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Tears of the Kingdom is 70 DOLLARS & Hogwarts Legacy is good and that's problematic - Add to Party 2.8.2022
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This week we recap the Nintendo Direct and discuss why Hogwarts Legacy is problematic.
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Introduction of Hosts
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Speaker
Welcome to add to party, friendship simulator masquerading as a new show. I'm your host, James Hartwell, and I'm joined by Charles Jamod and I'm joined by Andy K.
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Speaker
Good evening, gentlemen.
Nintendo Direct Event Highlights
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Speaker
It's a busy day with, you know, it's less news than you would think considering we had a Nintendo direct today. We took two weeks off and we really only have two stories to talk about. Oh, I love the direct. Oh, don't worry. We'll get into that. We'll get into the direct. Hmm.
Analog Pocket: Features and Experiences
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Um, but I think what's, what's far more important to discuss, say it is that I have received an analog pocket.
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Speaker
Wait, oh, all those. Wait, you just got it. And I got it like a couple. I got it like last week. Oh, I guess. Were you just not checking your mail? No, I was in wave C. Yeah, I'm remembering now they did multiple waves. I think I didn't preorder one because it would have taken until right now to get it. Yeah, that's that's that's what I did. If you're unfamiliar, the analog pocket is basically a game ball.
00:01:30
Speaker
Yeah. It's more or less they have eight. It's the same design factor as a Game Boy, although it has a beautiful OLED screen. You can put your Game Boy cartridges and Game Boy advanced cartridges in it and play it. I played Dragon Quest Warrior Monsters on it earlier.
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Speaker
and Pokรฉmon Blue. Wait, you have the cartridge? Yes, I do. I still have my cartridges. I think I still have my Golden Sun cartridge too, but I haven't tried that yet. I was super impressed that when I put that fucking cartridge in from like 1996, that the battery hadn't died. My save was still in there.
00:02:06
Speaker
I was going to say, I was like, did you have to replace the battery on the car? No, I put it in and it was exactly there. And I was walking around like, I do not remember how this game works at all. I do name your way. Is this the Pokemon Dragon Quest?
00:02:21
Speaker
Yeah, this is the Pokemon Dragon Quest. So what did you name your different monsters? I don't know if I don't know if I named them, but it was just like Drake, Jester, something like all. Yeah, I wanted to see like what potty humor you thought were funny. No, I wouldn't do that. I always went for cool names. Oh, well, then what kind of cool names would your mantras have been? That's what Drake, Jester.
Legal and Ethical Aspects of Emulation
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Uh, they also, um, just recently in a firmware patch, they updated it. So, uh, it also can just run emulators.
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Speaker
So I have emulators for Ness, Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, Color, SNES on there. Oh god, that's gotta be nice. Oh it is, it's super nice. And honestly, I am so surprised how good the feeling of playing on like the Game Boy form factor is.
00:03:21
Speaker
Um, it's really nice. It's really nice. I got to hold one when a friend of mine got it like six or eight months ago because it has been a whole while. Um, but the screen is just gorgeous and the build quality is incredible. And it's just, it makes you want to play games. Like it's just such a great way to enjoy it. You just want to play. It's, it's funny too. They're also there.
00:03:50
Speaker
I think my partner was like, how is this legal? And I'm like, well, it's not illegal. Isn't it a patent or maybe not? Maybe not. I don't know. I shouldn't speak to it because there was a whole thing about reverse engineering. Yeah, it's always the thing. Right. Got into like some people in hot water, but then I think it worked.
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Speaker
And then it became a thing of it's the difference between downloading a ROM and playing it versus like playing it off the cartridge in terms of like the technology of what's legal and stuff. I don't know. Well, I mean, it's I mean, Nintendo is not making Gameboys anymore. So. Yeah, I don't I don't think it's a one for one copy of the hardware. They had a like.
00:04:34
Speaker
Oh, I mean, it's not. And it has that beautiful screen. Speakers are also fantastic, too. Oh, really? Yeah. Things sounded really good on it. Oh, well, you're lucky. But when you hear that, when you hear that fucking Pokemon beat, when you start the games like that, that's like, oh, this is all the serotonin. Well, you have it up on the screen. Yeah. Go to store. Click on store. Yeah.
00:04:59
Speaker
Are they available right now? Oh, absolutely. Oh, wait. OK, it is 2020. Well, yeah, that's the year we are in currently, yes. Ooh, that white one looks nice. I like the black one better.
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Speaker
Let's see if I click ships 2023. Let's see. Pogginsville for pre-order. The limit is two pockets. I don't know. If you order today, it will ship in 2023, you know, anywhere in the next 10 months. Yeah. Yeah. I don't need that one that bad, but it's super old. Yeah, it was it was very nice. I these guys make other really good stuff, too. Yeah.
00:05:43
Speaker
Yeah, the Super Nintendo and the Genesis one are also very neat. Mm hmm. I wonder if they're going to make like a PS one. That's tough because I think, oh, it's because those are CD drives like these are cartridges. So it's it's a little more.
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Speaker
There's a little more gray area when you have something like a cartridge and a prepared, you know, like a specific kind of form factor connector. A CD drive is a little more like, Hey, no, no, no, we can still
Nostalgia for Old Games and Consoles
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Speaker
do this whenever we want. Sure. Yeah, that's fair. I don't know, but I think they're so cool and they're cute. Well, they are super NT. It's so cute, man. I don't need it. I don't need it. Hey do Andy. No, I don't. You do. I'll never use it.
00:06:32
Speaker
I mean, neither am I. It's going to go into my cabinet. I mean, because I have the steam deck. I mean, I might. I don't know. I'll probably play it a little bit. I still have it on my desk right now because I've been kind of playing with it. But I mean, I don't know. I don't think I'll ever like take it with me places. No, go back and relive Dragon Quest monsters.
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I was thinking about it. Honestly, I opened it up and I was like, what's the speed run for Dragon Quest monsters? Yeah, I think it's like two and a half hours. It's so weird because I have so many vivid memories of playing Dragon Quest monsters. Really?
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Speaker
I don't know. I just spent a lot of but I open it up and it's like I only spent 50 hours playing it, which I'm like, that's not a lot. Yeah. Yeah. But you could sink forever into it. But I was just walking around the map. I'm like, I don't fucking remember how this game works at all. You didn't get a wave of memories. Well, I just I like I logged in and it's just like, congratulations, you beat the tournament. And I'm like walking around like, OK, so what do I do?
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Speaker
And I just walked into like these fields, like where you fight monsters and I'm so over level that I'm just destroying everything. So I'm like, I'm like, so did I beat the game? Did I not? I can't, I can't decide. It feels like I beat the game. I don't know. I remember grinding a King metal slimes for XP a lot. That's what I remember. Sure.
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I think that's cool. Use this opportunity of a modern way to enjoy the past and at least start a new game. Or is it only one save per cartridge? I think it's only one save per cartridge. Oh man. You can't lose that. It's a pressure. That's okay. I just load it onto my SD card and play the emulator. That's true. That's very true.
00:08:27
Speaker
Oh, cool. Congratulations. Thank you. It's a really cool device. It is. And be jealous. A little jealous, but I don't need it. Yeah, you do, Andy. You do need it. I like looking at my... Oh, take that off the screen, James. What? It's super cute, super NT. Oh, it's super cute, Andy. Look at it. A little power in the reset button.
00:08:52
Speaker
It plays at 1080p, zero lag, and a lag. Oh, it's so cute. Get rid of it. Play Mega Man X, Super Mario World. Stop it. Now, to be fair, I have an upscaler. So technically Final Fantasy V. Look at that with the cartridge in there. Look at it. Yeah, it's so cute.
00:09:16
Speaker
Well anyway, so yeah, there's Nintendo Direct today.
Nintendo Direct Announcements
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Speaker
Yeah. That's my recording today instead of yesterday. Yeah. And let me tell you. Really? Yeah. Yeah. There's like two good things and that was about it. I loved it. Why? Usually I'm non-plus.
00:09:39
Speaker
Yeah, you're a bigger fanboy for Nintendo properties. Maybe. Is it just because they talked about Kirby a lot, Andy? No, no. There's lots of fun announcements like. All right. Well, let's let's run down the announcements starting out. They did a deep dive into Pikmin 4. I've never been a Pikmin guy. I don't know about you two. Nope.
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Speaker
I always I always want to get into Pikmin and then I don't. I figured that I would give it a chance this time around. Oh, and that might happen. Yeah. Well, we'll see what's coming out. I think it's coming out in the in July, July, July. Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see what else is coming out around those times.
00:10:31
Speaker
They also came out with the Splatoon 3 expansion pass, which includes Inkopolis and a side order story for the campaign. Sure. Am I making up this number? Didn't 10 million people buy Splatoon 3? I don't think that's true. It was a very large amount of people. Yeah, it was. Japan loves Splatoon. Let's be very clear here.
00:10:59
Speaker
Yeah, 10.13 million copies. It's 1.3 million. Yeah, worldwide, as of December, yeah. That's insane. Who's playing? Japan? No, I need to realize that just because it's not my world.
00:11:15
Speaker
I was ready to jump on you with it. No, no, no. Listen, there's a there's a big world out there of people playing Fortnite and Splatoon. I just it's just not me. I'm not playing. But yeah, so of course there's an expansion pass.
00:11:30
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, there was four to two. I mean, so it's unsurprising. Advanced Wars one and two reboot camp is finally coming out. Nintendo is apparently apparently Ukraine is winning enough that they decided they can release it now. If you don't remember, they were supposed to release it in December of twenty twenty one. And then Russia invaded Ukraine. And if you don't know about Advanced Wars, the villains are a Russian faction.
00:11:58
Speaker
More or less. Thinly veiled, but they they've revealed that it will be coming out on April 21st. I really kind of thought they would be like, OK, things looking good. Drop it now. Yeah, I thought a little bit of drop it now. Yeah, I don't know why they're waiting. I'm sure they have some reasoning for it. It's certainly in April puts it in the new year, so maybe they're just looking at their financials, but.
00:12:25
Speaker
Um, so let's hope that the, uh, the, uh, the Ukrainian conflict doesn't get any worse. And then I'll take away our advanced wars. That's right. No advance. That's the important thing. We should focus on that.
00:12:41
Speaker
They also revealed that Game Boy and Game Boy Advance games will be coming to Nintendo Switch Online. Game Boy games will be coming to base Nintendo Switch Online and Game Boy Advance games will be coming to Nintendo Switch Online plus expansion pack which is where they lock in N64 games as well.
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Speaker
The games they listed for Game Boy Tetris Super Mario Land 2, Link's Awakening DX, Gargoyle's Quest, Alone in the Dark, The New Nightmare as a weird pick on Wario Land 3 and Kirby's Dream Land Andy. And Metroid 2. And Metroid 2, that's right.
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And then for the GBA, the Oracles of Ages and Seasons, the Pokรฉmon Trading Card Game, Kirby, Tilt and Tumble, and other games, including Super Mario Bros. 3, Wario War, Kuru, Kuru, Kuru-in. Yeah.
00:13:38
Speaker
Uh, uh, you look it up. If you want to find out what that game is about, uh, Mario and Luigi superstar saga, which is actually a very good game and the, and the legends of the minish cap and other games like Metroid fusion curbing the amazing mirror fire emblem and F zero maximum velocity and golden sun will be added.
00:13:56
Speaker
I thought this was a fun announcement. It is. It is. It is a fun announcement, kind of. But for me, I kind of have all those games running completely legally on my steam deck. Yeah, I mean, like the thing about any of the game places that say we are re-releasing or, you know, making available, get all your old favorites.
00:14:24
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Yeah. And here is a slew of them, right? Me, as an older adult, is just like, I'm never going to go back to play this. I struggle already to play other games. I'm still playing Horizon Forbidden West.
00:14:40
Speaker
I wasn't asking where you finished that yet. No. There's side quests after side quests going on. I haven't even reached the west coast yet. Oh geez, you got a ways. That's it. But like, so that's the thing. Like for older established people, I'm not sure how much that, that this affects us. For younger people, I'm not sure how much they care either. I don't know if young people care.
00:15:08
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i mean i think what you have to figure is that they're kind of just
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super targeting several like one of these games will mean something to someone and they'll go back and put like that's that person's favorite game. Like I'll be perfectly honest with you. Tetris on the original Game Boy has a very significant emotional impact with me because my grandmother played that nonstop. Oh, like literally she sat there in her fucking reclining chair and she would just play Tetris all day on her Game Boy.
00:15:41
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Um, it's so sweet it is and I have like a weird kind of like attachment to that So you have to figure like someone like somewhere in this list, right? There will be people that have attachments and go play those games like Mario Luigi Superstar saga is actually a very good game So it's Minish Cap, but I play all the legends all the games anyway on a weirdly kind of sickle it's sickler basis Superstar saga I might go back and play but I'm not again We'll play it on my steam deck
00:16:12
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I'm excited for Oracle ages and season Oracle ages and season. I want to go back very good Those are very good solid games as well. Yeah Yeah, I don't know. I mean it's cool This weird gating with the expansion pack is is still weird to me. I agree. Yeah, I don't I
00:16:31
Speaker
Like for 64 games, sure. Like maybe the licensing deals for those are slightly more fresh, so they cost more money. But like for Game Boy Advance games, why? Like what's the big fucking deal? Like the only one I'm sure had any sort of licensing issue was the Pokemon trading card.
00:16:51
Speaker
That was an original Game Boy game, wasn't it? No, that's a Game Boy Advance game. Oh. Oh, wait, hold on. Let me look at it again. Actually, no, that might be a Game Boy Color game. I think you're right. I remember it being out when the Game Boy Color was out. I think you're right on Game Boy Color. I remember seeing pictures of it on Game Informer in color.
00:17:16
Speaker
So there you go. Yes, I don't know. I mean, it's I mean, certainly some of these games, especially there, there's a Mario Kart Super Circuit in there. They're adding online play for some of those. So, you know, that's that's the other benefit rate where she can get online play where they put that in and they figured that out, which is nice. That's cool. But I don't know. I just it's like this expansion pack thing. So weird.
00:17:41
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It's yeah, I mean there's good stuff in it. It's just I don't care that much Yeah, again. I still don't have it which says a lot Your steam deck does all of it it does do a lot. I'm I'm a good boy And so I have given Nintendo so much money and
00:18:04
Speaker
I am actively. Listen, here's the thing, right? I'm begging them to fucking release Twilight Princess and Wind Waker. Yeah, which they didn't announce today. Let's just so I can pay them for it again. I have those games on my steam deck. I want them on my switch. Yeah. How do you do the controls? Uh, for Twilight Princess, you play the GameCube version.
00:18:31
Speaker
for Wind Waker, you play the Wii U version. Um, and there's like, they have like a weird tablet. Like you, I think it's CMU that does the Wii U emulator. Uh, this is all secondhand knowledge, of course, but, um, why, why would it be secondhand knowledge if you own the original games?
00:18:52
Speaker
That's also I dump those roms, baby. I certainly didn't use the Wii U USB tool to download them from Nintendo servers. But yeah, no, yes, he has like there's like a hotkey where it like brings up the tablet window so you can look at it. OK. Yeah. Yeah. But again, like I just.
00:19:17
Speaker
In the same way, as we're about to talk about the next game they just announced, I want to see how Nintendo is pretty good about doing things when they re-release games most of the time. So with Zelda, they're going to do some stuff to it and change it up like they did with Cyber Sword. And I want to see what those changes are.
00:19:36
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So that's a good point. Yeah. Yeah.
Spotlight on Metroid Prime Remastered
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Speaker
And speaking of that, right. Finally, fucking finally. Yeah. Metroid Prime Remastered was announced and released today for the for the reasonable cost of forty dollars, I think that's reasonable.
00:19:56
Speaker
The game they have remastered. It looked like all the textures basically look really nice on the trailers. And also it has HD or excuse me, it has dual stick controls, so you don't have to use motion controls for it, which honestly was one of the reasons I. Well, A, I never had to like shake to get the jumps. Yeah, no, I've never I've never played Metroid Prime. Have you two? I was on the GameCube.
00:20:26
Speaker
Yeah, Prime was on the GameCube, but I think the Wii version, too. Like, I think most people played the Wii version. Oh, yeah. The GameCube didn't sell super well, Andy. I want to be very clear. Yeah, I was going to say, I was going to say, like, I remember playing on the Wii. I don't remember it being a GameCube game. It was a GameCube game. Yeah. Oh, OK.
00:20:47
Speaker
So technically is the second time they've released Metroid Prime. I thought it was dual stick on the GameCube, but maybe the C stick wasn't for. Yeah, actually, the C stick. I don't think the stick did as much or something like they made it better because they were still figuring out dual stick control when I think they were. Yeah. But I loved it on the GameCube. I had a great time.
00:21:13
Speaker
Charles, you played it on the Wii and you played it on the GameCube. I have never played Metroid Prime. Don't get me wrong. I don't. I didn't finish it. I play somebody's place. I think I got almost to the end. But it's I'm going to I downloaded it. I'm probably going to start playing it tonight. I think you'd love it. I mean, I've seen it. Here's the thing. I've seen a lot of speedruns of it.
00:21:39
Speaker
All the speedruns of Metroid Prime are super interesting because it's just entirely out of bounds. It's like, all right, let me go into Morph Ball, bomb out. And now I'm just flying through the map behind the walls. But no, it's always seemed like a really cool game. But yeah, the physical version is not coming out till the end of the month, but digitally on the eShop, it is out today for the price of $40. Very reasonable. They still didn't release two and three, which is weird.
00:22:09
Speaker
Um, also they didn't say anything about prime four. Yeah, that's what's wild. It's really weird. Did they scrap it and redo it? Well, they, they came out and said, Hey, this is not up to our standards. We're going to research development on it. And they brought, what was their name again? Retro? Who's that retro? They weren't originally developing the new one, right? Did they bring them into it? I can't remember.
00:22:36
Speaker
I don't know, but anyways, I, yeah, I think a whole new team took over, which wow, that's gotta be bad. Yep. Um, and then there's one more big story, which is tears of the kingdom, but just to quickly round up the rest of the stuff they talked about, um, Andy of note to you, uh, Xenoblade conical three DLC way DLC wave three, or the next DLC wave will be coming out on February 15th.
Excitement for Upcoming Xenoblade Chronicles 3 DLC
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Yeah. Sure. A new party member Masha.
00:23:05
Speaker
Yeah, and I have not played it in a long time. It was great. And then the DLC like story part, they showed a bunch of characters and I was like, I don't know.
00:23:19
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but they're flying around. So I love that. But there's a lot of other found announcements. No, it's combo day. Amiga or combo day. Amiga is coming back a game that feels game that feels racist. Oh, I agree. Yeah, I definitely was like, Hmm.
00:23:44
Speaker
Well, I think we'll all give it a pass with a more innocent time. That's right. Uh, the dead cells returned to Castlevania, got a trailer and a March six release. It looks super good. And I'm actually super excited to play even more.
00:24:01
Speaker
Mike Bithill's Tron identity game got I Tron identity game. Got an April release window. Ghost trick. Phantom detective will be coming to switch. Apparently people are super excited about this. This is a DS game. I always wanted to play it. Oh, I was excited. I think, I think we're overlooking the sleeper hit of this entire.
00:24:22
Speaker
series, which is a fashion dreamer. Yes. Which they dedicated like five minutes to for some fucking reason. It was a very long time. I mean, it looks cute. It looks like that'd be something fun for people to do. It's just you did not need to show that particular game for that long. Yeah, that's they had some sort of advertising deal. I think it's a big genre like I'm sure it is the dress up game type. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I remember I was watching like a deep dive on like
Extended Fashion Dreamer Presentation
00:24:52
Speaker
I don't know. It was talking about like different like online sites for kids. And like one of the big ones are literally just dressing up people. That's it. And there's tons of money in these sites because kids love this crap. And I think there's a lot of mobile games, too. So I thought it was interesting they were going into it. It's a dress up game without monetization or rather, you know, like predatory monetization, I should say. Well, get some time.
00:25:20
Speaker
Running down the list, Fire Emblem and Engage DLC wave two will feature characters Hector, Sorin and Camilla. Wave three will include Chrome, Robin and Veronica. Wave four will introduce new story content called Fel Xenologue. Octopath. Oh, good. Important thing about Fire Emblem. Emblem Engage is that with the inclusion of Veronica, Fire Emblem Heroes, the mobile game is officially recognized
00:25:47
Speaker
in a main story game, which is weird considering it's now the other way around. We use the mobile game to promote the main games now. Let's also promote the mobile game.
00:26:02
Speaker
Octopath Traveler got as a demo released today. That's also on other consoles. You can get on a PSN right now as well. We Love Katamari Wheels was announced to be released on June 2nd. That was when I was pumped about. I have recently become obsessed with Katamari Damashii again. I've only played the first one. I was 2012, Andy. What's that? I was 2012. 2012?
00:26:30
Speaker
Katamari? When Katamari come out? No, that was like 2005, 2004. Really? Yeah. And then we loved Katamari was the sequel. Oh yeah, 2005, yeah. Look at that. Well, that one was the sequel, and I never played the sequel.
00:26:45
Speaker
So I'm actually very, very excited for this remake. But I've been obsessed with the soundtracks. I just bought a poster. I bought multiple shirts. I have a new water bottle that's right next to me. I love Katamara Damoshi. It's so great. So I lost my mind because I was literally just thinking that I wanted this. Thanks, Nintendo.
00:27:06
Speaker
Uh, see if stars got a release date for August 26th and a demo releasing today. That's not good. Yeah, it does. It's a 2d RPG game. Um, Chrono trigger ask, I would say, um, just by the art store. It was incredible.
00:27:24
Speaker
Yeah. And with some music by Yasunari Mitsuda. There you go. We did music for Chrono Trigger. And then Kureri's Return to Dreamland Deluxe will feature a new Megalure epilogue and the game is getting a demo today. And right above it, Etrian Odyssey is getting stuff re-released.
00:27:44
Speaker
Oh, yeah, all three entry and Odyssey games. The first three is surprised because half of the game is the map gimmick where you draw a map as you explore dungeons and it was on the DS and 3DS. And that was a really fun thing to do in the game. Well, the switch is touchscreen touch. The switch is touchscreen.
00:28:05
Speaker
I wonder if they'll map it to that. But I was always curious if we'd ever get another Etrian Odyssey. And we're not we're getting remakes but or rather a re-release. And one of the selling points in the trailer was 26 new portraits across the three games. I was like, Oh, okay. Yeah.
00:28:25
Speaker
A lot went into that. And that's OK. Those games, there's not much to those games, but they're good. And then the announcement I actually didn't expect to see, because I think I read an article. This was never going to happen, which is Professor Layton and the New World of Steam was revealed.
Surprise New Professor Layton Game
00:28:40
Speaker
It's a little CGI trailer. Professor Layton is a fun little puzzle game. Was it on DS2 or did it start on the 3DS? It was DS.
00:28:50
Speaker
Okay. So yeah, this is a DS game and three DS game. It's a fun puzzle series. Um, I didn't, I kind of read an article a few weeks ago about that series being dead. So the fact that there's a new game coming to the switch is nice. I'm pumped. I love for so far. I have like four of them that I've gone through. Funny enough. I never did get to play any of them. They're fun. They're tons of fun. They're so fricking charming too.
00:29:15
Speaker
Yeah. Well, you know what else was charming? Mm hmm. The life sim fantasy life. I. Yes. Feels time. Yes. Just a couple more things, James. I was trying to hit the big ones. What was the one? There's important ones. Well, the one that Charles called out fantasy life, which I think is from Square. Yeah, I believe it's by Square, but I think it's developed by level five. Yeah, it's basically
00:29:41
Speaker
It's like in the best way. It's kind of like Animal Crossing mixed with Stardew or This game yeah, I you you fight things you help build your place It's it's adorable looking and I was like, you know what super cute I saw that trailer and I'm like, are they really seeing a Ragnarok online game?
00:30:07
Speaker
Yeah, well, like you could you could spend time cooking you hunt monsters super and then you fix your house But you know, that's honestly what I was missing from Animal Crossing. I just wanted to really feel things
00:30:22
Speaker
How long did it kill things? I think the first one was on 3DS. Yeah, I think. Yeah, so fantasy life, the girl who steals time definitely looks like a must play for me. Yeah, I was I was definitely interested in it. No, not square, just level five. I don't know because Uematsu composed it.
00:30:43
Speaker
Um, but the first one came out in 2012. Holy cannoli. It's been that long. Yeah. They're really digging into their, uh, their vaults for some fucking reason. Wow.
00:30:55
Speaker
But yeah, I was excited about that. The other thing, and not that I care much about the games, but the hope that it gives me, they're re-releasing Bot and Kaito's? Oh yeah, I saw that too. I was like, what the fuck? What? I don't know. You have to explain the- They were GameCube games from Monolith Soft. That's an important note for in a moment. But they were like, they were JRPGs that were centered around like cards.
00:31:23
Speaker
Um, the battle system was like, not like a trading car necessarily, but it was all like card-based. Um, but like just obscure, weird JRPG that I would not have thought that would be the thing they re-release. Like why in the world? Charles, did you ever play it?
00:31:41
Speaker
No, I got to stand and look at the screen, look at the demo play while looking, sitting around at a GameStop. Yeah. So I always wanted to play it. I don't know why I didn't end up playing it, but because it's by Monolithsoft, the team that made Xeno Gear or Xeno Saga, which was the team that made Xeno Gears. But so if they're going to rerelease Botan Kaitos,
00:32:10
Speaker
They're going to re-release Xenosaga because... Oh, re-release Xenogears first. What's that? Well, Xenogears is square. That's true. Xenosaga is Bandai Namco, which also did Botan Kaitos. And I'm assuming they're just working their way back because everybody loves Monolith Soft now. So I'm really hoping we get Xenosaga. I don't know if we'll ever get a Xenogear.
00:32:38
Speaker
Yeah, everyone loves model of soft. They did really release, though, and I bought them the model kit set for Xenogears. And I don't know why they released a model kit set, but I bought it. And that must mean there's a remake coming. Let's hope. God bless. Yeah. Look at this game. We have it on the stream now. I don't know why I didn't buy it.
00:33:04
Speaker
I really don't know. But yeah, so it's like card based. Ahead of its time. Ahead of its time. Oh yeah, when I saw that, the only thing I thought was I don't want to play this. I want Zeno Saga. Give me more Zeno Saga. I mean, let's say it.
00:33:21
Speaker
One thing I did get excited about, and I think I only saw it for a fleeting moment, was Mega Man Battle Network Legacy Collection. Did you like Battle Network, Charles? I never liked Battle Network. So here's my thing. I never got to play them. I only got to watch the TV show, and I bet that would be fun. The TV show was good. I was like, I think that would be fun. And then I was like, oh, I'm way behind on these games.
00:33:51
Speaker
Were they gonna release a collection? Yeah. There was like eight in there, wasn't there? Yeah, it was it was every one of them. Yeah. I always wanted to play them, but I never did. I don't know. They're very, they're very different. They're not traditional Mega Man games. Yeah, for sure. But like, they made ten of them. Why did your voice just crack? Because I was burping and I tried to stop it.
00:34:20
Speaker
I'm drinking a Moscow mule and it's, um, it's making me burpy. Are you drinking out of a copper glass? Okay. I wanted to make sure. Yeah. I don't know. I'm trying to think how to describe it's it's.
00:34:35
Speaker
It's there are games that are like this, but I don't require what they're where you have to three by three areas and you have to place things and do turn based
Mega Man Battle Network Legacy Collection Discussion
00:34:46
Speaker
fighting around. It's all weird. It's it's I don't know why they took Mega Man that direction, but they did. And people love it. So it was never for me, though. Give us Mega Man legends. Oh, God. Where's that third one? We never got this.
00:35:02
Speaker
God, the legends awful. James, James. Yeah. Take it back. No, it's awful. I'm sorry. Loved legends. No, legends is awful. You're wrong. Did you ever play it? Yes, I did, Andy. You didn't. No, you didn't because you wouldn't say that. I did, Andy. I wasn't good. I'll let you have your opinion.
00:35:29
Speaker
And then after all this rigmarole, we got to the big feeling, which is a new. Oh, no, no, no, no. There's still another one. Oh, my God. What else? There was a scroll. I don't even think it's in this list.
00:35:42
Speaker
What is it? Yeah, that's yeah. OK, what is it, Andy? Um, it was a game. It almost looked like it was from the it was published by Chunsoft. Um, the the Danganronpa. It looked like it was by the Danganronpa team. Are you talking about Deca police? I don't think it's Deca police, because I think that was a weird JRPG looking thing. Hmm.
00:36:08
Speaker
Um, but there was, it looked like we have a new Danganronpa type coming where it's about a team of paranormal investigators where you look into mysteries and each of them has like a different type of paranormal skill. And you use them to figure out the mystery and then you confront, um, like the villain, like Scooby-Doo style. And you have to like attack them, like finding like discrepancies and stuff. I loved it. I was watching the trailer and I loved it.
00:36:37
Speaker
does it master detective archives raincoat yep that one um that one i'm pumped about um yeah it's spike chunsoft which does or publishes i i forget if they're publisher developer um but this one i was pumped about too i did it it looks like dongron ropa it just does it just it might be dongron ropa with less visual novel which is fine
00:37:04
Speaker
Yawning don't let that don't James don't don't take that as any kind of opinion of Watching a cool trailer on silent. Did you ever play the danganronpa's I tried oh Yeah, if it's not your thing, but I love the danganronpa's love love love love love love love love Yeah, if there's only one problem with danganronpa is it does take a bit to get into I
00:37:30
Speaker
Yeah, but once you're in it, you're in it, but it's anime is all good. God, look at this. Oh, oh, I want this. I want this. So, yeah, I thought this was really cool. I mean, there's so much cool stuff in this Nintendo Direct. Come in spring, Andy. So like in the next four months. Yeah, I'm pumped. I think this is definitely for me. Interesting. All right. Any other games you two want to go through before I talk about some?
00:37:59
Speaker
I think that was about it for me. You know, let's talk about Harmony, the fall of Reverie. No, I'll have to talk about that. I wanted to like it, but I just I don't know. It's kind of boring. They also showed a more in-depth Taylor of Bayonetta Origins, Raising the Lost Demon. That's really cool. But Andy, Andy doesn't like it. So it does like it. Yeah.
00:38:24
Speaker
Not an adult woman, he says. It's not an adult woman who is a god. I love Bayonetta. Oh, except when she's a young girl. I mean, there's value there, too. OK. Uh huh. Anyway, it'll be good.
Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom Trailer Speculation
00:38:40
Speaker
So finally, they showed a new trailer for Zelda, Tears of the Kingdom, including a lot of new combat and features, including that you get to drive a car.
00:38:55
Speaker
Yeah, I could not. It's a it's a really nice trailer. I think it although also furthers the rumors that it is going to involve the tweely, which are the shadow people from Twilight Princess. Oh, you hear
00:39:14
Speaker
Towards the end, when Zelda says lend him your power, you can very distinctly hear the tweely voices. Oh, yeah. It looks cool. I don't I still don't have like a great sense of what this game is going to be. And that's weird, right? Yeah, it feels weird. Yeah. Yeah. Like I really need them to kind of be like.
00:39:42
Speaker
You know, the dungeon, because it's like, you know, the big complaint about, um, breath of wild was that the dungeon sucked. The world was so fantastic that it was okay, but the dungeons were so small that it was, you know, that was like, but they also had those mini puzzle dungeons and there were a hundred of them. So that was fine. It all kind of balanced out, but they didn't have like the traditional Zelda, like fire temple, water temple, like big dungeons that you spend a lot of time in. Um, and that's like something I would hope they would fix in this game.
00:40:12
Speaker
Um, but I don't know. I still don't, it's kind of like, are we just telling breath? Is this another breath of the wild game? Right. With a new story, you know, and is it going to be where it's just like, yeah, there'll be a bunch of new puzzle shrines and there'll be a bunch of, you know,
00:40:33
Speaker
things to collect and you're still exploring more or less the same map. I'm not trying to shit on this. I still think it's going to be a great game. I just still don't know what separates this game from Breath of the Wild other than the story.
00:40:46
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I just hope that they address like what you called out. I might play it if there's like more dungeons, right? If there's more bigger scale dungeons and more stuff. I like the little dungeons. I thought they were fun and I liked them. I still just I didn't get the same sense of satisfaction beating the
00:41:08
Speaker
the machine, the, the, I forget what they were called. Guardians. Guardians. Thank you. Yeah. The guardian dungeons. So, um, also the master kind of sucked in that game too, which is sad. Uh, but I don't know. We'll see. I, uh, I guess trailer three, maybe they'll specify more about it, but, uh, the other big piece of news, however,
00:41:31
Speaker
is that it's going to be $70 confirmed, man. This is now confirmed. Free orders have gone up.
Debate on Zelda's $70 Price Tag
00:41:41
Speaker
Um, yeah, that's weird. Um, I think we've talked about the move to $70 in terms of Xbox and PS five. And you know, this is, it's, it's, I don't want to spend the next 15 minutes discussing this cause I do want to talk about Hogwarts legacy at the very least, but, um,
00:42:04
Speaker
I feel okay with $70 for PS5 and Xbox and even PC games to some level because I acknowledge that game development is so big and so large now that it requires extra costs, especially when you're talking about the fidelity of graphics and things like that.
00:42:21
Speaker
this is a switch game and they haven't really like pushed any boundaries like Nintendo still delivers great games but their great games are because of either story or gameplay it's never been visual fidelity
00:42:34
Speaker
And this is not like, what are we six years into the fucking switch? It came out 2017. Yeah. Six years. So it's like, why now? Also, by the way, other games, they announced the one up for pre-order today. I can't remember which one it was up still $60. So it's only Zelda. That's 70 times. Uh,
00:42:55
Speaker
I don't know about that. I'm still going to buy it. Like here's the thing. I'm not going to sit here and pretend to sit on my high throne of like, how could Nintendo do this? I'm going to boycott it. Fuck them. I'd pay like, I'd pay $500 for this game and they fucking know it.
00:43:12
Speaker
It's just weird. It's a weird decision to just be like, yeah, we know everyone wants this game, so we're going to charge 10 more bucks for it. And it's just this game. It's not like a movement that all our first party titles are going to be $70 going forward. I wonder if it's because it's been in development for so long.
00:43:35
Speaker
I think I forgot about my hot take, but I have no problem with a price increase. Even here, I don't think there's a problem with it being $70. And I've been reading comments in different places. And I don't know. I feel bad, but everybody's like, $70 is too much.
00:43:55
Speaker
But $60 is fine? Like, I don't understand why this $10 window is, like, egregious for something that's been in development for so many years. Four years. Well, maybe less, but five, probably. I thought it was like five years. They announced it 2019.
00:44:14
Speaker
So if you think about it, it is probably in pre-development at that point. So five years. Even if it wasn't, who cares? Like they get to charge what they want. And because again, I think it just comes out to like, these are toys. These companies are always nothing. We're paying for luxury toys. And if it costs $10 more than it costs $10 more. And like, I think it's fine. And if that means you can't buy it right away, I don't know.
00:44:42
Speaker
Then you wait. I will. Well, Andy, Andy, although one of the one companies you can't say then you wait for since Nintendo. Yeah, they never go on sale. And that's fine. Then spend more time to save. But the other thing I find that's weird is traditionally right when you see games take a price hike, it tends to be with a new generation. Yeah, this is one of the first times I've ever seen a game increase mid generation.
00:45:10
Speaker
Yeah. And they don't even have a good reason. They could make a new generation of a system already. Well, we've gone through record inflation.
00:45:19
Speaker
And we've also this has also been again for a long time. That's not true because all the other games they announced are are pre-ordering for 60 bucks. It's just this game that's been in development forever. And who cares? Like maybe it had a larger team than everything. Right. But this is just all speculation. If anything, let them charge what they want.
00:45:41
Speaker
Like, I don't know. I really don't, for some reason, and I've been like trying to self-analyze this is like, why do I get so mad when I see people complain in comments about attending? Actually, that is weird, Andy. Why do you get so mad? James and I have already said, right? James is already admitting he's still going to buy it. Yeah. And my only argument, I'm not even saying necessarily a bad thing. I'm saying it's just weird.
00:46:09
Speaker
Yeah, because you don't even do it. So why is your stance just mad for any dissent on it? It's like how's the boot taste, Andy? Yeah, actually, I think it's that it's this weird. Well, because it always goes back to when I think about when people got mad at the witness for being $40. Right. And which I think was an insane argument. The witness was absolutely worth $40. But the witness is going to cost how much the developer wants it to cost. Right. Yeah. Because again, this is a luxury hobby.
00:46:38
Speaker
with a gate or an entry price to begin with. And if someone chooses to sell it for X amount of dollars, then you spend X amount of dollars. And I think the reason I get mad is like when I go through these comments, it's like the responses are so heated and like people are so offended. And it's like there's weird sense of entitlement. And I think that's where I just get hung up is that like, you're entitled to nothing.
00:47:06
Speaker
Who do you envision? Who do you envision when you think about these comments? No, like, I'm serious. Like, I can get butoid right now. It's people just saying, like, this has gone too far. This feels like it's gone too far. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:47:19
Speaker
It's a toy. Well, Andy, I think at that point then you're no longer arguing the point and you're arguing the outrage, which again, great for our next story, but hold on. Um, I don't know. It's yeah. I think from Charles and my perspective, it's just like either do it or don't. Right. Like.
00:47:38
Speaker
If you want to charge $70 for your games, charge $70 for your games. But why are you just charging $70 for legend of Zelda breath of the wild? It, or excuse me, tears of the kingdom. Like, is it just because you're like, it's going to sell really well and we want to get squeeze every penny we can out of this generation. And again, that's their prerogative and they can do that.
00:48:01
Speaker
Well, I mean, weird taste in your mouth, right? To just be like, it's less, it's so calculated of a move, right? Because, you know, it's like, if you go, Hey, this is our strategy going forward. This is what games cost. Everyone goes, well, that fucking sucks, but okay. Um, but if you just go, Hey, we know that you're going to buy this game. So we're just going to ask 10 more bucks.
00:48:25
Speaker
It feels bad. It's a difference between knowing how the sausage gets made. Everyone knows about capitalism and how you're kind of screwed under it. No one wants to see it blatantly out. Yeah, exactly.
00:48:43
Speaker
Honestly, when I saw the price hike, I didn't think of it like that. And maybe this is just me simping for that. I mean, it is me simping for Nintendo, but I was absolutely. Yeah, it is. Oh, that makes sense. It was a longer than like expected development and its inflation. So, yeah, you got the big, big project, this huge project, almost unprecedented with so much expectation because the previous game is one of the best of all time. You know, you sell it for 70. OK.
00:49:12
Speaker
I mean, that that does create a weird expectation, though, where it's like, OK, so now is there a new class of video game that Nintendo releases where? OK, this is a 60 dollar game, but this this is a 70 dollar game. You know what I mean, right? So it's it's it's like they're they're classifying their own games as being more premium, depending. And it's just weird.
00:49:36
Speaker
I don't. I mean, that's how games work that are sold under $60. Right. Indie games are all over the place. I mean, back in the SNS and Genesis days, those games were all over the place in terms of cost. They were. They were. And I only when we entered the like, I don't know the number of generation, but like once we entered PS one, that's when we started to get a flat price and 64 cartridges were all over the place, too. But I mean, they were. I remember playing 65 for it was Donkey Kong. Yeah.
00:50:05
Speaker
And there's memory on the cartridge and hardware on it, too, that played a difference. But to me, variables, fine. I think in Japan, variables still exist. But I don't know. I think one of it is me reacting to the outrage in comments, because it's just like, why do we think we're entitled to this?
00:50:25
Speaker
Um, and then also just it didn't bother me to me. It just makes sense. Okay. I mean, it doesn't bother us because we, it doesn't matter for us, right? Yeah. Again, they can, they can raise it hundreds of dollars. I'm still buying this game. I'm not getting it, but like, uh, but like my thing about this, this is, and why I find it weird. And it's going to be interesting to see what happens is that
00:50:52
Speaker
Like James was saying, we are going to enter this space where we actually can't know what prices the games are going to be, especially for very popular games.
00:51:04
Speaker
Which, you know, I don't think it's going to get too outrageous. It can be probably in 10 years or five years. Um, but we're in this point where this is like an exploratory model and there's still, everyone's been having this argument about how much is a game worth like the witness, right? I think that the other witnesses worth $40.
00:51:25
Speaker
I know other people won't necessarily think that. And it's arbitrary. Like I don't think everyone should ever come up with the same formula for what the price is. But, and again, it's up to everybody decide what their price is worth. This argument is going to perennially be around now, especially since it's not going to follow a flat model anymore. So we're going to have this argument. People are going to have it and they're all going to come from different perspectives on life.
00:51:55
Speaker
and how they want to do things and what they can afford. Yeah. And I think it shields like the flat price shields a lot of criticism sometimes because what's going to happen is somebody's going to release a game higher than normal and it's not going to. And I think like a consensus view is that game was not worth the price. And then it's going to be like, well, why are you charging the extra to release a shitty game?
00:52:21
Speaker
You know, so it's, it's, this is the weird, like we're on the tip, right? Of that like slippery slope. And, and it's just like, I'm still like, I don't, I don't know what you're thinking here in Nintendo. Like I'm hoping it's just the one time thing. And then, you know, maybe with your next console, everything 70, that's fine. That's, I understand that. And that makes sense. But it's like, if you're going to start going picking and choosing, which game costs what you're.
00:52:47
Speaker
People are going to start playing a dangerous game, but not even necessarily Nintendo. Other developers are going to start playing dangerous games where someone's going to charge way too much and it's going to blow back hard on them. Yeah, but then people don't buy it. No, they did buy it. That's the problem. People are going to buy it and it's not going to be great. Like imagine if they charged 90 bucks or cited. You know what I mean? I mean, like, I guess, you know, let the free market decide. All right.
00:53:17
Speaker
I got it. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That's that boot taste, Andy. I don't think it is. I just let people charge what they want. But Andy, you know what we're saying, though, right? We're not even arguing against this, right? We're just telling you this is going to cause a level of confusion. There's going to be a level of uncertainty with people. And things are just going to be less predictable. Yes. Yeah. And I think that's fine.
00:53:48
Speaker
And he loves chaos. I don't see the chaos. Like, I don't I don't know. Maybe I'm just not connecting it. I might be very drunk, but I'm just I don't I don't see the problem, even if a game becomes because I think like I remember reading like something in Japan, like a game will be one hundred dollars. Like in where we are, we have games cheaper even.
00:54:10
Speaker
like there's other places that games cheaper to like let them let them charge what they want and if it's too much then people don't buy it and the price goes down but like I have no problem giving the developer whoever it is a small developer up to a large one charge what you want
00:54:26
Speaker
Because when you fix it towards a small model, you know, like, what if they charge $10? This is a hypothetical. All right. What if they charge $10 more? And I know greed won't allow this. They charge $10 more, but it gives a company more space and time to develop it. And it's a healthier development problem. Oh, that's and that's and that's fine. Right. Andy, but that's the golden path. Right. Well, that's the golden path. Yeah.
00:54:49
Speaker
Yeah, it's, but I, I'm presenting the position of where greed is going to overtake people and they're going to release shitty games at high price. And that's going to get into a predatory model, right? That's the, that's the other side of it. So it's like, yes, developers should be paid and not crunched. We've argued about this for a year, you know, every fucking week on this podcast.
00:55:11
Speaker
But also there are shitty people at the top who will take advantage of people who buy games. So it's you know, it's you also have to you have to argue for the consumer sometimes. You know what I mean? Sure. But we'll have to see if someone expects it, they're going to get a ton of backlash and then maybe the next company won't do that. Well, we'll find out. Yeah, we'll have to find out. But I say open the gates. Variable pricing. Go for it.
00:55:41
Speaker
We'll see what happens. And I understand it might make some things more expensive. And that's not easy on people. I want to make sure it's clear. I'm not just saying like, well, then just spend four people are fucked. And that's what I think. I sleep on my bed and have fun. You don't get to have fun with all the cool things. No, no, no. Years from now, when you have enough money.
00:56:05
Speaker
Cause I think this is what, and I think this is what makes me mad and maybe mad is not the right word, but I am, I'm expressing as frustration is that yes, it's a difference of $10. But for some reason I get kind of mad when people say like, Oh, that's way too expensive. That's unreasonable. And it's like, you're playing in an expensive hobby. You're playing in an expensive space. And you are, if you wanted to buy this game at 60, you had a path to saving to $60.
00:56:35
Speaker
Oh, then you might need to wait later. You might need to do something else. That's that's an act to 70. That's it. But think about the think about your edge on when you put on your money. Right, Andy. Right. There's a there's there's a path when there's it's $1 too much. Right. It's up. There's a theoretical on your end. Right. And so in that line,
00:56:58
Speaker
right if if you saw something like you let's say you were willing to pay something for like 200 you're willing to pay for it 225 though
00:57:11
Speaker
But then but theoretically, it's only twenty five dollars more. Why is that too much for you? No, no, no, no. I'm not trying to frame that ten dollars is disposable. What I'm trying to frame is that if there is a path to 60, then through and it might mean it takes longer. It might mean it takes waiting for a sale. It might mean waiting for resale. It might mean different things. But if you're if you're playing in a space, that's an expensive hobby.
00:57:38
Speaker
It's just expensive. Well, it's it's the diff. I just I get so frustrated. But Andy and sometimes, but not everybody. Yeah, go ahead. I think you are saying that not everybody are disposable income manchildren that we are, Andy. No, no, no, no, no. But listen, like their parents, right. And their kid wants games and things like that. You know, they have to balance. So it's like that's that's the.
00:58:04
Speaker
That's the balance. This has nothing to do, though, with ten dollars being disposable immediately. It just means maybe you wait longer. Like, no, no, no. But the point making rate is it's ten dollars now. Yes. And then it's twenty dollars in a year and that's thirty dollars. And you know what I mean? That's the that's the thing we're saying is like. But I don't think these are the sliding scale. I think the reactions are just a jump. Well, I just get frustrated of it's.
00:58:32
Speaker
I understand ten dollars is a lot of money. It can be a big difference. But if you're going to spend 60 on something, I think there's a way and it might just mean time. It might mean months. But you can still get there because you decide to drop three or four hundred on a system. You decide to buy other games. You know, like it's it's an expensive space. We got to get Charles, we got to get Andy out of Wisconsin.
00:59:00
Speaker
I just maybe maybe lower drinking at this time. I mean, that's my hot take when it comes down to ten dollars. If it comes down to ten dollars being the end of everything, then you shouldn't be like, oh, God, not that you're fun. People need these types of things to to enjoy. But it's just it frustrates me when it comes to that.
00:59:22
Speaker
I don't want it. And the other thing, Andy, is people are reacting viscerally, right? Because it's their initial reaction to it. It's a surprise, one, and it's unprecedented. Why wouldn't people be, like, surprised, angry, whatever? That's it. And it's not like you could follow them to see them when they calm down or be okay or do whatever. My initial reaction to $70 is,
00:59:45
Speaker
Doesn't seem like a good idea. Yeah, that's true. You know, I get it. They're still going to do it. It's not like the jump to 70 didn't like change my opinion. I was like, I was like, yeah, this was probably going to happen at some point. I mentally knew that in my head, right?
01:00:01
Speaker
Other people aren't like that. Other people aren't casuals. I like I like the way you framed that in that I am reacting to someone's first reaction and that first reactions are allowed to be what they are. Right.
01:00:18
Speaker
And they can be exaggerated, or exaggerated maybe isn't the right word, but it's shocking, and you're processing, and you say things, and you do things, but once you have the time and space to figure it out, then you might think differently. And not that it means they have to come over to my side, but I'm reacting to an initial reaction motion.
01:00:39
Speaker
And I think I like that. That's that is not that's not the best thing for me to react to. So I like that. Thank you. Thank you for that call out. I still believe but I like the way the way you framed that because it gives me a different lens to view all those comments through. Always, always discuss the point and not people's reaction to the point.
01:01:05
Speaker
That's I think that is always a good good way. Don't argue to the emotions of things. Yeah, true. It's just I don't know. I really like Detroit and usually I feel like they're level headed, but I always see them getting sensed about this. But that's fair. That's what comments are for. Right. And that's a lot of times what makes Detroit fun. And then just because it comes across like some weird hill I want to die on doesn't mean I need to get mad at people getting people are allowed to have their reactions.
01:01:32
Speaker
Why should I be mad at something frozen in time? Doesn't make sense. Hmm. I like that. Hmm. I can't get mad at just initial reactions. Don't worry, Andy. I have something you get mad at. You've grown. Hmm. Hogwarts legacy. I don't know. What about it? Oh,
Hogwarts Legacy Controversy and Reactions
01:01:52
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man.
01:01:52
Speaker
Andy's really in a mood, so I don't know, maybe this is the best time to have this sensitive conversation, but we're gonna try. What? No, it's taking advantage of my... We'll see. I decided to spike my Moscow mule some more. I'm a bartender now, but I can be a bartender with liberties. Jesus Christ, Andy. You look in the mirror and go, for you, I got you a double, and you went to yourself in the mirror. Yeah.
01:02:18
Speaker
Um, Hogwarts legacy came out. It's well, it's good in my, that's true. It's good enough. I think is the, uh, is the terminology is because it's very interesting. If you read a lot of the reviews from people who did review it, uh, we'll get to that in one second. Um,
01:02:39
Speaker
is that basically it's like, well, you know, there's this in some areas or little content bear, or, you know, there's a little buggy here, but I get to walk around and Harry Potter and write a hippogriff nine out of 10. And I think this is very much a game where it's like, if you love Harry Potter, this is the game you've been waiting for.
01:02:57
Speaker
And that's OK. However, the other side of this fun little coin is JK Rowling's piece of shit. And she has literally said that any money she makes from Harry Potter that she takes as a as a what's the word?
01:03:17
Speaker
endorsement. Yeah, endorsement is close enough. Endorsement of her. Yes, she says that much that the more money I make and people spend on Harry Potter are just people endorsing my views that trans people don't know. She did not say that. She did say that. I mean, that sounds like something some you somebody would say if you're being spiteful and angry. Yeah. Yeah. She. Oh, I guess I could see her reacting to that.
01:03:45
Speaker
Okay, that doesn't, I mean, that's not true. I don't have the exact wording, but I have seen it and I have...
01:03:54
Speaker
Had it repeated enough that I am willing to commit to it, that there are less. Yeah, that. Yeah. So, you know, this puts everyone in a very weird position because very frankly, we shouldn't support this game. And I know there's the argument, the devs, they put their life into it. Yes. But that doesn't avoid the fact that every sale Hogwarts legacy puts money in JK Rong's pocket.
01:04:21
Speaker
And to your point, Eddie, luxury game, right? It's very easy to go to. There's no ethical consumption and capitalism when you're, you know, have to buy things to live. You don't need to buy a Harry Potter game. Right. Are either of you big Harry Potter fans pre JK Rowling being a piece of shit? Oh, giant. I would be giant, Charles. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Pottermore turned out, I think my patience was an otter.
01:04:51
Speaker
because it's like Hermione's. And what about you? I've always wanted to be a what's it a Ravenclaw, but they keep putting me in Gryffindor. She's too brave, Charles, too brave. Yeah. What about you, Andy? I didn't really engage with them growing up. I read like all of my senior year of high school or like freshman year of college. So I'm kind of indifferent to it.
01:05:16
Speaker
I always I just missed it, I think, like because I'm just one year older than you, Andy. So I think I just missed the train. So never really. I saw I haven't seen all of the movies. I've definitely seen a couple of them. I've never read. I've never read a single book. I read a lot of like because like all my like because the last one was coming out, the very, very last one. And I remember like I wanted to be a part of the hype.
01:05:44
Speaker
And so I just binged all the books while listening to like a Regina Specter album. So now like Regina Specter in my mind is forever tied to Harry Potter. I have that with a lot of books, too. Yeah. To certain. Yeah. But so. So, OK. So Charles, big fan, Andy, modern fan, me not fan at all. So and yeah, for me, it's super easy, right, to go. Well, I support trans people. I don't love Harry Potter. It's super easy not to play this game. Um, um.
01:06:14
Speaker
I can understand the side of the coin where people are like, Harry Potter is a big part of my life growing up. And this is in, you know, this is always the separate the art from the artists argument, which is always a fun conversation, but, um, you know, like people have a lot of their lives and their youth and how they developed as a person in these worlds. And I understand that attachment, but it's so tough. It's so tough to like.
01:06:43
Speaker
have such a, like, this is not a threat, but like if JK Rowling was dead, it would be a, it would be a lot easier to go. Okay. I can play the game. You know what I mean? Like, like there are people who get upset, like about Michael Jackson stuff, like these days after things that came out after his death, but it's like, well, he's dead, you know, at this point. Um, but it's, uh, with JK Rowling, it's like,
01:07:10
Speaker
It's so tough. It's so tough to just separate this and
01:07:16
Speaker
I'm not going to sit neither of us. Um, Charles, you were the closest to having issue. Andy and I have no issues. Charles, you're a person of color. So you at least have some challenges in your life. Um, but like every day, sit here, huh? Huh? Every day, every day. Um, I'm not going to sit here and say, I understand the plight of trans people, obviously. Um, and you know, the,
01:07:42
Speaker
literal mental anguish that can cause them but it's also it's just
01:07:48
Speaker
It's so weird. It's just there's people. And I think, Andy, this goes back to you're getting caught in the outrage, right? There's innocent people on either side of the spectrum who love Harry Potter and are separated from JK Rowling's bullshit and trans people who, frankly speaking, feel are probably Harry Potter fans and have been fucked by this, right? Yeah. So it's and then in the middle, you have people just fighting about it. Like, how dare you play this game? How dare you tell me I can't play this game?
01:08:17
Speaker
And then in the middle of it you're and then overall you're just arguing over a game Yeah, and that's and that's like the most annoying part cuz like yeah sure you fit you're done with that argument But you didn't solve the overall problem, which is even more painful. Yeah Yeah, I mean, you know For my experience as a minority when I deal with my issues and you know being non white I
01:08:42
Speaker
I, you know, I've always found it that there was a camaraderie with other minorities when suffering through other systems. And then, you know, you look around and you see these things happen. And, you know, from my opinion, it's never about the hope of things changing.
01:08:58
Speaker
You just kind of laugh at the situation you're in because that's what you have. That's what you have. You just you're not changing it. Right. You can't just fix it all. Right. Like I'm not fixing the system as we have it. We're still we still have these police for one. Right. And I don't know if we'll ever get that solved, to be honest. But, you know, when you when you're, you know, minority recognizing other minorities and just being like, yeah, we're all suffering in this together.
01:09:27
Speaker
Sometimes it's like, uh, like, listen, we can't do anything about it. Like, what does this matter? Even more like type thing. And you know, that does sound very sad. Sure. I get it. Um, and I, and we have made strides and improvements over time for everything else. But like when you, you know, it could get really disappointing in a scale. Uh, and for instance, Harry Potter peak concurrency is almost 489,000.
01:09:56
Speaker
people playing in the past 24 hours. We talked about people playing this game. We talked about a lot lead up to this is the kind of game that brings people in who don't normally play games, right? Yeah. Yeah. So and it's decent, I think, is the it's not shitty. Like, you know, there's a lot of like, you know, these IP games, they come out and they're not good.
01:10:20
Speaker
outside of like Lego games, right? Like they're the only people who consistently make good IP games. But this is like a real chance for people like outside of like going to Universal Studios or whatever to like live in the Harry Potter world. And I don't know. It's I
01:10:42
Speaker
I don't want to shame anyone for playing the game. But I do think it's like, you know, if you if you can not play it, you shouldn't play it. Like, honestly. Yeah. And like this. Yeah. This one is one of the weird ones, because honestly, normally I could separate art from the artist. If an awful, horrible person comes up with a good idea that could help a lot of people, I'll still take that good idea. This is something our is such a great song.
01:11:10
Speaker
How is a good song? Listen, I'll still listen if it happens to come on. I'm just not going to play it myself. OK, but but the thing here is just I the author has already said they'll actively use your money to do other things. They're pretty bad. So, you know what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, maybe this one you could take a hit on. Yeah. Or at the very least, pirate it. Do something where the money doesn't go, you know,
01:11:38
Speaker
The money doesn't go to where to do bad things. Yeah. Or I mean, I don't know. You know, I, it's, I've seen a lot of streamer and you know, for streamers, right. It's your livelihood. This is the hot game. They have to play it. That's another fun conversation about capitalism in there. I've seen a couple of them who are playing it donate any ad revenue or streaming revenue that they get while they're playing it to trans organizations. I mean, you know,
01:12:08
Speaker
It's it's kind of a karmic offset, if you will. I think if you're going to play the game, maybe that's the least you can do, but. Hmm. Yeah, I don't know. It's the big story, you know, between the direct. I'm glad the direct came because we didn't have to spend 45 minutes talking about this, but. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not I'm not going to shame anyone, but my recommendation is don't play it.
01:12:39
Speaker
Andy, you've been silent. Are you, have you fallen drunk? I'm too drunk to have a take on this right now. Money. I don't, I'm a little bit worried. He's like trans rights. This is a little too hot for me.
01:12:54
Speaker
Well, I'm sitting here thinking like, uh-oh, why don't I care as much? Oh, Andy. Well, wait, you don't care what? I, as a matter of. Smoothie, I know. Smooth this over for yourself real quick. No, I don't want to lie. Oh, come on, Andy.
01:13:18
Speaker
free market capitalist Andy says when did I become a capitalist? How's that boot taste? Oh, I think the only thing I mean to say is.
01:13:30
Speaker
Andy, quickly, you support trans rights. I would hope that goes without saying, no, this is in no way. Why don't you just say that? I think it was more towards, and you even said too, it's such a big conversation. It's like support the art or the artist, right? Yeah. It has just become so, in my mind, but granted, I'm not that much part of the fandom,
Moral Dilemmas in Supporting Controversial Content
01:13:58
Speaker
God, I'll just say the words is that it feels like JK Rowling has become such a villain and like cartoonishly so, which has its own problems in terms of like, then we lose sight of what the actual problem is. But it's like, it feels like to me right now, she is separate from the content.
01:14:15
Speaker
Because I feel like the content now has fallen from the outside looking in. It feels like it is either being reclaimed by the people who enjoyed it and it became important to and are doing new things with it. And I feel like she that's gone. That's out of her hands. That's in the hands of other people now.
01:14:34
Speaker
I do agree with you on that point, Andy, but it doesn't change the fact she still gets money from it. And literally, that is just the evil of capitalism. And honestly, in this case, I would I just for me, I do not see the purchase as an endorsement of her. Even if money gets to her pocket, there's nothing we could have done. I mean, that's the thing, right? That's I think that's the point I was trying to make where it's like, I'm not going to say anybody who buys or plays this game. Yeah, I is.
01:15:03
Speaker
unsupportive of trans people, but I think there is an option there where you could be more supportive. You know what I mean? Essentially. Yeah. I kind of liked the idea of, and I think this was suggested by our Bayonetta actress or voice actresses, maybe pirate it and then donate to some type of organization. But at the same time, these, again, I'm sorry, but it's like these poor devs, right? Well, Andy, that game sold well enough. They're fine.
01:15:31
Speaker
Yeah, they probably are. Well, they're fine because everybody else is unconscionable. Listen, we're relying on- You're sitting here in our ivory tower, crawling over morals. Let them do the work. But it feels like Harry Potter is, to me, Harry Potter is bigger than
The Legacy of Harry Potter vs. J.K. Rowling
01:15:51
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Jake. We're all in now.
01:15:52
Speaker
She's an evil trans hating woman who just does God shot up shot off. He's causing her own problems. She's I mean, they're in toilets in Hogwarts. They just take just evaporate from somebody. Oh, sorry, Charles. I didn't hear that. Now I was saying like, if only it was if it was possible to take a property away from somebody. Yeah. You know, I don't know. I mean,
01:16:19
Speaker
Percy Jackson guy do anything bad? I can't remember. I think Orson Scott card and there's game guy does bad things. Oh, yeah, he sees off I Yeah again though to like that, you know, especially for older times like I like to think like, you know all the historical figures I like or thought we had good ideas I go and they were also racist and
01:16:45
Speaker
And so a lot of people don't want to talk to me about anything. But the difference there is they're dead. In this case, not so. I'm not saying anything about whether the state of J.K. Rowling of alive or dead. I do have a preferred state.
01:17:07
Speaker
We wish well on all human beings. That's right. What did I used to say? Whenever it's like, it's like, listen, I would never wish death on anyone, but there are certain people I'll mourn less.
01:17:25
Speaker
Um, but yeah, she kind of sucks. And thank you to chat. She is the one who made herself into it. A cartoonish turf, literally. She's the reason I learned what a turf was, which is the problem. She platformed a hate movement.
01:17:41
Speaker
So, yeah, she's her own problem, but honestly, to me, Harry Potter is beyond her. But did someone say, I heard a great take about Harry Potter that I never realized today, which is that the Weasley's are like poor for all intents and purposes. Meanwhile, Harry's sitting on this hoard of gold that he never helps them. Well, if I recall, there is an instance in the books where he tries to give them money.
01:18:07
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sure. But yeah, I, uh, but yeah, I agree. It's very funny. A funny situation. Oh boy.
Conclusion and Affirmation of Trans Rights
01:18:17
Speaker
Well, we tiptoed through that minefield on this party, a friendship simulator masquerading as a new show. I have been your host, James Hartwell. Uh, James trans rights matter. Maybe don't play the game. Hartwell joined by.
01:18:36
Speaker
Well, let's see, where'd it go from here, huh? Charles, $70 is reasonable for people, but I understand your frustration, Yamat. And I've been joined by... Andy, too drunk for takes. Okay. That's fair. That's a good... Andy? That's a good, safe position to take, I'm proud of you. Although, maybe I do believe I'm sober, too. I think I just...
01:19:06
Speaker
Have a good night.