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Inexpensive and Full of Agency
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Tristan and Miles talk about JSN’s record-breaking extension, the continuity at the bottom of the Seahawks’ roster, and boldly ask the question: what is free about free agency?
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The Concept of 'Free Agency' in Modern Context
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Tristan Amundson
Miles, they call it free agency, but I'm looking at some of these prices and it doesn't seem free at all to me. Add inflation to it. I don't get the name.
00:00:13
Tristan Amundson
Maybe you can help me with this, Miles. What's going on in free agency? Why do we call it this? What's what's the deal, my friend?
00:00:21
M dub
Tristan, it's great to be with you. And I think it's called free agency because you and i are free to talk as much football as we want during this springtime when there are no games being played. We are still free to chit chat to our heart's content about these Seahawks.
00:00:38
M dub
Who are they signing? Who are they not signing? What does this? What's that? That contract, the guarantee, that that we're free to go to our heart's content. And i'm I'm glad to be here with you.
00:00:47
Tristan Amundson
It's our agency that is the subject. Okay, I didn't understand that. This is really all about us and and our own agency in in the process to move around how we want.
00:00:52
M dub
Yeah. Yeah.
00:00:58
Tristan Amundson
Okay, that's super, super
Impact of Jackson Smith-Njigba's Record Contract
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Tristan Amundson
helpful. Now let's talk some money.
00:01:03
M dub
Let's talk about some money. yeah yes Trista, there have been um a lot of... It's crazy to think about... um John Schneider. Yeah, he's the general manager of the Seahawks.
00:01:17
M dub
I did take a moment just in the middle of all these news stories to just kind of think about the responsibility he has, which is an interesting one. He's a well-paid man with the Seahawks. He's certainly well compensated for his role.
00:01:32
M dub
And yet, his job is to cut checks that are significantly bigger than the ones coming into into his own bank account. It's kind of an odd situation.
00:01:42
M dub
And Tristan, none of them are bigger than the contract that the Seahawks have agreed to in just the last few days here in the Dying Embers of free agency with a wide receiver named Jackson Smith in Jigba.
00:01:56
M dub
Tristan, there's a lot going on here. ah for First, ah Jackson Smith and Jigba has completed three years of football with the Seahawks. So next year, this year, 2026, is the fourth year of his rookie deal.
00:02:10
M dub
Stage one, the team exercised his fifth year option as a first round draft pick. That's for the 2027 season. is worth $23.8 million. that is worth twenty three point eight million dollars but then,
00:02:22
M dub
About a day later, the team agrees with him on a contract that will start in the year 2028.
00:02:27
Tristan Amundson
Okay.
00:02:28
M dub
That goes for four years and $168.8 million. dollars It is the largest contract ever given to a wide receiver.
00:02:39
M dub
It comes with a significant proportion of guarantees. And Tristan, you are a gigantic fan of this contract. Let's hear about it.
00:02:47
Tristan Amundson
I really am, man. i you know, when I look at this contract and this is the, the culture that we live in a lot of hyperbole, we, we see the big numbers, right? The big numbers are the numbers that, um, our, our Twitter friends like to, uh, uh,
00:03:05
Tristan Amundson
present first and foremost. 42 million, right? 43 million average, highest deal in NFL history for a wide receiver, yada,
Financial Strategy and Implications for the Seahawks
00:03:17
Tristan Amundson
yada. yada And that's where it ends. you know that That first ah article by Adam Schefter, it really just focuses on the money of the four-year deal. And it it doesn't take into account really what this the the the point of this deal right i mean you guess the the way you could argue this is well if if this is all just new money then why wouldn't the seahawks wait until the last minute to do this extension what what is the value of the seahawks doing this today versus two years from now because this contract doesn't even start for two years
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M dub
you
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Tristan Amundson
um And that's where inflation and that's where um the salary cap going up every year really plays into the Seahawks favor. And that's to me what really makes this a sweetheart deal for JSN and and really on behalf of JSN. He's he's doing us a favor, um which is crazy to talk about because or crazy to say because, man, he just signed, quote unquote, the largest deal in NFL history for a wide receiver, which is true.
00:04:21
Tristan Amundson
except that he's really signing this two years in advance, um which is a pretty wild thing to do. Why would he do that? Well, he's getting security, right? He is getting guaranteed money locked in and he is securing his future going forward. I looked at this. You might have this number handy miles. I looked at it a couple of days ago.
00:04:43
Tristan Amundson
I'm going to get this pretty doggone close, if not exactly right, which is JSN um was set, is set in his rookie contract that last year that you mentioned of his four-year um contract before the fifth-year option to make $2.3 million. dollars
00:04:59
M dub
you
00:04:59
Tristan Amundson
um You have to include that into um the the calculus when you look at this four-year extension. So next year, he'll be making $2.3 million.
00:05:13
Tristan Amundson
That contract is set. That's, that's, that's what he's going to make. The year after that, he's going to make about 25, 23 million on that fifth year option. And then we go into, you know, the highest paid extension in in NFL history, starting as you mentioned in 2028. And so you really have to look at those numbers and,
00:05:37
Tristan Amundson
through a lens of the entire six years. It's a lot like in baseball, buying arbitration years off of a player. um That's essentially what the Seahawks have done. they're They're buying out these years by giving him the contract now. And now obviously, you know, the way it hits JSN's bank account, I'm sure he's getting a ah signing bonus and all of that good stuff. And I'm sure that his tax bill is going to be much higher in the year 2026 than then 2.3 mil that he's going to make off of that base salary. But no matter how you slice it, there's only so much money to be spread throughout the entire course of the contract. Meaning that as you and I looked at it, he's really making an average of $32.6 million over the course of six years when you when you put all the numbers together.
00:05:37
M dub
you
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Tristan Amundson
That's an unbelievable deal for the Seahawks, man. I mean, if if you look at it from that perspective, $32.6 spread over six years. That's really, really good. um It's a really a hometown discount. Call whatever you want. The JSN is giving us long term. He's rewarding the Seahawks for locking him up. The Seahawks are rewarding him for all of the work that he's already done and giving him a massive pay raise.
00:06:57
Tristan Amundson
I think this is the perfect example of everybody's happy. Everybody
Seahawks' Draft Strategy and Key Player Acquisitions
00:07:02
Tristan Amundson
wins. um I could not be happier with this contract. How do you feel about man?
00:07:08
M dub
I think you're right that that everybody's happy. And I was trying to figure out, okay, what is what is the reason that JSN is agreeing to this contract now when it does start you know so far into the future?
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Tristan Amundson
Thank you.
00:07:20
M dub
And you mentioned a signing bonus in there. I think it does come down to the signing bonus. You mentioned the fourth year of his rookie deal. It's obviously very small in terms of NFL money.
00:07:32
M dub
Today, or you know this week, when this contract was signed, JSN does get a $35 million dollars signing bonus as part of this contract. So that's you know the that's kind of... i don't think he's ever really going to... I think that's a step into like full life-changing money. you know And you kind of take that step one time.
00:07:53
M dub
And that's this week for JSN. So a $35 million dollars signing bonus. And what happens then is ah you might notice that JSN this year, he's got a cap hit of about $10 million dollars on the Seahawks cap sheet.
00:08:09
M dub
And that comes because this $35 million dollars signing bonus is split up $7 million dollars at a time across the next five years. ah That's what SpotTrack has. Seems a little odd to me that like the cap hit from the signing bonus comes on the Seahawks cap sheet this year and next year like before the deal kicks in, but that's what they have. that That's why that's why the the that that accounts for the majority of his $10-ish million dollar cap hit and...
00:08:38
M dub
That's why JSN agrees to this deal. What I was thinking about is there's just a lot of strategic long-term planning that went into being able to make this moment possible.
00:08:52
M dub
And I think it starts last year when it felt like DK Metcalf had a number he wanted to be paid. I think John Schneider had a number in mind that he was willing to pay DK Metcalf And they were separate numbers and they agreed to one of the more amicable trades you'll see.
00:09:11
M dub
And this deal cannot happen if the Seahawks have DK Metcalf signed to the same contract he's playing under. with the Steelers. It just can't happen. And so I think this is just an example of great GMing and that sometimes the moves you don't make really are so important. And, and, and every, you know, the Seahawks were not really big players in free agency this year. We'll talk about it. They haven't signed any big name veterans across the NFL over the entire two weeks.
00:09:41
M dub
But it it allows a deal like this to be possible. a player who's on a potential Hall of Fame track, potentially, you know to have his his entire 20s on your team, you you really have to plan for this for a long time.
00:09:56
M dub
And so, yeah, I do agree that... um ah Yeah, I was thinking on it more from how John Schneider and the team, they've really prepared for this for a long time. This doesn't just come out of nowhere as it feels like in the news cycle.
00:10:11
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, it's ah the DK Metcalf angle is really important and interesting with this story, because to your point, you can't have both. Right. And DK Metcalf is a great wide receiver.
00:10:21
Tristan Amundson
And so just like so many things in life, you have to walk away from something good to get the next thing that's really good. You can't have both things. And, you know, what a.
00:10:34
Tristan Amundson
What a lesson in in discipline, I guess, to that John was able to do this. and and And also an interesting angle that we'll never fully know, I don't think, is like, I know DK, it seemed like he wanted out the door. It's hard to know how much John wanted to keep DK. I remember at the time, John saying like, no, we really like DK. We would have liked to keep him, but he wanted to go. So we we helped him out. And I think that basically the same thing was true of Gino too.
00:11:02
Tristan Amundson
And so it does make you wonder, doesn't it? It's like how much of this was by design and how much of this was kind of i don't know if luck's the right word, maybe just being flexible from John Schneider's perspective to say, okay man, if you want to leave, like I can work with that and You know, maybe John would have been just as happy keeping DK and keeping Gino on the team. That's kind of what he um what he said.
00:11:28
Tristan Amundson
or or maybe he was really very happy to let those guys go. I guess it's kind of hard to know the devil's in the details of of how that stuff works out. um From a fan's perspective, though, it's worked out unbelievably well, right? We we got the prime years of DK Metcalf.
00:11:45
Tristan Amundson
um now that he's about to go into his decline in his third year deal. And as he gets older, um we've moved on from DK.
00:11:51
M dub
you
00:11:53
Tristan Amundson
so we got the best years of DK and, and you know, paid him handsomely. and And now he's moved on to the Steelers. And now kind of on repeat, we're getting the best years of JSN. i What I'm struck by this deal is,
00:12:06
Tristan Amundson
is that this locks up JSN through his year 29 season. So you get JSN's twenties. Um, that's what he's agreeing to agreeing to.
00:12:17
Tristan Amundson
And, and really what that, what that amounts to is that we have prime Jackson Smith and Jigba, which is an unbelievable thing for a Seahawks fan to be able to have, um, and be able to enjoy. And, uh, we're, we're lucky he's ours and, you know, and, and we're his and, and here we go.
00:12:34
Tristan Amundson
um pretty Pretty cool to get this second contract. I'm a big believer in it, Miles, that the contracts you want in the NFL, you want that rookie deal and you want that second deal. And then every deal after that, you're kind of rolling the dice. But but these are really the prime years of ah of an athlete to to be able to lock up. And man, it it feels pretty good to know six years of Jackson Smith and Jigba.
00:13:00
Tristan Amundson
He's still in the ascent, man. I mean, like last year was his breakout year and he's locked in now for the next six. It's unbelievable.
00:13:11
M dub
I don't know if it's possible for the Seahawks to kind of get their calculus, to get this many levels of calculus going on a contract. But this did make me think about our division rival, Los Angeles Rams and Puka Nakua.
00:13:27
M dub
Part of the Puka Nakua story was he was a late round draft pick who came out of nowhere. So that means he's not eligible for a fifth year option. And that means he's scheduled to be a free agent, unrestricted free agent, at this time next year.
00:13:43
M dub
So it it made a really big difference for for the Seahawks to draft JSN in the first round. It creates that option, that fifth-year option, and it just kind of that year of extra padding.
00:13:56
M dub
And I think this deal creates a tremendous amount of pressure on the Rams. It puts a lot of leverage and po in Puka Nakua's hands. Tristan, you and I both love Jackson Smith and Jigba.
00:14:07
M dub
Nakua hit the ground running in his rookie year a lot harder than JSN did. And believe it or not, niku is that these players have both been in the NFL only three years.
00:14:18
M dub
Nakua's career yards per game is about 25 more higher than Jackson Smith and Jigba in just three years. That all came down to to mostly the first year and a little bit the second year.
00:14:32
M dub
And even though JSN had the advantage in yardage in the third year, Puka Nakua stars the career average 25 yards per game higher. Nakua is number one all time.
00:14:42
M dub
in NFL history, at career yards per game. I think he's, I think he is going to get a deal even bigger this than this one, just just with his timing of hitting unrestricted free agency one year earlier.
00:14:55
M dub
And I think that could be a deal so big it it really hurts, either the Rams or hopefully it ends up being another team and he's not in the division anymore. i don't know what you think about that.
00:15:06
Tristan Amundson
No, it's a great point, man. And it's, it'll be really interesting to see how that goes. I hadn't thought about the fact that there's no fifth year option for him. So it does, it does show the incredible value of getting a first round pick and, and, and getting your first round picks, right? Because it does give you a great advantage from a GM perspective. um Keep in mind also, I mean, it's kind of crazy. These two teams,
00:15:32
Tristan Amundson
They just signed Trent McDuffie, right? they They traded for McDuffie and have him in tow now. And he is currently the highest paid cornerback in NFL history, right? So it's weird to think that you got these two teams that are kind of in an arms race with the exact same two positions, um as we'll be hopefully doing the exact same thing with Witherspoon here pretty soon.
00:15:59
Tristan Amundson
And and so, I mean, that's kind of another interesting angle, um you know, when this season starts and, you know, most likely the Rams are going to have, you know, number one or number two highest paid wide receiver and the number one or number two highest paid cornerback.
00:16:09
M dub
you
00:16:17
Tristan Amundson
And the Seahawks will have the exact same thing, which is just crazy. I don't as if these teams needed any more storylines and and kind of arms race between the two of them. um It just goes to show what an incredible and difficult rivalry this is going to continue to be for years to come.
Long-term Impact of Draft Choices
00:16:36
M dub
It's crazy how hard it is. And we know Matthew Stafford's back in 2026. I'm hoping that once he retires, this era of the Rams is over. But, you know, obviously you never know. And the Rams didn't start being great under Sean McVay with Matthew Stafford. I think it's worth mentioning that at the same time, the Seahawks extended the fifth-year option to Jackson Smith and Jigba. They did do the same to Devin Witherspoon.
00:17:02
M dub
It sounds like, as you're you're kind of hinting at, that Devin Witherspoon's long-term contract is going to be coming. I wouldn't be surprised to see that news any day.
00:17:13
M dub
And what a draft by John Schneider in 2023 to have two first-round picks and come away with Devin Witherspoon and Jackson Smith and Jigba.
00:17:26
M dub
It can't be done any better than that.
00:17:29
Tristan Amundson
Yeah. And I listen, no one will be surprised when I bring up Byron Murphy right now. But when I think of again, that like all of those draft picks coming together, the way they have to get Witherspoon at the number five pick in the draft to get JSN in the twenties, that, that same draft.
00:17:51
Tristan Amundson
And then to have Byron Murphy fall to, i think it was 16 the year after And to hit on all of those, because I just I'll never forget. And I've thought this the second they drafted Witherspoon. I was like, man, you really he really has to hit. He has to be an unbelievably good player because you probably should have taken a defensive tackle. You probably should have thought about taking Jalen Carter with that pick.
00:18:17
Tristan Amundson
And the fact that the very next year they they get their guy in the middle in Byron Murphy, to me, Witherspoon and Murphy will always be connected um because of the importance of both of those positions and the fact that it it worked out.
00:18:32
Tristan Amundson
Again, listen, man, we're so lucky to have John Schneider. I mean... This is a master class. It really is. It continues to be.
00:18:40
M dub
Thank you.
00:18:40
Tristan Amundson
And we're not even talking about Zabel the year after, right? I mean, it's just unbelievable um stacking these great players in key positions. um So the Seahawks are going to be good for a long time.
Reek Wollin's Departure and Team Dynamics
00:18:52
Tristan Amundson
um It's going to be fun to see this. And I have no hesitation. It's like you can sign Spoon now. um We can just kind of keep this thing moving.
00:19:02
M dub
Yeah, I feel the same way. I think the the price for Witherspoon will be close to record setting, but I think it'll be a lot like this deal where it where it's win-win on both sides and and moving ahead of time.
00:19:06
Tristan Amundson
Thank you.
00:19:17
M dub
Part of the formula here, though, Tristan, is John does let players walk out the door. You can't give above market money to everybody. It's against the rules in the NFL.
00:19:29
M dub
There is the salary cap, so people do leave. Last time I was talking about K-9, Kobe Bryant, and Boye Mafé all left the Seahawks for larger contracts.
00:19:40
M dub
Since then, another player, another starting level player, leaving for starting level money. It's Reek Wolin, cornerback, leaving for the Philadelphia Eagles, getting a very interesting contract shape here.
00:19:54
M dub
One year, $12 million. dollars So one year says it's a prove-it deal. It says nobody in the NFL was willing to ride with Woland for the long term. $12 million dollars is pretty big for a prove-it deal, though.
00:20:08
M dub
And that is big enough that the Seahawks will get a compensatory fifth round pick out of the deal. Tristan, I had a lot of emotions when I saw this move come up. I'm interested what you thought about Reek Wollin.
00:20:23
M dub
We were up, we were down. Reek Wollin, four years with the Seahawks. A fifth round pick. Another draft success story. Objectively, when you look at it, what do you think about this?
00:20:36
Tristan Amundson
Man, I got to say, i I'm sure most everyone in the Seahawks world feels the same way about Rick Wolland, which is man, he's such a cool, talented player.
00:20:47
Tristan Amundson
He is fun to watch. We've seen him do spectacular things. um He's so fast. I mean, his makeup speed is unbelievable. Those long arms.
00:20:59
Tristan Amundson
There's so much to love about Rick. And then, you know, I mean, listen, i would say this to his face. Like then he suddenly just does something stupid on the field and you just kind of shake your head.
00:21:11
Tristan Amundson
and it did feel throughout this year as though he was not going to be the the kind of guy the Seahawks wanted on the team long term, that he was going to be a hard guy, i think, for even coach to deal with just because like, dude, you got all the talent in the world and you keep doing dumb things from time to time. And like,
00:21:30
Tristan Amundson
the The clock should have gone off in your head to stop doing dumb things by now. And and you you haven't. um And so I think it's bittersweet. I, like you, felt a major sense of relief that um that he signed elsewhere.
00:21:48
Tristan Amundson
i love the fact that that's good enough for a fifth round comp pick um in next year's draft. I think that's incredible. um And I'll say this, though. Like, He helped us win a lot of games.
00:22:01
Tristan Amundson
I feel very strongly about this with Arik Wolland. It's a shake your hand. Thank you very much for your service. Thank you very much for all of the great play. You helped us win. You helped us win a lot of games.
00:22:16
Tristan Amundson
Like best of luck to you, man. Best, absolutely best of luck to you. You were a great Seahawk. You you helped us out. You're not going to be the right fit here moving forward, but like I'm happy he got a good deal, and I hope that he has a good career. I don't know if that's... I'm assuming you feel about the same way.
00:22:36
M dub
I do feel the same way. Trista, when I saw this news come in, I immediately thought back to our glorious day in the sun, literally and figuratively.
00:22:48
M dub
in downtown Seattle, and we saw one of America's major cities in harmony, almost literally linking hands in a in a great big kumbaya. It was one of the most harmonious places I've ever been, that parade, as we all celebrated the triumph of the Seahawks.
00:23:06
M dub
And I thought back to the NFC Championship game, and it almost all, that whole scene almost didn't happen because reek wall and taunted the rams bench in the middle of the nfc championship game i mean it literally almost didn't happen because of that and moments don't really get bigger in the nfl and and you're right he did help us win a lot of games and you know what reek wallen could make the next three pro bowls And it it just wasn't a fit here in Seattle. It just wasn't the right.
00:23:41
M dub
It just wasn't the right mixture. So here's hoping and he does make the next three Pro Bowls. I don't think there's any downside to this for John Schneider and the Seahawks letting him walk out the door is somehow.
00:23:53
M dub
It just wasn't a fit. You really felt he was just on a different page than literally the rest of the defense. And i don't think we ever quite got there, even after winning the Super Bowl, get to get back on the same page with with with a very unified and deep defensive unit. So, um yeah, I have never... Yeah, i feel I feel a sense of relief, and it's a very odd...
00:24:22
M dub
feeling to feel that but ah you just didn't know how free agency was gonna go if the Hawks really valued him are we gonna lock him up for three or four years so I think the one-year commitment across everybody in the NFL really really says a lot here
00:24:37
Tristan Amundson
It does. And I love exactly what you said. He could make the next three Pro Bowls and I would only be happy for him. You're totally right. It's just purely a fit thing. um And and yeah, that's it. I mean, enough said. I I love that you bring up the taunting thing because like so many moments in sports, right?
00:24:58
Tristan Amundson
If the Seahawks end up losing the game. That though that taunting penalty would be just seared into my brain for all time. And it would be a constant frustration.
00:25:10
Tristan Amundson
The fact that the Seahawks won the game. I have not thought about that taunting penalty in months or what i don't know, however long it's been. It's been a while. Like like I flushed it.
00:25:20
Tristan Amundson
Right. Because, hey, we won the game.
00:25:21
M dub
Yeah.
00:25:22
Tristan Amundson
We went to the Super Bowl, won Super Bowl. Who cares? It's crazy to think that like a mistake like that, it still happened. He still did it. um Yet like the fact that they won, it's like, okay, you can just flush that memory. It reminds me of the the catch that Jermaine curse made on the way down um to the end zone during the infamous Superbowl where, you know, the, the, the interception happened there at the goal line.
00:25:48
Tristan Amundson
We all forget about that beautiful catch Jermaine Curse made because the Seahawks didn't win. they you know they they the the The ball was intercepted a few plays later. The the game was over.
00:26:00
Tristan Amundson
um And kind of on the flip side, right? Like a really great play by a great player can be forgotten for all time because the end result isn't what we all wanted.
00:26:04
M dub
you
00:26:13
Tristan Amundson
even though the play happened and it was still an insane play like that catch Jermaine curse makes on the sideline during that drive is insane. It's one of the great moments when it happened in my sporting life. You're just like, this is incredible.
00:26:28
Tristan Amundson
And yet it's overshadowed by the interception. and then on the flip side, happy for very happy for reek that his mistake was completely overshadowed by a win.
00:26:41
M dub
Yeah, I'm happy for all the city of Seattle. I'd kind of forgotten about the goal line moment in that Super Bowl. I think if the Seahawks lose that NFC Championship game, which, you know, I mean, took every took it took the Seahawks' best effort to to get past the Rams, I think that play is is comparable to...
00:26:54
Tristan Amundson
Thank you.
00:27:03
M dub
you know, the Butler did it as far as like the worst moment in Seahawks history. I really do. It it really, it really wobbled the ground underneath everybody, but we got past it. We got done and, and Hey, everybody's happy now.
00:27:18
Tristan Amundson
Everybody's happy, man. No, everybody's happy. um Happy with with both of these moves, right? we We kept our kind of guy in JSN, a wide receiver that doesn't act like a wide receiver, right?
00:27:30
Tristan Amundson
um We moved on from a really good player, Enrique Wollin, a cornerback that I guess really acts...
00:27:39
M dub
you
00:27:39
Tristan Amundson
like a quarterback in, in, in some of the not great ways. um And, and hopefully to our point we can keep ah Witherspoon for a long time, who, if you want to talk about your kind of guy, like Witherspoon really does feel like, like your kind of guy. um If your coach McDonald and, and, you know, i think that's a deal they're going to get done.
00:28:03
Tristan Amundson
And I mean, no better example of it, right. Then that Rams game, where a lot was going against Witherspoon. He had gotten beat a couple of times. That was ah a rough game for him.
00:28:17
Tristan Amundson
And yet when we needed him the most, he came up with those two deflected passes at at the very end of the game. and And that won us the game, right?
00:28:27
Tristan Amundson
I mean, he was he was right there for that last deflection um to ah to stop the drive of the of the Rams. didn't Didn't look very pretty in that moment. And yet, Witherspoon was literally, in as we've talked about on this very podcast, in the small spoon position with that giant.
00:28:47
Tristan Amundson
I can't remember what tight end it was. Was that um Parkinson? I think it have been Colby. And he was right there, right in front of him, and was upset that he didn't get the interception.
Maintaining Team Stability and Continuity
00:28:57
Tristan Amundson
And and I think thought it was offensive pass interference, if I remember correctly.
00:29:00
M dub
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:01
Tristan Amundson
He's arguing with the refs.
00:29:01
M dub
Oh, gosh. Forgot about these moments.
00:29:04
Tristan Amundson
What a game. ah we should just watch it again. Yeah, what a great game.
00:29:08
M dub
I kind of don't remember that game almost. there is There's so much happening in the you know the Super Bowl. He had so much time to soak it in. But I haven't really revisited the NFC Championship game, which is an all-time classic. I mean, that's like that's a classic of football right there.
00:29:24
Tristan Amundson
One of one of the best, man. Well, the best. OK, so what what else we have going on in in all of this agency of these young men moving to different teams and really ah driving their own destiny, right? Controlling their agency, full agency.
00:29:38
M dub
Yes, they are controlling their agency. And Tristan, a lot of the players are controlling their agency to stay in Seattle. We've heard a lot from Coach Mack and John about... I like their new thing is to you know to say, like, oh, the 53-man, the 70-man roster. You know, it's not even the ready squad anymore. We're talking the full 70-man roster.
00:30:01
M dub
And... I think just really quickly here, we'll take a ah moment to to really be at the bottom of the roster. It doesn't sound as great, but it's the players who don't get as many snaps as the starters, don't get quite as much money.
00:30:16
M dub
The Seahawks in 2026 are bringing some really remarkable... continuity at that part of the roster. I think it shows they really understood they had a special unit in 2025. And that really means they're going to be one of the most continuous teams of all time, for lack of a better word, ah going from one year to the next. This is just not really possible normally at this stage in the NFL.
00:30:44
M dub
i'll I'll just roll down some of the guys who could have left the Seahawks and they didn't. They decided to sign back with the team and the team wanted to back. We have Jake Bobo. who almost left. The Jaguars signed him to a two-year offer sheet, but he was a restricted free agent.
00:31:00
M dub
The Seahawks had the opportunity to match, and they didn't. So Jake Bobo, who had like three or four catches last year, still valuable enough in all the other phases. He's on a two-year deal.
00:31:11
M dub
Josh Jones, the backup offensive lineman, subbed in at some crucial games at the end of the year with the injury to Charles Cross. Brandon Peely, the Alaskan Seahawk on the defensive line, is back.
00:31:23
M dub
Brady Russell, a two-year deal for Brady Russell on special teams. He always sticks out to me, Tristan, because the Seahawks picked him up from the Eagles practice squad at the same time we started this podcast. If he finishes this contract, he's on five years with the Seahawks.
00:31:40
M dub
Long snapper Chris Stoll, a two-year extension. Why not? Chaz Surratt, deep in the depth chart on special teams. Yes. Cody White, wide receiver, only a handful of catches all year.
00:31:51
M dub
Yes, they brought him back. Really, just about the only guy they didn't bring back was Derrick Young, wide receiver, special teamsman. And he gets picked up by Clint Kubiak as a Las Vegas Raider. So even some continuity there.
00:32:05
M dub
Tristan, that is a lot of continuity. Is there anybody you want to talk about or who stands out to you in terms of players the Seahawks have brought back?
00:32:13
Tristan Amundson
You know, I'll try to keep this quick. um They all make sense to me, but one. There's one that I was surprised at.
00:32:20
M dub
Oh, wow.
00:32:21
Tristan Amundson
Yeah. um But let me let me just try to break down really quickly. Jake Bobo. Yeah. multiple positions, right? so So Jake, obviously wide receiver, but also a big special teamer for us, does a lot of blocking in the running game. So, you know, I guess what I'm what i'm looking at with every single one of these players that I'm that i'm not surprised at is they all have um a lot of, they all have multiplicity in their roles. So Jake Bobo, special teams, wide receiver, does a lot of blocking in the run game.
00:32:58
Tristan Amundson
Josh Jones, he's a swing tackle, right? So he plays both the left and the right side. um Brady Russell, tight end, fullback, special teams, Maven.
00:33:10
Tristan Amundson
Chris Stoll, I guess that's ah that's a one-trick pony. Okay, fair enough. um Chaz Surratt, special teams, Cody White. And Chaz is a linebacker, correct, isn't he, Miles?
00:33:21
Tristan Amundson
ah i think I think he's a backup.
00:33:22
M dub
Yes.
00:33:23
Tristan Amundson
Okay, so backup linebacker, special teamer. Cody, um wide receiver, and a big special teamer as well. So all these guys, I'm seeing an investment in special teams. I'm seeing an investment in versatility.
00:33:38
Tristan Amundson
The only guy that I was a little surprised at, man, honestly, is Brandon Peely. um you know I suppose it's a
Special Teams Investment and New Signings
00:33:44
Tristan Amundson
fairly small deal. I just thought of all the defensive tackles we have, he's a guy that that seemed...
00:33:51
Tristan Amundson
dare I say replaceable. I hate to say that. I mean, he's like a real dude that, that like contributed and is you know a real person. um So I always feel weird saying stuff like that, but it seemed like that's a guy that, Hey, could you just draft another, you know, the next defensive tackle to be a rotating, you know, kind of piece big run stuffer kind of guy. um If, if they like him, then that's great. That was the one that stood out to me. That was a little surprised at.
00:34:18
M dub
What if i told what if i you know I dove deep into the Brandon Peely biography this year? A man...
00:34:25
Tristan Amundson
I remember like that northern city in Alaska, right?
00:34:28
M dub
Yeah, Barrow, Alaska.
00:34:28
Tristan Amundson
Like northern northern. Yeah, that's right.
00:34:30
M dub
ah that's That's the kind of trivia fact that It gets me up in the morning. But the reason I did that was in the the primetime game against the Commanders, he does force the fumble on special teams. Now, they they really only had him on that kickoff unit one or two games. They had Mike Morris in there pretty much every game.
00:34:49
M dub
But um they did have him on special teams, and he did cause that that fumble as part of the blowout.
00:34:53
Tristan Amundson
You're right.
00:34:55
M dub
So I wonder if... i wonder He had some health problems at the end of the year. I don't think he was able to play in the Super Bowl, which probably led to the the infamous Riley Mills sack.
00:35:06
M dub
But um I was thinking of that as a special teams investment as well.
00:35:10
Tristan Amundson
Interesting. I didn't, so I, shame on me. I forgot about that because I distinctly remember them asking the coaching staff ah after that forced fumble, Hey, are we, you know, are we going to see him more on special teams and,
00:35:26
Tristan Amundson
um In fact, I even remember Coach McDonald joking about like, yeah, this massive guy right in the middle of of kickoff, right? Like it's kind of a, it looks odd to have that giant defensive tackle out there. um And, you know, he was kind of joking that they had cracked the code. They had something no one else had.
00:35:43
Tristan Amundson
So that's it is interesting. So every single one of these guys really and really Josh Jones, too, because I'm sure he plays um when we're doing field goals and an extra point.
00:35:54
Tristan Amundson
So literally every single one of those guys is a special teams contributor, which is really interesting. I mean, i think then what it really shows you is a commitment that this team has to investing in special teams, which um was a really key part of this team success. And again, if we look at our our chief rival,
00:36:18
Tristan Amundson
it was a major part of the Rams downfall, like their a lack of investment and into special teams. And you you look at that, that's a lot of dudes that are kid contributors on the special team. So um yeah, it's it makes makes you, you just gave me a new light on that with Brandon Peely. I like that. And um yeah, folks, if you haven't looked up the town, I mean, that is, we're talking, i mean, Northern, Northern Alaska, it is Northern Alaska. Pretty, pretty incredible.
00:36:48
M dub
Yeah, I really love the investment in special teams. The value of starting field position really stuck out to me throughout the end of the season and the playoffs. I think of Rashid Shahid and just the the about this the valuable starting position he created for the team, even on kicks where he doesn't touch the ball because the the touchback into the end zone gets you on the 35-yard line, which which is a plus field position.
00:37:15
M dub
So I really like it. it's ah it's um Yeah, I think it's a pretty special amount of continuity. Tristan, there are three players, only three players from other teams who the Seahawks have signed to new contracts and brought into the building. It's a really low number across the entire league.
00:37:35
M dub
And Tristan, each of these three players was only signed to a one-year deal. They were all under $2 million dollars each. So kind of, ah you heard John talk about it a little bit, kind of.
00:37:47
M dub
He's pretty casual about it. It's kind of a, let's get you in the building and see what you have. I'll go in alphabetical order here. First one, Noah Igbenogany, cornerback, who's played with the Washington Commanders year.
00:38:01
M dub
ah thought was interesting. John said that they were trying to sign him for several years. He was a first-round pick of the Dolphins about five or six years ago, and he's bounced around the league a little bit. He hasn't quite lived up to that first-round potential, but i I was intrigued that John said he was on...
00:38:18
M dub
Their radar. And speaking of the type of trivia fact that I really love, Noah Igbenagany, the son of two Nigerian Olympians who had moved to the American South basically to compete in collegiate track and during their collegiate years in the 90s.
00:38:35
M dub
His mother won a bronze medal in the 1992 Olympics. Hopefully it wasn't 96. One of those two Olympics, Noah Igbenagany's mother wins a track and field bronze medal.
00:38:46
M dub
What do you think? Noah Igman Hogany on the Seahawks from a commander's defense that didn't have a lot of teeth to it last year.
00:38:54
Tristan Amundson
um Well, right off the bat, we we know he's instantly part of the all time last name like club on the Seahawks, which we love. You and I absolutely love a challenge. You always rise to the challenge of um of pronunciation, which I very much respect. um igoggany Did I say it correctly? Is that am I doing no justice there?
00:39:21
M dub
I believe so, and I think I have a way you could remember it in the future.
00:39:25
Tristan Amundson
OK.
00:39:26
M dub
ah What are the two hardest... the What are the two hardest bones in Noah's body? His big noggin knee.
00:39:37
M dub
Does that help you remember it at all?
00:39:37
Tristan Amundson
OK.
00:39:39
M dub
No.
00:39:39
Tristan Amundson
Very helpful. No, very helpful. um So right off the bat, something that I love about this is if you're telling me that.
00:39:50
Tristan Amundson
John Schneider has been looking at this guy for a while. Great sign, right? I mean, John Schneider knows cornerbacks. He knows cornerback talent. That's a very good sign.
00:40:01
Tristan Amundson
If you pair that with the fact that we have one of the best, if not the best, defensive coaches in the league um with an unbelievable system that can really bring out the best in defensive backs, and we've seen that quite a bit since Mike has taken over as head coach,
00:40:20
Tristan Amundson
If you were going to have a first round draft pick, finally find his way, finally like flourish in the NFL and and have his breakout year, Yeah, I mean, you could write the script pretty easily. i love the idea. You need to bring in some cornerbacks. You need to bring in some guys like this on your team.
00:40:40
Tristan Amundson
One year, $1.8 million, dollars and you get a chance to take a major upside with a guy that you've been looking at for a while that has first-round pedigree. You just told me that his parents are elite Olympians. I mean, elite athletes.
00:40:57
Tristan Amundson
That's incredible. So, yeah, I think that's a really, really fun signing. um Why not take a shot with this guy and and see if you can really open it up for him? So I think, yeah, to me, this seems like a very exciting signing just from the standpoint of John Schneider and Mike. If they both are saying yes, like give us this clay so we can help mold it. um That could pretend really well for us. So I'm i'm excited about that one.
00:41:23
M dub
I like that. ah Clay, to mold it, I think that is an apt description of the Seahawks' second signing.
00:41:30
Tristan Amundson
Thank you.
00:41:31
M dub
That's Rodney Thomas. He's a safety who's been playing with the Indianapolis Colts. He played college ball at Yale, Tristan, Yale. And then he was a seventh round pick of the Colts, played there the last four years. So he's stuck in the NFL as a seventh round pick.
00:41:46
M dub
What stood out to me, though, was he had a fair amount of snaps on defense in his first two years. And as his tenure with the c Colts went on, it was less and less snaps on defense and more and more on special teams.
00:42:01
M dub
So i'm not totally sure where the Seahawks are are looking to play him, what plan A is and what plan B is, if it is defense or special teams or both. But it did seem like this was an intentional target of the Seahawks, even though he had been kind of slowly pulled from the Colts defensive rotation.
00:42:21
Tristan Amundson
Interesting. Yeah, i listen, i I don't have as much on Rodney as I did on Noah. I'll just say it. um But i like I'll just say this. I like the continual investment on the back end with guys you're intrigued by and guys that can also contribute on special teams.
00:42:37
Tristan Amundson
So it it just seems like at this point, there are certain positions like that you have to build up ro roster depth.
00:42:39
M dub
That's right.
00:42:44
Tristan Amundson
um And it gives you more flexibility in this draft. I think another thing we have to keep in mind, what the Seahawks have four draft picks coming up in um
Enhancing the Running Back Lineup with Emmanuel Wilson
00:42:52
Tristan Amundson
in a month or so.
00:42:52
M dub
that's right
00:42:53
Tristan Amundson
That's not a lot. So your're art you you do need to pick up some of these players to help fill spots that typically maybe you'd be able to fill with young drafted players.
00:43:06
M dub
That's a great point. It's just not that many picks overall. Tristan, the last signing is the one. i wasn't excited about it when i when the news first came in, but I did a little prep for our show here, and I started to get really excited about it. Last time when I went solo, I mentioned that disappointed the Seahawks didn't pick up Tyler Algier or Rico Dowdle in kind of the mid-class of running back.
00:43:30
M dub
What they do instead is they sign Emmanuel Wilson from the Green Bay Packers, Now, he's been their backup running back behind Josh Jacobs for the last couple years. This is a guy who came out of a D2 school.
00:43:42
M dub
And with the Packers, he has a career rate of basically six running attempts per game. But what really stood out to me, and there's a few there's a few highlight clips that people have made on YouTube for the Seahawks fans to get a quick three or four look at Emmanuel Wilson.
00:43:59
M dub
And, of course, every player looks better on the highlights than you know actually watching them the game. But this is a big, angry man who finishes off his run strong. And i I think this guy is going to become a very quick fan favorite with the Seahawks.
00:44:15
M dub
With Kenneth Walker, we've we've talked about it for a long time. a lot of skill, a lot of very creative long runs. And yet his career success percentage, according to pro football reference, and their kind of first down, second down, third down, fourth down measurements,
00:44:32
M dub
K-9 was pretty low in that stat. Wilson is on the other end. He's elite in that stat. He was third in the league overall in success rate. Now, what this guy does not have is top end speed.
00:44:45
M dub
He has had his career long run is 31 yards. So he is not going to break one off for 70 yards and take it to the house. i just I just don't think he can outrun an NFL defense for that long of a time.
00:44:59
M dub
That's fine with me. it it when In the gritty moments, and you in your second and thirds, in your third and thirds, even when it's first and ten, he's going to get you six or seven in that situation and convert the short downs and instead of breaking one off to the house and and getting stuffed during the other snaps in the game.
00:45:18
M dub
they They kind of let go by mentally. I think he really will help the team keep the chains moving. And between him, Zach Charbonnet, which we don't know the health, and George Helani, who ended the year really strong.
00:45:33
M dub
I'm actually feeling very confident about the running back position, way more so than I than i felt two weeks ago. I don't know if you have any thoughts about Wilson, but this this is honestly one of my favorite moves of the offseason after looking into it a little bit more.
00:45:46
Tristan Amundson
You know, i'm i'm I always like the big bruiser kind of running back, and I think it speaks to identity. So I'll i'll say that. Like, I think identity as a football team, physical dominance, being able to to really take it to the defense, check, check, right? that's and And that's really important.
00:46:07
Tristan Amundson
Um, Charbonnet also brings that with more top end speed, obviously. and And Zach is a really talented runner. Um, George Halani also, you know, has, has some upside.
00:46:19
Tristan Amundson
i think that our, our, our running back room is in an okay spot. I wouldn't say it's in a complete spot at the moment. Um, I certainly do expect them to, to use one of those later draft picks. Maybe, maybe our last draft pick on a running back, um, this year.
00:46:37
Tristan Amundson
i I would be lying if I didn't tell you I was a little worried about the running back spot. With that said, I don't disagree with anything they've done. i don't We couldn't keep K-9. If you look at the course of his career, to your point, there's there's too many negative runs. I will say the only thing, as you were talking, that kind of just makes me a little nervous about selling on K-9 right now is those last three games, it almost felt like he realized,
00:47:07
Tristan Amundson
dude, sometimes you just got to take the yards. And i feel like what we saw the last, say, four to five games of his career with the Seahawks was his willingness just to kind of stick his nose in and and take those two, three yard runs, knowing that other things will break off. I feel like he he became more of a doubles and triples hitter instead of only a home run hitter, if that makes sense, towards the end.
00:47:32
Tristan Amundson
Does he continue to do that? We don't know. we you know, we don't know what canine is going to look like next year. We had to let him go. You can't keep everyone. You can't go after JSN and canine and, you know, fill in the blank and just keep it going. Um, so I think this is a great signing for us I don't have any major notes from a standpoint of, um,
00:47:56
Tristan Amundson
um yeah do I love it? Do I hate it? I think this is the right signing. It's another very, you know, small deal. So it's not like it's going to hurt us or anything like that.
00:48:07
Tristan Amundson
But I definitely don't think our running back room is in a perfect spot right now. I think we're still in flux.
00:48:14
M dub
I totally understand that. I agree. I think we did see an evolution in mentality from K-9, just as we saw from Sam Darnold with regards to turnovers. As the year was progressing last year, I think you're exactly right that he did have a change in attitude that could really serve him well and make his kind of his large contract with the Chiefs well worth it.
00:48:36
M dub
i'm just I'm just kind of making a bet that this is going to be... basic i really feel like this is going to be one of the best free agent signings across the entire NFL this year. I'm just kind of... i don't think I usually say something like that. i don't I don't think I was that excited about the last couple Seahawks free agent groups. um But I feel really excited about this one, and I think it's really going to...
00:49:02
M dub
i Yeah, I think it's going to help the team have a ah really physical identity, and they really found a diamond in the rough here, I think is my opinion. And again, you know you're making a trade-off here. i think the rest of the league is not willing to pay Wilson that much because of of the lack of top-end speed, but...
00:49:21
M dub
I think those plays are honestly really rare in a running back season if you look at every run. And I think he's really going to help the team stay on schedule in a four and five yard run type of way. So I definitely just understand what you're thinking. i'm I'm just kind of going crazy optimistic on this one.
Seahawks' Offseason Strategy and Future Drafts
00:49:40
Tristan Amundson
No, and it listen, what's what's hard what's hard about this one is that he's just the polar opposite of K9, right? So it is a little difficult to, oh, well, we lost that. we're We're getting this. And, you know, i don't know what the analogy is, but we we lost, you know, the Ferrari and now we're getting the Mack truck. And they both they just they have very different jobs to do and they they perform different functions. And so it'll be interesting to see.
00:50:07
Tristan Amundson
um But i'm listen, man, i I'm with you. I do love the sending the message with the physical dominant run. And i again, I will trust that in this draft, John Schneider is going to find um that flash, right? He's going to find the um uh, the, the Sonic, so to speak of running backs out there, the, the speed, um, to be able to go with the knuckles that it seems like we have on the roster right now. And also, you know, it'll be interesting to see how long it takes for Charbonnet to, to come back from his, his injury, because we we love Zach, right? I mean, he's a really great running back and and he was great this year for us.
00:50:50
M dub
I'm also putting a lot of mental weight on. Now it was a Superbowl, but it was ultimately a two to three pass protection snaps from George Helani in that game. so he really didn't have much of a role with the team on offense throughout the year gets put in there in the most success in the, you know, the biggest games and and has some really successful appearances. So I'm putting a lot of weight on a handful of snaps there as well as I,
00:51:15
M dub
go wildly optimistic about the running back room. I will say I'm a little puzzled by the the two secondary additions, not going to be in Thomas. the The resumes just aren't quite as sparkling when you look under the hood there.
00:51:29
M dub
um but ah But I do. yeah There's there are smaller deals, so it's definitely worth it. But I feel much more optimistic about Wilson.
00:51:37
Tristan Amundson
What I love about all these deals, it's my favorite part of this offseason, is we're protecting all those compensatory picks that we're going to get from the losses we've taken, right? The Boye Mafe's, Reek Wollens walking out the door. um The fact that we are stacking up compensatory picks, I think, is really exciting for next year's draft. And it's something the Seahawks, I feel like, haven't done a great job of in in the past. And I always just think, like...
00:52:05
Tristan Amundson
man, if you budget the right way, this is just free kind of free assets that are coming into your team just by by way of not spending or overspending in free agency. And so i I do love the efficiency of this offseason, meaning and I'm a big delayed gratification guy, so I love the idea of we're going to be conservative now and we are gonna reap the rewards next year, and next year's draft with all these extra compensatory picks. So for me, when I look at the new fellas that are coming on the team, what I love is 1.8 million, 1.4, 1.5. And then I love seeing Riquel out the door for 12 million and you say, okay, that's that's the way we wanna be divvying up this money so that we can keep getting better.
00:52:54
Tristan Amundson
And then, you know, more than anything, we're we're spending money on our own players, which is awesome. So, so to me, like protecting those compensatory picks, there's nothing more, demoralizing to me at this time of the year, when I see that we have all these compensatory picks and then you go out and just spend an insane amount of free agency on somebody and you're like, oh, there, there goes that third and that free third and fourth round pick that we were about to have. Um, So I really like the strategy, the long term thinking that John's showing.
00:53:26
M dub
I totally agree. And just to ah put the numbers on it, it's one, this is and it's for next year's draft, not next month's draft, but it's for the 2027 draft. It's one fourth round pick for the departure of Boye Mafé and then three fifth round picks.
00:53:41
M dub
at the end of the fifth round, which which is a lot. So you can't trade those picks, but you can you do have the freedom to start trading your own picks and start moving up and pairing things up. And I think it'll and'll make, I'm already excited.
00:53:54
M dub
It makes next year's draft feel a little more exciting than this year's draft already.
00:53:58
Tristan Amundson
Yeah, and I think we have a total of 12 picks in next year's draft. So um a lot of a lot of draft capital ah capital but but but excuse me a lot of draft capital to work with. I still struggled saying capital of that third or fourth time, Miles. i was That was hard on me. I made it through.
00:54:20
M dub
I felt you got there.
00:54:21
Tristan Amundson
Thank you.
00:54:22
M dub
But um for now, we have caught up pretty comprehensively on the Seahawks offseason, I think. is Is that what you think?
00:54:32
Tristan Amundson
I do. Yeah, no, I'm i'm happy with it. um We have the draft coming up in what, up ah basically a month from now? is that Is that right? I don't even know the exact date.
00:54:41
M dub
I think so.
00:54:42
Tristan Amundson
April something. it's Today is March 24th. If memory serves, the draft's right around April 16th or something like that. So we got about a month before before we...
00:54:54
Tristan Amundson
We get these new players coming in and ah that will be exciting too. I mean, and and as well-rounded as, as this team is, I do think we have some interesting spots to fill, um which I'm, I'm kind of excited to see how they approach the the draft next year, man, or the draft next month, I should say, not next year.
00:55:15
Tristan Amundson
um and, and kind of how they put some of that together. I, I don't think we should get into that too much right now, but um man, that is right, right around the corner.
00:55:24
M dub
It'll be coming and it'll be exciting because John Schneider is on one of the 21st century's greatest draft heaters right now. I mean, it's it's been four hits in a row and that's what gets you a Super Bowl.
00:55:36
Tristan Amundson
It really does. I mean, you can't you cannot tell the story of the Seahawks without Jackson, without Spoon, without Murphy and without Zabel. Right. And and that that that that doesn't even take into account Nikki Monroe. I mean, think about that. It's crazy to think about.
00:55:53
Tristan Amundson
these players that have come in and had such a massive impact on this team. And there's plenty of others that we're not mentioning right over the last three years. But even just that top end talent has is absolutely transformed the Seahawks. It's it's absolutely incredible in such a short period of time.
00:56:12
M dub
Yeah, so I think John has earned that. Whoever these drafted players are, we we'll be looking at it with rose-colored glasses a bit because it's there have been a lot of hits lately.
00:56:25
Tristan Amundson
Pretty cool. Pretty cool, man. Hey, this was fun. Fun getting into this. Fun getting into the JSN deal. Excited that we have Jackson for a long, long time now in Seattle. And he's paired with his running mate there in Sam Darnold. And we're off to the races, man. This is going to be a fun year.
00:56:44
M dub
Absolutely. It just makes me want to climb on top of my roof and scream something to all my neighbors. You know what I'm thinking about ah screaming to them? I won't scream it to you now, but I'll scream it to them later.
00:56:56
Tristan Amundson
Well, what's funny is the thing that you're thinking about screaming to your neighbors. I heard that when Jackson Smith and Jigba looked at his bank account, you know how you when you know a big check is coming in because I'm assuming Jackson has automatic deposit set up with with the
Celebrating Success and Anticipating the Future
00:57:13
Tristan Amundson
Seahawks. He's worked there for a while.
00:57:15
Tristan Amundson
And you know that there was a moment when he was just sitting on the couch and And he opened up his banking app and he looked and and the number hadn't changed and he put it down and maybe he made a milkshake or did something um and came back and look at it again.
00:57:26
M dub
You
00:57:31
Tristan Amundson
I still hadn't changed. Maybe he turns on his Xbox. And then Miles, he's sitting on his couch and he grabs his phone and he he clicks on whatever it is Bank of America, Chase, Wells Fargo, what have you.
00:57:46
Tristan Amundson
And it loads. And that number is substantially different. And in that moment, Miles, I'm almost positive that Jackson said to himself, or perhaps most likely, very much out loud, Go Hawks.
00:58:02
M dub
Go Hawks.