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Speaker: Hi, welcome back to Grove Hill and to our podcast, our weekly adventure into the real world of living the Christian life, right? That's right. Yeah, we try to try to bring some sanity out of all the insanity going on in the world, hopefully enlighten you a little bit about some things that the Word teaches us. I got my friend John back with me this week, and sitting in for our man Kyle is the lovely Lori Harbour. Hello. our children's minister, and ah appropriate that you're here today because of our subject. So we're glad you're here. We'd love to have Kyle sitting here because of his obvious area of expertise, but um we'll make it without him.
Speaker: We can do it. Don't tell we hold don't tell him I said that. make We'll hold the fort down. So we are going to talk a little bit about parenting. I think we promised you last episode that this was going to be where we are. um Parenting is a huge, like universally big subject with all kinds of variances and biases and all those kinds of things. So we are not going to be able to cover everything you want to know about parenting in 30 minutes.
Speaker: maybe 32, but we're just not going to be able to do that. So we do want to hit some highlights. We want to cover some stuff. I want to read to start off with a very familiar passage for some of us who have grown up in church. We've heard these words. It is called by the Hebrew people and in the Old Testament, the Shema. It is the command of God about teaching your kids. I think it serves as a great foundation here. And then we're going to pick your brains about a few different subjects subjects we've picked out for the day regarding parenting. So here we go. Deuteronomy 6, verse 4. It says, Listen, Israel. The Lord your God, the Lord is one.
Speaker: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. These words that I am giving you today are to be in your heart. Repeat them to your children. Talk about them when you sit in your house and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up.
Speaker: Bind them as a sign on your hand and let them be a symbol on your forehead. Write them on the doorposts of your house and on your city gates. So let's start at the very beginning, very basic question. What is the goal of Christian parenting?
Speaker: Raise disciples. Oh, that's simple, succinct. I like that. It's not hard. Raise disciples. That's the goal. So help me draw a line for people who are out there who are hearing that and they think different things. What's the difference between good kids and godly kids?
Speaker: One, you're you're trying to make them fit into a a box of, man, they got good symptoms of, you know, some structure in their life. And there's another one where it's, man, they are wholly living with the concept of...
Speaker: one God integrating into their life and applying those principles that the Shema talks about where it's loving the Lord with all aspects of your life. To me it's... Not perfection, yeah but yeah you know. yeah To me it's a difference of fruit. What kind of fruit is your child producing? You know, you can be producing okay fruit, but unless you're producing the fruit of the Spirit, that's more your godly character. Yeah. Yeah. So ah I love the fact that you brought up fruit because in my mind, one of the things I have learned even through my own parenting travesties and tragedies is that the the appropriate mindset of raising kids is like a farmer.
Speaker: You plant the seed, you take care of the seed, you nourish it, you water it, you weed, you do all those things, but you have zero control of the outcome. Correct. Correct. um The same seed seeded side by side inside a field.
Speaker: One may produce 100 kernels. the other one may produce 10 kernels. You try to help it. Like I said, you you fertilize it. You do all those things. But the result is left in the hands of of God. um Our goal isn't to make our kids more dependent on us. Our goal is to raise kids that are capable of being independent of us and more reliant on God. right So that's kind of what I want to pack unpack a little bit for those who are listening today. Maybe parents, maybe grandparents, aunts and uncles who may have custody of kids that are in unfortunate situations. want to help them understand the ultimate goal of this. um
Speaker: So respond to this thought. um More is caught by a child about life than is taught. Well, it's the whole that it goes back to that old saying, your actions speak louder than your words. They're watching everything that you're doing. They're watching how you're treating the waitress at the restaurant. They're watching how you they treat people, even in their own family or at church when you walk in on a Sunday morning or at the ball field or whatever. They're watching all of that, and that is what they're going to remember, how you made them feel and how you made other people feel. Yeah, yeah there's not a whole lot of...
Speaker: I would say even sit down teaching moments in the life of you with your kids. I mean, we want that, you know, we sit down and we're teaching them things like, Hey, this is what we don't do. You know, this is what I heard happened at school. This is, yeah this was just a recent thing. Um, uh, one of my, um son's teachers. Yes. One of my son's teachers, uh, came up and said, Hey, this is what's going on. And I had that teachable moment where I got to sit down and talk to him, but guess what?
Speaker: Most of that doesn't get alleviated because I had one conversation, of the teaching moment. It's because I go and say, this is how you interact. This is how you treat people with respect. Whenever you're in front of them, you give them full attention and guess what?
Speaker: It can take a long time. It's sometimes you can't just rely on, oh okay. I told him once or I showed him twice. It's years. So yeah, for sure I think it's essential that parents understand it's more important that you be genuine and authentic in the way you live than be perfect. and Yeah, you live for sure. In fact, I think some of the best lessons you can teach your children is how you handle your own mistakes yeah and even your own sin.
Speaker: um I think it's incredible teaching moments for for kids when a parent admits, hey, I made a mistake. I probably overreacted. Shouldn't have it that way. Shouldn't have screamed at your mom or your dad. yeah Those are opportunities for kids to learn. And I think one of the things that um I kind of emphasize a lot with people when we're doing marriage counseling is <unk>s there's nothing wrong with your kids your kids seeing you disagree about things. Right. I just had this conversation with somebody in our church a few weeks ago. They said we...
Speaker: are having a lot of guilt because we had an argument in front of our daughter. And I said, listen, now is an opportunity for you now to show what forgiveness and mercy looks like to your child. Bring her in that conversation and say, hey, mom and dad disagreed here. This is now what's happened. it's It's okay to do that. They need to see real life instead of perfection because when they see perfection, then that's what they're going to expect in life. And right and we all know that's not reality. Right.
Speaker: I mean, I've actually sat with teenagers that have had these horrible thoughts because they're going, Mom and Dad had a fight. I've never seen them fight before. And I'm like, well, that's actually probably more realistic. It wasn't my teenager. Yeah. It's probably more realistic to see parents who have disagreements and to understand, contrary to what the culture teaches us nowadays, you can disagree with somebody and love them deeply. Absolutely. And it's okay. What a novel concept. I know. Right. yeah right Seems like Jesus probably taught us some things about that, didn't he? Yes. Yeah. I think this is why the Shema says very specifically, teach these things to your kid as you walk, as you sit, as you stand. As you're going out and going in coming in, it is, you let your kids do life alongside of you and use that as instructional moments in their lives. Right, for sure.
Speaker: It's absolutely important. um So what are some things your children learn from you? that you never really intentionally teach them?
Speaker: Things that you they they watch and they go, ooh. I'm not talking about bad words now. Oh, no. No. What are some things that your kids learned from you just by watching and going, oh, i Dad showed me that, or I learned that from watching Mom do? I would say one of the first things that I thought of, and it kind of pulls up my heartstrings a little bit because I have found out more in my adulthood that I can be critical.
Speaker: I can be really critical of things. yeah Sometimes of people, whenever i I got the own, you know, problem just in the flesh right here. And I see that in my kids pointing out other things and being critical. And it all almost has shifted my parenting a little bit to say, Ooh, I don't want them to, it's fine to try to be, um evaluating things and seeing how we can get better. But to always be looking at life with the critical lens, that's one of those areas where I look back on some things over the past few years and think, man, I could have done a little bit better. Just how do we look at it in constructive ways, not just critical ways? Yeah.
Speaker: right, so let's talk about the area that I think probably comes to mind a lot when people talk about difficult parenting, and that is the area of discipline, punishment, correction, those kinds of things. Because I think many times what we see in in a lot of parents is these extremes. You have people who just they want to they want to be their kid's best friend. They can't bring themselves to... to do any kind of correction. Then you got some who are on the other end who are like, man, they are like military drill sergeants and they're to crack down and that kid's not going to embarrass them with their behavior. And I think inside of those two, in the middle of those two is obviously this this place where God wants us to dwell with our kids. One of my favorite resources I used when my kids were little was a book called Shepherding a Child's Heart. And it talked about getting to the root of the issue of the problem. no Because a lot of times we just want to be like, hey, stop bouncing on that or stop stop doing that. But really what they were doing was maybe either seeking attention or... they you know There's always there's always a why behind it. So that's something I tried to try to do early and I try to tell parents now. Try to find the why to the behavior that they're doing and and get to the root of the problem instead of just correcting that immediate behavior. Yeah, correct the behavior, but then keep going. Don't just stop doing that. Tell them why to stop doing that.
Speaker: you know explain and get to the get to the root issue. I would say too, like don't put this parent's parenting skills up on a pedestal and then implement that implement those things totally with your kid. Your kid's different than that kid. yeah um I've got experiences where sometimes a physical punishment where i might spank my son I might spank my daughter and guess what?
Speaker: for this season of their life that works. Yeah. Other times, yes guess what? yeah You're going to go sit over here or you're going to do this type of manual labor. it just, there's different seasons, there's different forms that it takes on. So nothing's cookie cutter. No. And you have to be consistent. Like, yes, I think a lot of parents jump around from being, oh it will be gentle here or we'll be really strict here. And the kids have no idea what to expect. if you're being consistent, um, If you're consistently using a spanking spoon or you're consistently putting them in timeout, whatever it is for that season. Because like like you said, like my son's 15 now. Spanking doesn't work anymore. First of all, he's way stronger than I am. But different things work for him. Taking things away works for him now. And and I can't.
Speaker: I mean, anyway. So it's different. Different seasons require different types. I think you make a great point because if you're going to guide the heart of your child, you have to know the heart of your child. And I think that's the part where a lot of parenting just drops off the cliff. We don't take time to know our kids and understand the differences between them. Growing up, I never, I could be wrong, but I never remember my two older sisters ever being spanked.
Speaker: They didn't have to be. Mom and dad corrected them. Me, mom and dad wore boards out of my book for years because that was the only way they could get my attention. Yeah. And when it came time for me to parent my kids, especially for my two, for my first marriage, I had a daughter and two sons. And the daughter, i mean, all I had to do was look at her with strong voice. And she would, man, she would respond. she She'd confess sins I never knew she had done, you know, just because she was remorseful. But um yeah, when my son spanking did no good, there were other things we had to do.
Speaker: um So, yeah again, you have to know the personality, the heart, the will of your child before you can do the right thing in guiding heart child. Well, you also have to check your own heart. True. Because you can become angry and then it results in not a great situation. great point. you have to go back. And that's ah other time another time other time. Another time you can go back and say, hey, you know what? I didn't react this way and I need to apologize to you. I mean, i've we've both done that. Keith and I have both done that. Direction over emotion. Because there's sometimes where our kids will get on our last nerve. Like they keep pushing the buttons. But where are we directing them a year from now or two, three years from now?
Speaker: yeah All right. So I know both of your parents. Oh, okay. Yes, you do. I know your yours. know yours. um If they were sitting here today, what do you think they would tell you is the biggest difference between trying to raise godly children 30 years ago versus you raising your children today?
Speaker: Oh, would for sure be the distractions that the kids have these days. Yeah. And I'm not just talking about phones. There's a lot of other things that are distracting. Travel sports.
Speaker: I mean, there's that was not really a thing when we were kids. I mean, it just wasn't. no I mean, even comparison, I think it's worse now than it was when my kid my parents were raising me. The transfer of information is so broad and so quick nowadays. Yes. My kids were exposed to things I didn't know till college. Oh, yeah. Yeah. you know Yeah. so Well, you mentioned it, too. i want to say this social media influence, not just of comparison, but and there is a comparison level, but it's almost this we have to adopt the ideology of the mom who's got all the clicks and likes or the parents who have the biggest following. Oh, we need to raise kids like they raise kids.
Speaker: No, we just mentioned it. Your kids are unique and you are the only parent fitted for them. So look at parenting that way and, you know, eliminate to your point, the distractions. Yeah. I saw a clip from a comedian earlier this week. can't remember his name. I would give him credit, but he said, we're raising the entire generation that has never been on a road trip without a device in their hand. yeah Yeah. He said, you remember you used to ride down the road and you would get bored and you'd start to play the ABC game or you would talk about cows and pigs or look at that, you know, whatever. He said, they never look out the window. no but you have to make the choice to make them look out the window. Right, exactly.
Speaker: And that's where that's the difference between parenting and just being a friend. yeah you know I'm going to hand you something to entertain you for eight hours and instead of, hey, let's have a conversation in the car or let's play a game together. yeah you know Those kinds of things. I think, yeah, absolutely. um John and I were talking yesterday about something completely unrelated, more on the lines of marriage, because we're working on a great marriage conference you'll be hearing more about later on. im Excited about that. But he was asking me yesterday when we talked about this, one of the biggest things that parenting and marriages and things like that today face is being overwhelmed. Mm-hmm. Because there are so many demands from everybody, the expectations that are put on you. A lot of it is media-driven, whether it's you know some TV show that says this is the way you should do it or whatever. I remember growing up, and I know I'm like aging myself, when we got cable TV and we got the super station, WTBS, out of Atlanta, Georgia, we thought we had arrived. I mean, we were getting Braves games. We had six or seven channels. Now there's 1,000 channels with the Just at our ESPN. Right. Yeah, exactly. ESPN Ocho. With about ah you know five billion different ideas and thoughts about how things should happen.
Speaker: Where do you draw a line for all that to protect your kids nowadays? Because you don't want them to grow up in a shell that they don't have any understanding. But at the same time, it's not very far from protection to too much exposure. Right. So where do you where do you draw the line for kids? For us, we have a young adult and a teenager. Our young adult doesn't live with us, but our teenager does. weve We have tried to teach him how to use these things because they're going to use it. And I think i said this I've said this before in a podcast. You're not going to just hand your kids the key to a car and say, go drive. you're going to teach them how to drive. You're going give them a grace period. You're going to take them on some back roads. You're going to give them worst case scenarios. It's the same thing with all of that. You have to teach them how to use it.
Speaker: they're going to find a way to do it. yeah Whether we want them to or not, they're going to find a way to get all these apps. I mean, now they've got apps that hide apps. like it's right It's wild. yeah um But you have to teach them and create a very safe space for them that they can come to you. yeah My young adult comes to me all the time, and some of the conversations are hard, and that's okay. I'm thankful. i'm thankful I get to have those hard conversations. And our son now...
Speaker: He's not quite as vocal as she was as part of his little personality, but he knows he can call us and come talk to us. I think having that open communication and teaching them how to use it.
Speaker: Yeah. Less is more. Yes. ah the The whole idea of let's have more things, more stuff, more stuff to do. um Just because you got free space or you got free dollars you got whatever, we've created so much of a...
Speaker: consumeristic society that says when you got more stuff, you're good. Yeah. And you just don't, what you do is you have chaos and anxiousness. And so what we've found is over the last few months, man, we just love sitting back on the back porch and we love doing those things where we just, it's okay to breathe. You don't have to schedule something. Yeah. Go on a walk. That's been one of the greatest things that we have taught our kids is to get out and go do something without looking at a screen. Well, and when you said parents are overwhelmed, I just read this in Galatians, but it's that, I mean, we've read this verse a hundred times, but it's Galatians 6, 9. Let us not get tired of doing good we will reap at the proper time if we don't give up. Parenting is hard and it's very tiring, but don't.
Speaker: Don't grow weary. i mean, you're doing good things, you know. And here's an opportunity just to throw in a little bit of a commercial. This is why you need the church. For sure. um It's easy when you're doing it by yourself to get very overwhelmed by all these things. But it can't be solely the church's responsibility either. You have to be discipling them at home. You have to be showing them and modeling them, hey this is what it looks like.
Speaker: It's not just the church's job. Church is resource and come side. was actually referring more to the side of community being around you. I got you. Oh, yes. Okay. To encourage you a parent. We thinking two different things. Discipling should start at home and be augmented by what goes in the church. And people flip that a lot. Yeah. There's a saying I put on here because I thought it was really, really good on our talking notes. It's not the job of the parent to prepare the road for the child. It's the job of the parent to prepare the child for the road. The difference is you can't go out and smooth out every difficulty. You can't remove every obstacle. You can't take away every challenge, but you can prepare their heart and mind to be ready for those moments to have those important conversations. Because if you do, because that was partially done for me, when you pave the way,
Speaker: when Then when they get to a bump in the road, they have no idea what to do. It's what happened. It's part of my testimony. yeah My parents were incredible parents, and they protected me from a lot of harm, and I'm very thankful for that. But when I got to school and college, I was away from them, and I made some really bad decisions. I didn't know what to do.
Speaker: i I'd never really faced a problem. mean, truly. So it was, don't don't let them... fall all the time, but and teach them when they do fall, this is what, you know, we, yeah, we tell them what not to do, but tell them what to do then when that, if and when that does happen.
Speaker: You probably needed a better student minister when you were growing up. It wasn't your fault, I promise. ah You talked about this earlier. i think it's really important, a reminder. We parent through seasons. You can't treat your toddler like a teenager. You can't, you can't teach your teenager. Teach teenager like ah an adult. You move at some point from this idea of being...
Speaker: the commander in chief to be a more like a coach. Yeah. And then you're a spectator. Yeah. Then it's just kind of like you're more of a companion along the way. You know, I'm here to, to help you. I still want to be here. And that's a, that's a hard challenge for kids coming from the other side of it. Cause they have to move from honor and obey your parents to just respecting your parents. Cause I believe when you become an adult, you're no longer required to obey them. You've established your own household. your own values, those kinds of things, but you are still commanded by God to respect your parents. right And there's a difference between the two. So, I mean, there's there's this whole lot of metamorphosis that's going on as people are changing and shifting into different roles. oh yeah How do you balance that as a parent?
Speaker: You're right in the middle of it. can't speak to this. I am right in the middle of it. And I think one of the things for us is we've had to give each other a lot of grace. And we've had to, he and I have had to really communicate as to how we're going to do this. And I was watching podcast on young adults, parenting young adults, because it's not really something a whole lot of people talk about. Yeah.
Speaker: And it compared it to you've been in the front seat with your kid their whole life, sometimes driving, sometimes right beside him. But now you have to get in the back, sometimes in the third row. You really have to get you know in the back of the car and just be present. Nobody really likes a backseat driver. But something somebody very wise told me is when they come to you, because to to you, do you want me to listen or do you want my advice? Sometimes they just need to talk to you. Right. So, I mean, I don't know. don't have figured it out. Every day is a new day, and we give each other lots of... Keith and I give each other lots of grace, but I've told my kids, too. I said, this is the first time I've ever parented a 19-year-old and 15-year-old. You've got to give me some grace, too. I'm learning how to do this just like you're learning how to be a young adult and a teenager. So, I don't know. I don't have it all figured out. So, you've been a parent 19 years now? Yes, sir. And you've been a parent for... Nine years. years and change yeah Nine years now.
Speaker: ah Sitting right here today... going second to think about this. What is one thing you wish you had known when you started that would have changed the way you parented?
Speaker: Oh, for me, for how fast it goes. was ready. Yeah, well, because i we've been in this, it's got it goes so fast. And people have told me that, but I don't think I really realized how fast it was. And I think I would have slowed down a little bit more and and really enjoyed. I did. i tried to be I tried to enjoy my kids. I was always involved in everything that they did. But I think I would have tried to slow down a little bit even The things that seemed urgent then aren't so urgent now, are they? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the fresh reminder and kind of ties into that value the face to face time. When I look at my daughter in her eyes, ah and she has other times to where she just comes up to me and gives me a hug. And I hear from mom, you know, my wife that will say,
Speaker: she missed you today. And I just, I savor it a little bit more. I taste it just a little bit more. Whenever I give them that face to face attention, i look at them and say, man, God has blessed me immensely. And I need to start taking advantage of it because whenever yeah I held my daughter,
Speaker: Nine something years ago and some change, I didn't know what I knew now. um That man, that every waking moment. Yeah. and Let me just stop here for a second and just say something. I don't think that anybody ever is ready to parent.
Speaker: No. Nobody knows all the answers. Nobody has everything lined up. if you If you think you got it all figured out, you better put time out on your but your life and sit down and examine yourself. No kidding. I believe that one of the intentional plans that God had when he put together the idea of parenting is your children are gonna be part of the refining process for you. Oh, yeah, for sure. They're going to humble you because you don't know everything. They're going to test your patience. For sure. and you're going to pray probably more than you ever have in your life. absolutely Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Especially when your kid starts driving. Holy cow. And you're talking about time flying. I'm about to have my seventh grandchild in about a month. So wow I'm sitting here going, dude, how did I get so old so fast? Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, I would have slowed down. and i Yeah, I would have slowed down a little bit. So um let me just say a couple of quick things comment wise. If you want to respond to them, fine. If not, then we'll just kind of bring us all to close. Number one, there's no such thing as a perfect parent. That's exactly right. Give yourself grace. Yes.
Speaker: right Like you said, it there's ah ah it I think it does. It creates a greater dependence on God when you go through parenting, if that's your goal. ah Every parent has regrets and things they wish they had done differently. You are not the exception. oh That's right. As a pastor, good Lord, there many things I wish I had done differently and and changed. Yeah. God can work through your weaknesses and mistakes just like he can work through your strengths and and talents. yeah I feel like there are times where I parented better in my weaknesses because Scripture says, in my weakness, he is made strong. yeah
Speaker: So, yeah. yep pre evident I think this next one is very, very important. It's never too late to build a healthy relationship with your kid. It's harder the older you get, but it's never too late. God's grace can do a whole lot of mending in those situations. ah Our hope is not in our ability to parent perfectly, but it is in God's grace and faithfulness as we try to parent.
Speaker: Right. um I think for me, there were many times as a parent that I reminded myself that God said, I will never leave you nor forsake you. He had that in mind. He had this parent who was swamped.
Speaker: He was going, the calendar's not, got no space. My life is too busy. I'm too overwhelmed. We're not getting along. They're headed one way. I'm headed another. Seems like we're always butting heads.
Speaker: And God says, I won't leave you. I think a reminder I tell a lot of parents too is God loves your child way more than you ever will. And when you trust that he's going to he's writing their story, not you. yes Just let it happen. He's going to write a better story than we ever will. And that is so hard because we want to just, we think we know what's best, but we have to remember that he loves them far more than we ever will. So I'm going to throw this out here just as a word of encouragement for those you who are raising preschoolers and elementary kids and even those teenagers who are going through puberty and adolescence all that kind stuff. It doesn't get easier.
Speaker: No. let's go they they become adults all right john They become adults and they still have those things that you know you just kind of go, what whered you picked that habit up from your mother, didn't you? But every season also yeah is can be really sweet and fun because there's new cool things in every little season that's that's fun. Without going into great detail because it's really not mine to talk about, the last two months I have watched my oldest daughter and my wife go through a season of very low valley to a very, very high sweet moment just in a couple of weeks. And it's just been sweet to watch. I did the smart thing as a dad and stayed out of it. Yeah.
Speaker: Probably because Lisa told me to. But yeah know it's the same. it's Your kids, when they're toddlers, are really not so different when they become adults in a lot of ways. There's emotions that have to be dealt with and changes that are going on, and you're you're really not that different. so But don't forget to enjoy it, too. Don't be so stressed and overwhelmed that you're exhausted and just wish they, oh, can't wait until they can do this or I can't wait until they can do that. Just enjoy Try to enjoy it and try to find the great, because there are great things. i mean Well, we just said you can't you you can't be a perfect parent. You also can't raise a perfect child. Correct. wo so Yes, that's very correct. Living proof. Takes the stress off. Yeah, absolutely. So I'm going to close with this statement. I think it's a really powerful statement for all of us. You can't make your children love Jesus, but you can make sure they grow up understanding what loving Jesus looks like. That's right.
Speaker: So you you can't take full responsibility for everything your children will become, but you can take absolutely every bit of responsibility for who you are in front of them. So that's the best place to start your parenting. Absolutely. All right, Lori, thanks for joining us today. Thanks for having me. In honor of that, can you pray for as we close today? Sure, would love to. Thanks.
Speaker: Father God, thank you for trusting us with these children and these grandchildren and these nieces and nephews. And Father, we know that every good gift comes from you and that your children and our children are good. Father, just encourage us in the valleys and just give us the wisdom to parent them the way that you desire us to. Father, i just ask that this encourage one parent today, that they are not alone and that they will that you love their child way more than they ever will. It's in your son's name we pray. Amen.
Speaker: Okay, so for those you are out there listening today and you're frustrated, you're discouraged, maybe even questioning your ability to be parenting, um... I think the strongest thing I can tell you is, number one, be in the Word. Absolutely. Best teaching book in the world right there. Number two, be in His church because there are people there who can walk with you, encourage you, even hold you accountable when you need to be reminded what the role is as you're going through it. We would love to be that church for you. If you're in our area, we'd love for you to come visit us, be a part of our worship services. Starting November the 1st, we are at 9 and 1045 right here in our new building behind me. You can't see it. There's a wall, but um out here behind us, great place for you to come join us in worship, and we would love to walk that journey with you in the meantime. Feel free to reach out at any point. And, of course, we would love it. Be honored if you would like and share this with others and see if it might be a blessing to them. Thanks again for joining us. We look forward to having you back next week as we unpack some other amazing life secrets yet to be discovered. Let's go.
