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Zach Handy: Okay, welcome to the second episode of the Humanosity Podcast. I have another special guest today, Dr. Leanne Fuchs. Leanne, thanks for being here virtually and talking to me.
Leanne Fuchs: Oh, it's my pleasure. i'm I'm absolutely thrilled to be with you today.
Zach Handy: Yeah, it's going be a lot of fun, I think.
Leanne Fuchs: Absolutely.
Zach Handy: So... I want to learn from you in this conversation, like what you, what it is you do, how you understand and view human health, ways you approach treating and helping people.
Zach Handy: And I know you're good at what you do. So I know you'll have a lot to say, good stuff to say. And so, you know, my field is mental health, but we all know there's a mind body connection and you can't,
Zach Handy: neglect your physical health and expect to feel good mentally or emotionally. so we're going to talk about some strategies you use to improving overall well-being.
Zach Handy: But starting off, I just wanted to ask you about your background, your education, your training, like where you're coming from.
Leanne Fuchs: Absolutely. So I got my first bachelor's in physical education through Illinois State University many, many, many, many years ago. um And I didn't feel like I was done. like I had a strong emphasis in athletic training. And I loved that. I loved being hands-on. And so then I decided to go to massage therapy school.
Leanne Fuchs: And so that was a nine-month program. And while I was there, the doctor that taught anatomy and physiology, who I absolutely loved, was a name. It was called Dr. Kim Wickwire.
Leanne Fuchs: And he was a chiropractor. And he's like, Leanne, I really think that chiropractic would be...
Zach Handy: Yeah.
Leanne Fuchs: for you. And I had never really thought of that. um I wasn't opposed to it at all, but my father was a medical doctor, um a wonderful OBGYN. My mom was a nurse, my stepmom was a nurse, my Nana was a nurse. And so i I never had really thought of going the chiropractic route, but I admired him so much. And I really had loved what I had learned through the athletic training and the massage therapy that I was absolutely thrilled with it. And I said, yeah, sign me up.
Leanne Fuchs: So then I went to Logan in Chesterfield, Missouri, and I did some advanced training in physics, organic chemistry, chemistry. and got my second bachelor's degree in human biology.
Leanne Fuchs: And then I just continued forward and I got my degree in as a doctor of chiropractic in August of 1999. So that was kind of like my foundation and my runway for, then I opened up my clinical practice. I just put out a solo shingle all by myself in 1999, November So this will be my 27th year of clinical practice um into my 27th year. And it's just been an amazing ride. Like we have helped just hundreds of thousands of, I've had hundreds of thousands of office visits and helped um so many people, babies, children, adults, geriatric population, you name it. We've just had a great time caring for everyone.
Leanne Fuchs: So I did chiropractic as my foundation probably for the first, a I'd say the first 12 years of my practice. And I found that I found something wanting, like I found that the patients that used to respond to the chiropractic adjustments weren't holding their adjustments, weren't responding in a timely manner. And I,
Leanne Fuchs: became frustrated because I want my patients to do very well. I want them to win, succeed, feel fantastic, and then have a better quality of life. And we we just, we were missing that boat, you know, and, and when I first got in, the founder of chiropractic was, uh, DD Palmer. Um, and then his son was BJ Palmer. And, you know, back in the day, like DD Palmer, um, he did one chiropractic adjustment. To a gentleman, he was a janitor, Lily Harvard. He was deaf.
Leanne Fuchs: And D.D. Palmer noticed that there is an elevated bump on his upper middle back and neck. And he basically asked, you know, Harvey, could i you know, work on that? And he did the first chiropractic adjustment and Harvey Lillard got his hearing back.
Leanne Fuchs: So it's amazing the natural ability of a body to heal. So I was like, well what changed? You know, that was back in 1895. So move forward a hundred years 1995. And I'm like, we're, we're doing the same adjustment adjustments, if not better, what is the underlying,
Leanne Fuchs: um part or facet that were' that is out, that we're missing. And D.D. Palmer had firmly believed that it is the mind, the body, and the spirit, and that, you know, in that triangle and that those component parts, you also have the aspect of dietary health.
Leanne Fuchs: So back in 1895, he was talking about how people were eating a poor diet 100 years ago so you know, move forward until the ultra process food revolution that we're now experiencing, it makes a ton of sense as to why people were no longer responding to one chiropractic adjustment that used to help people heal quite rapidly. it was no longer having that effect.
Zach Handy: Sure. As the food quality has gotten worse, it makes sense.
Leanne Fuchs: That's right.
Zach Handy: It's really interesting that you grew up, though, in a family um who were all in the health field. Were they pretty like conventional? Which back then, I know things were different than now, but were they pretty conventional practitioners? And what did your dad think about you becoming a chiropractor?
Leanne Fuchs: ah Okay, so, yeah. um You know, it was kind of, it's kind of, it that's a great question. So my my father is first generation American. My grandparents were from Germany during World War II. They moved over into America and fled that that situation. um So my my father was first generation American. So he was raised very,
Leanne Fuchs: um simply put like on, everything was home cooked. Everything was raised, slaughtered, butchered, you know, and so he was raised on all of this really, really good nutritious food. And so when I was born and came to the picture, we, I grew up in Lexington, Kentucky, and we had a very large garden where we raised everything. So we raised all of our food naturally. We had peach trees, apple trees, apricot trees,
Leanne Fuchs: we had everything. And so everything was, my mom was always canning and storing everything. And then, you know, my mom was making everything from scratch. And so it's a great question. So as a medical doctor, he was very conventional in his practice, but in his home life and the way we were raised, it was more of a natural approach to health and wellness and the way we ate and doing vitamins and nutrient site. We rarely took any type of medication. So it's kind of like twofold. Like I saw what my father was doing and how wonderful he was as a doctor and how many people he really did help as an OBGYN. I think that Everybody loved him and he had a wonderful bedside manner.
Leanne Fuchs: But I was also raised on a very, very natural approach to health and wellness.
Zach Handy: So what do you think the main or what do you see as the main differences between like a conventional doctor that you go see at a clinic and what you as a chiropractor and nutrition based practitioner do?
Leanne Fuchs: So I'll only answer that for me. i would never want to speak for, um, anyone else. Um, but for me, when someone comes into my clinic, it is about that patient.
Leanne Fuchs: Like I want to understand what that patient needs and wants, what areas of their life they are suffering with, what have they tried to do, that hasn't worked yet. You know, um how is what they present into my office with affecting their quality of life? Like how how is it messing their day-to-day activities up? And then I want to know how is it affecting their loved ones lives at their children, their spouse, you know, how does that, what they're going through interfere um with their family's life as well.
Leanne Fuchs: And then, you know, we, I listen to what's going on. And then we decide, okay, do we want to do a chiropractic with a patient? Do I want to do the nutrition response testing, which is more a holistic approach to healing, or helping a person naturally heal from within, by finding the true root cause of the problem. Um, in that approach we do.
Leanne Fuchs: we look at other five or six fundamental categories of stressors that the majority of people on planet Earth do suffer from.
Leanne Fuchs: And then once we find the issue, then we develop a natural protocol. And I say sometimes people are misled because it's nutrition response testing. They're like, oh, I don't want to do anything with nutrition. Or i eat a pretty good diet, and it it is...
Leanne Fuchs: while that is fundamentally a part of it, it's only a small part of like truly healing the body at a cellular level. So I may have given you a long answer to a short question.
Zach Handy: What are those like five or six main stressors that you just mentioned?
Leanne Fuchs: yeah. So always we've got the common foods. So there is like maybe 50 different vials that I test on patients. So whether it's gluten or obviously the grains, corn, high um soy, white refined sugar, right? So we deal with that a lot because that's causing a lot of issues. Corn and high fructose corn syrup is causing a ton of issues, you know, and then we deal with eggs because that's tends to be food sensitivities and tolerances or a milk and dairy. nuts, seeds, genetically modified foods. So there's a whole category just on the food side of things that we test for patients. Then we go on to the pathogens. So we'll evaluate is the person having issues with a bacterial or viral infection? Do they have a parasitic infection, right? Or an infestation?
Leanne Fuchs: We find that many, many people are suffering with parasites that never ever knew. that their symptoms were actually parasitic in nature. Fungal issues are rampant, especially in the south southeast part of the country where there's a lot of humidity and a lot of heat and a lot of moisture. And then we also deal with like virulence factors. So things that actually make Those four categories, much more potent and damaging to the person. Then we move on to toxic chemicals.
Leanne Fuchs: We also check for heavy metals because minerals are metals, but there are a lot of metals that we don't necessarily want in high quantities in our body. Like we don't want aluminum, right? To be crossing into and deposited into our brain. We don't want mercury. You know, we don't want antimony, which is a heavy metal that is put in a lot of medications. And then you need just go down the list, lead, tin, any of these, any of those metals. We check for those. We also check for, um, like strontium, radium, a lot of the, um, um, uh, radiation types of heavy metals that sometimes come up into our, um,
Leanne Fuchs: Drinking water and the aquifers and things of that nature that then people can get sick from that. And then I check for any type of like scar that might be affecting the fight or flight aspect of the body that sympathetic nervous system that fight or flight. So it causes kind of it to go haywire on a person and can actually make people quite sick. And then we also have the post-pandemic vials that have a litany of whether it is something that is dealing with the GI issue or is it dealing with an immuno ah deficiency syndrome because of it or do we have deficiencies in proteolytic enzymes or fibrillinic types of enzymes and stuff. So it's pretty in-depth and pretty intensive as so what we do when we evaluate a patient that comes into our office for that.
Zach Handy: I just have to say, i really dislike hearing you say that eggs are on that list because i eat a lot of eggs and I know they're very, they're supposed to be very nutritious for you, right?
Leanne Fuchs: ah
Leanne Fuchs: but Absolutely. And you know, so what the cool thing is, is like, these are just common like sensitivities or intolerances that people can have. But you probably are just fine eating the eggs that you're eating.
Leanne Fuchs: For sure.
Zach Handy: Thank you, Dr. Lann.
Leanne Fuchs: And yes, eggs are amazing, full of vital cholesterol, which the brain absolutely needs to be nourished. Yeah.
Zach Handy: So let's, let's, I want to ask you more about nutrition response training, because I assume a lot of patients when they come in and initially see you, like you said, they don't, they hear that phrase, how like, what is this?
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah.
Zach Handy: And then you do what you do. And it's kind of like a, they probably think it's some sort of voodoo or something, right?
Leanne Fuchs: Yes, yes.
Zach Handy: Can you tell me more about the science behind how it works?
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah, absolutely. So um a medical doctor, I wish i I could cite his name, but he was a Japanese medical doctor that basically dissected the entire skeletal system.
Leanne Fuchs: um and of the spinal cord itself and correlated every single one of the spinal nerves to particular organs within the body so like if i'm evaluating a person and the first bone in their neck is out of alignment i know they've got a food intolerance right so then i can immediately be like hmm in my mind i'm immediately thinking do i need to go more of the nutritional route do we need to delve into what they're eating and things of that nature.
Leanne Fuchs: But the nutritional response testing is basically based on the energies within a person's body. So the way I kind of describe how we do the evaluation or what it is, is you've probably seen Grey's Anatomy, right?
Leanne Fuchs: Or some type of medical show, right?
Zach Handy: I have not.
Leanne Fuchs: Okay.
Zach Handy: um um I used to watch yeah ER r when I was little.
Leanne Fuchs: ah ah Okay, perfect. So yeah ER. So you've seen somebody, they're going into cardiac arrest, they throw pads on them, right? And they've got these leads or electrical wires going off of that and it's going into a computer screen, right? Or or oscilloscope or something where they can actually see what's happening to the heartbeat and the rhythm and everything along those lines. So that is just energy. So they're putting pads on the body and an energy current is being transmitted from the body to the computer screen, right?
Leanne Fuchs: So the same thing exists within our body. And I used to use a computer to basically track like the sympathetic or the parasympathetic nervous system to see if there was any issue and if it wasn't functioning at 100%.
Leanne Fuchs: But what we found was even more reliable was what we call muscle testing. So when a patient comes into my office, I teach them the particular way that we're going to use their body so that they can actually see in present time, at that moment, when I'm testing something, they can see it reacting on their body.
Leanne Fuchs: It's a nutrition response test, right? And so if there is something that is overwhelming the body, or stressing the body out, and when I'm doing the muscle test, if I apply pressure to an organ, let's say the heart, and let's say this person has been having issues with hypertension, high blood pressure, or an arrhythmia or something along those lines. So we already know that organ is stress. And I put a little bit more pressure with my hand over that organ.
Leanne Fuchs: It sends a signal like it's overwhelming the body that the organ is like, there's more stress being applied to it. And it will give me a muscle response indicating that this body is or this organ is short circuiting. So it gives me that information like, hey, here's here's actually a problem within this body that we want to actually then delve into and look to see if we can find out fundamentally what's going on with it.
Leanne Fuchs: Is it one of those five stressors or is it more we have a deficiency or an imbalance within that organ and we just need to nourish it with certain vitamins or minerals or things like that?
Zach Handy: That makes a lot of sense to me.
Leanne Fuchs: Okay, good.
Zach Handy: Yeah.
Leanne Fuchs: Okay, good.
Zach Handy: Have you ever read? have you ever read the book or heard about the book, The Body Electric by Dr.
Leanne Fuchs: Yes. Yeah.
Zach Handy: Robert Becker or Becker?
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah. aye I bought that book when I was still in chiropractic school, probably back in like 97 or 98, I bought that book. So absolutely, you know, our body is just energy in flux, you know, and in in my office, I always try to keep it so that it's not esoteric because I don't want people to be like, because sometimes
Zach Handy: I think that's a
Leanne Fuchs: these concepts are hard to understand and and they're looking at you like, you know, I've got people that call me the voodoo doctor and the witch doctor and they love me.
Zach Handy: good question.
Leanne Fuchs: I mean, it's not an, It's not an insult. It's like, but they I blow their mind. They're just like, how do you do that? um But I try to be able to really explain it very fundamentally and and very basically so that people can then understand.
Leanne Fuchs: And once you understand, it's you can it take it in and accept it a whole lot better.
Zach Handy: Right.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah. Yeah.
Zach Handy: So going going back to that book, The Body Electric, he talks a lot about um how different electrical, like he did a lot of research for the military on the effects of antennas and led to someone working under him by the name of Dr.
Leanne Fuchs: It's right. It's right.
Zach Handy: Andrew Marino, who wrote a book called Going Somewhere. about all their research on how power lines and things of this nature were affecting human health and basically how the research was shut down when they started speaking out against it.
Zach Handy: How concerned are you about that stuff, about wifi, about artificial lights,
Leanne Fuchs: Oh, I have got a EMF and a Wi-Fi blocker, um two major towers on the top floor of our home and on the bottom floor in our clinic that run 24-7.
Leanne Fuchs: um I 100% believe, especially with this 5G network, that basically the waves go right through our body. I find that it's exceptionally toxic to our body.
Leanne Fuchs: and I usually, i don't wear anything like an iPhone on my wrists or a Fitbit because it's constantly putting in an electrical pulse into the body that actually disrupts our electromagnetic field.
Zach Handy: That's it.
Leanne Fuchs: And when our electromagnetic field um goes off of basically that that normal frequency, that homeosy homeostasis that we should have, we start getting sick.
Leanne Fuchs: And that's why grounding, like I'll recommend my patients just go out and walk on the concrete or go out and walk in your yard or get a grounding sheet or, you know, I have like, um, I had a necklace and then I had ah another unit that basically put that was at Sherman's frequency into my body 24 seven so that I was in balance with earth's electromagnetic frequency.
Leanne Fuchs: And I find it to be a major outpoint and one of the major reasons why we see increased illnesses and diseases in our population.
Zach Handy: I agree with you that the introduction of artificial light and the electrical fields that are affecting us 24-7 basically and the absent absence of natural light, which we are so devoid of because people don't so understand that light is one of the main signals that our cells use to regulate ourselves and to run appropriately.
Leanne Fuchs: That's right.
Zach Handy: And our circadian rhythm is very disrupted. um And
Leanne Fuchs: That's exactly right.
Zach Handy: and I was just going to add in there the importance of the long wavelength light, the reds and infrareds. And, you know, how many, I don't remember how many years ago it was under Obama, they outlawed incandescent bulbs, you know, which are the full spectrum bulbs that have that light because they're energy inefficient.
Leanne Fuchs: Right. Right. and Right.
Zach Handy: So like around me at work, I have lamps set up with incandescent bulbs. And when I first, when people first see that, I think they think I'm a little crazy.
Zach Handy: at first, cause I have those set up.
Leanne Fuchs: right
Zach Handy: I have my blue blockers on a lot of the time, um, because blue light in isolation is really bad for you and toxic.
Leanne Fuchs: and
Leanne Fuchs: right
Zach Handy: And all of these things, the artificial lights, the blue lights, they're also creating a lot of instability in our metabolism, like insulin resistance. It raises blood sugar. It keeps our mitochondria from functioning well.
Zach Handy: And like you said, with the Fitbit, um, wearing something like that too is going to affect your metabolism as well.
Leanne Fuchs: Absolutely. It's totally an electrical disruption agent and it affects your sympathetic, your parasympathetic nervous system. Some people know the parasympathetic nervous system more as that vagal nerve that relax and repair and the sympathetic is more that fight or flight. And so it absolutely overwhelms the system and can short circuit it is a really good electrical term I like to use for what's happening to our body. You see it with the brain fatigue, the brain fog.
Leanne Fuchs: Like you said, you see it with the metabolic processes. um You see it with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease because, and we can delve into the dietary aspect, we're kind of more on the electrical aspect of things, but we are energy in flux.
Leanne Fuchs: Just like, I wish I, and you might might know this gentleman, but it was, he did study and research on water and crystals.
Zach Handy: Thank
Leanne Fuchs: And if you spoke positively to it, or if you spoke negatively to it, or if you ignored it. And so the most damaging thing that happened to the crystal is when it was ignored, actually was the most, but you know, speaking positive thoughts and love made these beautiful crystal formations and speaking hatred and anger made these horribly ugly and disfigured type of crystal patterns.
Leanne Fuchs: So you can see it in all aspects of life and livingness. Yeah.
Zach Handy: How much percent water are we?
Leanne Fuchs: Oh, um but I think like 70, 75%. Now, nowadays, it might be less with the amount of Pepsi and Coke that everybody drink. But you should be about 75% water.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah. a
Zach Handy: And just to add one more um thing to the light conversation, I don't know if you are aware of this study or not. This came out Not too long ago, within the past two years probably, I think, there was this researcher who just shined red light on a patch on the participants' backs versus a control group.
Zach Handy: And the people that he shined the light on, they had like 30%. It lowered their blood sugar by, I think, 30%. Just how light.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah, yeah.
Zach Handy: just highlight
Leanne Fuchs: And i do i do cold laser red light in my office specifically on specific points, like with acupuncture, I'll do the acupuncture points or with scar tissue because that affects the nervous system.
Leanne Fuchs: I'll do it on that. So yeah, that is absolutely a very valid and powerful therapy to do for people. Yeah, I love that.
Zach Handy: Yeah, I didn't know we were going to go down this route, but I'm glad we did.
Leanne Fuchs: I am too. That's great. i love it.
Zach Handy: so I do want to ask you, since we're on the topic of metabolism, can you talk about what metabolism is and why it's important and some of the main ways it becomes dysregulated? And I know you've kind of already mentioned a few of them.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah. So metabolism, basically our basal metabolic rate is the amount of calories that are needed to run a body at rest.
Zach Handy: and really are more than a place.
Leanne Fuchs: So many, many things, many organs are in control of metabolism.
Zach Handy: So, never have a goal
Leanne Fuchs: Like many people and most people have heard of our thyroid gland. Well, our thyroid gland is a major metabolic organ. And with your metabolism, usually we're thinking of somebody with a high metabolism burns a lot of calories.
Leanne Fuchs: And somebody with a lower sluggish metabolism doesn't burn out any calories or can look at a piece of food and gain weight. So that's usually how I just try to basically keep it very simple.
Leanne Fuchs: And most people can relate to, yeah, I've seen somebody that you know, is thin as a rail and can eat anything they want to.
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: And they never gave it gain an ounce. That's a very fast running metabolism. And then you also talk about women and they're like, yeah, I worked out for a month. I ate 500 calories.
Leanne Fuchs: I lost like, two ounces, you know, something horribly ridiculous and and painful. That's a very slow metabolism. And so diet is one of the fundamental and primary things that drives a person's metabolism.
Leanne Fuchs: And I have been a carnivore on carnivore diet for two years, and I did it for medical reasons because I found that the foods and the ultra hot processed foods and the contaminants with the chemicals
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: the glyphosate, um you know, and all of these other pesticides and fungicides and insecticides. I was just becoming very, very sick.
Leanne Fuchs: And I just kept going down the path of removing foods and eliminating foods until I got to a point where I realized that I just did best on meat, water, and a little bit of dairy.
Leanne Fuchs: And about once a month, I'll have a treat where I'll either have a piece, like a little bit of pizza, or I'll have a little bit of chocolate. But that's usually just like one meal once a month. I'll do something like that.
Leanne Fuchs: So I find that the foods that we are eating are very, very high and in calories and they are very nutrient deplete.
Leanne Fuchs: Like there is no nutritive value in the foods that we're eating.
Zach Handy: I think that's good question.
Leanne Fuchs: So they are loaded with carbohydrates.
Zach Handy: I think that's good question. I think that's a good
Leanne Fuchs: They're loaded with preservatives.
Zach Handy: I think that's a good question.
Leanne Fuchs: They're loaded with chemicals. You know, I think there's like 10,000 chemicals that these producers do not have to put on our labels when we are eating food.
Leanne Fuchs: 10,000 hidden chemicals. No wonder we're so sick, right? And they don't have to label them. And so these chemicals are not natural to our body. Like our body was not intended to have to detoxify through our liver all of these fat-soluble poisonous toxins.
Leanne Fuchs: And i bet if anybody is listening to me, I mean... Think about how many times you have done a liver detox or a liver cleanse to clean out what we call our oil filter, right?
Zach Handy: question.
Leanne Fuchs: So the liver is like our oil filter. So it becomes very congested, very toxic. And then you can't break down all of these toxic chemicals or these foods from the liver and it creates a diseased state where our metabolism tends to not work as efficiently as possible. So fundamentally, I think it's the ultra processed foods coupled with the pesticides and the industrialized chemicals that are being added to
Leanne Fuchs: on and in our foods and in our air and in our water supply. That would be the first fundamental category that I think is affecting our metabolism and making us sick.
Zach Handy: So metabolism boils down to your ability to produce and use energy efficiently. Is that right?
Leanne Fuchs: That's right. That's right. Yeah, calories are just going to be energy that you're going to burn from the foods to then, yeah, run the body.
Zach Handy: So I do want to ask you, since you mentioned it, about carnivore and keto, because those are big
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah.
Zach Handy: Big diets now that a lot of people find help a lot that relieve symptoms, and improve energy, mental clarity, help you lose a lot of weight.
Zach Handy: So could you explain, let's start with carnivore. Like what is it about switching to a carnivore diet? And you can talk about what a carnivore diet is in the first place and how that is helpful or for some people, how it can help.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah, absolutely. And so i i never try to one-size-fits-all type of situation with anyone, you know.
Zach Handy: um
Leanne Fuchs: But for me, first off, four of the top foods that I would want to stay away from is wheat,
Leanne Fuchs: barley, rye, and oats. Those are very, very difficult for anybody's body to digest. So when we consume a food, it goes down into our stomach and the stomach, we have a hydrochloric acid, the intrinsic factor, things of that nature.
Zach Handy: I think that's a very interesting thing to understand.
Leanne Fuchs: We have pepsin, things that are trying to break down the collagen bonds, um, within those, um, grain structures itself. Well, our body has a very, very hard time trying to digest that. And so what happens is undigested foods go from the stomach and the stomach primarily is focused on digesting proteins primarily.
Leanne Fuchs: But what we have is the then the this undigested food that again is quite difficult to digest and the stomach goes into the small intestines.
Zach Handy: So,
Leanne Fuchs: And then there from the small intestines, it's going to go through into the large intestines. But when you have these undigested food particles, it creates what's called leaky gut syndrome.
Leanne Fuchs: So we should have very tight gap junctions within our GI tract through the stomach, the small intestines, the large intestines. And so what happens when we have these undigested food particles, they start pushing holes and punching gaps.
Leanne Fuchs: through these walls. And so the undigested food then gets into our bloodstream and is the foundation and the beginning stages of developing autoimmune diseases.
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: And you know, the autoimmune diseases just, I mean, there so many different autoimmune diseases now, but fundamentally it starts in the breakdown within the cell structure within the GI tract, the stomach, the small intestines.
Leanne Fuchs: um And so I was having a lot of issues with leaky gut syndrome. and And I want to digress a little bit. Glyphosate also is a major player in the dysbiosis or the
Zach Handy: So, think that's a good thing.
Leanne Fuchs: breakdown in the functioning of the gut because it is also an antibiotic, but it's not a good antibiotic.
Zach Handy: I think that's a good thing. I think that's good thing. I think that's thing.
Leanne Fuchs: So it destroys 4,000 good bacteria to every one bad bacteria it destroys.
Zach Handy: think that's good thing. think that's good thing. think that's good thing. think that's good thing. I think that's a thing.
Leanne Fuchs: So then when we consume foods that have had glyphosate sprayed on it, such as the corn and the soy and all that stuff that is Roundup ready, when we consume it, it destroys all the good bacteria in our gut.
Zach Handy: think that's a good thing. think that's good thing. think that's a good thing. I think that's good thing.
Leanne Fuchs: And now we have an imbalance of bad bacteria to good bacteria to fungal overloads, then we get parasites to come in.
Zach Handy: you
Leanne Fuchs: So not only do we have undigested food particles punching holes, but we have bad bacteria and imbalance, and then we have parasites coming in also do major damage to this GI tract.
Leanne Fuchs: So I had always had issues, sensitivities, intolerances, and even some allergies to foods and grains. So all my life, I knew that I wasn't a really good, strong candidate to eat.
Leanne Fuchs: these types of grains and things that nature. So I started developing an autoimmune disease called vitiligo where I lost my skin coloring, like all the melanin in my arm is destroyed. So it turns white and it will never tan or anything. Well, it started going into my other arm and and up into my face. um And when I stopped eating the grains um and these foods that had been sprayed with glyphosate, all of it stopped.
Leanne Fuchs: And so that was the entrance point of me beginning my carnivore journey, just basically from empirical data of me just living my life and seeing, wow, that was the one thing that stopped my autoimmune disease was going and and moving into the carnivore diet.
Zach Handy: So if you switch to a mostly meat-based diet, you're eliminating a lot of the gly glyphosate.
Leanne Fuchs: ah Yeah, because ah typically they don't use glyphosate on meat products. Like i that's usually going to be more on crops, you know, to like if you want to. um you know, dry down a crop of wheat or something, they might use, you know, some glyphosate or they might use, you know, some salt water, but on all of our corn crops, soy crops, most of them are Monsanto Roundup ready.
Leanne Fuchs: And that's what they spray in horrendous quantities and amounts. So yeah, that is it.
Zach Handy: What do you think about them giving immunity to the makers of glyphosate?
Leanne Fuchs: Oh, i think it's a crime against humanity. I truly do. Like, I feel like anybody that creates a product that makes billions and billions of dollars should then also be held accountable for the damage they have done. Like, I don't believe just like I and I i may be crossing a line here, but I feel like the vaccine company should be held accountable for the damages that they have done to individuals that have been vaccinated and the families and lives that have been damaged because of it I think that they absolutely be held. I mean, if I hurt somebody, i would be held accountable. If you hurt somebody, you would be held accountable. I don't think that anybody wins by somebody, these big, huge corporations being able to get a pass
Leanne Fuchs: on um these harmful things are doing to people because they know. they They know what the damage is.
Leanne Fuchs: They just cover it up.
Zach Handy: So earlier when you were talking about the nutritional response testing, you said you had a ah post pandemic vial that you test for. Is that mostly testing for effects from the jab or from COVID or from both or?
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah. Yeah, so it checks for like um all types of things, whether it's like um immunodeficiency syndrome, like a endothelial dysfunction to, you know,
Leanne Fuchs: Are they having consequences from the vaccine itself? Are there still spike proteins in a person's body? You know, all of these things we can look at to see, you know, do they have the graphene oxide? You know, do they have the actual metals that um were injected into them as part of these vaccines that then are to come full circle being activated by the 5G towers?
Zach Handy: How big of a problem do you think that is?
Leanne Fuchs: I think it's a huge problem. You know, there are a lot of people dying of cardiovascular incidents, strokes, heart attacks. And when you start to talk to other professionals, we're like, yeah, it was definitely related to the vaccine.
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: You know, I had a ah sad case where um this 26-year-old girl was given the had taken the jab and um came up to see her family. I practiced in Illinois for 25 years and they came up to see their family in Illinois. They took an airplane flight. She was 26 years old. She had just gotten the jab and they landed and she died within 24 hours. And when they did an autopsy on her, they said her whole body was full of blood clots.
Leanne Fuchs: and in the clotting that it occurred from the from the vaccine. So I do think it's a major problem.
Zach Handy: I definitely have no regrets from not getting any.
Leanne Fuchs: Me either. Me either. I'm very happy I didn't get them for sure. But I do have people.
Zach Handy: So go ahead.
Leanne Fuchs: go ahead. i was just going say I do have people that come in and we are able to help them.
Zach Handy: No, you go ahead.
Leanne Fuchs: um mitigate and the negative consequences of the vaccines. So like I have people come in and then we have helped them and their bodies heal from that.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah.
Zach Handy: So going real quick back to the carnivore diet and metabolism, one thing I wanted to ask you about was insulin resistance, because I think that's a big problem and associated with a lot of mental health issues specifically.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah.
Leanne Fuchs: Absolutely.
Zach Handy: which Could you explain what insulin is and what insulin resistance is?
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah.
Zach Handy: and going into diabetes, type 2 diabetes.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah, yeah. So insulin is a is a hormone. um that is secretive when there is blood sugar, the blood sugar levels elevate.
Leanne Fuchs: And so the insulin is secreted and it takes the blood sugar and distributes it into the cells themselves because the the cells need that energy to to go, right?
Leanne Fuchs: And so when a person has a very high level of constant exposure to sugars, right? Where the blood sugar is constantly being elevated. The cell wall becomes resistant to basically if
Zach Handy: Mm-hmm.
Leanne Fuchs: Um, like I wanted to put a key in a lock, right. And I just. Put the key in lock. So many times I started jamming and I broke the key off in the lock. Well, then i I can't get in. And so that's what helps happens to the cell membrane. There's been so much insulin and so much, um, sugar in the system that it no longer lets that sugar go into the cell itself. And that's where we have this insulin resistance. and that blood sugar that, you know, is very high in our system that basically sets the stage for pre-diabetes and then sets the stage for, for diabetes. But you know, that insulin resistance, you know,
Leanne Fuchs: The brain runs on glucose. And so people a lot of times ask me, well, how can you be a carnivore? You're just eating protein and fat. How can you, you know, run on that? Well, protein actually converts to glucose.
Leanne Fuchs: It's a slower runway, right? but protein converts into glucose.
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: so i don't actually have to eat ever. I don't ever have to eat a carbohydrate in my life. I don't ever have to eat a sugar because protein does that for me and it will slowly convert, um, the sugars.
Leanne Fuchs: And what is interesting is phenomenal. I was listening to Dr. Chafee, uh, who's a phenomenal, uh, uh, guy, Dr. Neurosurgeon and, and, uh, a pivotal man and in the carnivore.
Leanne Fuchs: And um so the insulin that is secreted from our pancreas um is intended to be the um insulin that controls the sugar that is broken down from protein.
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: So like a type one diabetic actually has a different form of insulin than a type two diabetic. which is fascinating, right? So a type one diabetic has what our pancreas secretes is insulin to regulate the blood sugar.
Leanne Fuchs: A type two diabetic, because it is driven by a high carbohydrate diet and those high, high sugars, it is actually a new category and classification of drugs.
Leanne Fuchs: then that insulin is completely different than our body's natural insulin. It's a, it's a man-made synthetic one to manage the um carbohydrate sugars that are produced in our body because our, our body doesn't know how to do it. Yeah. It's fascinating.
Zach Handy: So we're eating, I mean, most American diets are probably higher in carbs than anything else, right?
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah.
Zach Handy: So we're eating the one macronutrient that we don't actually have to ingest that we can make ourselves.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah.
Leanne Fuchs: That's right.
Zach Handy: And so what happens when someone has insulin resistance? And By the way, the estimates I've read is at something that something like 90% of the US population probably is insulin resistant.
Leanne Fuchs: Oh, absolutely.
Zach Handy: So you're eating a high carb diet, which is turned into sugar, glucose, and then you can't, your cells can't use the insulin to be able to take in the glucose properly, right?
Zach Handy: So what happens to all that excess glucose?
Leanne Fuchs: That's right.
Leanne Fuchs: So, um, basically it just, um, runs in through the blood, right. But then it also like a, a person will start like dumping it through their urine out, out through their kidneys. Uh, it also then is, um, stored as fat. So then you can see a very a rapid increase in weight gain, in the right?
Leanne Fuchs: um Within a person's body. And, um you know, unfortunately, like your fat cells can get very, very, very, very large.
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: And so they can store a lot of unwanted calories. So that's what happens. Unfortunately, you can't just burn it off or or dispose of it, it's normally going to be converted into an unhealthy fat.
Leanne Fuchs: And so then when a person has elevated level of fat, then their hormones go out of balance. So so elevated level of adipose tissue is going to create more of an estrogen dominant state, which then creates more hormonal balance Um, and hor hormonal issues within the body that exacerbates, um, insulin resistance itself.
Zach Handy: What about in the brain specifically? Like if you have, if you're insulin resistant and you have excess glucose in the brain, is that sticking to cells?
Leanne Fuchs: So actually when you're insulin resistant, your brain starves. because it can't assimilate that glucose into the cell. Right. So that cell cannot, it, it starves. It cannot get the glucose in. So when you have insulin resistance, you know, you've got, it's kind of like being, you know, trapped on a boat out in the middle of the ocean, you're surrounded by water and you can't drink it.
Leanne Fuchs: Right. Cause it's salt water and salt water. would totally throw us our balance off and would kill us quite quite quickly, right? If we drank a whole lot of that. So it's the same thing. It's that cell is being surrounded by a ton of sugar but because of the insulin resistance, that sugar cannot enter into the cell and the cell actually starves. So you see a decline in mental acuity, brain fog, and actual atrophy of the brain itself.
Leanne Fuchs: um and And a number of other things that I'm sure you're aware of as well. We see ADD, ADHD, we see increased Alzheimer's,
Leanne Fuchs: diseases and things of that nature. so as a consequence of these issues, these metabolic issues.
Zach Handy: So I've been reading this book. Well, I read it a couple of years ago. So rereading it. It's called Change Your Diet, Change Your Mind. And it's written by Dr. Georgia Eade.
Zach Handy: And she's a metabolic psychiatrist, which is very small and new field where they focus on nutritional interventions. And a lot of it is keto focused.
Leanne Fuchs: Great.
Zach Handy: um Can we get into keto and you explain what that is?
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah. Yeah. So keto is, um, I always did keto when I did keto. It was more like just 20 grams of carbs.
Leanne Fuchs: was I kind of stayed in that in that that line and I wanted to try to induce in my body a state of ketosis, which is a state where the body converts from using glucose as its primary fuel source to using fat um and the ketones as its primary fuel source. So I like the keto diet very much because it's,
Leanne Fuchs: For most people, it's so much more manageable. It's not so strict. Like i'm I'm totally like, for me, I can eat the same thing over and over again. Like I can eat meat and drink water and and be super happy. But my husband likes a little bit of variety. And so the keto, that's more for him. And so, um you know, keto is going to be, you know, any type of, you know, meat, poultry, fish, anything like that. And then i always say, you know, do more of like,
Leanne Fuchs: um your vegetables, like like basically the way I was raised in the 70s, you know, you have your meats, you have your vegetables, and you have some fruits, right? And I always recommend low glycemic fruits, you know, the berries that are very high in antioxidants and things of that nature, fibers, and they've also got a lot of minerals that balance out the sugars. So that would be a keto diet for me. So just basically, you're gonna eat your meats, you're gonna eat some
Leanne Fuchs: vegetables. And then if you are going to have fruits, it's going to be the very low glycemic berry fruits that you're going to have in small portions and keep it under 20, keep it around 20 grams of carbohydrates a day.
Zach Handy: you're transitioning from predominantly running off. I mean, you always have to have some glucose, right, in your body to use, which your body will make.
Leanne Fuchs: Right.
Zach Handy: But you're switching from that as the primary fuel source to fat or ketones in the brain.
Leanne Fuchs: Right.
Leanne Fuchs: That's right.
Zach Handy: um So this this book that that I read that I mentioned, it's predominantly focused on mental health. But one of the things she explains in the book is how eating a diet high in refined carbs and sugar, which is standard for a lot of people, how it spikes your glucose and insulin so high to such a ah peak that when it starts dropping, your body sees that as an emergency.
Zach Handy: Oh, no, like this is an emergency because we're running out of glucose. And so you are essentially put into a fight or flight state where appetite hormones are released to stimulate you being hungry and adrenaline and cortisol are increased.
Leanne Fuchs: Thank you.
Zach Handy: And there was this really interesting study she mentioned, which was an experiment at Yale where they gave healthy teenage boys a decaffeinated cola. It was sweetened with 86 grams of glucose.
Zach Handy: So that's about the same amount of sugar you'd find in two 12 ounce cans of soda.
Leanne Fuchs: Great.
Zach Handy: And four to five hours later, their adrenaline levels quadrupled and they reported symptoms such as shakiness, sweating, weakness, and pounding heart.
Zach Handy: So essentially the same thing you would experience in an anxiety attack. And so I think people who experience anxiety attacks, they should really think about what they've eaten a few hours ago. And most people aren't going to make a connection like that.
Zach Handy: You know, you're not thinking what you ate four hours ago is going to cause you anxiety.
Leanne Fuchs: That's right. Absolutely. I'm glad that you brought up that part.
Zach Handy: She had also mentioned, you'll find this interesting too, specifically people with certain diagnoses. so People with newly diagnosed bipolar disorder have 3.5 times, or they're 3.5 times more likely to have metabolic syndrome than people without bipolar. um People with glucose levels in the pre-diabetes range are 2.7 times more likely to develop major depression.
Zach Handy: And people with schizophrenia are 3.7 times more likely to have insulin resistance.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah, I a hundred percent agree with that. You're just starving the brain, you know, and you're sending it on an emotional and and a hormonal rollercoaster ride, you know, and you spike it up and then you bottom it out, you know, and one of the real simple tests to see if a person has insulin resistance or not, or if they're having issues with this is if after dinner or after a meal and they eat, do they crave something sweet?
Zach Handy: Yes.
Leanne Fuchs: If they eat and then they crave something sweet, that is insulin resistance right there. It's a very simple test to do that anybody can do, you know, and and I always ask people, I'm like, hey, after dinner, do you actually crave something sweet? do you want to have to go have a dessert or something? They're like, yeah. And I'm like, okay, well, that's where our problem is.
Zach Handy: Okay, so the other thing I wanted to ask you about is with, say, insulin resistance and excess glucose, how that contributes to something like inflammation and oxidative stress.
Leanne Fuchs: Oh, I mean, so vegetables have sugars in them, right? But the reason that vegetables can be very nourishing to a body is that they also have minerals in them. So the minerals balance out the sugars.
Leanne Fuchs: And so there's um no need for the body to try and handle deficiencies But when a person consumes like a carbohydrate or ultra processed food,
Leanne Fuchs: um
Leanne Fuchs: there is not a balance of minerals within our body. And so what happens is we're taking in just this huge amount of sugar. um And the body will then try to balance this and it will leach out our minerals, our enzymes, our nutrients, right, um to create a balance that can then be
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: ah removed from our kidneys or through our bowels and excreted out. So by eating a diet that is ultra processed or a high in carbohydrates, it creates um a lack of the nutrients that we truly need to run the biological processes within our body to run the mitochondria, to run the cellular functions that maintain health.
Leanne Fuchs: We don't have those building blocks because they are always on alert to manage this influx of um carbohydrates and sugars into our body that we were never intended to consume.
Zach Handy: So with a lot of mental health disorders, all the things we mentioned, elevated cortisol levels, inflammation, oxidative stress, those are all things that can be addressed very effectively with diet.
Leanne Fuchs: Absolutely. Absolutely. with I think that diet is, is you know, ah um ah on the low end, it would be 70%, and on the high end, it would be 98%.
Leanne Fuchs: What is dictating the health and integrity of our bodies and and our future quality of life?
Zach Handy: Do you think that um diet is a big focus in like standard medical care?
Leanne Fuchs: No, I don't. I don't as evidenced by the fact that RFK flipped the food pyramid upside down and that's more appropriate, right? So um if you look at the diabetes, the American Diabetes Association, most diabetics in this country will eventually develop heart disease.
Leanne Fuchs: because the diet of a diabetic is is part and parcel to developing arteriosclerosis and damage to the vessels and and heart disease. And it is is fundamentally, you know, eat your grains.
Leanne Fuchs: You know, how many servings of grains a day, you know, which is just totally just sugars and carbs into your body.
Zach Handy: a good question.
Leanne Fuchs: That is just a total overload that just perpetuates the problem of making diabetes worse and then causing other diseases like heart disease.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah.
Zach Handy: Yeah. Yeah. the The funny thing is about the food pyramid is Dr. Ede in the book I referenced, she talks about how the food pyramid came into being and that there was never any evidence for it that it was good on a biological level for humans.
Leanne Fuchs: Right. Right, it is. And and um to add to that point that you just made that was is very important. and um Back in the 60s, so the sugar industry hired three Harvard scientists to do a study that basically supported supported the carbohydrate rich diet and poo-pooed the meat and fat diet.
Leanne Fuchs: And so they paid a lot of money.
Zach Handy: Mm-hmm.
Leanne Fuchs: I think it was like back then it was like 40 $60,000 to get this study pushed through that said, Hey, the carbohydrate rich diet is what will give us health.
Leanne Fuchs: Right. And we want to go low fat. We remember everything all became, everything became low fat, right? It was like, Hey, eat high carb, you know, foods with low fat and that will, you know, stave off heart disease and obesity and things.
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: And we got just the opposite with a ton of metabolic syndrome, diseases and disorders with hypertension, diabetes, cirrhosis, fatty liver disease, you know, and now we're having all of these mental disorders as well.
Leanne Fuchs: So yeah, I think they totally manipulated the food pyramid. Like you said, they monetized it really. And whoever had the the biggest marketing campaign and the biggest lobbying and the biggest funding was the one who was able to say and dictate what we would then eat.
Zach Handy: If you're a conspiracy theorist, you might think that it was some sort of systemic attack we're under, you know?
Leanne Fuchs: ah Yeah, you know, and it's funny, when they say you're a conspiracy theorist, it's usually when it comes out like five years later, it's like, oh, you were just telling the truth.
Leanne Fuchs: You know, so anytime someone says you're a conspiracy theorist, I'm like, you bet. Just look at the facts. Yeah.
Zach Handy: You know, it's funny talking about food and diet and how a high carb sugar eating a lot of refined foods is is so bad for your body and brain and working at a behavioral health unit in the hospital.
Zach Handy: That's basically all they get.
Leanne Fuchs: Yes.
Zach Handy: I mean, it's so it's sad, but they have, you know, they have three meals. Then they have, I think, snack three times a day. And you know their snacks are chips, cookies, all these things, where if they're already having metabolic issues contributing to their symptoms.
Leanne Fuchs: That's right. Absolutely. It makes no sense. And I mean, you give a child a Coke. and watch how they react, like you had said, you know, within 30 minutes, they act like they're crazy, you know, they're running around screaming and hollering, you know, and stuff like that, you know, and if that's a manifestation outwardly, what is it inwardly doing within their body itself, you know, like, I know I kind of make, you know, fun or a joke of that, but really truly think of like,
Zach Handy: No way.
Leanne Fuchs: How is it affecting the body internally if we see that presentation, that manifestation of them and their behavior like that off the wall type of behavior when they you know consume that intense type of sugar?
Leanne Fuchs: you know And it doesn't even have to be Coca-Cola. Zach, it's like fruit juices, right? They're loaded with sugars. you know All of these things that are touted as natural and healthy, these great cereals that kids are put on in the morning, total sugar, pop tarts, total sugar, you know, orange juice, completely just sugar, you know?
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: And so it's like, just like you said, shifting the diet back to a more natural diet for us, we'll get rid of 95% these issues.
Zach Handy: And those same kids, sadly, a lot the times are taken to a doctor and put on a stimulant and those fundamental issues never get addressed.
Leanne Fuchs: That's right.
Leanne Fuchs: That's right. That's right. Absolutely. And so in our clinic, you know, what we do is we start working on their diet, and then we just nourish them with the vitamins and minerals that they're depleted.
Leanne Fuchs: you know, we just nourish them. And, you know, there's some other things that can cause these types of brain issues, like with the parasites and other fungal overloads and stuff. But normally that's because we have had a breakdown in our gut, right? Because of the foods that we eat that then make us susceptible to these infestations that then actually can lead to other um neurological and mental behavioral issues that you're experiencing as well.
Zach Handy: Can you think of any examples from your practice in which a kid came in specifically for, you know, hyperactivity or ADHD symptoms and ability to focus and you addressed that and treated them with your approach?
Leanne Fuchs: Oh, absolutely. We deal with it all the time. i had a nonverbal, so autistic a child, but very, very um aggressive, violent, um just really couldn't keep control of his his body. And um we got him on, through this nutrition response testing, we started cleaning up his diet. We We recommended he to start consuming camel's milk because camel's milk is very, very therapeutic for their brain and an autistic brain.
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: You can heal autism that I shouldn't say this word, but, um, the brain can heal up to 15 years of age. So we have had people and children that have had autism in cases that have had autism and through the change in their diet,
Leanne Fuchs: And the nourishment of their brain with the vital nutrients, minerals, vitamins, and things that nature no longer actually present as an autistic child. So yeah, that is one example that I've got where he, I guess I didn't tell you the successes.
Leanne Fuchs: So he now speaks in full sentences. Um, actually, has conversations where he, he talks, um, with parents and other kids of his own age.
Leanne Fuchs: So, um in his mental acuity has skyrocketed. So that would just be one case that I've handled in my clinic specific to, yeah, that type of situation.
Zach Handy: It's amazing.
Zach Handy: Do you get a lot of people coming into your clinic specifically for mental health issues?
Leanne Fuchs: I do. ah do. I get the full gamut. You know, I get from ADD, ADHD, primarily I get a lot of brain fog, mental decline,
Leanne Fuchs: memory retention that has failed. People just can't find the words or you know formulate sentences or very, very forgetful. I get that all the time.
Leanne Fuchs: um I'd say 50% of the patients that come into me when we're going through the list of things that bother them, that's usually one of the things that bothers them is that their memory is failing them.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah.
Zach Handy: What would be some like basic advice or things to look at and address to people who are specifically experiencing things like low mood, maybe some brain fog, sleep issues, either not sleeping well or sleeping too much, maybe anxiety, just feeling anxious a lot.
Leanne Fuchs: So for me, like those four grains, so the wheat, the rye, the barley, and the oats, and what they could do is they could try this on their own.
Leanne Fuchs: do it for 28 days and do an elimination of those four foods. Or if they're like, well I've never really had a problem with that, but um cover your ears, Zach. But if they had problems with like eggs or they had problems with milk or dairy or something like that, right?
Zach Handy: not It's not the eggs.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah, it's not the eggs, just cover your ears. But if they were having some issue with that, they could just eliminate that for 28 And then on the 29th day, and then on the twenty ninth day eat it and see how they feel the following day.
Leanne Fuchs: Right? So a lot of times just by the removal, like those four grains, the wheat, the barley, the rind, the oats, those are horrible. for anyone, anyone, no, some people can get away with it, but eventually it's going to negatively impact their health. And definitely with the the brain fog and the decrease ability to focus. So I would say those would be the top four grains that I would remove.
Leanne Fuchs: And then also start decreasing the quantity of their sugars, like high fructose corn syrup, any type of artificial sweeteners. and then the sugars.
Leanne Fuchs: And i always do a slow decline when I'm trying to help people like, so I'm like, okay, just get a baseline of how many carbohydrates you're actually eating. Are you consuming 350? Are you consuming 500 carbs?
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: Okay, fine. And we want to kind of get to about 72 carbs. That's about, um, normal for what a person should have if they're not doing keto or carnivore, right? 72 carbs. So if they're at like 500 carbs a day drop it 10, 10 carbs, you know, and just slowly wean off of it because you're physiologically addicted to the sugars. So it's just like if you were addicted to tobacco or alcohol or anything along those lines, you have to slowly wean yourself off of these sugars. Um, but just by weaning themselves off of those sugars, they will and have more energy. Um, they'll sleep better. Um,
Leanne Fuchs: You know, their cortisol levels are going to decrease, their adrenal, the adrenaline is going to decrease. They're going to have better memory and ability to focus and formulate complete thoughts and do things like that.
Zach Handy: You bring up a really good point because I think why a lot of diets like carnivore and keto work, or a big portion of it, is because you're eliminating the bad foods, the ones that are really causing problems.
Leanne Fuchs: That's it. That's it. that's That's right. it's It's phenomenal.
Zach Handy: So I do want to ask you just going back to meat.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah.
Zach Handy: Right. Because there has been a lot of. Or at least it seems like demonization of meat and cancer and that people should stay away from red meat and things like that.
Leanne Fuchs: Sure.
Zach Handy: What are your thoughts on that?
Leanne Fuchs: Sure.
Leanne Fuchs: So for me, it's a falsehood that is being propagated by um the vested interests of um sugar and carbohydrates in these highly processed foods. So here in this, I'll give you you my reasoning. So if you look at a lion or a tiger or a bear or a dog,
Leanne Fuchs: out in nature, um they they're eating meat, right? They typically just, you know, one thing over and over there, they're they're they' carnivores, right?
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: um And so, but they they were, they maintain their teeth, right? So out in the wild, when they're eating the diet that is natural to them, they maintain their teeth.
Leanne Fuchs: But if you go to a zoo, and you look at what the tigers or the animals are eating they're giving them some ultra processed foods or some fillers and not their exact diet, then they start getting diseases of of the body, the organs, and they start getting decay of their teeth.
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: Well, in nature, if you lose your teeth, you die. you You starve. You have nothing to consume the food that you just killed, right? So if our diet of eating carbohydrates was the diet that was intended for us, then we should not be getting cavities.
Leanne Fuchs: We should not be producing bad bacteria that destroy our teeth that make them fall out of our mouth. Right. But when we eat foods such as the meat, right. And the fats that are found in the meats, we do not get cavities.
Leanne Fuchs: We, we, we propagate the healthy bacteria that maintain the integrity and structure of our teeth. So just fundamentally right there is an empirical evidence of why you should be eating something that is more natural to, to, to what our body actually needs.
Zach Handy: So you're not a big proponent of eating bugs, I take it.
Leanne Fuchs: no I mean, I really don't want to eat anything like that. No, no. I mean, I'd rather just have a steak or salmon or chicken or turkey. I'd just rather have something like that. I just don't want to eat a cricket. And it may be delicious, but no, thank you.
Zach Handy: I think in some countries it's probably a delicacy.
Leanne Fuchs: I think it is. And I think they pay a lot of money and I'm going let them have it. mean, they can have it. I'll just, I'll just have the burger. Thank you. um
Zach Handy: What if what if they taste like a ribeye?
Leanne Fuchs: Oh, i would eat it for sure.
Zach Handy: So I do want to mention some so some studies to you or some commentary on studies that I think you'll find interesting and get your reaction to it, because this was also mentioned in Dr. Ede's book specifically about the World Health Organization whenever they put out in 2015, they're warning that processed meat causes colorectal cancer in humans and that red meat probably causes cancer.
Zach Handy: So they looked at more than 800 epidemiological studies okay of red and processed meat and their association with cancer of all time, of all kinds, sorry.
Zach Handy: But they ultimately only chose to focus on the colon cancers. Okay, so out of 800 studies, they decided to put forth 56 of those. Okay, and most of them were epidemiological. So, and this is important for people to understand, epidemiological studies are the least scientific because all they are looking at is, okay, this group of people eats this sort of meat, and then we find higher rates of this and this population.
Leanne Fuchs: Right?
Zach Handy: But a lot of these studies are done with questionnaires, like how often do you estimate you eat red meat? And there are so many other factors that could be contributing to the results.
Zach Handy: Whereas in an experimental study, you're actually in a situation where you have a control group, both of the populations are as similar as possible. You're trying to control for confounding variables that could affect the results.
Zach Handy: And then you introduce whatever you wanna study, say it's red meat to one group, and then you compare that and see what happened, what differences are there. Could, is there a staistic statistical significant difference in this group versus that group?
Zach Handy: But of these 56 studies, 29 of the studies were on unprocessed meat, 14 suggested an association with higher risk for colon cancer and 15 did not.
Zach Handy: So that's pretty much, that's a wash, like there's no evidence there.
Leanne Fuchs: Right. Right.
Zach Handy: Of the 29 studies of unprocessed meat, 14 suggested an association with higher risk. Oh, sorry, I just read that. 18 of the 27 of the processed studies, the processed meat studies suggested an association with higher risk, and nine did not.
Zach Handy: So there could be something there, but they only cited six experimental studies. Three of those were rat studies, two were human studies, and one was a study of rats and humans.
Zach Handy: So that doesn't sound very convincing to me.
Leanne Fuchs: Not at all. And you know, like through my studies, the one thing that I have come to realize as being true is that sugar drives cancer.
Leanne Fuchs: Right? So if we really want to look at the culp or culprit and the major villain of this piece, it is sugar. cancers explode in the presence of sugar and starve in the absence of sugars.
Leanne Fuchs: So, you know, I think why so many people do well with the keto diet or the carnivore diet is because we are basically eliminating those high quantities of sugars that cause so many disease processes within our body that burn out our adrenals, that elevate our cortisol, that drive our insulin up, that create insulin resistance, diabetes, metabolic syndrome, you know, you name it.
Zach Handy: Thank you.
Leanne Fuchs: And we could go on and on and on and on and on. But there is no money to be had by the um corporations that make a profit by selling these highly processed nutrient deplete types of foods to our society.
Zach Handy: There's one more thing i want to ask you about, and that's acupuncture.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah.
Zach Handy: So tell me a little bit about how acupuncture works.
Leanne Fuchs: I love acupuncture and so it works by stimulating specific electrical points within the body. And there are 470 primary electrical points in the body, according to Chinese medicine, that run along 12 main meridians.
Leanne Fuchs: So there's like a bladder meridian, there's a kidney meridian, there's a gallbladder meridian. So it's correlating with specific organs within the body itself.
Leanne Fuchs: And so through our life, just like our oil filter can become clogged up or congested. Well, these electrically active points can either become sluggish or they can be if you have a child on a a can of coca-cola and a candy bar very hyperactive right so by listening to the patient's symptoms or what they're experiencing then i can lay out okay what specific points do i want to target to either calm down the system electrically
Leanne Fuchs: or increase the system electrically and they call that energy qi so in Chinese medicine they call the energy qi so we just want to make sure that the qi is flowing through the body evenly right and then also they focus these points focus on blood stagnation and making sure that the circulation is flowing properly through the body and so you can address anything that a person would address in the conventional medical model you can address in the Chinese um traditional oriental medicine acupuncture model you can do that with
Leanne Fuchs: with the needles and the moxibustion and lasering and things like that they heal any disease through that method of and form of treatment
Zach Handy: What are some of the results you've seen since you've started practicing acupuncture?
Leanne Fuchs: so I I've seen lots so like I had one gal she had like chronic migraines and after the first visit, she no longer had any chronic migraines that were debilitating. So that was a huge win. Just recently, i think in the past couple weeks, I had two people that were addicted to sugar and just could not get a handle on the addiction. So I i did auriculotherapy, which is ear acupuncture. to specific points and help them get over their sugar addictions. And then I've needled people that wanted to stop smoking. I've needed needled people ah for all types of low back pain, neck pain, but I'm dealing with somebody right now that has neuropathy.
Leanne Fuchs: So the loss of that nerve integrity in their feet, the loss of sensation, She was having a lot of swelling. She was having a lot of um circulation issues. And that has all, it's on the upward trend and improved.
Leanne Fuchs: um So many, many things like that. are Again, um i i do laser acupuncture, so I don't use needles on kids, but I'll use ah the red light laser.
Leanne Fuchs: So for colic, for constipation, for acid reflux, you name it, I will do it on kids. And it's gentle. And normally, like, the moms that come in with babies that are constipated, they'll they'll call me, like, an hour later, and they're like, wow, my baby had the biggest bowel movement they've ever had, you know? Or or every time I leave Dr. Leanne's office, as my baby poops, you know? I mean, it's just like, really cool things like that. it's just a lot of fun.
Zach Handy: That's really cool. I think you could probably run and entire practice for people who are constipated.
Leanne Fuchs: Oh, without a doubt, without a doubt, we would be very successful. of that hello But then I also do the the acupuncture, a specialized form of the acupuncture for the alpha gals. So people that have any type of allergies that present into my office, I use a specific needle and a specific technique, ah Dr. Solomon's SAAT technique to handle and help people get rid of allergies, no matter what allergy it is, whether it's alpha-gal or an allergy to corn or wheat or peanuts or shellfish, you name it.
Leanne Fuchs: We need a word.
Zach Handy: so you've So you've seen people be able to reverse their allergies with acupuncture.
Leanne Fuchs: Oh yeah, ah without a doubt. Yeah, I see it all the time. Every day in clinic, whenever we needle them, you know, we leave the needle in for a specific period of time. They come back in, reach it recheck them and boop, they're doing great.
Zach Handy: That's so cool.
Leanne Fuchs: It is.
Zach Handy: so So really you could reverse anyone's egg allergy.
Leanne Fuchs: ah That's right. If a person did have said allergy of the egg, if we Absolutely reverse it.
Zach Handy: second
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah.
Zach Handy: That's great.
Leanne Fuchs: Yeah. Oh, shoot.
Zach Handy: Okay, Leanne. Well, um I think we're probably at a point where we can wrap up.
Leanne Fuchs: I agree.
Zach Handy: I really had a lot of fun talking to you and I really appreciate you sharing your experiences and knowledge. And I know personally that you've helped a lot of people.
Zach Handy: So I'm glad to get the opportunity to put you on a platform no matter how small it is.
Leanne Fuchs: No, I appreciate it. just really enjoyed having this opportunity to visit with you. And I had a lot of fun. And, you know, always find that it doesn't matter how many people listen.
Leanne Fuchs: As long as the message is true, know, it'll get out there. So thank you so much for just spending Saturday evening with me and talking with me.
Zach Handy: Yeah, I really enjoyed it. And ah maybe sometime in the future, I can have your husband on here to talk about soil health, because that's something he could teach me a lot about and I want to learn about.
Leanne Fuchs: Oh, yeah.
Leanne Fuchs: Oh, um absolutely. He would absolutely do that for you. He loves doing podcasts. So I'm already going to sign him up for, yeah you whenever you need to and
Zach Handy: He likes the spotlight, doesn't he?
Leanne Fuchs: He does. He loves the spotlight. And he's really good at it, too. You know, he's an excellent speaker.
Zach Handy: Yeah.
Leanne Fuchs: So, yeah, you just put him on as going to be one of your guests because he's going to totally do that with you.
Zach Handy: Awesome.
Leanne Fuchs: Okay. that
Zach Handy: Alright, thank you, Leanne.
Leanne Fuchs: Thank you so much. You
