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Speaker: Hey, welcome to the first episode of Image of the Invisible podcast.
Speaker: And hopefully there's not another podcast called Image of the Invisible.
Speaker: If so, we may have to change the name, but as of now, it's Image of the Invisible.
Speaker: And this podcast, just to give you guys a little heads up of what it's about, it's a Christ-centered podcast that we're going to be talking about the unseen forces that rule our world.
Speaker: Like being a human being, there's unseen things out there we believe like angels, demons, principalities.
Speaker: Jason Wonga, That rule this world on an unseen level and affect us day to day.
Speaker: Jason Wonga, So my name is Jason also have another podcast called afk discussions, where we talk about all the weird and strange things and conspiracies in the world and joining me is my wife tiffany.
Speaker: Tiffany Fritz, hi.
Speaker: Hi.
Speaker: So just give it a little heads up.
Speaker: So Tiffany, this is her first time doing a podcast.
Speaker: She didn't want to do it.
Speaker: And I was like, come on, you got to do a podcast with me.
Speaker: So it's going to today's going to be a very interesting because, you know, the first time and trying to get her used to talking on a mic because she doesn't like to talk anyways.
Speaker: But, you know, that's just that's a little bit about us and what's going on.
Speaker: How's your week been this week, Tiffany?
Speaker: She's about to crack up.
Speaker: It's fine.
Speaker: It sucked.
Speaker: Yeah, so there's been a lot of crazy stuff going on in our lives, hence why it's taken us so long to record this episode.
Speaker: But I hope everything is calming down.
Speaker: Kind of, I don't know, we're kind of in a season where it's weird.
Speaker: I mean, you know, I think everyone is in a weird season right now where, you know, it just costs so much money.
Speaker: to just live, to eat, to drive anywhere for gas.
Speaker: And, you know, being a family of five, you can imagine the cost that goes into that.
Speaker: We've had some unexpected surprises that has helped us out along the way recently, but still it can be challenging.
Speaker: But, yeah, so we're going to get into this.
Speaker: Because I know some of you may be coming over from the other podcast and listening to what we have to say.
Speaker: So we're going to kind of do a deep dive on some things that I have talked about previously.
Speaker: And I think we'll just start with...
Speaker: the house we're living in now.
Speaker: Um, and it will probably skip around a little bit to some other places we've lived, but, um, in 2019 we bought a 1950s house and, um, with hopes of renovating and, you know, just making it awesome.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: because we really like the, you know, it has like arch, archways for the doorways and stuff.
Speaker: It's really cool.
Speaker: It's got a lot of cool aesthetics.
Speaker: We finished the basement and living here, I guess, about how long, how many months do you think we lived here before weird things started happening?
Speaker: Three.
Speaker: three months four three four months so yeah we just started having weird things like probably the first thing I experienced was it sounded like someone was walking in our attic and I didn't really think of anything of this I don't I don't even know it's an addict addict you know the attic you said addict
Speaker: Addict, like a, you know, not a drug addict, but an addict that you put stuff in above you.
Speaker: Okay, addict.
Speaker: So if you don't know Tiffany and I, we've been married 15 years.
Speaker: We've been married 14.
Speaker: I'm saying 15.
Speaker: It's almost 15 now.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I'm counting ahead.
Speaker: As you can tell, we, you know, kind of banter back and forth and it's fun at times.
Speaker: Sometimes it can not be fun, but for the most, most of the time, it's, you know, good spirited.
Speaker: But so, okay, our attic, it sounded like someone was walking up there.
Speaker: And the funny thing is it was more over our kitchen area.
Speaker: And that's like a new addition to the house.
Speaker: And there's not that area is not really it's more of a crawl space and where you could stand up and walk.
Speaker: So that that is weird.
Speaker: Also, you've never told me about this.
Speaker: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker: I don't think I've ever told you about this.
Speaker: But that was like, early on, I would sound like footsteps, but
Speaker: I didn't think anything of it.
Speaker: I thought, you know, house settling, you know, old house makes noises.
Speaker: Yes, our 1950s house is finally settling.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: When it's 70-something years old.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: Old house making creaky noises.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I never lived in an older house, so it was, you know, new sound, so I just thought it was typical.
Speaker: Then, like, what was the first things you think you experienced here, Tiff?
Speaker: The basement door, we don't have a basement door anymore because we've finished the basement, but it used to have a door and it would lock from the inside of the house when no one was in the house.
Speaker: Yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker: And it was the only way we could get in.
Speaker: Well, not the only way, but it was the way we came into the house.
Speaker: So when it was locked, you'd have to go all the way back out and around and come in through the kitchen.
Speaker: Our front door does not open from the outside because it's from 1950.
Speaker: It's a cool thing, though, because this has all...
Speaker: I don't want to say all, most of the original door handles and stuff.
Speaker: So the front door has the original key, which we don't have a key for it.
Speaker: It's like one of those old school like skeleton keys.
Speaker: It's one of those simple call a locksmith problems to fix, but we're just so nonchalant about it.
Speaker: We just say our front door doesn't work.
Speaker: Yeah, we'll just go in the side door.
Speaker: It's fine.
Speaker: Hey, it keeps the riffraff out, right?
Speaker: really the riffraff not the not the spiritual riffraff the physical riffraff but yeah so um i think i don't so i have always been sensitive to the spiritual realm um even as a child um but in this house it seems like
Speaker: This house is a carnival.
Speaker: A carnival.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: It has it all.
Speaker: It has it all.
Speaker: So I'm going to fast forward to the most recent stuff because it's the more, dare I say, exciting things that have happened.
Speaker: It's not exciting if you're living it.
Speaker: Well, yeah, but I mean, it's, I have, I've never been like truly scared.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I haven't.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So the one thing that comes to mind, we were all sitting in our living room.
Speaker: We were watching a movie and we have three cats and all of our cats were in the living room.
Speaker: And we distinctly heard footsteps coming up our stairs, like heavy footsteps.
Speaker: I mean, you could definitely tell it was two feet walking up the stairs.
Speaker: And we have a black cat.
Speaker: He's like the... He's a beast.
Speaker: He's a beast.
Speaker: He's like the guardian of the house.
Speaker: He's not fat.
Speaker: He's just big.
Speaker: He's a panther.
Speaker: Yeah, we call him the house panther.
Speaker: And so he jumps up when he heard this and he took off like towards the stairs looking around and he literally went in every room and like checked it out to see if anybody was in there.
Speaker: But it also it sounded like him coming up the stairs.
Speaker: He sounds like a full grown man when he walks up the stairs.
Speaker: That's true.
Speaker: But he was in the living room with us.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So that is one of the weird things.
Speaker: And also to come to find out, I was talking to a neighbor.
Speaker: Um, this was shortly after we moved in and, uh, he informed us that, uh, a lady passed away from an aneurysm in our house.
Speaker: Um, in our bedroom.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So there's that.
Speaker: And, um,
Speaker: This is where it gets kind of... I guess we live in a state where you don't have to disclose that.
Speaker: I think some states you have to disclose if someone passes away in the house.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Also, you can go in diedinhouse.com, but you have to pay.
Speaker: I think it's quite a bit you have to pay to get the background of who's died in your property.
Speaker: Um, but anyways, that's no, neither here nor there.
Speaker: We're, we're living here after the fact.
Speaker: So, um, yeah, so all that happened and it, it kind of started.
Speaker: So I, I have a thing where, um, I don't know if it's nightmares cause I don't really remember things, but I will.
Speaker: pray in my sleep he performs exorcisms in his sleep yeah so i was being nice by saying praying no he fall out like it's like casting out demons speaking in tongues it's terrifying it's terrifying to her i don't she recorded it one night and uh yeah i i didn't i didn't know i was doing all that um he's done that the entire time we've been married though it's not a recent thing
Speaker: yeah um but that happens and sometimes i will wake up and i have seen things in our bedroom um call them shadow figures um that's the the terminology that most people use um you know like a figure an entity that's darker than dark you know blacker than the room um
Speaker: The room just feels dark.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Darker than it should.
Speaker: For instance, I rolled over once and opened my eyes and it looked like a man.
Speaker: Like...
Speaker: It was short in stature, but looked like an old man just standing next to the bed.
Speaker: And it was not a child.
Speaker: No, it was not a child.
Speaker: We have three of those.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Who frequently come stand next to the bed as kids do.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And terrify you.
Speaker: So I saw that.
Speaker: Also, I've seen something.
Speaker: I think I've told you this, Tiff.
Speaker: Maybe I haven't.
Speaker: And this is really, really, it's going to be on the fringe, on the little bit on the weird side, guys.
Speaker: I swear, it looked like a Bigfoot.
Speaker: That's like tall, hairy thing.
Speaker: In our bedroom?
Speaker: In our bedroom, standing next to the bed.
Speaker: I don't think I've told you that.
Speaker: I'm moving.
Speaker: Just popped up and, you know, it, it like dissipated.
Speaker: That was very strange.
Speaker: And just to go into the little things about the Bigfoot.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: I know people on the fence yet.
Speaker: If you know, it, is it real or not?
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: Is it a real creature?
Speaker: Is it an animal?
Speaker: I am very much under the assumption that Bigfoot is a spiritual entity.
Speaker: A Nephilim, if you will.
Speaker: So that's my take on it.
Speaker: And one popping up in your bedroom is not beyond the realm of possibility to me.
Speaker: I think that's something that could totally happen.
Speaker: It could have just been me.
Speaker: It's not you.
Speaker: It could have been me in the winter months when shaving doesn't happen.
Speaker: Yeah, that is true.
Speaker: But no, it wasn't you.
Speaker: This was a little bit taller than you.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I know a difference between Chewbacca and my wife.
Speaker: Is Chewbacca a Bigfoot?
Speaker: Could be.
Speaker: I mean, that's... I mean, he was a Wookiee.
Speaker: That, well, I mean, where do you think he got the idea from?
Speaker: You know, I mean...
Speaker: A lot of people think that George Lucas saw a Bigfoot or Sasquatch.
Speaker: So then George Lucas saw all these other aliens too?
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: That's where he got the idea?
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: I mean, this isn't here.
Speaker: That's not what this podcast is about.
Speaker: This isn't here or there, but yeah.
Speaker: So guys, let's get back to the topic.
Speaker: So we saw, I saw all that stuff in the room.
Speaker: And then shortly after, so Tiffany and I hadn't discussed it at all, right?
Speaker: We have really great communication skills as a couple.
Speaker: We don't talk.
Speaker: We don't talk.
Speaker: Or she says I ask too many questions.
Speaker: Either we don't talk or she's like, don't ask me those questions.
Speaker: So we were in the car driving somewhere.
Speaker: I think it was one of the days that we were both off work and our kids were at school.
Speaker: And Tiffany made a comment.
Speaker: She's like,
Speaker: It felt like one of our cats was walking on the bed last night, and there were no cats in the room.
Speaker: So do you want to go into that?
Speaker: I guess.
Speaker: I didn't want to record this at home because I didn't want to talk about it in the house, but...
Speaker: Whatever.
Speaker: So it had actually been happening for months before I mentioned it to you, but my friend at work can attest I would come in like a zombie because I hadn't been sleeping.
Speaker: But anyway, so...
Speaker: I have since made a habit.
Speaker: I always make sure we have the three cats.
Speaker: I always make sure all three cats are out of the bedroom because they like to hide as cats do.
Speaker: Just to make sure that it is not a cat.
Speaker: But when it first started, I thought maybe I have like restless leg syndrome or something because it would feel like
Speaker: The bed was moving, which is a whole other topic we can talk about later.
Speaker: But it would feel like the bed was moving.
Speaker: And then it started feeling more like something was walking on the bed.
Speaker: Like you could feel the weight of something walking on the bed.
Speaker: And then it has progressed.
Speaker: And it hasn't happened in a little bit.
Speaker: But it had progressed to where you could actually.
Speaker: It literally felt like the cat's stick legs walking on top of me.
Speaker: before we went on a trip was the worst it had been.
Speaker: We went on a spring break trip, and the night before we left was the worst it had ever been.
Speaker: And it literally felt like I could feel the stick cat legs crawl across my arm and then go up above my head, like around the pillow.
Speaker: So there's that.
Speaker: So didn't you also say that it felt like two legs, not four?
Speaker: Yeah, it was just two.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that last night, that wasn't the last night that happened, but the night before the trip, our son was in the bed too because he's a baby.
Speaker: He's not really, but he thinks he is.
Speaker: And I could feel it walk across me and then on to him and then back.
Speaker: So I don't know how he slept through that, but he did.
Speaker: So I have also felt this and that's what we were talking about.
Speaker: We were like, she told me about what she experienced and that said, I felt that too.
Speaker: That's, you know, I thought it was just me or I thought there was a cat in the room.
Speaker: Um, but that is, that is probably the weirdest thing.
Speaker: Um, and, um,
Speaker: There is, what, go ahead.
Speaker: Pause.
Speaker: Why don't you tell them about the more to that story that you didn't tell me, but you said on your other podcast.
Speaker: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker: I almost forgot that.
Speaker: Which completely freaked me out when I was listening, because why wouldn't you tell me?
Speaker: I swear I thought I told you.
Speaker: So I was asleep one night and I felt the legs, we'll just call them legs at this point.
Speaker: And I'm laying there and I hear the drawer to her nightstand slide open.
Speaker: You can imagine this sound, if you can hear it.
Speaker: I don't know if you can hear that or not.
Speaker: Like this.
Speaker: You can't hear it on the microphone.
Speaker: Never mind.
Speaker: I'm trying to make the sound.
Speaker: No, it's not working.
Speaker: Let's see the sound.
Speaker: Yeah, that sound.
Speaker: We have some rickety nightstands, apparently.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's the sound.
Speaker: That's not what it sounds like, but okay.
Speaker: You get the idea.
Speaker: So I hear it slide open, and I'm thinking, oh, Tiffany's looking for something.
Speaker: So Tiffany has really sensitive ears, and she can literally hear everything.
Speaker: I made a joke once.
Speaker: She has eagle ears because you know how eagles can see stuff far off her ears like that?
Speaker: But anyways.
Speaker: I think that's it.
Speaker: Anyway, so she sleeps with the earplugs in.
Speaker: And a big box fan.
Speaker: And a big box fan.
Speaker: For the noise.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I was just thinking, oh, maybe she lost an earplug and she's reaching in to get a new earplug to put in.
Speaker: And then the drawer shuts.
Speaker: And I think I reached over or something, and you were, like, asleep.
Speaker: You didn't move.
Speaker: Which is, that was just very weird.
Speaker: And I kind of got scared at that point.
Speaker: I did.
Speaker: I take it back.
Speaker: I did get scared.
Speaker: Oh, yeah, and that wasn't.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: There was something else that really freaked me out.
Speaker: It just came to my head.
Speaker: This better not be new information.
Speaker: I told you about it.
Speaker: I think, I hope I told you about it.
Speaker: Maybe I didn't.
Speaker: We'll find out.
Speaker: So that happened.
Speaker: And one night I was laying, for some reason I sleep on the edge of the bed.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I think we both do.
Speaker: We both like, we h ave a king size bed, but we sleep on the very edge.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Opposite edge.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But I was, you know, facing her and my back was to the edge.
Speaker: And I swear it felt like a hand touched my back.
Speaker: Did I tell you this?
Speaker: Nope.
Speaker: A hand touched my back.
Speaker: And I can't remember what I did.
Speaker: I know I woke up and I felt it.
Speaker: I was definitely awake.
Speaker: I wasn't asleep.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I think I wrapped my body in the blanket.
Speaker: The blanket will protect you.
Speaker: Curled up and I just laid there with my eyes open.
Speaker: Freaked out.
Speaker: But yeah, so that happened also.
Speaker: And I didn't tell you that?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Well, sorry.
Speaker: I'm surprised you felt it because I beat you in your sleep sometimes.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It was ice cold though.
Speaker: I do have ice cold hands sometimes.
Speaker: Did you do that?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Did you crawl around the side of the bed and chase it?
Speaker: Absolutely not.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Um, so yeah, that happened.
Speaker: That was, that was, uh, pretty weird.
Speaker: We have flickering lights, light bulbs that burn out.
Speaker: These light bulbs are supposed to last for seven or eight years, and they're in there for a couple months, and all three at the same time blow out.
Speaker: Yeah, and another thing about the light bulbs is weird.
Speaker: They're LEDs, and LEDs aren't supposed to flicker.
Speaker: There's no filament.
Speaker: Yeah, the one that still does it is the one above your bathroom sink, and it's done it the whole time we've lived here, no matter what light bulbs we put in it.
Speaker: I don't think I put normal light bulbs.
Speaker: Anyway, I videoed it the other day to see if I could see if it was some kind of like SOS signal.
Speaker: Oh, really?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But I didn't look any further into it.
Speaker: I didn't look it up or anything.
Speaker: That would be crazy if it was.
Speaker: Because it's not a pattern.
Speaker: It's just random.
Speaker: But then sometimes it seems like it's a pattern.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: We live in the Stranger Things house.
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: That's a possibility.
Speaker: So all this has been going on since we lived here pretty much.
Speaker: I mean, there's more.
Speaker: Do you have more?
Speaker: What do you have?
Speaker: Just feeling like somebody's behind me.
Speaker: Oh, really?
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Okay, our kids are old enough, so we let them stay home alone sometimes.
Speaker: I don't know why.
Speaker: When I don't want to be alone in the house, I would let my kids stay alone, but I'm a great parent.
Speaker: But a couple of our kids seem to be more sensitive to this sort of thing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So that's probably not a great idea, but, um, one of them says they can hear things in the attic.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: The attic just feels creepy.
Speaker: Like, um, I know at one point we had raccoons because we could see them on the ring camera, but they haven't been back in a few months.
Speaker: And, um,
Speaker: We can't get up to the attic because the stairs, the ladder is broken.
Speaker: It's a basic homeowner thing that we just let go because we don't care.
Speaker: Well, we don't go up to the attic.
Speaker: Well, we need to.
Speaker: Who knows what's up there?
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Our Christmas tree's not up there, that's for sure.
Speaker: It's been in our dining room for a year and a half.
Speaker: In the box.
Speaker: Because the ladder's broken and we can't get it up there.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: Anyway, we need to get up there and check it out because there's something up there, whether that's raccoons or, you know, a ghost lady.
Speaker: A ghost lady.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I hope there's no ghost lady up there.
Speaker: Or one of my friends said a salt ring could be up there.
Speaker: Who knows?
Speaker: A salt ring?
Speaker: A salt ring could be up there.
Speaker: We need to get up there and check it out.
Speaker: You mean like the... I'm going to send you first.
Speaker: You mean like... You're the man of the house.
Speaker: I'll have to do some fasting and prayer before I go up there.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And take some anointing oil.
Speaker: I'll go Home Depot today and buy the letter.
Speaker: No, you're not.
Speaker: You can buy it, but I'm not going to install it.
Speaker: But yeah, so a salt ring, is that like, you mean like a ring that they put to like keep spirits out?
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Because that's what I think about.
Speaker: She was telling me a story about something that happened when she was a kid and a salt ring appeared around her brother's bed or something.
Speaker: It was something weird.
Speaker: Honestly, I don't remember all the details, but you know.
Speaker: If you talk to enough people, most people have stories like this.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: There's a lot of people.
Speaker: But nobody wants to talk about it because they don't want to be the crazy one.
Speaker: Yeah, we are.
Speaker: But that's okay.
Speaker: We can be your crazy aunt and uncle.
Speaker: That's right.
Speaker: We are your crazy aunt and uncle.
Speaker: Everyone has one in their family.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Let us be yours.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: So the thing about the salt ring is weird.
Speaker: We have no salt ring in our house that we know of.
Speaker: So yeah, I'm just, I'm just thinking in general.
Speaker: So it's not the thing that the premise behind the salt ring is to keep things out, to keep things out.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Or, you know, I guess you, if there was only based on watching supernatural, the show super, it's a good show guys.
Speaker: Check it out.
Speaker: Don't watch it.
Speaker: If your house is already doing weird stuff though.
Speaker: So I guess if they could put an object or something and put salt around and keep it in the circle, I guess.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: The whole premise behind salt is it's not just salt.
Speaker: It has to be kosher salt, you know, because kosher is blessed.
Speaker: And that's the whole premise.
Speaker: So I'm just saying.
Speaker: So if we buy kosher salt at the store, it's been blessed.
Speaker: Yeah, that's the whole thing.
Speaker: That's what makes it kosher?
Speaker: Yeah, that's what kosher is.
Speaker: Kosher foods.
Speaker: They have to, that's why.
Speaker: So some rabbi has blessed all this salt in a factory?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: I don't believe you.
Speaker: It is.
Speaker: Look it up.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Look it up.
Speaker: That's what kosher food is.
Speaker: That's why they can't eat it.
Speaker: What would their job title be?
Speaker: Salt blesser?
Speaker: Rabbi?
Speaker: Salt blesser.
Speaker: Look it up.
Speaker: It's a thing.
Speaker: I'm not going to look it up.
Speaker: This is not the Google podcast.
Speaker: It is the Google podcast.
Speaker: Welcome to Image of the Google podcast.
Speaker: But yeah, guys, so all this weird stuff is just, I don't know.
Speaker: I mean, it's definitely spiritual, and I believe it's like an oppression that comes from
Speaker: And just tries.
Speaker: I think there's a definite spiritual oppression around believers in general to whether it be, you know,
Speaker: or whether it be something just, you know, to irritate you or scare you.
Speaker: Because I believe, being a believer in Christ, that we have power over these things.
Speaker: But they can influence you in negative ways to
Speaker: disrupt your walk with God.
Speaker: But I don't know.
Speaker: I mean, I don't know in general.
Speaker: I mean, like I say all the time in the other podcasts that, you know, what are ghosts per se?
Speaker: I mean, no one really knows.
Speaker: There's no biblical explanation for ghosts.
Speaker: They're talked about in just briefly.
Speaker: And the thing I always go back to whenever Jesus is walking across the water to the boat, and all the disciples are like, it's a spirit.
Speaker: You know, they're afraid because they think it's a ghost.
Speaker: And, you know, whenever Jesus gets in the boat, he never says, it's never alluded to him like, there's no such things as ghosts.
Speaker: There's no such things as spirits.
Speaker: And there's no like condemnation to weird saying, don't believe in something like that.
Speaker: You know, there's nothing like that.
Speaker: So I don't know what these things are.
Speaker: They're disembodied spirits.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yes, I got that.
Speaker: But, I mean, do you believe they're human?
Speaker: Or are they demonic?
Speaker: Or, like, a lot of people think that the disembodied spirits are actually the spirits of the Nephilim because they have...
Speaker: a angel DNA in them.
Speaker: So whenever they, the actual giants, the Nephilim died, then their spirit became disembodied and is, can interact with the physical world.
Speaker: I didn't prepare for that conversation.
Speaker: I know we didn't.
Speaker: I'm just saying you, you said it.
Speaker: So I'm, I'm just throwing it out there.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: No?
Speaker: No, we're not going to go down that road right now.
Speaker: Okay, guys.
Speaker: Stay tuned for the next episodes on Nephilim and Disembodied Spirits.
Speaker: That's coming up soon.
Speaker: I am part Nephilim.
Speaker: Now you want to go into it?
Speaker: So what she's referring to is... I'm kidding.
Speaker: Yeah, she's kidding.
Speaker: But what she's referring to is a serious thing.
Speaker: There is a theory that anyone with RH negative blood... Scientifically, RH negative isn't a natural blood type?
Speaker: Is that what they say?
Speaker: O- O- O- But it's RH The RH factor negative Is Only found in X amount of the population And it's different from Any other blood type I mean obviously it's different from any other All blood types are different But there's something about it that's special Or
Speaker: I guess you could say.
Speaker: Right?
Speaker: Am I correct in saying that?
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I was just making a joke.
Speaker: I know, but I'm just saying.
Speaker: I'm iterating on what you said.
Speaker: I'm just letting them know the premise behind what you said.
Speaker: I don't want to look it up.
Speaker: Right now?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: This is not the Google Podcast.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So that's that aspect.
Speaker: So I'm going to go...
Speaker: Because there is a lot of things that's happened to me personally in my life that I potentially, I think that things are drawn to me, for lack of a better word.
Speaker: So I'll just start off.
Speaker: So my...
Speaker: Mom and my grandmother.
Speaker: So my grandmother, she was a widow and lived by herself.
Speaker: I thought you were going to say she was a witch.
Speaker: She was a witch.
Speaker: My grandmother was a witch.
Speaker: My grandmother, she was a witch.
Speaker: She was a widow, and so she lived by herself.
Speaker: And I would stay with her a lot, right?
Speaker: Like she would, you know, babysit me and stuff.
Speaker: So there's a story that my mom and my grandmother told me about
Speaker: when I was a baby or toddler, I can't remember exactly what it was, like how, what age I was, but apparently I was sitting at the kitchen table, like in my high chair and my mother and grandmother were cooking and they said they all of a sudden they started hearing this talking and laughter, um, coming from around me.
Speaker: Have I told you the story?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: I haven't told you this.
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: So this talking and laughter coming from around the area where I was sitting.
Speaker: Um, and that's, that's pretty much the end of it.
Speaker: They were like, Oh, we, you know, we, we want to believe that you're, you know, your, your grandfather and coming to visit you, you know, cause he never got to know you, you know, whatever, which is a little weird.
Speaker: Um, my, I wasn't a toddler when they told me that.
Speaker: No, I was older.
Speaker: Oh, I wouldn't remember if I was a toddler.
Speaker: They told me this happened when I was a toddler.
Speaker: My, they told me this later on.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: So a little history of my family.
Speaker: We are Native American descendants, which I've always heard, but we kind of did the genealogy and figured out that, yes, I am.
Speaker: My great-grandfather was a Methodist minister.
Speaker: So that's just a little bit of my history there.
Speaker: Not on the same side as the widow, right?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: That's weird that she would be saying that and she's Methodist.
Speaker: So Methodists back in the day are a lot different.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Methodists was more charismatic back in the day.
Speaker: So they would tell me stories of they would have shouting at the... Shouting?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's what they're shouting.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: They would, you know, like, whoa, Jesus, you know, like yell and they would run around the... You've seen the videos of people that get up and run around the auto-jorm.
Speaker: They would do that.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: And we're very country here where we live.
Speaker: So that's... I'm not.
Speaker: No, back in the day, very country, you know, even more than today.
Speaker: But that's, you know, the shouting.
Speaker: Shouting.
Speaker: Shouting.
Speaker: And, you know... Yeah.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: So there's that.
Speaker: And, okay, I'm going to progress now.
Speaker: So that happened when I was a toddler.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Fast forward to... This was, I think, fourth grade.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Um, we're all, we're going to church.
Speaker: We're going to a, uh, so we, at that time, whenever we were, uh, when I was a toddler, I think that's my family.
Speaker: They were going to a, um, a church of God.
Speaker: Um, then, um, when I was a little bit over older, we started going to this other, um, full gospel charismatic church.
Speaker: Um, which.
Speaker: Did your mom wear dresses and have long hair?
Speaker: She didn't have long hair.
Speaker: It wasn't that.
Speaker: It wasn't fundamental.
Speaker: Fundamentalist.
Speaker: I'm pretty sure full gospel is.
Speaker: Dress is long hair.
Speaker: This wasn't.
Speaker: And it wasn't full gospel.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Full gospel like.
Speaker: You know charismatic.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: You know.
Speaker: This is your story.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: We were going to church there.
Speaker: And.
Speaker: I was playing at a friend's house.
Speaker: Behind our house.
Speaker: And I think you may not know the story either.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Anyways, we don't talk.
Speaker: So they have a tree house and we were playing.
Speaker: We were running up the tree house, jumping off one side and, you know, running around, just chasing each other.
Speaker: Well, I go to jump out, jump off, and I land weird, and I break my arm in two places.
Speaker: And my mom is taking the hospital, and apparently the way it fractured, it was a weird fracture.
Speaker: And they were going to operate and set it, and they said that I would.
Speaker: have partial use of my arm because of the way the bones splintered or whatever.
Speaker: Um, I don't know all the details of it.
Speaker: I was young at the time, but, um, some people from the church came and prayed for me and I will, I will never forget this.
Speaker: So I'm laying in the hospital bed.
Speaker: And they all like gather around me and they're laying hands on me and they're praying.
Speaker: And I said, I'm, I'm feel like a tingling in my arm.
Speaker: It's like warm and tingle, tingly sensation.
Speaker: And they're like, that's just your nerves dying.
Speaker: No, the people praying is like, you know, God's working on you and all this stuff, you know?
Speaker: So they pray for me and I had that sensation and, um, they prepped me for the surgery.
Speaker: I'm sedated.
Speaker: I go under.
Speaker: They take me down.
Speaker: My mom said 10 to 15 minutes later, they bring me back to the room.
Speaker: The surgery was supposed to take a couple hours or something like that.
Speaker: The doctor's like, the strangest thing happened.
Speaker: I lifted his arm.
Speaker: We were prepped.
Speaker: I lifted his arm.
Speaker: I was going to put the stuff they rub on your arm before they cut you open.
Speaker: The disinfectant stuff or whatever.
Speaker: Ironine, I think.
Speaker: Yeah, maybe.
Speaker: He said, I lifted his arm to prep, and I heard a pop, and all the bones popped back into place.
Speaker: Everything.
Speaker: They did x-ray.
Speaker: Everything was back into place.
Speaker: I didn't even have to wear full cast is a thing.
Speaker: I just had to have a brace and they wrapped it in gauze and like braces.
Speaker: No, no full cast.
Speaker: This is, this is the truth.
Speaker: It's, it's, it's still, um, mind boggling to this day to me.
Speaker: How, um, well, I mean, it's not, I mean, I know God can do anything, but I mean, to experience it, it's, it's,
Speaker: just it's awesome you know um so that happened then I guess a couple years later I wanted to really play soccer like soccer was the thing I wanted to do um this was
Speaker: This is in middle school also.
Speaker: Oh, no, this is in middle school.
Speaker: The other was in elementary school, like fifth grade, I think.
Speaker: So this is a middle school.
Speaker: I want to play soccer more than anything, except I have a... Is it a pigeon toe where your toe turns in?
Speaker: One of my foot turned in, and I went to trial for soccer, and they said that I couldn't play because, you know, the way my foot was that I wouldn't be able to play soccer.
Speaker: Um...
Speaker: Your foot does not turn in.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: That's what I'm getting to.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So they had the same church I went to.
Speaker: They had a bone healer or whatever.
Speaker: I guess you would call them healer.
Speaker: A bone healer?
Speaker: But he was specialized in bone growth.
Speaker: People specialize in what they pray for?
Speaker: Yes, in healing.
Speaker: I guess so.
Speaker: That's what I was told.
Speaker: Never heard of this.
Speaker: That's what I was told.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Anyways, he prayed for my foot.
Speaker: And I was really scared.
Speaker: I didn't want to do it.
Speaker: I was like, no, you know, I don't know why I was so scared, but I was.
Speaker: And he told me to, he prayed for me.
Speaker: He's like, I want you to just walk up and down the aisle.
Speaker: Was this in a tent?
Speaker: No, it was not in a tent.
Speaker: I'm envisioning it in one of those tent revivals in a big cornfield.
Speaker: No, it wasn't.
Speaker: It was just in the normal church.
Speaker: But I started walking, and my foot just went straight.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Like I said, I mean, God is awesome.
Speaker: I can't explain what happened.
Speaker: I'm just, I'm relaying what I went through.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Did you make the soccer team?
Speaker: I did.
Speaker: I played soccer.
Speaker: Did you?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Oh.
Speaker: You know I played soccer.
Speaker: We've talked about this.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I played soccer all the way through middle school and then I started skateboarding and
Speaker: And then you broke your ankle.
Speaker: I did break my ankle.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's not crooked.
Speaker: It's just, but it is jacked up.
Speaker: Broke your ankle.
Speaker: Didn't actually do anything about it.
Speaker: Just carried on with your life.
Speaker: That was skateboarding.
Speaker: That's what you did.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So yeah, that, that happened.
Speaker: And so let's, let's fast forward to.
Speaker: Gosh, I don't.
Speaker: So in high school, I kind of fell away from the church.
Speaker: I was playing in some bands, skateboarding.
Speaker: You know, I didn't have time for the church, right?
Speaker: So I don't know.
Speaker: The band I was in eventually broke up.
Speaker: We were together for like seven years.
Speaker: And I actually didn't break up.
Speaker: I quit the band.
Speaker: I started working at like a job that would actually become my career.
Speaker: And I met a lady there and she invited me to church.
Speaker: And you met a lady there.
Speaker: Yeah, lady.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So you met a lady there.
Speaker: Yeah, but you said you met a lady.
Speaker: You met a lady there.
Speaker: Yeah, no.
Speaker: I know the lady.
Speaker: Go, continue.
Speaker: So, and she invited me to come to her church.
Speaker: She's like, oh, you play in a band?
Speaker: You know, I know these guys that, you know, they're looking to start a band.
Speaker: And I was like, well, you know, that's, I've been trying to, I didn't say this, but, you know, I was trying to get my life back on track.
Speaker: Find God again.
Speaker: Even though I didn't go to church, but, you know, I still believe, but I was at a place where I, you know.
Speaker: Hold up.
Speaker: What?
Speaker: You were completely misportrayed to me when we were set up.
Speaker: No, I was going to church before I met you.
Speaker: Yeah, but from the sounds of it, not for very long.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You met a lady.
Speaker: That lady who introduced us to each other.
Speaker: Yeah, like a year after I knew her.
Speaker: Okay, all right.
Speaker: So I met, I ended up meeting Tiffany's brother, who ended up playing drums for my band.
Speaker: And so we started a band.
Speaker: Actually, I was playing with some other guys in the church before Tiffany's brother joined.
Speaker: um but yeah so we we were practicing at her house and then tiffany graduated college i wooed him came back charm yeah so um that's how we met um but throughout that we we started um i guess
Speaker: Through the band, it turned into more of a ministry than just playing music.
Speaker: We started having a, some people call it small group, some people call it life groups.
Speaker: There's many different names for Bible study.
Speaker: Bible study.
Speaker: Pretty much having church at your house.
Speaker: According to the neighbors, we were having a party and they called the police.
Speaker: We were literally having a Bible study and the police laughed and left.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But I mean, it got pretty huge.
Speaker: We're having about, you know, 15 people show up to this small group.
Speaker: So the band would practice.
Speaker: And then after practice, people would come over and we'd host this small group.
Speaker: And it was really cool.
Speaker: God did some awesome things.
Speaker: Then I don't know what happened.
Speaker: We kind of stopped having it.
Speaker: Was it because the band was kind of breaking up?
Speaker: We kind of stopped having it because the church we were attending at the time tried to take it over so they could count it in their numbers.
Speaker: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker: And we refused to come under their wing.
Speaker: And then the band kind of broke up, so it just kind of fell apart.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's another thing.
Speaker: And I moved.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You moved.
Speaker: That's the whole reason.
Speaker: It's because I moved.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So, yes, you moved.
Speaker: That's what I woke up.
Speaker: Everything fell apart because I left.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So, Tiffany left to become a missionary for a little while.
Speaker: And we were still, the band was still together when you were away, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I don't remember because it became another band after that.
Speaker: Like it didn't become, you started another band after that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But I don't remember.
Speaker: But we had our first date.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Right before I left.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And as you do on a first date, we talked about demons and spiritual warfare in the middle of a Thai restaurant.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: That's how normal we are.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That was our first date.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: Very normal.
Speaker: Um, so I'm going to continue with the timeline here.
Speaker: So band, we'll just say band broke up.
Speaker: You left.
Speaker: Um, I started in a new band with some other people from the area.
Speaker: Um, my brother, your brother wasn't in that band at first.
Speaker: Oh, not at first.
Speaker: You're right.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: He was right at the tail end of my, uh, time with the band.
Speaker: Um, so,
Speaker: I had a few other friends and bands in the area that had broken up recently.
Speaker: And I always felt like I was called to...
Speaker: I don't reach people reach the unreachable, I guess you would say.
Speaker: So the whole thing behind the band was, you know, the first band we played mainly Christian clubs and stuff is very small.
Speaker: Um, but this, the new band was my vision was to go to the places where other bands that are Christian are not going to play like to play in bars, to play, uh,
Speaker: Um, wherever.
Speaker: So it is, it was a heavy metal band.
Speaker: Um, we, uh, we started, I mean, it was, it was awesome.
Speaker: It was great.
Speaker: We, I think everyone who joined the band, I mean, we're all like-minded.
Speaker: Um, then Tiffany.
Speaker: And then you, but you wrote the music, you wrote most of the lyrics to the songs.
Speaker: Um, and they were,
Speaker: Trying to think of a word.
Speaker: Kind of prophetic.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Inspired, I guess.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But you wouldn't, I mean, the kind of people that listen to that aren't listening to the words, they're listening to the sound.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So you'd go in and sing slash scream this prophetic message over them and they have no idea.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, so Tiffany and while this band's getting together, Tiffany moves back to the U.S. Um, it's, it's maybe, maybe stay away from Jason.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's what it was.
Speaker: Maybe in a later, that's, that was all, um, meant to be also.
Speaker: I don't,
Speaker: That is not what happened, but that's what happened.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, it was something that, it was a God thing, 100%.
Speaker: I got kicked out of the country I was in.
Speaker: I mean, do you want to say?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: No?
Speaker: Okay, she doesn't want to say.
Speaker: Maybe later she'll tell you guys, but it was a God thing why she came back.
Speaker: So Tiffany's back.
Speaker: I'm playing in this band.
Speaker: So I don't know if you were with me when this happened, Tiffany.
Speaker: So we were playing a show in Kentucky.
Speaker: As you do.
Speaker: We play a lot of shows in Kentucky.
Speaker: Uh-huh.
Speaker: Um, so I had just got a new car.
Speaker: I used to be a big car nerd.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: I was with you because we got new cars the same day.
Speaker: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker: We were dating at that point.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So I had this car.
Speaker: It's a Volkswagen GTI hatchback, you know, sporty sport car.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: So we went and played a show and I'm parked up on the front of the building.
Speaker: So we went in and we hadn't played yet.
Speaker: No, we did play.
Speaker: And we were told that there were people when we were playing in the back of the club that had Bibles and they're ripping the Bibles up as we're playing, which, you know, put me in a foul mood to say the least.
Speaker: But, you know, when you're in situations like that, I mean, you know that you're doing the right thing if the opposition is there to kind of stand against you.
Speaker: Um, so I go outside, we load up, I think the car, um, or load up our fan.
Speaker: We had a van and I drove separately, um, as I did because I worked, uh, um, to put it bluntly.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So the, there was another band playing after us.
Speaker: So I go outside to get, I think I was getting something out of the car or taking something to the car.
Speaker: I can't remember.
Speaker: And there's this kid, um, sitting on the hood of my car.
Speaker: And I, anger just took over.
Speaker: I was so mad.
Speaker: Like, if it was a cartoon, there'd be smoke coming to my ears.
Speaker: And I woke up to him and I was like, get off my car.
Speaker: And I put my finger in his face and I said, I don't want you to ever see you on my car again.
Speaker: If I do, bad things are going to happen.
Speaker: I don't know if I said I was going to beat him over something.
Speaker: But, you know, I was angry.
Speaker: Jason's a little bit of a hothead.
Speaker: Yeah, I was very angry.
Speaker: This is my new car.
Speaker: How dare you, right?
Speaker: And this is after me, a Christian musician, playing and trying to speak the gospel to all these kids, right?
Speaker: So I turn around to leave.
Speaker: I'm just mad.
Speaker: I'm going back inside.
Speaker: And it's like God grabs me by my collar.
Speaker: He's like, hey, what are you doing?
Speaker: Stop.
Speaker: I stopped dead in my tracks.
Speaker: He's like, yeah, you gotta go and apologize to that kid.
Speaker: So I turned around, I walked over, and he's sitting down, and I sat down next to him, and I was like, I just want to say I'm sorry.
Speaker: I was out of line.
Speaker: I shouldn't have done that.
Speaker: I can't remember what else I said, and he looked at me.
Speaker: He's like, you know, you're the first Christian to ever tell me sorry for doing something wrong.
Speaker: Bad.
Speaker: I was like, what do you mean?
Speaker: He goes, well, you know, people look at me the way I am.
Speaker: He's like, obviously he had like, he was, I mean, long story short, he was one of the kids that was tearing up the Bibles.
Speaker: He had like pentagrams and stuff like on his shirt.
Speaker: He's like, you're the first Christian to ever say, I'm sorry to me for anything.
Speaker: Like we're making fun of me.
Speaker: Christians make fun of me all the time because the way I look, the way I dress.
Speaker: And he's like, I just want to say thank you.
Speaker: And that, that hit me so hard.
Speaker: Still to this day, it's, it's, it's hitting me right now.
Speaker: Just that, I mean, just think, if I hadn't listened to God say, go back and talk to that kid.
Speaker: I mean, who knows?
Speaker: I mean, that, I don't know where he is now.
Speaker: I mean, I hope that maybe that was a turning point in his life.
Speaker: That maybe just showing him a little compassion, a little love was something that impacted him for the rest of his life.
Speaker: But that was something just, I don't know, just little things like that made playing music worth it.
Speaker: If that's the one person that I impacted their life, then everything I have done was worth it.
Speaker: Okay, so.
Speaker: Get off your soapbox.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm off my soapbox.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So continuing down the road of spiritual things in my life.
Speaker: So Tiffany and I, we joined another life group.
Speaker: Well, actually it wasn't a life group.
Speaker: It was a group of people that got together and played music and prayed together.
Speaker: I'm not saying this.
Speaker: I'm going to preface this by not saying this.
Speaker: I'm not saying this to toot my own horn or anything like that.
Speaker: I'm just telling you this is what got me to where I am today.
Speaker: And I skipped over something really big.
Speaker: I have to come back to you.
Speaker: Um, so we're, we're at this group and, um, singing songs and stuff and, uh, not metal songs, not metal songs, church songs, worship songs.
Speaker: Um, and the lady leading be confused with Kanye West church songs.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, so I'm, we're sitting there and the lady, um, who's over the group,
Speaker: She's like, I need to pray for you.
Speaker: And she started praying.
Speaker: And then she like, during praying, she like touched my throat and started praying.
Speaker: And she wanted me to sing and I'm not a singer.
Speaker: And I was like, oh, I don't know.
Speaker: I didn't, you know, I didn't know what to do.
Speaker: She's like, I just feel like there's something you've got to do with your voice.
Speaker: There's, there's a calling on your voice.
Speaker: And I told Tiffany this a little while back.
Speaker: I was like, I don't know.
Speaker: Maybe podcasting is what I'm supposed to be doing.
Speaker: Maybe that's my calling.
Speaker: Maybe this is why I've been led to do this.
Speaker: And thus, here I am today, you know, talking to you.
Speaker: Hopefully, you know, maybe what I'm saying today will impact someone, help someone out.
Speaker: That would be great.
Speaker: I'm going to cycle back now.
Speaker: When I was in high school, when I was in my, we'll call it dark point.
Speaker: Cycle way back.
Speaker: Yeah, we'll call it my dark point.
Speaker: I did not, I just completely skipped over this because I was talking about my journey to where I'm at today.
Speaker: But this has to do with spiritual warfare.
Speaker: So in my parents' house, I would wake up and there would be this...
Speaker: black entity that would appear like over my face at night.
Speaker: And, uh, the only way I can describe it is it's a swirling,
Speaker: Black mass is the only way I can say it.
Speaker: Like a circle.
Speaker: The way I describe it to everyone is imagine a tumbleweed.
Speaker: Get that vision in your head of a tumbleweed.
Speaker: All the vines entwined together in a ball.
Speaker: And imagine that solid black but kind of undulating and twisting together.
Speaker: Kind of like on a cartoon character that's mad.
Speaker: That black cloud above your head.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: Just like that.
Speaker: That would appear over my face.
Speaker: I mean, and at first I was terrified.
Speaker: Then I got started getting mad, like, cause it happened all so, so often.
Speaker: And I would swat at it and I could tell you it went up and it disappeared in this one section of my room every night.
Speaker: So this, I guess two years ago, I was listening to the confessionals podcast.
Speaker: Um, it's a show.
Speaker: You should, you should check it out.
Speaker: It's really good.
Speaker: My friend, uh, Tony Merkel hosts it.
Speaker: But he had a lady on from Australia, and she told almost the identical story of what I experienced.
Speaker: And I had never heard anyone experience that same thing.
Speaker: Except hers was a little different.
Speaker: Hers, she said it would, you know, fly away to the corner of a room, but it would become a figure, which mine did not, that I know of.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: Even like going into that room later on in life, like before my parents passed away, it still freaked me out.
Speaker: It just gave me a bad feeling to be in there, especially by myself.
Speaker: Yeah, that's that.
Speaker: And that's why I say, you know, at the beginning of this, that I felt like things are like attracted to me.
Speaker: But I don't know if it's...
Speaker: I don't know if there is a calling on my life.
Speaker: I hope there is.
Speaker: But that could be one of the reasons why these negative spirits are attracted because there is a calling and it's trying to get me away from it.
Speaker: Does that make sense, Tiff?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So do you have any input or anything?
Speaker: I know I talked a lot.
Speaker: Sorry.
Speaker: Yeah, you did.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I won't go into all of my detail like you did because that was a lot.
Speaker: But I've also had things happen throughout my life.
Speaker: Like I mentioned, thinking that two of our kids are more sensitive.
Speaker: That's the word I'll use is just...
Speaker: being sensitive to spiritual supernatural things.
Speaker: Which makes you kind of the crazy person of the family.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Because, like, I have two brothers, and they're like, yeah, that never happened to us.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I know that you think that happened, but that never happened to us.
Speaker: So, probably the first thing I ever remember happening was I was at my grandparents' house, and I don't remember what house it was because they moved around a lot, but I remember...
Speaker: you would go up the stairway and it was against the wall.
Speaker: And now that I'm saying it, I think I remember what house it was, but, um, doesn't matter.
Speaker: That's neither here nor there, but I felt like something was following up the stairs.
Speaker: And, um, my grandmother was like, Oh honey, that's just your guardian angel.
Speaker: There's no such thing as guardian angels.
Speaker: I think there may be guardian angels.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So based on what house that was, I would have had to have been very young elementary, maybe kindergarten, first grade.
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: Anyway.
Speaker: Um...
Speaker: Flash forward to high school, college age.
Speaker: I can always, I just, I can sense things like, like a bad presence in a room or something.
Speaker: That house at the time I'm thinking of now, again, the attic, it's always the attic.
Speaker: I don't know why.
Speaker: But felt like there was a lady.
Speaker: Why is it always a lady in our attic?
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Anyway, I hated to be alone in that house.
Speaker: And I could sense something in the attic.
Speaker: We never went up in that attic, though.
Speaker: That was a rental house, and we just didn't go up there.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But in college, I went through a time of oppression, and I went to Bible college.
Speaker: And you would think that would be a place that would understand what's happening, but it was the absolute worst place to be.
Speaker: Because for the most part, they don't believe in the...
Speaker: spiritual aspect of God, which is the opposite of what you would think.
Speaker: I mean, I went to Bible college to learn more about the Bible and God and how to do ministry and spent the entire time that I was there just arguing with people because it was a different denomination and
Speaker: I do not like to have any kind of theological debate now because of that.
Speaker: Jason will try to have conversations with me and I will just completely shut down because I'm just exhausted of having those arguments over things that are not essential or things that I know that I have experienced but they're just writing off as, do you need to have a mental health assessment?
Speaker: So...
Speaker: If you want to kill your faith, go to Bible college.
Speaker: That's my little plug.
Speaker: That's not everyone's experience, but it was mine.
Speaker: It has really turned me off to any kind of small group or live group or Bible study.
Speaker: I hate, absolutely hate sitting around and listening to what people do.
Speaker: project from their own experience or opinion onto what the Bible is saying when that's not what it was written about or to or for.
Speaker: So I hate it.
Speaker: Anyway, so during college, I went through this period of oppression, and I'm not going to list everything that happened, but I could feel this dark presence in a specific corner of the room, and it was on my roommate's side of the room.
Speaker: It's got to be the corners.
Speaker: It's the corners.
Speaker: And it was by the window.
Speaker: And we had a street light outside of our window.
Speaker: So it wasn't a dark corner, but it was dark.
Speaker: And that went on for a few months.
Speaker: I had some physical health things going on that were just completely...
Speaker: out of the blue and nobody could explain why it was happening.
Speaker: Um, but one night I could feel that dog presence climb.
Speaker: I had my bed lofted as you do in college because you have young legs and can climb things.
Speaker: Um, it climbed up the bed and then on top of me onto the
Speaker: my chest area.
Speaker: Like I, some people call it sleep paralysis.
Speaker: I was not asleep.
Speaker: I was fully awake.
Speaker: Um, and I could not move.
Speaker: I couldn't scream.
Speaker: I couldn't do anything.
Speaker: So, um, yeah, that, so that happened.
Speaker: And, um, I had a friend in college that kind of similar things were happening to him and, and we had talked about it and, um, we went to a couple of different professors about it and, you know, they, they,
Speaker: thought we were crazy the only one we could get to really sort of listen to us was the missions professor understandably so because in third world countries they see more things yeah um so that's that and it really turned me off for a long time for church in general um
Speaker: I have a lot more stories, which I'm not going to tell.
Speaker: Jason wants me to, but I will not tell.
Speaker: Maybe sometime in the future, when she gets more comfortable, we'll get her to talk about it.
Speaker: But guys, also one thing that... Our cat is playing with something.
Speaker: That's not a ghost.
Speaker: That's just a cat.
Speaker: Wait, that's not our cat.
Speaker: What is that?
Speaker: I think it's maybe the kid.
Speaker: It's upstairs.
Speaker: I think it's probably a cat upstairs playing with something.
Speaker: We have three cats.
Speaker: There's only one cat in here.
Speaker: In case you didn't catch that, guys, we have three cats.
Speaker: That's the fourth time we've said that.
Speaker: Three cats.
Speaker: And a rabbit.
Speaker: And a rabbit, yeah.
Speaker: And a dog after fall break.
Speaker: Maybe, yeah.
Speaker: The kids we promised, they are holding us to that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So another thing I want to touch on here, you know, I just want to set it up.
Speaker: So just in the future, we're going to be talking about a lot of stuff that hopefully that
Speaker: people will have thought about, or, you know, maybe you go to a church and they don't discuss things like this.
Speaker: Um, also we've, we have had a lot of experiences, um,
Speaker: In church culture, we may get into that.
Speaker: Don't get me started on church culture.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We've been through... Church hurt.
Speaker: Yeah, church hurt.
Speaker: We've been through... I mean, we've helped plant churches.
Speaker: Church abuse.
Speaker: Have we had church abuse?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, we probably have.
Speaker: Maybe you haven't, but yeah.
Speaker: So we may get into some of that stuff and just, you know, what we've learned...
Speaker: By going through this.
Speaker: I know a lot of people out there probably have some of the same issues that we have when it comes to attending a church and, you know, finding out that everyone who you thought were your friends ended up being just really fake.
Speaker: And, um,
Speaker: It's just sad because we as a church body are supposed to take care of each other.
Speaker: And they talk the game, but whenever it comes down to it, when you need help, they're not there.
Speaker: And it really sucks.
Speaker: Are we going to talk about the whistle?
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: We need to talk about the whistle, guys.
Speaker: It was like the whole thing.
Speaker: Well, I mean, this is the whole thing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, this, you know, this episode is an intro to our story and who we are and what we've been going through lately.
Speaker: So let's so we had that was Shuri.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Our catch meowing now.
Speaker: Make sure she doesn't chew on the cables.
Speaker: Our cat likes to chew on cables.
Speaker: So, we had a very, very strange thing happen.
Speaker: And this could be some of the reason why we had weird things going on in our house.
Speaker: Even though some of this stuff happened before the whistle and some of this stuff happened ramped up after...
Speaker: After what we think when it came into our house.
Speaker: So let me, long story short, I'll tell you what this was and where it came from and all this.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So we have, well, we have my mother, while Tiffany's mother, she went to Africa just on a vacation, not like a mission trip or anything.
Speaker: And so she told, she,
Speaker: evidently brought back this whistle, which I had never seen before.
Speaker: I had never seen it.
Speaker: And we asked our son because she said she brought it back for our son.
Speaker: And he said that he had never seen it before.
Speaker: And she brought the girls bracelets.
Speaker: And I vaguely remember the bracelets, but we have no idea where they are.
Speaker: Yeah, we can't find these bracelets.
Speaker: Don't tell my mom.
Speaker: I guarantee you she's not going to listen to this, so.
Speaker: Let's hope.
Speaker: So, this whistle appeared on our dresser.
Speaker: I was literally.
Speaker: Like three weeks ago, maybe?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I was literally walking by, and I was like, what is this?
Speaker: I was like, Tiffany, have you seen this before?
Speaker: She's like, no, what is that?
Speaker: I was like, I think it's a whistle.
Speaker: And then first thing she does, she wants to blow it.
Speaker: I'm like, don't blow that whistle.
Speaker: What are you, crazy?
Speaker: It was a hand-carved wooden whistle with, like, it had been dyed black on the ends, and it had, um...
Speaker: burned markings.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: They might have been graved and then in dyed black to look burned, but they... I think they're burned.
Speaker: They looked burned and...
Speaker: weird.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So on the other podcast, I had talked about this and I posted pictures of it.
Speaker: And on our Facebook group, I had a lot of people write in and say, you know, tell us what they thought the whistle was.
Speaker: Okay, but back up.
Speaker: We had no idea where this whistle came from at this point.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: We didn't know where it came from at all.
Speaker: We didn't even know what it was.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It just appeared on the dresser.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So one person said, that's an African voodoo whistle.
Speaker: Do not blow it.
Speaker: I didn't blow it.
Speaker: I almost did.
Speaker: Yeah, at this point, we didn't know it came from Africa, right?
Speaker: So I'm like...
Speaker: what in the world is this?
Speaker: I talked to some people at work.
Speaker: I have some friends that are into the supernatural and they're like, take it somewhere and leave it somewhere away from your house and see if it comes back.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: We don't want to do that.
Speaker: No, we don't.
Speaker: I'm not playing with this.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: So anyways, the person on... The guy already showed up on the dresser.
Speaker: Yeah, the person on Facebook said bury it, right?
Speaker: Do not burn it.
Speaker: Do not blow it.
Speaker: Yeah, do not burn it.
Speaker: Do not blow it.
Speaker: Bury it.
Speaker: So then I said, I was thinking after they say it was a voodoo whistle from Africa.
Speaker: I was like, your mom went to Africa.
Speaker: Ask her.
Speaker: And that's how we found out that she brought it back.
Speaker: Yeah, so I texted her.
Speaker: I was like, hey, did you send this?
Speaker: Did you get this from Africa?
Speaker: Completely thinking she'd be like, no, what the heck is that?
Speaker: She's like, yeah, I got that for your son.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And OK, none of us remember it.
Speaker: And I said, well, it's a voodoo whistle.
Speaker: And she said, no, it's not.
Speaker: I got it from the children's toy section.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And for those of you.
Speaker: African children do not practice voodoo.
Speaker: I guess.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: I mean, because, you know, Ouija board is in the children's toy section in America.
Speaker: You only have to be eight and up to buy it.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: To summon spirits and demons.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Ouija board.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: It's kind of the equivalent.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I guess maybe they do.
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: Continue.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So, and another thing about that is... She had gone last summer.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's been about a year.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Which is about how long the stick legs have been around.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So, and all this, all the whistle thing, for those of you who don't know, or who may, this may be all new to you, practitioners of, let's just call it the, practitioners of the, let's call it the dark arts, I'm going to say.
Speaker: Which could be, you know, numerous things.
Speaker: They will disguise stuff as toys and just put it out there and you bring this into your home unknowing what it's going to do.
Speaker: Oh, but you can buy this whistle on Etsy.
Speaker: Can you?
Speaker: It's not engraved, but it's the exact whistle.
Speaker: It does not have the engraved marks.
Speaker: Well, that's the thing.
Speaker: That's the voodoo.
Speaker: Yeah, the voodoo is the markings.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: It's what makes it.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: I've looked up those symbols that I couldn't find.
Speaker: I found one.
Speaker: I found a couple that could be them, but it doesn't really matter.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But, yeah, so that, long story short, I took the whistle and buried it.
Speaker: Long story short.
Speaker: In an undisclosed location.
Speaker: Of course, then he gets people saying, well, you should have done this and this and this.
Speaker: And I'm like, well, you can go.
Speaker: I mean, if anyone finds this, it's their own problem.
Speaker: They shouldn't have been digging where he buried it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I buried it somewhere that I don't think anyone's going to find it.
Speaker: And if they do, oh, well.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's out of our house.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It hasn't shown back up.
Speaker: Yeah, if it shows back up, I will let you know.
Speaker: If it shows back up, we're going to call Hollywood for a movie.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So, since that's been gone at the house, have you... It feels lighter.
Speaker: Feels lighter.
Speaker: I haven't felt the stick legs, but they had been...
Speaker: Over the last three, four months, they've been pretty sporadic anyway, but I have not yet.
Speaker: Now that we're talking about it again, who knows?
Speaker: Because that's why I didn't want to record this in the house, but here we are.
Speaker: But yeah, it's kind of become a joke at work because things are going downhill at work and some of them know about the whistle, so we just started blaming the voodoo whistle on everything.
Speaker: No, literally, when I buried it, you had texted me right before I buried it.
Speaker: That I was losing my job.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But, okay.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's the voodoo whistle's fault.
Speaker: It is.
Speaker: Maybe you should have won it.
Speaker: Should have.
Speaker: Somebody might have already.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that's... Our son says he doesn't remember the whistle, but...
Speaker: She gave it to him.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And he probably blew it.
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: It's a whistle.
Speaker: And he was nine.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: He's going to blow the whistle.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, he would have been nine.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But we also have these two bracelets that came from the same vendor, most likely.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We don't know where they are and we don't know what they look like.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And they probably have the same thing going on.
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: If it came from the same vendor.
Speaker: So we got to find these bracelets.
Speaker: We're going to have to like tear the bracelets apart.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's.
Speaker: Tear the house apart.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Might want to tear the braces apart if we find them.
Speaker: And bury them in all different places around the world.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's so weird to think about that stuff.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And it's not my mom's fault if she is for some reason listening.
Speaker: It's not her fault.
Speaker: She didn't know.
Speaker: She was buying souvenirs.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, just, but one thing I've noticed since it's been gone, I don't know.
Speaker: I think so.
Speaker: I told you last night, but you were like, eh.
Speaker: It feels, so we, Tiffany and I bicker a lot anyways.
Speaker: We always have since we've been together.
Speaker: Even dating, it was like fighting like a married old couple.
Speaker: Now we are the old married couple.
Speaker: And we still do it.
Speaker: And we still do it.
Speaker: I mean, if you didn't know us, you would think we hated each other.
Speaker: Yeah, you would think we hated each other.
Speaker: We don't.
Speaker: But, I mean, that's a sign of, I think, a good relationship that we can, literally, if we get mad at each other and have a yelling argument.
Speaker: I mean, that might be why we have no friends because they don't want to be around us.
Speaker: But we'll literally, five minutes later, be fine.
Speaker: Like nothing happened.
Speaker: Well, sometimes.
Speaker: Yeah, we don't really stay mad at each other.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: We don't.
Speaker: I don't.
Speaker: You may.
Speaker: Well, I refused to record this last night.
Speaker: Yeah, but that was over something stupid, though.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: But yeah, so I think the house, there's a lot less tension in the air between us and the kids.
Speaker: But how much of that is the whistle and how much is because you think it's because the whistle?
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, I'm... The anger was... I mean, the kids are yelling less at each other.
Speaker: The kids have issues.
Speaker: The kids haven't been having dreams.
Speaker: They haven't been having dreams?
Speaker: Well, one of them hasn't been having dreams that they were having a reoccurring nightmare every night.
Speaker: The same thing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: At 420, which is not the 3 o'clock.
Speaker: Ooh, 3 o'clock, the witching hour before...
Speaker: There's a window and 420, which 420 is something else, but she doesn't know that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: 420 every night she'd wake up.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Having this reoccurring nightmare that we were going, we were essentially fleeing from somewhere and leaving our son behind.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And looking back, kind of like a Lot's wife looking back and...
Speaker: He's back there.
Speaker: He didn't turn to a pillar of salt, but... Yeah.
Speaker: Like, we're leaving him behind.
Speaker: As far as I know.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: She's not been having that since you buried the whistle.
Speaker: Yeah, I need to ask her about that to see if she's had a Lili.
Speaker: But yeah, so... Essentially, guys, that's...
Speaker: our story.
Speaker: And I think this is a good stopping point.
Speaker: Um, this gives you a good idea of what this podcast will be about.
Speaker: it's not going to be our stories constantly every week yeah i mean we may boring real quick yeah that would get real we'd have to start making stuff up yeah which we found a a voodoo doll this week where could it have come from yeah we're not we're not gonna make up stuff this podcast is not about that um but i would like um maybe to have some people on in the future
Speaker: I think it'd be cool to talk to people like some pastors or something.
Speaker: It'd be cool to talk to you about.
Speaker: Or if you're just a crazy aunt or uncle.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Aunt or uncle.
Speaker: I do have a friend that knows an awful lot about the Nephilim that I would like to get on.
Speaker: He would, he would love it.
Speaker: He like anytime he goes on podcasts, he just,
Speaker: He spits all kinds of knowledge.
Speaker: Jason knows everyone.
Speaker: I do know everyone.
Speaker: And the kids have started to pick up on this.
Speaker: It's been my struggle for 17 years now.
Speaker: Anywhere we go, he will see someone he knows.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And we have to talk.
Speaker: And I am introverted.
Speaker: And I do not talk.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And, yeah, I don't talk.
Speaker: I am now.
Speaker: Just like this past weekend, we started going to a new church, and I was talking to the worship leader about playing bass, and then the other bass player, I overheard him saying something about a band he played in, and I mentioned, oh, I was in this band.
Speaker: He's like, oh, I know these people.
Speaker: So we were like automatically had a connection, and Tim was just like, oh, here we go.
Speaker: He knows everyone.
Speaker: I do.
Speaker: Or at least I'm acquainted to it.
Speaker: I know someone.
Speaker: If I don't know you directly, I know someone you know.
Speaker: Was that six degrees of separation or Kevin Bacon?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'm not good at pop culture.
Speaker: Six, six slices of bacon.
Speaker: Um, but guys, yeah.
Speaker: So this is, this is the podcast.
Speaker: Um, hopefully you all enjoyed it and, uh, we don't have a big social media presence right now.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: But you should be able to listen to this podcast everywhere.
Speaker: If you're hearing it now, I guess you found it.
Speaker: I don't know why I'm saying this right now.
Speaker: But yeah, so we have an Instagram page.
Speaker: That's like when pastors say, if you're listening.
Speaker: Oh, I forgot.
Speaker: Never mind.
Speaker: If you're listening.
Speaker: If you're here today and you're, I don't remember.
Speaker: Never mind.
Speaker: Just cut this out.
Speaker: No, it's staying in.
Speaker: It is staying in.
Speaker: But guys, so I was going to let you know where you can find us on social media.
Speaker: So you can find us.
Speaker: Find us.
Speaker: Find us at imageoftheinvisiblepodcast, and that's on Instagram.
Speaker: That's our only place to find us right now.
Speaker: It'd be great if you guys could send us messages of encouragement.
Speaker: If anyone has any prayer requests, I would love to see those.
Speaker: It would actually help me.
Speaker: DM us.
Speaker: Yeah, DM us.
Speaker: slide into the DMs with the prayer request, not with anything else.
Speaker: So one thing, full disclosure, is I am very bad at praying.
Speaker: My prayer life is not great.
Speaker: So if, I mean, if you need prayer, that, that would actually help me out.
Speaker: Give me something to pray about and say, Hey, this person needs prayer.
Speaker: I got to do this.
Speaker: I need to do this.
Speaker: I need to remember to pray.
Speaker: So yeah, just, you know, it'd be encouragement, you know, anything to help out.
Speaker: And, you know, we, we just like to hear from you.
Speaker: Maybe you have a story and maybe you want to talk to us about your experiences.
Speaker: That would be awesome.
Speaker: But guys, I just want to thank you for listening.
Speaker: This is, like I said, brand new.
Speaker: Hopefully you guys enjoyed it.
Speaker: I think I said that like 12 times now.
Speaker: Tiffany, do you have anything to say in closing?
Speaker: We have three cats.
Speaker: We have three cats, guys.
Speaker: Just make sure you wanted to know.
Speaker: Make sure you wanted to know.
Speaker: Shuri is one of them.
Speaker: I wanted to make sure you knew.
Speaker: They were born when, what's his name?
Speaker: Chadwick Boseman.
Speaker: Yeah, when he passed away.
Speaker: They were born right around that time, and they were black.
Speaker: So Shuri looks like Shuri.
Speaker: She has white markings on her face.
Speaker: T'Challa, he's a black panther.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And, you know, completely off subject.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You were trying to wrap up.
Speaker: Sorry.
Speaker: No worries.
Speaker: You asked if I had anything to say.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: All right, guys.
Speaker: So, yeah, that's it for this week.
Speaker: Hopefully we'll see you again soon.
Speaker: Or hear you or not see you.
Speaker: This is a podcast.
Speaker: So hopefully you'll listen to us again soon.
Speaker: But, yeah, so, you know, peace out and much love to you guys.
Speaker: And God bless.