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Speaker: Hi everyone. In this episode, Helen introduces Sarah to the work of J .K. Scheindlin, the self -described Most censored man on the internet.
Speaker: Is he a truth -telling patriot who is so terrified the elites that they will stop at nothing to shut him down? or a racist crank beaten into incoherence by the internet. Listener.
Speaker: We'll leave that for you to decide. There's really nothing real. There is no real. And that's that's what's called the postmodern mentality. I couldn't resist the world's racist remark. The adventure of life justifies its suffering. I don't want to see him having political succubus with goblins. We'll do it live. Is Trump going to have babies with a goblin? We'll do it live! And turn against us like Darth Vader?
Speaker: Do it live! Now listen, you cunt. I'll smack you in your goddamn face and you'll... stay plastered. I was going to have a guest speaker but the person I had invited in died.
Speaker: some level of masochism.
Speaker: This is Helen. This is Sarah. Welcome to Odium Symposium. a podcast about the production of bigotry. First, we want to thank our new Odium connoisseur. Thank you to Helen. Thank you, thank you. Yeah, just a reminder, you can join our Patreon at patreon .com slash odium symposium for $5 a month.
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Speaker: Yeah, usually we'll have like one or two ideas, ah you know, sometimes more after an episode is done recording that like, oh, we didn't get to that. And so Sarah's been been writing a little like been writing some good posts about those. You should definitely check those out.
Speaker: Okay. Past couple weeks, I was like... Not really sure what I wanted to do. I had a couple ideas, but nothing I was that enthused about. And... I also was starting to think about like... okay we've been doing all of these big names recently like We've done All these people that...
Speaker: You would sort of know about Presumably already. And when we first started doing the podcast, that really wasn't how I envisioned like what the podcast might be. The idea was like...
Speaker: We're going to sort of dig up. like, vile creatures from, you know, under a rock somewhere. And then I went on to do, like, Enoch Powell and Louis Althusser and Jean -Jacques Rousseau and, like, all these people that we know are, like, Ayn Rand. And I think we've... lost sight a little bit of the potential. for obscure guys.
Speaker: okay so we're definitely like turning over a rock here and we're seeing one of the creepiest bugs, but this bug has been staying under the rock. He's a secret. Yeah, so...
Speaker: I was trying to think about, like, okay, I mean, in a way... You know, I think part of it is I've talked before about like wanting to avoid sort of great man history, right? I don't want to give the impression that like bigotry is like.
Speaker: There's like a dozen really important big bigots who produce all of it, right? Like it's really like a, it's a whole social thing. And so this is a guy. The the big asshole theory of history. Exactly. I don't want the big asshole theory of history. I want to find the many small assholes that are responsible for their own, you know...
Speaker: moderate spigots of shit into into our society. And so... I was at a bookstore. And... It's got a shelf that's got like... Anarchy and...
Speaker: occult and just high weirdness books kind of all grouped together and like Real anarchy stuff. I saw stuff I've seen works from Kropotkin and Emma Goldman and also more recently Zapatista stuff.
Speaker: But then next to just like... Yeah, random occult spirituality. this sort of thing. And I saw a book there that was like all black. And...
Speaker: I was like, that's weird. It's like weird to find a book and all like with a cover that's just like pure black. And I pulled it out. And the only thing on the cover. The back cover was totally black. The only thing on the front cover was in block letters, white text.
Speaker: Censored. And I was like... Oh. This is gonna be good. So I flipped through it And I was like, immediately...
Speaker: I found it. This is an Odium episode. So... I made note of it. I went home. I started researching him. The author's name is J .K. Scheindlin.
Speaker: Have you ever heard of this guy? Absolutely not. I gotta tell you, those first two letters, JK, extremely ominous. Yeah. I mean, what's also funny... Is that...
Speaker: Shindlin? I... I actually had a really hard time... finding out info about this guy. because Shindlin is the last name of Judge Judy.
Speaker: Judge Judy is Judy Scheindlin. So like Jay Scheindlin has like a billion results on Google and none of them are about this guy. Should have SEO'd his name better.
Speaker: No wonder he's not famous. Well... He has some... Explanations for why he's not famous. And so, yeah, he's not on his own like really a big deal. I don't think he's really like changed history in any major way.
Speaker: Basically... He's got three books. and I want to talk to you about his three books. His first book... I'm going to send you the cover to his first book. I just want you to read like the title of the subhead. and just the vibe of this book cover. Oh.
Speaker: Oh, this is... Yeah. The people versus Muhammad. Subtitle, psychological analysis. and the cover is kind of stark and severe. We've got these letters and sort of like...
Speaker: CIA a white font in the middle. you know like you might see on the X -Files or something. Yeah. There's this... American flag that's kind of shrouded in darkness flying in and the upper side of the book. And then these letters that I'm pretty sure are supposed to be Absolutely terrifying to me. there There's Arabic writing on the bottom half.
Speaker: Oh yeah, you're not terrified by Arabic writing? i can handle it i can handle it So yeah, there's some Arabic writing on here. It's... Clearly, like...
Speaker: It looks very self -published cover to me, right? Like this is very like... Yeah, it looks like dog shit. Yeah. yeah So we haven't really covered, I guess that's not totally true. We did talk about this with like Camp of the Saints, but we haven't really covered like Islamophobia so much on this podcast so directly.
Speaker: So... i mean it's It's come up ah in other conversations. This is this guy, like his big thing is Islamophobia. So I think this is going to be... kind of the first episode where we really talk about that.
Speaker: And so I was getting ready to like do a bunch more research and try to contextualize this with Islamophobia and then you'll see like that ended up not really being necessary. This was one of the guys who I kept trying to think about different theory or frameworks to bring.
Speaker: But all of it felt like a little overcooked. Because there's really just not that much here. So let's see what is here and let's see what we can do with it. Okay. He's got like a little bit like about his project at the beginning of the book, and here's what he has to say.
Speaker: J .K. Shineland. is a passionate contributor to the fight against injustice and the growing threat of universal censorship. Universal censorship.
Speaker: Oh my god, that's so much more terrifying than regular censorship. The author has spent years researching the true origins of Islam and has actively documented the rise of i Islamization in Western countries.
Speaker: JK wishes to an extend an invitation of reason and... common sense to any group who seem incapable of opening their eyes to the truth.
Speaker: and debating intelligently. without violent retaliation. This book is dedicated to the innocent victims who have been slain in the name of Muhammad and his religion.
Speaker: Islam. Big victims of communism. vibes right here oh yeah May mankind reason intelligently together. quote, come, let us reason together.
Speaker: End quote. Isaiah 1 .18 Quote, All that is necessary for the triumph of evil. is that good men do nothing. End quote. Edmund Burke.
Speaker: Quote, Power corrupts. An absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. End quote. Lord Acton. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker: I think I'm getting a sense of like... how his argument is going to proceed here. Oh, I don't think you do ah okay maybe i should hold off on my predictions then no but yeah what's your let's let's hear it let's what are you getting so far because there's some twists and turns Okay, so first off...
Speaker: This view of Islam is intensely personalized. like Whenever we talk about Islam, we're going to be talking about Muhammad. And his whole deal. I mean, it said, like, psychological analysis on the cover. Yep. So...
Speaker: he's goingnna be He's gonna be the guy who stands in for all the present -day Muslims that you might see. Just like yeah on the streets or something. Secretly. They're Muhammad. And. not so secretly. Muhammad is like, I don't know.
Speaker: A pedophile. a murder, like all this shit. Whatever. Yeah. Second, There's kind of like a little bit of classical liberal bullshit going on here. Oh Let us reason together. Let us debate intelligently. Let us...
Speaker: Use common sense. And like... ah Only a fool would try and debate with someone who is like... coming in with this much obvious Islamophobia.
Speaker: I mean, this guy, i don't I don't believe that he feels obliged to take words seriously. So, like... well why would i debate him nobody nobody does i'm sure nobody like takes him seriously And argues with him that way. Typical Marxist liberal, Sarah. you're not You're not debating. You're just dismissing him out of hand. You're not debating him.
Speaker: I am, and that's called postmodernism. I'm being postmodern. Yeah. There is no truth. There is no such thing as truth. That's what's called the postmodern mentality.
Speaker: Okay, last thing here. He brings in power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely Okay, so... It is probably his view.
Speaker: that in American society at this time or Canadian society, wherever he's from. Islam? is in a sentence.
Speaker: It's all around us. It's controlling us. It's controlling how we talk to each other. It's controlling the media, Helen. It's censoring us. It's universally censoring, which is like normal censoring, but like...
Speaker: Fucking universal, man. It's fucking terrifying. Yeah. I gotta tell you, I do not feel like actually Muslims are the dominant members of our society. No, you don't feel that?
Speaker: I'm open -minded. I'm willing to be proven wrong. I'm sure he's gonna have evidence for that. Yeah. Bye. I think there's a lot to say about what you just put up there. like A lot of that is going to come up, and so I want to kind of hold off on expanding on it too much, because I think...
Speaker: Some of what you said is like absolutely we're gonna see that play out and some of it I think you might be a little surprised I think he might even be worse than you were expecting. I do think this quotes thing is very funny. I didn't clip too many of the other ones. There's like, there's so many quotes. He loves quotes. And it's always like exactly the ones you think. It's never like anything.
Speaker: Literally in one of his books, at one of his chapters, he... uses the like to find out who's ruling over you find out who you're not allowed to criticize voltaire which like voltaire did not say and no so like no that's the level that's attributable to a neo -nazi that's what's going on yeah Yeah, so...
Speaker: Anyway. wgger So that's massive guy energy on that. There's so much stupid guy energy. So there's a bunch of stuff here, and I want to start off with this idea. that this is a really like personal narrative, because I think there's something interesting going on here. So like, I think the longest excerpt is like the first couple of pages. So he has this like,
Speaker: About the author which is what we just read or like about the project kind of and then he's got this chapter my story And I want us to read basically... It's going to end up being about half of that section, but I've broken it up into pieces so we can take it piece by piece. So here's the first chunk. When I was young,
Speaker: I was completely oblivious to what Islam was. even though I was somewhat aware of its existence. and the fact that it was regarded as a religion. Hmm. I hardly ever heard the name spoken.
Speaker: and neither did I know what exactly a Muslim was. From my limited knowledge and out of sheer ignorance, Due to my... peaceful, and accommodating western upbringing.
Speaker: And fucking dying. Yeah. I believe that Christianity... Judaism and Islam. We're virtually identical in belief. For all I cared.
Speaker: All three faiths worship the same God. though had different albeit minor interpretations of theology in general. nonetheless I still regarded Islam as a benign religion.
Speaker: which, like Judaism and Christianity, preached about bringing peace, harmony and cohesion to the world. Surely Islam was a faith bound by commandments to love thy neighbor and respect all human life.
Speaker: I. was incredibly Naive. Okay. What are your thoughts so far? I'm really enjoying the idea that having a peaceful and accommodating Western upbringing, whatever that means, makes you fucking pig stupid.
Speaker: Makes you totally ignorant. Like... Of course, for him... this supposed peaceful and accommodating Western upbringing is like the highest virtue.
Speaker: It's a precious flower, which lies in our garden in which these terrifying Muslims are coming to pluck, to destroy. But like he's also like, yeah, it makes you a fucking moron. And also like,
Speaker: At this very moment? We're bombing Iran? We invaded Iraq 25 years ago? like Well... This peaceful and accommodating Western upbringing, like...
Speaker: Where is it? Yeah. For real. Okay, so here's how he continues. I was in my early 20s when a particular incident occurred which changed the world's trajectory to spiral into the state of paranoia and fear. It has become today.
Speaker: On September 11th, 2001 I vividly remember sitting up in bed late one night. watching TV. I reached over to my lamp. just about to turn off the light when suddenly a news bulletin flashed across my television set.
Speaker: America under attack. ah Okay. I have questions about like... The timing here. No, we're going to get to that. Okay.
Speaker: My heart raced and my stomach sank as I witnessed those two magnificent skyscrapers, invariably icons of American freedom and financial success.
Speaker: crumbling before my eyes. The news anchor forced back her tears, which proceeded with an ominous silence which spoke more than she could ever say. It was horror.
Speaker: Pure. Horror. still in shock and processing the images in my mind. I quickly woke everyone in my house to give the dire news. in less than a minute.
Speaker: My entire family all met in the living room. Faces pale, astonished. struggling to comprehend the tragedy. The unspoken question which was on all our lips.
Speaker: Why? We stood together. shaking our heads, trying to articulate coherent sentences to describe the savagery unleashed. on those poor. innocent civilians.
Speaker: I love the image of the whole family just like standing around, just shaking their heads in disapproval. Like, oh. Oh man, that was no good. I didn't like that. also Lake.
Speaker: Okay. There's a lot of questions here. 9 -11 famously happened in the morning Like... Yeah, roughly 9 a .m. Eastern time.
Speaker: So... He wasn't anywhere in America, if we believe this account. The only place he could really be... For this to make sense is like New Zealand.
Speaker: like What place would be in the right time zone for it to be like... late... but not But he'd be awake watching TV, but the rest of the family would be asleep.
Speaker: Also, like who was his family when he was in his like early 20s? Anyway, there's some... His spouse, his children, his grandchildren, his great -grandchildren. Seems straightforward. Exactly. Like it's kind of written that way but It doesn't really make sense.
Speaker: And I'm just gonna come clean here. I don't know. Where what country he was in like I I was not able to find any biographical information about this guy So...
Speaker: I just don't know like it's been rattling around in my head like I think he just was making this up. I think so. Like that makes a lot more sense than this guy was living in fucking New Zealand and wrote this book and somehow it ended up in and a bookshop in California. like I just don't.
Speaker: Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense. so he's just making stuff up But like... i get the vibe why would you make shit up about 9 11 one of the most famous events in world history like I think he's actually just stupid.
Speaker: Look. This book came out in 2016. So... It's like 15 years later. And... The whole thing has the vibe that he just like...
Speaker: sat down and wrote it in one sitting. Like I don't. So... You know who this guy is? he was just like This is the guy who ChatGPT is going to be so helpful for.
Speaker: yeah i'm not gonna lie like okay maybe maybe when you're writing it inhibits your creativity and it flattens your diction Good. He needs that. It's fucking steamroll that creativity.
Speaker: Destroy that diction. His doesn't work. ah Yeah. Yeah, I'm... I would have just... Not. taken this i mean i did not that i took it seriously but i would have just assumed this was ai slop honestly if it hadn't come out in 2016 like before the date when that would be possible We stayed up all night anticipating the worst.
Speaker: And within hours, We received an explanation from the American news networks which confirmed all our suspicions. the attacks or the work. of terrorists. Okay, the American news networks.
Speaker: So that's the thing, right? There's the American news networks, which is like he could be out of the country. But again, like he stayed up all night, which means like. He wasn't even... Because at first I was like, oh, maybe this guy was like a... like Maybe this guy was in Singapore or Taiwan, but like that doesn't really...
Speaker: line up timing -wise. with any of this. It's so confusing. I was adamant the event would spell the end of the world. Yeah, because you're just like a classic stupid guy.
Speaker: i mean My mind began to play out a series of catastrophic events. War, famine, a total apocalypse. For the most part, I was fortunately wrong.
Speaker: Yes. We did go to war. Oui, oui. And we spent over a decade hunting down the elusive mastermind. Osama Bin Laden.
Speaker: Ian Miles Chong, where are you? Where are you? So that's the thing where it's like okay American News Network, so maybe he wasn't in America, but then he does say we went to war Dude, this guy this guy is the elusive mastermind Yucks.
Speaker: Like we're just reading random excerpts from his book and I feel like I'm hunting Carmen Sandiego
Speaker: And yet, for the first time in my life... I was witness to the beginning of an endless war with an enemy we ultimately could not see. The media called it a war on terrorism, when really it was the inevitable confrontation with true Islam.
Speaker: I'm sorry. Why wouldn't he just say where he is? How can you just leave that information out? This is driving me nuts. Okay, I'm going to continue. After the invasion of Afghanistan, And as the immense cleanup of the WTC began,
Speaker: Embarrassed world leaders scurried to find a tangible and palatable explanation for the attacks, and how their security protocols could have been compromised so egregiously.
Speaker: Likewise, it was abundantly clear that mainstream media were forbidden from using the word Muslim Islam. in direct regards to terrorism,
Speaker: lest we be profiled as bigots or Racist? Yet, how could we deny that Islam did play a substantial part in the attacks?
Speaker: when all of the 19 hijackers. We're Muslim.
Speaker: Okay, I was... pretty young. when 9 -11 happened But I can assure you there was no taboo on saying the word Islam.
Speaker: Or on Talking to Pugs. Muslims after 9 -11. This country cracked the fuck down. It was racist as shit. shit in the media and the policy sphere and just in practice like The country was like super Islamophobic.
Speaker: This is total bullshit. This is just a lie. Yeah. Still, much to our own detriment and naivete, our leaders exercise a deplorable use of political correctness.
Speaker: as it seemed that the governmental echelon were terrified of upsetting an offending future. Muslim terrorists. Presidents and prime ministers alike. all emphatically pontificated that the Saudi Arabian Muslim terrorists did not represent any nation or ideology.
Speaker: and despite their feudal fumblings politicking and attempts to bolster diplomacy with an islamic oil -rich country whom many suspected had connections with those who funded the attacks.
Speaker: Ultimately, the public grew weary and distrustful and more suspicious of the powers that were Nonetheless, for the rational few who were awake during this tumultuous time it was abundantly clear We were in the midst.
Speaker: of an Islamic offensive.
Speaker: there is kind of like a kernel of truth that if you were a more effective propagandist you could try and build around which is the coziness between american power structures and saudi arabian power structures Which...
Speaker: yeah continues to this day like bin laden was a disaffected member of the saudi royal family and And we are very determined not to hold Saudi Arabia specifically to account for any of its like... horrible acts there's echoes of that idea that like anti -semitism is the socialism of fools right where you you have this idea which is like okay there actually is this exact kind of thing you're just talking about.
Speaker: But then you see this language of like... i don't know, the government echelon. or terrified right where it's like okay who are you talking about there right like that kind of reads to me like the globalists or you know the secret jewish conspiracy except now it's a secret muslim conspiracy right and like Not to say that this specifically is anti -Semitic, but it's like these are the...
Speaker: these are the language tools right these are the ideas that you kind of go to and it's like we saw with Camp of the Saints where there's like the version of it where he insists no this isn't about a religion and then there's like sort of the Jewish that the anti -semitic like anti -Jewish inflected elements.
Speaker: On versions of that and there's the islamophobic inflected versions of that and this so this is like the same kind of thing. I mean for the for people who were awake during this time right like I don't know if I ended up clipping any of them, but he does actually talk about he does use the word sheeple.
Speaker: in his books, like, oh pretty liberally. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you want to talk about... anti -semitism coming from like a leftist perspective we see Actually like a very similar game being played where it's very much in the perceived interests of the Israeli government to conflate Jewishness and Israel.
Speaker: and they promote that message and also if you happen to be someone who is like talking to an audience that is not a fan of like Israeli genocide that sort of thing then you are kind of like on board with that and you conflate the country of israel and judaism says to like attack.
Speaker: Jews and Really like we're seeing like a really similar rhetorical move here except he's conflating Saudi Arabia? And...
Speaker: Islam. Yeah. over the coming months the majority of western governments all continued to propagate the same sickly sweet message of political correctness to avert world -wide unrest and especially any criticism towards the Islamic ideology.
Speaker: Without a doubt. A liberal agenda was on the rise. The results were polarizing as the line between naive idealism and patriotic conservatism began to broaden.
Speaker: Firearm sails went through the roof and make shift. End of the world survival kits were unleashed onto the market. exploiting our greatest fears. Thankfully, however...
Speaker: The world did not end that year. Yet. Our way of life. did change for the worst. We lost faith in our national security. and the intelligence community.
Speaker: Likewise, with the rise of conspiracy theories, we didn't know what to believe or who to trust. And despite the list of unsuccessful post -911 attacks, the shoe bomber.
Speaker: Brooklyn Bridge Plot Virginia Jihad Network. which were all orchestrated. by Muslims. world leaders still continued to emphatically reject.
Speaker: they were linked to Islamic. terrorism.
Speaker: Okay, Carmen Sandiego. What do you mean? Our national security and the intelligence community. Are you from New Zealand? Like what?
Speaker: That's not your intelligence community. It's not, you know you don't have the CIA. The CIA is not your guys, man. For the record, like I think he's in America, and I think he was just like trying to make the scene of 9 -11 dramatic and didn't actually bother to think about like what time did it happen.
Speaker: Oh my god. Okay, I'll stop trying to put pieces of the only things with that puzzle together. Yeah. Like, I think he just wanted us to feel like we were up all night. That's such an inept lie. That's so fucking stupid, man. That's like the dog ate my homework of lying about Islam. like Why do you expect anyone to believe that? Going back to what you were saying earlier about like... No, it wasn't disallowed to say.
Speaker: it was muslims right like there was a huge spike in islamophobia there was this huge like social response of like government crackdown and... like a huge surge and just everyday Islamophobia in the U .S.
Speaker: he's talking about like anyone who pushed back on that like along with that incredible increase in Islamophobia, there was also Plenty of people in the US who are like, hey!
Speaker: It's... kind of not cool. like the way you're treating like every muslim person who lives in this country right now like it's kind of not okay that you are just like assuming that the Muslim family that lives down the street from you are all now terrorists. Like, that's actually extremely racist of you. And the fact that, like, 9 -11 just happened doesn't make that any less racist of you.
Speaker: He's talking about like mild social pushback as like... the liberal plot. and the rising liberal agenda and the censorship, right? It's such a like...
Speaker: martyrdom complex. It's so weird to read this and know that his mind is situated in this gap. between The 90s, when you still described everything you didn't like as communism?
Speaker: and now when you describe everything you don't like as communism. because like yeah if i were reading some like right wing crank writing the same thing today All of this would be about Marxism.
Speaker: Yeah. Well, it's interesting because he's writing this in 2016 so it's sort of He's writing about the early 2000s. But it is on this cusp. where Like...
Speaker: He's almost out of date with it. So remember that I said this is the first of three books he wrote. So we'll see. Where that goes. A couple of years later.
Speaker: I had remembered that sometime before the WTC attack, A friend. who was a Christian Bible student, had warned me that Islam's only desire is to take over the world.
Speaker: To be fair. I initially rejected the notion. still believing that all religions were benign in nature, after nine eleven however that statement continued to haunt me Yet my only explanation was that the terrorists were nothing more than Radical. Muslims.
Speaker: A misinformed group of murderous and disenfranchised zealots. who had hijacked their religion for political purposes. I. was incredibly Uninformed. Ugh.
Speaker: Yeah. I wonder if this guy is like... Evangelical? because this is like such an important element of evangelical denominations.
Speaker: is well it's interesting in the darkness and then coming to the light you know Not only that. But... I didn't, I mean I have the clips for more of this, but I think that it's...
Speaker: i Think we can stop reading this part here because I think you get his style and I can just he's so long -winded that I should just summarize Right after this, he basically says the rest of the like my story section.
Speaker: is he starts reading the Quran. He's like, I decided I had to, like... I had to study. and I learned about Islam. And I'm here to tell you the truth about Islam. that Right. I told you he wrote this in 2016. So he makes this claim that he's like, I spent the last decade.
Speaker: really understanding Islam. and I'm here to tell you about it. and Yeah, so he he ends the chapter. with this like Again, same thing. he He likes to repeat himself a lot when he like comes to a rhetorical form that he likes. He'll like do it a bunch of times.
Speaker: So he had the, like, I was incredibly naive earlier, and then he goes, I was incredibly uninformed, right? So... He then basically ties up the chapter with another one of these, like...
Speaker: and I present my case to my readers and let ah you know let you you'll you can decide and the choice is yours or he says like the choice is yours like three or four times three or four different ways like in the rest of this chapter he thinks that's i'm presenting my rational Yeah, I'm presenting the rational case that I've built up after studying the Quran for 10 years and you decide and the choice is yours. And it's just like... That's that's the ultimate intellectual trump card is you being like...
Speaker: My argument is so refined that I'm going to like cut you in half with it. I'm gonna walk away. I'm not even gonna watch your body slide into pieces onto the floor. Exactly. it's It's really that kind of vibe, right? Dude like like swinging around and then hitting himself in the balls with them.
Speaker: Okay. Actually, you know what you decide it really makes me think of? Is like fucking Burger King. Have it your way. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker: So what's in this book? So here's like Okay, so we've gotten... Who he is. Except not at all, because we don't even know like where he lives. or what he studies or anything like that. but who he is, a passionate fighter for the truth.
Speaker: His story, someone who late one night... Late one night at 9 o 'clock in the morning was... like, shocked into understanding by 9 11 and the ensuing crackdown against Islamophobia? His whole family works night shifts. It's a night shift family, okay? It's a normal thing.
Speaker: Exactly. So now... What's in the book? Let's face it. Audiences love a good court case. especially trials that involve freedom of speech or even crimes against humanity.
Speaker: Ironically. This book covers both topics. How is that ironic? Like, what's ironic about that? Not even slightly ironic. the pedant who is like, oh, actually, that's not irony. Like, I do hear myself doing that, and I'm like... I'm a fucking asshole. But, like, now here it just really gets to me. Like, that's not irony. I feel exactly the same way.
Speaker: I'm like such a descriptivist about language, like I really do not give a fuck if you quote unquote misuse it. But like... This really annoys me, this usage right here. yeah Oh my god.
Speaker: Also, Let's face it. audiences love a good court case. Why would that be something we need to like face? Like, oh oh, we wanted to keep this under wraps, but you know what? we're going to have to We're going to have to face up to the terrible truth. The audiences love a good court case.
Speaker: You're just scared of this brave truth teller who has come to - Face up to hard facts. throughout the decades gone by. We have seen some of the worst. awesome scum this planet has produced.
Speaker: So... Stupid ass. We have seen some of the most awesome scum. This planet is produced. face face righteous judgment before a jury of their peers.
Speaker: and have been held accountable for unspeakable acts of savagery. And cruelty. There isn't a person on this planet who doesn't feel insulted and hurt whenever any judicial system fails to punish those who have caused so much harm. to greater society.
Speaker: Likewise, Our Western society feels compelled by instinct alone to hold people accountable who practice deception and spiritual fraud.
Speaker: Sadly, It is seldom that religious charlatans are ever prosecuted. Well, I guess we don't feel that compelled by instinct alone then, do we? Like Islam.
Speaker: These fraudsters are only exercising their constitutional right to exploit their followers through Religious freedom. as a collective species.
Speaker: Justice runs in our veins. Okay. There's all these adjectives that for him, like... clearly stand in for just like a cloud of concepts and they're like totally unjustified as a collective species.
Speaker: Oh, our Western society feels compelled by instinct. What the fuck are you talking about? That doesn't mean anything. It always has. and always will.
Speaker: but to know what to judge and to hold accountable as a transgression against the law is to determine what exactly is right and wrong. And no it isn't.
Speaker: that's that's not That's not true. I'm sorry, I don't want to like nitpick every sentence, but that's such like a profound misinterpretation of what right and wrong is. like To determine what is legal is the same as determining what is right and wrong?
Speaker: No, yeah that's just factually incorrect. I mean, as a collective species, Sarah. Ironically, it is. Justice runs in our veins.
Speaker: Yeah, ironically, justice runs in our veins. You don't see the implications of justice running in our veins, isn't it obvious? Come on, you have to face up to the logical strength of that.
Speaker: yeah It is important to clarify this first as Islamic jurisprudence is polar opposite to our own morals. Firstly, we know it is wrong to silence to anyone and take away the right to free assembly and to vote.
Speaker: regardless of sex, race and sexual orientation. And, most importantly, we as western citizens know it is wrong for any citizen to harm or murder another no matter what the reason That. is our ethos.
Speaker: That. is who we are. that is our right and wrong. Totally wrong. Completely wrong. yeah Bottom to top. That's not with that. No. nothing everything Everything he said is wrong.
Speaker: also just Just killing me. I have a question. If you put someone in prison, does it take away their right to free assembly?
Speaker: I kind of think it does. I kind of think it does. like yeah well how do we as western citizens know what is wrong for any citizen to harm or murder another and yet like we can drop bombs on other countries like What kind of absolute are you building up here? like what Okay.
Speaker: Whatever. why Why does the status of citizenship impart that moral knowledge? Like if if I take the test and I get sworn in and as an American citizen does suddenly like The fucking Jack and the Matrix.
Speaker: Like... plug a bunch of knowledge about morality into my head. like Ugh. Okay. Abnormal. and Well, I mean, the part that you're missing is...
Speaker: Like race science. What? Like this is how these kinds of guys think about citizenship. Right leg. Right. Of course, right. It's an intuitive connection to the land.
Speaker: It occurs through your ancestry, right? Okay, we read Sartre. All right. Alright, alright. Also, it's reminding me, like I think I didn't really talk about this because our Scruton episode was already so long, but...
Speaker: ah One fun fact about Roger Scruton is that he's kind of like a wine. he was kind of like obsessed with wine. And he was really into the notion of terroir. Of course he is. He's a fucking pot.
Speaker: Yeah. But he was really into this idea of like terroir, because there's this notion in wine, which is true, which is that like where you grow the grapes really affects the wine. but it's for like chemical reasons right it's like the soil has different stuff in it the weather is different like the amount of sun all these things like physically affect one could even say the material conditions but he was like really obsessed with this idea that like french wine had the soul of france and like that was why So he was like a race scientist for wine as well.
Speaker: Okay. All right. i mean Anyway. Of course, part of the appeal for him is that this is... reflective of the broader concept of race science. like Exactly. so you know Oh, it must be that this concept about wine is like really important and worth paying attention to, because as we all know, the chemicals referred to as genes within humans determine our makeup. and our qualities.
Speaker: Yeah, but I bring this up here because like this is basically what this guy is saying is like as western citizens like it's in our blood this like cultural understanding It literally runs in our veins. Okay. Yeah, you have to believe that there's this kind of, like...
Speaker: yeah justice runs in our veins like i don't think that that's you know I don't think that's ironic this trial centres around one historical individual and the catastrophic ripple effect caused by his deplorable behaviour and personal exhortations Muhammad ibn Abdullah despite his extensive criminal rap sheet.
Speaker: Sorry, that's so funny. His extensive criminal rap sheet and deplorable record of human rights violations.
Speaker: The man has never stood trial for his callous behavior. Ironically, even one of the most revered religious figures in history Jesus of Nazareth.
Speaker: was tried and executed by his own people. For only exemplifying compassion, love, and grace. Well, I mean, it kind of sounds like putting a religious figure on trial isn't a great way of determining the moral validity of their message then, is it?
Speaker: It's a really confused passage, like... okay we've never put him on trial well yeah he's dead Like we don't usually put people who are dead on trial. Like, oh, they tried and executed Jesus. Yeah. That's like kind of part of the whole central thing.
Speaker: Right? Is that... Yeah. That was actually kind of a... A bad thing. That was a problem. Yeah. Anyway. this is also ironic helen Sanso!
Speaker: so ironic. Yeah, so okay. He's going to get into the case. So we see here, right? When he says like the people versus Muhammad. This isn't like...
Speaker: He's really committed to this framework. He's putting Muhammad on trial. This is like actually how he proceeds with the book. Like the book is written vaguely in this framework of like a trial. He's going he's going to fucking self -insert his Perry Mason moment against Muhammad.
Speaker: Yes. Ugh.
Speaker: Not exactly. And I didn't clip too much of it because it's honestly like you could already basically guess what it is to a large extent And... We already kind of know what this book is because we've already read enough of it.
Speaker: Like... I read the other 200 pages. Or like... Sorry. I read all 200 pages of this book. We've read maybe five of them, but... The other 195 are...
Speaker: basically the same. yeah We've discovered this incredible compression algorithm for terrible books, which is you just pick five random pages and you read them, and then you can reconstruct the whole thing from those.
Speaker: Yeah. So, okay. I know what you're thinking, Sarah. You're thinking one of three things. This guy's a racist. Or...
Speaker: This guy's an Islamophobe. Or... This guy's a bigot. He knows you're thinking this. So the next section... is a response to those three accusations.
Speaker: yeah
Speaker: Oh, this is going to be so ironic. so here's his So here's, I cut out some of it. So this is, there's an ellipsis in here, but this is his response. two.
Speaker: The claim. But he's a racist. The race card is the most common attack on non -Muslims who question Muhammad's authority.
Speaker: the contradictory nature of the slur is peculiarly unfounded and mysteriously is never debunked with analysis by critics of islam Without a doubt.
Speaker: The term racist is perhaps the most preferred weapon of choice. used. Bye. Muslims and their lackeys. to exercise federal hate crime laws to facilitate their worldwide agenda and policy of a one -world Islamic government.
Speaker: The word racist is inaccurate for one glaring reason. Islam is not bound by any race of people. Exactly what race... is Islam.
Speaker: arab indonesian bosnian Algerian. Nigerian. But aren't there white British, American, Australian, New Zealand, and Chinese Muslims.
Speaker: And surely there are Arab, Indonesian, Bosnian, and Algerian Christians too. ironically it is moslems who are guilty of racially profiling as almost all assume the majority of white people are unquestionably devout christians or that america represents christianity But in truth,
Speaker: The overwhelming majority of white Western people are not Christian. You would be hard -pressed to find in most Western countries. anyone that publicly professed to have Christian beliefs.
Speaker: Wh -wh -wh -wh -wh Just... So... He's actually got a bunch of footnotes in this book.
Speaker: does Sorry, does he think the reader lives in a... Lives in like a fucking tin can or something is just completely unable to process input from the outside world It's almost impossible to find anyone that publicly professes to have Christian beliefs.
Speaker: It gets even better because there's actually a citation for that claim. Oh, my God. He has a footnote for that claim. And it's this Telegraph article.
Speaker: Is America losing faith? atheism on the rise. but still in the shadows. So this is an article about how more and more people are identifying as atheist, but... that it is still something that people are cagey about because of the pervasiveness of anti -atheist sentiment from Christians, who are still like culturally dominant in the US.
Speaker: Ugh. Like... This is his literal, like... This is... citation to his claim is like literally providing like the opposite.
Speaker: Oh, that's beautiful I tried to track down a bunch of the footnotes because he does have a bunch of citations. And... A lot of them are broken links.
Speaker: And some of them are broken links to websites. that the like internet archive, like the Wayback Machine did not archive. some WordPress blog about like Why Muslims are bad was like cited at some point He has a whole...
Speaker: Thing about like his use of citations up top or he says like, you know, I only wanted to cite things were like you know I didn't want to be citing everything all the time. but anytime I thought that something needed a citation, I would, like, pick something. But usually, like, things that I cite, there's, like, many sources, and I just picked one that seemed the most convenient. But, you know, it really doesn't hinge on the particular citation. And it's just, like, extremely funny because it's like, dude, you found, like, the... exact opposite like you've
Speaker: Like oh my god Okay, let's see. So... Describing racism as a slur? Mmm. Incredible stuff. There's definitely like this.
Speaker: undercurrent in conservative rhetoric. where racist is almost like itself supposed to be a racial identity? I was reading a Federalist article the other day that described calling someone racist as like an attack on their like innate properties.
Speaker: Yeah. I mean, we've seen that a lot, right? Like, that was also what Scruton said about, like, oh, you're you're calling someone a racist just because of their honest attempt to live by their lights, right? Like, that's a really...
Speaker: Common. And I only bring up Scruton because like that was the last guy I talked about. It's not like, oh, this is the only other one. like All these guys have been doing this shit. The anti -woke intersectionality here... Also...
Speaker: Pretty good shit. Like. oh i can't be racist just because i hate muslims didn't you know that muslims can be any race like yeah okay so i mean first off you're also islamophobic but also i know perfectly well that when you see a brown person walking down the street you're like That fucking Muslim.
Speaker: Like, you just are a racist. Come on. Yeah, it also falls apart when you realize that like racial categories aren't entirely biological that they are in fact like social constructions, right? So what he's saying here essentially is like i can't be a racist because you've misunderstood like the biological construction of race right like he's basically saying you have like been insufficiently good at race science to like effectively call me a racist but like that's not the game we're playing when we call him a racist right Like...
Speaker: I mean, his response to being called an Islamophobe. Oh, is he going to do, it can't be a phobia because I'm not afraid. No, he does it a little bit differently. So I didn't clip the other two responses because they're basically the same. Like he basically just continues to lie.
Speaker: The Islamophobia one, he quotes Christopher Hitchens. Christopher Hitchens has a quote about like, Islamophobia is a word made up by charlatans in order to trick morons or something like that like you know.
Speaker: Christopher Hitchens is a probable future episode subject, but he's more of like he was really influential he had you know, he's He would be back to that that other style of episode right not this guy who like no one really cares about His response to being called...
Speaker: An islamophobe is basically to be like well phobia means fear But it means, like, an irrational fear. but it's actually perfectly rational. to be afraid of Islam because we are coming to take over the world.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm a Islamophobic, but in like a rational, smart way. Yeah, and then the like the he's like, you know Islamophobia is supposed to have a negative connotation, but it's actually true and correct to be like Deathly terrified that the Muslims are coming to take over the world.
Speaker: He's reclaiming it. He's reclaiming a critical support to our Islamophobic king who is not letting us oppressors. Put him down. Yeah, so... We're getting into the meat of his argument.
Speaker: Here's where he starts the trial for real. I like how you say the meat of his argument as if it's not going to be like a molecule thin strip of jerky. Oh yeah, no, it's it's nothing. It is important that I clarify what exactly the word Muslim means when I refer to it throughout the trial.
Speaker: a muslim should be considered as someone one who exemplifies true mohammedan ethics and morals a Slave of Awe. End quote.
Speaker: technical definition an individual who advocates the complete adoption of sharia law the destruction of democracy and one who believes that western ideology law is of the devil.
Speaker: Most importantly, A Muslim is one who believes violent and offensive jihad is justified because of Muhammad's teachings. Well, okay. I mean, I'm just going to uncritically accept that definition. Then I'm going to have i'm going to have an absolutely wonderful time, I'm sure.
Speaker: Yeah. So he... He... Cites something for... Like slave of Allah as technical definition, right? There's a footnote there. I clicked through to it. It is not It's a completely irrelevant like piece of...
Speaker: Muslim scripture that is basically about... how Islam... is about submitting to Allah. Hey. At no point do I want to be like...
Speaker: Neither of us know anything about Islam really so I don't want to be like engaging with this and you really don't have to well I mean, i'm I'm actually learning a lot about it as we go along. I mean like holy shit this paragraph right here this is revelatory stuff ah Yeah. Exactly. There is like...
Speaker: Yeah, there's just like nothing here like there is a sense where it's like yeah the religion is about like submitting to God and you can like kind of coercively translate that as being a slave to Allah but like that's I don't know but Imagine if a Christian said something fucked up like that. Imagine if they were like yeah I'm a servant of God.
Speaker: yeah exactly it's it's just it would never happen obviously because you know they have western blood running through their veins but they have western ideology law ah
Speaker: The word Muslim transcends quote, moderate Islam, end quote. In a reality, There is no such thing as moderate Islam. You are either a Muslim,
Speaker: Or you're not. Offensive, no true Scotsman. Oh. Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan echoed the staunch Muslim sentiment by saying,
Speaker: There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam. And that's it! Those who masquerade as Muslims denying the verses of jihad and sit on the politically correct fence.
Speaker: I have no time for. I consider such people to be terrorists and nothing more. Tourists who are silent Yes. complicit through association.
Speaker: there is no room in our western societies for such people who sit idly by while their oma Brothers and sisters destroy us from within. However,
Speaker: Let it be said that there are millions of Muslims throughout the Western world who have immigrated to the West. contributed positively to our society's worked hard heaven.
Speaker: bled the welfare system helped alien non -Muslims befriended Non -Muslims protected. non -Muslims obeyed the law and have made the effort to fully integrate.
Speaker: into a Western life. to those people the contents of this book is wholly exempt in fact I do not consider such people to be Muslims in the slightest.
Speaker: I hope one day that they may come to their senses, unshackle themselves from religious dogma, and publicly speak out among their Muslim brothers and sisters.
Speaker: My hopes is that they also publicly advocate the benefits of democracy as opposed to the barbaric Sharia law. But I know. This is a wishful thinking.
Speaker: Yeah, it's just really bad. Oh. Incredible stuff. Incredible stuff. Being like... Yeah.
Speaker: Hey, hey, Muslims who are not like... Violent. Terrorist. Religious jihadists? I just want to pay you guys a compliment You're not even Muslim.
Speaker: Okay, like... I consider you honorary Christian, basically. Real like credit to your race shit right here. He then immediately goes... Into...
Speaker: Like, okay. We want to understand Muhammad. He makes this whole thing which is like, okay... People talk about radical Islam. People talk about... Islamist fundamentalism people talk about all these things, but really what they don't understand is that it's all downstream of like Muhammad and his teachings and so Really, we're gonna put Muhammad on trial. I mean, he's already kind of said this.
Speaker: He starts with this weird thing, which is that he makes this argument that like Muhammad uses We. in the Quran and really like Maybe there wasn't even like one guy like...
Speaker: Why would they use Wii? It's actually a slip -up. It's actually a slip -up because it was a group of charlatans who like wrote it. It's very bizarre. And it's like, no, the use of we in the singular as like...
Speaker: To denote like royalty or godliness is like very common Like it's not That's not, like, a thing at all? Yeah, royalty has pronouns. like He then proceeds to be like...
Speaker: Okay, we're going to do a psychological analysis of Muhammad. So... He conflates this idea. With, of like... putting him on trial with, like, doing a psychoanalytic...
Speaker: Investigation. And it's like... Very bizarre. So... He goes through all these different claims about like first, you know all these crimes Muhammad did, but then...
Speaker: Like... he was you know that he talks about pedophilia he talks about like He's got a whole section about how like Muhammad like definitely had syphilis and it turned into neurosyphilis And that's what caused hallucinations and like he's got this whole theory He's got a whole thing about how like he definitely had schizophrenia.
Speaker: So there's like all these bigotries that are just getting kind of like lumped in here or it's like I have this like psychological profile of this guy. And it's all terrible. And so I was like I don't want to go through these one by one like this is so boring So I was like, okay, I'll pick one.
Speaker: and we'll go through it So. This is one of the sections of the various...
Speaker: crimes and psychological disorders that Muhammad had. Ha ha!
Speaker: For anyone to read this, it will come as a shock for you to learn that Muhammad also dabbled in cross -dressing As farfetched and absurd this accusation may be,
Speaker: The fact is that the Hadith not only explicitly records him wearing women's clothing. but demonstrates that he felt guilty. as he made excuses for his behavior.
Speaker: Yeah. I'm kind of at a loss for words. He's transvestigating Muhammad? He's transvestiting a woman. So he brings up there's like oh you know,
Speaker: there's this line in the quran where he uses this word which is like a gender neutral garment but probably he used this and he wore a woman's garment at this point in the quran and again like i I am not.
Speaker: a scholar of Islam, so I can't... engaged on that level but the stuff he wrote i mean i could tell you in the book I was unconvinced. And you know me, I am very ready to to believe that basically anyone was like secretly trans.
Speaker: ah
Speaker: No, yeah, you're always messaging me this shit like, oh, Roger Rabbit is trans representation. Like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. but Yeah, I'm always like DMing you like, oh, Ernest Hemingway is trans.
Speaker: Okay, that's just true though. Get fucking real. Yeah. okay so he does some like bad scriptural analysis right and then he gets to this paragraph But what exactly motivates men to engage in cross -dressing?
Speaker: There is really no definite theory as to what motivates a man to wear women's clothes. clothing. Researchers have stated that this behavioral disorder is manifested as an outlet for AGP feelings.
Speaker: Okay, no, that's not what it says. As an outlet for stress. which is entirely apt for someone of Muhammad's caliber. Individuals vicariously express themselves through femininity to therapeutically dispel their anxieties.
Speaker: And while it's not directly linked to homosexuality, the behavior can be a projection of an individual's desire to also sexually express themselves. As a woman.
Speaker: Oh my god. I was... I didn't read ahead in the paragraph. I didn't realize that that was actually where it was going. Muhammad is AGP. Muhammad is AGP.
Speaker: It's been reported that cross -dressers behave in such a way to actually experience sexual gratification from a woman's perspective. Interestingly, some women actually enjoy this and may also desire to experiment sexually.
Speaker: I'm losing my... fucking minds. He's doing Blanchardian transvestigation on Muhammad. This is... Hilly.
Speaker: Okay, some of our listeners some of our listeners probably don't know what being AGP is, so I think I should say. There's this whole pseudoscience that's growing up around trans stuff that is basically about pathologizing some trans women.
Speaker: as being fetishistic. and transitioning in order to gratify a fetishistic desire. to get off by imagining themselves as women.
Speaker: And what he's doing here is... is just recounting that, but like in the case of Muhammad. It's incredible. And also... bizarrely bizarrely woke almost.
Speaker: There's an obvious rebuttal to this claim, which is that like plenty of cis women actually really in get sexual gratification out of the knowledge of themselves as like attractive women he's like Oh yeah, by the way, this is like...
Speaker: Also just true for, you know, women. like what What's happening here? He's like jumping through like three levels of discourse here and it's about Muhammad.
Speaker: Yeah, so was Mohamed a GP? Who knows? There's some more... Wait, wait, wait, I see you included a source here. I gotta click this. netdoctor .co .uk slash sex and relationships slash transvesticism Yeah, it's this like wretched website that's like...
Speaker: It's trying to be... So and I also had to give you an archive link because the actual site is gone. But... it's this just like wretched website where they're describing like Oh.
Speaker: here's what it means to be a transvestite and, you know, should you tell a partner? Should you tell, you know, coworkers? Like, well, no, you should probably keep it secret and talk to a doctor first because some people don't take kindly to this kind of thing. And then there's, like, a bunch of stuff about, like, you should be careful going out in public in women's clothing unless you pass because some some males may respond with aggression. Like, it's actually just, like, terrible.
Speaker: bull Yeah. But this was 2013.
Speaker: This was 2013, so they hadn't invented... trans people yet. Anyway. Like... This guy's on the forums talking about like learning about transvestites. I don't know like There's something going on here.
Speaker: Because he goes on for a while about this. Our boy is certainly motivated to learn. Perhaps Muhammad's wives encouraged the act. If not, their disapproval would have been recorded in the hadith.
Speaker: however it's doubtful that all his wives were on board with his experimentation as ancient Middle Eastern culture has always been. predominantly male -oriented and masculine.
Speaker: Whatever the fuck that means. thus frowning upon such an act. In fact, Judaism. of what Muhammad believed he was a prophet of, forbids such behavior.
Speaker: if we refer to the afore -mentioned multiple sexual oddities of which he possessed cross -dressing would have been just another sexual outlet which also allowed him to fully understand the female gender He had already dabbled in pedophilia and homosexuality,
Speaker: so naturally for a chronic sex addict with his psychological problems this new behaviour was another milestone in his already extensive catalogue of sexual experiences It must be noted, however,
Speaker: that cross -dressers are not inherently pedophiles and homosexuals. This is the second time he's hit that bit about like... Just because you're like a tranny doesn't mean you're like a homosexual or whatever.
Speaker: Hmm. Nonetheless, it's undeniable that Muhammad's sex addiction and desire for sexual experimentation fostered his penchant for cross -dressing.
Speaker: Which brings us to the question of whether he was a full -time transvestite? No. This was not the case. In the Hadith, his wives and daughter who discover him in drag ultimately did so at his home and never in public.
Speaker: Thus, Muhammad's cross -dressing was a secret affair. in a masculine dominant society it wouldn't be conducive for a cult leader to deliver a sermon while dressed up as a drag queen The fact that the... look The fact that the Islamic text excoriates any anyone with such tendencies only proves that ancient Arabic culture was not accepting of such behavior.
Speaker: Yeah, there's this, like, real soup going on here, where he's trying to pretend to be, like, I'm accepting. you know i if people you know if if these trannies want to wear women's clothes and go be perverts out in public like that's fine with me but those arabs they probably didn't stand for that right it's just like there's a lot going on there
Speaker: Well, tolerance of faggots runs in our Western veins. You have to understand. Yeah. So he does a couple more readings from the from the Quran and then he closes it out. Although my assertions about his mother and Khadija are a hypothesis,
Speaker: I stress that his cross -dressing did derive from an early childhood trauma or a significant event during his marriage to his first wife. Without a doubt. All of these factors I have mentioned This certainly may have contributed to his erratic sexuality.
Speaker: as there must be some logical explanation regarding the origin of his behavior. In conclusion, It's not unfair to say that Muhammad's cross -dressing was not only a form of sexual experimentation,
Speaker: but also signifies his cowardly behavior and desperation to live through an alternative identity. A woman. Women were perceived weaker in ancient Arabia, thus relinquishing his responsibility.
Speaker: Had it been physically possible in those times... Oh god, I already know where the rest of the sentence is going I'm certain. that he would have complied with a sex change. between Khadija and himself.
Speaker: Okay, I didn't know where that was going actually. I knew it was going to be about like, he would have had the surgery. I didn't realize that he thought that one. what happens when you have A sex change surgery is you swap genitals with a cis person? Yeah, like, who do you think?
Speaker: Who do you think gave you the pussy? it like
Speaker: Well, okay, because he got this whole thing earlier, because, you know, he gets to this whole hypothesis about which which wife was it that was really into this and and wanted to be the man, was more dominant, and her emasculation of him is blah blah blah, blah right? Like, there's a whole...
Speaker: like, stupid thing that I just like cut out because it was boring. but yeah he's like oh he would have he would have gotten a sex change and also his wife would have gotten a sex change like they would have gotten a sex change between them which is just like such a fascinating Think about it.
Speaker: How widespread is this concept? Are there other people who think this? are like are Are those TERFs out there who are like... Trans women are coming for our wombs. Do they also think that when you get SRS, like you're just swapping pussies with a cis woman? Like what?
Speaker: I don't think that that's a common... Thing. Oh my god, this is like stupid guy. Energy on him! Unbelievable. yeah Okay, so that's the book. He...
Speaker: he does his whole psychological profile and then he like ends with a chapter on like his closing state sorry not his closing statements his opening statements because he's like here's all my case here's my evidence then here's an opening statement and then it's for the jury to decide right he's like it's for the jury to decide who does it right he's like let you draw your conclusions and then he's like you know the next part will be coming he doesn't write a part two He makes YouTube videos for a while.
Speaker: Then he writes a book called Questions Islam Can't Answer. which I did not read. Because I... It just didn't seem worth it. It's the same kind of thing. It's just like more rambling. This book is so repetitive.
Speaker: He continues to make YouTube videos. Did you watch the YouTube videos? Damn it. Damn it. I watched some of his YouTube videos. But... His YouTube got taken down.
Speaker: He's got a website, and it's actually quite funny. This is his website. Oh my god. Okay. So I'm seeing a big black banner at the top and... Printed on it in red letters are the words.
Speaker: Banned from the internet. You will never guess which modern technology I'm using to view this website by the way.
Speaker: Well, it can't be the internet because he's been banned from the internet.
Speaker: Well, it's finally happened. After two successful years and gaining 95 ,000 subscribers and over 65 million views, Google has finally decided to terminate my YouTube channel, which was the premier content provider for exposing Islam.
Speaker: Did I violate their policies? No. Did I upload threatening, abusive, hateful or disturbing footage? No. See for yourself how the technocrats managed to bend the rules to erase me from the internet.
Speaker: And then we've got a bunch of shit about like... and just like analytics about like what hot shit he was on the internet and how google is just like yeah constantly sending him notifications like dude you can't post this shit Yeah. So there's like videos like... Tommy Lahren destroys political correct, like, dot, dot, dot, the title cuts cuts off.
Speaker: Answer the question. Muslim goes mental after being asked. Yeah. Sharia patrols are now in Germany. So okay, so then we get this like the screenshot of all of the YouTube emails that were like no ads on your thing, your thing has been age -restricted, no ads, right? And then like the last one is like, your account is disabled. It means you kept posting this shit that, like...
Speaker: But yeah, so if you scroll all the way... down. he's He's like this back and forth, right? And then there's like... complaining that he was trying to post Comments on discus?
Speaker: And basically... His comments kept getting... like struck down like there's some like approval process that he had to wait and was like oh the my comments never got approved there was just like he was posting to some moderated forum basically yeah discus is not like a social media platform it's just like technology for running a comment section on some random site Yeah, so that's why I'm like, I don't know what he means by like...
Speaker: Discus fandom. Because like, it's not... Anyway. He doesn't seem to really have, like... A good. Sense of like what's going on around him
Speaker: You can see in some of these screenshots, actually, he's talking about Tommy Robinson, which is like interesting because he's like ahead of the curve a little bit on Tommy Robinson, who is like now really big in like British political discourse. Tommy Robinson is like... the far right nigel farage who was already himself far right so it's kind of interesting So then we scroll down even more and it's when did the censorship begin?
Speaker: And who is who is it that right when this man came on the scene who is who is that man Sarah? That appears to be Barak. Hussein. Obama.
Speaker: What many don't know is that this closet Muslim, who is actually a fake American, which explains why he doesn't understand the First Amendment or American culture, signed an accord with the big tech elites to clamp down on free speech and open internet.
Speaker: Don't believe me? Think this is a giant conspiracy? then look below. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. And then there is a...
Speaker: Fairly damning picture. Yeah, like Obama's just at dinner with a bunch of, like... Tech guys. Zuckerberg is there. Steve Jobs is there. Like... CEO of Yahoo.
Speaker: Uh -huh. There's Larry Ellison. Yeah, just like Obama. Yeah. It's just a totally normal photo of Obama at a dinner with a bunch of like Silicon Valley guys.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, I describe it as damning because like... these people suck so much ass and the fact that he was so cozy with them is in fact like a huge problem but um but i don't think it's a huge problem not because actually this whole group of people were collaborating to like boost islam and censor jk shineland yeah the guy who cannot get his voice out pick up past the oppressive blanket of judge judy's internet presence Yeah.
Speaker: So okay, so that's basically That's basically it. So we get to the very bottom and there's an ad for his book censored. So all of this page is really like... set up.
Speaker: for his next book. Okay, I'm... excited to hear about it. Okay. So notice... He describes it as an explosive tell -all autobiography.
Speaker: So we're gonna get finally the answer to What time zone were you in when 9 -11 happened? Yeah.
Speaker: Okay. So... He actually also has a trailer for this book. If you go on, like, he has a new YouTube page, and it's got, like, a couple of videos. One of the videos is a movie trailer for his book.
Speaker: One of the videos is a video of... five -star Amazon reviews for his book. Like literally. What? Shit. just like scrolling through literally it's just like No, it's like dramatic.
Speaker: but Movie effects. like dramatic music and then like the text coming up on screen. Like... If this were a video format, I would play them, but like, you know.
Speaker: That's so fucking epic. Yeah. So... He opens with an about the author. So here's how his about the author has changed in the like three intervening years between this book this book came out in 2019, so three years after the first one.
Speaker: J .K. Shineland is the author of the controversial number one international bestseller, the people versus muhammad psychological analysis which has been critically praised and considered the most dangerous book written since the turn of the millennium Shineland is a passionate contributor to the fight against injustice and the growing threat of universal censorship.
Speaker: He really seems to think we know what that means. I don't know what distinguishes universal censorship from censorship. The author has spent years researching the true origins of Islam and has fervently documented the rise of Islamization in Western countries.
Speaker: Recently, Shineland has come under attack by the social media elite for the unflinching truth contained with each book published. The People vs. Muhammad has been set to be banned and censored by the Canadian Federation of Library Associations. for being. too dangerous to read.
Speaker: at the same time and not surprisingly it has been banned in the arab states and now on amazon india none the less despite the echelon's desperate attempts to silence the truth the book remains on the international bestseller list in religious studies and religion state and politics number one in usa number one in uk number one in canada number one in germany To verify these records, you can visit the author's website and watch the video five -star reviews.
Speaker: So I actually watched it and it never hit number one in any of those categories. Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Like it was like on the top 10 a couple places, but yeah. The critically acclaimed success. I fucking love that, dude. He hit the top 10 in his micro slice.
Speaker: like occasionally we get these like spam emails from podcast analytics services that are like Wow, you are currently ranked number 163 in searches for...
Speaker: feminist history examination of bigotry including european history and i'm like wow that's That's great. we're really moving up in the world no remember Remember when there was the one that was like, we can help you break top 10 in like women's feminist comedy journey or something like that?
Speaker: oh God. The critically acclaimed success of the book series is attributed to the unprecedented work Shineland pioneered in psychologically deconstructing Muhammad, which is the first time in history anyone has critically analyzed the man's psyche, his sexual habits. and Psychopathy.
Speaker: perhaps the most startling revelation is the fact that muhammad most probably was affected with syphilis which in turn evolved into neurosyphilis finally manifesting into paranoid schizophrenia It is from this sexually transmitted disease which undoubtedly gave birth to Islam and its eccentric tenets.
Speaker: Shineland has made numerous academic references to prove the case. No one has been able to refute the truth. Oh, that's such crank shit. I put forward my theory and you know what? No one has been able to disprove it.
Speaker: And... Of course, the standards of such are like ridiculous, and no one would attempt to argue with such a crazed asshole. As Shyamalan's second bestseller,
Speaker: the Questions that Islam can't answer also proves to be an invaluable tool in waking up Muslims to the truth. The contents of this book serves to be a testing tool for Muslims who obstinately refuse to accept the truth and willfully continue to engage in the same depraved acts as their master.
Speaker: Yeah. Whew. He really is talking about Muslims like they're animals, isn't he? Oh yeah. That. thing he said about being banned by the canadian federation of library associations so i looked into that because that struck me as kind of weird the canadian fe federation of library associations is a library special interest group basically Different associations across Canada of libraries get together and they have this like one sort of mega library association.
Speaker: And they just do like... some research and some like special interest lobbying to the Canadian government like on behalf of libraries. And one of the things they do is they track. censorship.
Speaker: and They released... a They release a report every year. Of. Instances of requested censorship.
Speaker: in Canadian libraries. So. They just aggregate like. every complaint someone made. And... put them together to track like what are the complaints people are getting They don't actually do any banning of any kind.
Speaker: So the... The thing he's referring to is that someone in a library in Ontario somewhere complained that his book was on the shelf and was like, you shouldn't have this book on the shelf. It wasn't set to be banned and labeled too dangerous to read.
Speaker: Like, by anyone. It's just it's one person in Canada was like... This book is really racist. That's that's kind of uncool. Yeah. and like I'm you know I don't know if it got you know Maybe it did get taken off of like Amazon India or...
Speaker: you know it's banned in the arab states like what does that mean like i'm sure that like someone somewhere in like a bookstore or something or like maybe even in a country who knows like There's many possible things that could mean, and maybe one of them is true, but it's just such a, like...
Speaker: I just don't have any trust in this guy's like account of what happened to be like, oh yeah, he was banned. like I doubt that like anyone... in like the government of any like quote -unquote Arab country. like knows who this guy is. Like...
Speaker: Like... The Saudi royal family is not losing sleep over this guy. laughter ah yeah muhammad bin salman just tossing and churning in his pile of silk sheets just like oh fuck fucking shineland he's still at it he's producing another bestseller it's gonna hit top 10 the amazon rankings in germany
Speaker: We gotta to make sure no copies of The People vs. Muhammad are smuggled into our country. like Just... They don't care. Like, come on, man. It's also so funny to present Like... being attacked and censored as like evidence of truthfulness and veracity and like sharpness of the book. like I'm pretty sure Sex and the City 2 is also banned in a bunch of Arabic countries. and like I don't think that's very much of an endorsement of it.
Speaker: So... Okay, so we get to how my journey began. Throughout the introduction in my first book, I divulged only a few key details into my life. and my struggle. Sorry.
Speaker: my fate. i purposely left out as much information as possible not only for security reasons but as not to detract from the subject at hand which was mohammed's mental disorders and the pertinence of a posthumous trial My approach to the issue has always been through anonymity.
Speaker: The fact that I have remained anonymous for many years has perplexed many and gained quite a negative stigma. It seems that the public today are not interested in merit. but only trivial personalities in the short -lived parlor tricks a one -minute wonder can perform.
Speaker: I attribute this to the cultural change our civilization is facing today. Sadly, We have become a superficial nation. where fame, celebrity and sensationalism has become more important than the message itself.
Speaker: It's also quite shocking that because of this, The national IQ average is also in decline. the globalist elites have worked tirelessly to pump as much garbage into our brains to disarm us from fighting back with academia which is their enemy.
Speaker: That is an incredibly confusing sentence. Okay, we can come back to that in a sec. Unlike most authors, I did not slap a photo of myself on the cover to cash in on fame and celebrity like some self -promoting YouTuber or blogger. Indeed, celebrity commentators and journalists make the mistake of showing their face, and reality it distracts from their merits.
Speaker: People can become so emotional and sidetracked. simply by personality. Okay. but Let's go back to that problem sentence first. The globalist elites have worked tirelessly to pump as much garbage into our brains to disarm us from fighting back with academia, which is their enemy.
Speaker: Helen. yeah What the fuck does that mean? I think by academia, he means... So we also kind of brushed over this in the first book, like all the like different times when...
Speaker: Sarah was reading and said something that like didn't quite grammatically make sense. like mostly importantly or things like this. That wasn't Sarah misreading it. Like, the guy can't write. And actually, there were a couple times when...
Speaker: I think you fixed his grammar just because like... It's kind of hard not to when you're reading these things out. He's just like is constantly using the wrong word. He's constantly messing things up. I don't want to like rag on the guy for like i don't know writing like incorrectly or whatever like that's not what this is about but Yeah, he...
Speaker: He actually has an Amazon review on the first book where somebody's like this book is really good and really eye -opening But it was really distracting how many errors there were and he was like, oh, yeah, like that's the old version I released a new version that has like we fixed all the errors And...
Speaker: no like i think i have maneuvered like i think i was reading the new version it's just like full of errors all the time so i think what he means here is like fighting back like not with academia but with like academic knowledge This is exactly how it goes with open AI or like LLMs in general. You'll be like, hey, I told me to put glue on my pizza and someone will inevitably be like.
Speaker: Oh, wait, have you tried like the latest models? Like the hottest shit? Like they don't really hallucinate anymore. yeah And I've been hearing that for like fucking years and they keep telling me to put glue on my pizza. Yeah.
Speaker: Anyway. I mean we're getting more into like The tenor of this has changed a little bit. He is saying the globalist elites now, right? like the Yeah, he sounds more brain -melted now. He's more like plugged into conspiratorial internet shit.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean there was a lot of conspiratorial stuff already. In the first book... But it was like kind of out of date, you know? and i mean like We were talking about like how he was clearly mentally like in this weird interregnum between the reign of communism as like the terrifying enemy and the reign of communism as the terrifying enemy. And like now he's caught up. Yeah, but...
Speaker: Exactly. he's He's kind of now, this is the Like... This is... The more current like vernacular he's kind of like figured it out in a way Now...
Speaker: Notice he he doesn't actually say anything about... his life. like At some point he's like, oh, people guessed that I had training as a... Sweet.
Speaker: We haven't actually made any attempt to parse this sentence yet, by the way. We're still so caught up in like the process of how someone comes to write that sentence. that we haven't even tried to decode it yet.
Speaker: Oh, no, I think what he means here is... the globalist elite so that the hidden shadowy cabal the liberal marxist Sharia agenda. is filling our brains with garbage that we can't use our intellects, which is like what he means by academia.
Speaker: To disarm that like to to fight them to fight back oh of course how silly of me i didn't realize that academia means the human brain Yeah. Like... That's gotta to be what he means, because like otherwise it doesn't make any sense. like Oh my god. Okay. Fine. Fine. Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, it makes no sense anyway. I love how he's like... i'm not a fame hound i wouldn't put a photo of myself on the front like some fucking youtuber and of course what we just saw was him like whining about how he got banned from youtube and how how his youtube channel was like such a big deal and how it was like so important yeah
Speaker: As far as I can tell, none of his YouTube videos, so like none of the ones on the new channel. like have him in them. He did at one point make a two -hour documentary, supposedly, which I cannot find. like That predates.
Speaker: the book. Like, while he was in the process of writing the book, The People vs. Muhammad, he made a two -hour documentary about... Islam. I don't know how to find it.
Speaker: It's apparently like the movie version of the book. I don't know what that means. Based on his other videos, I think it's just a bunch of clips. Like, he loves this, like, like all of his YouTube videos are just like... clips of people saying stuff with scary music in the background.
Speaker: You know, I'm thinking about it and there is something... really sad about this guy. just starting out as like This racist crank. Just... writing some bullshit about the psychology of muhammad and putting it out and then how clearly he's been introduced into this like
Speaker: conspiratorial world in this world of being a racist influencer and when i say it's sad i don't mean it's sad for him as far as i'm concerned he can get hit with a thousand buses and i don't give a shit but like it's kind of sad for our society that this track is there and that people are going down it Yeah, so as far as I can tell from the book, because he really doesn't share about his life...
Speaker: He basically like his whole sense of like his autobiography is just like the timeline of like him publishing books and then like his fights with YouTube and Twitter. Like that's... That's the whole content of the book.
Speaker: It's like... this is when i got banned on twitter like this is the fight that i had with the moderation of facebook like this is right there's nothing like about like his life. And...
Speaker: I mean maybe that is his yeah life. maybe that's maybe that's really what he's been reduced to you know it's just this experience of like interacting with online platforms.
Speaker: Yeah, and so he did say like, oh, you know, people figured out from my like astute psychological analysis, like I did have training in psychology or something like that. But if he had any kind of like professional certification, if he had any kind of like...
Speaker: not even a doctorate, like if he had some kind of master's degree, like that would be included, right? Like he would tell you, I have this. He would tell you on every page. I don't know what. Yeah.
Speaker: like you'd be like as a qualified doctor of you know psychology like i would i i can say that he does right like i didn't want to like go through and say like here's the account of his biography that like i can get from his book because he just lies all the time He just lies. So it's just like not really worth it. So the sum of the book is that most of the book is not even...
Speaker: like this vague attempt at a biography most of it is just like rants about how society's falling apart And it's all kind of jumbled together So here's a clip of how society why and how society is falling apart.
Speaker: This hipster snowflake culture was completely by design. It didn't just spring up overnight. It took years of careful sculpting by Marxist... Yeah, see? There it is. There it is. He's caught up.
Speaker: by Marxist think tanks to separate the family unit. pacify the nation by feminizing men, and to make both sexes completely unappealing to each other to stop reproduction.
Speaker: oh my god what a change this is fascinating let's face it what woman really desires a man in his 30s who is obsessed with trends video games his bearded skinny jeaned appearance and latte drinks The average woman today secretly desires a burly man and someone who can protect her. Build the family cabin.
Speaker: And wrestle. With the bears.
Speaker: That's that's what you see on dating apps women are just like I'm really looking for someone to build the family cabin and wrestle with the bears. The family cabin. We all have a family cabin. Helen, you have a family cabin, right? I assume so. I mean, your ancestors bred. Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Instead... What do we have today? Wimps. It's not a good look, which explains why women are just giving up and following suit. Real men are forthright, dominant, macho and are born to lead to- today they are being emasculated by a militant femme force of intolerant precious liberal quasi lesbians who are also being taught that quote.
Speaker: The future is women, end quote. They too are repelling men with their half -shaved heads, lips full of silicone, the change -up culture, I don't even know what that is, and an overall rejection of maternity.
Speaker: Again. This could not have been achieved without controlled social media. to prey on the naive, inherent narcissists who have took the bait. hook, line and sinker.
Speaker: out of rampant abortion in the mix and you've got what it takes to control society and depopulate the masses there is a specific reason why our society is becoming more ageist where we shun the elderly as virtual Soylent Green. Okay, well now I know how old he is. For those that don't understand this name,
Speaker: Go ask your parents. You see The elderly can impart their wisdom on the youth and give them comparable evidence to how bad society has become. Let's face it, The world we live in is... Crap.
Speaker: Okay, so he's a raging boomer. And... Yeah. He's pilled. I also love his like. You know... Like boomers, you know, we have a thing or two we can teach you and the thing or two like the example he gives is like how to understand boomer references like What?
Speaker: huh
Speaker: Yeah, you want to understand Dick Van Dyke references? Go ask your parents. They have the wisdom. Yeah, the wisdom of, like, this shitty reference I just made. Fuck. I'm actually really surprised we haven't seen before this sort of Islamophobia as a gateway to antisemitism.
Speaker: Because like it's pretty clear. That's what happened here. He's just spouting like Twitter shit at this point Yeah. So... Yeah, I think it's definitely like a...
Speaker: a gateway. I think it's also interesting to see like... This was kind of... It's not hard to see how this path goes from you know being Islamophobic in the mid -2000s into the 2010s.
Speaker: Into becoming this kind of guy in the late 2010s, right? Like this is just like that was the role Islamophobia had it was like this kind of dominant bigoted thing you could like partake in to some extent.
Speaker: I think it was also a bigotry that was very permissible for... Polite liberals. and A lot of the people who were really into it back then like they've kind of Swung to the right. I'm thinking of influencers here like Sam Harris or whatever.
Speaker: but... A lot of them. are still only really comfortable being bigoted when it's like permitted in polite liberal society and more of that has become permitted but they're still like trying to stay within those bounds That's why people get really into like the free press.
Speaker: or whatever is it gives them like the maximal allowance within this liberal label. To be. Bigoted. But this guy is just like...
Speaker: Shhh! shot off to the right. He's like full in on Elon Muskism. But you you were saying, like I cut you off earlier, like he's just like totally pilled, right? Like he's just like sitting around and watching these like right wing news organizations and absorbing it entirely.
Speaker: I think. you know not only into semitism like obviously the the misogyny here and like the specific form of like that kind of pro -trad like we used to you know we used to be a proper country and now all of the like the feminazis i mean i don't know what he means by quasi lesbians like that's like Such a weird...
Speaker: Insult. But... it really speaks to someone who is like not making a specific critique and is just like engaged in this like soup And then regurgitating stuff, right? None of these are like specific. And again, this isn't to say, like oh, he's bad at writing.
Speaker: and that's the critique is that he's not a good writer. but this Whole line, like they're being emasculated by a militant femme force of intolerant, precious, liberal, quasi -lesbians.
Speaker: the repelling men with their half -shaved heads lips full of silicone the change -up culture like a lot of these are like close to phrases or like things that you can only you can understand is like he's kind of learned the words but slightly wrong and it's just kind of like spewing this stuff, but it doesn't really make sense.
Speaker: There's also no attempt to make an argument. Like, what he was doing before was... D. incoherent. It was stupid. It was... inept but like it was trying to make an argument he just couldn't do it because he wasn't capable of it this is not bothering at all it's just catchphrase soup
Speaker: Throughout this book, he keeps saying like, oh, you know, I was reading the beginning and I was like, OK, we're going to get to his autobiography because he keeps ending chapters like all the chapters before this with like. this is what went down. This is how it happened. I'm about to spill the truth. I'm about to speak the truth, right? But he never actually does. Did you ever read Goosebumps as a kid?
Speaker: It's always like... Oh, it was then that I saw the main monster of the book fly down at me from the ceiling. Then you're like, oh, you're like, holy shit. Holy shit. And you turn the page and it's like, and then my little brother was like. I got you again.
Speaker: That's so funny. Yeah. he's like constantly trying to do this signposting, right? And he says here, like, let's face it, the world we live in is crap. Like... There's this... Vibe of scene setting throughout the book where he's like i'm clearing the way i'm i'm making space and then i'm going to tell you the truth and And then it's just more. of the same and so I mean...
Speaker: His argument, to whatever extent it vaguely exists in this book, is like, you can kind of see... social media is run by a bunch of like Marxist elites.
Speaker: who are conspiring to destroy society. and implement ultimate censorship. And Ultimate Censorship is basically just like the 1984 version of Censorship where it's like... They don't want you speaking your mind just because like they hate truth. They hate freedom. They hate your way of life.
Speaker: That's it. Like, they just hate you. They hate you specifically. and It's because they're Marxists and they're the big the he says like the marxist big tech elites like so many times in this book and it's just so funny because it's like Again, you're a little bit out of date because now the big tech elites are the anti -Marxists, except...
Speaker: I don't know, like, that that's... Yeah. Like, yeah, he's like pro Elon Musk. But he doesn't really like Elon Musk, and... Interestingly on his website it says he's gotten too many death threats and so he doesn't respond to like he doesn't have his email publicly available It's like hard to contact him. But if you want to contact him you can tweet at him but his Twitter doesn't seem to have been active since like 2023.
Speaker: Oh, interesting. He's, like, gone. Yeah. Like I don't know where he went Yeah. You know what? I bet that he is in the White House now.
Speaker: That's what happened. He's a little busy because he has to run like housing for the eastern seaboard or some shit like that Okay, so we're we're getting close to the end here.
Speaker: There's like 200 pages is actually no this one's much shorter I forget the page number, but there's a bunch of this. like It goes on for a while. He rants about Marxist big tech. He eventually gets up to like plan of action. It's like, what is this point of action?
Speaker: So he does say like we should break up Google and some of the other big test big tech companies with like antitrust laws. And we need like stronger antitrust laws to like break these up because social media is like dominating.
Speaker: society. This is kind of an interesting talking point like I have seen people basically across the political spectrum do versions of this And there's versions that I even think are just like...
Speaker: good cogent critiques like We should... if we have antitrust laws right if we want to use antitrust laws like We can... understand. these big social media companies as being a kind of monopoly.
Speaker: He doesn't engage in any... Like, it's... it nothing he says rises to like that level of like complexity or thought right it's just like they're controlling our mind with their marxist feminazi quasi -lesbian. brainwashing and we should use the laws we have to take them apart i'm thinking i should identify as a quasi -lesbian from now on like the more i toss the phrase around in my mind the more i like it i'm pretty down yeah Yeah, a quasi -lesbian. It's kind of like a...
Speaker: it's like a weaker notion right it lacks like a strictness condition that's right Yeah. Huh? Just a little math joke out there for all you mathematicians.
Speaker: Second item on the agenda, stricter citizenship laws. We should. Like. revoke visas and make it harder to become a citizen if you're brown.
Speaker: Sorry, I mean if you're criminal if you're a if you're a Muslim right, but like I don't know He's... like we gotta strengthen our border he's like on that beat like of course he is right like That's... the thing now.
Speaker: Third. Peace. Know your rights and the law. So he's like, you gotta really know your rights. And I clipped a section of this one because it was so fucking funny here Is he a soft -set? Are we about to find out he's a sovereign citizen?
Speaker: i recall a particular case where the american judiciary and police had conspired to persecute a man over fishing rights where the man was summoned to court on charges for allegedly breaking the law for simply fishing in the wild The judge sat herself down. Oh, that bitch. I already hate her.
Speaker: That bitch with a smug look on her face. and all had obviously underestimated the man's knowledge of state laws and human rights. Oh my god, he's a fucking Sov set!
Speaker: What occurred was an embarrassing fiasco for the judge and her goons, as she was exposed for being a legal bully who boldly tried to incarcerate the man on trumped up charges.
Speaker: The judge proceeded to read out the charges in the packed courtroom, when suddenly... the 52 year old man. Oh, heroic. 52 years old? Oh my god, it's on the lower end of heroic, but it's certainly heroic. Told the judge the simple facts. He would get a Soylent Green reference.
Speaker: I am a living man protected by natural law, and I have the right to forage for food when I am hungry. You are trying to create a fictitious, fraudulent action.
Speaker: The reaction? was priceless. The judge Obviously not used to being given a dressing down. foolishly made matters worse. Oh, that silly bitch. She had no idea what she was in for.
Speaker: From the records. The judge came off looking like a nincompoop by threatening the accused with contempt. Court. However, what the judge didn't realize was that the man was representing himself, so naturally anything he said was testimony, not...
Speaker: contempt as such. ah This is killing me. In layman's terms. She was powerless to stop him. You know how you can just say... You can just say...
Speaker: You can't hold me in contempt because I'm offering testimony because I'm representing myself. yeah You think this naval court can sentence me?
Speaker: For obvious reasons, the man's temper increased, but he held strong and defied the ridiculous charges. As the judge fumbled about completely gobsmacked, the middle -aged patriot simply stood up with his family and just walked out the front door to their car, never to be seen again.
Speaker: Most probably. He went straight back to fishing. I wouldn't blame him. It was a beautiful thing to see the dictatorial government utterly powerless to reprimand or incarcerate the man simply because he knew his rights.
Speaker: and the law. Just incredible, incredible stuff. Like, I was offering testimony. like you You can say whatever you want in a court of law and the judge can't stop you if you just say I'm testifying.
Speaker: And then if youfuse if you confuse the judge enough, you can just walk out. That's how the American legal system works. Oh my god. I mean, you can see how you can see how all this stuff like actually goes down in reality because you can just go on YouTube right now and look up like... sovereign citizen in court.
Speaker: And you will see them get arrested. You will see that this shit does not work. Yeah. Oh my god, man. After he walked out, an eagle that represented an individual human being and not a citizen flew around the court. What a dumb guy, oh my god.
Speaker: Yeah, so he goes on... I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm getting the Sov -Sit terminology wrong. It's not like it matters. this is his thing like you should just No...
Speaker: You should just know your rights. because if you know your rights and you know how to confuse the judge enough, you can just walk out of the courtroom. and He's got a whole thing about how, like... People don't like the police anymore because actually the police are bad, but really the police are good. It's like the The modern police. The police used to be good, but now the police are in the pocket of, like, big Sharia.
Speaker: Oh, weird. It's like he has an allegiance to like an idealized state that exists outside of the reality of the actual state. and which is composed of the people who have an intuitive connection to the culture and the land. Yeah, so... The rest of the like plan of action stuff.
Speaker: the one that really stuck out to me is oppose neo -communism and the sharia So he like he hasn't let go, obviously, of the Islamophobia. like it's It's still an integral part of the the critique.
Speaker: and you see this actually a lot in the in the far right like a lot of people when they're talking about like the border and they're doing all the like anti -mexican and like anti -central south american like We've got to stop the flow of immigrants and all the different...
Speaker: Racist. uh imagery they use there like there is also all of this rhetoric of like oh and the The Muslim cartels are... teaming up with the mexican cartels and they're using the holes in the border to come do terrorism it's like also part of that narrative and so he engages in a little bit of that The rest of the stuff is just like...
Speaker: Speak your mind. Be yourself. Speak truth to power. like you know stand up and and and say the truth and don't be a don't be a sheeple Like that's his whole plan. It's like be a brave patriot.
Speaker: and say the truth and fight against the communist Sharia feminazis. don't be a sheep who still says she he's the oldest man in the world nobody says sheeple anymore
Speaker: So... You get to the end of the book. Here's how he closes things out. As I put my pen down, for everyone who has supported me. the countless emails I've received from people who value what I've done.
Speaker: I thank you. You have truly been an inspiration. And I am humbled by your praise. And well wishes. To those so -called advocates of free speech who have ignored my plea to unite to fight the scourge of censorship.
Speaker: I am truly disappointed. I expected better. I can see now that inherent pride is prominent in conservative circles too. i must say that those who i thought were on my side but inevitably ignored my pleas also played a part in censoring me through ostracization.
Speaker: as book publishing is becoming ever more constrictive and social media is completely controlled by the gang of four, I see no reason to futilely continue my quest at this point.
Speaker: Okay. Until the internet is free once again. My voice is disappearing. into the void. It all rests on our current presidency. and the promise given to uphold free speech.
Speaker: That being said... I have fought the good fight. and I will continue to keep fighting and until the last echo dies out. Anonymously, of course. However...
Speaker: I'm afraid until major change occurs in giving back our freedom, this will be my last publication. It's been a wild ride. and enlightening to say the least. As I put my pen down, I want to say.
Speaker: Take care, every one of you. Thank you for all your support. Never forget to seize the day. and always speak the truth. You were born an original.
Speaker: Don't die a copy. Live free, die hard. Sincerely. J .K. Shineland. I have tears in my eyes. I'm s - i I'm deeply moved.
Speaker: The bit where he said You were born an original don't die a copy which I assume is ripping off like some song lyrics or something. I mean, oh that That made my spine shiver. Well, it's also really funny because, like, Live Free or Die is the, like, patriot thing, right? Live Free or Die Hard. Like, Live Free, Die Hard is the name of the first Die Hard movie. It's just the name of a Die Hard movie.
Speaker: Yeah. Look. shoot yeah Like... This guy's brain is so cooked. and this guy really thinks he has shooters doesn't he a bunch of the account in this book is... different right -wing organizations that like did and didn't platform him at different times and so like there's one called world news daily Where.
Speaker: He asked them to publish the book and they weren't interested, but then later when like when the book was doing well Relatively speaking. they like wanted to do an article about him or they wanted to like have him on for some like feature segment like just like they were going to interview him or something like this and he's kind of vague about what it is, like they just like contacted him. And he was like, well, you know, they didn't, they didn't sign, you know, I already knew of them because like they had already denied like my book publishing.
Speaker: I don't know who runs World News Daily. It is just like a right wing news organization. I do know that I was like. looking at some of the articles and the byline on the articles. for some of them was this like Consortium that is funded by Tucker Carlson. So there's like this whole ecosystem.
Speaker: Of. guys and organizations that are just like manufacturing this stuff. and he has like personal beef with some of them and like some other ones are the ones who funded him but like the whole thing is actually very hard to trace down because there's like no real publisher info and like on purpose he's kept a lot of this anonymous.
Speaker: And so... you know he gives an account of like who he was buddies with at different times in the book which i just like don't think he's like actually able to even understand what was going on most of the time based on like the stuff i was able to verify So that's what he means by like all of this like oh, you know some of these people who should have been my friends like
Speaker: he tells a bunch of stories where he also doesn't identify the thing he's like oh i was invited onto this youtube channel and i won't say who but they refused to plug my book but because they said they don't ever plug books but i know they plug books and or or i contacted these other guys and they didn't want to talk to me and it's like a lot of it is just accounts of like him bothering various people most of whom he does not name and then being like go away you're a creep
Speaker: And so like that's who he's talking about when he says like you've ignored my plea. It's like... Because they wouldn't like platform my book about how like Muhammad was secretly like a schizophrenic AGP.
Speaker: I don't know
Speaker: So... Yeah, I guess. There's something... To sum up here, which is like... This guy doesn't really matter.
Speaker: You know, he wasn't like the beginning of something, he wasn't the end of something. He didn't really like define a movement in any way. No one, like... listening to this has probably heard of him. And...
Speaker: It's just like... There's a lot of these guys like There's a whole ecosystem of these guys and it's like central to... how this stuff works. Is that dislike? You manage to get some money. You put together some stuff.
Speaker: You make a bunch of wild claims. Like the five star reviews video did have some screenshots, right? So he talks about how he is like he's a luminaire He's a best -selling author and like the other best -selling authors that he lists like in his cohort are Sam Harris.
Speaker: Christopher Hitchens. Glenn Beck. Like these are the guys that he thinks of as his like peers. And... He's got clips where he shows like, oh, in this category on Amazon, like I was outselling like Sam Harris's book or Christopher Hitchens's book for like a week.
Speaker: Like some of the videos just like screenshots of that right and so he's just like yeah, he's up there He's like he's getting a readership There's actually a lot of Goodreads and Amazon reviews for his books. Not like a ton, but like a couple hundred.
Speaker: and a lot of people who are like, wow, this is so important, really eye -opening stuff. And it's like, yeah, it's just like it's more fodder for these guys to just like churn through, right? He reads Newsmax stuff or watches Newsmax and he reads World News Daily. and He just, like like, gets totally pilled and then he churns this stuff out and then, like, other boomers are reading it and, like...
Speaker: Yeah, it's this whole I mean, this podcast is about examining the production of bigotry. Even though this guy isn't important. This type of guy is...
Speaker: Important. he's just manufacturing like content for other people to kind of satiate themselves with and reinforce themselves with.
Speaker: Like... your racist uncle or whatever i don't know maybe he's a fan of some random asshole like this and he reads his stuff every once in a while he doesn't actually like get much in the way of thoughts from him but the very presence of this guy's writing and his willingness to like spew out this bullshit nonetheless like normalizes And...
Speaker: makes it comfortable to engage in like all kinds of racism and bigotry. Yeah. So I went and I like snooped his Twitter a little bit. It's not that interesting There's like a lot of kind of stuff you would expect there's like Random racist posting there's like stuff where like somebody will post a picture of like
Speaker: a kid mowing lawns and be like see like not all black kids are lazy and then he'll be like wow that's true grit like just like racist deplorable like do you think it's problematic for us to be making fun of a guy who's probably tweeting from his hospice bed
Speaker: Well, I've actually done a psychological analysis on this guy and I can diagnose him here and now with a certain... Neuro syphilis that I don't know like It's kind of funny because...
Speaker: I recognized... Like... him doing in this analysis of Muhammad and the Quran or what he's claiming to do like the sort of dark mirror -like Fun house like perverse version of what we're doing right like we're reading his stuff and we're like, okay What can we reconstruct about this guy except?
Speaker: with huge differences, one which is we're correct. But like, more seriously, like... I don't know. There's a lot of gaps. There's a lot of places where I think it's important to say, like I don't know. I don't know what a country he was in. I don't know if he's just making up. this like it was the dead of night and then the terrorists struck the world trade center because that sounds dramatic or if he really was posting from some like cia base like somewhere in the pacific I mean, who knows?
Speaker: I think I know, but I'm not trying on any information the listener isn't privy to. Yeah. and like you know I think it's also important that we don't like pathologize these guys right we're not saying he has like any kind of like diagnosable mental illness. That's not how that stuff works. He's...
Speaker: Just a racist crank. Okay. whether or not he has any other kind of like mental illness, like... That may be the case. It's not really relevant to this question. It would be ironic for us to say that when we're both like diagnosably AGPs, so.
Speaker: That's another dimension to a lot of this, which is like... There is also built into a lot of... that. Like... Oh, I found his psychopathy like quite a lot of... Like...
Speaker: ableism and It's a pretty despicable way of talking about, like... mental illnesses and this kind of thing. that's not like i think foregrounded or it's not like sort of the most important thing to talk about but it's like it's definitely there and it's something that i think we have Aimed to and I think successfully avoided doing right. We're not out here like Like when we have like retroactively said like, you know Enoch Powell was probably autistic like that has nothing to do with whether or not we like the guy That was sort of a regrettable.
Speaker: Like... It's too bad that all these guys who suck also have autism. But that's not really, you know... Anyway. ah For listeners who aren't familiar, we're both like Tyler and Ada. Do we get to say that?
Speaker: Yeah. We have fun. like speculating like which other one Which other historical figures are in the club with us? Like, you know, oh, that's a little relatable what he said. like Okay, maybe we should diagnose this guy according to the one scientific measure we are willing to use, which is the FAG rating system.
Speaker: Exactly. So... Okay. On this show. We use the world's most advanced system for the measurement of bigotry.
Speaker: We rate each of our subjects on a three -part scale. with a number from one to five for each. In exceptional cases, we might go up to a six. or down to a zero. First, how ferocious are they?
Speaker: Second, how arrogant are they? Third. How gullible are they? Okay. So, for Ferocity... I don't really know where to place this guy because...
Speaker: He's kind of too... Limp? to really get. like a higher thing. like he does say like We need. stricter citizenship things and like undoubtedly if you asked him He would support like Fuentes level stuff Like, I don't have much doubt that like...
Speaker: That's his belief level. But... He... Isn't... He doesn't really get there. Now at the same time... It - Is... pretty bad to be like This religious figure actually has...
Speaker: Was like. diagnosably neurosyphilitic and Schizophrenic and started a cult and all of you know, the entire population of Muslims in the world are dupes to this guy's cult Like I'm not saying this guy's low like i could kind of see him around a three Maybe a four?
Speaker: but That's kind of the range I'm thinking. This guy is clearly a huge ice fan. Like he's Gotta be. Yeah.
Speaker: And it's kind of depressing to assign him a four because that's also like... the median right of center person. And like... quite a lot of the democratic leadership right now. I don't i don't want to give those people a four. That's so alarming. That's so depressing.
Speaker: But like... I see what I see. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm going to go with four. I'm far also. Okay. so then The question of arrogance.
Speaker: I do think this guy is pretty high on arrogance. I think especially... Like... he's He's exactly doing... Like, it's not quite at, like... Ayn Rand level.
Speaker: So for the listeners, Ayn Rand is like the highest arrogance we've ever given. And when we gave Ayn Rand a six in arrogance, that was like my new kind of like shortcut to determining arrogance. It's just basically going to be like... paint swatch hold them up next to Ayn Rand and be like okay how close And...
Speaker: I don't think he's he's clearly not there, right? Because he's not saying like, oh, i we should understand and restructure like all of knowledge and epistemology towards like service of the self and how brilliant I am. At the same time. He... clearly thinks he's incredibly important.
Speaker: Yeah. He thinks he's the most banned person in the world. He's a number one best -selling author. That's right. He's propounding the ideology of the future and the present.
Speaker: and it is making the big tech elites so mad that they are cracking down on him like Personally, I'm not sure if he ever actually says that like Mark Zuckerberg, like... personally is paying attention to him but like that's kind of the mental level he's operating on here Yeah, I'm pretty sure he actually does say essentially that. so I think we got to go with the... Five.
Speaker: I'm down for a five. Yeah. Okay, gullibility? Okay, actually gullibility we need to explain a little bit. Each of our subjects has a role in the production of bigotry. A higher gullibility score means that they're inhabiting that role without any awareness of doing so, while a low score means they're hyper -aware of their role.
Speaker: I don't think this guy knows who he is at all. Like... This guy is basically, I mean, we already said it when we had the conversation earlier. This guy is basically just like. kind of producing some content to kind of fill the gaps for like your racist uncle to read.
Speaker: That's not who he thinks he is. He thinks he is like... the brave patriot who is standing up to like neo -communist sharia big tech marxist feminazi elites And...
Speaker: pointing the way to freedom for the future. So like... Five. Yeah, five. It's total conviction that he's the main character. Total reality that is not even in the book. So...
Speaker: That puts him pretty high. He's like one point away from being a perfect 15, but okay. I think that pretty much... does it for this guy. If... Any of our listeners like know more about him? like I am genuinely curious and I will maybe try to find out more info.
Speaker: Because there's really nothing. about him online and like maybe that's the lesson here is that like Maybe that like Google content moderation and the Facebook content moderation and all that stuff that is trying to censor him like maybe that sometimes works and maybe that's a good thing like Maybe...
Speaker: maybe big tech did successfully silence this man in which case like We gotta hand it to them. look do it Do it more. get it Get a few hundred thousand more of those fly swatters out.
Speaker: Like I had trouble finding so this guy's stuff and I was frequently like using wayback machine and all these things to like find posts and try to find out more info on him and Like.
Speaker: That's good, because like... Ideally? we wouldn't do this episode because they would have successfully just erased all of it. but unfortunately his books are still out there. There's still some stuff out there.
Speaker: But yeah, I mean... Your uncle is still getting his ideological nut off to it. God. Yeah, so if you know... email us odm symposium at gmail .com or you can tell us in the discord or you can leave us a patreon comment by the way i read all your patreon comments i don't always like or reply to them but like i really appreciate them yeah we really appreciate getting comments and feedback from you guys cool all right that's it bye y 'all Bye.
Speaker: There's really nothing real. There is no real. And that's what's called the postmodern mentality. I couldn't resist the world's racist remark. The adventure of life justifies its suffering. I don't want to see him having political succubus with goblins. We'll do it live. Is Trump going to have babies with a goblin and turn against us like Darth Vader?
Speaker: Do it live! Now listen, you cunt. I'll smack you in your goddamn face and you'll... stay plastered. I was going to have a guest speaker but the person I had invited in died.
Speaker: Some level of masochism.
