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E055: The House of Terror
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When their once open house shutters suddenly close, mysterious letters start appearing, and a mass religious burial is unearthed in their backyard, no one can think of a single person who would want to murder an entire family. But when one member is unaccounted for, most fingers point in that direction.
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Haunted House Story at Halloween
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Around Halloween, Allison talked to us about the perfect house. We both envisioned an old house with a big secluded yard, a house with lots of bedrooms and closets in just the right neighborhood. The family in that story was haunted by their perfect house. They were watched and threatened to the extent that they took a massive financial hit to escape the clutches of that home.
Myths of the Ideal Family
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Today, we're talking about the perfect family. We all have visions of what that looks like, but for many of us, our concept of the quote, perfect family, was shaped by TV shows we watched. According to an article on mentalhealth.net called The Perfect Family, there are several myths that many hold in regards to what we would consider a perfect family.
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One, healthy families are made up of parents who do not quarrel. Two, siblings and healthy families are always cooperative with their parents and willing to help one another. Three, healthy families are harmonious and without conflict.
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Four, parents have control over their children, including where they go and what they do. Five, in a healthy family, the father goes to work and the mother remains at home to raise the children. Six, everyone lives in nuclear families. A nuclear family is made up of a father, mother, and children. Many of the myths of the nuclear family were a result of post-World War II life in America.
00:03:10
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The perfect nuclear family was expected to live in the suburbs, in homes that were neatly kept and with lovely neighbors. The very funny and entertaining Dick Van Dyke Show was an example of this family life. On the Dick Van Dyke Show, the father worked in Manhattan, while the wife and mother, played by Mary Tyler Moore, was at home happily tending to the chores of raising her children, shopping, cooking, and keeping the house. Even Lucy, from the comedy I Love Lucy, fit this same paradigm.
00:03:37
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Ricky the husband and professional entertainer worked and was responsible. He was a great member of society while Lucy was a scatterbrained red-headed wife who always got into trouble. Ultimately, Lucy and Ricky, who began their married life living in Manhattan, would move to the inevitable suburbs.
00:03:56
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But what shows like I Love Lucy didn't tell its viewers was the fact that Ricky and Lucy, who were actually married, were very unhappy and that their marriage would end in divorce. What the Dick Van Dyke show didn't portray is that all couples argue and that all families experience conflict. From the outside, we all know a family that we would categorize as perfect.
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They seem to have it all.
The Dupont-De Ligonnes Family Mystery
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Dad and mom are happy, they have nice things, their kids go to private school, they take nice vacations, and they live in a beautiful home. But most of those perfect families crumble when we take a look inside. Our family today seem to have everything. They were from noble descent, their kids attended private school, dad traveled with business, and mom worked at a local Catholic school. But they had skeletons in their closets too.
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When their once open house shutters suddenly close, mysterious letters start appearing and a mass religious burial is unearthed in their backyard. No one can think of a single person who would want to murder an entire family. But when one member is unaccounted for, most fingers point in that direction. This is the story of the House of Terror.
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So.
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Welcome to Coffee and Cases where we like our coffee hot and our cases cold. My name is Allison Williams. And my name is Maggie Dameron. We will be telling stories each week in the hopes that someone out there with any information concerning the cases will take those tips to law enforcement. So justice and closure can be brought to these families.
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With each case, we encourage you to continue in the conversation on our Facebook page, Coffee and Cases podcast, because as we all know, conversation helps to keep the missing person in the public consciousness, helping keep their memories alive. So sit back, sip your coffee, and listen to what's brewing this week.
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It is that time again, Sleuth Hounds, when we come to you asking for ratings on Apple Podcast. With Thanksgiving last week, we were all so wrapped up in family time, and you may have forgotten to rate the show on your holiday travels.
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I totally understand that. Maggie understands that we were having quality time with our families too but never fear because you have time right now. Just hit pause on this show and go ahead and give us that five-star rating. We are so close to a bonus episode that we really feel this week could be the week that we hit our goal.
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Keep sharing, Sleuthhounds, and pretty soon, you will stop hearing us beg each week for these ratings, we promise. Just make sure that you follow us on social media, Coffee and Case's podcast on Facebook, or at Coffee Case's podcast on Instagram, or as always, listen in each week to know when that bonus episode will air. Now, let's really get into our show.
Introducing the Family Members
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So, Allison, I feel like anytime we highlight a family massacre, it leaves all of us feeling just a little bit heavier.
00:07:25
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Oh, absolutely. Like one death is hard, but then when you think of a whole family gone, I, yeah, that's a heavy one. Yeah. It's hard to like comprehend that type of evil. So Sleuthhounds today's episode is heavy. We do talk briefly about suicide and just some other just strange and kind of morbid things in today's episode. Um, before we get too deep into the details of today,
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I do wanna give just a short background story for each of the members of the family we're gonna talk about today. And since I love pronouncing names so much, I thought it would be super easy to do a French episode. So. Not. Yeah. So all of these names are French and I'm gonna try to not butcher them, but in America we say obviously things different than they're pronounced in French. So bear with me.
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So first we have Father, we would say Xavier.
00:08:27
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But when we looked, I don't know. It's like Xavier. Yeah. Like Xavier, I believe is how it was pronounced when I listened to a couple of different videos. And this is actually on, um, one of the episodes on Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix. And so I was like, Oh, that'll help me learn to pronounce it. No, because the whole thing's in subtitles and they're all speaking French. I was like, no. I was wrong. So he was born.
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in 1961 in Versailles, or if you're from Kentucky, Versailles. We have a city for sales, yes. So this is what we're talking about. We literally have a city for sales. And it has a castle. It does have a castle, but obviously this is Versailles. Yes.
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So as I mentioned in the intro, Xavier was an heir to a count title upon his father, Bernard Hubert's death. And in an article that appeared on Grinch.com, Xavier took great pride in his noble heritage saying, quote, and I thought this was like,
00:09:26
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Kind of weird, but he said, I think I've got a superiority complex. You could call it that. I belong to a group of people who are intelligent, determined, balanced, and in good moral and physical health. Such people are rare compared to the masses.
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That's a little pompous. Yeah, you're a little braggadocious. Yeah. So as a young man, he was very adventurous and he longed for a life traveling and experiencing the joys that nobility could bring. I mean, I get that. Yeah. I mean, I'd like to have the expendable cash that I could just go wherever I want. I'd be like, do I get a crown? Right.
00:10:06
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I think the answer is no, but I'll still wear one. He did receive an engineering degree from a college that there's no way under God's green earth I would be able to pronounce correctly, so you can Google that if you're interested. And him and his wife actually dated around the time, I think he was like 20-ish around that time, but he actually broke up with her so he could go live like this adventurous lifestyle.
Family Successes and Struggles
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See, I don't know then, so obviously she took him back. I feel like that would hurt me too much. I'd be like, oh, so you're choosing? Well, the way in which she took him, when you find out the details of how she took him back, it might make a little bit more sense. So Zawieh was a self-proclaimed businessman, but he wasn't very successful in any of those business ventures. So kind of ironic since he has a superiority complex.
00:10:59
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He created several businesses that had limited access. Most of them catered to traveling salespeople and restaurant guests. I couldn't really find anything too specific on any of his businesses. In one article that I read, apparently he had a business called
00:11:21
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S-E-L-R-E-F and it was like, had just a really ambiguously defined purpose. Everything was like super private. The only thing I could really find out is that in 2003 he hired six sales people for this and then they were shortly released after they're hired.
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So that's it. Maybe that's why they didn't succeed. Yeah, it's vague. Nobody knows what it is. So as I mentioned, Xavier does love adventure, but he returns home to Versailles. And when he does, he finds his old girlfriend in America. I want to call her Agnes, but that's, I think they pronounce it Agnes. I think so. In the video that we watched or several of the videos that I watched.
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And so to his surprise, she is unwed and pregnant when he returns, which during that time and in that circle would have been virtually unheard of. So does she come from money too? She is not like, I don't think that she was like nobility, but I don't think that she was like,
00:12:26
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poor. Right. Okay. So what's even more unheard of, and they talk a lot about this in the Netflix series show and in all the articles that I read, was that Xavier marries her anyway and gives the baby his last name.
00:12:42
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Okay, well now I'm like a zombie. I think that's a really, yes, that is a very noble thing to do. Yeah, so they actually spent the 1990s traveling around France. They did not want to stay in Versailles, which... Okay, so she kind of fits into his traveling lifestyle too. Yeah, she liked it too. Okay.
00:13:04
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In the early 2000s they actually attempt to immigrate to Florida and their attempt is unsuccessful. I didn't really read about why it's unsuccessful but that was super surprising to me. You know, I mean I don't know if this is the case with them but I know that like when Prince Harry decided to move to
00:13:26
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I love them. I know. But you know, I think, didn't he have to give up his title? I'm pretty sure, yeah. And so I'm wondering if maybe the same would have been true and he just wasn't willing to give the title up. Maybe. I could see that. I mean, he is very prideful of that title. Right, right. They actually lose a lot of money trying to immigrate to America. They eventually settle down in what appeared to be a happy, quiet life in the town of Knott.
00:13:56
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Which is not how I would pronounce that if I saw it on paper, but no it looks like
00:14:02
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Nantes. Yes. But it's not. So Agnes was described as extremely religious. She worked at a Catholic school and she regularly attended Mass. She would go on to have four children total. So she had the one by another man and then three by Xavier. Okay. So she had three boys and a girl. The eldest son was author and remember that this is not the biological child of Xavier. So therefore he is not
00:14:31
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heir to the nobility title. Okay, so he takes the name so that, you know, obviously it looks good on paper, but he can't take the title. Correct. Okay. But on the Unsolved Mysteries episode, all of the people that spoke that were family friends said that he never made a difference with his children, that they were all treated the same, which I think is great. Yes, I do too.
00:15:00
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So, Arthur was a really well-rounded kid, all their kids were. He was actually pursuing a degree at a private Catholic college. Next up is Thomas, and he was 18, and this is the oldest biological son, so obviously this is the kid that would take the title eventually. He was described as shy and sweet, and he was, everybody said, obsessed with music.
00:15:27
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So, and that's actually, I'm pretty sure what he was going to college for was music. He was also going to a private college institution.
00:15:38
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So according to the DuPont-Day-Ligon family, we're beloved members of the community, which was a really interesting article that I read online. Anne was 16 and she was the only girl of the four. She was a model for a mail order catalog, which I thought was cool. I mean, she was considered to be the most studious of the four children. Which is saying something because the others were, I mean, they're all studious. And she attended a private Catholic school.
00:16:08
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Okay. And she is like, obviously if you're modeling in a catalog you're pretty, but she's like very pretty and like you can tell from her pictures kind of had like an infectious smile and she I just feel like she would be somebody that would light up a room. Yeah. That type of smile. So the youngest child and Allison likes to say his name. Benoit. Is Benoit.
00:16:32
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And he was 13 and he attended the same private school as his sister and like his older brother Thomas was apparently obsessed with music. He especially loved playing the drums. Okay. So by most accounts the family lived a happy normal life and as you can tell from their bios they would have fit what we would consider a perfect family from the outside. Oh yeah. I mean life was good for them. The kids all went to either a private high school or a private university.
00:17:00
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They were popular people within the community. They lived in like a peaceful upper-class suburban neighborhood in France. So, I mean, they seem to have it all. Yeah, like the kids know what they like to do with what they want to do with their lives. Like I picture them like in fencing, like they fence and they play the violin and, you know, lots of nice cultural things. Macarons and baguettes. Escargot.
00:17:24
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Yeah, so that is until April of 2011 when everything just kind of crap hits the fan, basically. So apparently not all is well. The DuPont-Dalagon family was actually in financial ruin.
00:17:45
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which I think you wouldn't suspect with a family of nobility, but they were. And as we talked about earlier, all of those business adventures, they had fallen through. The family lost money on that unsuccessful immigration attempt to America. And as you could say, we have a saying called keeping up with the Joneses, which means you're trying to...
00:18:04
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Like, have everything that your neighbor has. You can't let somebody one-up you. You have to have better. And I think that was kind of the lifestyle they lived, and that took a big financial toll on them. And they were, and Zawie in particular, was feeling the pressure because he was a very stereotypical, like, nuclear family dad.
00:18:23
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Like he wanted to be in charge of the finances and he made the major decisions for the family and everybody else just kind of did what he told him to do. And I feel like the way he felt about his title because he was so proud of it, you would never want to let it be known that you didn't have the money to back the title. Yeah, and that's... I kind of get that feeling. That's significant.
Discovery of the Family Tragedy
00:18:48
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towards the end of today's episode. So as a result of those financial strains, the marriage between the two was kind of rocky. In the article that I cited earlier, Agnes actually states, and I believe this was on a blog, she just states how unhappy she is. She says, I'm liking and everything. Tenderness, love, mutual friends, sex, everything. She goes on to write, I have a husband who's very old fashioned in his way of being in the family. The father's the head.
00:19:17
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He gives an order, we execute it without saying to question or understand, period. So even though from the outside they seem to have it all together, like when we take a closer look inside, they're actually kind of falling apart. She's feeling very unfulfilled. Yeah, like I felt bad for her when I read that. It's almost like she doesn't have a voice and so maybe that's why she feels like she has to voice it somewhere else, like get it out. Yeah, I feel like you would have to.
00:19:46
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So all of those hurdles were just too much to deal with. On April 21st, 2011, police find Xavier's wife, his children, and his two family dogs buried under the back porch of their ranch home. But not Xavier? Correct. Oh, I would, I know the assumption I'm already making in my head. Correct. And especially because they're under the porch.
00:20:14
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Oh, there's even more. And like, when I was writing this, I really did try to like, I mean, I feel like we do each time we go in with like an open mind and because these most of these cases are unsolved. And I mean, a lot of them, especially in this case, you think you know who it is, but just like we did talked about last was it last week, just because like, you can't prove one thing one way or the other doesn't make that person necessarily guilty. Right.
00:20:38
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Just because we can't prove they're innocent doesn't mean that they're guilty. Correct. And so I tried to keep that in mind, but... And I have to admit, I was thinking about this today. I was thinking about the John Bonet Ramsey case and I was thinking how horrible that must be if you are innocent to be
00:20:57
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accused by everybody that you are guilty of your family member's death. And that nobody would believe your innocence. I don't think I could handle that because I hate, like I can remember even in elementary school, if like a kid thought I was lying about something, like I hated that. Like I'm telling you the truth, I want you to believe me. So I couldn't stand that. So I did try to, you know, keep an open mind, but the facts. It is hard to do.
00:21:25
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So the exact timeline is a little unclear on the murders. So I'm gonna try to piece it together, but some places had like a day difference. You know, like some things said this happened on the 3rd, some said it happened on the 4th. Like that kind of thing. You will get the general tips. Right.
00:21:42
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And I think it's most important that we go back to January of 2011, three months before that small town of Naut is turned upside down. Zawie's father died that January, and as sad as it might sound, Zawie was sure that this wasn't answered prayer.
00:21:57
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because remember his family is in deep financial ruin. In fact, he was so desperate for money that I read he borrowed a large son from a mistress that he had, claiming that he needed to pay his debts. And I can't remember the exact time when he borrowed from her, but. Just when I thought Xavier was okay when, you know, he's like adopting Arthur into his family, now I'm finding out he has a mistress and that he rules his family with an iron fist and they can't question him.
00:22:26
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correct. Just keep listening. So, when his father passed away in January, he was certain that he would not only inherit that count title, but the financial freedom that went along with it. And according to the Grunge article, which was a fantastic article, Xavier did not find anything of value after going through his father's positions. In fact, his father
00:22:51
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was on the poverty line when he died. How ironic. He was in a very small apartment, basically could hardly get food enough to eat pretty much, and he was like really ill. So he found nothing. The only thing he inherited from his father was a .22 rifle.
00:23:12
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Which he began using in earnest despite never showing any type of interest in guns at any other time in his life. That is bizarre. Red flag number one. Like it's just weird. That's bizarre. So like I just feel like when your parents pass away like that's not like that would not be the thing that I would want to take is
00:23:36
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Yeah, a rifle. Right. But I mean, you know, to each their own. So the following months, Xavier obtains his gun license and begins frequenting a shooting range just outside of his town and he even brings his sons along. Maybe he was thinking like this will be family bonding.
00:23:56
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Yeah, or like a new hobby. Like maybe you need something to distract you from like the financial situation and you know your crumbling marriage. Right. I mean everybody needs a new hobby. I prefer complaining about the weight I gain from all the food that I eat, but to eat their own. Me too.
00:24:16
Speaker
That's a good hobby. I eat some Dunkin Donuts or Krispy Kreme Donuts and then let's talk about how we need to do an exercise video which Maggie and I literally just said it out yesterday. P.S. I'm doing an exercise challenge on Facebook and my legs like when I sit down and stuff like
00:24:38
Speaker
in a seat or whatever, they hurt so bad. And I had to do a plank and I was like wobbling within the first like... Oh my gosh. As soon as I got this bad. I have the Dillian Michaels video. The video is like 54 minutes long. I'm working my way back into it right now. I'm at like 30 minutes that I can do and I'm the same way. I'm doing some stretches and my legs are shaking. Yeah.
00:24:59
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doing it. So okay, he has a new hobby. Right. Good for him. Yeah. But what is strange is that he begins asking super weird questions to the people working at the gun range. So he begins asking about the use of silencers. Red flag number two. Yeah, because why would you need a silencer? Why would you need that?
Xavier's Suspicious Actions and Disappearance
00:25:22
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Right. And I mean, like... To me, I only think of, like, murders in this case. Yeah. That's the only thing that I think of with a silencer. Exactly. And his house was, like, you know, a stereotypical French home. It's not like in America where, you know, we all have these, like... You said he's in a quiet suburb. Yeah. And it's not like for us where we have, like, you know, yards that separate our houses. They have people on either side of them or in the house that they had. So, like,
00:25:50
Speaker
A silencer would come in useful if you're going to murder your entire family. We'll see. So he actually buys one. We have record of that in March. Remember that his family is murdered in April. And he actually brings it to the gun range to practice with.
00:26:09
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Okay. He had other strange purchases. In fact, he followed that purchase with an even more ominous shopping spree on April 2nd. So like a week, a little more than a week before everything happens to his family. Didn't you say April 11th? It's the 21st when they're found dead.
00:26:32
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Oh, okay. Yeah. 21st. Okay. So we're still three weeks out. Yeah. So he purchases cement. Oh no. Chalk lime, bullets, cleaning supplies, garbage bags, a spade, and a trolley, according to the BBC.
00:26:49
Speaker
I think so, yeah. Okay, so unless he is going to like build a cement patio and practice his shooting range and help his wife clean the home, which I don't think he would do, no, then I don't really get how all of these things go together other than it sounding like he's going to
00:27:13
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go on a murder spree. Yeah and like I'm not a handy person. I rely heavily on Anthony and our home warranty to fix things that break in my home and like I know that's bad but I can tell you with like certainty there are not many household projects that call for chalk lime. No.
00:27:33
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Like, even when I asked Anthony when I was riding it, I was like, you know, what could you use that for? Like, they use it in the engineer world when they are needing to pour concrete and, like, dry a certain area. And I'm like, okay, but, like, if I had to buy that for my house, and he's like, I don't know one off the top of my head. So...
00:27:52
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In the days leading up to the family massacre, Xavier starts closing out several large debts. He pays off his kids' tuition to their private school. See, now that detail makes me wonder if he did do it, because why would he pay off, if he knows that he is going to get rid of his family, why would he pay off their tuition?
00:28:19
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I think it's almost kind of like, well, it'll make sense. So he begins packing his car as if the family is going to move. That's weird. He closes out all bank accounts in the DuPont-Dalagon family name. That's weird. He even lets the lease on their house expire. Also weird. Neighbors recall seeing a note taped to the door that read, please return all mail to sender. Thank you. So again, he is, whatever is going on,
00:28:47
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he's gonna leave. Yeah, after. Yeah. Like that's clear. Yes. So on April 3rd, the family is seen going to the movies or the cinema and out to dinner. When the family gets home that night, Xavier leaves a bizarre voicemail on his sister's answering machine. And surprisingly enough, because
00:29:10
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in my teacher mind anytime that I use Wikipedia like I cringe a little but they actually had a very well laid out timeline and this is where I found
00:29:21
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the voicemail that he leaves for his sister. Okay. And he said, quote, we spent our Sunday evening in the cinema together. Then in a restaurant and we just got back. I'm calling to ask if it's too late to speak with you on the phone and now I see it's gone to voicemail. But I was surprised. You spoke to me about Bertram who's ready for his flight. Huh. But
00:29:43
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I thought he'd only just arrived, so I was a bit surprised. Anyway, sending you my love. If it's not too late, call me back or send me a text and I'll call you. Okay, I'm gonna put the kids to bed. Say hi to everyone. See you soon. Maybe. End quote. Maybe. Yeah. See you soon. Maybe. Maybe.
00:30:07
Speaker
Yeah. Weird, isn't it? That is odd. Yeah. And this message was actually kept private until September of 2019 and it's finally released. So I just think that that's just such a weird message. Right.
00:30:24
Speaker
I mean, maybe she canceled on him a lot, or he canceled on hers. So he was like, see you soon. If I don't find better plans. And it would be like the thing where you're not kind of winked. Maybe. Maybe. So on April the 4th, Anne and Benoit are not at school, presumably ill.
00:30:48
Speaker
Okay, so their friends get concerned and they hear through the grapevine, so to speak, that the family is relocating to Australia because Xavier took a job there and so they're having to relocate.
00:31:02
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I guess if that were true, that would explain why he's packing up their house and saying return all mail to sender, see you soon maybe. Yeah, paying off their tuition and that kind of stuff. Okay. So the friends are naturally hurt because I would be too if my friend moved and did not tell me. Oh yeah. So they try to reach them because remember they're teens. They're like, what were they, 16 and 13? So yeah, they're going to be upset. So the friends tried calling them, texting them, messaging them online and all those attempts go unanswered.
00:31:32
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So by this time, Thomas, so the first born biological son of Xavier, is back at school, but he is suddenly called home due to a family emergency. So he arrives back home on April 4th when Xavier phones him, asking him to return home because his mother was involved in a cycling accident. And this is the same day that Anna and Benoit are not at school? Yes.
00:32:02
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Yeah, and it gets even more kind of like... Is there any proof that she was involved in a cycling accident or is he saying it's one of those things where like it wasn't bad enough that she's in a hospital or something but she's hurt and I'd prefer for you to be home kind of thing? No, I think the way I kind of took it was that it was serious and that she was in the hospital and he needed to come home.
00:32:27
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Oh, so like urgent. Yeah. Get here now. Yeah. Okay. Because he actually is at a friend's home and he quickly eats with his friend and then leaves and takes the train home at 10 p.m. So it's not like, well, I'll come in the next day. Gotcha. Like I'm coming in now. Right. Urgent. So the following day that friend tries to reach Thomas but only receives like these really weird brief text message replies like, I'm not coming over. I'm eel. I'm really eel. I'm not coming to class.
00:32:54
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And so two days after Thomas's departure, his friend receives a final text that says, I'm out of battery. My dad's looking for a new charger for me. And this is the last time Thomas's friends heard from him or anyone else in the family. Again, that seems bizarre. It's very easy to find chargers for phones. Yeah. And I feel like, like the way
00:33:21
Speaker
I feel like there's generational differences in how you send a text message. Like I can tell a huge difference in our family group message how Anthony and I text compared to how his parents text compared to how his sister texts. And I feel like I'm not coming to class, I'm really ill. It's just a very strange way for an 18 year old to say like, I'm sick, I'm not coming to class. Or like,
00:33:47
Speaker
I'm out of battery. My dad's looking for a new charger for me. Just doesn't seem like it would come out of the mouth of an 18 year old.
00:33:55
Speaker
I mean, I don't know. Also, if you're out of battery, how you send in that text message. Anyway. Right. Or why wouldn't you just call and be like, hey, my phone's about to die. Yeah, I'm fine. Right. Just wanted to let you know I'm OK. I'm going to try to find another charger. Yeah. Whatever. And if they all have phones, it wouldn't be that hard to find a charger. Right. I would think. Right. Because most people, families have the same style of cell phone.
00:34:21
Speaker
So Pauline, Thomas's ex-girlfriend and classmate, remembers him as a light-hearted, cheerful, and happy guy, which I think is adorable. So the father and son were seen eating out at a local restaurant when he gets back from school, but witnesses say that they don't recall much conversation going on, and that by the end of the meal, Thomas looked ill. That's weird. Which, again... Poison?
00:34:51
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Maybe. Could that be why all the kids are ill?
00:34:56
Speaker
Maybe. So neighbors also claim, and this is sad, that on the 9th of the 4th and the 5th, they could hear the Dupont-Dalagon family dogs howling. But then after the 9th of the 5th, there's complete silence. Even when Arthur's girlfriend shows up on the 6th because she's not heard up from him and she's concerned, she shows up and she knocks on the door. No dogs barking answer her knock and no one comes to the door to let her in.
00:35:26
Speaker
So the next few days are kind of a little sketchy to put together, but we do know that someone sent a few emails from the family computer because IP addresses were traced and they were messages like, no need to worry about us. We're fine. We'll contact you with more details later. Just like to have family and friends. So after the sixth, so the sixth pretty much from
00:35:54
Speaker
Well, I guess the sixth on, nobody hears anything. And it's really the night of the fourth, right? After they're seen out at a restaurant that people don't see any of the family. So the fourth is the last time that we for sure see the wife and three of the kids. The fifth is the last night that we see Thomas. And hear the dogs. And hear the dogs, yes.
00:36:19
Speaker
Okay. So it's really like, well, I guess it technically would be the third is the last day that we see the family, but it's like late on the third, like night time. Cause in my head I was like, okay, well maybe, you know, the way
00:36:35
Speaker
Xavier assumed that his father had money and my head, I'm trying to play the devil's head. And I was thinking maybe the way he assumed his father had money and he was hoping to get it to get himself out of financial ruin, maybe because of his title and the lifestyle that they lived, which was living out of their means because they were struggling financially. I was like, maybe somebody kidnapped Xavier and they were like, we're not letting you go until you give us money.
00:37:04
Speaker
so there are theories very similar to that um that his family holds on to and i talk about um just a couple of the theories at the very end but there are people who think that like there were people out to get the dupont de legone family and that
00:37:21
Speaker
is why they claim they disappeared. Right. Though it is problematic to me those emails that are sent from the IP address at their home because if somebody had him and I feel like they would say, hey, if you want him back, you've got to pay us all this money. I don't think that they would email the rest of the family and be like, we're fine. We're okay. Don't worry. Yeah. That seems odd.
00:37:44
Speaker
So on April 11th, so we have the strange emails, and then on April 11th, weird letters start appearing. So according to that Grudge article, Zawieh and Agnes' relatives receive typed letters, supposedly from Zawieh, although they're unsigned, and have like grammatical errors, which would have been very uncharacteristic for him.
00:38:10
Speaker
So in these strange four-page letters, four-page letters, Sauvier explained to the family that he was a covert agent secretly, secretly working as a member of the United States Drug Enforcement Administration. And he claimed that they were being moved to America to be placed in the witness protection program because they were going to infiltrate a drug ring.
00:38:35
Speaker
and that they would not be able to remain in contact. His children would be unable to access social media for an indeterminate amount of time. The letters go on to give detailed instructions about what they should do with the family's remaining possessions, including which belongings were to be taken to the dump, which could be given away and which could be sold.
00:38:57
Speaker
I feel like, though, that kind of defeats the purpose of the Witness Protection Program, to tell people that you're in the Witness Protection Program. It's like, shh, don't tell anyone. Even though here's a typed letter that I'm sending, so there's physical evidence. Yeah, but my family is in the Witness Protection Program. Yes.
00:39:15
Speaker
So in that same letter, he also specified that his car had been given to a family friend. A detail that we would later learn is a lie because police find it abandoned. And then like the most incriminating part is like towards the middle of the letter when he tells the family, like, stay away from the rebel under the back, Terris.
00:39:45
Speaker
The rebel he just created with the cement that he bought, you mean? Immediately, if I had received this letter, I would be like, something's under the rebel under the terrorist. Exactly. This letter also encourages the family members to keep up the story that the DuPont-Dalagon family had relocated to Australia for business because they say, or he said, that was the quote, official version of the story.
00:40:10
Speaker
So family members are not the only ones that get weird letters. So Ann and Benoit's school received a letter signed by Xavier stating that they would be leaving the school immediately because the family was moving to Australia due to quote, urgent professional changes.
00:40:31
Speaker
The Catholic school where his wife worked also received a resignation letter supposedly signed about her stating that same reason for leaving. But when the headmaster called to verify things with her, no one picked up. Because she's already in the rubble. Yeah, because she's under the terrace.
00:40:47
Speaker
So it's on that same day, April 11th, that the neighbors began noticing, like, odd things too. They noticed that the shutters on the DuPont day they go on family home have remained closed for several times. And in the Netflix episode that I watched, their neighbor said that was super weird, that even when they went on vacation, they left, like, the shutters open. And so it was just, that really stood out to her. It's like you're trying to hide something. So she actually contacts police. Good for her.
00:41:17
Speaker
Agnese's family contact the police as well because they just are not fooled by these letters because they say that even if she was going in some type of like witness protection program that she would have at least like
00:41:31
Speaker
been able to do something that she could see them to say goodbye that she wouldn't just send a letter and be like peace I'm moving right see you later that makes sense so after receiving those strange letters you know like I said they just insist that she would not have just up and left and that they they continue to push for someone to go investigate the home because it's just not sitting well with them
00:41:54
Speaker
And I think that's good because you know what? We talk about this all the time. We talked about it last week. You mentioned it Maggie and you were like, you know, we need to stop thinking somebody else is going to take care of a problem. Or if you listen to your gut, if your gut tells you to follow up on something or something isn't right, then do it. Follow up on it. Exactly. Because Maggie and I were in a situation
00:42:20
Speaker
This was just a couple of years ago where there was a woman who was being terrorized on Facebook By a man who was making racial slurs against her children and she contacted her local police in New Jersey and there wasn't really anything that they could do about it because the the person who was making the comments was from Kentucky and so she just
00:42:46
Speaker
couldn't her gut was telling her not to let it go. And she called Kentucky law enforcement who had the same gut feeling followed up on it. And that individual actually had a detailed plan in his home for an attack upcoming on our school. Yeah, he was pulling out of his driveway with a bullet proof vest on and the attack in the back of his car.
00:43:09
Speaker
And that could have easily happened and us been involved in that situation had she not trusted her gut. And so I very much believe that you will feel when something is wrong. Definitely. And I think you should follow that, like you said. Just like her family did and didn't take no for an answer. Yeah, so they're pushing. Yeah, they are very pushy about it, which I think, like you said, they needed to be. And so finally police visit the home.
00:43:39
Speaker
in total visit the home six times. That's a lot. Before they find something. And what they find on the 13th is very surprising because they find absolutely nothing on the 13th. They say that it looks like the family just up and moved. You know, their pictures are gone off the wall. So they took like things that are important to them, that kind of thing. And it just looks like they have moved, like they said they were.
00:44:08
Speaker
Well, and he did pack the car. Right. Which, when car
00:44:14
Speaker
would not have been enough to fit. No, a whole family's worth of stuff. Yeah, the whole family plus all their stuff. Right.
Unraveling the Family's Fate
00:44:20
Speaker
No. So meanwhile, during this time, we know that Xavier is running around France. He leaves a huge paper trail using debit cards, being seen on surveillance cameras, signing receipts, which I guess at this point, why wouldn't he? Because we would assume his family's with him.
00:44:42
Speaker
because we don't know better. That is completely bizarre to me though because if again number one it just proves that the whole letter and whatever it said is false they're not in the witness protection program.
00:44:58
Speaker
because otherwise he wouldn't be visibly seen traveling everywhere around France and if he is visibly seen, meaning it's safe for him, then why wouldn't it have been safe for the rest of his family and where are they?
00:45:13
Speaker
right and we like it's not like they go to the house on the 13th and then they immediately start like kind of questioning where Zawie is it's like several days later before and i mention it again so it'll be repetitive but it's like several days later before they're like you know that purchase of cement and like chalk line that's really weird maybe we should like start looking into him and then that's when they realize that he has been um since the 11th
00:45:44
Speaker
come to all over France kind of revisiting some of his favorite like younger hotspots.
00:45:51
Speaker
So on the 14th, Xavier is caught on camera for the last time. And it's almost like he deliberately faces the camera and then walks off into like a mountainous region. And he has like a bag and like a magazine, I believe. And he just like walks away. And that's the last time we see him. Like he's leaving the world behind. Yes. So meanwhile, police do several more investigations of the home. And finally, like I said, on the 19th,
00:46:19
Speaker
So that's several days later. They start looking into all those weird purchases that he made. They find them suspicious, duh. You're right. And they return back home on the 21st for their final investigation. So we're now April 21st. And that's, it is then that visit that police find the body of the mom and the four DuPont-Dalagon children. So there are actually two graves. So one grave contains Agnes and Arthur and Benoit.
00:46:48
Speaker
and the other contains Thomas and he was buried separately and they were all underneath the terrace in the back garden. So in the rubble that he said to stay away from. Yes. But why is Thomas separate? Well I'll get to that.
00:47:03
Speaker
so they're all wrapped in blankets or sleeping bags which again says personal right because you're covering their face right we know that from the cases we've done yep and it's kind of weird because there are religious relics buried with them then and it almost looked like someone held like a catholic mass like burial ceremony that's creepy which is super just
00:47:27
Speaker
And again, to me, I think that points to somebody that would have been personally connected to them. Yeah, because if this were like massacre, then they would not be wrapped up. There would not be religious religion with them. Right. So by this time, Sleuthhounds, it has been almost a full three weeks since the children and the mother have last been seen.
00:47:54
Speaker
So the next day on the 22nd, an autopsy was performed on the bodies and the autopsy revealed that, and you mentioned this earlier, Allison, all three of the children, or that, all of the children, excuse me, so all four of them, had been drugged using sleeping pills.
00:48:11
Speaker
And that they have been shot twice in the back of the head with a 22 caliber rifle. Oh my gosh. And who just got a 22 caliber rifle and has been practicing with it? With a silencer. Xavier. Yeah. With a silencer. And that, I don't know. It's kind of like, you know, last week when we were talking about like that detail of the girls being found face down that really hit me. The fact that they were shot twice.
00:48:36
Speaker
twice? I don't I don't know that just I mean obviously I don't know if that seems silly but like being shot at all is horrific. Yeah but to do it twice. Right. Yeah so what is kind of weird um Agnese had also been shot twice but she had not been drugged. Oh. Um but investigators say that she used the sleep apnea machine to help her sleep and so they think that she was actually killed in her sleep.
00:49:05
Speaker
but she was still shot twice. I guess the second one just to make sure. But they think that they died like in that night going into the fourth because her sleep apnea machine stopped. And what's super weird is despite the fact that there are five murders in this house, there's no blood in this home. But he did buy cleaning supplies. Yeah. So for once in his life he cleaned and it's to clean up this horrific thing he did. Yes.
00:49:34
Speaker
So even more horrific is the fact that the family's two Labradors, who remember were last heard barking on the night of the fifth, were also shot and buried.
00:49:46
Speaker
So you ask why Thomas was in a different grade. Yeah, that seemed odd to me. So remember that we see Thomas with his dad. What was that, like the fifth? Oh, yeah. And Thomas looked ill. Yeah. So like, I'm wondering, okay, so obviously we know by that fact, we would assume that he killed Thomas after the other three kids and the mom.
00:50:08
Speaker
and that they were already buried. And that's why Thomas is in a separate grave. Do you think Thomas is dead? Or is he still playing the charade like your mom's in the hospital because she had this accident. You can't go see her. I'm thinking that's what happens. But you need to be here just in case. Right. So what was his excuse for the other kids though?
00:50:28
Speaker
I don't know unless he said, husband was 13. Right. But you know, Arthur was in college, right? So maybe he thought he was still away and hadn't made it home yet or something. And maybe the other two, maybe the dad said like, they're at a friend's house. Right. Yeah. They're too worried. I just wanted them to stay, but I wanted you to be here or.
00:50:51
Speaker
something I yeah I don't know I don't think he would have unless that's what why he looked ill because he knew yeah or maybe he had been drugged at that restaurant yeah I don't know so
00:51:06
Speaker
people on the net and this makes sense to me too said that they think why he killed thomas last would have been because he would have been very hesitant about killing thomas because think about how prideful he was and the fact that his family was you know from nobility and with him if he did kill thomas that's the end of their line that's the end of their lineages so like that title would fall away and so a lot of people think he
00:51:35
Speaker
killed him last because he was hesitant to actually go through with it that far. And maybe that's why he got his own grave instead of like a mass grave. Yeah and I also think he probably had already buried the others by that time. So as I mentioned earlier police are able to track where Xavier has been during those weeks and he actually lived in the home until the 11th. Oh my gosh. Even though everyone in his family were dead by the 5th.
00:52:02
Speaker
So almost a week. Yeah, because people see him out and about. That's when he's like packing the car up and like, yeah.
00:52:10
Speaker
Yeah. Wow. So since the last time we see Xavier or have a record of any like monetary transactions that he did was on the 14th, many people assume that he went into the mountains and committed suicide. I mean, you know, this is very common for people who massacre their entire families. I know I've talked about that. I think in a previous episode, except most of the time they do it like right after they don't wait weeks.
00:52:39
Speaker
and then do that. But a lot of people are not convinced that he committed suicide. They have never found a body and that has fed some very wild theories surrounding the case. So did he commit suicide in some mysterious location or could he still be on the run?
00:53:00
Speaker
So he took the rifle with him? Yeah, they believe what was in that bag because they say it would have held like a 22 rifle and it looked like there was something like stiff in the bag kind of holding it in place. Now do we know like with his
00:53:18
Speaker
Dad, how did his dad die? You know, I never read exactly what his dad died from, but I think it was just like old age. Okay, because, okay, all of this, obviously I hear stories and it makes me think of other things.
Theories and Investigations
00:53:31
Speaker
And like the whole time we're talking about it, have you ever heard, I don't know if it's true, if it's just a rumor, I'm a, I'm a Britlet girl. Yeah, we love it. But this is more American literature, but I'd always heard that Ernest Hemingway,
00:53:47
Speaker
that his father committed suicide. And for his 21st birthday, do you know what his mom gave him? They didn't have a very good relationship with the gun. Oh, wasn't that the gun that he used to? Right. And so, like, the fact that he took that gun, it made me, in my head, I automatically was thinking, did his dad commit suicide? And now he's taking the gun. Well, there are a lot of people that
00:54:13
Speaker
like the neighbor to the dad. He's in the Netflix episode. He talked about like he saw Zawieh that day and like he just said that he appeared different when he left the house because normally he was like you know sociable and you know everything that you would expect someone of like high society
00:54:31
Speaker
to be like they talk you know they talk to you they carry on a conversation but like when he saw him he just like kind of walked past him with like a very determined look and a lot of people think that he decided in that moment like this is what I have to do
00:54:46
Speaker
but I wonder what happened or what he figured out or found out that would make him think that. I'm gonna go conspiracy theory here. Did he find out when his dad died that maybe, you know how he had adopted...
00:55:03
Speaker
Arthur. Oh, maybe, like, he was in Austin? And then his whole life he thought he was nobility, but then he wasn't, and now he realizes the line has ended anyway, so... Well, I think that it would kind of be... I think he killed his family to save
00:55:21
Speaker
them and him, I don't think, okay, if he is the person that killed his family, I think he killed his family because he thought he had the perfect plan to kind of get away and let them, people still think that they were the noble family they were, but that he was able to kill his family so that they wouldn't be like, shamed or feel shame when they found out like, we're poor. And this is like,
00:55:50
Speaker
So you think maybe he hid the financial ruin from them too? And he was so, I guess, embarrassed by that poverty that he couldn't bear to tell them the truth and so he'd rather them die than know? 100%. Yeah. Wow.
00:56:09
Speaker
So according to several sources, many claim that both he and his family are actually still alive. Even like, and his sister is the one that kind of holds onto this the most. The one that- In his family? Yeah. So they think it's random people? Yes. Yes. Because they claim, she claims they were never able to see the bodies. That the caskets were closed and that the like, I don't know if the, if the French have a coroner, but basically they were not allowed to see.
00:56:41
Speaker
So it could be the witness protection program, but then why was Xavier walking around being useful on King Run? True. Nevermind. So she says, quote, basically, Xavier and his family left for the United States because their safety was threatened in France. The bodies found under the patio can't be those of Agnes and the children. End quote. She believes that, quote, the information leaked to the media originates from the sources with an interest in making the family disappear.
00:57:03
Speaker
the bodies and they think that
00:57:11
Speaker
because she says in 2013 like she and her husband created a blog and i went on there a little bit but again like i don't speak french or read it so i was like having to translate a bunch of it but she says that um
00:57:27
Speaker
He wrote about accidents that may befall his family the year before they were presumably found dead under the patio and said that he hoped, no matter how convincing it was, that they would never believe he would do something to his own family. What? Yeah.
00:57:47
Speaker
So that's bizarre too. I mean, so she's all about, she thinks that there was someone out there to get them and that this was all staged so that they could escape. But again, I feel like that would take a lot of money and they didn't have any. Right.
00:58:05
Speaker
So investigators hold to the fact that Xavier de Pont-Délegon was in deep, deep financial duty for his several failed business ventures. And so despite being a nobleman, his late father had left him nothing except that name and that he killed his family to save them from the embarrassment of basically being poor. Okay.
00:58:27
Speaker
So kind of what I talked about earlier. So Martin, who is the journalist that's primarily featured on the Unsolved Mysteries episode, pointed out that there would be many roots leading in and out of France. So they hold to the fact that Xavier did kill his family and is like,
00:58:49
Speaker
hiding somewhere because they point out you know he could have easily escaped to italy or croatia which i want to go to croatia so random but anthony when he worked for the state they had like this yearly conference and it brought engineers from all over the world and one of them that he met is from croatia and he and his
00:59:12
Speaker
girlfriend I believe are like the sweetest people and all of the pictures that he posts of his home are so breathtakingly gorgeous and I don't want to go there and they just had a new baby too and I'm just like no I need to go I need to meet your baby right
00:59:29
Speaker
I can't. So maybe Xavier did go into his own form of witness protection program and change his own identity in one of these breathtakingly beautiful places. Many people believe that. I mean, there are theories that, you know, he knew English and Spanish very well so that he's fled to Latin America on like a cargo ship.
00:59:52
Speaker
Another theory suggests that he underwent plastic surgery and has been living in Scotland this entire time. That seems a little far-fetched to me, that one. I mean, so if that's the case, maybe in his mind he just spied it with he's not lying because he's in his own version of the witness protection program.
01:00:12
Speaker
There have been potential soddings of him, but all of those have fallen through. There was an incident at a... Someone thought he was a monk. There was an incident at either an airplane or a railroad station. Someone had a sodding, but both of them were just lookalikes.
01:00:30
Speaker
And one thing that kind of stuck out to me in the Grunge article was this quote. It says, quote, the problem in this case is that Xavier de Pondelegone looks a bit like everybody else with no strong features. He's of average height. Physically, he doesn't stand out. He's physically normal. And there's nothing worse in this situation than physically normal people because they both stay unnoticed and draw too much attention. End quote.
01:01:00
Speaker
That's fascinating. Which is true. So, Xavier could be your neighbor. And you might not know. Right. Because he just looks like everybody else. Yeah. Quite scary if he did do something. And I am wanting to think, though, if he ended up leaving all possessions behind, which obviously he did, and he just has the bag on his back, but he kept the rifle.
01:01:31
Speaker
It makes me think that he did commit suicide somewhere. And they do find I read that someone they found bones in that mountainous region and like a newspaper and some other things, but they found out that it wasn't him.
01:01:47
Speaker
I mean, he could just be going somewhere on foot. I mean, like, maybe pulling a sound of the music and just going across the mountain and he's using his rifle for protection. Yeah. A silencer so other animals don't... Aren't attracted. I don't know. I don't know either. I do think it's weird that he sent his sister that message that says like, hey, it's going to look like things are going to happen to us. Don't believe it. Yeah.
01:02:15
Speaker
I get why she so strongly believes that all of this is fake. Right because that's when I read that that's when I went back to what we talked about last week because up until then I was like he murdered his family he killed all of them and then when I read that I was like hmm maybe this was
01:02:37
Speaker
something that we just don't beyond what we can understand. And if it was something like his family have been placed in the witness protection program, I feel like the French police would kind of go along with that. Right. Right. And maybe pinning him as the murderer kind of takes attention away from the fact that they probably, maybe they are in the witness protection program. Right. Super interesting.
01:03:08
Speaker
So maybe the perfect family we all pictured in the intro isn't as perfect as we all thought. According to that same mental health article, while programs like I Love Lucy or Leave It To Beaver were fun and entertaining, they were totally inaccurate about what a family is really like.
Perfect Family Myths vs. Reality
01:03:26
Speaker
It points out, one,
01:03:28
Speaker
Even couples who are happily married report that they quarrel. Marriage is difficult, bringing with it a period of adjustment soon after marriage and then continuing to work on the changing circumstances around you. The problem is, not that parents argue, but how they argue. Those couples who argue and find solutions to their problems move on with their family lives.
01:03:50
Speaker
2. Family studies and surveys show that most siblings grow up arguing with one another, and I can attest to this. I had an older brother. I still see it with Anthony and his siblings. As long as parents don't get involved and allow the youngsters to work it out themselves, resolutions are often found. Of course, it's sometimes necessary for parents to step in if the argument is getting loud or out of control. In fact, several studies show that siblings who argued while growing up actually become closer friends as adults.
01:04:19
Speaker
It would be difficult to define what is meant by a happy family. Life brings with it constant change and the need to adjust to changing circumstances. Even changes that represent great success for the family are stressful for members to adapt to. The fact is, elderly members die. Many families experience economic problems, illnesses, accidents, and tragedies.
01:04:43
Speaker
So it's how we handle that. Number four, not only do parents have to have control over their children, but if necessary, they need to be able to prepare their children for greater independence and to watch them as they grow. Once children become adolescents, they place distance between themselves and their families by starting to date like the opposite sex, they socialize with their peers, they spend time,
01:05:07
Speaker
sports competitions and that kind of thing, and they are slowly preparing to move away by thinking about college, the military, or work. In addition, with most parents working, there's often no way to completely monitor where your children are after school.
01:05:22
Speaker
5. In fact, the history of family shows that mothers often worked long before the industrial revolution. While fathers farmed the land, women worked at home in cottage industries, so sewing clothes for sale, that kind of thing. 6. Most people lived in extended families, made up of many generations, such as grandparents and great-grandparents, in addition to even aunts and uncles, so the nuclear family was actually pretty rare. 7. Today, many people are either delaying marriage,
01:05:50
Speaker
or electing not to marry at all. So maybe what makes a perfect family is the imperfections. We find beauty in the flaws of our relationships. I only wish that the Dupont-Délagon family have been able to live and find beauty in their family and their lives. I hope that one day justice is brought to this family unit. So keep your eyes open, Sleuthhounds, for anyone matching the description of Zawieh. Even if he's innocent, he must know something about the death of his family. Maybe he can be found.
01:06:19
Speaker
and this case can be solved.
01:06:21
Speaker
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01:06:51
Speaker
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