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No, but who was it really? It's a, it's a, not mine. I don't, uh, this, uh, same thing, not some threads chain chain street. Oh, okay. But yeah, yeah, there's, there's lots of alcohol in that talk, but yeah, they were like going to this, uh, this, uh, garbage collection stuff, memory management things, but like, uh, like, uh, like that, that's, uh, if you do reference counting.