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Ep. 20: A Huge Win in the Windy City
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Dillon, Jake, and Braxton recap NASCAR's first ever trip to a street course and Shane van Gisbergen's win on the streets of Chicago. Rain and lightning tried their hardest to ruin the show, but ultimately the Australian Supercars champion prevailed in front of a dedicated crowd. The guys also discuss how the NextGen cars performed in the rain and in general on the city streets, and discussed some other markets NASCAR might be able to take this concept to. In Pop Up Showers, Jake pointed out the high television ratings NBC earned for the Chicago Street Course race, Braxton noted a couple of disqualifications in Late Model Stock races this past week, and Dillon gave props to IndyCar driver Alex Palou for winning his third consecutive race. As always, the guys recapped their picks from Chicago, made their real and random race picks for Atlanta, and previewed the summertime trip to Georgia.
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NASCAR's Triumph in Chicago
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Cloudy with a chance of racing coming to you after an enormous, huge success. At least I think of a weekend on the track for NASCAR on the streets of Chicago.
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They did what they could around the rain and fortunately that scrapped the concerts but it was a resounding huge success on the track yesterday with the NASCAR Cup Series. Braxton here with you on episode 20 of Claudio with a Chance of Racing. Jake and Dylan here as well. Guys, how are we feeling after that inaugural weekend on the streets of Chicago?
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I'm riding high. I mean, it's, I know last week we were a little worried about how it might turn out. I think a lot of people were, but pleasantly surprised.
Overcoming Weather Challenges
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I am hats off to NASCAR in the city for getting it together the way they did with the rain and the way that rec havoc on the weekend, uh,
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Hats off to the fans that stuck around. It looked like a great atmosphere, even with the later start. Obviously, the magical win in the Cup Series with SDG, and then today coming out with the television ratings through the roof. Overall, I thought it was just a hit. Yeah, and I think it could have gone really bad. I think a lot of fans were anticipating maybe bottom-end of the spectrum in terms of
00:01:45
Speaker
It could go horribly bad and ended up complete opposite of what everyone was expecting. Um, I think it blew away expectations, even with it being, you know, rain canceling everything else, which could have put it even somehow over this, if they're able to have, you know, like sunny conditions and getting packed, uh, full of people for the concerts and stuff like that. Unfortunately, we didn't get that, but, um, hopefully this gets the ball rolling
Tribute to Jimmy Johnson
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for.
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more events like this traveling to different cities across the country in the future.
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There's a lot to unpack with the weekend in Chicago, and we'll get to that in just a moment. But first, I think we have to send our condolences to the family of Jimmy Johnson after tragedy struck with his in-laws and then a nephew of his, his wife's parents, and then one of his wife's nephews tragically perishing in their home state of Oklahoma. Jimmy Johnson did withdraw the 84 car from
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this weekend's race in Chicago and our thoughts are certainly with the Johnson family there.
Highlights: Hamlin & van Gisbergen
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Just a tragic deal.
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All around and you know the racing side aside from that, you know, it completely just horrible what happened there But once NASCAR did get to the streets of Chicago, I think it was very interesting That Denny Hamlin was able to come away with the poll for the cup series but also I think almost equally surprising is is how fast Shane van Ginsbergen took to the
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Uh the stock cars, I mean he was a third second, you know, it was top five in practice forget which exactly third Yeah, so he uh, he took to it like, you know, like he was been doing in his whole life just about Yeah, I mean that's Just him and his story the entire weekend is was enough to create headlines and and the the um, you know, I
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they had the practice session and they got qualifying in and everything. It was interesting to see Denny capture the poll, considering his, you know,
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road course, if you will, you know, background, not exactly the strongest, but I mean, he's a great racer. But I think the, especially early on in the race, before some of the lineup got shuffled in the cup series that we're talking, the guys who were consistently pretty good at road courses were really showing off and including Van Ginsbergen.
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You had Bell and Redick up front fighting for the lead and whatnot. So a lot of things really, really played out as far as, you know, the talent of some of these guys and certainly with SPG winning it. What a moment. Yeah, it was a great moment just seeing his reaction, hearing the crowd when he was taking the lead.
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at different times. NBC is also really good about that and injecting crowd noise at the right time, you know, turn up the crowd mics a little bit. So that was cool. I think the rain, I know we can't, you know, get that amount of rain every single time, but it was, uh, it added to it. I think the cars drove really well in it. You know, you get this type of, this type of car, this type of situation this weekend, you do that 10 years ago with the cars and we wouldn't have had nearly the
Impact of Rain on Racing
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success. I don't think so.
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Um, NASCAR really, I think, uh, did a good job with that aspect of it. But, um, I mean, just to have a, a ringer come in, which we kind of got away from that, you know, the vore says in the last couple of times he's raised, he was not successful and other, you know, um, people brought in for.
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for the cup cars, I will say Jensen Button also was running pretty well too until he kind of got taken out. So I could have seen both of them finishing in the top five easily for sure.
00:05:57
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Yeah, and Andy Lally also in the race, I would consider him a ringer as well, even though he does have more NASCAR starts than the average ringer would. Dylan, real quick, I want to get from the motorsports meteorologist kind of an understanding on what happened that created that rain system right over the Windy City on late Saturday and through most of the day Sunday, because when we were on our podcast a week ago,
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We're thinking, OK, a chance of rain on Saturday and then should be pretty good on Sunday. And then it was an absolute onslaught yesterday. Yeah, I was looking up like that one of the top rainfall events. I believe it felt like 30 or in the top 30 to 35.
00:06:44
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Um, all time for Chicago, Chicago airport in terms of rainfalls ever fell on Sunday. But yeah, it was kind of, uh, I believe, and then look too much into it, but I believe it was kind of what we call a mezzo low that just formed right off the lake. Um, kind of just drawing a bunch of moisture right into Chicago. Um, Lincoln park, which is nearby
Logistics of Chicago Street Race
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there had seven inches of rain on Sunday.
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Wow, which is just incredible. And I was looking up at one time for flash flood warnings across the whole country. You know, think of how many square miles that entails. And downtown Chicago was one of the four flash flood warnings across the entire country. So the fact that they got the race in, yes, it was shortened, but I think that's honestly nothing short of a miracle because think of how poor a lot of cities
00:07:37
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You know, street drainage problems are, I mean, a lot of times you can't drive a car 10, 20 miles an hour down city streets when it's pouring down the rain and you have a flash flood warning. They not only did that, but got cars on NASCAR, NASCAR cars out on the track. So just applaud everyone's effort in getting that to take place. Also applaud the city of Chicago for having some drainage that can handle rainfall like that. I think that's impressive too.
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Well, think about this way is I think of water trying to seek the path of least resistance. And so it's going to go kind of downhill wherever it can to the nearest basin, if you will. Well, the Chicago River is right there, not quite a street level, but it's right there. It's not like it's a huge canyon that goes down to it.
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And it's not like Lake Michigan is several hundred feet below the streets of Chicago either. They're very close to the quote unquote sea level, if you will, of Lake Michigan there. And to your point, Dylan, the amount of drainage they had was impressive for all that. I did hear that they did have some drought situations. It was very dry there before, so that might have helped some. Yeah, it was completely flipped. Really in the year Chicago was very rainy.
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and then they went to a drought literally the last two months and then boom that uh that's all a bunch of funny tweets like if you want your city to end its drought have NASCAR come to town maybe that could be the selling point to a bunch of bigger cities are you listening Las Vegas are you listening LA
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Yeah, for sure. But that, that was monumental. And I think the rain did really have a, an interesting twist on the racing. Uh, I think it created, uh, some, some opportunities for passing and created some opportunities for drivers to be brave and try to send their cars in places that nobody else is really brave enough to do it. And sometimes it stuck like Tyloretic on the opening start trying to make something happen.
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Other times it didn't like Kyle Busch ending up in the tire barrier in turn six like Noah Gregson Ending up in the tire barrier however many times he did Sometimes it worked out sometimes it didn't but you don't have that without
Exploring NASCAR's Diverse Schedule
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the rain. I don't think It definitely definitely added an element That honestly, I thought probably made it
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I think if it was dry, it probably would have been a great race too, but it just added another level to this and I thought really made it very interesting. I didn't think, I honestly, I didn't think it was going to happen on Sunday, but it did. And you saw some of the drivers reactions, I think two hours before
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one to two hours before the engines got cranked, you had Denny Hamlin tweet out like, at NASCAR, like do the right thing. Let's not go out there. And you you know, you saw the
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the funny incident with NBC interviewing Ricky Stenhouse live there and he's in jeans and a polo shirt and the drivers get called to their cars. And so it just, just, you know, hats off to everyone for getting it going and being able, even though they did have, and you know, we should note that they did shorten the race by 25 laps due to darkness, but they did get the full thing in. Yeah. And I think that,
00:11:10
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You know, it's a testament to these cars. Again, there's still a lot of things wrong. Well, not wrong, but that could be fixed like the short track package. But what we saw yesterday, I mean, obviously the rain really factored into it and may not have been quite as, you know, entertaining. You could say if it was dry, you know, it's very just ran away with it. But
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I think it's a promising note that we're still improving this car. Uh, if they can get the short track package figured out, NASCAR is really onto something and it's, it could potentially become, you know, what we all hope to be pretty
Future of NASCAR Street Races
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big time. If we figure out the short track package, get a, get say Nashville, Nashville, fairground Speedway in the mix. You get a couple of street courses in, you have your Atlanta Daytona Talladega, and then you have some other.
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a mile and a half tracks, that is going to be one awesome schedule in a couple of years if it comes to fruition. Totally. There's one thing I want to get to real quick before we continue on about the cup races. The Xfinity race was kind of controversially stopped two laps prior to the midway point and ruled an official race. They did end up going ahead and awarding stage two and finishing points.
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How do we feel about that because there's a I guess a portion of me that feels like NASCAR has kind of made up the rules as they went I And kind of an nefarious way, but also I understand it because they had really no other choice. I They really didn't especially with I'm sure that being on the street course and working with Chicago and
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and maybe having the Xfinity go back out there on Monday, but NASCAR probably had a worry in the back of their head. The Cup Series might not be today either, so we need to figure something out for Monday. I would have liked this scene if there was a way, because they were a couple laps short of halfway, to get them back out there maybe for a few caution laps.
00:13:23
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It was controversial. But I just think NASCAR hands were tied. It was a unique circumstance, for sure, with the street course and then the unprecedented rains. Now, the way some of the things Saturday were handled, and we discussed this in our group text probably could have been better as well. But it is what it is now. I mean, Cole Custer.
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gets the win and he led a ton of laps so and I think some of the XFINITY drivers obviously they probably don't want to speak out too much against NASCAR but I think the majority of them kind of understood it and like you know what that's that's fine let's move on yeah really unfortunate I think it had more to do with kind of with Chicago the city of Chicago in terms of it would have been really tough to try to get in on Monday
00:14:24
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get things tore down in the, you know, in the timetable that they needed to get done. Um, I will say Cole Custer was also in a different zip code speed wise. I don't think really anyone would have competed with Cole Custer maybe in the rain, but he looked like he was kind of running away with that regardless of if it was ended early or not. And from what I've seen, like from different interpretations of the rule,
00:14:51
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It sounds like in unforeseen circumstances, which kind of happened in this case, they can shorten the race within their set of rules.
Respectful Racing Surprises
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Yeah, that's a catch-all language, right? Yeah.
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The one thing that I was OK with shortening the race based on what was happening there in the moment, I think the frustrating thing from the team perspective was a lot of teams ended up having to spend a ton of money on extra nights in hotel rooms and just to go back out and get rained on, buckle drivers in, and then not move. I think that was frustrating for a lot of teams.
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But I also understand it comes with the territory a little bit, that by the way the rules have been interpreted and followed for so many years, that okay, we're short of halfway, it's kind of assumed that we're coming back tomorrow. So the teams had to do that, right?
00:15:53
Speaker
And also, I think there was some frustration from the fan standpoint, just because at a normal NASCAR race, whether it's at a NASCAR on track or at a SMI track, usually if there's severe weather like that, they'll send you to the parking lot. They'll tell you to stay underneath the bleachers for shelter and stuff. You can normally stay in the facility. But with Chicago, you had to play by the city's rules for the parks.
00:16:21
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Which is a different set of rules and I think especially with it being the Xfinity race that that happened to that you think that most of your your fans going to an Xfinity race are more of the hardcore fans as opposed to your casual fans like what they had for the cup race yesterday.
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and so those hardcore fans are gonna be more familiar and used
NASCAR's Growing Exposure
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to the Kind of procedures that you have at a normal race weekend and therefore be a little more upset About the scenario with with the city of Chicago's rules and stuff and that's just something that you know They're gonna keep running on street courses that fans are gonna have to get used to that, you know We're playing in somebody else's sandbox, you know, we got to play by their rules so very
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Speaker
unique circumstances to the end of the Xfinity race. But I think having them come back today would have been an absolute disaster. Another night in a hotel room for the Xfinity teams, plus all of the cost that would have cost NASCAR to keep the track layout up and operational today.
00:17:25
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Uh, it was not, not, you know, worth it for NASCAR. And so, uh, I think they made the best choice with the options that they had worked were not great to begin with. I saw, um, uh, and Adam's third tweet earlier from sports business journal. I mean, they had, they had traffic up and moving on parts that were used yesterday for the course. They had the Chicago had it open this morning. So it was just, you're right. And just.
00:17:53
Speaker
you know, being in someone's backyard and in their sandbox and, um, it, we've, you know, this NASCAR has never done this before. So there's going to be things that come up, uh, like this that will probably be controversial for now, but once everyone gets a better understanding of the circumstances, um, you know, they'll understand. Yeah.
Looking Ahead: Atlanta Race
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And I'm interested to see Chicago's, the city of Chicago's take on this as well. Um,
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considering it seemed like a lot of people within, you know, the bureaucracy that is local government in the city like Chicago were kind of openly against it at times. So be interested to see what they think is Chicago the future home of a course like this. Is it going to be the only one? A lot of questions I think come out of this.
00:18:46
Speaker
For sure. And I think that we'll get to a little bit more of that later on, because I think there is a lot of talk about where can NASCAR do this next. But as for the race yesterday, of course, the Cup Series started out on rain tires. Denny Hamlin led. And then it was really a three horse Toyota battle there with Denny, Tyler Reddick and Christopher Bell with Shaiman Gisberg and leading the way for the Chevrolet's in that first pack.
00:19:16
Speaker
And they separated themselves a lot. You saw a handful of drivers find the tire barrier and turn six almost right away. But for the most part, everybody was pretty neat and tidy through the first part of the race. Really through the whole race. Yeah. And they found the spots of the track. Some of it still had some puddles and standing water. But it was a lot.
00:19:45
Speaker
It was a lot of single file, but also in a way, you know, tidy like you say, but there were a lot more passing than what people expected. And we saw it with, you know, five to go between SVG and Hailey. I mean, that was awesome right in itself. But I did think that there was, and there was bumping and banging like we usually see at the, you know, short tracks too. It did have,
00:20:12
Speaker
a little bit of everything and we did have the parking lot scenario that Braxton, I know you mentioned you thought we'd see at least one and it did happen in the race. So yeah, the racing was I thought pretty good throughout, you know, when the leader
00:20:32
Speaker
got going and it seemed to pull away kind of no matter who it was. Hailey held off Austin Dillon for a while there in the latter stages of the race too. So overall, I thought the racing was awesome. And as the race went on and the rain was gone and the fog was kind of lifting and the clouds and everything, man, those shots going around their track
00:21:02
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I mean, you just can't beat it. That's, it was just, it was just incredible to see some of that as well. Yeah. The shots were incredible, especially when I had to turn some of the street lights on and see the traffic going in the background. Very cool. But the racing itself, I saw an interesting tweet again from the Xfinity series, but Sage Karim saying, he tweeted this yesterday, interesting seeing people say it looked impossible or hard to pass the Chicago.
00:21:30
Speaker
I found it easier to pass better than, say, Sonoma, which I think was a big question mark coming in. How many passing opportunities would we have? But it sounded like the iRacing may not have had the exact setup of how these cars actually took the track there, which you kind of expect. I mean, it didn't have a lot of data on, or no data, basically, on that. So I think it's interesting to hear that.
00:21:57
Speaker
from a guy like Sage Karam of all people, which is kind of well versed in, in racing different types of motorsports. So, um, the racing was good. I think there was a little bit too much water. Maybe at the start, obviously they couldn't have been, it couldn't have been quite as aggressive as they needed to be. And I think that contributed a little bit to the single file racing. Um, it did seem like it got a little bit stretched out, but I think that's also this, this, uh, road course package that we have right now. I mean,
00:22:25
Speaker
Thinking back to a lot of the road courses we've seen outside of maybe, uh, recently outside of Charlotte, the robo. I thought that was one of the better races, you know, we were seeing racing throughout the field, uh, which is a little bit different than usual in the parking lot situation. I think, you know, just that, you know, I don't think people are making fun of NASCAR, but you needed a moment like that because like, that's relatable, you know, to, to every day, you know, somebody that's not a fan just seeing, you know,
00:22:53
Speaker
juiced up cars like you drive a home stuck in a log jam parking lot situation with a crash. I think we needed it just as like a meme-able moment from the race. So I thought that that was funny. Also hilarious. I think people would have gotten through and then Kevin Harvick just shut it off and did not allow anyone else to pass the one hole that everybody was trying to get through on that moment, how Harvick just shut it. Oh, yeah, totally.
00:23:18
Speaker
Um, I think, uh, to the, the iRacing and maybe the SIM models not being as accurate. I heard, uh, some people saying that, that the track has a lot more grip or had a lot more grip than what they expected. Um, usually, you know, with these street courses, you have all kinds of, you know, antifreeze and oil and whatever else leaking out from everyday street cars that they get on the track and it makes us look for the race cars. And that wasn't really the case.
00:23:48
Speaker
this week. So that was really good to see. I thought that the racing was really good overall. A lot of single file but that's what you get on
00:24:02
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any street course, no matter what series it is, whether it's IndyCar, or IMSA, or Formula One, or whoever else who runs on street course, that's what you get a lot of times. There's a lot of single file, and you have a few passing zones. I think to the point you raised, Dylan, about the tweet from Sage Karim,
00:24:21
Speaker
that it was easier to kind of sneak attack drivers and make passes on this because nobody was really as super intimate with the course as they are with a Sonoma or Watkins Glen where they know the course like the back of their hands and they know how to protect everywhere. You know, nobody has seen then then it's easy to to just kind of get brave and and make a move somewhere that the driver in front of you is not expecting it. And I think that was
00:24:51
Speaker
a lot of what we saw and it was good passing still. I think that created good passing. I also really enjoyed that it seemed like the race was firmly in the hands of the drivers and the teams and strategy and stuff. It wasn't just a fuel mileage race or he has the freshest tires wins the race. It was truly a display of fantastic driving
00:25:20
Speaker
and some strategy as well. I mean, you know, when they announced that it was going to be a 75 lap race instead of 100 lap race, Adam Stevens was very irate on the radio from things I saw online. Now the crew chief for Christopher Bell, because then it made that front pack, that first 21 cars or something like that had to come to the pit road and get their service. And it put the nine cars up ahead. So it got Justin Haley up front.
00:25:50
Speaker
It got Kyle Larson up front. It got Austin Dillon up front until he crashed. Got Kyle Bush up in that pack as well. But then I think that complaint was kind of washed away a little bit when SVG drives up and and wins the race from I think he restarted 18th after and that restart immediately after they announced it was going to be a 75 lap race.
00:26:18
Speaker
Yeah, at first, you know, when they, they shortened the race like that, um, you know, a lot of, a lot of fans were questioning it, but you know, that happens, that happens more than people realize, I think, all across motorsports and, um, and, and it did, it did shake up the lineup because it was looking like it was going to be a battle, uh, between, you know, bell and Reddick and SBG. And then.
00:26:45
Speaker
But the way he moved up the field and was just flying, I mean, there's no doubt about it.
00:26:52
Speaker
He was the best yesterday, I mean, in a show. And other guys, it kind of got lost in the shuffle because of the calls. Some of them made their way back up. Like Michael McDowell, I thought, had an outstanding race and usually does on road courses. He made his way back into the top 10. Ty Gibbs,
00:27:16
Speaker
What an outstanding race and a continuing and outstanding season I think for him he finished in the top ten You know Justin Haley he got out front because of that But the pressure that a leader has on road courses and you know a street course like this I think is is Can be a lot more
00:27:39
Speaker
than pressure at other types of tracks. One mistake can really cost you. And then especially when you're getting chased down by a guy like SPG, and I'm sure a lot of people were rooting him on as well. Hats off to Haley. I thought he held his own up front towards the end as well. Yeah, your point.
00:28:08
Speaker
Uh, his, is a good one. I think, um, that it does happen in other forms of motorsports that what, what are they supposed to do? You know, run them into the dark. Um, I think there actually would have been enough light maybe, um, to, to go a little bit further than that. But, um, I thought, uh, I understand the frustration from, you know, the drivers that didn't get a pit. Ideally, I would have liked to see.
00:28:38
Speaker
Uh, them allow drivers to come in pit, but you don't lose your spot. You know, I feel like that would have been a nice compromise. I was kind of surprised they didn't do that, you know? Um, but, but again, didn't matter at the end of the day, I will say Kyle Larson was also putting together some, some deep, decent laps there towards the end. He was able to kind of make passes. His post race comments kind of was like,
00:29:02
Speaker
He was trying to hold SVG off could not do it and then he just followed him He started to you know, kind of mimic some of the moves he was he was doing that kind of learning on the fly That's why I was a bit surprised chase Elliott He's usually someone that can kind of pick up on that those styles pretty quickly I think and you know, he he really well I was expecting more out of him there towards the end. Yeah, he had older tires, but I
00:29:25
Speaker
I was pretty impressed with how Justin Haley handled that situation. He could have easily went in there and tried to wreck him one time. He never did that. He held his own nicely, tried to do a crossover himself and then got crossed over. But I thought everyone, SPG's comments too, it sounded like everyone was being respectful. Yeah, they were beating and banging on him, but I don't think it was much different than what he was used to in the Australian supercar via supercars.
00:29:56
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it was still a very good showing for Justin Haley. He gained several points there. I think he's now in 21st in the standings. So it was a really good day for him. Of course, he really needed to win the race to get logged into the playoffs there. But you still can't, you know, you still have to take it that he did get a lot of points there. I think you guys point about like how
00:30:26
Speaker
You know guys like tried to follow SVG and they just couldn't I mean the guy it was in a world of his own it looked like at times especially on that last pass when when he was making the move on Haley where he got a He got around in turn three and then Haley have position on turn four and SVG let him go to then kind of bait Haley into over driving five and
00:30:53
Speaker
I mean that was, SVG was playing chess and everybody else was playing checkers at that point. He was doing just insane.
00:31:03
Speaker
I noticed that there were times where it looked like SVG was taking a more arched entry into corners and kind of getting a later apex to then get straighter off the corners, at least it looked like in my mind. It looked like some of the Nascar regulars, especially, and this is exactly what happened to Austin Dillon when he ended up crashing out. We're taking some shallower entries into the corner and then not able to get
00:31:32
Speaker
a straight drive off on the exits. But SVG put on an absolute clinic. And remember, he was driving on the opposite side of the car from what he does normally. And he was shifting with his other hand. And just wax the field. What do we think that does for for NASCAR? Is that a black eye on the everyday superstars?
00:31:58
Speaker
Or is that a good thing to kind of raise the bar a little bit? I look at it like a positive.
00:32:09
Speaker
because I just, all the, you know, no one raced there before. So as far as looking bad, like on the cup drivers, the regulars, I don't think so. I mean, it's their first time there as well. And, you know, the cream is going to rise to the top. I think that the eyes internationally and in other forms of motorsports that this
00:32:36
Speaker
uh really got on and nascar is just tremendous um you you texted this yesterday brackston i mean is justin mark's phone ringing off the hook right now and for project 91 or what i mean and it it's another another chapter or just a story if you will to this start as a team in these first couple years for track house that is just
00:33:05
Speaker
incredible, and you don't see this type of stuff. I mean, never, obviously, with the street course, but what Trackhouse is doing in the first couple of years is making waves for NASCAR. Yeah, kind of on that point, Scott McGoughlin also said, McGoughlin said, you know, if somebody gave me a ride, I would do it, potentially, if it times out.
00:33:35
Speaker
Yeah, I hope y'all surprised Denny's kind of deal with 2311 didn't have a car in this field. Um, was there any news on that? Did you guys see, you know, what, were they supposed to have one or no? No. So they have Kamui Kobayashi running the 67 at, uh, Indianapolis. Gotcha. Yeah. So yeah, I think in the future, I'd love to see more, more guys, but I'm surprised.
00:34:04
Speaker
Roger Pinsky doesn't get a fourth car for some of these races. Maybe he will in the future. He's got plenty of contacts out there in the world to get some drivers for him. So hopefully we see more of it. I remember you mentioned Scott McLaughlin. He drives for Pinsky in IndyCar. He is a multi-time V8 supercars champion in Australia. So a lot of their same lineage.
00:34:31
Speaker
Yeah. It's like funny next year, this race and a bunch of V8 super car guys come over and, you know, put a show on the rest of the NASCAR guys. I wouldn't like to see, I wouldn't want to see that, but I could see Larson's, the Christopher Bell's, the Tyler Reddick's to get a lot better at this style racing after doing it once to compete with them. I thought that came to my mind yesterday, uh, was, um, I wonder how different
00:35:01
Speaker
The career of Marcus Ambrose would have been in the Cup Series had this car been around when he was racing? No, definitely. He would have been a lot more successful. I was actually just earlier seeing a Twitter thread between Kevin Harvick and then James Small replied to it. I don't know if you guys saw it, but last year, 2022, he says, agreed now if a current owner had a pair, they'd be stupid not to sign up, Shane.
00:35:29
Speaker
SVG and watch him come and do the same thing or better talking about, you know, Marcus Ambrose So yeah, we saw that put to put to the test kind of at the hands of James small which kind of funny So it did sound Like Shane van Giesberg and he a couple comments he made in his post race So one it said he is committed to the V8 supercars for 2024 after that he's wide open and
00:35:56
Speaker
So it sounds like the door is open if he didn't want to come race NASCAR full time. Although being realistic, this is one race out of a 36 race schedule and he's never raced in oval before. So there's a lot. There's still a steep learning curve for him. But also I thought it was interesting how I mentioned later on that he thinks that the top eight to 10 V supercars guys could go out and do exactly what he did.
00:36:28
Speaker
And that's very interesting. I think it's telling about the level of motorsport. I don't think it diminishes NASCAR any. I think it offers a lot of newfound respect to the supercars drivers. And I think it's a testament to the car too. Totally. It's that car which is not much different than what is racing at a Daytona or a Las Vegas.
00:36:56
Speaker
mile-and-a-half track that that car is so versatile to To race like that on the street course to where a v8 supercar driver saying hey my guys to hop in this car race it on a street course and Then go out the next week and race this thing at Atlanta with not too much of a different setup. Very cool Yeah, totally. I mean really the the difference is you take the the rain package off of course and then It's just a slightly different rear diffuser and rear spoiler and have at it
00:37:27
Speaker
Yeah. And another tweet that I saw kind of talking about the point, like the risks NASCAR has taken putting a, I mean, we've had a race on dirt this year. We had an exhibition race inside of a football stadium. Now we did a street race plus all the, you know, staple staples on the NASCAR schedule. There is not a more versatile racing series in the world by far now. I mean, it is like they're exponentially, you know, more.
00:37:57
Speaker
Styles of racing in NASCAR itself then a bunch of other racing series combined Yeah, you're totally right with that Just look at the schedule for you know, July. I mean It's a little a little bit of everything coming up. You got Atlanta, you know, New Hampshire Pocono is coming up Richmond again, and then you go to Indianapolis for the road course it's
00:38:25
Speaker
It's something, it really is something what they're doing with the schedule. There can be some more tweaks, and certainly there will be, and we'll see if the street course remains on. Yes, I was going to ask you guys, assuming that everybody is happy with the way the street course experiment went, I personally think that if they go back to Chicago on the exact same layout, it's going to lose some of the magic.
00:38:56
Speaker
because then people are going to be familiar with it. You're going to have a whole race with the notes and data on it. I think to keep it with the same kind of vibe of the unknown, that it's got to go to a new place. Where is it as a market we think that should have a street course, whether it's an existing street course with an NASCAR race or a new market that NASCAR could try to go to?
00:39:24
Speaker
Dylan brought this up earlier and I was thinking hard. It's a tough question. I had a few. One, I just think that in the pattern of the largest markets you could go, I was thinking maybe Philadelphia.
00:39:43
Speaker
You kind of have a lot of you know, a lot of areas in there, you know, Delaware New York City's close New Jersey a lot of fans in a lot of heavy population that could come in for that sure, you know Poconos on that side of Pennsylvania And over is not far away either but I like your point there though is that getting into the city of Philadelphia would be interesting Yeah, it certainly would
00:40:09
Speaker
Two other thoughts, and I've seen this, because NBC, NASCAR tweeted out, or Facebook the same thing, and people were commenting that maybe through the streets of Charlotte, that kind of is around the NASCAR Hall of Fame, I don't know the logistics of these streets, I'm just naming cities here, maybe taking away the roval and
00:40:36
Speaker
Trying something like this, but of course the idea of this and what came to Chicago is You know saw a lot of it was new fans kind of making a splash in a big market and then a third idea I had is New Orleans and Maybe you know rolling down Bourbon Street. You're down down below sea level a little bit, but that is kind of a
00:41:02
Speaker
I guess you could say in entertainment and kind of party city in a way, obviously. But if it rained as much there as what it did in Chicago, we'd be in big trouble. Yeah, you you really have to watch out there. But that was just one that came to mind where who knows. But it's fun to come up with these. I like that. Yeah, the ones that immediately came to mind for me, you know, port, not Portland, excuse me.
00:41:33
Speaker
Denver which just because it's kind of a growing city I would say Denver would be cool to see that there's not a race remotely close to Denver in terms of the bigger cities you can't get you know much further away outside of Seattle which would also be cool you would also likely get a damp race out of Seattle even though probably NASCAR coming to town it might be you know 90 degrees in summing
00:41:55
Speaker
And you know, we get some different type of weather pattern, but, um, those would be two just to, you know, attract a new audience, but I'd love to see, you know, obviously like a New York city that would just be iconic as well. It sounds like, uh, from some doing a little research myself that they really wanted a formula one race, you know, some of the leadership in New York city tried to work that out to get, um, an area for formula one to race there.
00:42:22
Speaker
So maybe New York City, but I think, I don't know what it, what the logistics of this would be considering, you know, it's the capital, but what better than a fourth of July race at Washington, DC, where you're racing around, you know, monuments of the country and stuff. I mean, that would be as iconic as it could get in the way the NASCAR promotes the military and, you know, pride in the country.
00:42:48
Speaker
That would be on par with I think the show that they put on at Charlotte for Memorial Day weekend That would be crazy. I the first thing that came to mind is the And how big of an undertaking it would be from a security perspective. Yeah, definitely. I mean they do shut down the streets in Washington DC for something so I
00:43:09
Speaker
You know, maybe the fan access would be a little bit limited, but as a TV product, racing around Washington Monument, come on. That'd be sweet. Oh, yeah, it would. I like your suggestion of Seattle, because that's the one market that one corner of the country, the NASCAR doesn't get to enough. And it could be very interesting going through there. There's some natural kind of angles to the streets and everything that could create an interesting course there.
00:43:39
Speaker
I think the easy one right now is the streets of Long Beach that NASCAR doesn't have a points paying race or track, at least I think worthy of a points paying race. And Southern California for next year and possibly the year after, depending on the construction schedule of redoing auto club Speedway. The streets of Long Beach is a long established race course. You know, IndyCar runs there.
00:44:09
Speaker
The IMSA runs there with both prototypes and GT cars. Even Robbie Gordon Stadium Super Truck Series runs there and gets around. So I think that's a win-win. You're in a very densely populated area there in Los Angeles market. You're on a street course. And the best part, too, is that you have some partners there in IMSA and IndyCar. If you work out the scheduling and everything,
00:44:37
Speaker
that NASCAR is not having to foot the entire bill to build the street course. Granted, I think NASCAR wants to be the show, not sure the limelight, not sure the spotlight with with IndyCar and IMSA. But at the same time, to go to one of the iconic street courses in the country, you know, there's only a couple of them that happen every year. You know, St. Pete and Long Beach are the ones that happen in recent times, you know, especially now that
00:45:07
Speaker
Um, that open racing in the country is reunified. And it used to be that, that cart would go to like Cleveland. And I think cart did go to Denver and Portland and stuff back in the day, or maybe new Orleans as well. Uh, and it just doesn't happen anymore. So, uh, getting some of that, you know, taking advantage of a street course is still around. I think it would be huge. Um, I think having a race, there's not many like streets to doing this on a huge market, but I think just having,
00:45:36
Speaker
A race maybe in like Omaha, Nebraska would be interesting. It is kind of close to, um, uh, to Kansas Speedway a little bit, but I still think it has the potential to reach a group of fans in that upper Great Plains area. Uh, you know, brass, Nebraska, upper Iowa, um, Minnesota, South Dakota, both Dakotas really have an opportunity to go to a race, but
00:46:01
Speaker
You could argue the same thing would happen at Denver, but I still think that that pocket is an area that it's kind of underserved in addition to the Pacific Northwest. And another thing to someplace overseas, I think could also was kind of the play maybe, I mean, you know, someplace in Europe, but also, you got to think in North America, Toronto,
00:46:24
Speaker
I already has a street course that runs Toronto. Yeah, so it'd be perfect or Mexico City even, you know, that would be huge with Dana Suarez's presence for sure. Yeah, I think a challenge to doing this in in Europe is that the European roads are just so narrow to begin with. Like so much more narrow than than what the Chicago street course was. And I think I think one thing that it's kind of lost to a lot of
00:46:53
Speaker
Uh, especially NASCAR fans who don't necessarily watch a lot of, uh, of formula one is that, uh, sure. Formula one does race on the street courts and you street courses in Europe somewhat regularly, especially with, uh, um, you know, the Monaco Grand Prix is being the hallmark one. But the formula one cars over the last 20 years have gotten absolutely enormous. I think there, there are several posts and if I find one, I'll share it on our, on our Twitter, uh, and Instagram, uh, uh, cloudy racing pod.
00:47:24
Speaker
of how much bigger the Formula One cars have gotten. And so of course, when you have bigger cars, you have less space to race around with those bigger cars. So I would have concerns about that with NASCAR, but I still think that opportunity to go over to Europe and how well this car is proving to race on the road courses, whether it's street or a purpose built course is really impressive. One thing I do want to get to real quick on Chicago before we wrap up there is
00:47:54
Speaker
I was very impressed with how respectful the racing was overall, especially after what we saw last year at the Indy road course and the turn one there, what we saw this year at CODA with turn one there. I was like, there's not a chance in the world they're going to get through anything on the street course with the concrete walls around them. And it wasn't an issue at all. Perhaps it was some of the single file restarts and moving the restart zone back before turn 12.
00:48:25
Speaker
I was very impressed with that. It could have been just an absolute dog pile every single restart, and it wasn't. Certainly. And that's when the race went into overtime when the Cup Series won dead. And I was very worried, because usually, you're right, we see some pile ups, just entering into the first turn on some of these courses.
00:48:54
Speaker
But it was it was respectful. There was a lot of clean when there was passing. A lot of it was clean and we didn't really see very many, I guess, major, you know, or I guess, quote unquote, dirty incidents in a way. A crash is really involving any contact that was intentional. It was, you know, just cross ups. If you all have a suggestion on a street course,
00:49:23
Speaker
that NASCAR should try in a somewhere in the United States or even anywhere in the world. Let us know on our Twitter and or Instagram at Cloudy Racing Pod. I would love to hear where you think NASCAR should take the show on the road pun intended on that one, of course. Let's get to our quickly our pop up showers for this week. Jake, did you have something for us for for this past week?
00:49:52
Speaker
Yes, and it just goes back to yesterday. And one thing we have mentioned is the exposure. Obviously, NBC coming out today with their saying yesterday's Cup Series race was the most watched in the last six years, the highest streamed ever. And that's on NBC, right? The most watched on NBC. Yes, on NBC. Because the Daytona 500 had more this year, correct?
00:50:22
Speaker
Yes. But I guess, and I saw, you know, my pop-up shower would just be some major, you know,
00:50:34
Speaker
follower sports figures that have some followers, including, uh, you know, the Pat McAfee's of the world. He has almost 3 million Twitter followers tweeting about the race. Um, you had big cat from barstool. He has over a million and a half followers. He was tweeting about the race in NASCAR. Um, so it was very, you know, it was kind of a standalone event in sports yesterday, which helped you had a lot of exposure that you wouldn't have had in other places.
00:51:06
Speaker
Yeah, the exposure level definitely huge. Pat McAfee has a huge, huge following. Same with the Barcelona guys. So yeah, definitely big having that kind of following. I will say it was kind of the only show
00:51:23
Speaker
last night I mean there was no other sports show I think there was Sunday night in baseball and that was really it because there's nothing NBA or NHL and the PGA Tour event had an early finish they they went off very early yesterday morning off split tees and threesomes here in Detroit ironically to avoid some heavy weather and so so they weren't on to compete against NASCAR either so NASCAR really had
00:51:51
Speaker
the whole show to themselves on uh on especially on network tv uh some Sunday night baseballs on ESPN yes i also had the opportunity to go to i was going to go to mid-ohio for the IndyCar race i didn't end up going just because you know we had severe weather here delicious like a lot of people across the country did this weekend i had to stay around but um i had some buddies that went one first ever IndyCar race and had a great time there so
00:52:22
Speaker
Alex below though, IndyCar just absolutely dominant. He's turning into the Max Verstappen of IndyCar. That's for sure. Yes, definitely. I think for my pup of shower, I have to go with late model stock racing in the Carolinas of Virginia. So Wednesday night was a cars tour race for the late model stocks at Caraway Speedway in North Carolina. Kyle Larson making his cars tour debut.
00:52:50
Speaker
running in a second entry for Junior Motorsports being crew chiefed by Josh Barry in that one the driver who finished first and a very Across the line first and a very heartfelt and emotional win was Lane Riggs the son of former NASCAR Cup Series driver Scott Riggs and he was driving the 62 car owned by Kevin Harvick incorporated Rodney Childers crew chiefing that car and
00:53:19
Speaker
kind of a special moment because early on in his career Rodney Childers crew chief for Scott Riggs and and also Scott drove for Delana Harvick's dad as a he was a car owner so a very touching thing there and then
00:53:41
Speaker
It came out later on afterwards that that car was disqualified and stripped of the win on just a oversight. The track bar had big ends on it.
00:53:54
Speaker
And I'm don't claim to be a full expert on the setups that the late model stocks, but Rodney Childers came out and he accepted responsibility for it. Said it doesn't offer any competitive advantage. They just, you know, the car store wants small ends on the track bars. And so that's what this should have been. So disappointing end there. And so then the car store was off this past weekend because this past weekend on Saturday night was the
00:54:24
Speaker
first race of the Virginia Triple Crown Challenge where it's three big lay model stock races, the first of which was at South Boston, then let go, I believe, to Langley Speedway and then wrap it up at Martinsville.
00:54:39
Speaker
And that race was won by Carson Quofble, of course, the son of former NASCAR Truck Series champion Travis Quofble, driving the number eight for Junior Motorsports. Second place was Landon Huffman, who has been a hard charger and running hard in the late model stocks. And both of those cars ended up being disqualified. And the win going to Bobby McCarty, in Quofble's case,
00:55:09
Speaker
It was a manufacturer issue with his shock from Bilstein that didn't conform, I guess, to the different set of rules for the Cars Tour compared to the NASCAR Advanced Auto Parts Weekly Series that is the official rulebook for the Virginia Triple Crown Challenge.
00:55:31
Speaker
It ended up being a win taken away from Carson Quoppel and then Landon Huffman's car with Nelson Motorsports had a handful of issues. So first and second DQ there. And just wild to think that the two big late model stock races of the last four days both had DQs handing the win to other drivers.
00:55:54
Speaker
So let's get to our race picks from last week and our actual picks. Steve came away the winner. Steve, not with us tonight, unfortunately, had had some things come up, but Chase Elliott finishing third, a good points day for the nine true, trying to make the playoffs finishing third. He got 34 points. Dylan, your guy, Michael McDowell finished seventh, got some stage points in there, finished with 42 points.
00:56:20
Speaker
Jake had AJ Almond dinger. You really needed the other college driver, right? Had 17 17th place finish for the dinger 25 points. I went on a limb with Todd Gilliland, honestly expecting more chaos thinking he would sneak through. He didn't actually have a pretty respectable result 19th place for Todd Gilliland and getting 18 points.
00:56:45
Speaker
Uh, for him in our season long standings, Dylan leads the way with 611 points and he's pulling away. Steve is in second with 568. I'm only three off of Steve at 565. And Jake, you're at 510. And you say I'm the Claudia was a chance of racing handicapper. Uh, pretty much. Yeah. You are in the way. You have one win, eight top fives, 11 top tens.
00:57:11
Speaker
Only one finish of 30th or worst. Steve does have two wins and but only six top fives out of his 11 top 10s and still just one 30 plus for him. But so with the 19th place finish, I go first and as we look toward Atlanta and I'm going to go with with Denny Hamlin. He's been fast last several weeks. The Toyotas have been fast and I think that
00:57:39
Speaker
Uh, driver 11 has, has something he wants to, uh, uh, get off his chest and get under the wind after that, when he got to Kansas. The next one picking is Jake. I will go with the Georgia man needs to win. I will pick chase Elliott. Um, man, wouldn't that be something for him to win at Atlanta? Uh, of course he didn't race there earlier in the season. Mm-hmm.
00:58:09
Speaker
So it's this we're going to attract. It's it's different now from the old Atlanta, obviously. So, you know, I'm excited to just to see, you know, it's it's it'll be a track where I don't think that there will be a heavy favorite. So which will make it all the more exciting. I think it's going to be interesting to see how that track races as the asphalt continues to age, because I thought in the spring
00:58:39
Speaker
there was more lifting there than what I remember of last year. And I'm just wondering if as the track begins to age, it's going to get away from that super speedway type feel. Dylan, you're up next with your pick. For this week, I'm going with, let me knock on some wood as I say this, but the usual safe pick at super speedways in Ryan Blaney, who just always found his way up front,
00:59:08
Speaker
that all of them, which you could also say the same about Chase Elliott, but, um, I'm going with Blaney. I think he's, he's hungry. He obviously just didn't, this towel of racing that we just saw at the street race is not his style at all, but he's getting hot at the right time. I think this is time to win. YRB for Dylan. Steve texted us that he wants Alex Bowman, another HMS driver who desperately needs to win.
00:59:33
Speaker
had an awful points day yesterday. He was, uh, you know, pointed in, if you will, as, uh, the racing started at Chicago by the time the checkered flag fell, he had found himself on the outside looking in. So 48 needs a win in a bad way headed through the summer stretch here. So, uh, Jake has chase Elliott, Dylan has Ryan Blaney, Steve has Alex Bowman, and I have Denny Helen on our actual picks for this week at Atlanta. Let's look back through our.
01:00:03
Speaker
random picks. Jake had a tough showing with Bubba Wallace finishing 31st, getting eight points. Dylan had a even more difficult showing with Martin Shrix Jr. finishing 32nd, although MTJ did get some stage points, so he ended up with 15 total points. Steve, another tough go with Kevin Harvick finishing 29th, only collecting eight points there as well. And then
01:00:33
Speaker
I had Chris Busher, who had a surprise top 10. He keeps finding himself there at the front of the road course races in a sneaky fashion. He ends up with 27 points in our season long standings. I lead the way by a wide margin, 533 points. The next closest to me is Dylan with 409. Jake bringing up the rear at 348, and Steve has 362. So that's the closest battle there. It looks like.
01:01:02
Speaker
It was 14 points between Jake and Steve in our random picks. So let's get the random wheel going here and it will be Dylan's pick for the first go. Wheel is going. And we'll see where it lands. Oh, this is actually a really good pick for you, Dylan. Ricky Stenhouse Jr. Oh, yeah, I will take that day 10 to 500 winner. Yeah.
01:01:29
Speaker
And he always has had a way at the super speedways type tracks. Yeah. Next is Jake. Let's see who he ends up with. It's a random pick for Atlanta. I have a total nine points in the last two races. You might not go very much. You end up with Ty Dillon. Oh. Sorry to break it to you, bud. It is what it is. Steve is up next.
01:01:59
Speaker
Harvick would have been pretty good, I think, for Atlanta. Let's see who he ends up with. Oh, actually a pretty good one here. It's going to stop. Bubble Wallace. It's a good pick there for Steve. And we'll see who I end up with. Wheel is going. OK. OK. OK. OK. I just ticked over. Christopher Bell.
01:02:27
Speaker
I was just on Daniel Suarez and it went over to Seabelle at the very last moment. So for our random picks, Jake has Ty Dillon, Dillon has Ricky Stenhouse Jr., Steve has Bubba Wallace, and I have Christopher Bell. Aside from what we just mentioned, guys, what are we thinking for Atlanta? Dylan, do you have a weather forecast for us?
01:02:52
Speaker
Atlanta it's gonna be hot the rain kind of up in the air, but should be on the warmer end I mean that's par for for mid-july in Atlanta, right? Yes Could be some rain later in the day there's Again kind of all over the place forecast models have been kind of iffy as I just had a big miss again It's a week out. So my miss in Chicago. I was right about Saturday. I'll take me in 50-50 on that
01:03:23
Speaker
rain possibly could impact this weekend. I saw a lot of people talking about that as well with the street race, talking about how Lana's forecast doesn't look great either. It does look warm, but the rain could be a factor, so possibly another Monday race. And I remember this week is another evening start at 7 p.m. start at Atlanta, trying to get some heat out of the atmosphere and not
01:03:48
Speaker
have people sitting out in 90 plus degree temperatures. So keep that in mind. It'll be on USA this weekend. What are we thinking? Is it going to race more like a super speedway track like it did last year? Or do we think there's some more off federal time like we saw in the spring? I think really conflicted to which way I think it'll go.
01:04:14
Speaker
I'm curious what this will also do at night. It's fair. I expect it to be similar to this one. The night point is a good point. That could bring it a little bit closer back to what we saw last year. But honestly, I like the springs race.
01:04:40
Speaker
You know, not quite as bunched up. So I'm hoping for something kind of a hybrid between the two, which could be the case given it being a night. Well, the spring was, uh, I think statistically, um, Ford's best race of the year so far with, uh, Julie Ghana winning Brad Keselowski finishing second Ryan Blaney seventh.
01:05:02
Speaker
Austin centric 11th the fords have not had much speed at all this year, but they finished one to Atlanta back in the spring So we'll see what happens there. Also can't count out driver seven Corolla joy finished fourth there last timeout, but also That team has after a hot start. They have come back down earth a little bit So maybe maybe an opportunity for them to rebound this this weekend there at the
01:05:31
Speaker
D-shaped oval in Atlanta, Georgia Well, I think that's gonna wrap up this episode of cloudy with a chance of racing Thank you all to for listening wherever you get your podcast. We really appreciate that if you also subscribe leave a review rating Stars, whatever your podcast podcast platform allows for we would really appreciate that and tell a friend we'd love to
01:05:58
Speaker
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01:06:28
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And we'd love to get your thoughts as well on what street courses, what cities NASCAR should go to next as a street course venue to get NASCAR into some new markets. Be sure to let us know on that on our socials at Cloudy Racing Pod.
01:06:45
Speaker
A big thank you to Jake and Dylan for hopping on as well. We'll get Steve hopefully back next week. We're still working on some guests. As you can imagine, the NASCAR industry, they are busy folks. So we'll do our best to get some guests here for you. But in the meantime, we'll continue bringing our best analysis and insight into
01:07:07
Speaker
uh, the NASCAR national touring series, uh, here on Claudia with a chance of racing. So for Jake and Dylan, I'm Braxton. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back next week to recap Atlanta summer race. Have a good one.