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Speaker: That's really interesting.
Speaker: Sorry, I'm completely in the dark, so I don't actually know how important all of this is.
Speaker: I didn't actually know that there was a World Cup.
Speaker: Don't hate me.
Speaker: I didn't know that there was a World Cup about to happen.
Speaker: Welcome to Penalty, the podcast where we chat football and spill the tea.
Speaker: I'm Janaye, I am a lifelong football fan and I am a queer mixed-race woman, I suppose, also a musician, and very passionate about the combination of football and queer culture.
Speaker: And I have with me...
Speaker: Hello, I'm Jake.
Speaker: I've got no idea why I'm here.
Speaker: Basically, Janae said, you know, please come on my podcast.
Speaker: If it's a success and it makes money, I'm going to pay for your tea.
Speaker: So that's kind of my motivation to be here.
Speaker: Very excited, though, at that prospect.
Speaker: Hopefully, if it makes a mega bucks, I can get some turkey teeth as well.
Speaker: So different motivations, same purpose.
Speaker: Basically.
Speaker: So, bit of background, what is Penalty?
Speaker: Why are we doing it?
Speaker: So, it's a queer-friendly football podcast incorporating queer culture, football culture, British culture, and just really working towards making the game more accessible and having the conversations that need to happen in and around football.
Speaker: Side note, one of my favourite football commentary phrases is in and around.
Speaker: So, you will hear that a lot.
Speaker: One of my main aims is to find a team for Jake to support.
Speaker: Because I'm clueless about football.
Speaker: I have like zero interest at this present time.
Speaker: Who knows what the future holds about football?
Speaker: I've never been into it.
Speaker: I've known about it at certain points in my life, but I'm pretty much clueless.
Speaker: So this is actually quite interesting for me.
Speaker: Bit of football education, bit of queer fun.
Speaker: Let's go.
Speaker: So I have...
Speaker: Some background questions I would like to start each episode in one of our chats with.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: We are going to be looking at what is our red card of the week and what is our nutmeg of the week.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So what does red card mean?
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So let's go with that first and foremost.
Speaker: So what would you imagine a red card is?
Speaker: Is that the one?
Speaker: That's the one we get sent off, right?
Speaker: That's the one.
Speaker: That's it.
Speaker: So yellow card is a booking.
Speaker: Red card is you are sent off.
Speaker: Yellow card is not that deep.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: But if you get two, it turns into a red.
Speaker: But a straight red is a bad one.
Speaker: Ah, okay.
Speaker: Nothing against the straight.
Speaker: Um...
Speaker: So I'm thinking your red card of the week, what's been something that's really bugged you or irritated you or you haven't liked this week?
Speaker: My red flag, like as in... See it as a red flag, yeah.
Speaker: Red flag or something you want to show the red card to.
Speaker: You'd be like, that was horrible.
Speaker: I want to show that the red card and make it go away.
Speaker: Oh, the fact that, and you might find this later on in the episode, but I've just found this out, I think, but...
Speaker: Donald Trump getting some kind of award by FIFA.
Speaker: Like, what the fuck is that about?
Speaker: Like, well, no, hold on.
Speaker: Was it a peace prize or something?
Speaker: He invented a peace prize for him.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: That doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker: That's a red flag and a red card for me.
Speaker: Perfect, perfect.
Speaker: What would my red card be?
Speaker: My red card would be that I am very excited for a concert that I have coming up, but I don't know if my knees will manage anymore.
Speaker: Nice boring one.
Speaker: So nutmeg of the week.
Speaker: Do you know what a nutmeg is?
Speaker: Is it something to do with balls?
Speaker: I mean, it's a ball.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Okay, go on.
Speaker: No, no.
Speaker: Just tell me because I don't actually know.
Speaker: Yeah, no.
Speaker: Just tell me.
Speaker: Very good in a bechamel sauce.
Speaker: But not that kind of bad leg.
Speaker: A nutmeg is, let's say, you were a footballer, Jakey.
Speaker: Right?
Speaker: You're in your little shorts.
Speaker: You've got your socks pulled up.
Speaker: You're looking fine.
Speaker: You've got your pink football boots.
Speaker: It's beautiful.
Speaker: And you're dribbling along with the ball.
Speaker: So you're running around, the ball's at your feet, and there is someone coming towards you to try and take it from you, J.K.
Speaker: Not fun.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: What do you do?
Speaker: You kick the ball through their legs, run around them and collect it again.
Speaker: That's a nutmeg all through the legs of the opposing player.
Speaker: Oh, okay.
Speaker: Basically, it's what's your huge success of the week?
Speaker: Okay, th is is my huge success.
Speaker: Your nutmeg of the week, what is like your huge success or your highlight or favourite moment?
Speaker: Your win of the week?
Speaker: Getting this podcast going because we've been talking about this idea for like four years and we're finally doing it.
Speaker: That is a success of itself that we are finally coming to do this.
Speaker: I think at the right time, this is a really exciting time for football, right?
Speaker: 100%.
Speaker: It's a very, very exciting time.
Speaker: So just to caveat, I'm stealing your nutmeg of the week.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: That is mine.
Speaker: I promise we'll have different ones moving forward, but I am.
Speaker: I'm very, very obsessed with you.
Speaker: So yes, it's a very important time at the moment.
Speaker: So the Premier League, who are like, you know, it's the top league in never heard of ever.
Speaker: I'm joking.
Speaker: They introduced partway through last season Premier League with Pride, which is basically a movement to encourage their to-be supporters groups at every Premier League club so that it is feeling safe and accessible to queer people to come and enjoy the sport and the other like-minded people without feeling scared to, without feeling marginalised, without feeling excluded, without feeling unsafe.
Speaker: So every single club this season in the Premier League has their own LGBTQ plus supporters group.
Speaker: There is a joint kind of supporter led and club led group, which is fantastic.
Speaker: So, Jakey, I think this is a good moment for us to test your current level of football knowledge.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And it will give us a way to measure it throughout.
Speaker: I'm nervous and slightly embarrassed.
Speaker: It's all good.
Speaker: You can get me back by quizzing me about pop culture or fashion at some point.
Speaker: Okay, great.
Speaker: Fashion questionable, pop culture, okay.
Speaker: It's just me making an assumption because I know nothing about fashion and you dress well, so I assume you do.
Speaker: I'm here in a great bandana.
Speaker: I think make business part of it.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So, okay.
Speaker: First question.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: How long is a football game?
Speaker: Oh, no.
Speaker: 90 minutes?
Speaker: Yay!
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: We're getting somewhere.
Speaker: Perfect.
Speaker: How many players on each team on the pitch?
Speaker: They say it's five a side, right?
Speaker: Five?
Speaker: Or is that just... J'nay space.
Speaker: Six?
Speaker: Twelve?
Speaker: There is a five a side element to some football tournament.
Speaker: But that'll be, in fairness... Sorry, that's what's more pitch, right?
Speaker: In fairness, right.
Speaker: In professional football like the World Cup... I want to lay into the ground right now because I just realised I don't... Okay.
Speaker: So, in, say, a World Cup England game... Okay.
Speaker: How many England players will be on the pitch?
Speaker: At any one time?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: More than five, right?
Speaker: It's more than five.
Speaker: Ten.
Speaker: Very close.
Speaker: Twelve.
Speaker: No, down.
Speaker: Eight.
Speaker: No, we're going in the right direction.
Speaker: Well done, me.
Speaker: Amazing.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: What is a set piece?
Speaker: A set piece?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like a quad piece to protect people.
Speaker: No, it's that big kick.
Speaker: That's a free answer.
Speaker: Like, I don't know, like a set piece, like, like, I don't know, like a Goldie Post or something.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: So it's like, it's a piece of the set.
Speaker: It's the girl.
Speaker: It's no, like, for example, the girl or the thing that's on the corner, that little pole.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: A set piece is anything that we're trying to be dumb people.
Speaker: I actually do not understand.
Speaker: I didn't know because that's the beauty of this.
Speaker: That's why we're doing this.
Speaker: It makes sense that it's not there.
Speaker: Why would you know this?
Speaker: I just don't want to make anyone angry.
Speaker: I literally am in the dark.
Speaker: So a set piece is where the game is restarted by something where it's not just naturally in place.
Speaker: So a corner, a free kick, a throw in, a penalty.
Speaker: That is a set piece.
Speaker: Am I expected to remember any of this?
Speaker: Absolutely not.
Speaker: There's not going to be a test at the end, is there?
Speaker: Not at the end.
Speaker: I might ask you these questions again after a few episodes, see if there's any difference.
Speaker: No listeners do not read me.
Speaker: If I do not remember, I promise to remain in the dark and learn nothing and do no homework about football in the meantime.
Speaker: Perfect.
Speaker: And you can educate me purely on this podcast.
Speaker: On my... For the pleasure of our listeners.
Speaker: Okay, so my fine one say.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Jakey.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: What is a sub?
Speaker: Again, are you talking like in my personal life?
Speaker: In football, just to... We'll keep it clean for now.
Speaker: Okay, okay, for now at least.
Speaker: Oh, a sub is... Oh, a substitute.
Speaker: And what is that?
Speaker: So when someone's getting a bit tired or they're doing a bit of shit, like you take them off or they're injured, you take them off and then you sub them up.
Speaker: Like...
Speaker: In the showers, Arthur.
Speaker: No, no, I mean on the pitch with somebody else.
Speaker: I mean, each to their own.
Speaker: What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room.
Speaker: And you know it happens.
Speaker: You know it happens.
Speaker: Perfect.
Speaker: Well, I must say, I'm actually quite impressed.
Speaker: With my knowledge?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I wasn't as shit as I thought I would be, but like, yeah.
Speaker: I'm going to make the questions harder next time.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Jakey?
Speaker: Yes?
Speaker: It's match time!
Speaker: So, do you know what the big tournament is that's happening right now?
Speaker: Okay, I didn't before talking to Janae about seriously doing this podcast.
Speaker: I had no idea that there was a World Cup coming up.
Speaker: But honestly enough, after Janae said this to me, I did notice on the notice board at work that there was a list, a cutout from a newspaper with a list of all the qualified teams.
Speaker: And I was like, oh, so that's what that is about the World Cup.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: You just thought they just had a list of countries up?
Speaker: I just didn't pay any attention.
Speaker: I don't really look at the nose border.
Speaker: Send me an email.
Speaker: So World Cup group stages.
Speaker: Basically, you have four teams in each group and they play each other once and it's like a mini league.
Speaker: And people that finish at the top get to go through to the next stage of the World Cup, which is the knockout stages.
Speaker: Where it's literally you play a game, the winner goes through to the next round.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So you have your group stages and your round of 32.
Speaker: So 32 teams left.
Speaker: Then your round of 16.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And then your quarterfinals, semifinals, final.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: All very exciting.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So we are going to be watching England's first game.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So it's in the group stages and we are playing against Croatia.
Speaker: Nice.
Speaker: Always wanted to go.
Speaker: Ubrovnik.
Speaker: Dubrovnik.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Dubrovnik, lovely.
Speaker: It's on my two.
Speaker: So, yeah, we'll have to see what happens.
Speaker: I, with all transparency, don't hold out much hope, but that's just because I haven't really watched much of England men's football over the last few years.
Speaker: So it'd be nice to get back into it.
Speaker: Because Southgate isn't a part of it anymore, is he?
Speaker: No, it's not.
Speaker: We now have a guy called Thomas Tuchel.
Speaker: So, yeah, first game.
Speaker: Quite often, a World Cup opening game is quite exciting because you're playing in a country that you would rarely play.
Speaker: So one of the other teams in our group is Ghana.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Not a team that England have played very frequently.
Speaker: Croatia, on the other hand, I feel like we play them every six months.
Speaker: There are so many countries in history of it.
Speaker: So we shall see.
Speaker: We shall see.
Speaker: But yeah, we're going to have your first entertaining education watch in a football match.
Speaker: Are you excited?
Speaker: Exciting times.
Speaker: Yeah, actually, this will be interesting.
Speaker: Let's go.
Speaker: Big excitement.
Speaker: Tackling England versus Croatia.
Speaker: Oh, here you go.
Speaker: There's the lineups.
Speaker: This is really important.
Speaker: This is all the men we're going to see.
Speaker: Thank you.
Speaker: This dude is 40.
Speaker: Luka Modric is 40 years old and still captaining his country.
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: Okay, so even you can see that's huge, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I thought they were all supposed to be like 16 or something.
Speaker: Like...
Speaker: So this is not the under-20s role count.
Speaker: I mean, this is a fully grown fan.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I'm kind of yeezing because I watched a Colleen Rooney documentary and then they're brain-rooney like 16, 17 when he started.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Brain Rooney was 16 when he broke through.
Speaker: Because aren't their careers like dead?
Speaker: Like after like...
Speaker: Like, I don't know, like mid-20s, late 20s or something?
Speaker: It's upping.
Speaker: It used to be that it would kind of be like, right, you're going to peak by your early 20s.
Speaker: And by the time you're in your late 20s, you're probably towards the end of your career.
Speaker: If you were still playing like first team football, so starting every game in your late 20s to early 30s, that used to be seen as like incredible, miraculous.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Nowadays, it's like mid to late 20s is when you hit your peak and people are playing well into their mid 30s.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And Croatia's captain is 40 and is probably going to live forever.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: That's incredible.
Speaker: Like people's perception of age has just changed so much.
Speaker: I think over the last 10 years probably.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Right, so the game has kicked off.
Speaker: Let's see if England are going to bring it home.
Speaker: Did you miss that?
Speaker: Don't read me about England.
Speaker: I'm not doing a Jessica's Citizen moment, but they are in the white, aren't they?
Speaker: They have a change for like...
Speaker: Okay, okay, see now.
Speaker: Now we're up close, so we've been chatting the whole time.
Speaker: I get that.
Speaker: All good.
Speaker: And the Skulldords always, every channel does it differently, but they'll always have some kind of indicator next to the team.
Speaker: So ITV have got it as the white line for England.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And the blue line for Croatia.
Speaker: Okay, cool.
Speaker: They're infernalists.
Speaker: I feel really dumb for like not knowing this, but yeah.
Speaker: That's not done at all because England's main home colour kit is white, but they have also previously regularly played in red kits or blue kits.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So it makes sense.
Speaker: And this works for me because I'm used to supporting Fulham who play in white at home.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So it's nice and easy for me to follow.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I won't be at risk of cheering for the wrong team.
Speaker: So what is England's away...
Speaker: colour away kit colour do you know what I don't actually know what they've done for the second strip this season because full transparency so early on in the episode and we found something that Jake doesn't know about football and England second kit let's see it's the beauty of a laptop it's red
Speaker: Okay, yeah.
Speaker: It's rare.
Speaker: It reminds me of the night.
Speaker: In the night is probably the last time I paid attention to football.
Speaker: That, like, the England, like, some people were wearing red England tops.
Speaker: So it's remained the same.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But, yeah, the badge is in, like, the middle of the shirt, which I'm not as keen on.
Speaker: Mmm.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's giving, I don't know, sports direct rather than JD sports.
Speaker: Love that.
Speaker: Right, this guy, England's goalkeeper in the yellow and orange, Jordan Pickford.
Speaker: Which one, sorry?
Speaker: This one, so he's got gloves on and he's wearing a thin colour.
Speaker: He's clapping, yeah.
Speaker: So there's two goalkeepers, one on each team.
Speaker: Him, like, you're there for about him later.
Speaker: I can't pronounce it.
Speaker: Number six.
Speaker: Number six.
Speaker: Keep that in mind.
Speaker: Keep that number in mind.
Speaker: It's my lucky number today.
Speaker: But yeah, obviously the goalkeepers are the only players that can touch the ball with their hands, but only when they're in their special box.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Is the easiest way.
Speaker: So this big box here...
Speaker: There's various rules I'm sure we'll come on to at some point as to when they can and can't.
Speaker: The crucial point is Jordan Pickford is hilarious.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Absolutely hilarious.
Speaker: So hopefully we'll get some nice moments where he makes a great save or someone makes a stupid mistake and you get to see his facial expressions.
Speaker: Ah, okay.
Speaker: Like the man deserves a BAFTA.
Speaker: It's in the visage.
Speaker: It's in... Okay, okay.
Speaker: It's in the looks, honey.
Speaker: I thought it would be like he would do like a little dance or something.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: You get some of them that do that.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I'm hoping there'll be some decent goal celebrations because they're often very entertaining.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: But Jordan Pickford can't like hard dis emotions.
Speaker: It's very, you can see.
Speaker: Yeah, he's got an incredibly valuable face.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Just for the record, Harry Kane, the England captain, a legendary striker, etc.
Speaker: should have scored and I don't know what just happened.
Speaker: Did he flop it or was it deflected?
Speaker: I was not watching the screen.
Speaker: So, yeah, the mum could have scored.
Speaker: They could have scored like twice.
Speaker: I mean, it was a rubbish shot, but there was a deflection.
Speaker: So he's getting off scot-free here.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So that's a caller that's been taken by Declan Rice, who did a fantastic ad campaign with Mother Rice.
Speaker: Declan Rice, Rice, baby.
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Yeah, perfect.
Speaker: I also saw there's one of our defenders is a guy called Dammerburn, right?
Speaker: Very, very tall.
Speaker: He's not on the pitch at the minute, I don't think.
Speaker: I'll let you know if I spot him.
Speaker: I know him because he used to play for Fulham and he's missing a finger.
Speaker: Oh, wow.
Speaker: Right, so two very fun matches on the arc there.
Speaker: I saw yesterday send it to Superwag, who didn't find it as entertaining as I did for obvious reasons.
Speaker: Hang on a minute, we've got a penalty.
Speaker: Oh, no, no.
Speaker: Are you all right about Harry Kane?
Speaker: I'm not entirely sure what I just missed, but something happened.
Speaker: I'm going to assume it was a handball.
Speaker: But if I've just managed to find a way to not get bored by VAR reviews by just chatting with you, this is a game changer.
Speaker: I feel like I watched you beef already.
Speaker: Oh, it was the 40-year-old captain that gave away a penalty.
Speaker: Right, so is Harry Kane going to do it?
Speaker: The classic phrase, Jakey.
Speaker: Can you take it like Harry Kane?
Speaker: Huh?
Speaker: Oh.
Speaker: Do you want video ever there is?
Speaker: Oh.
Speaker: Ah, there is that even word out.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Wow, what an English start.
Speaker: Hello.
Speaker: Hello.
Speaker: Harry Kane, does he get the good endorsements?
Speaker: He doesn't get the Sports Direct ones.
Speaker: He gets like... I'm going to have to be careful how I phrase things.
Speaker: I don't want to offend people.
Speaker: He gets a lot of stick for how he talks.
Speaker: How his voice sounds.
Speaker: Speaking of which, it looks like they might be allowed to review the penalty he's just taken.
Speaker: What was something... Right, okay.
Speaker: Let me run you through this.
Speaker: VAR?
Speaker: There, right, there it is.
Speaker: You see this goalie?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So the goalie has to have, as the ball is kicked, at least one of their feet still on their line.
Speaker: Is that why the other guy pushed him?
Speaker: Because you saw one of his own players push him after they were kind of celebrating.
Speaker: Maybe he was like, maybe he noticed it.
Speaker: So yeah, so they've done the VAR video assistant, referee, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker: So they then reviewed it and gone, oh, no, you came off the line.
Speaker: Penalty is voided.
Speaker: Retake it.
Speaker: So how are you came out of it?
Speaker: I get a second chance.
Speaker: Okay, interesting.
Speaker: It's wild.
Speaker: Goldie's playing mind games.
Speaker: He's standing there having some water.
Speaker: When I say it looks like FIFA, it looks like the game, like the way that they've kind of recorded the camera.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: It's like a movie.
Speaker: Like, this isn't like football, like how you used to watch it as a kid.
Speaker: It's like there's close-ups, everything, and it's in HD.
Speaker: Oscar Wilde.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Buchanan's Keisha Buchanan.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So we scored.
Speaker: But yes, Harry Kane.
Speaker: 24 is also my lucky number.
Speaker: 24 from the England team, just saying.
Speaker: Okay, so you like Rhys James.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Is he too young?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: He plays for Chelsea.
Speaker: Oh, okay.
Speaker: So it's a me problem.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: That's not an issue.
Speaker: It always changed out of the Chelsea outfit for me.
Speaker: Sorry, it was the girl.
Speaker: They called Chelsea Kier.
Speaker: Chelsea outfit.
Speaker: Let's go, Stuny.
Speaker: Take on the scotting.
Speaker: But yeah, so Harry Kane scored the penalty.
Speaker: He's always had a lot of people giving it to him for his voice.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I will not do an impression of his voice.
Speaker: We will know what Harry Kane sounds like.
Speaker: I will show you later.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: They say we all, but you know that I don't... Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But yeah, it's a bit like taking the piss out of someone because they've got a mould on the end of their nose.
Speaker: It's just like, why?
Speaker: Why?
Speaker: What does it matter?
Speaker: But he's an easy target for it, especially because he's England captain.
Speaker: For his many years that he was at Tottenham, before he left to play in Europe, he was captain.
Speaker: So it was always him doing interviews with the media after matches, doing press conferences for big matches kind of thing.
Speaker: So, yeah, slated for it.
Speaker: Really neat.
Speaker: It's like Enrique Iglesias, remember when he had them all and then he had it removed because people were taking the mick.
Speaker: God, when was that?
Speaker: Do you remember both the letter with them all taught?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, God.
Speaker: Poor Enrique.
Speaker: Poor Enrique.
Speaker: Or just before and after.
Speaker: He will always be our hero.
Speaker: Yeah, no, they got him and they got Pray David.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Like, he's spoken quite openly about how that still impacts him.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Awful.
Speaker: She'll be however loved hers.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Obviously, even the penal, like, one or something.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Nothing about this is gracious, but it's very brash.
Speaker: Why is this changing?
Speaker: Oh, Dallas and Texas.
Speaker: Dallas is in Texas.
Speaker: That's why it's changing.
Speaker: So can you guess where the World Cup is being hosted?
Speaker: Which country?
Speaker: America, right?
Speaker: Yes, but I'm also a bit... Which countries?
Speaker: Which countries?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Qatar?
Speaker: America?
Speaker: Qatar.
Speaker: Fair play.
Speaker: Who's a Qatar Airways?
Speaker: So, he's in country.
Speaker: Plural.
Speaker: Right, so, fun fact, it was Qatar last time.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: A lot of controversy around that that we can come on to.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: No, this is the first time the World Cup is being hosted across three nations.
Speaker: The USA.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Canada.
Speaker: And Hiccup.
Speaker: Oh, okay.
Speaker: So all like North America-ish?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Part of the continent.
Speaker: I mean, not like the country North America, but... Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Exactly that.
Speaker: So yeah, all very strange.
Speaker: One second, Superwag needs to go and deal with screaming dogs.
Speaker: Oh, okay.
Speaker: Well, do they want to be part of this?
Speaker: Like?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think we've always been around anyway.
Speaker: We've already established that I'm not well-used by what we saw, which is always a good test for me.
Speaker: Always a good test.
Speaker: It's funny, again, if this was England women, I'd be losing my mind.
Speaker: Here's some politics.
Speaker: They're having a hydration break.
Speaker: I love that.
Speaker: What is that gel?
Speaker: Is that a sweat or is that like gel on his like neck?
Speaker: It looks kind of jelly.
Speaker: Oh, that's... Does the restaurant sweat in?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Oh, no.
Speaker: He's just a sweater.
Speaker: If I was on that pitch, like there would be everyone around me looking bad and dry and I would be like dripping.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It'd be like, oh, Elphaba's dad.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Basically.
Speaker: I love the one goalkeeper in neon pink.
Speaker: Just representing the LGBT.
Speaker: No, my man.
Speaker: No, it's number 10.
Speaker: Okay, it's fine.
Speaker: It's okay.
Speaker: That's fine.
Speaker: I thought number 34 was injured, but we're all good.
Speaker: Number 10 can take one for the two.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Ah, no, like literally And I noticed he's like by himself a lot on the pitch And I would be like, I would be chasing after him I would be the streetcar on that pitch Just chasing after that man So he found number 24, Rhys James Plays for Chelsea, plays for England His sister, Lauren James Also plays for Chelsea, England Love that Yeah, and they are both people I would not want to mess with Really?
Speaker: Okay, why so?
Speaker: Because they're really, really strong and athletic and they turn me to peace.
Speaker: Okay, so we love you, the James family.
Speaker: I forgot their names.
Speaker: Yeah, the James people.
Speaker: Yeah, we love you.
Speaker: On this podcast.
Speaker: Are you really politically correct?
Speaker: We are.
Speaker: But the James family, the James people.
Speaker: I know, Alessandra and Rooney, I know those two players.
Speaker: You do, absolute icons.
Speaker: Absolute icons.
Speaker: But yes, now the guy that was down on the football, I think was trying to claim a penalty.
Speaker: Oh, another referee's got his figure in there.
Speaker: Yeah, football's very gay.
Speaker: Tell us what, like, for you, just like watching what you've seen in the background behind our chatting, what's gay about football?
Speaker: As an outsider that is not into the game.
Speaker: The, the, the am dram level of dramatics, like it's not even convincing and you're throwing yourself on the floor.
Speaker: You take a class, if you do acting school in like combat and stuff where like you learn how to like fight and like feign being hurt.
Speaker: Like these people did not take that course.
Speaker: It is like, yeah, it is GCSE level dramatics over here, but I'm, I'm secretly loving it as well.
Speaker: It's quite camp.
Speaker: Oh, it's incredible.
Speaker: And they're pink trainers of High Camp as well.
Speaker: I'm loving it.
Speaker: Yeah, it's all.
Speaker: Do any of them, I swear, like I still come with like, like LGBT plus armbands.
Speaker: Are we not in fashion right now?
Speaker: Yeah, so we've got, oh my God, what a God.
Speaker: Hello?
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Got it.
Speaker: It was a Croatian goal.
Speaker: What is it?
Speaker: Are you proud of me that I knew that the ability for it?
Speaker: I'm very proud of you, but again, it's leaning into my concern you're going to be a Chelsea fan because they're in play.
Speaker: Nah, all the red and white checks you can see the fans in.
Speaker: That's their kind of first choice.
Speaker: So how our first choice is playing in white.
Speaker: Horatius is the red and white checks.
Speaker: What a goal.
Speaker: Look at that.
Speaker: Is it someone sexy that scored?
Speaker: I mean, that's a you question.
Speaker: Yes, 2-1.
Speaker: So from a corner, nice set piece, beautiful clinical header.
Speaker: Oh, look, your man's, your man's, both of your men, look at his hat.
Speaker: Or just one really hairy leg.
Speaker: Think it's chap?
Speaker: One patted leg.
Speaker: I don't know what I said.
Speaker: Oh, there you go.
Speaker: What's his hat?
Speaker: Oh, your man's just hit it straight at the defending wall.
Speaker: And we're going to be afraid and go over the racial.
Speaker: Oh, kind of a bit of that.
Speaker: I mean, that in itself is a controversial topic in football, is if you were to take the concept of bisexuality or pansexuality into football.
Speaker: How many closet cases?
Speaker: Like, come on now.
Speaker: I'm not talking literal sexuality.
Speaker: I'm talking sporting more than one team.
Speaker: Oh, okay.
Speaker: It's controversial.
Speaker: But also, yeah, sexuality is controversial in football, full stop.
Speaker: Surprise!
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Something out, like recently, right?
Speaker: I'm a bubbler.
Speaker: So I think it was a couple of years ago now, Joshua Cavallo, who is Australian.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So he came out.
Speaker: Where's that one came out?
Speaker: Like recently, like the last couple of months.
Speaker: Maybe it's taken that long that my gay ears.
Speaker: The first British or English professional footballer to come out whilst still playing, I believe.
Speaker: Well, no, in recent times, it's Jake Daniels.
Speaker: He plays for Black Ball.
Speaker: He came out in 2022.
Speaker: And that was the first time since Justin Fashion-y.
Speaker: And Nightyana, yeah, we need to, like, we will be into that at some point.
Speaker: 100%.
Speaker: I know that story, even though I'm in Tiff before now.
Speaker: Oh, my God.
Speaker: Oh, Tucci, this is getting tense.
Speaker: It's a Tessman.
Speaker: Tucci.
Speaker: 26.
Speaker: Oh, my gosh.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Oh, and then he immediately held all the safety ones.
Speaker: Was he?
Speaker: Oh, was there going to?
Speaker: No, I think.
Speaker: Is it 2-2?
Speaker: Oh, my goodness.
Speaker: No, I think that was all inside.
Speaker: It's very, very, very tight, but I think Haboot was playing the guy on side.
Speaker: 24 hasn't happened any of it, and I'm on 24 side.
Speaker: We're sticking it in, at least for this one match, okay?
Speaker: So grassroots, shout out, grassroots football is hugely important in every community, in young people's lives, in young adults' lives.
Speaker: Just giving people a safe local space to come together, do something physical together, have a bit of a community feel.
Speaker: So I think it would be quite fun each week to highlight some kind of grassroots organisation.
Speaker: Not necessarily a football club, but something that is community-led for the communities they're there to serve.
Speaker: On a slightly selfish note, I am going to be mentioning Middlesex Pride because I am part of organising it.
Speaker: So Middlesex Pride is a family-friendly Pride event that takes place at Gunnarsbury Park.
Speaker: It is fossil-free.
Speaker: What does fossil free mean as in fossil fuel?
Speaker: That is exactly what it means.
Speaker: We're environmentally friendly.
Speaker: We're politically aware.
Speaker: We're kind.
Speaker: So this year on Sunday, the 2nd of August at Gunsbury Park will be Middlesex Bride.
Speaker: It is free to attend.
Speaker: There are lots of performers, lots of activities.
Speaker: We have a creativity corner.
Speaker: We've got lots of workshops happening.
Speaker: And it's just all around a really, really lovely day for various parts of the Middlesex community to come together and realise that
Speaker: Oh, okay.
Speaker: I do have a circle.
Speaker: I do have a safe circle.
Speaker: I can find this queer community in the space I grew up in that I didn't think it was safe in.
Speaker: Harry Kane's back in the building.
Speaker: There you go.
Speaker: Second half's about to kick off.
Speaker: The question remains, can you take it like Harry Kane?
Speaker: What is Superwag saying about these unspoken statistics?
Speaker: Speak into the mic, Superwag.
Speaker: Superwag, come into it to us.
Speaker: See, thumb to the mic.
Speaker: Just say that...
Speaker: Menelby and some other people have been posting about the importance of the unspoken stat of how much domestic violence can increase during games of this kind of magnitude.
Speaker: Maybe a bigger conversation for another day.
Speaker: 100%.
Speaker: I will definitely delve into that at some point because it's mad.
Speaker: It's like if England play, it goes up a certain amount.
Speaker: If we lose, it goes up even more.
Speaker: But even if they win more, it's just, it's mental.
Speaker: Absolutely none, so.
Speaker: Maurice is in agreement.
Speaker: Maurice the dog.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The book, I think it's Louise Cannon that wrote it with her.
Speaker: Who's that?
Speaker: Mel B's book.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Louise Cannon, I think is the journalist that she wrote with, is incredible.
Speaker: It's very heart-wrenching.
Speaker: It's not like an easy read, but it's a very necessary read, and I definitely recommend it to anybody listening.
Speaker: We missed the goal.
Speaker: We're not going to be able to be.
Speaker: Sorry, in my life, the Spice Girls take precedence over any World Cup football game.
Speaker: I was trying to display that football fans can be respectful and even if a goal happens, they won't.
Speaker: Number 10.
Speaker: Ferlingham.
Speaker: Number 10.
Speaker: Ah.
Speaker: Hey, Jews.
Speaker: Is that true?
Speaker: How old is he?
Speaker: I've got a person called Jude.
Speaker: Is he from the same age?
Speaker: Jude was like very, like, has had a resurgence in popularity as a name.
Speaker: He was born in 2003.
Speaker: Of course he was.
Speaker: He's like Gen Z. Yeah.
Speaker: Three years old.
Speaker: So going back to like campness, gayness, queerness, queer inspiration in football.
Speaker: So we spoke about the arm drum, the passion, the... Obviously you do some arm drum.
Speaker: Like, yeah, the K-suit.
Speaker: Yeah, it's very panto-dangue.
Speaker: Um...
Speaker: I also think even just down to, I wouldn't say it's necessarily queer or camp, but it's just interesting when you look at the amount of misogyny and homophobia and transphobia around sport, particularly football.
Speaker: I thought you were about to say in the queer community.
Speaker: You look at the amount of homophobia in the queer community...
Speaker: I used to be on Grindr, maybe.
Speaker: But then you also kind of look at the pride they take in their appearances, how much they want to make sure even when they are being professional, top-level athletes running around playing a sport, but they still need to make sure their hair's fine.
Speaker: Still needs to make sure their shirt fits right.
Speaker: All of that.
Speaker: So you do that on the pitch and on your social media, but it's a problem if queer people do that.
Speaker: Hold on, like, there must be stylists, like, on the side of the pitch, right?
Speaker: Like, just fixing them up.
Speaker: 100%.
Speaker: Zhijijing them.
Speaker: Which begs the question of why the hell Anthony Gordon has been allowed to have a Princess Diana haircut?
Speaker: Because, oh, God, but there's so many memes.
Speaker: He needs to come on in the revenge dress.
Speaker: he does like maybe do you know like when it's half time and it's time to switch the or the last minute like when they switch the players over try and win the game that's when he needs to come on in the revenge gown you know and just have his way with the other team.
Speaker: Jeky what's your school prediction?
Speaker: How much do they usually score?
Speaker: I think this will be it, no?
Speaker: Or maybe it'll be 3-3 and then penalties.
Speaker: That'll be quite spicy.
Speaker: Right, I have two very sad pieces of news for you.
Speaker: One, this is what's called group stages.
Speaker: So they're kind of like mini-leagues.
Speaker: So it doesn't go to the penalties.
Speaker: I'm so sorry.
Speaker: Three, it's really intense.
Speaker: When we get to the knockout stages, we'll probably get some penalties.
Speaker: The other really sad thing I have for you is there is at least 36 minutes left of this.
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: Jesus Christ.
Speaker: I thought we were near the end.
Speaker: Let's talk some more.
Speaker: Can we go back to Melbourne?
Speaker: Tell us more about Melbourne's look.
Speaker: Oh, it's really good.
Speaker: 18 attempts.
Speaker: Oh, so England are doing better because I matched that 18 attempts at a goal and Bryce is 4, right?
Speaker: I'm paying attention is my science is my shock base yes why aren't you paying attention today why do you say that because I don't have a reason so like any football fan I'm going to go it was the restful it was free and also VR yeah yeah yeah let's roll with that for now
Speaker: 24 again, sorry.
Speaker: Every time I go to say something, 24 distracts me.
Speaker: It's the eyes.
Speaker: You cannot deny that man has beautiful eyes.
Speaker: How do you feel going to a football game?
Speaker: Do you feel... Is that what motivates you to go?
Speaker: So, I mean, because I've had a season ticket at Fulham since I was like 10 years old.
Speaker: So, for me, it's always felt like a safe place in a home.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I first started going to games there when I was like five or six.
Speaker: And I'd been going to Arsenal games as well because my dad's an Arsenal fan.
Speaker: And I think because I've grown up with that community, it has always felt really safe, really comfortable somewhere I want to be.
Speaker: Like, it's one of those things for me, like, I was having a really bad week, but I knew I had a Fulham game at Fulham that I was going to that weekend.
Speaker: Like, it'd be like, that's going to help me recharge.
Speaker: I feel good there.
Speaker: Um, 4-2 in there.
Speaker: Very nice.
Speaker: Thank you.
Speaker: Amazing.
Speaker: He's going to never there.
Speaker: Is it Rashford?
Speaker: Oh, no, it's Rashford.
Speaker: Was he the substitute?
Speaker: Yeah, he's one of the ones that came on.
Speaker: He's going to never there.
Speaker: Yeah, like, we've been there.
Speaker: And, you know, where we've sat, there's amazing familiar faces for all the years.
Speaker: I think I'm quite fortunate with where we are at Fulham, where I have always sat with my family.
Speaker: We're surrounded by nice people.
Speaker: Dressed like Free Lions.
Speaker: I can't.
Speaker: Absolutely iconic.
Speaker: But yeah, still going to home games.
Speaker: I love it.
Speaker: As I kind of got more into... Once I got into adulthood and was travelling up to games on my home and stuff, I feel a little bit more concerned about some of the lad culture and drinking culture and away fans and things like that.
Speaker: For me, the biggest difference is going to a home game at Fulham or going to watch Fulham at an away game at someone else's stadium because it's a very different culture of fans.
Speaker: So, like, quite often, it would be me and my brother Freddie who goes to an away game.
Speaker: It could be that it's what's called a low derby game.
Speaker: So, if it's like Fulham v Brentford or Fulham v Chelsea, so it's both West London teams, they're always a lot more charged anyway.
Speaker: But any away game I've been to, even with Fulham fans who are quite widely known as being a bit, well, not known as, but stereotypes as being...
Speaker: A bit posh, a bit rich, a bit boring.
Speaker: You know, it would be like, oh, you've got your Victoria sponge and your cheese board ready for the football kind of thing.
Speaker: But you go to Watch for them away and it's such a different group of fans and mentality to get there.
Speaker: It's a lot of,
Speaker: blokes, young, mid-range old, all just wanting to get drunk, have a fight, have a party, and the ones that know the limit and know when not to go too far, and then the other ones that are really intimidating and really offensive.
Speaker: I've been to see Fulham play Bryson S Bryson and... Albion.
Speaker: Albion and the Seagulls are both ears.
Speaker: I've been near there.
Speaker: I remember going there,
Speaker: three or four times over maybe the last 15 years.
Speaker: And the amount of homophobic abuse you hear from Fulham fans towards the Brighton players try to form off just because it's Brighton.
Speaker: And she says, what?
Speaker: And that's just one example.
Speaker: Not particularly gay.
Speaker: They're just like... It's just a ditty that's very open to everybody and accept to everybody.
Speaker: And that's an issue for them.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: And you see a lot more of that if you're in the away end than in the home end.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think a lot of that as well is, you know, since...
Speaker: or at least, again, probably about 15 years now, where me and my family sit at Fulham is in what's called the family zone.
Speaker: So it's where they encourage families with children to go.
Speaker: There are a lot more on it, but it's like,
Speaker: You know, I have been known in my past to occasionally jump up, shouting and swearers at the football and, you know, going for it.
Speaker: There are a lot more there if you're up there really, like, effing and blinds me going for it.
Speaker: You have ships, your staff numbers come in and, like, reminding you that you're in the family zone and you rein it in.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You get rowdy in areas of the home crowd, but it's never that level of just kind of like aggressive and offensive just to the sake of being it because you want to be.
Speaker: With the wave bands, you get that a lot more, which is a shame.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm quite fortunate.
Speaker: You know, I can go to a Fulham game, I can take my wife along and we can have a great time and not have to worry.
Speaker: But there's still the element of when you're walking to the ground from the train station.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: you are naturally more heightened and aware, even if you're not by out.
Speaker: Because I'm not... If I was very femme-presenting walking into a football game, I'd have different concerns, being in that much of a kind of alcohol-heavy, male-dominated, blokey kind of place.
Speaker: So with a non-femme-presenting, quite stereotypically obviously gay woman...
Speaker: walking through there, you do.
Speaker: You have to kind of look over your shoulder a bit.
Speaker: You do just naturally feel worried.
Speaker: But do you think they would look at you and think that you're gay?
Speaker: Maybe not so much that my hair is a bit longer now, but certainly me in the past, I felt that.
Speaker: Certainly tend on what I'm wearing.
Speaker: But also I'm aware that I think football has, for as long as I can remember, has been a lot more accepting to queer women than queer men.
Speaker: Because I think a lot of the time they see queer women as one of the lads and that makes it okay.
Speaker: So I think I've had a bit of an easier ride with it.
Speaker: I think it's very, very, very different with queer men.
Speaker: Very different.
Speaker: There's people I've seen at Fulham who I know are queer men and I know from what I've seen in social media or if I've seen them in other places that they normally present a lot camper.
Speaker: at the football, but I don't.
Speaker: And I just think that's really, really sad.
Speaker: Really, really, really sad because we're all meant to be there for the same purpose.
Speaker: All these different peoples from different walks of life coming together to support the same group of people.
Speaker: Yet people feel they have to change themselves out of here.
Speaker: It's really sad.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Really weird, like the division.
Speaker: But I don't know if that's rightfully, Sarah.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I'm not the one to decide.
Speaker: But it's interesting how the divisions are made.
Speaker: Oh, and how even in something like team sports that are meant to be bringing people together, cause such division.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Promote such division.
Speaker: It's why the performative aspect and there's performative restrictions about how you act if you are...
Speaker: wanting you to play a game, essentially.
Speaker: I love that you literally just ended that match with such a pivotal comment on yet another parallel between the queer community and the football community.
Speaker: It is exactly that.
Speaker: It is.
Speaker: There is such a kind of like, no, you need to be like this.
Speaker: You need to perform like this.
Speaker: Both.
Speaker: It's amazing.
Speaker: And we won, by the way.
Speaker: Yeah, three points to England.
Speaker: Just England for Croatia 2.
Speaker: So, Jakey, it's time to hit the showers.
Speaker: Are you excited?
Speaker: I am, very much indeed.
Speaker: So, what did you take away from watching that fabulous game of football?
Speaker: The number 24 is my lucky number.
Speaker: Whoever he is, God bless him.
Speaker: He's a very beautiful man.
Speaker: So, my takeaway.
Speaker: Perfect.
Speaker: Rhys James, hear that.
Speaker: My takeaway is it was a great opening game.
Speaker: God bless you, Rhys.
Speaker: And your lovely bone structure and your gorgeous eyes.
Speaker: Now I'm remembering the eyes.
Speaker: It's the eyes specifically that got me.
Speaker: So Janae, now I want to ask you as a football fan and someone who is knowledgeable about football, unlike myself, what did you make of this game?
Speaker: And what are your takeaways also?
Speaker: I think the overriding takeaway for me is to see England come out how they did, ready to fight.
Speaker: Be up against a team that are giving it back just as hard and still not get to a point where, oh, okay, so we were leading and now we're losing this game.
Speaker: Or, oh, it's gone back to a draw and we can't quite find a way back forward.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So it gets to halftime and it felt quite, oh, okay, right, this is going to be another case of England not being able to put it out of the bag.
Speaker: Come out to start the second half, very early goal.
Speaker: I think it was like less than two minutes into the second half.
Speaker: And for me, that was such a great sign of showing where the team's mentality is, the squad's mentality is.
Speaker: I think especially after, you know, the decade that Southgate spent building up this culture within them and building up the right motivations for them individually and as a group,
Speaker: I feel like we really saw that come to fruition in this opening game of the World Cup, even though Southgate's not there anymore.
Speaker: It's shown the long-term impact of that.
Speaker: So it was really promising to see, you know, this, especially with so many young players in the squad, coming out with that fight, that motivation, that resilience.
Speaker: So gone but not forgotten, Southgate.
Speaker: Never forgotten.
Speaker: Like an impact award goes to.
Speaker: So yeah, that's my main takeaway.
Speaker: I think it's a really, really exciting time.
Speaker: Interesting.
Speaker: Okay, cool.
Speaker: Well, thank you very much for tuning in to our first episode.
Speaker: And, Jakey, may I say thank you so much for being willing to commit to watching two hours of sport with me.
Speaker: It's been a challenge.
Speaker: I've enjoyed, though.
Speaker: It's been fun.
Speaker: We've just, like, kiki'd and had a good time.
Speaker: But, yeah, always fun hanging out with you, you know.
Speaker: And yeah, I look forward to continuing this journey with you, J.K.
Speaker: Yeah, and it will be a journey from me knowing nothing about football to maybe learning something.
Speaker: Who knows?
Speaker: Maybe one day I'll be able to explain the offside rule.
Speaker: But now I'm in the dark.
Speaker: But yeah.
Speaker: I feel like by the end of the World Cup might be a challenge, but it's a challenge I'm going to accept.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm not pushing myself.
Speaker: Amazing.
Speaker: Well, thank you again for tuning in.
Speaker: And yeah, keep your eyes and ears peeled for what match we'll be tackling next.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Bye, guys.
Speaker: Bye.
