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Organizing Play
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In the inaugurable episode of Rule of Six, june discusses local organized play with KingofBling, MammonDG, and JJ. In it they unravel the Mars Civil War event and talk about what the future of organized play might be. Thank you so much to everyone who gives this first episode a try! I hope you write in!
Spoiler for the Martian Civil War Event. Marked explicit for language.
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Transcript
Introduction to Rule of Six Podcast
00:00:01
Speaker
This is Rule of Six, the podcast about doing as much as you can in Keyforge. I'm your host, Jun, and this is the inaugural episode. You can inaugural this.
00:00:16
Speaker
um i I'm just really excited to be here. I never thought I could do all this alone. I really appreciate the support of Blake and Sydney getting me here. And um all the time I spent on help from future self was
Weekly Guest Interviews and Bold Statements
00:00:31
Speaker
amazing. And I'm so excited to um just interview guests every week and hear what like hear the full breadth of what they have to say and give them platforms and um make some hot takes.
Meet the Guests: King of Bling and JG
00:00:46
Speaker
ah Speaking of hot takes, I have three guests with me this week. King of Bling. Hey, what's going on? I have a new podcast. I don't know if you heard. I was told that I was the first to know. And if you lied to me, I'm going to be so hurt and offended.
00:01:04
Speaker
a stamp what's up no don't worry about i can give sal hey I was also told that I was the first to know. And if I find out that you lied to me, I will also be very offended. Who told you all this? The plot thickens. Who who said this? I think it was you. It's just my understanding. I'm going to ask our last guest, JG, did you tell them that they were the first to hear?
00:01:32
Speaker
I did tell them that they were the first to hear, but that was only because I was the last to hear. but um And if you're listening to this now, you probably knew before me. I'm sorry, the last, what? JJ still doesn't know. I think there's a Three Days Grace song that ah really epitomizes what I'm trying to say.
00:01:49
Speaker
Okay, I'm going to put that in the show
Local Organized Play and Martian Civil War Event
00:01:51
Speaker
notes. um ah But i this week I want to talk about, or I think all of us want to talk about ah local OP, right? Organized play, sorry. um Local organized play for Keyforge.
00:02:08
Speaker
And I guess just a reason to show up week to week or special offense and what it means both to play those and what you get out of them, right?
00:02:21
Speaker
ah And the most recent thing is Martian Civil War, right? So recent.
00:02:29
Speaker
I kind of just got home from that. Really unbelievably recent. Wait, it was today? It was today. It was today for us. oh Mine was yesterday. Gameskeep in Westchester, Pennsylvania. I'm so excited to talk about the different experiences that we all had. Yeah, I had ah experiences for sure. um Sure sounds like you had some experiences, positive or negative, we'll never know.
00:02:53
Speaker
Yeah, I'm actually not talking about them. Yeah, Martian Civil War. um So this is an event current occurring all of August. um Basically, um the house Mars is going to be is divided now. And one of the sides is going to win over the course of this event and be the like future design space of the house Mars. um And basically,
00:03:24
Speaker
throughout the events occurring all over stores. um ah Elders and rebels will fight and whichever side gets the most wins, I guess, like cumulatively everywhere. I don't think we know. I believe it's cumulatively everywhere. ah we It could be like ah the number of events. Who knows? It's GG. They keep a lot of surprises in their pocket. Hopefully they keep into a keep into account participants.
00:03:52
Speaker
Because I do think that it's important to just have player counts. Yeah, that's ideally. Yeah. No, like no electoral college in Key Forge, please.
00:04:02
Speaker
Not yet. We wait for this story in Civil War. Yeah, exactly. um It's just civil wars all the way down. Is that the prediction? Every event, every week you have a civil war. kind of Lord.
00:04:17
Speaker
and And the designs of Keyforge keep getting splintered like that until there's ah there's a house that's just vanilla creatures. House Keyforge. Normal type Keyforge. House Keyforge, where it all started. um but yeah ah So I guess you have the most recent experience. so well I guess we heard about the event, right? We knew there was a special summer narrative event, right? I guess we heard about this at, was a key for celebration that's scared i do so yeah so oh yeah i think it
00:04:56
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And that was really exciting to me. Right. um They sure let it sit. Yeah. I think we were supposed to hear about it in June um at the latest and we didn't. But, you know, we did hear about it. We heard it was discussed. It was discussed. I was told directly at two different CTP dinners that it existed and it was going to happen eventually.
00:05:23
Speaker
Yeah. I'm surprised you remember anything from them because I've heard zero through things come out from those events. Everyone was too focused on getting blackout drunk on GG's time. Yeah, that's a that's fair. There is an Archons Corner episode about one of them with myself and one of our other locals. And then the other one, I took a mental day off and just enjoyed my dinner and hanging out.
00:05:48
Speaker
That's so real. That's fair. um Well, so March and Civil War we heard about, and um I mean, what do you all think about the concept?
Community Influence on Game Design
00:05:59
Speaker
I think it's an interesting concept to allow for the design space of a house to change, yeah but also to let the community influence it. Yes, that part is very cool. Having having community decisions to influence game design is always sick.
00:06:15
Speaker
And then when it comes down to it, house design spaces are always changing, like every set. So really, it's it's just about the community having some part in which direction it goes, which is, yeah, super cool. I think that Mars was an interesting house to do it in as well, because it had so much flack in its beginning, right? Because like Mars was cool. It seems like it was going to do a lot of Mars things. but Yeah, um, uh, you know, key abduction and that was kind of your Janka combos. And that was really the only viable Mars for a long, long time. Battle fleet Mars has always been very battle fleet, uh, isolationist. They want to deal with their own stuff. Right. And so it didn't matter what your other two houses were for the most time, unless it was like Mars and or logos and shadows.
00:07:04
Speaker
Well, ah that ah not only that, like in CODA, they did so many different things bad, right? I feel like paring down is exactly what they need to like have a better perception. Yeah, they needed more focus. But but they came back in.
00:07:21
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Whoa, yeah with such such a vengeance, right? They wanted tokens the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. And it makes sense for the cloning house to have 100%. Yeah. Mark degenerate in the Martian Civil War kits. We don't know of another token set with Mars coming in it. So Yeah, sure if that's a ah hint of things to come as well. Right. There were. Well, it could be that maybe Mars is the only house in a set to make mart it to make tokens. That would be very. interesting Whoa. That's that's actually kind of what this event was. because of Yeah, you wouldn't. If you win grim reminders, yeah you got Mars with tokens. You mean if you were a coward?
00:08:14
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but We had a few people, right? A lot of what yeah you were going to go grim reminders until you saw me buy. I let you talk me into it. I do think it is an interesting way of playing. And a lot of people are experiencing grim reminders fatigue, I guess you might call it. um And it was honestly really refreshing to play an event without grim reminders. Oh, you guys you guys didn't play GR?
00:08:41
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Yeah, we played Winds of Exchange only. Oh, very cool. Our store happened to be low on decks, so we had a few GR decks, but exactly six Winds of Exchange decks, which was great. Wow. See how Jun plays Winds of Exchange for her Mars, the Civil War event? Very demure, very modest, very cutesy. I was not able to make our vocal event today, unfortunately. So I have a question for you guys. Did anybody pick a set older than low? You are not allowed.
00:09:09
Speaker
You are a lot. You, I mean, it is a Gigi sanctioned event. You, the last two sets are what are legal. Yeah. Anything else is not technically legal. I don't believe that Nick would have enforced it nominally. Yes. It's true. I think so. You are not allowed. Yeah. Quote unquote. Last two sets are legal. Sometimes you trip. You still all the AOA decks. Nick did verbally say that I couldn't buy an AOA decks. You're not allowed to buy them?
00:09:37
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Well, sorry, I guess I was allowed to buy it. I think he meant you shouldn't. Yeah, he was just trying to help you out, man. um ah It's really interesting that it was Winds of Exchange. um Some of my favorite Elder cards, or my favorite Elder card, is one that, like, it's like a brain dart. It captures an enemy creature, captures from its own side. The one that JJ played against me a bunch. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you make a bunch of token creatures for all that you do. Yeah, so if you do it to like a trawler, you're just fucking set. You're set for life. Pretty bonkers. Did you play Elders, Jun?
00:10:15
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I played elders. on I was also team elders. It's just more fun. Also, it's still June villain arc so I had to play elders there are the elders the villains in this ah scenario, they enslaved the yeah Yeah, I think that that's kind of their whole deal is that they're like hypnotic. It's like they're just using your brainwashing. And so they kind of got they're bigger and they have some like psychic powers or something. So they kind of enslaved the ah workers as somebody who's bigger and has psychic powers and is evil. I just had to go elders. That does kind of fit your aesthetic. There's an action called compliance and the art is a very tall slender alien pointing at
00:10:59
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two smaller ones. And it looks like he's just incinerated a third. Yeah, that's that's the card. That's me. Oh, yeah, I guess that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, a creature, kept a creature captured from its own side. And then you make it. in there Yep. Very frustrating. Yeah, it's OK. The reason why it's especially frustrating is the tokens in the in the event.
00:11:22
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Yes, so I would love to talk about that. So June and JJ, you were both elders. I was rebel and June, i don't I'm so curious to know if your event also showed this, but it appeared ah on on first blush. We had 12 players of the six rebel players. Five of them all had rebel as their token.
Minute Martian and Amber Munch Tokens
00:11:44
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And one of them had a new token that has never been seen before. This is a token that is clearly made for the event, and that was the Minute Martian. um So spoilers to anyone who hasn't played the event already. Minute Martian is a two power token with two armor. Its effect is after fight, make a token creature. as so It replicates itself.
00:12:06
Speaker
so of the six players only one person didn't get the base rebel token and this person got a rare token and the inverse happened for the elders where all of the elder players yes got the ah amber munch a three power creature with one armor with the ah after fight effect your opponent loses one amber um And JJ, I think you disagree with me, but my, uh, impression was, is that the Amber Munch hard counters rebel like nobody's business. well the minute men like Can't even fight them, right? hu Yeah.
00:12:46
Speaker
So the Minuteman can because they have to armor to armor. Okay, but it's like not good, right? It's not good I like legionary trainer my first round i got knocked out by the Minuteman He he had double Legionary trainer what the hell and rules and two of the ah the guys that give all Martians to splash and So he just ran across my board, making a new Minuteman for each one yeah that was ready and just rule of six thumbnails. Speaking of the podcast. He's true. Oh, my God. Is that what the podcast is named after? ah Seems like it.
00:13:26
Speaker
Yeah, okay, that that is maybe one of my biggest completes about the event is that um these tokens, new tokens, the mint man and the the munchy guy are so far and above most tokens we've ever seen, yeah right? They're up there with prospector and berserker, maybe scholar. Minute Martian we're seeing is up with prospector and berserker.
00:13:51
Speaker
Now, admittedly for the event, it's not because it's harder to plan for it, but if you were given the time to choose an appropriate pod to match with it, the double Legionary Trainer was ridiculous. The amount of yeah of speed that you have with it, just self-replicating and coming in ready and then continuing to fight. yeah is it What's the card that makes them come in ready? Legionary Trainer. trainer oh Oh, well that's just... you guys fought for not killing your opponents Legionary trainers. That's... come on, guys. That's true. That's fair. What was a year ago?
00:14:24
Speaker
I suppose let lose that's how the that's how the game works. That's the point. The point stands that if you are giving the majority of players of the event an old token that is poorly matched against what the majority of players for the other team are getting, that feels like a pretty obvious whoopsie that was frustrating. Not game ending. You know, it didn't ruin the event, but it felt like at least make the majority of players get the new token because the one player out in the elder side got researcher.
00:14:51
Speaker
Yeah, I should say flat out. They should not have reprinted the old tokens if the new ones are going to be this insane. Just give everyone the new ones. like what what What are you doing, guys? like Come on. that That was an obvious miss. You're doing new stuff. Giving everyone on one team the same token is fine, but make it the cool, shiny stuff. Give me the new stuff. Yeah.
00:15:14
Speaker
um as It's weird. i mean there were a lot There were a fair number of reprints. I think I only had like three or four new cards in my Elder Pod. That said, my Elder Pod was an insane because my token is Amber Munch, which is great. Fantastic. It's Grunt plus an armor, plus ah it makes your opponent lose an Amber.
00:15:37
Speaker
And I had three clone homes. Nice. And a mark two generator. Oh, spicy. I spent a lot of time a lot of turns like reaping for three or fighting three times and making four tokens. Yeah. Sounds good. Sounds like a pretty sweet play. If I can present a slight counter argument to the give everybody new cool tokens.
00:16:00
Speaker
Part of this whole event is that you got two sides and we're seeing a lot of reprints, but we're seeing reprints on one side or the other. um I think if tokens are going to be a Mars mechanic going forward, showing what tokens are coming in, what token reprints are coming from either side is just as important as showing off the new token. Totally agree. Make it the minority. Remember that you also We're pulling
Uneven Distribution Concerns of New Tokens
00:16:29
Speaker
pods that are three and three, and if there's two tokens for each house, you got a 50-50 shot three times of getting a token. You're going to end up with a bunch of ah boxes that have the same three tokens in it. It's just going to happen. You guys pulled two different event kits. One of those clearly had the same three tokens probably on one and the other. And it could have just been the ones on top. Yeah, that's true. I don't think that ah Nick nixed them up necessarily.
00:16:58
Speaker
That's fair. All I'm saying is is that if you're going to have a clear mind minority and majority, it felt bad to have the rebels be. on what felt like the losing side of that. It felt like an unnecessary bias where you can still show off that rebels coming back and have it be the one odd man out in the group. But giving the one guy who kept sitting next to me the cool token while I'm playing with rebels and getting stanked, it feels like a bummer. I felt like my deck would have played better with a different token and it just, it was a bummer. It just didn't feel good to the spread. I'll say again, that's just woe in a nutshell.
00:17:36
Speaker
That's fair. Were there definitely only two tokens yeah for each side? Yes. Okay. One researcher and one. Enough have been scanned at this point that if there were other tokens, unless they're incredibly rare. I can scan that pod. Yeah, you can. I just shared mine and I don't know if I can get it scored. You can scan it and you can go post it in our team discord.
00:17:54
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Sure. Yeah, I just did. Actually, should we go down? Mine was pretty medium, I would say. I had the Rebels, two clone homes, a big magnet, which is the upgrade one for anyone who doesn't know big magnet. It's a dumb rare. Yeah, big magnet. Okay, one point in big magnet's favor. A red planet ray gun is in this. I had a red planet ray gun in this pod, too. So you have the red planet ray gun to go with the big magnet. I also had our evolution.
00:18:22
Speaker
So that also pretty good. I had a new card, a new rebel card. It was Agent Tangoo. T-A-E-N-G-O-O. Did you see that card, June? This may be my biggest problem with this event. The card that will definitely be around before any of these events. I love this card so, so, so much. It is so much fun. You can't have a card that just guarantees rule of six. Here's the thing. That's the name of the podcast. We absolutely can do that.
00:18:52
Speaker
ah No. it's So the for anyone listening, spoiler alert, Agent Tangoo, it's play. Choose a house, return each creature of that house to its owner's hand. Now, when you're making tokens, and I'm making tokens, you put a whole bunch of Mars creatures back in your hand. And of course, because it's a play effect, Agent Tangoo is already in play. It comes back to, and you can do it again, to a different house.
00:19:17
Speaker
It's so cool. If you have your vat minders, rebels, it's just is it's just so dumb. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I do have a vat minder. I didn't say that. It's very cool. Very cool, very dumb. It needs to say each like like um other creature. sure yeah Right. The fact that it returns itself is crazy. If you get one with pips on it, hell yeah, brother.
00:19:45
Speaker
we're off to the races. I think each other would be cool because you could get two because it's an uncommon and then that would be a pretty rare. I mean, you're only doing it three times a piece. Exactly. Right. as That's like ah as rare as a double near future lens type deal. Sure. It would be a cool chase combo. Right. Yeah.
00:20:03
Speaker
It's unlikely to have like the big mix of like ironix rebels in that case If it's if it needs two copies and also you have to draw everything, right? Correct. You do have to draw everything. I will say it's a very cool card conceptually for If Mars is the only house making tokens really right to be able to put those tokens back in. yeah Total Recall was so sick. I and i think a lot of the a lot of decks in Woah suffered from heavy token generation being in the house of the token itself. yeah yeah So you can make a bunch of them, but then you have to wait to use them. And decks that are faster and doing it out of house are just doing a better job. And so that is a card that very much plays in-house with the tokens.
00:20:50
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Scholar spam is a good, ah similar concept. I did not open Researcher, but I was very happy to see Researcher. I think Researcher is such a solid token and a good deck. um John Jack, my name, Deck from Woe, has a... I think it's double it's Double Scholar Researcher, and there's just so many turns that I'm like playing using researchers, I'm saving all that Mars for a rainy day. And it also has total recall. It's such a good. Oh, you mean, um, Legionary trainer. two of those You said double scholar.
Impact of Legionary Trainer Card
00:21:25
Speaker
Oh, sorry. Two Legionary trainers. Yeah. So they come in ready. Yeah, it's great. You get to archive a fistful of Mars every turn. And then when you're ready to burst, you just slap 10 Mars cards on the table. Yeah. That's a fun deck to to watch that combo pop off on.
00:21:40
Speaker
I just I don't know. I really feel like it skews the event towards elders. I agree, which isn't a problem necessarily. but But okay. Well, the other thing is that when they talked about announced this event, they said, Oh, okay, well, we're gonna pit elders the old direction about like, you know,
00:22:01
Speaker
you know, playing around with card counts and capturing Amber versus the new rebels, which are going to be able to fight better than than anyone. And then they give them the really good fighting creature to the elders. Yeah. Yeah. why that That was the only point that I made. It seemed very strange to give them the Amber munch. I agree with that. I will say thematically, the rebellion is always fighting an uphill battle. That's true.
00:22:27
Speaker
um I do think it's interesting to have one side keep the old art and one side have new art. For the house icon. Right. um And even the card colors too. It would have been cool if both were slightly different. Yeah, I agree. because it i mean No, I think that the old guard keeps their thing. they There's the rebels and then there's, you know, the Empire. Mars has always had both, right? But if we're leaning into the elders, something's gonna change. Maybe they gotta double down and paint their faces purple. Give them a third eye. I was thinking, I was thinking a third eye too. This happens every couple of generations of clones.
00:23:07
Speaker
Oh, fair enough. That's that's also true. Yeah. probably well So I would say that the bias towards the elders was definitely a little frustrating. The token distribution was a little frustrating, but not to bag on it entirely. What I will say is is that it was very fun to have Alliance made not brain herdy. Think real hard. Half Alliance? Yeah, exactly. Like, because I don't have anything inherently against Alliance, but I play key forage to turn off my brain.
00:23:37
Speaker
and pick up a deck. And if I have to get the absolute crap kicked out of me with the deck because it's garbage, then so be it. that is That's what the gods of fate have decided for that day. But that also is what makes it so cool when you have a really awesome butt whipping deck that you pull yourself. you know And so thinking about how to make that butt whipping deck isn't exciting to me, but mixing up something sealed is cool. It was it was fun to just pop a pod into a sealed deck.
00:24:06
Speaker
yeah i think that I think that's a good idea. um And like having one pod to fit in. like If you did single deck with this, you have three pods and you choose which one of them goes out for a Mars pod. I don't think I've heard of anyone now that we've had just a couple events run. I don't think I've heard of anyone doing more than single deck.
00:24:26
Speaker
My issue with single deck is that the two most recent sets have Mars in them. So if you open Mars, you have zero options. Oh, hey, that's what's what I was going to bring up because like it now it made it so that sleeping time went by very quick. Like, oh, I know exactly what's happening. But um yeah it was just disappointing that I didn't even really look at the other pod. Right. Like I already know that I'm not playing it. So it's not worth like.
00:24:51
Speaker
evaluating this one so much. So for the next one, it should be a house that is not in the last set. Yes, at least the last set. Right. So that was another thing that ah our our player I drop lungs mentioned is that it should be sort of like a meanwhile event. Yeah, it would be cool to see what these other houses like what shadows of hey agree Mars is also in amber skies. So yeah whatever change this is, is not about to happen quickly. We're about to get a whole
00:25:22
Speaker
And then after that, it'll be... Yeah, we're not seeing any of these changes get implemented for at least one set. Yeah, that that feels really awkward. I mean, maybe they won't announce announced the results until the next set that Mars is in.
Future of the Mars House
00:25:40
Speaker
I thought you were just going to say, not announce the results at all. We just pretend that didn't happen. Oh my god. Sweet that another rock. Maybe. Based on our normal information distribution, it could be that long anyway. It's possible. But no, it was fun. And and I do think that the meanwhile idea is much better because i I pulled a Mars pod. And I think I mentioned before we started recording, it was so much better than the pod that I had to put in for the rebels.
00:26:05
Speaker
And like, I did it. I'm not going to complain. That was the the event that I signed up for. We were doing single deck sealed, but it did hurt but to then scan that and see the banger that that SAS thought that I had there is like, oh, man, that that was much cooler. Double rebel and psychic network. Like, wish wish I had that.
00:26:26
Speaker
I'm pretty sure the odds of having any specific house in a deck you open is something close to 50%, right? So like I wanted to suggest two decks sealed strictly from the point of view, like half the players aren't going to have options and that doesn't feel good. Yeah. However, like our store did, well, I agreed with the store and we're like,
00:26:51
Speaker
The event should be $5 plus however many decks you buy. That's what we did. Yeah, it seems fair. um They have to pay for the kits. Right. um Oh, another store point. My store ordered three kits and got five and was charged for them. So oh no. Yeah. And not only that, like our local scene is like between like is around six ish players. Right. So like what are we going to do with those? You can just buy one straight up from them and set it right to me.
00:27:21
Speaker
Yeah, Jacob's Jacob's a sick freak. He'll take that. OK, that is another thing about this product is that it's a it's a cool thing. It's only viable for Alliance. So why not? Why not make it legal?
00:27:33
Speaker
And KeyMander is KeyMander legal. Well, fair enough. It's KeyMander legal. That's the that's the most- We knew that the cool format was going to let that be legal, June. You didn't need to say that. We should automatically assume, of course, you can do whatever you want. You guys are awesome. We weren't worried about that. We're worried about the stick and the muds that were- Josh, we mean you if you're listening to this.
00:27:59
Speaker
ah I mean, Yeah, it's there's a lot of weird stuff, and I think it's the first time they've done this. yeah I feel like they're never going to revisit the concept, but if they were to, um there are a lot of lessons to learn, um especially if they listen to feedback. um I actually hope that they revisit this more. Oh, yeah.
Criticism of Ghost Galaxy's Event Management
00:28:23
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so My big problem with OP is is that right now it is just local scenes making it happen on their own with very minimal support we had the store champs which was awesome and then we had this which i think was executed a little bit sloppily i can't really talk because they're doing a lot of stuff right now so like fair enough but if it could be polished a little bit i think it would be so cool like just once a quarter you know what i mean like yeah
00:28:52
Speaker
I mean ah once a quarter I mean we've waited this year six months basically between events right that's insane um yeah meanwhile like I play some flesh and blood on the side and I can go to two events a week right um like they leave it to the store and I guess I just want like a good reason to show up other than like to see friends and play but I could see friends and play Online under FFG like it was pretty simple, right? They had some play mats There were a lot of the cardboard token amber stun. Yeah, whatever tokens um that box check Boxes maybe some maybe some sleeves. Do they have sleeves?
00:29:36
Speaker
it's not matter together the many-cars Look a car uses them. Yeah, I know i wasn't going to mention his name but We love him, but that's so weird
00:29:50
Speaker
That's a wild dog. If we had those OP kits. He really is tilting me by using the tiny cardboard tokens. That's so funny. they Honestly, they were pretty efficient because they they take up no space. They're easy to splay out. You can count them. I won't go off how much of a fan I was of them. I just didn't. I never had enough. and But you got to play with the little pieces, JJ. There's got to be little pieces to play with. You got to swallow them. Yeah, you got to eat them.
00:30:18
Speaker
We're going above the point of this conversation, but that is like, obviously the, one of the funnest things about keyboards is that people bling out their tokens, right? And do all that. Okay. I, so one thing about this event back to the Martian civil war before we close it out.
00:30:35
Speaker
There was no prize, right? Which is okay. And somebody asked me, like, oh, we don't, like, that's it. We don't do it. We don't get anything. I was like, um you can have all all of them. ah You can have my pod and Brandon's. ah You can have this garbage that I found. Well, they wanted to play with like other like kitchen table friends, which is pretty cool. I appreciate that. nice um But back in FFG days, ah they had two ah special prize, special OP packs that had keys in them. One of them had this ah like this themed keys that had the house icon and another had shadow keys that had the house icon and also like you ready to have your mind blown. There's a star line set too. I don't believe you. I have some.
00:31:28
Speaker
not They're around. Nine arms reach at this moment. I don't know if that kit was ever released. I found them in a bulk lot on eBay that could have been fished out of a dumpster. Mammon has every piece of Keyforge trash that you can possibly imagine. It's not true, but the ones I don't have are aggravatingly hard to find.
00:31:49
Speaker
So like mere mere months before I moved across the entire country, this man approached me with a box, a cardboard box. And in it, there was a whole bunch of decks and then two of them he went, hey, these are copies of the decks from the original starter kit if you want to have them. And I said, so you're giving me trash to throw out for you. These decks are worth nothing. And he went, I have six copies of each. I don't know what to do with them. I did. ah two years ago at PAX Unplugged to make what was it like 50 starter sets with all the tokens I had lying around nice and we handed out like bulk decks and starter kits to people this was we we weren't using the after the low game found back and we thought it was gonna come about six months earlier than it did and so it was it was the PAX before the Philly vault tour yeah yeah yeah I have a lot of crap laying around
00:32:48
Speaker
on it off on people But mammon could have more crap if they made ours keys for the event, right? yes some that agraphicalical Yeah, GG make more crap for my friend to to share We are still getting a bunch of hand-me-down crap, which I love I love the story and sweater card sleeves How many super keys do we think Jacob's gonna have by the end of 2025? I only need three Three super keys? Yeah, I plan on taking the discs out and replacing them. And I will use one as a single key color. Oh yeah, you should paint each one. Yeah. Exactly.
00:33:26
Speaker
Oh, okay. So, uh, old story. I, at Roseville, uh, showed up and I asked Marcus, can I use three red keys? What did he say about that? He said they need to be visually distinct from each other. I was like i have seen that in the whole book. Can I use nail polish to paint the little circles that are not red, the yellow little yellow circles of the appropriate colors?
00:33:54
Speaker
to that G said absolutely not so um I'm really sad because I a lot of people forever have been avoiding forging the red key because of red baron which is nonsense because you know it every time yeah exactly you you know if a deck has red baron first of all ah second just gains elusive like who cares yeah we actually play seal any deck i've ever played against red baron and i would have no
00:34:26
Speaker
Right. It's true. yeah We are sealed boys. And third, Amber Skies is now coming out and we care about key colors. And there's no specific, like there's no right answer for which key to forge. So everyone's just been making bad habits and it drives me nuts. I think that there's something to be said for making the habit. They're just going to have to change from, okay, not just the red key first to I have to know all these different cards.
00:34:53
Speaker
It's going to be real fun. Which keys are worse against my death? Here's the tip. just take Take it from me, kids. King of bling, we're here. Just force the red key first every time. makes It makes your and your life so much easier. I've got 12 red keyed. Wait, I don't know what's been.
00:35:10
Speaker
Actually, I can't, I won't say anything. I don't know what's been spoiled. I forget whose idea it was. It was either JJ's or Mammon's, but we were talking about a format of Keyforge where you have to forge your keys randomly out of a bag where you don't know what color you're forging. Oh, and if youre they're not but all three, you don't win. No, so you can win with all three, but... You can have three reds. That's fine. It's just that you don't have a choice what color you're forging as you're forging the keys. Only really important if Skyborn's around, and probably not most decks, but...
00:35:40
Speaker
Kind of funny. And if you would believe it, this conversation came up because we were talking about how many of those giant metal keys from the sort of champ kits we had left them for. Yeah, we got a lot. I think there's eight in my apartment. Yeah. Just loose, like just around. Oh, like literally on there's some on the floor. I don't even know what colors are in there. Eight sensory keys. Eight sets. OK. My keys would be really funny. My keys would be crazy. I bought a lot of decks on eBay, and it came with one yellow key.
00:36:11
Speaker
of the metal ones. And I don't have the heart to throw it away, but I don't know what I'm going to do with it. Dude, you could get yourself an oversized gumball somewhere. Probably wasn't going to put it off. Just start looking for one red key and one blue key. Give it to me and I'll drill a hole in it and I'll wear it on a necklace to the neck to worlds painted gold. Yeah. Yeah, I'll paint it gold. I'll really be true to my name. I've never I've never shown up with bling and everyone always asks me about it. That's you, sir. Have yourself a yellow key.
00:36:41
Speaker
I will. yeah we You got to paint a gold and bedazzled full like flavor, flavor style. Go hard. Yeah. I will do that. Um, for the key forage community. Okay.
00:36:55
Speaker
Oh, right keith i they could they could just make something like that. Like, where's the the pricing? Right. Yeah, it's on their website still that like they are coming out with pricing for locals. You know what? They don't even have to make something. You know what was the perfect prize was the store champs decks with the cool border. Do that. Give me a deck with a border that you're not going to make.
00:37:18
Speaker
more of give me a limited edition regular deck from the current set that we're in with a cool border treatment. I will be happier than a pig in mud like it was so neat and it was so simple. Okay, green lightning. Come on. It's perfect. Just mix it up. Do a couple different patterns. Be awesome. <unk>ll Give them ideas on how to use more mass mutation.
00:37:42
Speaker
okay I do think those decks are cool. However, I also recognize the Bind Ghost Galaxy kind of puts themselves in where any kind of pricing they make is like effectively costs a lot. Like a deck um is a fair amount. I guess other other events people pay and then get
Promo Cards Distribution and Alternatives
00:38:06
Speaker
random decks. But usually that goes like straight from store to person. Right. But there's promos on top.
00:38:11
Speaker
he and giving a deck away or having the store pay for the deck and, you know, they're bleeding out the nose for it doesn't feel great. Whereas other games print promo cards, right? They're cheap. I can count it and like, God, what was it? There's something like 16,000 cards. No, no, no. 8,000 cards printed per vault tour of um
00:38:43
Speaker
master Vaultmasters 24 given away, right? That's the pricing. um And, you know, that's good. Meanwhile, Legends Story Studios for Flash and Blood is printing like one card with gold foil that goes for $500 online.
00:39:05
Speaker
easy in all hundred that they're giving away on one sheet at one time right you that we were talking to June about just like having like a nice alt art or oil card to just swap in in a deck that you like like the deck the card is legal the deck is legal I've got the deck list like be so nice just to have that extra level of like okay now my cool thing is a little card but what card it doesn't matter what cards like You get a sandworm for a deck like you don't run any sandworm decks, but now you have a cool sandworm for when you do. You mean like a foil proxy. Yeah. Yeah. And like if you don't have sandworm decks, somebody does and they really like their sandworm. And it's like every thing about Keyforge, every deck has bad cards.
00:39:55
Speaker
What about enhancements though? What about enhancements? Give me a foil bad penny. I want it. That is the hard part. We've discussed this before amongst ourselves. That one is the difficult part. Another idea we were tossing around was with the idea of deck copies. We've seen Forgefire exist now. There is a print on demand product we can buy. At one point in the hopefully not too distant future, we'll be able to get prints of our decks.
00:40:21
Speaker
um It would be cool if you could, through OP, unlock icons and borders. And border copies of your decks that have, so let's say I've participated in Marching Civil War this year, well the Archon deck I'm running, I got a little Civil War badge. And you can throw that on there. And so when I go to Worlds, if I hit 12 foot, and I have my Archon deck,
00:40:44
Speaker
ah Then, you know, I can like slap that logo on it. And if we did run multiple events in the year, you know, store champs, story events, vault tours, scanning my Master Vault ID into those events with Omaka Badge and playing in these things. And I could just stack up my Archon card and be like, hey, I have like most of my boarder covered with these cool badges that I've earned throughout this year.
00:41:10
Speaker
Yeah. Well, the Vault Warrior prize for this year is like accolade decks, right? Like your deck printed with everything it's like achieved this year. So we know they can do things like... yeah Exactly. And those are cool awards for doing well. I'm saying give the rest of us a bunch of garbage badges that we can show up for doing poorly.
00:41:32
Speaker
I will say, like as much as it sounds like they have the ability to do this, I'm so sure that that ah Josh has somebody like but josh has ah the oh art designer will like slaving away over each one of these decks and like designing the whole thing and making sure it gets printed on them.
00:41:56
Speaker
but Potentially it could be a really good idea like so this it doesn't even really cost them anything to Send to the store a seasonal picket Which has a variety of these effects, right? Yeah, and it's just they could be achievement based Yeah they show specific event based right a stack of three times four a stack of 36 cards right and when you perfect key forge decks worth of cards exactly one deck for three months essentially and when you go to a weekly um you know the first place looks through the the 36 different and maybe not all different but like the various different seasonal ways you can modify your deck
00:42:47
Speaker
and picks one and it's just a QR code. They scan they scan in and it's like a voucher for Forge Fire. And then you pay to have your deck reprinted. And this is the part you g should listen to that can make you money. More people will buy deck copies if they want to get cool stuff printed on them that they've unlocked. Yeah. Boy, boy do I. Or i could I could sell my voucher, right? yeah Something of value. Not scanning in. God knows I'll need one of each. Yeah.
00:43:19
Speaker
ah Yeah, maybe there are some that are stackable like You ever seen those like old the like children's toys where it's like a rotating thing and there's like a head, a body and and legs? Yes. You just rotate them around and you have different combinations like that. Like there's three different things like your your title, your icon and your like your your kill tag or whatever. Like like where it's like you you have an icon, but then there's also like a background to your name and then you also have a title under your name. It's like, exactly.
00:43:55
Speaker
do that. Or just give like a little speech bubble to your, eye your Archon. But I mean, I say speech bubble, but ah honestly, like adding just all, like I get one little flare for my, uh, my Archon. Obviously it has to go through its uniqueness process, but like, it'd be cool. Like, right. He's giving me a thumbs up this time.
00:44:15
Speaker
I mean, and these are all cool, but like at the end of the day, you do want something that GG is providing, right? And I do think foil proxies would be cool. I agree. I think that that's nice. I think that that is very card game. You know what I mean? Like it's very, it's very much part of the ah the culture and you know, people are going to be more like June and less like us, I think, in that we really only play Keyforge. JJ plays magic lightly, but like June, you you say you're actively participating in flesh and blood and other card games. And altered. Yeah, so it's like you're going to be familiar with that system, that system of being like, oh, this is a shiny card. It's the same as the regular card, but it's pretty. And so that makes me better than you. And like people are going to respond to that. And it's cheap. you know Yeah, it's true. It's a status symbol. and like
00:45:01
Speaker
People love that and it is it is cheap and it feels bad to just walk away with nothing after paying your five bucks to play in an event. and like Do you think collectible promo cards would be cool? They could do bull art cards similar to for anyone who actually opened and looked through their collector's editions. In the very back there's some very cool bull art cards. They could even just do more of those.
00:45:26
Speaker
right if the If the issue with foil proxies and things like that is the uniqueness um or if they're worried in competitive events of having legal copies, you could slide into something. If they're worried about people just putting the wrong cards in and it not getting you know getting caught until deck check for a top eight.
00:45:47
Speaker
um You know, you could just make collector's items with the full art. There's tons of art in this game. I will say the Brio card in the collector's kit looks exceptionally awesome. That art looks great blown up. It's very colorful. Is the collector's kit that you're talking about, like the thing where they just have all the cards in the set? Yeah. that thing they The very last deck, I think, in that box, if you open that up, the back key cards. I think there's one full art card from each house. They don't have the text or anything like that on there. They're not playable. But it is a card with the art printed
00:46:19
Speaker
completely on the face card. Yeah, I still have my woe sitting in a drawer. I have not looked at a single thing inside of it. I think a lot of people don't know those are back there. I watched an opening video because I have not opened mine either. Okay. All right, man, I need to hear what you mean by saying like someone putting the wrong card in. um Like because like before deck check.
00:46:46
Speaker
We, I don't think, have a huge problem with this in our community. We're pretty tight-knit at the moment. I think a lot of people know each other. We're very friendly. But cheating happens in minicard games. If I swap out my Tudor Brinrillo with a foil sandworm, that drastically changes what's going on in my deck. And we don't do full deck checks until we hit top cut at major tournaments. So in theory,
00:47:12
Speaker
Because you're allowed to, yeah in this proxy system, take a card and replace it, someone could play through a tournament unnoticed ah with you know this extra card that they've replaced until they get the top cut at which point the deck check happens. Maybe they swap it back and just play top cut with the regular deck. I'm going to tell you right now, you could do the same thing today. Sure. Yeah. What's the difference? I don't know that that changes too much, especially when you're having to play sleeved, which most people are anyway.
00:47:42
Speaker
But I think that just speaks to, you need to be careful. I'll tell you what though, if I saw a foil sandworm, I sure as hell am going to look at their archive card to see if that sandworm's in there. So I think that that's- Sure. Maybe they put a second one in, right? Like there's ways that it could go under the radar. um And I think that would be the big concern for serious competitive OP with promos like this.
00:48:08
Speaker
But at the same time, there is plenty of OP, in fact, the majority of it, hopefully, if not today, one day, will be in stores, in which case those communities could police themselves, and you could make it kitchen table or store legal, but say that you can't do it in the vault store,
Foil Proxy Cards and Cheating Concerns
00:48:25
Speaker
right? Right. Well, even if you can, like, you're already going, you know, constructed, Archon or Alliance at this point. I think it's, you're not...
00:48:34
Speaker
I think it's fair to illegalize it for seals, right? It doesn't make sense, like, okay, I'm swapping this out. But like, if you're already coming in with your Archon cards, with the harder cards, yeah. I'm just trying to think of GG's perspective on this, and just trying to minimize as many weird things happening that are out of their control at large OP events. And I promise you that that would be a thought that went through their head that were to be a thing that was discussed. I appreciate you playing devil's advocate, but as a consumer, all of that's GG's problem, right? Yeah. I, as a consumer, I'm saying, like, hey, you have zero, you have no OP, essentially, no local OP, p essentially. You have two special events a year, and that's it. Yeah. i Like, other than that, apparently, we don't play Keyforge.
00:49:33
Speaker
And this is what I need, right? This is what I need that would cost you nothing. So if you have issues with it, this is what makes you money. So figure it out. Right. yeah You know, what is the biggest slap in the face for me? And I don't know whose fault it is or if it's being worked on or if it's being overlooked or what is where is the store locator? Where is the event located? Yeah, it's on playstyle.com.
00:50:02
Speaker
ah listen That's what we said before, that is where it will be and that was supposed to be available to stores at store champ time. There was a way that we found out store tramp locations. that is a yeah That was on key forging. It's the same way I believe that the March on Civil War events are being located where GG is personally going in and adding in for every store that does so that just goes back to June's point that like we don't play key forge outside. of Right. or Yeah, I'm saying that I'm answering England's question in that it is part of something that is not really that's they've said it's in there. We were supposed to have this months ago that it's their fault but like that's where it is.
00:50:45
Speaker
Here's the thing, they should have had that ready to go when Woe dropped because yeah the biggest thing about Keyforge is the fact that you can buy a deck and you can just play. Most people who attend a regular local are going to have enough tokens for two. If I'm in in a different town, if I'm somewhere for work or if I'm just traveling, I should be able to open up the Keyforge website, GG's page.
00:51:10
Speaker
Punch in my my zip code or my current location and find out if there's an event happening that weekend within the next, you know, within 10, 15, 25, 50 miles, the way that you used to, because I might just do that. I might just show up and raw dog it and be like, hey guys, I'm from out of town. I just bought a sealed deck. Can I please borrow three keys? Or I will write red, yellow, blue on the back of scraps of paper. You know what I mean? like and And not having it is so frustrating.
00:51:38
Speaker
It should be part of the Master Vault. It should be. It needs to be. And the bigger reason it should be part of the Master Vault is because that's how people who play this game in Kitchen Table will discover it. Yeah. People who are playing Kitchen and Table are not gonna go to playstyle.com. Yeah, they might not even know Dexa Keyforge. Uh, yeah. Well, that's a third party thing, but... But that's what I'm saying. It's like there are event... There's there's an event locator on Dexa Keyforge, you know?
00:52:04
Speaker
people people push up their events and stuff. But but that's the thing is it's third party. yeah i'm I'm backing you up. GG needs to do it. they need to take They need to take it into their hands. And they will say, like these these are valuable programming hours. And I would respond, these are incredibly valuable.
00:52:21
Speaker
i like ah parts of the like community. and These are going to get you more sales. These are how your current community members are going to get new community members. This is how you get stores interested. There's just advertising through your site. And it was amazing the turnout that we have. like Our week to week, we know who's going to show up. like For sure. There's almost no question. And then Store Champs and this Mars Civil War, we had double the turnout, if not more. but yeah Not double.
00:52:51
Speaker
Yeah, we have people come out of the woodwork for events. Pre-release the pre-release. Oh my God. Yeah. We'd like 60 people show up for pre-release. We normally have like four to six people at our local. release too yeah Yeah. Yeah. And especially for this event, actually, I was able to sell it to some people who wouldn't have otherwise come because it is like a non-competitive event. Right. Yeah. Right. And I, there is something to that. Um, like people like not bringing Dex, right, is a big thing. um And I think that's appreciated. I think there is a need for both competitive and non-competitive events. Absolutely. I was just going to say that. You got to have both. um How many leagues are there? There's like 20 leagues, at least. At least. ah Like online leagues run by the community, right? Why is there not a league and run by Ghost Galaxy? Well, that's the vault tour.
00:53:50
Speaker
Waffle. They're so inaccessible. like It's just something that is playable without having to pay out of the ass, right? like What they should do is sponsor TCO and run a league through there. Absolutely. yeah Yeah, we've been saying that for a long time. Even if they go behind behind the scenes and don't want to tell us about it, like hand them some money, have someone run a league for you, um and just put something logo on it. you know Yeah, hit official in some way or another. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's like, these are the guys that literally kept this game alive for you through COVID in order to be a company selling this game now. Before the company existed. Yeah. Come on. Like give a throw them something. Those guys deserve it so much more than almost anyone else in the key forage community. Both, both the people that run a TCO, uh, cryogen, the, the head of it.
00:54:45
Speaker
Um, and the tournament organizers, yeah pretty much all of which did it without pay or didn't like just for things. Right. Um, and for love of the game, of course. I mean, I know like Hobo participates in ABR and obviously that's because he he wants somewhere to play. You know, he's, he's a ah big fish. He needs a big pond. He might as well make it himself and make sense. A lot of work.
00:55:10
Speaker
it But it is a shit. I don't know if I can curse on here. It's okay but it's a ton of work. It's a shitload of work. It's so much work. It's a lot of work. And just what you said, people want somewhere to somewhere to play to the point that they will start their own leagues. So let your players help you, right? like Let stores say, I want to run this kind of league.
00:55:34
Speaker
ah You know to track it and then yeah, I don't know say something to the winner like I want to play hack hack sad in order keyboards Lee despite my Holdings about um the league itself. I just want to I want to climb ranks. It's addictive. Yeah Yeah, I mean, there's definitely something to be said for wanting to be competitive. I know when when Jacob and I first started the game, we were pretty much the only two regular players in our local store until JJ came around. And there was definitely a point where kind of the two of us were like, all right.
00:56:11
Speaker
like I'll see you at the end of this round, Robin, while we flatten these other two guys who show up once every three weeks on a rotating basis. And then it's just the two of us, you know, and you you need somewhere to go out and and flex and play against other players, you know, and and have someone else to sharpen your skills against. like Yeah, I will say that all the The ah current OP situation has also made it confusing for store store owners. I know that there are a lot of store owners that are surprised to say, like, Keyforge? That's still a thing? Yeah. um yeah our ah Our actual local game store where we met playing this game, um just like, I mean, I won't get into the politics of that store that I'm too in tune with. But ah the like they had a box of Unchained sitting around for forever.
00:57:02
Speaker
And they were like, if you guys go through this, we might consider ordering more. I'm like, look, I get it. Unchained's a weird set. We will buy Unchained if there's more stuff, but like you got to start stocking and they, you know, they're not even aware that there's like new sets coming out. Yeah. There's, they need to communicate. It's like, asthma D definitely has not been making it easy either.
00:57:29
Speaker
Apparently, you can direct order from GG. I'm not sure if GG is telling stores this. I saw in a Discord that Josh said, oh, tell your store they can buy direct from GG. And it's like, hold on. You got a note of order off the secret menu. You can tell my store. They ordered product where your team found. Tell them you can just buy direct now.
00:57:55
Speaker
Yeah. Stores also need their distributors. is Another thing is they're not going to go backstabbing. I don't even know if it's backstabbing, but like go around their distributors to get things direct sometimes just because it's like that's not their business mind.
00:58:08
Speaker
At our current local in Westchester Games Keep, if anybody wants to show up and play, Westchester, Pennsylvania, our local is very fortunate to be hosted by Draskor from Arkons Corner. And obviously, he's an incredibly involved member of the community. But he's also very incredibly involved at our local store. And he has expressed to us how lucky he he feels and how lucky we should feel that he is involved because that store almost was ready to shut out Keyforge as well when GG was you know asking for it to be ordered through the game found because the owner was just like, I have too much stuff to deal with. Did not back the WoW game found and only got it when it came to retail sale. Yeah, because it's just too much. He's already dealing with too many other distributors, you know?
00:58:59
Speaker
I mean, that also factors into even just how we, as players, consumers, have to interact with the game found too. It's like, I'm going to get so many decks for Amber's guys. You are going to get so many decks. I'm going to get so many decks. And there's a part of me that's like, it's already sunk cost. I do want to get back to the the store, but I'm just going to have so many decks. I'm going to be rolling in decks. Yeah. yeah At this point, I'm only back in game bound to like 12 decks. That's where I'm at. Wow. I said that. And then I got the art pledge. Yeah. Part of my strategy there is as soon as those boxes come in, I plan on selling them online to anyone who needs more before it comes to retail.
00:59:49
Speaker
um and then when and just turning that money right around and just buying boxes at retail. So a great strategy, but you know at least the money gets to my local store somehow. yeah For sure. Yeah, I was with you, June. I was going to just back the the lowest level. And then when they did the tokens of change split, yeah I came back. But that was just because I was really curious to see what the super key felt like in my in my hot little hands. yeah actually i remember now i did i did also order tokens and tokens have changed display after i heard that yeah 24 tokens change is gonna be bomb it's gonna be so cool so cool logo tokens i know i'm excited it's gonna be crazy
01:00:31
Speaker
um But yeah, I do think that the OP thing is is that they're on the right track. I think GG is fumbling it a little bit. I do think that they're still getting their feet under them. I think we can give them some slack, but it needs to be more. It just needs to be more. and it's Year to year, they did come up a lot from last year from the from the game or from the but But the prize money yeah only falls to where we're at now. It's a much better model. I'm sure that we'll get closer to what we're really looking for. Yeah, I think we'd all be okay if they swing and miss a couple times a year. Absolutely. I would much rather play a bad event than not. Yeah.
01:01:14
Speaker
Yeah, if that's all we get or the couple swings and misses, um I'm not happy with that. Just swings. And when one of them's great, we'll do it twice next year and then take a couple other new shots. like Just try everything out that you can. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we are getting how many sets this year. I think they're shooting pretty hard.
01:01:35
Speaker
but But they're shooting their own direction. I don't need more product, because I'm going to spend the same amount of money anyways, and now it's just going to be diluted amongst more sets. I'm fine with that, but that's not how they're going to get more money out of me.
Tokens of Change Set Mystery
01:01:45
Speaker
They're going to get more money out of me if they do more events. If I have more reasons to... tokens of change is a mystery to me. I understand more maceutation. tokens of change is like, why? Why? It's a cool set. Why did you do it this way? Why was it an afterthought in in the game foundund campaign? Why wasn't it just one of next year's sets?
01:02:05
Speaker
It is it is a full retail release. This is like a preview. Sure, but it's not it's still considered a special set. It's not in the main set rotation, but it sure does sound like a main set.
01:02:19
Speaker
Right. Oh, yeah. What special set about this? This is a a legal set that is going to have new. I mean, presumably we'll have enough token making cards to make it a different enough set from previous sets with these houses in it. Yeah. That sounds like a full set to me. What? Why? New house. How about new house? How about the whole new house? Why surprise drop this halfway through a game count gamefound campaign? it's It's new household cards. So I will say that it is special cards and new cards.
01:02:47
Speaker
Are there new cards? There are new cards. Yeah, for sure. Okay. We saw a new card as well. That is the exact same as it's the same text as press gang, which is great. Yeah. But it's a different card. all of The cards to insert into your sanctum anti-sanctum mutant theme house. Press gang. Hell yeah, baby. I love. friends Why not just reprint the sanctum token maker? Nah, it's not angry enough. Well, I didn't like muster to be fair.
01:03:15
Speaker
Yeah, a Munster's Knocker. It's not about that. It's about the flavor. So true. Well, I think there is like a lot of like a salt in this. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah. We're so far from the point. The main point is, is more. We need more events. I think that a good healthy place would be one a month. Something small for the store. Or a way to support events. Like it's fine if it's player driven. Where are these community kits that have been talked about since yeah the first KMC? Yep. It's been almost two years.
01:03:44
Speaker
Where is my box that I personally can order and bring into the store, fund myself, and hand it out to new people when they come in or returning players to get whatever things are in there? Like, where is it? It's not that hard, and honestly. It's not. We all know playing mats are going to be in there. Just fancy playing mats.
01:04:01
Speaker
like Playmats are expensive. Just give us promo cards. They're making them themselves. They're not that expensive. I hate to say it. I used to work in print. I know that the the cost of these things, it's not cheap, but I'll tell you what. It's not the price that we're paying at retail. You know what I mean? And that's even more so. Single custom playmats are definitely expensive. Of course. But if you're pretty cheap.
01:04:22
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it's pretty Yeah, rolls of neoprene, not expensive. but you know You got to have the cutter already. So like they're already set up to do it. And that's kind of my thought with decks, too. It's like decks are expensive retail. And I'm not going to lie and say that GG isn't paying a higher premium than FFG was as a subsidiary of Asthma Day when they were making Keyforge. But the deck itself, the 36 cards, if it's just a regular deck with a special port of treatment, your your cost is minimal. It's like you were already
Complexities of Printing Custom Decks
01:04:50
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printing decks. All you're doing is taking 15 minutes to swap out the port.
01:04:53
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I've made this argument a few times. like I recognize that their manufacturing does have a pretty specialized setup. are only They're printing a deck at a time in a very specific way. so and Do they they have a fixed number of machines? right They do have a fixed number of machines, but they batch the decks up, so they're they're basically printing them the same way that you or I would print many pages of a single document. It's just that they're decks at a time. My point is, if they're doing a print run of one set and then they want to get your special deck in there,
01:05:29
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like I'm not saying my special deck, sorry, if I wasn't clear, I'm talking about the game, the store champ decks, where it's just a border. So you can print many of them at once, but they're special. Right, but it's still taking away from the main print. Definitely. Absolutely. If I can add a counterpoint to that, they've already told us that at some point, we'll be able to order custom reprints of our decks. So there's room in that printing for them to stop, print all the things that I specifically want, and then resume. I don't see how it's that much different for a
01:06:00
Speaker
short print run of prize decks. They've already told us that they can do it and that it's on the way. and I think but at the moment, I think they're doing it very deliberately. that yeah yeah now I can't wait to get like the deck reprints in my old lady shriveled hands.
01:06:17
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Here's another concept. What if there are special promo pods that you can only mix and match with the current set for OP? Um, uh, you can print them three times as efficiently. I don't know exactly what the structure of that could be. Maybe you could even collect them throughout an OP season. And then there's a big event at the end of the quarter that everyone uses, you know, creates an alliance or something that you collected these pods throughout the season, but you can print them three times as efficiently. and i'm doing that Well, hang on, actually that brings up an interesting point. They, there were.
01:06:53
Speaker
So in in the in the mark, the Martian Civil War thing that we had today, you still had an Archon card. You still had your token cards, you know, your extra card. There was also the. Runback. The the just yeah kind of the cover card that was also the record keeping cards. Yeah. um And I think there was one card in the back that was a little different, too. I don't know what that was.
01:07:20
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Well, for the storage Hamptex, they put advertisements on them. Okay, here's an idea. What if those advertisements are from outside companies and those companies fund my prize kits? So, call well hang on. but My point was that the three times more efficiently because like we've all it's 38 cards, 37 cards. Yeah.
01:07:41
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38 38 because there's the special there's a rules card and then there's the Archon card, right? So it's not three times more only because they had a couple extra like extra extra cards on top of these twelve ah its Close enough to three times Yeah, uh, it's not about that it being three times It's like did they have a special process just for these that is now very very different. It's already been created They've already proved to us that they can print individual pods, yeah. Oh, guys, foil pods. You get a foil pod that you can mix in for Alliance, but it's just- Every time a keyboard player says foil, someone at GG skins a heartbeat. Listen. You guys need to stop. It's so cool. Foils are so cool. I don't know, full art, all border, right? Yeah, full art, many of the art pieces they have,
01:08:33
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Not all of them from my minimal art research, but many of the pieces they have are much bigger than they appear on the card. Oh, for sure. Full art can't be that hard, or even extended art, right? Will has to make a single templating change, right? And you're good to go. And you just have to know which cards have the large enough art to be able to do it. All right, here's what it is. You get the proxy pod. It's a fresh pod, but you get one full art card in it. All the text is foil.
01:09:03
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Yeah. Clay with the foil. I told you what happened when you say that. That's a whole new process. They each added to their printer. Jeremy and Josh are trying to enjoy their time off. You're giving them panic attacks. Okay. Okay. So we combine the ideas, right? So we were talking about like earning the borders and and badges with special embroiderance and things. Yeah. What if you can just order a whole new deck, right? So you have an extra incentive, um,
01:09:34
Speaker
And it comes with the version, right? And there's any any number, there's endless iterations of great ideas. they could ah like the The special pods is an interesting thought, especially how considering how much they pushed ah Alliance on this last year. yeah Yeah. Like everybody was like sealed, sealed, sealed. Well, here's a Alliance. um And if they gave us the option, like, here's a pod. It's like, all right, now I've got this pod.
01:10:03
Speaker
Maybe I'll try to work with it. Otherwise, I've got a bunch of arc on decks. I think there are a lot of people not open to it. um to science yeah yeah and yeah Hand them a pod that they can't do anything else with. it Yay. Now now they're going to start looking to alliance. yeah What are you going to do, nerd? You're going to not play those shiny cards? Put them in a different thing. Especially if you give them an event specifically at the end of the season where you're like, hey, take your best pod and then swap it out with one deck, one pot of all deck. Okay. The winner... was see oh This might be a horrible idea. The winner gets their deck printed. Is it our conduct? Oh, no. That would be interesting. One pot alliance, but then it becomes a true art. It'd probably have to be sealed, though. You'd get some broken art conducts that get printed from that. Yeah, that'd be scary. Collecting the best files.
01:11:00
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I mean, they might have to like, they might have to be like attached to your, uh, like master vault. Like you report the results, right? And you are, you, your pod is also assigned to you, right? So you show up and like, I don't know, maybe you have like six or eight pods. Like you're not going to make something that broken.
01:11:21
Speaker
I guess that's true. yeah it It inherently relies on having a great combination of cards, but maybe there's like deck ascension or something, which I know people talk about. But you know what? That's so funny. We have to talk about this. JJ, who was asking you about chains? One of the new guys was talking about chains. And then our friend, I drop lungs from our local, was said something just in passing. He was like, hey, are they ever going to bring back chains?
01:11:48
Speaker
for like balancing local OP. And I was like, no, they're not because they don't like cool, fun things that are interesting. and Also, there's no local OP. It is amazing that it's it's yeah the stats are still in Master Vault 2. Like my yeah my twelve, thirteen power deck is still. Yeah, dude, I was just playing Gustav the other day on TCO. He's he's still a beast. Gustav's bike fiefdom diplomat was my first pet deck.
01:12:13
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went pretty hard at the locals. i will say you are going to end up on a couple of people shit lists by calling chain four fun and chain chainbound events and having the stats and so associated think that that's where statistics are cool we love stats findinging iron's best card in the game don't at me I mean, it's, I think it's up to the stores. Like you can let them do chain bounds if people want to play chain bound and let them play just Arkhan if they want to play Arkhan. Right? Yeah. and they Yeah, but there's nothing to keep track of chains power. ah Currently. Yeah. Yeah.
Exciting Game Experiences and Accolades
01:12:49
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That was cool, though, because it felt like, you know, Gustav was so good. I won so many games with him that it felt really cool to have the chains because it's like this giant Archon who's, you know, like throwing his all of his might against these chains that are binding him down and like, how far can he go before it's too far? You know what I mean? like That felt so cool. please themselves Every six chains, you unlock an accolade and you can get a custom print with that out on it. There you go. You heard it here first, Josh.
01:13:15
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oh Or you get a special wrong person you got a special amber token, which is it like a chained amber, right? And if you if you get enough decks like chained, you get like a full playset of chained amber. Let me ask you this, Jun, does it look super delicious and edible? Oh, yeah. It's actually also flavored. It's time in Flavored like a switch cartridge. For that wild thing to happen, they'd have to be at least moderately affiliated with a company that makes tokens and that's just so far out of reach. No one could ever dream of that scape possibly. No one could ever trace that dream back to its source.
01:14:04
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Geez. General Mills and GG coming together to make the flavor Chained Amber is my biggest fantasy, please. yeah but yeah i mean true Chains and cards have even taken a slight deep, just to pull it back to this, um have taken a deep, like there were fewer cards that chain now than there were. And I do you think a lot of the strong cards in Winds of Exchange, Grim Reminders, would be It would be interesting to see them in Chainbound events, just because, like, I don't think, like, you need Card Drop for a lot of those to start doing things. ah They're still probably better than the AOA, CODA,
01:14:43
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um Like when I hit nine chains, there was, it was a crap shoot whether it was going to do well. Yeah. And Kota, it was brutal. Yeah. It was just like, cool. I do the thing and that's it. Whereas like in, yeah, in woe, it's like, cool. I still make six tokens yeah on this turn, even though I only have two cards in hand.
01:15:06
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Yeah, it's, it's tough. I just think that what Gigi needs to do the most is just wait in.
Encouragement for Boldness and Community Events
01:15:12
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You know what I mean? I think that they appear to be a little bit worried about getting flack for their ideas. And I think they need to be less worried about that. I think that. They're always going to get flack. Exactly. Right. It's like they're always, they're always going to get crap from people. You just need to start swinging. Like you guys just need to start doing flack for the things you do rather than the things you don't. Exactly. Any any closing thoughts about like OP? p More. Take anything. More OP. Yeah, please. like just but commit well Actually, really, the community kits, yeah like give give us the power. Because if you guys aren't going to do anything, at least put the tools in our hands to do something. yeah you know I get it. If your hands are full, don't worry about it. We have so much free time. We will we we will run OP events. Yes. um We threw so many ideas out there. I'm just going to champion one.
01:16:04
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And that is ah promo cards you can slot into your decks. I know there are problems. If you figure those out, it is so easy and so cheap and gives people like re like value.
01:16:20
Speaker
I think you already figured it out, June. I think you're right. I think that the problems that there are are already present. You can sneak a Sandworm into any deck right now. Yeah. It probably wouldn't be noticed until you get the top cut. Why not make it cool? Why not have it be a shiny Sandworm? If you're going to cheat, I always sneak a Sandworm into my non-Equadon decks. I sneak 10 in.
01:16:42
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Yeah.
Investing in Physical Assets and Strategies
01:16:44
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, there there may be some issues, but if you like, if you put in the time to figure those out, the rest of your life in GG is so much easier. So much easier. Put a little money into some OP kits, a little bit of physical assets, and more money will come in because you have more players. Yeah. Boy, shiny cardboard it sure does sell.
01:17:10
Speaker
Yeah, diversity of sets is nice. um But giving us a reason to pull in the people that we don't see as often in our regular play events, for sure, is really what we're looking for. Yeah, make it feel special. Yeah. Well, any any parting words for all the all the listeners of our first episode? All those listeners. Listen to the second episode.
01:17:34
Speaker
If you're playing keyboard and not ruling of six sing We're doing it wrong or wrong yeah If you don't laminate a sheet with every card in your deck on it so that you can mark down Exactly how many times you've used each card. What are you even doing? Did you see what I did for Vandola? I didn't oh I I started making some proxies for for playing flesh and blood because the cards are crazy expensive. Cool. And I was like, oh, let me do this for Key Forge. And I made reference cards for each of the cards. I roll of six with a little space for a die on them. And I drew the I drew the card at the the art on the bottom. And it's perfect. I'm going to do it for Becky next. Nice. Yes.
01:18:25
Speaker
Very cool. June branded proxies for Rule of Sixing. Exactly. Find it at your local OP. p Find it at your local OP p kicking your absolute teeth in. yeah
01:18:37
Speaker
Okay. Well, ah after our subject, we will be doing listener mail, but obviously we have none for our first week. So that's it for Rule of Six this week. Y'all say bye.
01:18:51
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Thanks for having us, June. Bye. Bye. Thank you so much, June. Bye. This is Rule of Six, and don't forget to pull your archives. Bye.