Jon Birger joins me on this week’s episode to discuss shooting your shot – and I’m not talking about March Madness. We discuss his latest book, Make Your Move: The New Science of Dating, to break down what women stand to gain from asking men out. We analyze the sexist “science” that informs traditional dating gender roles, and the evolution into modern philosophies of “If he wanted to, he would.” Jon also critiques my own feeble attempts at shooting my shot in years prior, and explains how meeting on Hinge impacts the likelihood of long term success with my current boyfriend.

To order Make Your Move or invite Jon to your book club : jonbirger.com

For more of Jon’s musings on modern dating dynamics : @jon_birger1

To make things Instagram official : @interstatesandheartbreak

For dating commentary from my inner Carrie : interstatesandheartbreak.com

For any questions, business inquiries, or love letters : interstatesandheartbreak@gmail.com

For a glimpse into my life when I’m not talking about dating : @lesliegnope