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Episode One - Uh...Who Are You Guys?
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Join your hosts Kevin and Lenny as they try to convince you why this new podcast is worth listening to...just kidding; of course you should listen to it - the show is about music! And who doesn't love that?
Transcript
Introduction to 'Cuts Over Tracks'
00:00:15
Speaker
All right, folks, welcome to the first episode slash pilot of Cuts Over Tracks. I'm your host, Kevin Palmer. I have two degrees and neither of them about music, but here we are.
00:00:27
Speaker
I'm with my co-host Seattle's Best and I Don't Mean the Coffee. And yeah, I'm recycling that son of a bitch. I got got my my ah good best childhood friend and and and good best life friend. That sounds really Barney-esque. I got to find a better way to do that. Lenny Wells, everybody.
00:00:44
Speaker
How are you? I'm good. I have zero degrees in anything unless it's temperature. Then I'm always too hot ah damn hot.
Why a Music Podcast?
00:00:56
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Hot damn. All right.
00:00:58
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ah all right We got our first quote and it's fucking Bruno Mars. Sounds great. um Oh, no. So what are we doing, Lenny? What are we trying to do here?
00:01:11
Speaker
what but what are we trying to do here um We thought it'd be a good idea to do another podcast. ah This time about ah La Musica, or as they say in English, music.
00:01:26
Speaker
hey yeah I feel like we're both like very leg giddy because I think we're both very excited to be back doing a project ah together.
Reminiscing 'The Life Midwest'
00:01:32
Speaker
ah For those who don't know us from our previous project, we had a show called The Life Midwest where it was kind of like a show about nothing. It had many different iterations actually, I guess, but ah The final iteration was more so just a couple guys hanging out and having a good time talking about random different things from crypto to music to... What now?
00:01:55
Speaker
top 10 series that serial draft was a banger honestly i might i might link a couple of like my favorite episodes in our description here if you're just curious and you want to go back and listen to i can't even say baby lenny and kevin because that was like not even two years ago but um you know it's a new era um you know different room different recording space uh not for lenny but for me so um
Lenny's Background and Musical Journey
00:02:20
Speaker
That's okay. That just means Lenny's more committed to things than I am. I think that's what that ah but is.
00:02:27
Speaker
But as far as spaces and and setups, because pretty much everything about my setup has completely changed. So, um yeah. So, Lenny, a little bit about yourself for those for those who don't who don't know you.
00:02:40
Speaker
Well, uh, my name's Lenny. I'm a Leo lenny and, uh, I like long walks on the beach. Um, and no. So, um, uh, for those who don't know at this point, I guess, um, I live on the West coast, uh, in the greater Seattle area.
00:03:03
Speaker
Um, and, um, ah you know I've known Kevin since the second grade. um because we had so much in common, trains and dinosaurs.
00:03:16
Speaker
um And same same part of the timeline of of existence of everything ever. Yeah, um of course. um and anyways, so yeah, we have dinosaurs actually designed in road trains. We just had to reinvent them after they got wiped out.
00:03:35
Speaker
Exactly. That's and all in the fossil record. um um known kevin a long time obviously since if i've known him since second grade and i'm 34 going on 35 um we were in a band briefly together in high school um and uh uh let's see after high school joined the military and that's why i'm still out here uh Obviously, as you can hopefully tell by the facial hair that I'm no longer in, but did my time.
00:04:12
Speaker
um have a beautiful wife and kids, and i'm I would say I'm musically inept. so this is going to be fun as we go through this. Kevin knows much more about music than I do.
00:04:26
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um and ah so is this will be a good time. So I'm just going to ask the question that I know probably is coming to, I don't know, what whatever sarcastic and jaded mindset might be venturing onto this first episode.
00:04:44
Speaker
If you're musically inept, why did you want to do this project with me? um Because I thought it would be fun. i mean, do I need to do job interviews too?
00:04:56
Speaker
No, I what I say in job interviews is when they ask me, why do you want this job? I tell them because I need money
00:05:05
Speaker
because I have a family to support. So. um You know, I'm not going anywhere until I find a better job.
00:05:19
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No, I mean. Even though I'm musically inept, like I enjoy music and Um, while I would say that my tastes are
00:05:33
Speaker
fairly static, um, I do like to find and experience new music. Usually it's Kevin that's showing me the new stuff. Um, so, um, and you know, I wanted to do another project with you, uh, because the last one I thought was a great time, even though, you know, it kind of ended abruptly and, uh, but said, yeah, of course.
00:05:57
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, i and and I appreciate that. And I and i think that like it's it's obviously fun just riffing with you, but at the end of the day, like I don't think you're musically inept, for one, ah because I think that you you have an ear for what you like.
00:06:11
Speaker
um and And we'll get into like the stuff that we listen to and all that for those who don't know us eventually, but... I think that it's it's easier or more maybe more common. I don't know. I don't want to make like a generalizing statement, but I feel like it's more common when you are um into the type of genres that Linda and I are into that um certain certain aspects um ah you you may listen to or you may hear you may notice that I guess not all music listeners do I don't know I don't know how to how to say what I'm trying to say what i'm I guess what I'm trying to say is that ah even though um Lenny and I have different musicianship level of skill um I think we have both listened to a lot of fucking music growing up I think music holds a very similar
00:07:03
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um landmark and and pillar in our lives.
Kevin's Musical Passion
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um And so I think due to that and the and just the love and passion for music, I think so i think it makes it um like a really fun endeavor to to do the things that we that we hope to do on this show.
00:07:18
Speaker
I think that's a good way of saying it. Yeah, let's go with that. It's so much more articulate. right so All right, Mr. Articulate. So why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself?
00:07:29
Speaker
um So I'm also 34, but Lenny's got me beat by about three months. um So we both went high school together. We met in second grade. um We should also share our favorite like childhood story of each other. So we'll do that. um But I'll make i'll I'll turn it back to you and make you go first. But um ah yeah, let Lenny is someone that I go way back with. We were in a band together ah for for a brief while um as ah Lenny had some interest in.
00:07:56
Speaker
Lenny had some interesting vocals and and so I had and we we were I mean, we were all kind of just starting out with with what we wanted to do as far as like, you know, what we were kind of like aspiring to be like ah our drummer, Matt had like literally just bought a drum set.
00:08:14
Speaker
I had just bought a guitar. um Lenny had had just learned how to talk. he's been He was been up at that point. I don't i don't know what to fucking say. I never learned to read.
00:08:27
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but ah But yeah, was it was really cool because i mean you're like in the eighth grade and you're just like hey, you want to start a band? We know how to do anything. and it's like, who fucking cares? Let's just figure it out and do it. it was It was a lot of fun. so um I mean, after that, I was in several bands and projects after that um from...
00:08:43
Speaker
eighth grade all the way up until just a few short years ago um have have recorded um you know I'm going to make myself a sound a lot more of a big deal than I am. I've recorded multiple records, been on the radio, um you know, not anything huge, though. I haven't done like world tours or national tours or anything, but I do joke with people that I'm a Washington musician. That was my tagline in the previous show is that I'm a Washington musician. um Why? Because I don't know. but i so Someday going to have kids and.
00:09:15
Speaker
they're going to want to pick up a guitar and then I'm going to pick up a guitar and I'm going to remember a few chords and it's all going to come back to me and the nails are going to turn black and the hair is going to turn black. The black parade is going to start playing again and all that other shit. So, um,
00:09:29
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I mean, I just, I just miss it. I miss the idea of like writing music and recording and I'm eventually going to do that. But at the same time, I think it was like, I music has done so much for me as a, as a kid, as an adolescent.
00:09:41
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It helped me express music in a way that, or help me express my emotions in a way that I didn't really know that could be done. um And so it's just always been such a big part of my life. And so it's like, hell yeah, I want to do a podcast and talk about it So here I am. Well,
00:09:58
Speaker
We did have an agreement, Kevin, right? What was that? Well, that agreement was that if we're going to do this, that like eventually you're going to have to like bring some to the table. I did promise Lenny that I did promise that I was going to start bringing my works onto the show.
00:10:13
Speaker
um Luckily for me, i don't have any works yet, but I have to now. So so that's that's okay. i don't i don't mind that. so um But yeah, I have a i have a gorgeous wife.
00:10:28
Speaker
I have two amazing golden retrievers that we treat like our children. and um A beautiful home. um you know I think we're both pretty happy with where at with our jobs and um just in ah in a really good spot right now for for all the ups and downs that that I've had in my life and and and struggles that we've had. um I'm just grateful to be where we're at.
00:10:54
Speaker
And, uh, and I think I, I'm also fortunate to have so many, like have so many close ties to the friends that I had, like as, an as a child to still have, like not to get all mushy, go she like 10 minutes in with you, Lenny, but, uh, it's just really exciting to be doing this. So, um, ah so side podcast here yeah, I, they didn't freeze this year. Cause I got someone, I got someone to can me out with that.
00:11:18
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um i do like to bowl aside from the whole musicianship thing um big gamer I mean Letty and I are both big nerds um I like to build PCs sometimes I get sick of my PC or just so I can build another one ah which my wife hates but that hasn't happened in a long time i'm i'm in like AA for that and it's going really well so um Finally finished school in October, went back super late.
00:11:49
Speaker
I'm kind of like half using my degree right now in my in my line of work, but ah still super fulfilled by it. and Other than that, I'm a mama's boy. and Hi, mom. and ah Yeah. yeah just That's pretty much it. there's There's not a lot to me.
00:12:09
Speaker
yeah I mean, there's a little bit to me, but there's not a lot to me. Yeah. Oh, there's a lot to me, like 60 pounds, a lot extra. And I know we were going on BMI shit on this. i' I mean, if you want to go BMI, I mean, I'm right there with you. yeah Well, I figure if I put it out there, maybe like it'll motivate me to actually do something.
00:12:29
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And so I just keep stuffing my face.
00:12:35
Speaker
So, um, couple of things that I want to do in this pilot episode, uh, one, I want to talk about, uh, endeavors or what we really want to do with this project, where we like to see it go different episode types. And we're not really going to be restricted to that, right? Like we do want to do, we we will come up with new formats and things that we want to do with the show. But I think, you know, Lenny and I talked about a couple of things that, um, we definitely want to, uh, do episodes on,
00:13:02
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um that you know we may we you know we're we're going to continue to do based on feedback, things like that. But I think we'll branch out and and do other topics within the music realm. It's all going to be music related, though. So um ah so we'll cover that. i Also want to we'll do like a short like FAQ. like I came up with a couple of fun questions, um not like super in-depth, like, do you think aliens are real? put a little bit more in depth and like, what is your favorite color?
00:13:34
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Um, so we'll do that. Um, I don't have a good Monty Python impression. I apologize. I shamed plenty there. Um, and then i think, I think we'll probably leave it off on, uh,
00:13:46
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just what we're what we're most excited about with within this project or if there's a couple of things that we wanna share music wise right off the bat, things we've been listening to or whatnot. um And see, formats, facts.
00:14:02
Speaker
Yeah, that's probably what it is. We'll just kind of like teeter around from there and kind of see where it goes. We are going to do new episodes monthly ah for right now. So if you're listening to this, it is May 1st, 2025 or later, ah more than likely, unless something catastrophic happens.
00:14:16
Speaker
But we're going to try do monthly episodes. So first of the month that you get paid, ah ah you know, monetarily and over the years with, you know, our voices, I guess. I don't know.
00:14:28
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um Yeah. So.
Musical Preferences and Influences
00:14:32
Speaker
We already kind of talked about why do this podcast, right? So dribble on that ah you know any longer. but um Lenny, I wanted to ask, i think I think the first thing I do want to address is like genres that we listen to.
00:14:46
Speaker
i think it's pretty fair to say that like we both give everything a pretty fair shake. We obviously have things that we like to stick to, um but I wanted to give you a shot. a shot yeah Take a shot at expressing your how you feel.
00:14:59
Speaker
ah Take a shot at your opinion. No. um i Just you know give us ah give us a rundown of what you like to listen to. So... um I don't want to be cliche about this and say, Oh, I listened to everything, but I, I do dabble in most types of music.
00:15:18
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Um, mainly, you know, rock and its various sub genres would be probably my number one, uh, specifically things like, you know,
00:15:32
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the like punk music especially like postmodern things that are little bit more newer like not necessarily grunge but a little bit of that like garage garage punk sort of thing um
00:15:48
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uh, in high school, I was really into emo and screamo. Um, cause you know, I'm a millennial and well, we, we are millennials. Right. Um, so that was the time, you know, the use was pretty fucking huge, uh, for a while in my, in my, uh, CD player, um, dating myself here.
00:16:08
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um I mean, I guess already said how old am. So fuck it. Who gives a shit? Anyways. Um,
00:16:16
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Anyways, my favorite band is Alkaline Trio. They were actually our our friends do... ah introduced me to them in like seventh grade, I think. Um, and it like really like changed to my brain chemistry.
00:16:31
Speaker
Um, I don't know if it was for the better, but it's certainly changed it. Um, and you know, listening to their music has helped me out a lot in my life and, uh, helped get me through some tough times.
00:16:45
Speaker
Um, you know, ah Linkin Park, obviously, i think if, um you know, our the name for this project, Cuts Over Tracks, is you know, a reference to Linkin Park's music.
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um
00:17:01
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If you know, you know. um And, you know, ah like I said, I've dabbled in just about everything. I don't particularly care for most country music, um which I know probably sounds weird coming from somebody that grew up in Ohio, you know, in and amongst the cornfields.
00:17:24
Speaker
But it's just not my cup of tea. And... and I like also like electronica, like Devstep or I don't know what they're calling it these days is not particularly something I'm fond of.
00:17:40
Speaker
um Every once in a while, something will come across that like, I think, hey, that's not too bad. um But that's, you know, that's pretty much it um yeah i stick to i like I like a lot of rap and hip-hop.
00:18:01
Speaker
No, but Kevin, I was actually really like upset that our previous project had ended like right around or like a little bit before like the the Kendrick and Drake beef started happening because I really wanted to talk about that with you guys.
00:18:16
Speaker
We could have done like a series within each episode like about it, yeah. It could have been such a phenomenal like string of episodes, but... I digress.
00:18:28
Speaker
You know, anyways, I enjoy, i enjoy rapping hip hop. um And um yeah, that's, you know, ah but let me back up because i didn't really listen or give a shit about music for like growing up. Like my parents, my mom listened to like a lot of like Southern rock um and like,
00:18:52
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you know, that ah things like Allman Brothers Band and Skinnerd, things like that. um And my dad was and
00:19:05
Speaker
kind of all over the place. never really like... and never really like if i If you ask me like what my dad's favorite kind of music was, I couldn't even begin to tell you other than just, like I don't know, rock.
00:19:17
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um And then ah my stepdad really like is like super into reggae, which is really weird. did not know that about him. Yeah. Yeah, super into reggae.
00:19:29
Speaker
Yeah. So but like, you know, we grew up during like the boy band craze, right? Where like you were either you're either a Backstreet Boy or you like in sync. I don't know what they're if they have like a term for it or, you you know, it was it was those two. It was like those two groups and then Britney and like Christina or, you know, so. Yeah. um That's like really all I knew about music was just like whatever it was like.
00:19:58
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on like the top four, like in on like 92.5, basically like the eighty t top 40. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so it wasn't really ever something I gave a shit about until like, you know, starting to get into the adolescent age, like six, seventh grade started like really ah kind of like trying to discover, we're not even trying to discover, but just discovering, you know, these other genres that were out there. And like, I heard,
00:20:25
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um I remember hearing in the end on like 92 five one time and it just like flicking a switch. It's like, I was obsessed with that fucking song for years.
00:20:38
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Um, and you know, that's what got me to kind of where I am today. But, um,
00:20:47
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Anyways, all that to say that, like, that's interesting that that's one of the ways that you would describe me as, like, the biggest, like, one of the biggest Eminem fans that you know. You just had, you had, like, such an, asset you like, that i don' I don't know if I just remember that, like, point that you were very obsessed with it and like, always listening to it.
00:21:03
Speaker
Yeah. But I think it's just that like, I think it's when i think it's people who transcend like the genres that they listen to. i consider those people like more musically intelligent um because they, they, they, they have like that one flavor that they like, um but they try other flavors.
00:21:21
Speaker
They don't go to the restaurant and order the same thing every fucking time. and yeah And that's just, that's, that's how I feel about you. Like, I feel like you and I are very like, like we have our favorite thing.
00:21:32
Speaker
We might get our favorite thing for, four months straight. um But eventually we're going to be like, Hey, let me try this completely different thing just to check it out. Yeah. No, I understand what you're saying. Like there was a time where ah was still in the army actually um where I was listening to just like a lot of classical music, like pretty much exclusively.
00:21:56
Speaker
ah hopeful And it was just because it was really like calming and relaxing. And that's why I started listening to it because I was having, sleeping issues at the time so i was trying to find music that was a lot more calming and relaxing and i still will listen to it from time to time like especially if i'm doing like something like tedious um i'll listen to like classical specifically like i really like um bach cello suites um Or, um, cause it's like a really, that's like a really good way to just kind of turn your mind off and, but also still haven't engaged if that makes any sense at all. I'm sure it does.
00:22:36
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But, um, the other thing I like listening to, like, especially like when I'm working and like having to like bust out of like a shit ton emails and stuff is, uh, like I really like the, the lo-fi mixes that have become,
00:22:49
Speaker
like kind of a thing. So a lot of people know low fire girl. I was I discovered that channel when it was still called chilled cow. So that's like a really, really old deep cut.
00:23:00
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um And I would but listen to that a ton and a couple there's a couple others that used to do live streams kind of like the way low fire girl does now. But um so, yeah, I mean, I i like listening to a good mix of stuff.
00:23:16
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Yeah.
00:23:19
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so i um I very much used to struggle with like like when people would be like, oh, I listen to everything. um Most people who volunteer that statement, I feel like don't actually mean it.
00:23:30
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um Either that or I just know how to test the fuck out of it and get them to go like like cringe immediately. um Because a lot of times they'll be like, I i listen, I'll give everything a shot.
00:23:41
Speaker
And then you fucking throw on Avenged Sevenfold or Under Oath and they're like, Oh, but not that, you know? yeah I don't like scream out. was like, okay, well, that's like half of an entire fucking genre. So thanks for playing.
00:23:57
Speaker
um You know, you throw on guar for like five seconds and they're like, right. So, um yeah, a little bit about Aqualine Trio. It's funny because I i think there's there's definitely certain scratches or itches that get scratched for me um when it comes to music. And um I guess i guess the first the first one I will ever talk about on this show and honor of Lenny is going to be...
00:24:23
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um time to waste um because there is there was this point where and and I think it was it was it was fascinating because so many different things were happening all at the same time for for my brain when it came to like music because I was learning how to play music.
00:24:39
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I was learning how to create music. And then I was also learning and discovering all these new genres and things that I never like listened to before. um My dad was a radio DJ for 30 years, did predominantly adult contemporary and classic rock.
00:24:51
Speaker
um His favorite genre was was what's called like watercolor. um If you're not familiar with what that is, its ah instrumentally, it's very much like what local Weather Channel Local on the 8 sounds like.
00:25:02
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But if you're looking for actual bands, ah it would be like Steely Dan, Donald Fagan, artists like that. um My mom grew up on um quite a few different things. When I was growing up as a kid, it was very much 90s pop, adult adult pop, adult alternative, um you know Seal, Matchbox 20, that like light pop rock, like Goo Goo Dolls, things like that.
00:25:24
Speaker
um But also loved a lot of 80s music. um I will never forget. I think Lenny knows this story. ah Was sixth grade driving home and um was had my alternative rock station on.
00:25:37
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uh that was uh around at the time and beastie boys came on and i went to change and thinking my mom wouldn't like it and she smacked my hand um i definitely don't know this story and and said don't change it and all of a sudden my mom's popping around to like don't you come mess around whatever that song is you know what i mean so it's just like um and it was just why just fucking wild she's like yeah i saw them in madison square garden in 86 i'm like mom you're a fucking legend um But but they they had limits too. like the The really heavy rock. like the like i never really like The roots of like what became heavy rock today, like Metallica, Iron Maiden.
00:26:13
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um I'm going to forget a whole bunch. Rancid, things like that. um like The truly heavy shit. Um, but from like 20, 30 years ago, uh, or 30, 40 years ago now, sorry.
00:26:25
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Um, and, and kind of had that transcended into, you know, the heavier stuff that we have today. Um, you know, and I'm not saying these are like direct, like attributes, but, um, you spirit box, periphery, uh, imminence, um, you know, bands like that. So, um, yeah all this to say, when, when it going back to, this is a really long tangent, going back to, um Time to Waste.
00:26:54
Speaker
you You hear music and you hear that you hear certain types of music. Everything is kind of going the same speed or doing the same thing. And Time to Waste was one of the first tracks I heard where... And as I'm not saying they're first to do it, but it was one of the first tracks that I'd ever heard where...
00:27:10
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you have driving drums and bass and the guitar rather than driving the song was just kind of like the accent of like the dynamics and the emotions, like especially the verse, like just that driving bass and drums and the verse um and letting the vocals kind of carry it from guitar note to guitar note. It was very, very cool. And I had never heard anything like that before. I'd never heard music played like in that sense.
00:27:32
Speaker
So it was almost like, here's something completely cool, like or different that you can do with music. Um, And so like that's that is one of like a million examples I can give you. But ah like, yeah, like go listen to the verse of that song and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. What really So i remember the first time that I heard that song because so that was their hold on fourth studio album, like full studio album. And um i had heard. Nope.
00:28:03
Speaker
Fifth. It was our fifth studio album. I had heard their um titled here to infirmary and that's like a little bit more of like a gritty fast-paced like kind of you know chicago punk album and then so hearing Time to Weigh is off the album Crimson.
00:28:22
Speaker
um they Because it starts really soft and slow with a really melodic piano um and then drops into that that that that fast-paced you know ah guitar. it just It blew my fucking mind because I hadn't heard anything like that before. Because that that you get have to remember like at the time like I was, I would say, a musical novice and wasn't very... hadn't explored a lot of ah music at the time so like hearing that was just like yeah and and I think I think the second example I'll give is is probably anything you know when the first time I heard Lincoln Park uh Meteora had been out for less than a year and the idea of hearing rap which I knew basically nothing about with such a this heavy sounding band behind it
00:29:18
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Um, was so fucking fascinating to me. And then to find out that it actually was so fascinating to me because it wasn't common. It wasn't like this thing that everybody was doing.
00:29:32
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Um, and just how good it sounded together. And, and I honestly, ah hot take, I think it was the seed for all of this, like punk goes pop stuff.
00:29:44
Speaker
We're like, artists were like covering like rap songs and shit like that or like re like really doing their own renditions of it and and maybe that's like social media like obviously becoming a bigger thing and youtube people having access to like those kinds of things um you know as time progressed and and you know timeline moved forward but it's just i think it opened this doorway of like cross genres like think about collision course like with jay-z and like in park after meteor like that was like people loved that shit i know i did so um
00:30:15
Speaker
Yeah, there was just there was just so much discovery of ah ah like what music could be. And I think that's what pulled me in even more. is like It helped me express emotions in a way that I didn't know how to.
00:30:27
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um Because i like have always kind of I always had struggled with that as a kid.
Emotional Connection to Music
00:30:32
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um Like, you're feeling something, but you can't explain it You don't understand why you're feeling a certain way. um And then you hear someone screaming over a guitar, and you're like, fuck, that's it!
00:30:40
Speaker
Yeah. um um so yeah uh i guess lenny i didn't really ask you formally even though you kind of answered already but i put as specific as possible what is your favorite genre name some bands that might represent the genre well or be known within the genre um i know you mean you mentioned lincoln park you mentioned now glenn trio um i just did you did you have any core bands that really show off your taste that you wanted to like you know kind of like throw in their core core bands um Like at the core of your brain.
00:31:13
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yeah So well, that's the thing. Like um but if you want to get specific as possible about like genre, like I can't really do that because like the the the music in the bands that make up like the core of like what I like to listen to aren't like there's some crossover, but they don't exist like exclusively within the same genre.
00:31:34
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So. so um
00:31:41
Speaker
yeah that's really tough question because like, I'm going to, you know, I'll give you like three right off the top of the dome. Uh, I mean, I guess it'd be mostly, i would have to say like, like punk. Um, because like, even though, you know, Lincoln park is considered like new metal, it definitely has like punk influences.
00:32:03
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Um, but, um, ah Big fan of obviously Alkaline Trio, which is a Chicago bunk band. um Green Day. um The Clash.
00:32:17
Speaker
And um
00:32:21
Speaker
ah why am I blanking on this? This is really awkward right now. Rage Against Machine. Rage Against the Machine. all right
00:32:36
Speaker
so kevin let's um explore your musical history a little bit more in depth because yeah i've talked at you know at length about mine yeah so so i i truly i truly do believe that i listen to just about everything um my wife is a um like like if if she had a tattoo, it would be something Taylor Swift related. like She is a tatted, like she is imprinted Swiftie. And by proxy, I am as well. i And we'll get into that. I'm sure we'll do an episode on Swift. on on swift like We have to.
00:33:04
Speaker
um she's Yeah, your wife would kill you if we don't. Well, i that too. But like in addition to the fact that I would be murdered by my wife if I didn't, um she she has done a ton for the music industry. She's done a lot for women. She's done a lot for just so many different groups of people. Um, it it would be remiss to do a music podcast and and not do an episode on Taylor Swift.
00:33:24
Speaker
Um, lover or hater. I don't really give a fuck on your opinion on that. uh, even if your opinion is wrong. But um I, you know, so so I think there's that. i there's There's a lot of pop that I do like and listen to.
00:33:38
Speaker
um You know, I have a sweet spot for like EDM, um like like dance music specifically. Downtempo EDM, like the like the lo-fi, like industrial beats like Lenny was talking about.
00:33:49
Speaker
um I literally, when I was working for Apple and I would go into the repair room and have like an eight-hour shift in there. I'm just working on like replacing batteries and displays like while jamming to lo-fi hip hop like beats. So um like that was really cool.
00:34:01
Speaker
ah But it's ah it's like it's just a good song. um But like generally, I can't get behind country very much um or when pop stars do country. I'm looking at you fucking Beyonce.
00:34:12
Speaker
um Oh, that's a hot take. That's a hot take. I'm not saying she can't go into other genres. I'm just saying Cowboy Carter was just I did not fucking like it. um i'll probably hash that out so it sounds less mean but i'm telling lenny how much i fucking um oh shit um i you know aside from that like i i do like classical stuff um mine would probably like lenny's is bach mine's probably i don't mean to sound cliche and say beethoven but moonlight sonata like just i just i i don't know i'm a beethoven kid i guess um
00:34:51
Speaker
When it comes to rock, like that's really where I span out. I don't do a lot of like the classic punk. like like I don't do a lot of like the Ramones or like um like like that like that type of like classic punk, is I guess is what I call it, or like roots punk. i don't I'm trying to respect it as best as I can with that pre-label.
00:35:12
Speaker
um i But there's ah but there's like other types of punk. like I don't know what you would label Blink-182. um because it's not just punk but like um you know then you you have like your yeah you have your like pop punk there like your emo stuff like my chemical romance green day um but then i started getting heavier shit so well you know i think i think blink 182 is definitely like a pop punk band um less so my chem that's definitely like i mean like i guess like you could
00:35:47
Speaker
say that emo is like a subgenre of punk, but it really kind of stands on its own. It does. It's like emo with punk flair. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Green Day, definitely punk. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. on Green Day, I had like a very big like, I think I think Green Day and Linkin Park were my two biggest like music hyper fixations um early on.
00:36:12
Speaker
Like that's where like I did the eyeliner. I did like the painted nails. I did the fucking, you know, I was Billy Joe Armstrong 2.0 for like three years in high school. So unapologetically, okay, all four high school, high school.
00:36:30
Speaker
Okay. All right. Yeah. High school.
00:36:35
Speaker
Maybe it wasn't the flash in the pan that I thought it was.
00:36:40
Speaker
but um But then I found myself wanting to... like That Linkin Park... like i I wanted to tap that like tap into that Linkin Park energy of like that heavier stuff and see what else was out there.
00:36:52
Speaker
um and i and i've And I found myself in the in this post-hardcore, metalcore genre of... under oath and norma gene and attack attack and a day to remember and um God, there's so many that I'm leaving out, but just I wanted more of like that screaming energy because to me, like like a lot of people think that's fucking noise, and I and i and i understand why they think that's just noise.
00:37:21
Speaker
um I understand that, but to me, it's... Lenny, do you remember our ninth grade teacher? Yes. So, listen, I know she was a fucking fruit basket, but this is one of my favorite things she ever taught me. Okay. Okay.
00:37:38
Speaker
So she was just a little out there, but, but ah she, I think she, she pushed people to be creative and that's what I love about her. But I do remember that when we were taught, there was something about something in the subject of like a book that we read had all this, like had swearing in it. And it wasn't like riddled with like cuss words, but it had some cuss words in it.
00:38:00
Speaker
And what she said was, and I'll never forget that she goes, sometimes the artist, needs needs the exact right word to express something, an emotion, a feeling, a context.
00:38:11
Speaker
And there's just no better word than that word. and And that was so profound to me, not not only like for English like in general. like like That's probably one of like the most profound things anyone's ever taught me in English, um like in any English class. so But what I will say is um that's how I feel about Scream Out.
00:38:32
Speaker
I think there are certain contexts and emotions and just, and there's just energy where it just it's just, it it comes out better if it's being screamed.
00:38:43
Speaker
Yeah, no, I can, I can a hundred percent get on board with that. Um, yeah. So, so it's, it's funny because I think, I think for a while my music tastes toned down a bit and tone. And I mean, what I mean by toned down is like, I thought I was going to end up being in one of those like soft rock bands, you know, like when I got older.
00:39:03
Speaker
Um, but I feel like, I feel like my music taste has gotten only a little bit heavier than, than what it used to be. Cause, um, Yeah, I mean, now now I'm listening to, i mean, i I do not listen to grindcore. Okay, I'll say grindcore, black metal, things like that. Like, that's too that's too tough for me, is is what I'll put it. Like, that that meat is too tough to chew for me.
00:39:28
Speaker
um And i respect pete I respect the fuck out of people who love that music. It's just that's that and country are probably my two note like areas that I just can't really get into. i will listen to it and appreciate it for what it is as a musician um but as a listener just can't get there but so are you listening like like prog rock or like prog metal shit like that um i'm picky with it so like periphery is a really great example of progressive like progressive post hardcore that i or like progressive metalcore that i'll listen to um it's very like genti um but it's very melodic still um
00:40:03
Speaker
And melodic in the sense of like there's vocals that scream but also sing. Like I love when there's both. I love the dynamic of having both. um The guitar doesn't have to do all the melody.
00:40:15
Speaker
I think that's the big thing for me. It's cool when it does, but it doesn't have to do it at all, if that makes sense. Well, you're like really into Sleep Token right now, aren't you? I've been for a while. Let's talk about Sleep Token.
00:40:27
Speaker
No, let's not because I can't. You can talk about it. I'm very excited for the new record. um i will probably force Lenny to sit here for a half hour in silence for one episode where I will just carry the weight. I will just carry the baton and just talk sleep token the whole time.
00:40:43
Speaker
and and And Lenny, you're just going to have to be like, cool. And that's the end of the episode. Well, listen, it's not that I don't like sleep token because i just some of what I've heard. It's just like it's too much for me.
00:41:02
Speaker
but But don't get me wrong, like there's like I've heard like snippets and and like clips on TikTok that are like you know backed or that it just like backing music to like something else that sounds really good.
00:41:15
Speaker
um yeah So it's not that there's and that there's nothing there I could listen to, but I also don't have... like I just and currently don't have the capacity to... like give it the attention it deserves.
00:41:29
Speaker
See, and i and i think I think that's part of music IQ is like when you can understand why it's someone else, why it's not someone else's cup of tea. Now, there are certain artists that I will not budge on. And if you don't like them, I think you're fucking stupid.
00:41:42
Speaker
But Sleep Token, if you if it's not your thing, like i I might ask, like what have you listened to? so that that like formed that opinion. yeah um But ultimately, I will probably let it go. And and I will respect that and we probably don't listen to the same types of rock. And that's okay.
Universal Appeal of Certain Bands
00:42:00
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Okay. So
00:42:03
Speaker
now that you've said it, what are you who are you not budging on? Linkin Park. is that is there Are there more than that? and Oh, yeah. A hundred percent.
00:42:16
Speaker
But okay if you if there if if you listen, like there's and and let me be more specific. There is a there is at least one song for everybody. And I will find that like I will find I will meet someone and I will find your fucking song that you're like, OK, listen to that song.
00:42:32
Speaker
um I'm not saying you have to love their whole like discography, but like there's one song that i will there's at least one song that I will find for you that I know you'll love. ah and And if you don't, then you're just you're just in fucking denial. so Okay, so it how many would how many immovables are there, in your opinion?
00:42:55
Speaker
Within the last 20 years, maybe a dozen tops. All right. Give me like your top four. Well, okay. Top three outside of Lincoln Park. Outside of Lincoln Park. you want three others?
00:43:05
Speaker
Yeah. um Green Day.
00:43:10
Speaker
Blake 182. And...
00:43:17
Speaker
Fall Out Boy. Foo Fighters or Fall Out Boy. I think both of those bands have something for everybody, no matter what you listen to. Okay. I mean, it's a it's those bands that transcend genres, just like how you heard in the end on 92.5.
00:43:32
Speaker
That's probably one of the like that and numb were probably the only two Linkin Park songs that ever got played on that radio frequency. But they were well-deserved and they fucking belonged there because they transcended genres and they transcended like groups of people who listen to the songs. like I think Blink-182 has that kind of shit. Foo Fighters said that kind of shit. like I'm not saying like these are the greatest bands of all time. I'm saying these are bands that have something for everybody. Don't confuse the two.
00:43:56
Speaker
Can I... I know this is the first episode and I'm going my... want to start a fight already? Yeah, I do, actually. All right, go for it.
Band Critiques and Discoveries
00:44:07
Speaker
It's about Blink-182. Ooh, okay. link it's I'm not trying to say that they aren't a good, but I hate Tom's voice.
00:44:19
Speaker
I cannot stand his singing. It's so bad to me.
00:44:29
Speaker
it's It's so whiny. and It's the tone. Yeah, it's the tone. Okay, okay. um So again, i can see why you think that.
00:44:41
Speaker
but But again, here' here's where I'm going to counter with you, though. where I'm going counter with you. and And I like this dialogue. There are songs that Mark only sings. And so that is why they are a band that is something for everybody. If you don't fucking like Tom DeLonge's voice, there's fucking matt there's there's Matt Skiba era, right? From Alkaline Trio when they were on app pause.
00:45:02
Speaker
That's a whole fight in and of its own. okay No, no. I liked that record. There's two records. Two records. and Okay, well. That's right. California. Duh. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
00:45:13
Speaker
But what I'm saying is, or no, there was no California. And what was the other one? Nine. 999 yeah yeah California was a lot better okay but what I'm saying is is there's you essentially have a band at some point they they went through era with another singer but then there was always either Tom or Mark singing and there were certain songs that only Tom or only Mark sang so you didn didn't like Tom just listen to the Matt Skiba stuff or just listen to the Mark stuff you'll find something you like I guarantee it oh for sure no i just thought we were starting to fight there yeah you go fuck yourself i'll fight about fighting how about that no i wasn't trying to fight you i just wanted you had your own hot take earlier so i wanted to have i wanted to have my own hot take too
00:45:56
Speaker
there it is okay uh last question and the pack that i have for you lenny what's the most interesting band to premiere as of the last few years
00:46:07
Speaker
most interesting to premiere. and And I'd say like that last few years, like I mean that loosely like like you you could do last 10. I don't care. o I just wanted to freeze it in a way you didn't say alkaline trio.
00:46:20
Speaker
No, I wouldn't say that um because like as much as I love alkaline trio, um I don't like the alkaline trio fan base.
00:46:31
Speaker
um i think there are I think a lot of people in the fan base are like really cringe. um
00:46:40
Speaker
Interesting. That's really hard. um Because like you know going back to to the intro... like I am pretty static in what I like. So like branching out and finding new stuff is really difficult for me. Um, I really like, um, uh, let me, hold on. I have to, I have to look it up because I can't remember it off the top my head.
00:47:07
Speaker
um where is it? Where are you?
00:47:13
Speaker
where is it
00:47:17
Speaker
where are you
00:47:22
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Okay. um There we have our first TikTok clip.
00:47:28
Speaker
ah It is... I could find Dayseeker, I think. Okay. okay I think that's a really... I love that choice, but go ahead.
00:47:41
Speaker
I... Well, you know, you showed them to me. um What, like last year sometime? and It really it feels like a mix of and I told you this at the time to like on I think discord or something that are really reminds me of a really old ah at well now it's really old um musical project called Weaver at the Loom. Which don't know if you showed me that or if Matt showed me that.
00:48:13
Speaker
Um, so it's it's like, it's a mix of that plus like, you know, a harder, you know, something that's harder. Um, and it, did you know, it scratched an itch for me that I didn't remember needed itching.
00:48:31
Speaker
Cause after I heard that, like, um, I went back and like re-listened to like some Weaver at the Loom. So interesting. Okay.
00:48:45
Speaker
Alright, so give me yours. I never made that connection, actually. i never made that connection between the two, but I see it. yeah i definitely see it. um so there's a I want to answer it this way, because i because I don't want Lenny to hate me for my pick. but Is it Sleep Token?
00:49:04
Speaker
There are a few bands that it sleeped i that Let me put it this way. There are a few bands that I would definitely pick. But they don't fall into the category of last few years.
00:49:17
Speaker
I will ramble them off so I don't seem like some biased bitch who only listens to to Sleep Token. They are as follows. um Spirit Box, Dayseeker, 21 Pilots, Chaparone.
00:49:35
Speaker
God, there's others I'm going to leave out and I'm going to kick myself for. But... um Yeah, I mean, I'm just going to say it. like Sleep Token is just it's just different.
00:49:45
Speaker
it's just it's so It's so fucking different um to where you know they have their own lore. And and a lot of bands have lore, right? But it's like the way that... And and and a lot of bands are cryptic. Like 21 Pilots, you want to talk a band about a band that like thrives on being cryptic? Like, holy fucking shit.
00:50:07
Speaker
um And I mean, that again, complimentary. um but sleep token is just so like the dynamics just pull you in so many different directions. They do so many different things like vessel fucking raps and a couple of tracks.
00:50:20
Speaker
Um, the identity thing, like whatever, like that doesn't do anything for me. I understand some people like it or something like it does something for some people. Um, like, like, you know, like slip knot, like those types of bands. Like I don't, I don't care one way or another. if like, like bands who do that.
00:50:35
Speaker
Um, I think it's cool when they were like, when they like go on tour and they're like, come and worship. Like, like I don't think that's sacrilegious. like i'm a fucking like I'm Catholic, and I don't think that's like i don't get like offended by that. i Some people might think it's weird, but like I don't think there's a problem with it.
00:50:50
Speaker
um But I just think it's cool. like they just They have their own thing. I wish there was a better way to explain it. Like when they're like, come and worship, like, ah like, like, cause it's like, they're talking about like a, like a, like a deity that like represents like sleep. And I just, and it's, um it's just unique to me and the dynamic and, and the vocals and the guitar work is amazing.
00:51:11
Speaker
Their drummer is in fucking credible. um One drumeo's like drummer of the year ah last year, or two years ago, Um, and I don't know what it is about fucking drummers with like gospel inspiration, but any, any drummer who says they have gospel inspiration ends up being like one of the like most intricate and like technical drummers to like come onto the rock scene.
00:51:34
Speaker
And it's just fucking hilarious to me. um Like in in a good way. Again, i keep having to say that because I'm not trying to piss anybody off, but it's just so much different. Like it's just so different from anything I've heard in such a long time. So that's that's why they're so interesting to me.
00:51:51
Speaker
Can't wait to go see them live someday eventually. I gotta say, ah not unexpected. Not an unexpected pick from you. And I don't mean that in like a ah facetious way or to talk down to you. um But, you know, it was very obvious.
00:52:08
Speaker
You did make me feel like I had to throw the honor of my mention so people knew where my brain was at, though, at least.
Future Episode Formats
00:52:15
Speaker
Well... K-Dawg, I think we're at the point where I think i think it's time to wrap up. We've been going for a little bit. What do you think? Or do you want to keep rocking it? Yeah, no, we can wrap up. the only The only other thing I wanted to cover was, like, i do you want to get a quick rundown of, like, different episode types that you, that you like, want to, ah that that the audience might be able to expect from us, like, in the first, you know, a few months here?
00:52:38
Speaker
Yeah. that's it So, I mean, like, there's really only one that, I mean,
00:52:43
Speaker
Fuck, ill just we can just talk about the the three of them. So um coming up in you know the coming months, we've got a couple different forms. we say formats that we're, that we're going to explore on. So, um, up first is what we call a deep dive. So an artist deep dive, where we just go over like one artist or band or something and just their history, their discography, um, impact on pop culture or musical culture in general, et cetera.
00:53:13
Speaker
ah and ourselves. Yeah. And ourselves. Well, you know, impact. Anyways. Um, and I think, uh, yeah, yeah,
00:53:24
Speaker
So what what are we going to first? Linkin Park, right? that where we're Is that where we we've got teed up? Oh, I mean, yeah, we we can go there if you want. I more so just meant like like the like the different types of episodes, like not necessarily like the content itself, but I'll do Linkin Park next.
00:53:38
Speaker
We'll do Linkin Park. I don't care. Yeah, I mean, I think it's i think it's only fitting. Next month, Linkin Park. Yeah.
00:53:46
Speaker
Um... Then we've got something we call ah asparagus. or ah Or do we do we that you can cut this out. We got a spirit. Let's call it asparagus because I fucking out this race ah hate asparagus.
00:54:00
Speaker
Anyways, we call we call these episodes asparagus because we're going to talk about um artists or genres that either but that either we don't like or assume that we don't like. So, for example, Cowboy Carter.
00:54:12
Speaker
Cowboy Carter would be would be an episode for asparagus. um And then one of the other... um episode ideas that I that i came up with with Kevin is something I like to call anime bangers and that's because it actually came from like a playlist I have um and we're we're just going to talk about like you know anime openings or intros or outros um that we just really like um and I think that we have a whole bunch of them
Exploring Anime Music
00:54:46
Speaker
Yeah. Um, you know, we're in a time in, um, in pop culture and music where, um, it's re you know, these tracks are really relevant to a lot of people and, ah generate crazy amounts of hype.
00:55:03
Speaker
Um, And something that people look forward to you know, week after week, you know, a really just as a quick example of that, like um specials by King new was crazy all over the place. We know when JJK season two came out.
00:55:21
Speaker
um So, you know, expect for us to talk about things like that.
00:55:27
Speaker
Facts. Facts. Straight facts. um Yeah. The other thing I wanted to mention is we have a we have a rolling ah YouTube playlist that we're going to update here and and have on our links.
Top Music Choices and Social Media Promotion
00:55:38
Speaker
Basically, we call it like our our our cuts top 10. I chose five tracks. Lenny chose five tracks. um We'll probably change some things out every once in a while. But it's basically if I was only able to show you five songs of what I was listening to right now, this is what they would be. And then Lenny chose five as well.
00:55:54
Speaker
um We'll update update them at random, things like that. So just make sure you're always constantly checking it out because it could change. And we wouldn't want you to miss something you don't like. And Lenny won't make me do a hundred song playlist. So we have to keep it a 10 and this is how we do it.
00:56:06
Speaker
All right. So Kevin, let's let's, as of recording this episode, what are the cuts top 10? Oh, ah you know what? That's a great way to do this. Okay. You get your list up. I'll get mine. Cause I didn't add yours the YouTube list yet. Don't hate me.
00:56:23
Speaker
How dare you? How dare you? Yes, I know. Yeah, go for it. Alright, so do you want to alternate or do you just want to go... ah let's alternate. That's fun. yeah yeah That sounds Alright, first and my my first of five is Demon in Division by Alkalindria.
00:56:50
Speaker
My first one is going to be If It Doesn't Hurt by Nothing More. Up next, I've got In Bloom by Nekdi. You mean Nirvana?
00:57:01
Speaker
Nope. That was a joke. Sorry. was a really bad joke. I apologize. Look, just because I live in the Seattle area does not mean I love Nirvana, okay? Ooh, that's going to be a good hot take for a future episode. It definitely will be. Me by Dayseeker.
00:57:20
Speaker
All right. Coming in for my third pick, Unaccompanied Cello Suite No. 1 in G Minor, Johann Sebastian Bach. And at the completely end of the volume spectrum, Circle With Me by Spiritbox.
00:57:35
Speaker
Coming up next, I've got Abracadabra by Lady Gaga. And going from America all the way to Japan, we have Dystopia by 1OK Rock. And my last but certainly not like yeast.
00:57:49
Speaker
Yeast! It rises. That's why it's not last, because it rises. oh and We have our second TikTok. ah There we go. Last but certainly not least is Not Like Us by Kendrick Lamar.
00:58:07
Speaker
hey uh and for me you know i gotta throw a lincoln park track on there uh for me it's it's it's gotta be it's gotta be up from the bottom uh the new one that's coming out on the the new track that's a part of the deluxe version of ah the album from zero that comes out may 16th so um make sure you check out all those songs give them a listen give them a download add them to your favorite playlist or music uh listening library whatever you choose spotify or uh, Apple music, or if you're some weird person who uses Amazon music or Pandora, I guess, do your thing. So.
00:58:42
Speaker
Okay. right. Well, Kevin, play us out. So many times that I feel like I say something, this is going to be like a recurring theme that we're, I'm going to say something then it's just kind of be like, okay, Kevin fucking said that.
00:58:54
Speaker
That's not what I was, that's not what that was meant to be. No, but that's what your face says. Hey, drop us a like on our socials. We are going to start out on YouTube and Tik TOK and threads and Instagram. I think that's what we said. We're not probably not going to expand anywhere else just yet. We're going to kind of stay controlled in an area where we can be like, we can manage everything. So.
00:59:13
Speaker
um Get at us on there. ah Check out the YouTube playlist. um New episodes monthly on your favorite listening platform. So Spotify, Apple Podcasts. um I forget the other ones, but there's there's a list and I have them ready to go on there as well.
00:59:28
Speaker
So tell your friends about us. ah Reach out to us if you have any questions or comments. you know yeah yeah Any ideas, things you want to see too, we're open to that. so Until then, we'll see you guys next month.
00:59:40
Speaker
And...
00:59:43
Speaker
We hope you're looking forward to this podcast and this project as much as we have been for the last year and a half that Laney and I have been talking about doing it. Have good time. All right, folks.
00:59:54
Speaker
Take care. Have a good one. See you later. Love babes.