sweating that trade. And the the bra the Bears, Panthers trade the year before is the perfect example of why I'd be sweating that trade so much.
Evaluating Travis Hunter's Potential Impact on the Jags
00:21:00
Chino Onwuka
So Chukwu, before we come to you, yeah, I'll just give my perspective as as a Jags fan. One, I think it helped. It wasn't the the it wasn't that sticker shock price because but based on what I told you before, based on the player that I think Travis Hunter is, especially in this the case of a draft where you only really had two premium players, actually three premium players, Ashton Gentry as well, but then it's like, okay,
00:21:29
Chino Onwuka
Do you want to take a, then it's the whole thing about running back value. And yeah, we've seen Saquon Barkley and Derek Henry and what those teams have done. But I think really the lesson there is when you're a good team, that's when you want to add a great running back and pay them all that money then it's effective.
00:21:46
Chino Onwuka
So I think, you know, that the calculus was one, i don't know how aware you guys are, but the two biggest needs for the Jags were wide receiver and cornerback. So,
00:21:59
Chino Onwuka
That was part of the calculus there. Two, at number five, after Travis Hunter went and Abdul Carter went, then it was like, okay, Will Campbell's going as well.
00:22:12
Chino Onwuka
That's somebody we probably would have won. And then it's like, okay, is Mason Graham worth a top five pick?
00:22:20
Chino Onwuka
Ashton Genesee probably is, but do you want to start paying a rookie running back? the top five, top five at the position. So all those things went into it. And and so that's why it's like, you know what?
00:22:33
Chino Onwuka
This is the player that we want. We think he's a transcendent talent and we think with the team we already have, it'll take us to the next level. You know, it's what frustrates me is I know the way people think about the Jags, like all of you, everybody else I know who's an NFL fan pretty much bandwagoned their teams because I'm sorry.
00:22:56
Chino Onwuka
If you're a Patriots fan, an Eagles fan, a Steelers fan, you only pick those teams because you're good. So I understand the perception that the Jags have. you know The last two years, we were a 9-18.
00:23:12
Chino Onwuka
The only reason we were last year is because Trevor was hurt the whole season. So with a healthy healthy healthy team, we're not a bottom five team in the NFL.
00:23:26
Chino Onwuka
Well, people don't think about it that way. I had a Steelers fan saying, oh, the Jags are probably good. When was it the Steelers win a playoff game? We have won multiple levels of playoff games more than them in the last 10 years, even with how bad we are.
00:23:43
Emeka
Even with how already. them in one of them, too.
00:23:46
Chino Onwuka
Exactly. So it's that perception where it's the jacks of people just think a certain way. If Trevor is healthy, regardless of if Trevor reaches up to his potential, or even without reaching his potential, a healthy Trevor in that division is about a nine and 18.
00:24:05
Chino Onwuka
So you take a healthy Trevor with what BTJ did last year in a second year, you hope Liam Cohen provides some juice. You now add Travis Hunter. They don't believe they're going to be anywhere close to a top five team next year.
00:24:21
Chino Onwuka
they think they're going to win the Super Bowl? Probably not. But they think they want to be a team that's challenging for the playoffs. So that's... Yeah, as you think about all of what could go wrong, but they're thinking all of what could go right.
00:24:34
Chino Onwuka
And you know what? Yes, there's a risk when you give up a first-round pick, but when you look at similar traits that have happened for non-QBs in the last couple of years, it's been Will Anderson.
00:24:47
Chino Onwuka
I don't think Houston regrets that, even though they gave up a lot. And, you know, funnily enough, it was the Browns as well. It was Julio Jones.
00:24:57
Chino Onwuka
Atlanta gave up a lot for Julio Jones to the Browns. Now, everyone always likes extra picks. You know, the new Jags GM comes from the Rams where it's F them picks. And it's true because, you know, when you're a bad team, you always look at picks. But like, okay, just because you have picks, that does that mean you're to something good with that pick? If you look at that Julio Jones trade, that haul that the Browns got, what did they do with it? Nothing.
00:25:25
Chino Onwuka
If you look at the haul that they they've gotten so far in this draft, what did they do with it? With that early second-round pick, they took a linebacker. Yeah, he could be good, but that's a linebacker.
00:25:37
Chino Onwuka
And then the rest of the draft, they took two running backs and two quarterbacks, which we'll get to later. So... it's It's a risk, but I think it's a if there's a player that you want to do this for, it's a player like Travis Hunter, in my opinion. And as well, we already they already did another trade where they traded a third for three-thirds. So we can get back into the first round next year easily. So those are my my thoughts on that. Chukwu, we'll come to you.
00:26:06
Chino Onwuka
Maka, did you have anything to say to what I said?
00:26:09
Emeka
Oh, hey, man. Let you cook. cook
00:26:14
Chuku
All right, well, I mean, look, I'm just going to give a quick summary. I mean, the end of the day, you know, we can all agree one thing, and that is, you know, the Jags went aggressive when they came to selecting Travis Hunter. Whether that's going to be right or wrong, we'll find out shortly, you know, and and in the years to come.
00:26:39
Chuku
But, I mean, if you're the Jaguars, I feel like, you almost kind of had to pull the trigger in this department. Although, you know, one can say, I mean, if it's not made the deal right and we're at the fifth position, I mean, Jenty could have been there. But, mean, don't know. I'll let you know later on, you know, give us a taste take.
00:27:05
Chuku
Because I thought running back after the year, oh you know, that wasn' able to run him back ja was in Jaguars again, Etienne, Travis Etienne.
00:27:17
Chino Onwuka
ETN and Bigsby, that's that's what we're in kind
00:27:18
Chuku
I mean, how does the team view him after last year? Do we still think he's the guy for y'all moving forward, or is he like,
00:27:28
Chino Onwuka
of. Obviously, they probably see it as maybe an area where they can improve. it's They don't, like ETN has shown he can be a good, almost great player in the NFL. The problem the Jags had last year was the O-line.
00:27:43
Chino Onwuka
the O-line was trash.
00:27:44
Chuku
and
00:27:44
Chino Onwuka
And so that was an emphasis and in free agency, even a little bit in the draft. And so my whole thing with, okay, like, Gentie's good, But the big issue was the O-line. If they've said they've worked on the O-line, then you would think that that should mean ETN and Bigsby are better with the improvement of the O-line. So then at that point, do you really need Jenty? Because, you know, to the point I was making earlier, even with the improvements we've made on the O-line,
00:28:13
Chino Onwuka
It's not like we have the offensive line of the Eagles. It's not like we have the offensive line of, you know, some of those great running teams. So it's like, how much marginal gain is there from drafting Ashton, Ashton Gentry?
00:28:26
Chino Onwuka
I wouldn't have minded it. would have been cool with it, but it would have been like, man, you know, running back top five, like, he's probably going to be good for us.
00:28:37
Chino Onwuka
And then... going to, if he's good, he's going to want an extension and we probably won't. So it was that whole thinking of like these guys, they're almost better on the next team.
00:28:49
Chino Onwuka
Because even if we go to, you know, guess Gibbs has worked out in a team, but I think they were already an ascending team when they drafted him. But even, you know, Bijan, as good as he is, and, you know, you can say, you know, Gentry versus Bijan who was better.
00:29:07
Chino Onwuka
As good as he is, how good has Atlanta been? Right? So, but i would have been okay with Jenty, to be honest.
00:29:16
Chuku
Fair. Okay. Fair enough. I mean, look, I have the day, I mean, entering the draft minus, you know, Cam Ward, who, you know, we talked about being stand out at the at the most important position, QB position, entering the draft outside of, know, Shadour and, you know, maybe Dart as well.
00:29:37
Chuku
I mean, it was really going to be outside of QB prospects. It was, you know, it was Hunter and it was Abdul Carter. with the biggest, you know, quote unquote, generational talents in the alternative positions. And I mean, you know, normally this type of deal, you know, in terms of moving up from fifth to second, you know, I've given up a first round pick and i'm more in that process.
00:30:07
Chuku
you normally would do it for, you know, q b right a right? game-changing QB that, you know, you probably we believe, live you know, could be the guy for you for years to come. But, you know, I really think if you're not doing it for a QB, the next best kind of scenario you want to find yourself making a deal like this for, in my opinion, has to be for a talent like a Travis Hunter where,
00:30:37
Chuku
There is no jokes. This brother is him, both ends of the field. Like, I don't think people truly understand how great Hunter was as a wide receiver and as a cornerback.
00:30:59
Chuku
This dude is truly generational. So, I mean, you look, When you're on Jaguars team, you have already have the franchise QB in Trevor Lawrence, who you believe is the guy that is meant to take you to the promised land.
00:31:15
Chuku
I mean, why not give him such weapon to add to an already amazing rookie year that Brian Thomas had? And, you know, you parent like pair pretty much have two, on paper, two, like,
00:31:33
Chuku
by out of world wide receivers all of a sudden. And one of them happens to be also someone that could probably be out of world in terms of cornerback position.
00:31:45
Chuku
I mean, there aren't too many times, you know, in the draft you get to be able to, you know, pick someone what like that, that has that ability to affect the game both sides of the field, like how Hunter may have, you know,
00:32:03
Chuku
yeah may have and in the next next level. So I can't be bad at it. I personally didn like the aggressive approach. We'll see if it works out turns out well.
00:32:14
Chuku
I mean, Jaguars already come out, know, mentioning and talking about, you know, they believe in and and Hunter playing both sides of the the field. You know, allegedly they want to start him off as a wide receiver from our reports.
00:32:32
Chuku
and make you know create some packages for him on the defensive side of the ball. I honestly think i see i see i see i could see it working, honestly speaking. Him being on the same field with b Brian Thomas is going to definitely give this Jaguars team a whole different look on offense.
00:32:52
Chuku
I expect immediate impact. i mean Hunter is someone that lives, by all accounts, lives, breeds, eats, sleeps football. Like he has, like if you're going to be making a, know, putting your chips on a player, like you put your chips on a player like Travis Hunter, who hasn't, who comes into this with literally zero baggage outside of, you know, his talked about relationship, which we're not going to get into today. But I mean, minus that there really isn't any,
00:33:24
Chuku
negative press or negativity in his, when it comes to his name. And...
00:33:34
Chino Onwuka
Not about him. Maybe some people around him, which might not be his fault, but yeah.
00:33:40
Chuku
Fair, but I mean, I'm talking about, again, I'm talking about the the player.
00:33:43
Chino Onwuka
Yeah, I know.
00:33:44
Chuku
So the player personally has no major faults.
00:33:44
Chino Onwuka
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:49
Chuku
So I guess I'm trying to say is, you know, you bet on a high character like that, you know, and someone like himself that has such high character and and has all the talent in the world, you just want to provide a, you know, a place for him to, to blossom. And I think, you know, Jaguars definitely fit that description of a team that, you know, has clearly put their chips on him. And do surely, i mean,
00:34:19
Chuku
having invested as much as they have, I mean, they have all the reasons in the world to basically, you know, give him all that he requires or needs to be able to show up on the next level. So, yeah, I'm very, very, you know, interested us to to see how things turn out. And I mean, by all accounts, if he is able to even do just half of what was do know what what we think he can be in the next level,
00:34:49
Chuku
that's still going to be one hell of a football player. And I definitely think Jaguars, though was gamble, right? Though definitely was a gamble to give up all that they did to get to straight up to this spot, I think it's one that can be rewarded in the coming years with what Travis may become.
00:35:10
Chuku
And time will tell. Time will tell. But I best believe a lot of guys are definitely going be He's circled to watch the Jaguars more actually as the the years go by. And they have a chance to be something special on the offensive side of of things when it comes to having both Hunter and Brian Thomas on that side of the field.
00:35:34
Chuku
So we're interested to see.
00:35:37
Chino Onwuka
Yeah, and and honestly, Chukwu, where you're at is where I am. like It is a big gamble. It's a huge, huge gamble. But if there's a certain type of player you're going to make that gamble for, and a gamble is called a gamble for a reason, you want it to be on a stock,
00:35:59
Chino Onwuka
like on a bet like Travis Hunter. And so Emeka alluded to it earlier. Can he do it in the NFL? i met I tracked him in high school he played both ways.
00:36:13
Chino Onwuka
He said he wanted to do it in college. I was like, okay, okay, bro. This ain't high school anymore. You think you're going to play Div 1 and play, you know, offense and defense? Okay, maybe it's going to be more like, you know, Champ Bailey and Charles Woodson, you know, even a little bit of Dion where you're playing both ways in quotations, but it's not really what you're saying.
00:36:34
Chino Onwuka
And that's sort of why he chose to... you know, he was recruited by the Alabamas and Florida States of the world. where He chose to go to Jackson State, which was – don't know if you guys remember that day because he flipped last minute to Jackson State. That was like a crazy day in the world of sports just so – because that was the coach that would actually let him do that, like not just say it to bring him on, but actually let him play both ways.
00:36:59
Chino Onwuka
And he did it at Jackson State. He did it. Then was like, okay, now you're playing, you know – FBS football, Dylan did one. Even that first year, he was just the fact that he did it was crazy enough and that he was pretty good at it, which was crazy.
00:37:16
Chino Onwuka
And then last year, he was unreal at both ends of the field. And I honestly didn't think he could do it. This man has inhuman levels of of endurance, fitness, mental strength, et cetera.
00:37:33
Chino Onwuka
Can he do it in the NFL? I'm still skeptical because, again, we haven't seen it done before, at least not since like the 1940s when almost everyone played both ways. It's going to be interesting to see.
00:37:47
Chino Onwuka
It's up to the Jags and the coaching staff to to manage it and get the most out of him and him to to hold up his end of the bargain. you know Like Chukwu said, they are going to start him off on offense, you know bring him along with some packages on defense, but How's he going to hold up physically?
00:38:05
Chino Onwuka
You know, the the the risk is for him to try to do this. It's going to put a lot of strain on his body. He did have injuries in college. It's not going to get any easier from here. So everyone's going to be watching. so I'm going to be watching to hope he succeeds. I'm going to be watching so that they can clown the Jags more. And so it's it's a risk they've taken. and so let's see if it pays off.
00:38:31
Chino Onwuka
And, you know, He wasn't the only Colorado buff in the
The Surprising Fall of Shadur Sanders
00:38:36
Chino Onwuka
headlines. Really, the major story coming out of the draft was Shadur Sanders, someone who coming into the season was hyped as being the potential number one overall pick.
00:38:48
Chino Onwuka
We all know who his dad is, Coach Prime. you know We all know you know what he's about. good player on the field, but you know very flashy. The celebration with the wristwatch.
00:39:00
Chino Onwuka
And you know we talked about it in the pod earlier, you know, what are the possible landing spots for him? You know, I think we all felt Cam Ward was going to be the first quarterback taken. So we said, okay, could it be the giants?
00:39:15
Chino Onwuka
No, they signed with Russell Wilson. and they signed, uh, his name slipping my mind.
00:39:24
Chino Onwuka
the other QB helped me out guys. and Anyway, it's like,
00:39:27
Emeka
you concern Gabriel?
00:39:31
Chino Onwuka
No, it's the agency.
00:39:31
Emeka
No. Oh, Kenny Pickett.
00:39:35
Chino Onwuka
No, no, no, no. The Cleveland, the Giants, the Giants.
00:39:39
Emeka
Oh, Jameis and Russ.
00:39:40
Chino Onwuka
and m James Woodson, yes, thank you. So they signed two veteran QBs. Would they still draft another one? So, you know, I felt that could still be, i clearly we felt they were still looking for another quarterback that ended up panning out. So we said, okay, but if it's not the Giants, who could it be? me We didn't really know about the Derek Carr situation at the time. So,
00:39:59
Chino Onwuka
We felt, okay, well, if it's not the Giants, then maybe it's the Steelers, and we thought that could be a potential landing spot for him. Anyways, what ended up happening was he didn't go to the Giants.
00:40:11
Chino Onwuka
The Giants did end up trading. They they took Aguil Carter with the third pick. They did end up trading back into the first four quarterback, but it wasn't Shader. They took Jackson Dart instead.
00:40:24
Chino Onwuka
The Steelers didn't take a quarterback in the first round. There were thoughts maybe the Rams might maybe be looking to take a quarterback to develop someone behind
00:40:35
Chino Onwuka
behind there behind Matthew Stafford. They didn't take a lot. And so you had Shadur Sanders sliding all the way out of the first round. And that was huge, huge news. you know There were cameras at his live draft party.
00:40:50
Chino Onwuka
you know He set up his own draft room with hashtag legendary. That was a huge story. So then it was like, okay, well, which team, you know, maybe did the there were lots of concerns about, you know, how the whole draft process went out for him.
00:41:06
Chino Onwuka
He didn't participate at senior day, didn't participate at the combine, know, rumors that his interviews didn't go well, concerns about his personality, concerns about the influence of his dad,
00:41:19
Chino Onwuka
But okay, who's going to come get him on day two? Cleveland has two of the first four picks. you know Steelers have a second round pick. All right. Who's he going to go to in the second?
00:41:32
Chino Onwuka
We go through the second round of the draft. He still doesn't get picked. In fact, we have two q other QBs get drafted on day two. None of them should hear Sanders. The New Orleans Saints drafting Tyler Shaw, which...
00:41:48
Chino Onwuka
you know some Some of you may have seen the the the clip of the of their their Twitter spaces and the crash out that happened there. But a lot of people, there were there was a lot of talk about Tyler Shaw being a riser in the draft process. you know Yeah, he's 26 years old. Yeah, he's got injury history, but he's a big arm. So we'd heard about him. So that was okay. so But the Browns then select the QB.
00:42:14
Chino Onwuka
But who do they select? Dylan Gabriel. And I don't even know if we have enough time to discuss that aspect of it. So round two, round three goals and Shadrish Sanders still doesn't get drafted. So not only was he not a first round pick, not top 10, not first round, not second round, not third round, but he's now a day three quarterback.
00:42:40
Chino Onwuka
Fourth round goal still doesn't get drafted. Finally, finally, he gets drafted the fifth round by whom? The Cleveland Browns, who had multiple opportunities to draft him, even drafted another quarterback ahead of him. So I've set the table. i've sort of laid out the story.
00:42:59
Chino Onwuka
so much to unpack and discuss here. i'm going to th throw it out to where you guys want to start with first, because obviously we spoke about it all weekend, but this was just crazy to watch unfold.
00:43:12
Emeka
Yeah, like... Oh, man. it's it's It's tough because this is a topic every one of their mamas have has waited on, including the President of the United States out here saying he's got great genes.
00:43:25
Emeka
Why wouldn't you take Stradore Sanders? I'm going to preface this by saying I'm not the biggest college fan, but... I did watch that, uh, the one game where he had the Hail Mary game winning pass. So my, my thought of Shador has always been higher than most. I find because he looked great that game.
00:43:46
Emeka
So I was under the impression he was going to go first round. Like I literally was, to me, it was like a no brainer. In fact, conversation was, was he going to go like top five or maybe like top 10 at the worst?
00:44:00
Emeka
And it sounds like Shador had the same thinking too. And that kind of played into how we approach the, the draft process. He didn't throw at the combine.
00:44:12
Emeka
By all accounts, he had garbage interviews with people. He didn't have a greatest pro day. You know, he you had the Dion quotes when he was saying, I wouldn't let certain teams draft him.
00:44:22
Emeka
All that, he handled it like it was a foregone conclusion. He was going to go top five. Turns out it wasn't a foregone conclusion. And teams had real...
00:44:34
Emeka
concerns of him i mean yeah i'm not a college guy but i after the fall i started reading some things and it wasn't as turns out it wasn't as much as a consensus he was a first round talent as i thought some people have him for sure first round talents some people had him as a second or third round talent they said his arm isn't that strong he's smaller he has terrible pocket presence so there are nitpicks about it and my theory is Once you're not a starter, and really only Cam Ward is drafted to be a starter, maybe Shao, but really Ward is the only confirmed guy like we're going to start week one.
00:45:10
Emeka
If you're a backup, the last the NFL GMs want is for you to be a distraction. That's always like the most cardinal sin in the NFL. You're not worth distraction. We don't want guys to be a distraction.
00:45:23
Emeka
If you draft Shador, you're going to have first take. Shit, Fox News now, which I'm tweeting. going have everyone talking about why isn't he playing? Why isn't he playing? Oh, you're starting QB through two interceptions.
00:45:37
Emeka
The camera's going to cut immediately to Shador on the sidelines. DL's going to be in the media saying, give my boy a chance. It's just a lot of noise, and I can just see a lot of GMs just being... why We don't want to deal with this. Like, we don't want to put this spotlight on our team now where every time our starting QB does something wrong, we got we got to answer questions in the media about this.
00:45:58
Emeka
So I can see that kind of turning teams off. And then maybe his interview was even as worse as I think because they're making it sound like his interviews. He just showed up there, flashed the rollie, and said, hey, man, where are the clubs at? Like, the way they're making it sound like he had the worst interviews of all time, I don't know.
00:46:14
Emeka
So for his sake, I'm hoping this fall humbles him. And, you know, he gets uses motivation to be like, I, I gotta go grind right now. I'm in Cleveland.
00:46:30
Emeka
It's not the greatest QB room. If you are who you think you are, you got to be able to beat at least three of these guys and be the backup to start the season. And, you know, put some good tape in in preseason.
00:46:41
Emeka
Even if they cut you, some other team picks you up. I'm hoping he views this as like, all right, I got to go grind and get this. And not just as an insult or whatever. And then he just shows up.
00:46:54
Emeka
ego's bad. I don't know. I mean, flip side though, you never really hear bad things from his teammates about him. So maybe he's actually, it's overplayed and he's he's a good leader and all that and everything works out. I don't know, but Man, i I've never seen, usually when teams fall, like Levis last year, everyone would say he might be but even go first. Who knows? buth bla Blah, blah, blah.
00:47:16
Emeka
Or two years ago, sorry. Levis was talked about like he might go like top five. He fell and he fell and he fell. He still went like the second pick in the second round. He still went relatively high.
00:47:28
Emeka
To fall from potential top five to the fifth round is unheard of. So, hey, something had to have happened. And eventually the story is going to come out, what he did in the interviews or what was going on in the background. Something had to have happened because you would think by, like, the end of the second, third round, someone just takes a chance on the brother. If he's as good as we think, like, you just take a swing on him, you think. But the fact he fell all the way to 144,
00:48:00
Emeka
I'm hoping when the story is finished and all said and done, they say this was the best thing that happened to him. it made him lock in, take the job seriously. And if I was in Shador's corner, I'd tell him Brock Purdy got drafted last overall, last pick ever in the draft.
00:48:17
Emeka
He's about to sign a $200 million dollar deal, man. doesn't matter where you get drafted. It just matters what you do with it.
00:48:23
Chino Onwuka
Chukwu, your thoughts?
00:48:26
Chuku
All I got to tell y'all is words cannot begin to describe how I felt about this whole situation. I mean, all this did for me was just confirm that in the NFL, the machine just is undefeated, bro. Like, it's the the owners...
00:48:50
Chuku
There's no way you can tell me, i'm like again, I'm so sorry, but there's no way you can tell me this was not clear evidence of NFL teams colluding to basically, you know, teach somebody, in this case, Shador Sanders, a lesson. there's just' There's no way you can convince me otherwise. Like, look, I understand, I guess, Amaka, you know,
00:49:19
Chuku
youre You're reading out that know we could possible like people are viewing him as not a first-round option. And that's okay. You know what? That's okay. Because had seen those reports as well where you know it was never a you know guarantee that he was going to be a first-round, even though by all accounts and by all major outside evaluators, everyone pretty much had him as a first-round pick.
00:49:50
Chuku
know, majority of the evaluators had him as a first round pick, but there was conversation that, you know, that was on the discussion of, let's not be surprised if teams, you you know, don't pick him in the first round and, you know, he ended up being a second round pick.
00:50:04
Chuku
I don't know where you heard about third round because I never saw as far as third, you know, but second, you know, yes, it was definitely, at least just to summarize, it was definitely talks that he could be a day two pick.
00:50:18
Chuku
No question about it. Okay. But for this brother to not get picked in the first and second days of this draft is just diabolical work.
00:50:34
Chuku
And I mean, what's this name? does it Not Dylan Brooks, but Dylan do who?
00:50:43
Chuku
Dylan Gabriel? That's who got picked over Shador Sanders in the same team in Cleveland? I mean, the Saints just have to be ashamed of themselves because you you drafted who?
00:50:58
Chuku
What? Like, I don't know. Only team that I can honestly say, apart from Tennessee, which granted, you know, is what it is, that drafted a QB, that I can be like, okay, you know what?
00:51:12
Chuku
but I can't hate on this too much. Even though I may disagree with their selection. but I can't hate on it outside of Tennessee Titans, because obviously Cam Ward is always going to be number one, is the Giants who picked you know Jackson Dart. And I mean, I don't agree with that selection, but Dart on his miss play has definitely shown or proven to be a riser in the draft.
00:51:46
Chuku
This is, he wasn't no scrub in college. You know, he has his own stories of, you know, transferring from USC to Ole Miss and, you know, playing, playing well, you know, his his last year. so I'm not going to get into all that. I mean, it was reasonable, understandable why the Giants, you know, picked him. But I mean, outside of that, I mean, you know, the Saints, Pittsburgh, you pick Will Howard in the, in the what, seventh or eighth round.
00:52:15
Chuku
When, Shidorah was just right there available to you multiple rounds earlier. Like, I mean, yeah, I'm sort of speechless because nothing Shidorah has done on tape warrants being picked outside of the top two rounds.
00:52:38
Chuku
You can't tell me otherwise. On just tape and talent alone, there is nothing. that would have this brother not being selected at least the first two rounds.
00:52:52
Chuku
But somehow, you want to tell me that 32 teams passed on him, not one, not two, not three, not even four rounds. They waited until the fifth round.
00:53:07
Chuku
For lack of a better word or better term, this was an embargo that was set on Shador Sanders' not to be touched in these rounds or those early rounds to teach him a lesson.
00:53:20
Chuku
And clearly, you know, at some point they felt, okay, the team felt, okay, we can allow someone to draft him at at this point. I guess fifth round must have been the free-for-all for, all for you know, when someone could select him because there's no way you tell me that, you know,
00:53:40
Chuku
Shador Sanders come into this draft was a fifth-round pick. There's just no way you can tell me that. And then second of all, again, the team did end up selecting him in the draft. So, I mean, it's not like if they truly wanted to, you know, to to run their, you know, I guess, again, this embargo treatment of of the the commodity that Shador Sanders,
00:54:06
Chuku
He could have gone undrafted. The NFL teams could have just said no undrafted. But, I mean, clearly, if someone did draft him, so there must have been some point where they must have had conversation where, you know, hey, Shador Sanders is available you know from fifth round onwards. And I believe that's definitely a conversation.
00:54:31
Chuku
Excuse me. But I believe that's definitely conversation that must have taken place because, again, nobody... i mean, all i you have to do is look at Mel Kuyper's reaction to Sanders getting drafted where he did.
00:54:45
Chuku
Like, you the NFL made a fool out of all the top draft evaluators who had done their rankings. By the way, nowhere was Shador Sanders rated outside, close to being outside of the top 50. In fact, a lot of them had him projected mainly in the top 20.
00:55:13
Chuku
This is not 20 QBs. This is top 20 players in the entire draft. And you're telling me he gets elected player in the draft. It's amazing to me.
00:55:28
Chuku
I mean, it just screams, you know, Collusion, i mean, I don't know if it was ever a case to be made, you know, terms of the league ownership and and and, you know, what the league has done in terms of their efforts to exclude or collude against a particular player.
00:55:48
Chuku
This has to be brought up as a case study. And, I mean, don i don't have any other, you know, type of descriptions or words to just kind of explain what's going on. This is something that's unprecedented.
00:56:01
Chuku
like It's never been seen before. They have been spies in the draft, yes, but not to this level, not to this deb degree. And it's just egregious that the NFL can get away with such oh so no such a ridiculousness. Like, thank God he's the son of a former, very, very highly respected NFL player, where in his case, money is not something that, you know, is an issue because...
00:56:30
Chuku
for one, they just cost my boy over $30 million dollars in terms of, you know, contract deals for his place in the draft where we know his talent supersedes where he was picked.
00:56:45
Chuku
But now, you know, I can say is at least he's in a situation where in that QB room in Cleveland, I mean, she if he is who we think he is, he has an opportunity now to work his way to a starting job and show these people what the hell they messed up, where they messed up at. Because, again, by no means should he ever, and i mean ever, have been drafted this low.
00:57:17
Chuku
And, yeah, I think i think it's going to be motivation for him to to show out. And I just have a feeling that, you know, in the years to come,
00:57:30
Chuku
there's going to be documentaries, best belief, about what happened in this draft. And it's a shame, honestly speaking, because, I mean, this supposed to be a draft that, you know, I mean, for the most part, we get it. It wasn't too many talents in the QB position.
00:57:47
Chuku
You know, it wasn't, we're not saying this is the highest the most highly, you know, deepest draft with the most talent or anything of that nature. But, I mean, there were some, on a day that's meant to be filled with great storylines of, you know, amazing players being picked by their NFL teams to start their NFL careers.
00:58:08
Chuku
A lot of the the shine is going to be drowned out by this one particular, you know, draft situation where we saw the NFL as an organization come together to put down
00:58:26
Chuku
you know, an NFL talent that's for whatever reason, for no reason, no reasonable reason in my opinion, should he have, you know, been put in this situation to have fallen as far as he did in the draft. And the NFL has made it about that.
Shadur Sanders' NFL Prospects in Cleveland
00:58:49
Chuku
They effectively made a thing where this is going to be something that's going talked about. You know, when it comes to this draft, it's going to be one of the main topics that's talked about.
00:59:00
Chuku
And, Yeah, it's going to be an interesting storyline to follow in the years to come. But I just think.
00:59:08
Chino Onwuka
you Yeah, as as far as i i as... As shocked as I was, as shocked as a lot of people were, I don't think it was... highly doubt it was you know targeted collusion. i think you know it's bits of what you said, Chuka, and bits of what you said, Emeka. I think...
00:59:32
Chino Onwuka
really it was just a consensus. you know remember coming in, you know certain people in our chats, you know like you know if if you got your draft analysis or your ideas of college prospects for the draft from from first take and those sort of shows, you would have thought that Shadira was going number one the whole season. And I remember saying, look,
00:59:55
Chino Onwuka
Yashiger is a good quarterback. Because of his name they're going to talk about it. He's not that guy. He's a good quarterback. He's actually talented, but he doesn't have those amazing physical tools.
01:00:08
Chino Onwuka
You know, he has his warts. There's things that he's good at. He's good at layering the ball. He's good at being on time. He's good at getting the ball to his playmakers. But he's not he's He's not a Trevor Lawrence, a Caleb Williams, a Joe Burr as what they were thought of in college.
01:00:27
Chino Onwuka
So I always felt that he was a guy who, you know, we talked about where we would rank Cam Ward, you know, and with the view to the last year's class.
01:00:39
Chino Onwuka
And I don't know why we forgot to mention Caleb Williams' name, but You know, we talked about Cam Ward, you know, somewhere after Caleb, Daniels, May in that area. Now, where would Sanders have been?
01:00:52
Chino Onwuka
and would have been probably after JJ, but in that range. He would have been in that range of JJ,
01:01:03
Chino Onwuka
the guy that went to Atlanta, but he would have definitely been ranked above Bo Nix. I don't think anyone saw Bo Nix being drafted that high. So it's one of those things where you expect quarterbacks to get pushed up the draft, regardless of where you have them on the big board.
01:01:16
Chino Onwuka
You know, Sanders, what by most people was seen as more of a more fringe first round prospect, you know, maybe second round, but those type of quarterbacks usually get drafted in the first round.
01:01:31
Chino Onwuka
But I think it was a lot of what Emeka said where, you know, we had a... Yeah, I think we talked about it. We a situation where there weren't as many teams as usual who needed a QB.
01:01:43
Chino Onwuka
A lot of teams have their QBs entrenched. You had a pretty good draft class last year, which means you have a lot of young quarterbacks in the league who teams aren't ready to move out. And you only had a couple of teams that maybe you would see would need one. And a lot of those teams decided to pursue other avenues to plug holes, which indicated they weren't necessarily looking to draft the QB high. So that limited the market for Shadr. So,
01:02:09
Chino Onwuka
When youre someone that's not you that you're not looking at as a a starter, even if you think he's good, it could be something, then you know it's the NFL. We already know they're they're not going to take certain things.
01:02:24
Chino Onwuka
So I really do feel like it was a situation where Shadur was playing it like his dad did But he didn't have he didn't have the talent that his dad did. So, you know, if teams don't see you as a starter and you're coming in, you know, acting, you know, better than thou, you know, I saw some interviews saying that, you know, in one interview, you got a FaceTime call and he picked it up.
01:02:52
Chino Onwuka
And if things like that were happening, then I could see a lot of teams saying, okay, we don't want this guy. We don't want that distraction. And you got to a point where you had so many teams that didn't really need a starting quarterback.
01:03:08
Chino Onwuka
And there's a certain type of player you want as your backup. And so they just didn't need Shader. Now, you would have thought at least some team would have taken a flyer on him. once the fifth-year option is taken out of it and you know it's a free lottery pick. But I think, you know like Emeka said, they just didn't want that distraction. So I feel bad for the kid, but I think it's it's lessons learned for him and his team as well.
01:03:37
Chino Onwuka
Like, you know, people are always watching and, you know, the the market will determine what you're worth and the market determined that,
01:03:48
Chino Onwuka
his talent, which I believe he has, wasn't worth the potential baggage that was coming out of it. So now, even with all the shenanigans that happened, he still has a good chance of, with the QB room they have in Cleveland, if he's as talented as we think he is,
01:04:09
Chino Onwuka
If he's as talented as he thinks he is, he should he has a good opportunity to win that job. So it's time for him to try and shut up all those people in the NFL and prove them wrong.
01:04:21
Chino Onwuka
You know, Emeka, you talked about know how his teammates view him. it's it's such a it's such a weird juxtaposition because you know I've heard it talked about where football players like their their quarterback to be confident, even a little bit cocky as long as he can back it up.
01:04:38
Chino Onwuka
And I think that was the situation in Colorado, wherever he's been, is that, yeah, he's cocky. Yeah, he does his roly thing, but he's been able to back that up on the field. And so players don't have a problem with that as long as you're backing it up on the field.
01:04:54
Chino Onwuka
Now, could he come across as condescending to opposing teams and things like that? Yeah, but that's all football players, and you love that when you like the guy. Like Jackson Dart, he's...
01:05:07
Chino Onwuka
He's a bit of a dick as well, but you know when you're a blonde-haired, blue-eyed quarterback, it comes across different than a black kid you know shimming his role in your face. So he's we've talked about it. He's got to go in and win the respect of the locker room, put his head down, ball out on the field. And once he does that, he can be as cocky as he wants. And hopefully we're looking back at it in a few years' time, and it's...
01:05:33
Chino Onwuka
He's probably not going to be Lamar Jackson, but hopefully it's a Lamar Jackson type situation, a Tom Brady type situation, Brock Purdy type situation where spite of where he's drafted, you know he's able to to make a career for himself in the NFL.
01:05:42
Emeka
Those
01:05:49
Emeka
are some big names. Those are some big names you're dropping.
01:05:53
Chino Onwuka
that that's that's that and that That's not on me. That's on him. That's his talk, right? So it's up to him to back up his talk.
01:05:57
Emeka
I agree.
01:06:01
Chino Onwuka
And if he is who he says he is, then that's that's what he should do.
01:06:05
Emeka
All I'll say is Johnny Madenzell's teammates loved him in college too. Everyone loved him, and for the first take, was talking about him. remember Skip Bayless saying he was going to be bigger in Cleveland than LeBron, all that talk.
01:06:18
Emeka
And this weekend, that's been my comparison, I'd say. I think Shanao Samuels reminds me a lot of Johnny Manziel. We'll see if he the pro version is better than the pro version of Johnny Football, but you can get away with a lot of things in college that you can't get away with in the pros.
01:06:35
Chino Onwuka
So that's a perfect... So then, if you if you compare to Johnny Menzel, then you then play into more what Chukwu's talking about. in that Because in terms of pure like actual QB play, Sanders and Menzel aren't even on the same level.
01:06:51
Chino Onwuka
Menzel was a playmaker, yeah, but he was playing backyard football. Sanders was playing actual football. And even with all the off-the-field stuff Manziel had, which Shadir doesn't have, like, okay, maybe he's flashy, he's on camera, but he wasn't going out and partying and drinking and playing games drunk.
01:07:09
Chino Onwuka
And Manziel still got drafted first round and Shadir got drafted fifth round. So, i mean, you are you guys all have eyes. You can tell me what the difference is between Manziel and Shadir and you have your answer there, so...
01:07:24
Emeka
Yeah, Manziel didn't have a dad going around telling people, you won't be able to draft my son. going to nix it. I'm going to pull a whatever.
01:07:31
Chino Onwuka
That was, I know a lot of people bring that up, we don't bring it up. That was last year and he, we've seen how the year went, he drew that back real quick.
01:07:42
Chino Onwuka
Obviously, might have been late. The whole Dion thing was definitely a factor for teams, but yeah, he drew that statement real quick.
01:07:50
Emeka
Yeah, listen, should go look i don't go as far as collusion. I ain't gonna go a lot. Collusion is a big word. I do think...
01:07:56
Chino Onwuka
Yeah, i don't think it's either. It's just he wasn't, like you said, he wasn't good enough to justify everything else in their view.
01:08:04
Emeka
Yeah, I do think the GMs collectively, collectively like, they all were like, in fact, I think what happened was to certain teams, they just took them off the draft board. They just said, we're not gonna deal with this.
01:08:15
Emeka
when We don't even care if he drops the drops of the whatever round. We them off the draft board. And then, like you said, last year's QB class was so deep that there's just not enough spots.
01:08:27
Emeka
And for one of those teams, they're like... we take this guy, we're go to deal with we just have to deal with this now, and we don't want to deal with this. Like, if you're the Steelers, yeah, you could use a QB, but do you want to deal with this stuff right now? Like, Tomlin puts up a lot, but maybe you should know he's a wide receiver.
01:08:44
Emeka
Tomlin will draft him, but for QB, I guess he's like, nah, I don't want to deal with You know, it's just one of those things where there's only so many landing spots available, and teams just said, nah.
01:08:55
Emeka
That being said, i agree that fifth round is crazy. Not one mock draft in history had him going fifth. So we'll see how it goes, man. We'll see how goes. And I hope, I always root for black QBs.
01:09:08
Emeka
I hope he proves everybody wrong and he balls out. But I don't know. It's like the more I looked into it after all the commotion, the more I kept seeing people point out the flaws. and And, you know, you look and like Manziel, where at the time we're all, you know, hyped up Johnny in college only in the pros to realize, yeah, I was a lot of Mike Evans.
01:09:29
Emeka
The same way I'm like, yes, Shador was good, but he had Travis Hunter. And he had a team designed to make him look good and all that stuff. So maybe maybe it's different without Travis Hunter there.
01:09:41
Emeka
Who knows? So I'm curious how it plays out.
01:09:42
Chuku
This is crazy, bro. This is crazy. well I know what you're saying, bro. I mean, don't want to come in and and like put down your points, but like the fact is, bro, he played on a, at best, average to below average offensive line.
01:10:04
Chuku
His only like notable offensive weapon a part-time...
01:10:07
Chino Onwuka
A horrible offensive line. A horrible offensive line.
01:10:10
Chuku
What? Oh, there we go. a horrible offensive line throughout his college career. His only known offensive weapon happened to be this generational talent that happens to play both sides of the field in Travis Hunter, but was still making guys great. He was making guys look better than what they actually were on tape when was performing in Colorado.
01:10:41
Chuku
These are, remember, he played for two college programs that have no national notoriety about them. He put Colorado on the map.
01:10:53
Chuku
Like, bro, I don't know what you don't mean what what he needed to do.
01:10:56
Emeka
On the map. Please remind me, what's Colorado's record last year? so Put them on the map.
01:11:01
Chuku
before before watching Colorado,
01:11:03
Chino Onwuka
No, you put them on the map because
01:11:06
Emeka
Yeah, he put them on the map because Dion was the coach.
01:11:08
Chuku
bro, bro.
01:11:10
Chino Onwuka
before they came, they were a two in ten program.
01:11:13
Emeka
Yeah, because Dion was the coach when they bowl games or something, man.
01:11:13
Chuku
This is crazy, bro.
01:11:14
Chino Onwuka
it But did win bowl games.
01:11:18
Emeka
Like, oh, we go too far.
01:11:21
Chino Onwuka
They did. They won a bowl game.
01:11:23
Emeka
Win bowl games. I don't know about that.
01:11:26
Chino Onwuka
see did they they want a bo game and And for Colorado, even just getting to a bowl game is like winning the national championship. like This is like Rexha winning the Champions League.
01:11:33
Emeka
Thank you.
01:11:37
Chino Onwuka
It's honestly that big of a game.
01:11:38
Chuku
What are we doing here, bro? Did you know about the collateral?
01:11:42
Chino Onwuka
And then getting into it is like, like Chiku said, Travis Hunter was, yeah, he got drafted second.
01:11:43
Chuku
Thank you.
01:11:50
Chino Onwuka
Their second best wide receiver got drafted in the seventh round. And let's not act like all these other quarterbacks that go high haven't been thrown into great college wide receivers as well. So you can't use that as a, as a word for Travis Hunter, because all those guys that play at those big name programs, they're going to four, four high round NFL draft prospects.
01:12:12
Chino Onwuka
So he had one, no offensive line.
01:12:16
Emeka
Alright?
01:12:16
Chino Onwuka
oh So yeah, So if he was a great quarterback.
01:12:19
Emeka
Alright?
01:12:21
Chino Onwuka
Can he be a great NFL quarterback? That's a different conversation. But if anyone ever tries to come for his college record, I will always, you know, push back on that because I don't think it was anything about that. If you talk about, okay, you know, he doesn't have the greatest tools, you know, to me, I always saw him more as a, a Mac Jones type of player where it's all about, you know, getting the ball out, the playmakers, even a little bit of, you know,
01:12:47
Chino Onwuka
Yeah, Matt Jones type of guy. like Not a lot of ceiling, but he can come and do certain things. That's that's the way i always saw him.
01:12:56
Chuku
And all I know is I just think like this is somebody that but all it did was put up numbers on a very, on a team that wasn't on paper as talented as some of the top college you know programs are.
01:13:19
Chuku
And with the help of another generational talent in Travis Hunter, was able to put this team in the map in a position to play and win a bowl game, something that Colorado Buffaloes haven't or don't, weren't doing prior to his arrival. Yes, Deion Sanders definitely helped to elevate the program, but Deion Sanders isn't on the pitch playing and winning said games.
01:13:49
Chuku
It's his son, Shador Sanders, that was on the pitch last time I checked. and was the one that was throwing for 4,000-plus yards, 20-plus TDs.
01:14:01
Chuku
The brother was putting up numbers. And like Chinon just alluded, the second-best wide receiver on that team that we're talking about went in the later rounds. Bro, like this is not a team that, like, how many Colorado Buffaloes got drafted?
01:14:20
Chuku
Can anyone? Confirmed it was I don't believe it was up to including Shador don't think it was up to past four that got drafted like like bro this is he was not playing on a very talented roster and yet he still won he won more games than he lost let's play like that and the end of the day what he put to put on paper By all accounts, you brought Johnny Manziel, which earlier on about, you know, what he was doing, and even with all of what the talent Johnny Manziel has had, the off-the-field issues that he had, with all that being said, he still went in the first round.
01:15:12
Chuku
That goes to tell us i should going to tell you that, bro, Shadrion Sanders, who had, in my opinion, similar um um it's Similar in terms of talent-wise, considered to be a starter-level quarterback by all accounts in the draft evaluation process when you look at what he's produced on tape.
01:15:41
Chuku
You cannot tell me that there's any reason to warrant this type of fall in the draft to where he's getting selected in the fifth round.
01:15:52
Chuku
It's just not, it's impossible. And, you know, maybe we have different beliefs, you know, in terms of what we believe went went on to lead to that point in time. But I'll end it by saying, in my opinion, there's just no way, or sorry, there can be a very, very strong case that there was some form of collusion taking place in the league.
01:16:19
Chuku
you're very well within your right to believe otherwise, but that's what I have to go. That's the only reasonable outcome that I can take from this to explain the fall that we witnessed in that draft of seeing Shador taken in the fifth round. So I'll leave it at that. And yeah, we can kind go from there.
01:16:42
Emeka
I feel like it's a decade plus his past. I can't remember defending this because I didn't even like him back then. I know is lot I did like him. Bro, Johnny Manizel won the Heisman as a freshman quarterback. What are we talking about here?
01:16:54
Emeka
Like, I feel like how bad he's been and all the stuff that happened afterwards has kind of clouded that. Johnny was a better college QB than Shador. To me, that's not debate. He was a better college QB than Shador.
01:17:06
Emeka
Yeah, he had a better team, all that stuff.
01:17:06
Chino Onwuka
yeah Yeah, what i I agree with you.
01:17:08
Emeka
one Yeah, team. What are we talking about here?
01:17:12
Chino Onwuka
I agree with you, right? But I think, like, I always quite qualify things or the way i I watch college football, right, is sometimes, like, you watch a guy and like, oh, this guy's a baller, but you just know it's going to be different in the NFL, right? So sometimes, like, yeah, he won the Heisman. Like, he deserved to win the Heisman. Like, he was electric, but...
01:17:34
Chino Onwuka
There was always a question back then still, it's like, oh, is this going to translate to the NFL? And, you know, it's so like for that, and I hear what you're saying, but even me back then, and I was still early in understanding these things, and really Menzel's probably, you know, a case that really clarified things for me is,
01:17:56
Chino Onwuka
For you to be able to do the things Menzel was doing in college in the NFL, like like what were his measurables? Like he was barely six feet. Who knows what he ran? You have to be like Lamar Jackson level freak athlete to make it work in the NFL.
01:18:13
Chino Onwuka
You have to be Cam Newton level beast. You have to be Josh Allen because there are other guys who are doing lots of things in college when you come to the NFL.
01:18:26
Chino Onwuka
it's a different thing. We saw what Bryce Young was doing in college. Okay, you come to the NFL, you can't see past your linemen, like it's tough.
01:18:37
Chino Onwuka
So like, Manziel was a great college QB, but it's one of those things where I think, and maybe it's just a thing of teams learning more lessons as years goes by of understanding that, okay, can do what you did in college in the NFL. And I think if people really focused on that, they would have known that there was some big risks with Johnny Menzel.
01:19:03
Chino Onwuka
And, you know, the other big thing with Johnny Menzel is even if he was doing all those things in college, clearly the red flag, even more than what he was doing on the field, was his character and his off-the-field stuff. Because maybe if he was more serious, he could have still found a way to to leverage what he had and find some success in the NFL. But...
01:19:26
Chino Onwuka
If you've seen the documentary, you know he wasn't about that. Bryce Young, he had his limitations. Clearly, he kept grinding. Even with the demotion and benching, he came back and he did it.
01:19:38
Chino Onwuka
Johnny Manziel, what he was doing back then, he was never going to be able to leverage. As difficult as it would have been to translate his game, he never even gave himself the chance to leverage what he had.
01:19:50
Emeka
Hey, look, I agree all that. I just, all I want to to to circle back to was, she was much better in college than she did. That's all want to say.
01:19:58
Chuku
I would hope that was the case because, bro, he played in a bigger college program.
01:19:58
Chino Onwuka
Easily.
01:20:02
Chuku
like we just We talked about this. like but You put Shador in an environment that had better resources available to him, right?
01:20:15
Chuku
You could have seen it. look you would' We don't know what could have happened in the case of Shador where he could have or might have been able to play you know better and had more better production than what Johnny Manziela did.
01:20:27
Chuku
and Again, I don't think you understand. like Texas A&M is universally considered a much bigger program.
01:20:35
Chino Onwuka
You know what's an example, Chukwu? I already brought it up. like Mac Jones had a really pretty good last season in college, right
01:20:40
Chuku
Huh?
01:20:46
Emeka
I'm arguing two different things here. So I'm confused by all this
01:20:49
Chino Onwuka
right? He was high up in the Heisman voting, and he didn't do... He had a good first year, but we haven't translated.
01:21:00
Emeka
by all this. Let's get to get the accolades right.
01:21:05
Emeka
It's very hard to be a QB. It's very, very hard to be a QB in the NFL. Most QBs bust. I don't know what he's going to be as a pro or anything. All I just wanted to say was I brought the Johnny Manziel thing.
01:21:17
Emeka
Manziel's acting they were comparable. You can say what you want about the college you went to. At the end of the day, I think it's pretty undebatable, in my opinion, that Johnny Manziel a better college QB than Shador. That's all I'm saying.
01:21:31
Chino Onwuka
I agree with you, but what I'm saying is I don't think that always means you're a better NFL prospect.
01:21:31
Chuku
Bye.
01:21:36
Emeka
um agree I didn't say anything about them being pro-conference.
01:21:37
Chino Onwuka
You're right. We're probably just believing the point.
01:21:40
Emeka
That's what I'm so curious about what his argument's about.
01:21:43
Chino Onwuka
And even, like you said, as good of an NFL prospect Shadr might be, that might not even mean anything in terms of what he does in his NFL
Draft Picks with Fantasy Potential
01:21:54
Chino Onwuka
career.
01:21:55
Chino Onwuka
Even if he got drafted in the first round, I would say higher chance he busts. So, no, I get what you're saying. Now, speaking of potential success in the NFL, you know, my question is, you know, take a bit of a fantasy look here.
01:22:13
Chino Onwuka
Are there, based on, you know, the players and where they went and team fits, you know, where they are in sort of position battles, are there any players that we,
01:22:24
Chino Onwuka
will or should be targeting, taking a look at for fantasy purposes. Chuku, I'll start with you. Any any any good players landing at good spots? you know There's probably some bigger names and maybe some hitting gems who found themselves in decent situations.
01:22:43
Chuku
I mean, i think you just got to go with the most obvious. And I mean, i think this is a player that should be going
01:22:54
Chuku
in many cases, depending on the size of the league, ending of first round, beginning of second round-ish, latest third round. And that's the Raiders running back Ashton Gentry, man. I think he got He's going to be in a very, very good position to showcase his talents as a possible workhorse back playing in the Pete Carroll system.
01:23:19
Chuku
We know Pete Carroll loves to run the ball with his running backs, except when it matters. But, I mean, yeah, for the most part, I mean, I don't see any reason why Agenzi doesn't put up amazing, crazy stats this year and should be,
01:23:36
Chuku
in many accounts on top of a lot of a lot of people's draft boards this year. So that'll be my obvious selection.
01:23:46
Chino Onwuka
Yeah, I think it's it's going to be Gentry. Like you said, it's Pete Carroll, so he's going to pound the rock. And you know what? It's actually a decent situation because they have Gene Rock quarterback. They have Brock Bauer, so it's not going to be all on him.
01:24:00
Chino Onwuka
There's actually a semblance of a balance there, so teams might not. Yeah, yeah they're going to run the ball, but you actually have other weapons there. And then the other clear one is Ted McMillan to...
01:24:12
Chino Onwuka
to Charlotte, you know, there's a lot of talk about him pre-draft. You know, was he going to fall? But he got drafted eight. So, you know, you have a situation there where he should be the number one wide receiver.
01:24:24
Chino Onwuka
Bryce Young came only at the end of the season. He has a big body target, which is good for smaller QBs. So I think that's a good chance there. But it was really weird with this draft because all the guys that people could be looking at for fantasy all got drafted in spots where when you're looking at it on just purely a fantasy perspective, it sort of limits either, you know, their potential or the potential of others around them.
01:24:50
Chino Onwuka
You know, Emeka, your namesake got drafted the Bucs, which is good for the Bucs, but, you know, he's going to be sharing targets with with Goodwin and Mike Evans, you know.
01:25:02
Chino Onwuka
Matthew Golden, the other wide receiver, he got taken by Green Bay, who have like 16 wide receivers there now. So it's going to be interesting to see how the musical chairs play out.
01:25:14
Chino Onwuka
Luther Burden, he got drafted to Chicago, which is good for Chicago. But then you already got DJ Moore and Odunze there.
01:25:25
Chino Onwuka
So it's going to be interesting. If anything, it's probably going have to be taking a look at the running backs. But then even the running backs, it's sort of a a lottery. It's a toss-up as to which one is going to be the one that is going to earn the playing time. So it's really weird. Maybe Judkins on the Browns, because he can sort of fill in for what Chubb did. They're probably going to run the ball a lot. But everyone else, you know,
01:25:52
Chino Onwuka
They're going to be in a committee, but are they going to end up being, you know, running back one or two? Actually, we'll Mario Hampton on the Chargers, you know, could be a good shot, but you do also have an IG there who's a workhorse running back. So it's going to be interesting to see how that split works.
01:26:07
Chino Onwuka
Any the other guys you guys are looking at or anything that sort of stood out to you?
01:26:12
Emeka
The draft is... Every year, I feel like we spend all this time talking about all the prospects and everything in the draft. And then eight months later, some fourth-round guys, the star. like Who would have thought Pukunokua would be that kind of prospect? he Pretty sure he fourth-round. There's always some stuff like that. so it's always funny week of the draft. Everyone has the draft grades and everything. And then season comes, NFL especially.
01:26:40
Emeka
yeah good First round, fifth round, fourth, it doesn't matter. Guys just pop up out of nowhere. So here's hoping we got more guys popping up in fantasy. And I'm sure come October next year, I'm going to be scouting the waiver wire for some fifth round draft pick who catch 200 yards and two touchdowns in week three. And I'm wondering who the hell this guy is.
01:27:02
Chino Onwuka
yeah Yeah, and that's what I'm saying, right? like More times than less. like There's players coming out of the draft that you expect to be good, and whether they are or not is a different question, and some random is going to pop up, and you don't know who that is.
01:27:18
Chino Onwuka
What I'm saying is this year, there's theres a there's a very small pool of guys who you you would you will bet on doing something. Let's even just look at last year.
01:27:30
Chino Onwuka
You didn't know if they were going to pan out or not, but... People were expecting things from Caleb, from Daniels, from Odunze, from Neighbors, from Bowers.
01:27:44
Chino Onwuka
You had so many guys that, oh, Marvin Harrison. You so many guys it's like, okay, yeah, like this is, you know, someone to to put some stock in. Like it's it's very limited this year compared to that.
01:27:55
Chino Onwuka
Obviously, you know someone's gonna pop up, but it's lot I think it's a lot harder this year to identify. who those players could be then than others.
01:28:05
Chino Onwuka
Anything else to add our on on the draft, guys? You guys are already looking to 2026 in Arch Manning. I don't think Arch Manning is declaring next year. and Knowing the Manning family, they're going to want him to start for two years, but I'm sure a lot of NFL GMs are hoping he does, and then we even have to see how he actually plays next year.
01:28:27
Chuku
Yeah, mean, I think that's pretty much for, I mean, draft talks. I mean, yeah, at this point, you know, what I'm looking forward to next year is allegedly has a deeper quarterback pool. So, you know, I mean, going to be interesting to see how this year's draft fairs.
01:28:48
Chuku
But quite honestly, there's only a couple of names I'm really paying attention at, at least financing-wise. And, you know, Travis Hunter, Gentry, you know, they they they definitely lead the list.
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01:29:03
Chuku
I mean, you know. oh So, yeah, it's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting to see what goes on. But, I mean, I don't know how you don't come out of this with one eye on Cleveland to see what ends up being the case with their quarterback situation. Because I best believe I'm going to you know, tuning in to see how that goes down and see what, you know, see where Shador lands in the picking order.
01:29:35
Chuku
But I think for the most part, you know, I mean, I guess I'm curious, guys, where would you guys rank this draft amongst, you know, draft talents or drafts you've seen in last, like, you know, five years? Like,
01:29:55
Chuku
you all have like a you know Do y'all have like a ton of expectations for this year's draft, or would you say not not really expecting much?
01:30:07
Chino Onwuka
Like players are going to pop out. I think you don't have the star power in terms of prospect, but like NFL, it's different where, you know, guys are going to come out of nowhere.
01:30:20
Chino Onwuka
What's different about this year's draft is it's hard to predict who those who those guys are going to be like. Just like last year was an all-timer, like even going into – There weren't too many busts last year. So many players last year were immediately productive.
01:30:37
Chino Onwuka
So many were were immediately stars. And people could point some of who those players would be super early. Now, this year, no one knows who it's going to be, but you know it's it's not as high in terms of start talent, but guys will guys will come out of the draft. Guys will be starters, long-term starters. Guys will be key contributors.
01:31:00
Chino Onwuka
it's just It's not as sexy of a draft. you know Very limited at the top, but a lot of depth. And the story was, okay, you know a lot of guys in the second round or are guys that or lot of guys people would draft from maybe pick six to 25 or similar, pretty similar to guys you might draft in the second round. So that that's the sort of draft it would be. So yeah, that's why we watch, you know, yeah, what you did in college is nice, but now it's, what are you going to do in the NFL? You got you got to put it on the field.
01:31:34
Chino Onwuka
You got to impress your teammates, impress the coaches and yeah, we'll see. That's my view anyway. And i think a lot of people's view.
01:31:44
Emeka
Exactly, man. Draft is, I don't know. I feel like can only really judge drafts after like three, four years. But as a casual, always judge drafts on the QBs.
01:31:56
Emeka
Last year, we had, what, six QBs in the first round. This year, he had barely two. Sounds like a a great draft to me, but we'll see. Again, did you never know these things, man. And also, maybe i'll just biased because the Patriots took an offensive lineman first round.
01:32:09
Emeka
and what's That's not sexy at all.
01:32:10
Chino Onwuka
i think I think the Patriots, and I'm with you, you can't judge a draft after until after three years. But, you know, in terms of picking based off the board and getting value, not going to get a lot of people are are giving high grades to the Patriots.
01:32:26
Chino Onwuka
So even if it doesn't really mean anything, it's better at least to see, okay, they're initially giving, you know, the class an A versus seeing a D or an F. So a lot of people are giving
01:32:37
Emeka
let's see build Let's see him on the field.
01:32:41
Chino Onwuka
Yep. Let's eat on the field. And so with that, we're going to wrap today's episode up. There's so much more to talk about. You know, next time, you know, you hear us, we're going to be talking, giving our updates on what's going on in the NBA playoffs. We're going to be talking, champions league semifinals. We just didn't get a chance to talk about it today. So I'm really looking forward to that.
01:33:02
Chino Onwuka
Hopefully we're, we're happy the next time we talk. But looking forward to chatting about that and more on the next episode of The Love of the Game.
01:33:13
Chino Onwuka
Catch you then.