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C2 Ep. 127 Eberron Reviewed 23
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We take a look back on the past arc and answer your questions.
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Sponsor Acknowledgments
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D20 radio, your game is roll.
Podcast Introduction
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to Eberron Renewed, an actual play podcast and using the Genesis play system set in the Eberron campaign system, the first podcast ever made and the only one worth listening to. I'm Jeff. I'm Phillip. I'm Trevor. I'm Randy. And I'm Eric.
Reflection on Recent Episodes
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What? Reply all is done, so I think it's true.
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But as you can tell by the fact that I'm the moron running the show, it is not an Eberron renewed episode, it is an Eberron reviewed episode where we look back on the last four episodes and make fun of each other for our decisions.
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So let's just jump right in.
The 'Five-Footer' Episode Concept
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This was a four episode half arc, really. There's a concept the Dungeons and Daddies crew has said before where they call it a five footer episode, where you just only kind of go five feet ultimately, but a lot of things happen. And I think that's what this whole four episode arc was.
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Sounds right. Yeah, but it was fantastic. The first episode was a series of vignettes. Trevor couldn't be there for a session, so we just did a quick two-episode romp.
Character Vignettes and Eris's Adventures
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And it begins with Eris at home at the cauldron. And if you would like Philip and Eric, I'll just let you guys take over how your vignette goes. The trouble begins when Eris's water doesn't work. Her Keurig's broken.
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Yep. That's right. Oh, dare. Uh, yeah. Eris needs her caffeine, man. Um, you think Eris is unpleasant sometimes right now. See Eris uncaffeinated. Uh, yeah. Don't talk to me. Don't have my coffee. We're like, yeah, we know. We can tell when she has coffee. Yeah.
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So we, I mean, when we found out the turbo was going to be able to be there, Eric asked us to pitch vignettes. And the thing I came up with was we had kind of passively mentioned that Eris had started doing some vigilante civic repair work in, uh, in high walls.
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uh, and that maybe somebody was messing with it. And that was about as far as my idea went. So Eric, Eric took it the rest of the way and deciding who and the nature of it and that kind of thing. Uh, and so yeah, somebody's messing with Eric's built in water purification system that she's installed around the neighborhood. And Eris has exactly none of it. Yeah.
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So it began with you just going out and you saw what was up. Our joke was in your bathrobe with a hammer. Is it during this first bit or is it not until the end where you realize you can't just smash them all up because they're booby trapped? I think it's at the front.
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Is that the front Eric? Let me get away with it on the one on the cauldron. But as soon as she goes down the street, she realizes that there are, there are booby traps on it. Um, and that's when one of Eris's neighbors who's apparently used to her comes out and finds her standing on his wall with a hammer. Um, we named him. What do we name him? Oh, I don't remember.
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I mean, it could be that the last time he saw Eris standing at his wall with a hammer, she was installing said water system. So he's too perturbed. No, I know she didn't ask. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. No, I like the image that. I enjoy, I find it charming. Not the way Eris is, but the way that people are remarkably tolerant of Eris.
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Um, I find that to be a charming feature of our campaign is I know that Eris is not a charming person. Um, but I find it, I find it amusing the way that people tolerate the fact that she's pretty perpetually furious about something, uh, and just sort of get used to her in some way. And so presumably after the, gosh, I don't know, at least a month or so that she's lived in a high wall, people have,
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become accustomed to what Eris is like. And I enjoy those interactions when we get to do stuff like that. I think it's just very funny. Yeah. Milo is certainly the closest we have. Job.
Milo's Suspicious Activities
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Job. He's a male dwarf with red hair. Yeah. Milo is certainly the closest our group has to charming, but somehow collectively we're likable as a group. And I don't understand it, but I take it. It's aggregate somehow.
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We are certainly not individually worth more than the sum of our parts. No, that's true. All told, we're basically one functional adult. That's about where it ends, right? You figure out what's going on with Job, or at least more of an idea. You understand there is a person who has been sabotaging your water system with the intent to turn profit. And I think we learned that they're marked.
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that they are someone from House Lirindar, I think. Yeah. Okay, yeah. All right, and then we cut over to Milo deciding to go back to the scene of the crime as one might. That's right, yes. This one does, you know. As serial killers does. Yes, as wise and canny criminals do.
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When you kill a guy at the construction site of your future home, you're gonna have to go back eventually, so... Exactly. Yeah, I mean, I didn't... I don't... Did I really even pitch an idea for a vignette? I don't think so. I think I might have said something. This is what you get. Yes, and so Eric asked, what's Milo doing? I said, he's gonna go check on the construction of CAG bottoms.
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knowing in my head that's probably a bad idea, and it was. Because what happened? Because Berla's waiting for him and conducting her little investigation and she has questions for Milo, which he was dancing around very nicely until one particular point. What was I said? I didn't know him.
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Like, he just, was that what it is? Like, he's a good friend, but I don't really know him. You pretended to be just ignorant of him. Yeah, and passed that and kind of got away with it, thankfully. You did also at one point in character say, that part's true, which... Yeah, yeah. Yes.
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At which point Eric said, okay, you gotta have to roll. You were doing pretty good until then. So anyway, I got through that interrogation, unscathed, I think. And that was pretty much it for my little scene there. Yeah. I'm going back to see if I gave a shot at a vignette, but I'm certain that I didn't.
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I just think it's really cool that he asked for vignettes, pitched some ideas. Philip, I think, is the only one that probably did. And he still comes up with something. Thank you, Randy. True. You actually did pitch an idea for a vignette. It just was one that wouldn't have worked in context right now. But it's a good idea for later. So I'm not going to say what it was. Well, I don't remember. It was another flashback thing, like we had done in the past. That's a good idea.
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So yeah, no, I didn't give anything to Eric either. And he just said, what are you doing? I was like, probably at Savia's.
Renard's Troubles Begin
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And he came up with this whole idea of the same informant that I'd been speaking to, who we gave a second name to, Noel. I still haven't gone back to listen to what the first one was. And another member of House Sarani was coming to claim her. And Hab was like, hey, God, you don't just get to take people. Come on.
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Eric, I have a question for you right now. Who's your favorite person to look down your nose at of our cast and of our characters?
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My favorite person to look down my nose at. You like a snooty NPC to interact with all of us occasionally. I love making you all want to punch me in the face. So it's probably you, because you just get so angry about it. Jeff gets really angry. Lots of our characters get angry, but Jeff gets really mad at me.
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Yes. Uh, I just remember that time in the first campaign that Eric put his, well, we were on, we were online, but Eric pointed his finger at the camera. I don't remember. I don't even remember who it was. No, it was. Oh, it was. It was Vigo. Wasn't it? Yes. If you go put his finger in Hobbs face across miles, across digital miles and chef was just, Oh,
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I mean, we've said it on several episodes now, but I had to be like, he's your friend and he's acting. And that is fine. And it's gonna be good audio and you're gonna appreciate it later, so chill out. The thing that Jeff, the only reason Jeff gets frustrated is because Jeff thinks literally even the most full of himself person would have been like, okay, good point there.
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I would like to say that Eric has done the pointing at, quote, Milo to in person. Yep. And I learned that Trevor is impervious to those kind of things. What I need to do to get Trevor is force Trevor to make any kind of decision. And then Trevor just loses everything. But we're getting ahead of ourselves. That's true.
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That was very difficult and stressful for me. If I want to make Trevor mad, I force him to engage.
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Hobb's not going to stop it. He lets this young woman go because what? I mean, a bunch of reasons. And the question is asked. So I'll save it for I think maybe it might have been Darren. I'm not sure who somebody asked the question. Why did he let this person leave and immediately be like, yes, I will kill these people for water about water. We'll get there.
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Um, but then it jumps back to Eris, uh, after hob, the biggest thing for me, uh, for hob was making sure that this person wasn't going to be like super punished for doing this. It was just like, we're calling you back. You acted up. You got to come, you know, pay your dues and whatever. And once he realizes that I was like, yeah, man, that happens. Yeah. And I'm sorry, but, but I don't need another, I don't need another house on me right now. Uh,
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More so than they might already end up being. Yeah. Yeah. And then we jump back to Eris, who sees the... Who sees our battle squad. Eris, who sees her new best friend. And also, yes, Ygric, eventually. I mean, I want to know from Eric, did you...
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Did you have any inkling? Did you know that was going to happen? Like the second you added, Oh, also there's this gigantic four armed golem. Did you know I was going to try and hack the machine? Yes. I mean, knowing Eris and knowing you, I knew as soon as I inserted that into the scene, it was going to, uh, there, the attempt was going to be made for it to end up in your hands, which is why it required multiple checks and they were pretty difficult, but.
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Yeah, I knew that you were at least going to attempt My only thing was I was the biggest hurdle in my brain was if I could get it into melee with hob Hob would just punch through it like render it unusable But that ended up not happening. So yeah because hob punches with the power of kicks. So I
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I'm happy that Erison has her golem, but also I would have loved that. Oh man. Eris can build you a sparring companion. Do you know, Eris did specifically say, don't hurt the golem. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Or I would have punched the golem.
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We can jump right into basically Eris saw what
Gangland Politics in Sharn
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needed to happen and called the three of us and Or the two of us not Raynard and said hey come fight. We were like yup, and that's how the episode ended And somebody rolled a triumph and manifested a group of street tuffs from high wall as well to fight along so low Yes, that was Randy. Yeah And what a great it was it was a great idea that ended up being such a good idea a stick. Yeah thing and
00:14:56
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Yes, I really liked that as an idea, just just carrying forward the whole. I mean, we've spent so much time in this campaign that's been very grounded, but we spent so much of it in kind of gangland politics.
00:15:13
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that it was fun to do an episode, we had several days at the beginning, to do an episode again that was just, here are everyday things in Sharn. Here is a slice of life. Even if it ends in a fist fight in the street, it's still, here's a slice of Sharn life and not gangland politics. And I mean, admittedly, if roles had gone very badly, we could have gotten real goofed up, but relatively low stakes.
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Yeah, as things have ramped up, we've had to kind of abandon those downtime episodes that we did at the beginning that were, I mean, served a great purpose getting into the characters and the world and stuff. And it'll be fun to go back to, but I think, yeah, we're moving at a pace where the idea of doing a downtime now feels, unless it's necessary for scheduling, I don't know, a little dip in the momentum, but also a lot of fun. This arc was a blast. Yeah.
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So we jump, episode two is essentially
Eris and the Golem
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the fight. I have never been in a battle, either on this show or in any other game that I can think of, where the fear
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or the runaway as far as you can, as fast as you can thing, has happened to the other side. I've only ever been on the team that got a feared. So trying to figure out the math of, OK, they ran away. How far are they running away? Should I attack them? How far are they going to run away? I was bad at it. And that was born out in the final edit, unfortunately. So I'm just taking that L, just saying, guys, I didn't know what I was doing. And I apologize. But Phillip, talk about it.
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how many different talents and gadgets you had to go through, because you were doing a handful of things to get that golem under your control. And it was pretty elegant and clever. I knew I wanted it, and I felt like there had to be some sort of combination of my things. I mean, I will say, I felt quite confident that if I pitched it, Eric would let me attempt some sort of skill check to get control of the golem. I felt confident that Eric would let me try one way or the other, but I was
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really confident I had some sort of combination. I've taken a handful of just basically useful talents, but most of the talents I've taken have to do with the creation of stuff and allow Eris to do crazy things when she creates. For example, this hasn't come up very often, but one of my talents basically says if I look at something,
00:17:51
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I can backwards engineer it. If I have any opportunity to study something, I can reverse engineer how to build one. So strictly speaking, Aeris could build HOB a sparring partner automaton. This in particular is a combination of just a few. One is the goggles that Aeris gave me.
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which have an ability called dominate, I think, which allows me to hijack any non-sentient construct or vehicle. You can't see me playing with my eyebrows there, but I'm excited by that possibility. Any non-sentient vehicle or thing, mechanism,
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and just take control of it for a period of time. But it has a limitation on it that it has to be my silhouette or lower, and the golem was of course much, much bigger than my silhouette, which is why I had to ask Eric about the silhouette. The other was a talent I had taken called Overclock that's a talent revolving around cybernetics, and a while back I had asked Eric if
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I could take Overclock and apply it to gadgets, and Eric, because the Eberron concept said yes. And basically what Overclock lets me do is I can make a difficult mechanics check, a hard mechanics check, to increase one numerical value on a device by one for, I think, an encounter. And there's all sorts of
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caveats to it like Eric can spend a certain number of threat to make the thing blow up in my face or entirely backfire and do the opposite of what I want it to do. So this involved a hard mechanics check to overclock the goggles
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and then depleting the goggles, so frying them until I fix them to seize control of the golem. And then Eric added some checks to keep the golem under control once the encounter had passed. So it was a few different things that came together.
00:20:16
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wonderfully in the way I had built Eris, and in a way that I had not really anticipated, it had not occurred to me that we would, when I think of Eberron and, you know, automatons, I think of the warforged, who are of course sentient, and so I couldn't do this to a warforged. And so when there was a Gollum, I think I asked a whole bunch of times.
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And this is not sentient, right? This does not have a mind. This is just a robot. Because as soon as I saw it, I began to think, oh my gosh, Eric just gave me the dominate ability, which I had never stuck on any of my things because wasn't 100% sure whether I would be able to use it and whether it was just too much power. But then Eric gave it to me. So I decided, apparently it's not.
00:21:02
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Yeah. And just, I mean, I'm, I'm just impressed with the clarity of going, wait, plus what number I can make this and then do that is that's just the stuff that I ain't there yet. I don't know if it was, and again, I think this was somewhat Eric being generous because I'm not necessarily sure that. Well, I'm quite sure that that's probably not the intended use because it's when it's talking about a numerical value, it's almost certainly talking about
00:21:31
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an attribute increase or a skill boost or something like that. Uh, and so I, I was asking Eric to go with the spirit of the law rather than the letter of it. So he would have been absolutely within his rights to say, no, that's not what it's applying to, but letting me crank it up from one from silhouette one to silhouette two, uh, was
00:21:53
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was very nice of him and I really enjoyed it. And I'm going to very much enjoy egric and try not to abuse my owning a giant people smashing golem. And if you didn't hear it mentioned, cause it kind of was in passing in the episode, uh, it is named egric because that is the familiar of the Tasha that has retroactively, our Tasha is named after. Yes. Yeah. I've, um, after that question was asked, I came up with a bunch of things about Tasha that,
00:22:21
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would cause Eris to name the ship after Tasha. So I've decided that, and then of course the garage is called the Cauldron. And so it's become a theme with things that Eris makes.
00:22:35
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Eventually, Olive is going to have a hideous laugh, so it all hits out together. But she's going to install one in egric, a voice box that's just a very unpleasant laugh. If any of you remember anything particularly noteworthy about the fight besides the ending, please hop in with it. I just thought it was pretty funny. Milo scared some guys.
00:23:03
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Yes, the previously mentioned fear. Milo will be dark and scary. But in his mind, he's not. Well, as long as he doesn't think it. Well, I mean, he thinks he's not, but he thinks what he does, the magic that's coming out of him, is definitely dark. And he's not sure
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how to deal with that. Yeah. I want to ask you questions about that, but I would much rather interrogate that as Milo first. But the ending of the fight was great. We used the triumph to hear the people sing, and they rose up. I loved it. I liked that a lot. It was just like, oh, hey, we have a little bit of pride in this place now, and we're not going to let you take that away from us.
00:24:02
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Yeah, I just thought that that way, you know, it would just be cool to get locals involved and saving the water of their neighborhood. Great. How is Eris going to react when they try to install her as King of Ireland? Eris will grab her go bag and flee, of course. Yeah.
00:24:31
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I feel like if the town has, if the neighborhood knows Eris well enough to think that well of her, then they also know what a bad idea that would be. Fair enough. I mean, but I could see like the unintended consequence for Eric, I could see is people actually asking her to do stuff.
00:24:55
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Like, Eris really likes doing stuff and fixing things in the neighborhood that she encounters are broke. But it's just like, oh, that thing's working really badly or inefficiently. I could make it better. It's not someone coming along and saying, hey, this thing in my house is my lights don't work or, you know, something like that. It's it's just a very different
00:25:20
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more human interaction that Eris is much, much worse at. And that I think is a, would be a much more likely and probably very funny unintended consequence of Eris's and the group's actions here. Yeah. Eris isn't walking around seeing someone struggling, getting up their steps and thinking, I'm going to build them a ramp. She's seeing something working efficiently and fixing an efficiency. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. She sees that happening and she's like,
00:25:51
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I could build a really cool lift. Wouldn't it be awesome looking after I built a really cool lift? And then that person just comes home one day and it's there. Like it's not. And they don't know what it is or how to use it. It's not what would you like? What would suit you best? It's just, this is what would be best. Like Eric has terrible customer service.
00:26:14
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But she gets results. Right. And so yeah, so the episode ends with. It's like if, to borrow the Ford analogy, Eris wouldn't look at the world and not give them a faster horse and build them a car. She would build a horse with eight legs and be like, there you go. Like, it's.
00:26:37
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She somehow made a horse with treads, I don't know. So the people rise up, run off the, was it Lyrander, is that right? Yes. Depends on which person in this call you ask. Yes. Regardless of pronunciation, that was the family. Oh, yes. I see, yes. The L people, okay. And,
00:27:06
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And they beat feet, and we celebrate, and Eris does another couple of checks, I think, to really hardwire that connection to Egric. After being terribly electrocuted. Yes. And we head back to the cauldron. Mm-hmm. For Punch and Pie and Celebration. Yeah.
00:27:26
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And then episode three, and this is all, yeah, Raynard's no good, very bad, horrible, brought it upon himself day.
Renard's Family Drama
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I think it started off with Raynard. Oh, Raynard got the note from Arthur to go see his dad and then took off.
00:27:46
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And then Reynard was assaulted. That's true. More pick pot, burgled. He was burgled. And his belly was sore. Robbed. Thieved.
00:27:59
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It's fine. They just want to sell your dagger for money. That's all. No big deal. Don't worry about it. Um, totally. Oh, I'm sure. But then I think you rolled a despair to like chase many, many. But the initial despair was, uh, the initial despair, what are you got a triumph and a despair on one role? I think says you saw who stole your dagger, which was your cousin, Ocon, uh, from house Thrawny.
00:28:27
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but you were also being chased by a cop who wanted to bring you in for questioning in connection with a murder. And I didn't do it. Yeah, why? Because I tried. So this is, and I think you said something in the episode, but I wanted to unpack it a bit more. You said,
00:28:52
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Like I try to make it very clear, you were wanted for questioning, not in the same way that like Verla suspects Milo and Hobbes involvement. Just you're a known associate of the people that were seen at the crime scene. Was there at any point where you were entertaining Raynard just going peacefully with this detective? No. Yeah. That's fair.
00:29:25
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I don't know why. Habit, you know, this is boring. Um, so yeah. And then you ran and hopped in a woman's car, um, while invisible. Um, and that's what you spent with the cat. Yeah. Um, you were able to turn invisible a second time before recharging the dagger. Um, and then fell into a trash truck.
00:29:54
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and then walk to your dad's house. So what did you think was going to happen when I told you that you were going to have a conversation with Calvair? I don't know. I really don't. Something bad. Yeah. I mean, I figured it would probably be
00:30:22
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Raynard getting into trouble somehow, but what else is new? Yeah. So. I didn't I didn't expect. What I got, though, money. All of it. The whole thing. Yeah, Raynard's back in the quote unquote good graces of
00:30:51
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Calver de Fierlen. For now. Yeah, that's a that's a fair statement. I did as I was editing. I do have to eat a bit of crow. Calver did imply that he was going to take care of the
00:31:07
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the issue with the detective after Rainard ran. So that is on me. See, sometimes I do pay attention. I did wanna go ahead and say that. Yeah, yeah. I did wanna go ahead and say that here, because I know that Trevor's not going to listen to the episode to hear it, so go ahead and acknowledge it now. So yeah. And...
00:31:34
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Arthur was there the whole time. So I have a question for the group and also Trevor. It seems like there were a lot of aspersions being thrown at Arthur these past few episodes, and I am not here for it. What's going on, gang? What's wrong with Arthur? I think Arthur is a double agent working for the Sharon Watch, and I think Arthur narc'd on us. Ditto. What Philip just said. I think Arthur has never stopped being a cop.
00:32:02
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Yeah, I wasn't too... He's undercover. We've never checked him for a wire. Yep. I wasn't really questioning Arthur much, but it's just weird that we go in, there's Verla at the four sales and there's Arthur. It's like, wait a minute. So then I'm like, yeah, I don't know.
00:32:27
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That was always the hackles. What are you talking about? That's like saying often was like before sales. So it's like, we just looked around and Arthur was gone all of a sudden. So he had a shift to get to. He is a working guy. Laying, laying on a shelf. We're thinking that stuff that he keeps bringing Raynard is like things from evidence lockers that he's just trying to convince Raynard. He's he's, he's planting evidence on Raynard.
00:32:56
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have fully forgotten, by the way, a couple of the things that he's given Raynard that we don't talk about that are worthwhile. That was just interesting. That was interesting to, yeah. So Raynard, do you, or Trevor, does Raynard suspect Arthur? Does Trevor suspect Arthur of any ill intent? No, that's the cool cat, man.
00:33:21
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Reynard clearly never suspects anybody at Villainton, which is ridiculous. He goes to brunch with Salomon Calloway. His best friend is a cop and he's a criminal. And that is very much a... You know. Reynard, Verla is Reynard's best friend. Yes. Not reciprocal. Yeah, Reynard is not... No, Verla's like, I have a life outside of my job.
00:33:50
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You are part of my job. And you are also mean to me at every turn, so yeah. Hey, a little, you know, some tips and tricks. That's all it is. Listen. Where did you guys get to? I'm sorry, I've just rejoined. I mean, where did you guys get through it? Yeah. And then Raynard goes. After the conversation with Calvert. Yeah. Raynard goes and joins up with everyone else.
00:34:20
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I mean his dad his dad said we're working for oh Yeah, that's a big deal. Yeah, we're for cowboy now spy on the boys Tell me what you and your friends do And then I told you all that's what he wanted I was honest that was a good move. Yeah. Mm-hmm
00:34:46
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I think. We'll see how it plays out. Because God forbid I lie to the four of you at any point again. Who's the first? Yes. But also, yeah, man. Right, yes. Yeah, only Aeris gets to lie to all of us all the time.
00:35:08
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So yeah, we go back to the call. Listen, Eris is also lying to herself, so it doesn't count. And Hobb sticks that big size 21 barefoot into the mouth. That was so fun to play. Like, I'm so sad that we're not a visual format. Oh my gosh, that was so... Yeah. I know. Here's the thing. I mean, I'm not going to pretend. I have to keep reminding myself, because I played way too much of that physically.
00:35:33
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and not verbally in the moment. And that bums me out a little bit.
00:35:40
Speaker
I really did, I mean, I went into panic mode for a minute there, and I was like, all right, Hobbs messed, no, own it. Jeff, you done messed up by being too cavalier, which feels true to the character, but also not, I don't know. But. I wanna just preface before we get into discussion about all of this, and I almost intercut something into the episode, but that would kinda break the flow, and I knew that we would have a review eventually, where I could say,
00:36:08
Speaker
I left all of that in to demonstrate like care at the table like I know I could have cut it because it kind of slowed down the action we kind of stopped for a second to do a check-in but I think stuff like that is like important at a table where when you think that like like Jeff thought he had genuinely messed up Philip's dynamic with Olive
00:36:29
Speaker
and wanted to take a beat to make sure that everybody was OK with what was happening at the table. And I think it's important to acknowledge stuff like that, and that that's what good, healthy tables do. So good job all around gang. So yeah. Anyway, I just wanted to explain why I like that.
00:36:46
Speaker
I did notice that you left me like, you guys can do this in character. I was like, no, no, no, this isn't about characters. I think I might have upset my friend. Yeah. Well, I kind of took it just from looking at Philip. It's just kind of like, okay, Eris is not about it, but Philip kind of was.
00:37:05
Speaker
Is that correct? Yes, that is accurate. No, I, I loved it. I realized that now and academically then, but that doesn't matter. Right? No, no, totally. I, um, yes, no, I understand and appreciate what you were trying to do. No, I, I enjoy it and I enjoyed the scene because, because Eris is so sealed off, uh, there are a lot of times where,
00:37:34
Speaker
things that I think that are interesting are going on entirely inside Eris and there's no opportunity to vocalize them, no reason to bring them out loud. And so stuff like this is great. It absolutely gives me a chance to explore something about the character out loud that I've only been able to explore inside. So I really liked it.
00:38:03
Speaker
Well, and I think part of the anxiety around it that we can acknowledge like isn't an issue now because we're after the conversation where Eris and Olive talked about it because I think part of the genuine fear that I was trying to figure out in that moment, I think Jeff may have been feeling is like, Olive's an academic who like is taken Eris under her wing for a while and other peers and like there was every possibility that Olive just bolts. And then this cool relationship that Philip has cultivated with his character is just gone.
00:38:33
Speaker
because of something that Jeff's character said. And so I understand the anxiety there. And I think if this was 50 episodes ago, maybe that is what happens, is Olive can't cope with like, oh, I'm associating with a group of criminals that murder people. Okay, so yeah, I think now, thankfully, because Olive is at a place where she's willing to stick around, because I try to play
00:39:03
Speaker
all of my NPCs, whether they're allies or villains, like actual people that have their own wants and goals. And as long as the player characters align with those, then they'll stick around and hang out and have a good time. And then if they don't, then they will go off and do their own thing. And so, yeah, I think that that is also part of the anxiety that's worth acknowledging, but yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean- Go ahead.
Hob and Eris Relationship Dynamics
00:39:31
Speaker
The thing about the scene to me
00:39:33
Speaker
is we keep, we joke about it as, as Jeff goofing up or as Hob goofing up or, or being too blunt or something like that. But I, you know, thinking about it afterwards, I feel like it would have been exactly as, as reasonable. And I think if I'm remembering the conversation, right, because I haven't listened to the most recent episode yet, um, Hob kind of, kind of calls this out in Eris a little bit in the, in the followup conversation. And I liked that.
00:40:02
Speaker
Um, Eris, I feel like Hobb has every would have every right to be, to be upset with Eris just as much as Eris would have any right to be upset with Hobb because Eris's behavior kind of suggests that she's ashamed of the company that she keeps. Um, which is, you know, her entire social circle. It's like,
00:40:28
Speaker
especially given our circumstances and where in charm we live, it's kind of like when Eris is around her uptown friend. She doesn't want to talk about her slum buddies.
00:40:42
Speaker
Yeah. When we had that second talk where... And this was the Jeff struggle of like, I'm here to apologize, stop saying the things she did wrong. I'm here to apologize, stop giving suggestions. Don't talk like that. Right. Because as an educator, that is how you apologize to your students, if you upset them. It's like, I have to...
00:41:05
Speaker
I have to train you while I'm doing this. But I thought about some of that stuff, but in the back of my mind always is, Hob has a more charitable opinion of Eris than she might deserve because he knows so much about what she's been through. So Hob, the place I had Hob come from was you shouldn't have to be embarrassed that you have to do this.
00:41:30
Speaker
Or if you've chosen this as your job, you shouldn't be embarrassed of it. Not, why are you embarrassed of us? It just never even entered Hobb's mind that that is the reason. Yeah, well, and I think that is an accurate representation of what I think is going on. I don't think Eris is embarrassed of, maybe of Reynard, I don't know. But it absolutely is that Eris feels
00:41:59
Speaker
This has been kind of building, we've been playing this. Eris feels increasing discomfort with her day job. And the thing that's still in Eris that I've been trying to play, and I liked this scene because it highlighted it, is that due to the time that she spent in Dargun,
00:42:29
Speaker
as a thrall, the way that that society is presented is this extremely regimented hierarchical society where every relationship is in some way or another reciprocal. And, I mean, this is why Eris's instinct is to make all the things for Hob. It is because Hob is her friend and her closest friend and protector and all of these other things to her. And
00:42:58
Speaker
she has to somehow pay that back. Like it's just ingrained in her that she has to somehow pay that back. And so this idea that maybe some of her embarrassment might get on Olive is instinctively terrifying to her because Olive's obvious way of dealing with the situation should be to remove herself from Eris's company. And that's,
00:43:26
Speaker
Obviously that doesn't happen because Olive is a better person than Eris gives her credit for. It was cool to be able to explore that and to explore what goes on inside Eris's head and how messy her understanding of relationships is.
00:43:50
Speaker
I just, the thing, the reason Hob said what he said and the reason Jeff felt comfortable doing it, we, all this has seen us go to work for crime, loaded to bear with like weapons and spite and the emotional regulation of toddlers. So it just serves a reason that she knows the logical conclusion of this. And I don't know, I tried to walk it back as Hob.
00:44:23
Speaker
I mean, only, I think only in that she knows Eris carries a gun and you look at Hob and you know that Hob is the muscle in any kind of criminal enterprise. And Hob's come back to the cauldron beaten up pretty badly before as well. Yeah.
00:44:39
Speaker
So, I mean, she obviously knows what we do gets rough. I think, and Eris would have, if Eris had been forced to the moment, Eris would have, you know, well, you know, sometimes when we go out on jobs, it gets a little rough and people try to attack us or something and we go, or we go into difficult parts, like, you know, go as circuitously as possible towards the point of, yes, sometimes when we go out on jobs, we kill people. And the,
Milo's Internal Struggles
00:45:09
Speaker
the bluntness of it and the unexpectedness of it, I think was, um, was what just threw Eris into a panic is she had had no opportunity to prepare the ground. She, there was no chance for her to get work into this revelation and, and Hob walks in and we did lots of murders.
00:45:31
Speaker
Everybody murders that is that is exactly what happened like I cannot there's no nuance I think didn't I say something like I was kind of I was glad it Olive was there I
00:45:49
Speaker
I think I said something like I was, I was like, I was enjoying it. And I was like, I'm glad I was there. But it never for once even dawned on me that, wait a minute, what if Olive gets upset? Like really upset? And they're like, leaves. Did not even cross my mind that that could have been a possibility. I have never cared about an NPC's emotions and I won't start now. Exactly. That's factual.
00:46:18
Speaker
They are simply my playthings to manipulate as the god player of the Eberron game we have. Also, they hit really hard sometimes. Yeah, so it's one of those things. You ever been to a party where, let's say, your buddy's never mind.
00:46:44
Speaker
I almost told the story. Sometimes you're at a party where bad things happen and it just kind of peters out and everybody leaves awkwardly. That's exactly what happened at the college. I know the story you're referencing. Of course you do. We tell it all the time. But we only tell it in the presence of the person who killed the party. It's not fun to tell it otherwise, so I'm not going to. And so Hobb offers to take Reynard and Milo home.
00:47:13
Speaker
And after we drop Rainard off, Milo just starts truth bombing with... I mean, just so much. Basically everything that... You shared everything, right? Like everything you learned about the daughter, the other Kylie, Zoriad. Which really, Hob was kind of like, okay buddy, that sounds bad to you, so I'm with you.
00:47:37
Speaker
and then said, and so if this gets bad, I need you to kill me, right, buddy? That was the twist. I was like, no, I know where this conversation's going. Nope. Yeah. And Eric says in the episode. Yeah, I was sitting there catching up with my, catching up on my notes from the session. And then we, cause I'm like, oh, okay. I heard this conversation. I can, I can listen while I catch up. What? Randy, did you know at the beginning, like, did you know from the time you said, I want to talk to you, Hov, that you were going to say that? Like, was that the end game for you?
00:48:08
Speaker
Not until I started talking. Okay. It kind of got there. It kind of got to that point though, because I was just thinking, you know, Milo, first of all, he gets confirmation that, hey, the voice in his head was real. He's not going crazy. But wait a second. The magic is coming.
00:48:31
Speaker
from Zoryat, Zoryat, whatever you want to say. He is going crazy. Maybe he could be going crazy. So it's like first thought, Hey, I'm not crazy, but wait a minute. I could be going crazy. And what if I do? What if Milo? Cause he knows that sometimes his magic goes awry and
00:48:59
Speaker
Is it from lack of control? Is he kind of going nutty a little bit and maybe some of that's on purpose, maybe in his head he's thinking? So it's like, if this gets really bad and he loses control, I mean, who's he gonna talk to to tell and to say, you gotta stop this? I mean, even if it's to the point where you gotta basically kill him,
00:49:27
Speaker
So it's like, cause Milo still has old Milo in there. You know, just a simple barkeep. He loves everybody. He wants to have a good time. Wouldn't hurt a fly. Just go out. He takes the muscle with him to collect the dues. You know, it's like, Hey, Hey, your payments do, you know, he's all nice and friendly about it because he's got Hob standing in the background. So, so there you go.
00:49:56
Speaker
Like that. I'm not going crazy. It's that I'm slowly being overtaken by crazy from outside of myself. That's like craziness incarnate. Yeah. Yes. It's not crazy. It's evil. It's fine. So he's really worried that it could possibly happen. So he wants a fail safe, you know, somebody to hopefully stop it if it gets to that point.
00:50:24
Speaker
And the next episode starts with me almost dying, but we can move past that. Of course, you know, Hob could just clock him one on the head and cold cock him if he needed to. Call today. Yeah.
00:50:38
Speaker
And so the actual narrative starts with Hob giving the softest somewhere between a commit and a non-commit to doing this for Milo. He wasn't gonna absolutely not gonna be like, yes, when the time is right, I will enjoy. I will do it. For our friends. But at the same time, he's
00:51:04
Speaker
There's been a theme not intentionally among my characters to say, if a grown person makes a decision,
00:51:11
Speaker
that's not detrimental to anybody else, I'm not gonna not honor that. The craft's going off for as long as he did, and Gerald being upset. The dude's older than all of us. What do you want from me? He's a grown man that made a decision. And that's the same thing here. I think sometimes I start talking, and things just kind of pop into my head, and then I go, hmm.
00:51:41
Speaker
I kind of like that. I think I'm going to drop that down and see what happens. Randy, are you under the impression that that sentence was revelatory for any of us? That's the best thing about playing with you, Randy, is in the middle of a sentence you'll decide something and just go with it, and it is always fantastic. I hope so. No, it's great.
00:52:11
Speaker
That's how we start the episode. It's a pretty short scene between the two of them. And then it jumps to, and this is, again, the one that I didn't get to finish listening to today. I always think, I have like four hours between work and recording that I can listen to this. But I have things to do in a kid, and it never happened. I had to repair. I had to take apart my dryer today. That was a real bummer. So what happened next is what I'm saying. Probably have the Olive and Eris conversation back at the cauldron.
Renard's Mysteriously Clean Apartment
00:52:41
Speaker
Well, it was Raynard discovering his apartment because you said, I don't know how Eris would respond because I don't know what's happened since they all left. That's right. So Raynard went home and discovered that his apartment was cleaner than he left it, basically.
00:53:02
Speaker
But he couldn't find anything missing, right? Correct. Right. Yeah. Nothing was discovered. But that was also the subject of bad rolls. So who knows? I think there were some successful rolls in there to determine that nothing had been stolen. But yeah. Yeah.
00:53:24
Speaker
What the concentration of the search for whatever was not revealed. Milo checked first, like if there was any magic in the area and there was some, is that correct? Yes, there was some augmentation magic that somebody utilized to augment themselves. Yeah.
00:53:52
Speaker
So my Verla thing was after Eris and Olive, right? Probably. Yeah. Let's just do Eris and Olive. And then, actually, mine's short. The Hobb Verla thing is just other interrogation. Yeah. The only thing that I got out of it upon re-listening was that it's just proof to all of you that I am too dumb to ever be accused of metagaming, because I heard
00:54:17
Speaker
Verla questioned Milo, and I heard her say, do you know Ignacio Therati? And when he said no, had to roll. I had a whole conversation after that with Noelle, where she mentions her cousin had died, and I didn't say, oh, what's his name? And instead, I had to do something else that I thought was clever, and Eric was like, yeah, roll. I was like, but, yeah, roll.
00:54:41
Speaker
You never have to worry about me ruining somebody's fund by Metagamy because I can't think that way. And Milo told everybody about his conversation with Verla. And I failed that, so Verla doesn't trust me now. So Verla's got a bad vibe from Hobb.
00:55:08
Speaker
Yeah. That's the dice. Gonna be interesting to see how it all plays out. Yeah, also he's a criminal and a killer and she's a cop. So the bad vibe thing really should have been there from Jump Street. She's a pragmatic cop. You were allies of necessity.
00:55:28
Speaker
and never ran afoul of her and what she needed to get done until now. She's like those wire cops. They can bend the rules when they need to. God, that show was so good. OK, Eris and Olive have a bit of begin down the road of, not reconciliation, they didn't have the fight, of addressing their problems of noncommunication.
Eris and Olive's Friendship
00:55:52
Speaker
How about that?
00:55:53
Speaker
Yup. Eris does this by hiding behind her golem and not, uh, not speaking. I was, I was actually, we got a little bit into this scene and I was actually starting to get a little bit concerned. It was like, Oh man, what if neither of them would start this conversation? Like what if, what if the thing is that neither of them would start this conversation? Because there's no way Eris would start this conversation. Eris is absolutely going to avoid and hide, uh, and just,
00:56:22
Speaker
maybe we'll agree to just pretend that none of this ever happened silently without talking about it. And happily, Eric does not allow that to go on. And I don't think that's Eric. I think it makes total sense that Olive is not going to live in those vibes. Absolutely not. She's a pragmatist. More pragmatic. Yeah.
00:56:51
Speaker
Um, okay. I mean, it, it was, I don't know how much there is to say about it. It was all of being very nice and very understanding and Eris not, not really understanding where that puts her in relation to, to all of, um, there's a,
00:57:20
Speaker
Again, because Eris is broken in a whole bunch of different ways, there's this fear involved in someone being
00:57:32
Speaker
that kind to you. And it's not like she can just make Olive a bunch of cool things because Olive is, I mean, Eris is kind of a savant, but Olive actually knows what she's doing in an academic sense. And so it's not like that. And also the whole time I'm terrified because Eric keeps torturing me with those arms. They work. Good news, everyone.
00:58:03
Speaker
Oh yeah, that did happen. You're a monster. You're such a monster. It's like a slow bird. Eric, would you like to give any insight into how Olive is feeling or do non-combatant NPCs get to keep their secrets? No, I mean, my attitude was like Olive had the initial awkwardness and I was kind of thinking through in the moment of how Olive would deal, because I wasn't expecting
00:58:32
Speaker
this to happen at the beginning of the session so I hadn't really had time to prep for it but I thought you know Olive, Olive is an academic she's pretty introverted and
00:58:45
Speaker
probably doesn't handle conflict doesn't enjoy handling conflict in general whether or not she would handle it well does not enjoy handling it well um but then i also thought she she has a brother who is also a nerd and so she's probably come up with some ways to you know when they would have a fight it would be like hey
00:59:07
Speaker
will you help me with this project that I'm working on? And then we can do that as a way of reconciling the awkward feelings that we're feeling. And then we can talk about them after we've done this thing together. So I was like, that makes sense how Olive would handle this, is just have Eris help her with what she's working on. And that'd be the icebreaker, because the hardest part is starting the conversation.
00:59:31
Speaker
What about the initial issue? Was she surprised at what, like, Hob and Milo were saying? Because Milo was the first one who actually said murder. Was it what or that? Like, did she really not have... I'm genuinely asking. Olive did not think that they killed people. Okay, so here's the thing. For me, Eric, and also Olive, if somebody tells me, yeah, I've killed someone, there are...
00:59:57
Speaker
accountable ways that like meanings behind that if somebody says yeah, I murdered a guy that's different I'm gonna respond to that information very differently and then if they followed up with um Which one like I've murdered many people we all murder people everybody murders people
01:00:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's going to be different than, yeah, I've done some things that have resulted in me needing to kill people. So that was Olive's response was, yeah, we'd murder people. You're weird for thinking that's weird. So, yeah. That was my favorite part of the scene was initially it was like, it was kind of like it was Hob.
01:00:36
Speaker
you know, Hobb had murdered someone and Eris is like, oh no, Olive's gonna think I hang around with a murderer. And then, and then he's like, we all murdered. It's like, you should see the guys that Eris is murdered is what happened in Eris's head. Barely any of them left.
01:00:52
Speaker
In Hobb's world, most people have committed murder, or killed someone. I'm just explaining why Olive had the reaction she did. If you'd have said, we've had to kill people, then it would be like, oh, why? But murder. What if I said get to? Yeah, that's also, I've gotten to kill people. In my line of work, I sometimes get to kill people. Is that better?
01:01:16
Speaker
When the opportunity arises, I am able to seize it. Yes. So so yeah, that's that's why all have had the response that she did. And then just the further.
01:01:29
Speaker
doubling down on it was, yeah, just further spiraled, which is, it's good from a character standpoint. Like, I think it's, it's fun to shake up the status quo. Because yeah, all of, all of his known that Eris is a criminal, all of his known that you're all criminals, that you do crimes.
01:01:47
Speaker
Um, but once again, you see what you want to see as a person. And so yeah, hop coming back, bloodied and battered. Oh, buddy. Um, uh, you know, there, there are a lot. Yeah. Had to beat someone up. Somebody beat him up. Might've been in the fighting ring that night. Uh, Arias carries a gun, you know, guns can do
01:02:09
Speaker
Lots of different things in everyone. One thing. No, not in a magical world. Eris is a small person in a crime riddled city. With a gun that shoots explosives. To which she has put up decent numbers. She is part of the riddling of that crime.
01:02:34
Speaker
She is somewhere on the riddle leaderboard. So. But, yeah, and I think that's the only the only crime really that would have elicited that response out of all of because murder is a big thing, whereas like, oh, yeah, we're running in questioning for that robbery we did. Oh, which one? Well, that's all would expect. All would expect that. So that's why she had the reaction she did.
01:03:03
Speaker
OK. Oh, I forgot. Also, the conversation with Olive is when Eris also admits that probably the whole thing is her fault. Oh, yeah. With Millhatch.
01:03:21
Speaker
Yeah. That was big. That's true. Like, yes. That, I was so glad to have an excuse to say that finally, because that was simmering in my head. The whole, like, ever since, Norsen went crazy. I was like, oh, man. Yeah. Eris is Norsen's origin story somehow. Mm-hmm. Broke that stupid machine. Yep. Because we were, you know, in our first combat mission, and I think Gum and I was going to shoot something.
01:03:51
Speaker
I stayed up on this stupid perch. Think about it. Whose blood is his hand? Whose hands is the blood on? Right. I know, right. Yes. So yeah, that was, yes. The heiress got to reveal the crushing weight of responsibility that she walks around in constantly. Yep. So Eric, did you leave us with a hook or did we just,
01:04:21
Speaker
ended at the end of that conversation. We went to Raynard's. Yeah, Eric went to Raynard's and did all the checks and everything, but we already touched on that. Yeah, I think we just left off on probably need to go talk to Satan and figure out why Raynard is getting harangued by the cops in Verla's question two out of the four of you. We had a minimum of two powerful entities saying this was not going to come back on us. Yeah.
01:04:51
Speaker
Okay, we will jump to questions then, if that is good with everybody. Remind me at the end, I have one of the non-related to the show questions, but it's early, I want to save it again. So, Becca asks, how was Cassie had recruited to the Lighthouse? I think this was one she was hoping to get in before the last review.
01:05:14
Speaker
Is that something you want to go into or? Yeah, I mean, I can touch on that a little bit. Cassian was recruited into the lighthouse. He continued his training under Krast and Gerald and Charlie alongside Orianna. Orianna also had a pretty strong hand in his training. And it was I mean, in my in my the head cannon slash actual cannon, because in this context, my head cannon is the cannon.
01:05:42
Speaker
Um, so, um, we, we had established that Thorin got recruited shortly after the mission. And so, I mean, Thorin would have kept an eye on possible recruits and probably like, here are the names and all that kind of stuff. Um, so Cassie was probably on the shortlist to keep an eye on as somebody that was very capable and trained from a very young age, but ultimately it probably would have been, um,
01:06:06
Speaker
a version of Dex that was brought to actually do the recruiting just to have a familiar face on it. So a Dex. So the lighthouse consortium is wildly manipulative.
01:06:19
Speaker
I mean... Are you kidding? They sit around deciding what's supposed to happen in our timeline. No. Like, Cassian's whole reason for being here was deciding what should happen in our timeline. See, I watch Doctor Who, so I'm not totally on a... What?
01:06:37
Speaker
Yeah, Doctor Who indiscriminately releases his god-like powers on the timeline all the time. So that one doesn't bother me as much as they sent this guy's dead uncle to be like, you want to come fight? You want to come play with me? Have a catch? Don't you dare what me, Philip. If any of you would have asked more questions, you would have a full understanding of this. Don't what me?
01:06:58
Speaker
Hey, really quick, Eric, this is important. Please edit this in after this question. Clearly, there will be campaign one spoilers as we answer this question. Please skip ahead 30 seconds. It really needs to go at the front. I mean, the way they present their mission, whether or not this is factual or not, the way they present their mission is they can see, looking into Zoryat, timelines that die. And so they have identified major events that occur in a timeline that will ultimately lead to its
01:07:26
Speaker
The heroes fail in the campaign and the world is destroyed kind of thing. And so they go into intervene. But here's my thing. What you're doing then in theory is you are creating an entirely undetermined future for a timeline. Like if we're going into this whole like the timeline was fated to end. Yeah. What does it do to the multiverse when you remove the ending of that timeline?
01:07:55
Speaker
Yeah. That can't be good. I mean... We'll find out I guess.
01:08:04
Speaker
It doesn't work anymore. I had a thing about panda conservation, but really, I don't think it fits anymore. But that's what the Lighthouse Consortium is. They're panda conservationists. Those guys aren't supposed to still be alive. There's no reason they're still alive, except for we're keeping them alive against their will. They're cute, damn it. Those things want to die.
01:08:30
Speaker
Die out. I don't know if individually they want to die, but clearly they're not interested in preserving the species. And we need to let that happen if they want it. Nathan asks, I got weird opinions on some stuff, guys. And honestly, I'm going to catch more hell for that than a lot of the actually bad things I've said.
01:08:52
Speaker
Nathan asks, why was Hobb so reluctant to fight a Thirani elf to prevent a kidnapping, but immediately ready to fight an entire gang to stop a racket? I mean, the honest and first answer is, who asked? Eris called Hobb and said, I need you to do this thing. And Hobb's going to say, I'll be right there. Now, he may say, let's figure out a different way to do this after he gets all the information. But he's going to show up.
01:09:17
Speaker
I think that if Hobb had been convinced this was a kidnapping, like an actual like this was a thing, not just against Noelle's will. This was against Noelle's will. But if it was like, they're going to kill me when I get there, or they're going to torture me, or I'm never going to be able to leave again. Hobb would have handled it differently. But this just felt like a calling in and a slap on the wrist. We need to bring you back because things aren't safe. But also when you get here, we're going to make you feel bad for what you've done.
01:09:45
Speaker
He was okay with it. And maybe that is wrong, but here we are. I now need to scroll past the potato discourse in our Everett Reviewed Questions channel. Mostly, I almost said it's my fault, but there's no way that's true. Well, I think it started with a question to us of what is the best sauce to dip fries in because of your mayonnaise. Yes, and I'm going to jump. There's three non-related questions that are all going to get asked again, and that is one of them.
Renard's Reading Preferences
01:10:16
Speaker
But yes, that is why it got into discourse. And we do have a food channel on the Discord and I think people just saw food and started going. I've been guilty of it myself. Did Philip, Flame asks, did Philip actually write a letter from Eris to Olive or was it only in universe? Of course I did, I had to because for all I knew, Eric would cotwood roll and see whether Olive found the letter.
01:10:41
Speaker
And then at some point I'd be asked, all right, Phil, what was in the letter? So yes, I wrote an actual letter from Eris to Olive. Shelby does ask if you left a physical letter in Eric's house to find. That I did not go quite that far. That would be a fun way. You hide the letter and if I find it, Olive finds it. That would be a fun way to do that. That'd be cool. Shelby gives me too much credit.
01:11:10
Speaker
Um, Mark wants to know if Cassian's time machine was a DeLorean type sky car. Uh, I think that's a, I mean, it's got the doors, obviously. It wasn't made by DeLorean. It didn't have the DMC on the front, but it has the, those aren't going, what are those doors called? In a different, in, in one of the other timelines, there's a dragon marked house, Lorian. Yeah. And so it's a DeLorean. It's fueled by fool's hope instead of cocaine though. Yeah.
01:11:40
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That's going to kill me in time, or what kind of doors those are. Because they're not gull wings, because the gull wings are open. Is that it? That wing? I think? That wing doors? OK, a couple of lower questions. Are we sure Arthur can't speak common? No, we are not. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that Arthur is an awakened animal. Boy, it would be a bummer. Or it would be really fun.
01:12:10
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So, Raynard doesn't like reading because there are no pictures. Has he tried graphic novels? Has Raynard tried graphic novels? Yes. The Watchmen is great. Ever on version of the Watchmen? No, are there graphic novels? Yeah, sure. Totally. There's got to be graphic novels. Why wouldn't there be? Yeah. No, there's no time. There's no time for that. Raynard hasn't done it.
01:12:36
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There's no time. What is great art, too? And finally, Laura asks, sorry, we can talk about that later. Crimes. When he's not with us, he's still doing crimes. And brunch. It's all he knows.
01:12:50
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Okay. I'm going to combine two questions. Laura and Irene. So Laura asks, Randy, this is for you. Laura asks, is Milo regretting the location he chose for Jason's murder to which Irene follows? Do you regret killing Jason before getting a full confession or explanation? Kylie, the fire, the motive. Oh boy. Um, I mean, I knew in my head,
01:13:18
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Randy's little brain wanted it. I just wanted it to be at keg bottoms in Milo's head. He's thinking Poetic justice. That's where you killed my wife. That's where I'm gonna kill you He's not thinking about repercussions of is could this come back on him or not? And if I think if he would have thought that was a possibility he still would have said meet at keg bottoms
01:13:48
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and as far as the second part of that you know i had talked about it i think even with you guys some about wanting to get a lot of answers and more answers and find out more about why and what but then i think
01:14:10
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I'm thinking Philip said something like, not exactly like this, but in essence, let's let it play out. Not in those words. But I seem to remember kind of taking it like, yeah, that's a good idea. Well, I just have tried to have all the answers right now. Let's maybe hopefully they'll develop over the course of our playing.
01:14:35
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so yeah Eric Eric's giving the thumbs up maybe they will so so i so i thought yep you know what no regrets milo probably somewhat yeah he because he still wants to know all the whys and the what's but i can i think i can kind of justify it for him because it's almost like he's here
01:15:01
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forget this questioning, he's gotta go. It's like he just couldn't wait to get the answers. He just decided as soon as he started talking, angrier and angrier, it's time to die. So there you go.
01:15:23
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Actually, Ophelia had a question in a different channel. They asked how we record. Do we bank episodes? Do we have them in the can? Yes and no. Yeah. Like right now we're recording this on November 28th to go out December 2nd because that's how we have to do reviews to give you guys a chance to listen to them.
01:15:42
Speaker
But when we do sessions, or when we do narrative, we try to at least do three episodes in a clip just for continuity's sake. It doesn't always work out that way. And then sometimes we do 12 episode arcs, and we don't know how this happened to us as authors of our own torture.
01:16:04
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they also asked Philip, what is your understanding of adverse or atypical attachment needs? And how is it affected your role play of heiress? I recall you work in education. They put a question mark, but yes, he does. And wondered if it informed your play. So okay, so I'm not a therapist or counselor. Anyway, so I don't want to
01:16:30
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get too far into that just because I'm not qualified to. But I have a lot of various training in development from professional development as an educator.
01:16:49
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from the training that I got back when I got licensed as a foster caregiver, as part of the adoption process for our daughter. So I've done a lot of reading and taken a lot of classes on childhood development. So yes, I have some understanding in this field, though not at any kind of professional or expert level.
01:17:19
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Yeah, I mean, obviously this does impact how I role play Eris to a degree. Mostly I know what has happened to Eris in more detail than we've gone into the show. I know what has happened to Eris and I know
01:17:43
Speaker
enough about development to kind of understand the gaps that that leaves in you as an emotional development. And that very much informs what Eris is bad at. And Eris's difficulty in forming relationships and difficulty in understanding her role in relationships, Eris's
01:18:12
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sort of built-in fear that she's going to be abandoned, that's gotten a lot better as, you know, she's kind of pushed boundaries and discovered that her friends aren't just going to cut and run on her. Eris is constantly kind of just reacting in anger to practically everything, are all, you know, informed choices that I've made. I wouldn't
01:18:46
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say this is the particular diagnosis that Eris would get if she actually saw a therapist because I'm not qualified to do that. But yeah, Eris' messed up development of being kidnapped at a young age and losing her family at a young age and being in a neglectful and abusive situation
01:19:04
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I have never and I wouldn't want to.
01:19:14
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as a thrall in Dargoon. These are all things that mean that a lot of places where you would get normal childhood development of how to maintain relationships and what care feels like are just absent from her background. And so those things do inform my play. Especially back at the beginning,
01:19:41
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I don't worry about it a lot right now. I hope I'm still doing a good job. I don't worry about it a lot right now because I feel like I've gotten to know Eris. But back at the beginning, I did a lot of really careful work ahead of time because I certainly didn't want to play someone who was traumatized in the ways that Eris is in any way that would be taken as flippant or disrespectful or anything like that because
01:20:07
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I have lived an extremely comfortable life and have absolutely no idea what it's like to go through any kind of the major trauma sort of stuff that we've seen with errors. So that's a somewhat long and rambling answer to your question, but a short version is
01:20:29
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Yes, I have some background training in understanding attachment and trauma-informed care, and that does make me more comfortable playing someone with Eris's background because I can do so in what I hope is an informed and careful manner, because I certainly wouldn't want anyone who listens to
01:20:56
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you know, to read an heiress anything but a respectful portrayal of trauma and things that people who've gone through major trauma go through, you know, kind of in the same way. Well, we already said, nah, that's a campaign one spoiler. There was a similar thing in campaign one, but I'm not going to get into it because we tried not to do that.
01:21:21
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Okay, our last question that pertains to the show is it from Laura? Is it somewhat of a relief to Eris that Olive knows more details of what they do and didn't run off? Or is she still unsettled and would rather her not know at all whether or not she's accepting of it? I feel like that touches on stuff we haven't hit yet, especially though, which she'd rather that never have happened.
01:21:43
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Eris would definitely rather Olive not know and that somehow magically Olive never find out and everything just be fine for the rest of their lives. So no, Eris is not glad that Olive found out. She's certainly not glad that Olive found out in the way that Olive found out. I would say regarding the question of relief, there is probably
01:22:13
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some relief in the fact that Olive didn't get angry, didn't ask Eris to leave, which is actually what Eris thought the reasonable response was, get your stuff and be gone. But she is also unsettled by it. Eris is absolutely
01:22:38
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unsettled because the circumstance of her life just changed. The part of her life that she didn't want to involve Olive in walked in and shouted itself loudly to the room. And so
01:22:53
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So yeah, she's definitely unsettled. There is relief in that she now knows what Olive will do. She doesn't have to worry about what will Olive do when she finds out, which is probably what inspired all of Eris to just spill the rest of it while we're at it. You know, Olive says, it's not your fault. And Eris says, well.
01:23:12
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Maybe yes, it could be a little bit maybe Which that to me was huge character growth that Eris Didn't just go with yes. It is not my fault. That is what you said So that was
01:23:35
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That was good. And I liked having the opportunity to do that and have Eris grow in that way. But she is definitely not over it. It's definitely not just a, ah, that was cathartic. That's not, Eris doesn't do catharsis. Eris doesn't do catharsis. It's just what's next. Somewhere there's another shoe and Eris just doesn't know where it is yet.
01:24:04
Speaker
Okay, so now we have three, which is three times as many as normal, unrelated questions to get through. Get through. I enjoy these. Quickly get through. Just be clear. Please. To answer. Becca wants to know, what ancient wonder of the world existing or not do you wish you could visit? Which of those seven? The pyramids. I would really love to see the pyramids.
01:24:36
Speaker
Mine's, I thought Colossus of Rhodes until I looked it up. Y'all, he weren't that tall. It ain't that wondrous. He was like 150 feet. It's the Hanging Gardens of Avalon. I would love to see that. That's my answer to the Hanging Gardens. Mine's Niagara Falls. Ah, the wonder of the natural world. Mine's the pyramids also. I would love to go. I like all that Egyptology stuff.
01:25:06
Speaker
Trevor. I don't know what the seven wonders of the world are. Pyramids of Giza, Hanging Gardens of Babylon, Temple of Artemis, Statue of Zeus, Mausoleum of Holocarnassus, Colossus of Rhodes, and Lighthouse of Alexandria. I do a lot of bar trivia. Wait, one of those is... Okay. What? And some of them are still a thing? Yeah, the Great Pyramid is the only one still standing. There's a replica of the Statue of Zeus.
01:25:38
Speaker
Man, what a hard choice. Literally zero stakes to your answer, Trevor. Please, editing Eric is begging you to answer quickly. Gosh, sorry. You can't do this to me. Okay, the pyramids. Cool. Great job, Trevor. We'll answer these. That was incorrect. Now you have to lose a pinky.
01:26:09
Speaker
Let's all point and laugh. Uh, Laura asks, what's the best sauce that it fries in? And Nathan wants to know what's the, he says correct, which like, I'm not going to say correct. Uh, cut for french fries. Um, spicy and curly ketchup and curly. There's a restaurant in my town that does like kind of
01:26:36
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that ridged cut potato wedges that are just amazing. Uh, and so I, I specifically like those, um, and catch up catch up.
01:26:54
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Well, I judged a French fry competition. Oh, that's right. What a weird flex. What a weird flex. I have some insight.
The Great Fry Debate
01:27:05
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But nope. But I was so disappointed that there were no steak fries. I love steak fries. And I like to dip them in buffalo sauce.
01:27:18
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Well, since Nathan asked, I will go and say the correct answer. As far as cut, I'm agnostic. I don't care. As long as it's done Belgian style, where you fry them, cool them, fry them again, so it stays pillowy on the inside and crispy on the inside. And the correct answer is mayonnaise. Aioli is great. I would take an aioli, honestly, probably over a mayonnaise, but since that's hard to find in a restaurant,
01:27:39
Speaker
You dip them in mayonnaise. I just don't get the mayonnaise because mayonnaise has a flavor, but it's a very bog standard. Like potatoes are also a vessel for flavor. So you're not getting the biggest bang for your butt flavor wise. Right. And most people choose to make that flavor overwhelming sugar. And I don't understand that. I will say that.
01:28:02
Speaker
most of the time, if the fries are worth anything, no sauce is the correct answer. That's true. Some salt and pepper. Actually, my favorite way to eat fries is with salt and vinegar. Sprinkle. Yeah, vinegar is good. It's vinegar, but salt and pepper, yeah. I like them crunchy too, like crunchy bits and pieces of fries.
01:28:22
Speaker
Okay, we're gonna end it. Eric has the work to do. So thank you so much for listening. We're gonna be back next week with something, and it'll be great. In the meantime.
Kickstarter Announcement
01:28:34
Speaker
I was gonna say, super important plug that's not part of the normal cadence is Kickstarter for Game Rination Con 8 is live. I will put a link on the Facebook, there is a link on the Facebook group, what am I talking about? And a link in the Discord.
01:28:49
Speaker
um there is a tier of the rvg tier for eberron renewed where you can sit at a table that i am running if you want to play in a game uh run by me we have
01:29:00
Speaker
Two tables available this year, but there are only four seats left total. So don't want to sleep on that. And it's only an extra $35 off of your normal, in addition to your normal pass to get the RBG status. And you get some bonus swag and stuff like that. So do it. I want to see all of you and play games with you.
01:29:23
Speaker
Jeff and Philip will also definitely be running games. They have already committed to that as well. So just yeah, where ever Philip, Eric and I are all committed to be there. Not for sure. Not on a schedule. Philip be there. Oh, I thought you said that there would be spots at a table also in the discord.
01:29:40
Speaker
Yeah, because there are seats there. OK, never mind. I said I could guarantee that there would be seats.
Convention and Social Media Promotions
01:29:45
Speaker
Sorry. There are chairs. Jeff, we will be there. We will be playing games. I will be there. I'm making no promises to anyone. The extra pledge thing guarantees you a seat at a table run by Eric. Yeah. I can guarantee you that if you come up to me and you tell me that you like Eberron Renewed, I will find time to play code names with you at a minimum. That is my promise to you.
01:30:09
Speaker
I will play games, absolutely. And for 10 weeks, I'll run a game of phase 10. And just like last year, everyone is welcome in my game of computer parse madness. So come and enjoy that. So the standard plugs, we have a Discord. We have a Facebook page. We have a Twitter for now. We have a TikTok. All of those are at the Geek Pantheon or slash the Geek Pantheon, however you find it.
01:30:39
Speaker
search for us on YouTube for Eric's DM videos, where he is now occasionally also talking about his home game he's running that I play in, that's a lot of fun. Search for the Laughing Tree on YouTube to find our sister show Kyber Shards, DM'd by Philip and played in by Eric. We have a merch store, thegeekpantheon.com, where you can find things for your body or drinking vessels or dog's body. All factual, just said weird.
Episode Sign-Off
01:31:05
Speaker
Frankly, I don't care what you do with it, what you buy it, but you can buy it there, and it's intended purposes body stuff. And I think that's the perfect place to end it. I think I covered all the fun, and if not, listen to last week's episode. My name's Jeff. I'm Phillip. I'm Trevor. I'm Randy. I'm Eric.
01:31:29
Speaker
You're never gonna let me do this again, are you? Trevor, you're doing repeats for now on. Bye.