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Book Week Series: The Art of Literature and Illustrations ft. Laura Jackson | Ep. 10
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Welcome to our tenth podcast episode, where we have the privilege of diving into the world of literature and illustrations with Laura Jackson. This special episode is a part of the Book Week Series.
Join us as we embark on Laura Jackson's journey, from her early days as a budding writer in Australia to her influential role as a celebrated playwright, children's book author, and novelist. In this episode, we'll uncover Laura's passion for crafting compelling narratives, particularly those that amplify the voices of strong women. From her education at NIDA and the University of Wollongong to her collaborations with illustrator Brandon Wong on children's books, Laura has demonstrated a dedication to storytelling across various mediums. Her debut novel, "Keeping Score," promises to be a captivating exploration of complex themes.
Whether you're a theater enthusiast, a literary aficionado, or simply intrigued by the power of storytelling, this episode promises to provide valuable insights and inspiration from Laura Jackson's remarkable career. Join us as we delve into the imaginative world of Laura's narratives, where every word resonates with depth and authenticity.
About Laura Jackson:
Laura is a versatile performer, writer, and producer passionate about crafting compelling narratives, especially those highlighting the experiences of strong women. With degrees from NIDA and the University of Wollongong, she's written plays, children's books with illustrator Brandon Wong, and is polishing her first novel, "Keeping Score." Laura's work delves into themes like street harassment and domestic violence, earning recognition such as the Ian Potter Cultural Trust grant and international play readings. Represented by BMEG, she continues to develop new plays while drawing on her diverse training in writing, accents, and screen acting.
Laura's website: https://www.lblibrary.com/
About Book Week Series:
Book Week Series is a celebration of authors and illustrators from around the world. For the past two years, this series has been a favorite on Studimation, where we've explored the art of storytelling through insightful interviews. This year, we're excited to move the series to The Zainab Khan Podcast, now available on Spotify, Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, iHeart Radio, and more. Join us as we highlight diverse voices in literature, sharing their journeys, inspirations, and advice. Whether you're a literature enthusiast or an aspiring writer, our Book Week Series offers enriching and inspiring conversations. Tune in to The Zainab Khan Podcast and celebrate storytelling with us!
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Introduction to Laura as a Creative Force
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Laura is a versatile performer, writer, and producer passionate about crafting compelling narratives, especially those highlighting the experiences of strong women.
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With degrees from NIDA and the University of Wollongong, she's written plays, children's books with illustrator Brandon Wong,
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and is publishing her first novel, Keeping Score.
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Laura's work delves into themes like street harassment and domestic violence, earning recognition such as the Ian Porter Culture Trust Grant and international play readings.
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Represented by BMEG, she continues to develop new plays while drawing on her diverse training in writing, accents, and screen acting.
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Hi!
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Hi, thanks for having me.
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Thank you so much for joining in today.
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Are you excited for the interview?
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Absolutely, I'm very excited.
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Had a look at the YouTube channel and it looks like it's an amazing resource.
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So thanks for having me on.
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Thank you, thank
Journey from NIDA to Playwriting
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you.
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Can you tell us about your journey from studying acting at NIDA to becoming a prolific writer and producer?
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Yeah, of course.
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I mean, it's a bit of a long journey, I guess.
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When I was a kid, I really liked...
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all things creative.
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So I was, you know, into writing and I was in choirs and playing musical instruments and that sort of thing.
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And so then when I graduated school, I was trying to work out what do I do?
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You know, how do I use these, these interests?
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And so I initially went to the University of Wollongong and I studied there
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three-year acting training there and yeah, kind of found my voice as a creative and did a lot of, it was an acting course, but I did a lot of writing electives and kind of found this real passion for writing there too.
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And so then when I graduated there, I ended up doing a master's of creative writing and wrote my first play.
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And I met a couple of really impactful female mentors through my studies who then ended up being my master's mentors and have had a really fruitful relationship with them since, you know, graduating and the years in between.
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So and then that play that I wrote as part of the masters, I toured around and yeah, I did sort of a bunch of different cities with that one.
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And all the while I had my sights on NIDA, which is, you know, one of the big acting schools in Australia.
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So there's kind of this, yeah, there's three sort of big ones.
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And then there's a lot of other amazing schools as well.
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But I had my eye on trying to get in there.
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And so it took me four years to get in.
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I had to audition four years in a row.
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And then the final year I was...
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kind of making strides with my plays and I created a theater company, a music theater company, and I was working with those people.
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And I, at that point, when the fourth year came around, each year I get all the way to the end, but not quite in.
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And the fourth year came around, I sort of thought, oh, do I even need to go?
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Do I even need to audition?
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And anyway, I think because I had that mindset and I wasn't too
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desperate to get in.
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I just kind of had a whole life outside.
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That of course was the year that it did happen.
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And I did get in, did another three years of study, another three years of acting training.
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And then yeah, I've written a few other plays in that time and I've kind of gone on to, yeah, as you said, write and produce.
Inspiration from Female Narratives
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And so I've, yeah, taken those, those plays onto tours and continue to write in various genres and,
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really enjoyed that side of my creative life and continued to audition and tried to build my world as an actor too.
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So it's kind of been a combination.
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Can you name some authors or books that pretty clearly inspired you?
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Oh, that's a good question.
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I think I loved reading books.
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novels, novels kind of, even as a teenager and all the way through.
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I mean, I love Harry Potter.
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I love, there's a Jodie Pickle is a great writer here.
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Yeah.
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And then as far as kids books, I've got to got to explore kids books again because I have a little boy.
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He's now two.
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And so I've got to read all these great kids books that, you know, Mem Fox is a fantastic Australian writer and I've just enjoyed re-experiencing children's books through his eyes.
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That's wonderful.
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What inspired you to focus on creating strong female narratives in your work?
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Yeah, I think I have a real interest in female experiences, of course, because I am a woman, but that really kind of germinated when I was at Wollongong Uni and I met some really powerful and amazing female friends and they helped me to
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find and then craft my feminist voice.
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And then because of that, those interests just naturally then found their way into my writing.
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Also because I'm an actor and I was looking to create a role and roles for myself, I ended up writing stories about women of a similar age to me with, you know, similar interests and that meant that I could play those roles.
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So I think that's how that formed.
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And that's really fascinating
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specifically for my plays.
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Some of the other writing isn't quite so focused that way, but it's really, I think, because it's the combination of the acting and the writing, and that comes together to tell female stories.
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Do you think there are enough books that cover strong female narratives?
Balancing Genres and Overcoming Writer's Block
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oh, I think there could always be more.
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I think there's more emerging, which is great, that shift to there's a hunger for some more diverse stories.
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We want to see stories of people who we can relate to.
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And I think that there has been a shift to include more stories of different races and different sexual identities and different gender identities.
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And to let everyone see themselves represented, I think is a really beautiful journey we're on.
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Absolutely.
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How do you balance your various creative pursuits from writing plays to self-publishing children's books?
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Yeah, I mean, balance is a big one, especially now being a mother, trying to fit it all in.
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But I really enjoy doing writing in different genres.
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I know I have some writer friends who don't like that, who really like to focus on I'm a playwright or I'm a children's book author or I'm a novelist.
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But I actually really enjoy that kind of
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ability to shift between genres because it helps me to get through writer's block.
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If I'm writing something, I'm working on a play and I can't really get something, then I just can put it to the side and have a look at a children's book or have a look at the novel.
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And that project jumping allows me to stay productive.
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So that's how I balance it and enjoy it.
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What motivated you to collaborate with illustrator Brandon Wong on the LB Library children's books?
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Oh, well, Brandon and I have been friends for a very long time.
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He initially went to school with my brother.
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So that's how we met.
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And then he reached out to me.
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I think it would have been 10 years ago now, or maybe longer.
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And he had he had an idea for a children's book.
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And he is a really talented graphic designer and illustrator.
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And so he had these beautiful images of a polar bear.
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experiencing the world for the first time and trying to kind of go on a journey of discovery, but he wasn't sure how to get the words together the way he wanted them.
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So he said to me, look, I have these images.
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Would you write the words or would you take what I've done and rewrite the words for me?
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And, yeah, that was a really exciting kind of first foray into children's books.
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And from there, we've just kind of kept it as an ongoing collaboration.
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We've got two already.
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We've self-published them.
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They've been a real passion project.
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So we've just kind of enjoyed, yeah, just creating them ourselves and putting them out there ourselves.
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But we've got a couple more in the works.
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So we'll see what we do with those, whether we kind of, yeah, try to approach a publisher or just enjoy the
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self-publishing route and keep building our library.
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That's why we called it LB Library, Laura Brandon's library.
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We just wanted a bookshelf full of books that we had created.
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What impact do you hope this project has?
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My goal for the kids' books, I think is, yeah, you know, I started writing before I had my son, but now that I have him, it feels like it has a different purpose for me.
Venturing into Children's Literature
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It's
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It's such a beautiful time at the end of the end of my day every day to sit and read a book to my son as he goes to bed.
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And it's created a real love of reading for him and a beautiful connection point for me.
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And so I think that's why now I write the kids books is because I want to give other parents that beautiful moment of joy with their child, you know, and contribute to that.
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that bedtime thing that happens in so many in every household that has a child usually.
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Yeah, what a privilege to think that my book was one that that family enjoyed in that moment.
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I think that's what inspires me.
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Can you share a memorable moment from like the children?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So, well, the last little bit, so my son's now two and a bit.
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He's got really, really
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vocal, he started talking more and more.
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And there's a book that he really likes called Where is the Green Sheep, which is one by Mem Fox.
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And yeah, and I think I have it somewhere around here.
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But he has, even though he can't read yet, because it's so simple and beautifully written,
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as I turn the page, he knows what the next line is.
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So he'll start like memorizing it and reading it out.
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And it's almost like he's reading back to me.
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So that's really special.
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And I'm sure when he can actually read back to me, I'll really enjoy that.
Exploring Themes in 'Keeping Score'
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Could you share some insights into your novel, Keeping Score and its themes?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So Keeping Score is a different genre and audience altogether.
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Obviously, the children's books are, you know,
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for children and for adults who like picture books.
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But Keeping Score is a book for adults.
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It's based in Sydney.
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It's about the world of Sydney tennis.
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There's a bit of drama, a bit of scandal.
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So it's really quite different thematically.
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And that's also, as I said before, I enjoy that genre jumping because it allows me to kind of, yeah, by writing for different audiences, I get in a really different mindset and I enjoy that.
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What's the best genre for you?
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I think the best genre for me is plays.
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Even though I really love the novel and the kids' books, I think I really enjoy dialogue because I'm an actor and so that kind of sharp back and forth dialogue is the best for me, I think.
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Even though it helps me write dialogues for the novel and the kids' books I enjoy, but you've got to be so economical with words because you have so few.
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Whereas plays I get to elaborate and be a bit cheekier, a bit funnier and I enjoy that.
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How do you approach addressing sensitive topics like street harassment and domestic violence in your place?
Addressing Social Issues Through Characters
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Yeah, it's a good question because they are sensitive and everyone has had a some kind of experience of unfortunately in our world, some kind of experience of sorts of topics, whether it be themselves or through friends or people they know, or even just absorbing the news.
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And so,
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I know that telling those stories can be challenging and triggering for people to watch.
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So because of that, I address those topics with what I call a light touch.
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So the topics are very much rooted in the story, and this is particularly for the players, but the realisation of the story is very much through character, conversation, natural back and forth, friendship,
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jokes, warmth.
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Obviously we're not joking about the topics.
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It's the jokes and the banter between the two friends that creates a sense of safety to allow them to talk and share their experiences with each other.
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So I guess that's how I approach them sensitively and also just through research and speaking to people and trying to make sure that I've done kind of due diligence and that I'm being thoughtful about my realizations of those topics.
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Those are some great techniques.
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Can you share your experience of receiving the Ian Potter Cultural Trust Grant and how it impacted your career?
Impact of Ian Potter Cultural Trust Grant
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So, yeah, I was the very lucky recipient of the Ian Potter Cultural Trust Grant.
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I received, I applied, I was at that time, I was working on a development of my play The Culture.
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And I was looking for, yeah, some support to develop myself as an artist to get myself, yeah, able to rise to the standard that I wanted.
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And so I connected up with a director who is based in New York and she had toured us at NIDA for just a short time, I think two weeks, but I really, she was a guest director and she came in and worked with my year, but I just really loved her approach and,
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She, I mentioned a couple of mentors earlier, she has been another really important mentor to me.
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And then I saw the Ian Potter Cultural Grant, which was looking for artists with a goal to study internationally.
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So I applied to work with that director, Bethany Caputo.
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I applied to study under her, to work with her, to create a development of that piece so that it could then go on to a bigger kind of career and trajectory on its own, the play afterwards.
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And so, yeah, they awarded me $5,000 Australian dollars.
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I was able to travel to New York, work with Bethany and, you know,
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build this piece into something and come back.
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And then it went on to a, to a international tour after that.
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So I was very, very lucky.
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Has this allowed you to reach a wider audience?
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I think so.
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It, it gave me a framework to then build a team.
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I met a really wonderful creative colleague who produced my tour for me and her
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Her name's Carly Fisher.
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Her drive is really, really enviable.
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And I think with her help, we took
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my play to six cities.
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And then so we reached audiences in a lot of different places.
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And, you know, we did 63 shows.
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And so I'm really grateful for the whole team that came on board for that project.
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I had some really wonderful, thoughtful, generous people who gave their time and their talent and allowed me to build it and create something really special.
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So I'm really proud of that.
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Is there any feedback from the readers that stand out to you?
Audience Feedback and Personal Connections
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Oh, absolutely.
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I mean, one of the most powerful things with the tour that I experienced, because as I mentioned, it does address sensitive topics like domestic violence, and they can be really personal for some people.
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I quite regularly had people approach me at the end of the show in the foyer and say to me, oh, you told my story or thank you for sharing that.
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That really meant something to me personally.
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This was my mum's story or, you know, they had a really kind of personal and close attachment to the character and they wanted to tell me thank you.
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And I was just so touched by that and so...
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blown away at people being, yeah, sort of compelled to disclose their experiences to me based on the play and watching it and wanting to connect with me more closely.
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That's beautiful.
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What was the process like for having your play The Culture chosen for rehearsed reading in London's Arcola Theatre?
International Exposure and Challenges
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Yeah, that was really a surprise, a really lovely surprise.
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My agent submitted and I then received, you know, the email from them that they'd like to include my play.
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It was one of 10 outstanding plays from around the world and they did a rehearsed reading.
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And the timing was quite funny because the night of the reading,
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was the same day in Australia when we were bumping in to do the show in Sydney.
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So we had already done, I think that was our fifth city by then.
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We'd already done quite a few cities, but Sydney is where I'm from.
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Sydney is the home of a lot of the team.
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And so we were just getting ready to show our work to our friends and family and then the wider Sydney audience.
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And on that same day, they were doing the reading in London.
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So I was able to zoom in for a minute and, um,
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you know, just kind of have a talk to the beautiful director and actors who took the piece and, you know, did the reading at a very, very busy time for me.
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And they were enjoying because I could talk really quite in detail about my experience of the character because I was right in the middle of playing her as well.
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So, yeah, that was pretty special.
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Could you tell us more about your international tour with the culture and the challenges and highlights you experienced?
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Yeah, so, well, we went to, we started in New York, which is, you know, a funny way to go because we're Australian and that's, you know, normally you would test it out at home and then take it internationally, but that's not what we did.
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We started in New York, then we went to New Zealand and then we did a number of cities around Australia.
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So we did Hobart, Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide.
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And so with each city, I think we,
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explored more deeply what we were trying to say and the characters grew and the storytelling grew and the whole show is just me and one other actor on stage.
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So the two of us, as we moved through each city became more and more, yeah, just more and more playful with the text because we were really, really familiar with it.
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And, yeah, so there were a lot of highlights.
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I think the...
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Probably bringing it home to Sydney was a big highlight.
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Each closing night when we kind of went, oh, look, we did another one.
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The closing night in Melbourne, that was a very, very last city, was a very emotional and wonderful experience.
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That producer who I mentioned, Carly, she created a little video where she got everyone who had been involved all the way along to say a few words on a video.
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And I watched that in the theater and felt very touched and proud of what we've created.
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And we did have challenges, you know, we had,
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moments where we would disagree as a team, where we had to find our ways through, you know, we would have just logistical problems because we were traveling everywhere.
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I was traveling around with my baby then, you know, he's a bit older now, but, you know, the team was wonderful in supporting me as a mother and trying to balance it all and juggle it all, but wouldn't have changed it for the world.
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It was wonderful.
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Did you learn anything from the experience?
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Oh, so much, so much.
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I think I had multiple roles to play because I was the writer, the actor, and then I was the producer with, yeah, I was the executive producer and I know I had Carly as a creative producer.
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And so I had to learn
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how to take one hat off and put the other one on when it was time to rewrite or when it was time to focus on the acting, you know, and when it was time to produce, but when it was time to relinquish that responsibility to someone else so that I could focus creatively.
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I think it helped me grow as a woman and grow as a writer and an actor.
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Certainly just the experience of doing it over and over again gave me a real kind of confidence.
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So, yeah.
Mentorship and Persistence in the Arts
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What inspired your one woman play Handle It and how did it evolve over its seven season run?
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Yeah, so Handle It was the play that I wrote as part of my masters.
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That was my first play and my first foray into writing.
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I'd kind of done little bits and pieces, but a first full piece where I wrote the role for myself.
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And that one was a one woman play.
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I had six different characters that I played in.
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And so I would kind of go off quick costume change and come on as the next one in six different monologues.
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And yeah, I guess the inspiration for it was just around that time, as I mentioned, when I was trying to find my feminist voice and I had all this passion and a little bit of anger and a frustration about some of the things that women experienced.
00:21:26
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And I just wanted an outlet.
00:21:27
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And so I put it into this work and
00:21:30
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And then it kind of went on a tour and I took it around to, I was based in Wollongong at that time, which is a town, you know, a little bit south of Sydney.
00:21:38
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And so I did it there and then did it in Sydney.
00:21:41
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And then I did the fringe circuit, some of those fringe festivals.
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And then that kind of led me on to writing more things.
00:21:48
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So it was quite formative.
00:21:50
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Lastly, what advice would you give to aspiring actors, writers and producers who are looking to break into the industry and create meaningful work?
00:21:59
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Oh, wow.
00:21:59
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That's a big question because I still think I'm finding my way in, you know, obviously I have, you know, the experience we've discussed, but there's still lots of things that I haven't yet done and lots of things to, to explore myself.
00:22:13
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But I think the biggest thing for me is the wonderful gift of mentors.
00:22:21
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I just, I've mentioned a couple and those, those I've had a number of women who have been
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a bit older than me, a bit more experienced, so generous with their time, so skilled in their own crafts and the gifts that they have given me with just helping me to find my way has been really, really, really wonderful.
00:22:43
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So I guess, you know, if you see someone who's a little bit more experienced than you and you admire them, you know, ask to work with them or ask them to, you know, give your time and just go follow them for a day if they'll let you.
00:22:55
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And then I guess,
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Following on from that, I've tried to pass on that gift of mentorship myself and have had some people who, you know, wanted to ask me questions and wanted to have that same relationship with me and I've tried to kind of pay it forward.
00:23:09
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Yeah, and I think just keep going because there's lots of rejection, lots and lots of rejection.
00:23:13
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And so, yeah, where you can fit it in around your other work and just keep on going because in time something will happen.
00:23:22
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That's a great piece of advice.
Availability of Laura's Works
00:23:24
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Before we end our conversation, where can the audience find your work?
00:23:28
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Yeah, so you can find the plays.
00:23:31
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Sorry, no, you can find the kids' books.
00:23:33
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I was thinking about two things at once.
00:23:34
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You can find the kids' books at lblibrary.com.
00:23:37
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And also we've got a little Instagram account, which is lb.library.
00:23:43
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But me generally, I am at different times I've got shows on different times I don't.
00:23:49
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So the best place to probably stay in touch with me is on my Instagram, which is at Laura Y Jackson.
00:23:55
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Yeah, you'll be able to kind of from there you can get to.
00:23:57
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my website and my production company.
00:23:59
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That's the sort of the place to start, I think.
00:24:02
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And yeah, then from there, they can also go on my website and reach out to me if they want to talk to me about anything further.
00:24:07
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Awesome.
00:24:08
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With this, we end our chat.
00:24:10
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Thank you so much for joining in.
00:24:12
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It was fun talking to you.
00:24:14
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So good to talk to you too.
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Bye.