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Episode 16: Top 10 College QBs of All Time
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The boys put their reputations on the line and risk getting roasted by all who know and love college football. How is that you ask? Well, we released our top 10 college QBs of all time...what could possibly go wrong? That's not a highly contentious discussion at all. Listen, love, loath, scream, cry, roast, do as you please. as long as you listen and rate 5 stars.
Also, the NHL Conference Finals have brought shock in the first few games, the Road to Omaha is set, Yordan Alvarez is the target of Tampa fans, and the Astros complete a combined no-hitter mid-recording...all that and more on this episode of the Coastal Launch Sports Talk.
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Introduction & Episode Overview
00:00:01
Cody Atkinson
Hello and welcome to the Coastal Launch Sports Talk. I'm Cody coming to you from the bayous of Houston, Texas.
00:00:10
Justin Daulton
And I'm Justin coming to you from the Magic, or Orlando, Florida.
00:00:13
Cody Atkinson
And today we will be your destination for offseason content. The NHL is still in the trenches with the conference finals ongoing. The road to Omaha is set for college baseball and the MLB grind carries on. We will touch on all of these points in the rundown, but today we introduce our new off-season breakdown format where we will be bringing to you each of our lists for the top 10 college quarterbacks of all time.
00:00:42
Cody Atkinson
with the admitted reality that this is largely skewed to our lifetime. So maybe consider it the 10 greatest since like the mid nineties. ah But with that trajectory set, it's time to sit back, lock in and get started with the rundown.
NHL Conference Finals Highlights
00:00:57
Cody Atkinson
This is the Coastal Launch and we are ready for liftoff here on episode 16.
00:01:03
Cody Atkinson
And we are running it a touch different, Justin. I am hosting the rundown today because the lists are your baby. And we're going let that we're going to let you take control of that. So this is where you would normally say 16 episodes.
00:01:15
Cody Atkinson
hu ah I'll hit him with that as we transition to the rundown NHL conference finals, man.
00:01:17
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
00:01:24
Cody Atkinson
um I don't know if you've been been locked on to these this week. We talked about how we didn't expect upsets, but we might be getting upsets. Vegas is up three. Oh, on Colorado, man. What do you what? What have you been your takeaways from this series? What you thinking? Like, this is crazy.
00:01:45
Justin Daulton
Yeah, not super locked in, admittedly. Work has been a little a little too hectic for me to stay locked in on on teams that aren't my own, basically. um So for for the NHL, I kind of do like a a daily kind of look and like so go look at highlights. Today I watched the weekend hockey, so it showed me all four games so far of the conference finals. No, we're at five games now of the conference finals.
00:02:11
Justin Daulton
the biggest surprise for sure is, man, it's Vegas going up 3-0 on Colorado. And it looking like Colorado is just something I think that you and I have talked about the last two weeks, right, when it comes to not just Colorado, but even – um you know We were talking about Montreal and the grind that they've gone through.
00:02:27
Justin Daulton
you know You kind of see them go, like Colorado and in this instance, going through two grinds of a series, both against Minnesota and then their first round, obviously the sweep of LA Kings, but going through what what could have been very much a Western Conference final in Minnesota is definitely showing...
00:02:44
Justin Daulton
in this and in this series where Vegas looks like they were a much more fresh team, really only had the one injury to to Mark Stone, who came back last night, obviously in a big way last night. Well, I'm sure we'll talk about last night's game in a second here.
00:02:59
Justin Daulton
But yeah, it looks like Vegas is the fresh team. they have the They have the momentum coming off of that Anaheim series. They have... You know, just the way that the seat of the regular season ended for them and kind of spurred right into the into the playoffs.
00:03:12
Justin Daulton
Vegas has a hot hand, and the Colorado doesn't find a way to adjust, we're talking about a sweep here tomorrow night.
00:03:18
Cody Atkinson
Dude, we might be, which would be the craziest thing ever. And that's honestly a little bit like my fear for this series is. So right now, as I sit here, my biggest thing is like, I wish I had the guts to say that Vegas was going to win because I hinted at it like.
00:03:33
Cody Atkinson
i was like, if we see an upset, it's going to be Vegas. And then even earlier in the the playoff prediction shows, I was like Vegas with Tortorella, like they're a team that can make a real run. But I kept falling short of like them beating Colorado because I didn't have the guts to say it. um So I kept picking Colorado and now I'm wishing I hadn't, but it's, it's been such a shock. I did not have Vegas going up three Oh on my bingo card this year. um But I am also a little disappointed in the series. I was legitimately a little excited that Kale McCarr was not going to be there for game one. Cause I texted you. i was like, this is Vegas's chance to get out.
00:04:14
Cody Atkinson
with a game one win. And then if we see an even series from that point, Vegas has the edge. This adds a little juice, a little excitement. Then Cal McCart misses game two, Vegas goes up 2-0. You're still thinking once he comes back, we got ourselves a series. And then he comes back,
00:04:30
Cody Atkinson
Colorado goes up 3-0. And then in my mind, I'm like, uh-oh, two ah wasn't a big enough lead. like Vegas is going to get steamrolled.
00:04:38
Justin Daulton
Sure.
00:04:38
Cody Atkinson
um And then Nathan McKinnon and ah Valerie – I'm not going to say this right – Nichushkin both go down in game three.
00:04:49
Cody Atkinson
Vegas with the incredible comeback 4-3, very reminiscent of what Colorado did to end Minnesota's season just a week or so ago. um incredible game. And now the fear is like, did was Colorado so beat up that we're going miss, like we're going to get the upset, which I still find exciting if the underdog sweeps the, the favorite.
00:05:12
Cody Atkinson
I think that's a very different experience than the favorite sweeping because you have the jaw drop. aspect of it and like that's very still very electric um but i i do hope colorado extends this makes it three two gives us a little bit of that uh-oh reverse sweep season um and then vegas can can kind of finish it off from there but you you hinted at you wanted to talk about a little bit about last night's game uh down three oh four three just electric
00:05:40
Justin Daulton
Yeah, I mean, honestly, when you're down 3-0, you know, you hinted at right? the You know, the way that that game was going very much felt like it was this was Colorado's get-back game. And, you know, this was then, you know, we we talk about it so much and in and other sports, too, that when the road team wins the play ah playoff game, that's when the series really starts, right?
00:05:59
Cody Atkinson
Mm-hmm.
00:05:59
Justin Daulton
And Vegas went in, punched Colorado on the mound, took the first one, obviously took the second one as well.
00:05:59
Cody Atkinson
Mm-hmm.
00:06:06
Justin Daulton
But you get to the last night's game and you're giving, you know, you have Colorado that chance to really get back into the swing of things with this series and win a road game. And that's when you're like oh, okay, cool. Like this, it's a real series now. and they had all that momentum 3-0 going into the second period.
00:06:22
Justin Daulton
what What was about halfway through the second period before Vegas got on the board. And then that was, it was just like, it took everything out of Colorado from that point on. And it was I don't know if it was Mark Stone getting back into the, to it, that that was the intercharm of bunny for, for Vegas as, um, as a lightning fan in the bubble whenever, um,
00:06:44
Justin Daulton
whenever Stamkos came back, that was when the, really that was a moment for a time for Tampa that was like, oh, Tampa's going to win this thing because there was nothing. And we were facing the stars that year, if i remember correctly, um when Stamkos came back and maybe he only played two games, but man, when he came when he came back and he scored that goal, that was that was the end all be all. That was the moment that you could tell that the Lightning were going to win the cup.
00:07:08
Justin Daulton
And that feels like what Vegas got with Mark Stelman coming back. You get your captain back in play. not only does he get a goal he gets an assist he has two points on the night you know it's that's that spark plug that you needed to go on and not just take that game but very much feel like they can take this series now I don't think that's Tortorella I think there legitimately is the guys are playing for each other and they want to win this as much as I don't want Vegas to win this because i don't like any new teams going out being successful as much as they have um but man you you've got to be impressed with what they were able to do last night and you you now have four opportunities to close up this series obviously don't want get it to the fourth you don't want you don't want to go to game seven but unprecedented man to to to see this from a team that especially from a colorado team that is stacked from top to bottom that looks like they were the ones that were going to win this whole this whole damn thing and now on the brink of elimination not just an elimination but as a sweep
00:07:23
Cody Atkinson
Mm-hmm.
00:08:05
Cody Atkinson
yeah and that's the thing right colorado was they were they were not only the best with the top line and that's what you're seeing with like the kale mccarr absence the nathan mckinnon injury but they were the best with the depth too like brent burns my possibly favorite favorite hockey player of all time is on that team they traded for a cadre and was at wah at the deadline um those were two big acquisitions like They, they are a team with depth. So even with the injuries, this is an incredibly incredibly impressive performance by Vegas to be up three. Oh, um, I do hope that McKinnon and nutrition nutrition get healthy. that we can push this. My preference ultimately would be to see Vegas end this in six.
00:08:51
Cody Atkinson
um I believe if I, if it's the two, two, one, one, one, that would end it in Vegas, which would be electric.
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00:08:58
Cody Atkinson
You get the upset, you get the adrenaline, but also going into that game six would be just like, you'rere you're nuts in your stomach.
00:09:06
Cody Atkinson
You know, you're just like, it would be such a, ah just a,
00:09:06
Justin Daulton
Thank
00:09:12
Cody Atkinson
stressful experience you'd be you'd really be feeling the comeback i i really hope we get something of this this is by far the most shocking series um of this entire postseason but it is not the most entertaining in my opinion and i think that's what carolina and montreal are giving you right now as montreal continues to do what they do which is never win more than one game in a row Montreal comes out, punches Carolina in the mouth in Carolina.
00:09:36
Justin Daulton
if Yeah. Look, game one.
00:09:42
Cody Atkinson
Part of Carolina success is not losing one of the first two at home. They, that when they're on, they're doing that. But Montreal punches them in the mouth. Uh, if I recall, I don't have the score locked in my brain, but it was like, it was a beat down.
00:09:54
Cody Atkinson
If I recall, i think it was like five to two, six to two, something like that.
00:09:56
Justin Daulton
the game one
00:09:58
Cody Atkinson
Yeah. Game one, i think it was five, five to two, maybe with an empty netter. Um, It was beat down. Carolina comes back, sends it to overtime game two. We're back tied to one. Last I checked, Carolina was up two to one in game three today.
00:10:12
Cody Atkinson
ah i don't know, man. Montreal is, ah might be just the best thing that ever happened to hockey this postseason, giving us two seven game series in a row and and maybe another one. ah once Once you got the the score from game one, just give me your thoughts on the series.
00:10:29
Justin Daulton
Yeah, the series so far, six to two game one.
00:10:32
Cody Atkinson
That's what it was, 62.
00:10:32
Justin Daulton
And then there was empty netters involved there. And then in overtime on Saturday. And it's currently tied in the second period as of recording right now.
00:10:42
Cody Atkinson
Could you ask for more?
00:10:42
Justin Daulton
So, no, absolutely not.
00:10:43
Cody Atkinson
Like, could you? Like, this is, it's incredible.
00:10:47
Cody Atkinson
It's incredible stuff, man.
00:10:47
Justin Daulton
Yeah, absolutely not.
00:10:49
Justin Daulton
You're scoring. Shane goes severe in the first period for Carolina. Yeah. Mike Matheson for Montreal, and Taylor Hall for Carolina, and then Lane Hudson in the second for Montreal. So tied 2-2.
00:11:05
Justin Daulton
And, I mean, Boett's lopsided. 20 shots on goal by Carolina, 9 shots on goal by Montreal. So definitely Montreal doing exactly how they beat Tampa. Just playing playing defense and hoping your goalie stops every single shot that comes his way.
00:11:20
Justin Daulton
But, yeah, I mean, you –
00:11:20
Cody Atkinson
Basically.
00:11:21
Justin Daulton
you you you hit it right on right out the park, man. There is not a single team that is delivering what we need in the Stanley Cup playoffs other than Montreal, and I hate that it's Montreal that's doing it, but we talked about it when they beat Tampa in round one that that was the Stanley Cup final, or the Eastern Conference final at least, right?
00:11:39
Cody Atkinson
The Eastern Conference final, yeah.
00:11:40
Justin Daulton
Yeah. um So like that was deservedly so what we what we should have had in the Eastern Conference final. Then it was followed up with the sequel in that, you know, you could have been convinced that Buffalo, you know, as much as it wasn't a super entertaining series, still win seven games with the drama in the seventh game about kind of how that that game ended, the goal, no goal, the referee blowing the whistle too early, whatever you want whatever you want to call it.
00:11:54
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
00:12:03
Justin Daulton
Montreal is playing a electric hockey and they went out and like you said, they, they took care of business in game one against a team that looked predestined to make it all the way to the, to the Stanley cup finals.
00:12:14
Justin Daulton
And now Carolina's on their heels. They obviously took game two, but man, like, What's going to happen to punch, counterpunch all the way through the series? We're going to have another seven-game series, and Montreal's going to play 21 games before they even make it to the Stanley Cup Finals? like That's insane.
00:12:30
Justin Daulton
But man, you want to talk about an electric Stanley Cup Final between two teams that are absolutely hated and the Montreal Canadiens and the Los Angeles Golden Knights is kind of what we're almost in the way looking at right now.
00:12:43
Cody Atkinson
I mean, we're at the point where no matter this point forward, no matter what happens, we are going to be very excited and very like satisfied with the the Stanley Cup final that we're given. If it's Vegas-Montreal, that's going to be electric. If it's Vegas-Carolina, that's still going to be electric. Carolina-Colorado, now that Colorado looks ah vulnerable, still electric. And then Montreal-Colorado, if you want to give the world that, like – Just watch out because that might be the craziest thing that anyone's ever witnessed. If that's the series that we get, no matter what happens, we're going to be very happy with Stanley cup final. I, I think to, to your point, it was a very good point.
00:13:21
Cody Atkinson
The Eastern conference is just flexing its depth in this playoff run. You Tampa Bay, ah Montreal could have maybe should have been the Eastern conference final Buffalo, Montreal could have maybe should have been the Eastern conference final Carolina, Montreal, is the Eastern Conference Final and is showing that it likely, that that it also likely is the one that that we should have gotten all along. um It's just flexing.
00:13:47
Cody Atkinson
The Eastern Conference is flexing in this in this this playoff run. It's incredible. You know, obviously no shade to Vegas, Colorado. I hope that that turns around to give us something great. But at at this point, there's no doubt in my mind that we're getting at least six games of peak hockey with Carolina, Montreal, and I cannot...
00:14:07
Cody Atkinson
Cannot wait for it and we'll be we'll be here to discuss it every week. um if We are not hockey experts by any means, but we are we are lovers of the game and we will we will be discussing it every week. But we got to kick it over to the thing that that is closest to your heart right now. That's Rays baseball. We're doing the wrap up a little differently this week because you had some thoughts that you wanted to get off. So why don't you let us know how the Rays did this week? and then And then we can argue about your did the this proposal you sent earlier in the week.
00:14:37
Justin Daulton
i A bit of a middle-of-the-run week for for Tampa. Over the weekend, split the split's the series with the Yankees, so one-on-one. The Saturday game gets rained out, gets postponed to September.
00:14:50
Justin Daulton
um So definitely and what we would infer is a very meaningful game come September, especially if the the division continues way that it is.
00:14:55
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
00:14:59
Justin Daulton
Finished off the sweep last week of the Blue Jays. As we recorded last week, we talked about the Blue Jays game. um And today losing a heartbreaker in a stranding to Baltimore. um So an up and down week, but not without it.
00:15:11
Justin Daulton
A very competitive week. And obviously pretty much all division games too. So you're definitely getting a ah taste of what the rest of the season is going to be like. Playing New York, playing Baltimore, playing Toronto. so But i mean I was still impressed what I saw.
00:15:25
Justin Daulton
ah Nick Martinez goes out those games. an incredible game one on Friday night. was texting you as that game was going on. And then obviously that was the return to Garrett Cole. Garrett Cole threw lights out six innings of of no run baseball.
00:15:39
Justin Daulton
I think it was like three or four hits in one walk. So looked to electric in in his return back. I think the they the the rumor that I was reading out there the early game was that he was on an innings count, not a pitch count.
00:15:50
Justin Daulton
So he wasn't allowed to go past six, which is fine. um But Nick Martinez continues to do what he does best and then Rasmussen goes out, throws another great game on Sunday, and then the bullpen just kind of falls apart towards the end of the game, which is fine. It's going to happen time to time.
00:16:08
Justin Daulton
But honestly, a good play. still competitive game, and today it was just – the Something that i think we can talk about later on is the extra innings. I think came back to bite us with putting runners on base and putting the bullpen in a stressful situation to today's game.
00:16:23
Justin Daulton
So I don't fault the the team for today's game. We still fought through three straight extra innings where each team put up runs, um and it just came out to one bad pitch, and that's all it took for Baltimore to win the game.
00:16:36
Justin Daulton
So I feel good about the week should be fine going into next week. There's no cause for concerns. I'm still a team that has the second or third best record in baseball. I have to check to see where exactly where they fell.
00:16:47
Justin Daulton
But there was a time I think after we recorded last week that the Tampa Bay Rays had the best record in baseball by winning percentage because they didn't play, they haven played the same games amount of games as the Braves. So yeah,
00:16:58
Justin Daulton
ah You and I talked about it, man. like, who would have thought? no one no No one in baseball media predicted this.
00:17:03
Cody Atkinson
No.
00:17:03
Justin Daulton
We we didn't predict it. So best record in baseball, no.
00:17:06
Cody Atkinson
The Rays didn't predict it. like The Rays didn't think they were going to hit this, you know?
00:17:11
Justin Daulton
Yeah. But then I sent you a TikTok. It was either Wednesday or Thursday. And it was a thought that I had had prior to even getting that is with the situation that the Tampa Bay Rays are in, we're going to be buyers at the trade deadline.
00:17:26
Justin Daulton
And we have the fifth we we have the fifth lowest payroll in baseball, which means we have the capacity to go out and pick up a superstar.
00:17:27
Cody Atkinson
Absolutely should be.
00:17:34
Justin Daulton
Whether it's a bat or an arm, bullpen arms, whatever may be, there is a position for the Tampa and Marisa by at the deadline. And a thought that I wanted to throw out there was Jordan Alvarez was the name that came up on this TikTok.
00:17:47
Justin Daulton
And it was a thought that I had as well.
00:17:48
Cody Atkinson
It's just offensive. Just an offensive thought.
00:17:52
Justin Daulton
um but at the end of the day when you look at the the the outfield for the Rays, bottom third in the league in power and above average in fielding. So like really not a whole lot to write home about.
00:18:08
Justin Daulton
You're anchored by Cedric Mullins center, but then your left fielder fielder are really not a whole lot to write home about. So your weakness comes with the fact that, A, you need more power in the lineup, but you need some sort of pop in the outfield.
00:18:22
Justin Daulton
And there's no one in professional baseball that has more pop in the outfield. And it's probably about an average to above average outfield player in terms of fielding. And it's Jordan Alvarez.
00:18:34
Justin Daulton
And he's got an affordable contract that the Rays can, that can hold on to for the next one I think he's under contract for the next two years. Gets him to.
00:18:42
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, i don't I don't know if it's this the rest of this year plus one or if it's the rest of this year plus two.
00:18:42
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
00:18:46
Cody Atkinson
I always get it mixed up. But yeah, it's another one to two years after this year.
00:18:48
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
00:18:51
Justin Daulton
but it's an affordable contract that doesn't bog down Tampa, which has been a team that does not want like to spend money, but you can very well basically rent him for the next two seasons. You can probably find a way for for the Astros to send some money along with it to make it a little bit more palatable for the Rays.
00:19:08
Justin Daulton
But, I mean, you're talking about a team, and i think this is where we're going to flow into your side of things, is it all hinges on what the Astros want to do through this through the rest of the season, right?
00:19:19
Justin Daulton
You know, we've talked a little bit about it, that the the Astros, are they going are they going to go into the full rebuild? Are they going to... kind of stay at home and then let it ride out and see what happens with the GM situation.
00:19:32
Justin Daulton
you know, the the coaching situation, what happens, you know, do you, and and do you just try to rebuild the farm and build it back up the same way that you built it 10 plus years ago. So for me, yes, the Rays are going be buyers. Is your Don available? You're going to tell me yes or no here in a second. If your Don is even going to be available, but I think there's plenty of names that are going to be out there.
00:19:54
Justin Daulton
come July. And I think the, the race have a really good opportunity to buy someone at the deadline. And it's going to help this team because we need power. And that's a lot easier to find than a closer or another four or five arm for the rotation.
00:20:11
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, so I, in principle, on your side of the discussion, I agree with everything you're saying, right? The Rays absolutely should be buyers. They did not plan to be this good this year, so they don't have, they they don't have all of the pieces you need to win a World Series. um So they absolutely should take advantage of this style of baseball they're playing, this this vibe that they have to to build for another championship window. The Rays work in like Like any team that's not the Dodgers or the Mets, like the the Rays work in windows, right? We're competitive. Now we're rebuilding. Now we're rebuilding. The Astros are the same way because they only go up to ah the Astros just throw a combined no hitter. Let's go.
00:20:58
Justin Daulton
Nice.
00:20:58
Cody Atkinson
I told you I was being distracted.
00:20:59
Justin Daulton
it
00:21:01
Cody Atkinson
We'll touch on this in a second. So um the Astros are the same way. Open window, close window. there's There's a couple things working against you. for any sort of your on trade, right? I think as of right now, it is still more likely than not based on the season up to this point that the Astros are sellers at the deadline. Granted, they ah they swept Chicago this weekend.
00:21:26
Cody Atkinson
so they're coming off a four and two weekend. They just beat Texas as four wins in a row. the The vibes are up, but you know there's still a lot of work to be done to get back into a competitive window because you're still seven games below 500 on May 25th. There's a lot of work to be done. It is still more likely than not that this is a team that's selling.
00:21:48
Cody Atkinson
few things. um like Like you mentioned, Dana Brown, the GM, is ah currently a lame duck general manager. His contract runs out at the end of the year. There's a question amongst the fans um and the media surrounding the team of what will Dana Brown be allowed to do this year? Is he going to be allowed to trade contracts that have multiple years on it? Like, are you going to let someone who based on not giving him an extension, you don't believe is going to be a part of this franchise going forward? are you going to let him make those decisions?
00:22:20
Cody Atkinson
My opinion is yes, because I still think he killed the Kyle Tucker trade getting, uh, a Cam Smith, who's you know still very young, very up and down, but showing a ton of potential. Isak Paredes, and they got a pitcher who blew his elbow. That's not that it's not their fault. they That was a great trade.
00:22:36
Cody Atkinson
um my My thought on that is yes, but the other thing you have working against you is that um Jim Crane, the owner of the Astros, has consistently said since he bought the team up until this year, he's repeated it, that the window will always be open while he's the owner.
00:22:54
Cody Atkinson
And so that makes me believe that the Astros will not attempt any rebuild that they believe is going to take longer than maybe two to three years tops. So,
00:23:05
Cody Atkinson
that That comes up to the end of Jordan's contract. But if he's backing up what he's saying, then what you do is you extend Jordan and he's the centerpiece that's still there when everything else gets back to the the majors. That's what I believe is the most likely.
00:23:22
Cody Atkinson
is that even if they're sellers, that Jordan is the centerpiece waiting for the young guys to get to the league. He's the guy showing them how to be a major leaguer. He's the guy setting the culture, doing these things. And so I don't expect him to be traded. The other side of that is if they know for a fact that Jordan is not going to sign an extension,
00:23:45
Cody Atkinson
then you absolutely have to not get Shohei'd like the Angels did. And you have to get something back because you saw what Juan Soto got back in his trade. You could get back someone's dang near the entire upper echelon of their farm system, which would be huge for the Astros.
00:23:55
Justin Daulton
Thank you.
00:24:00
Cody Atkinson
So, um, I do think absolutely the Rays should be buyers. I would love, love, love to see the Rays get a true superstar, like a Jordan caliber player.
00:24:10
Cody Atkinson
um If that player's coming from the Astros, I feel like that player is Jeremy Pena this year because he we have missed the window on signing him long term.
00:24:21
Cody Atkinson
if The ah ownership believes that we will not be competitive for the next year and a half. Then I absolutely think they're going to capitalize on selling Jeremy Pena before the lockout when prices are going to be crazy because teams are trying to win before we maybe lose baseball for a year. So um that's my thought. Also, you mentioned closer. like you You could also see Josh Hader there. He's getting paid $1.
00:24:47
Cody Atkinson
15, he's going to pay $19 million dollars a year. Um, again, maybe throw some cash in with that to get prospects from a team that doesn't want to pay that.
00:24:57
Cody Atkinson
Um, but I think those are the guys that you see get moved. If we move, I, I do not believe that the, that they can or will move on from Jordan. Um,
00:25:12
Cody Atkinson
Again, part of that also is this team went 4-2 last week, 5-2 now that they just beat the Rangers. They threw a combined no-hitter to beat the Rangers 9-0 tonight. that They are a team, and based on the way the ownership approaches this, that I think will be it will have to be the most obvious decision in the world for them to sell if they're going to do it. Other than that, they're going to keep doing what they've been doing, right or wrong, of trying to plug holes on the ship and stay competitive. That has not been the right decision the last two years, but I expect them to carry that on this year unless it's so atrocious that they can't deny it.
00:25:54
Cody Atkinson
um The team is currently looking to show that they will make it a very difficult decision to sell, especially with you've got Hunter Brown, Josh Hader, both on the way back.
00:26:07
Cody Atkinson
um and and a team that's that's playing its best baseball of the season right now. So I'll kick it back to you. um You should absolutely go for Jordan. I don't think it's reasonable, but um i do hope y'all go get a superstar and make it really fun because we need to see a superstar in a raised jersey. We don't to see that a lot.
00:26:26
Justin Daulton
Yeah, I mean, I even tell the last time we had a super, like, that type of superstar in a raising a corner.
00:26:30
Cody Atkinson
Yeah. We see soon to be superstars in Raid. Like you see Blake Snell in a Raid's uniform.
00:26:35
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
00:26:37
Cody Atkinson
You see Tyler Glass now. You see Chris Archer. Like you see these guys, but it's like, yeah.
00:26:41
Justin Daulton
Kim Inero right now, that is, um you know,
00:26:43
Cody Atkinson
Yeah. Kamenaro right now. yeah absolutely.
00:26:45
Justin Daulton
Yeah, I mean, talking about Raids uniforms, something I haven't sent you yet, but July 21st, whatever that weekend is, the Raids are officially retired at Verlon Correa's number three jersey.
00:26:57
Cody Atkinson
Nice.
00:26:57
Justin Daulton
um
00:26:58
Justin Daulton
Rightfully so. um Best player to ever wear a Tampa Bay Raids jersey. And so he definitely deserves to have his number retired and and put in the rafters um and hopefully in a new ballpark here in it's couple of years, whenever we get that final vote.
00:27:11
Justin Daulton
um But yeah, I think ultimately, even if it's not Jordan, the Rays need to make a splash. I don't think you need to do a whole lot in terms of pitching but i definitely think you need to figure out how to get more power in this lineup because the way that we play baseball it's get chandler simpson on the field on the base path let him steal second and then get some sort of bloop single um or you get a yandy bomb or you get a camonero bomb um and that's really the the result of our of our office of output unless it's like a taylor waltz bloop single whatever it may be um
00:27:45
Justin Daulton
So, yeah, I mean, I don't know where it's to come from. The Jordan thing day it's just exciting in general because you never get to see the Rays talk about that.
00:27:50
Cody Atkinson
yeah
00:27:53
Justin Daulton
um Funnily enough, Dallas sent me a thing on Instagram today talking about how in 2023, the Rays basically – the rays were basically one of the final teams in contention to get Shohei Otani before he left to the Dodgers, um, that same, that same off season.
00:28:09
Cody Atkinson
or
00:28:11
Justin Daulton
Um, but the deal will cost at the core of it, junior Caminero and a couple other prospects. Um, I am glad it didn't happen. If you would have asked me in 2023, if I was happy that it didn't happen, I'd be like, absolutely not.
00:28:25
Justin Daulton
I want Shohei Otani in a Rays uniform. But when you talk about what would have happened is obviously he still goes to the Dodgers in 2024 and 2025 wins a world series. um But at the, but at the core of that, how excited would that have been to have Shohei Otani for four months in a Rays uniform and potentially win a world series.
00:28:43
Justin Daulton
And that's a whole different question. Like, would I take Shohei world series and that's so that's it and i'm not competitive for the next five years have taken that in a heartbeat like um yeah um would i do it for the long term now like retrospectively absolutely because i don't give up junior camanero and the other prox that were on that list um
00:28:52
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, a hundred percent. like No questions asked. That's what you, that's what you do these deals for. like
00:29:05
Cody Atkinson
If you promise me a world series, I still, I don't care. I i do. I still do it now,
00:29:11
Justin Daulton
i still want the window to be open though like i think it
00:29:13
Cody Atkinson
but you, you would have one, like you don't have, you, you, know you've, you've never seen one, right? Like just having one in the pocket.
00:29:19
Justin Daulton
Sure.
00:29:22
Cody Atkinson
Having that experience and then being like, the window will open again. i'm not, like, I trust the process, but I got my one and I just, I'm just going to like so hug, hug this like replica trophy when I go to sleep.
00:29:35
Cody Atkinson
Like, you know I mean? Like it, I say no matter what, if the window's closed for 10 years, but you got the world series, like take it. Cause that's what, but that's what we, that's what we spend our whole lives hoping to see.
00:29:45
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
00:29:47
Cody Atkinson
And like a lot of people never see it.
00:29:49
Justin Daulton
True. I don't know. well We'll see as we go through the next couple of months. I mean, there's going be names that pop up because there's so many teams that are going to be like, all right, cool. I'm good with selling and starting to rebuild. You know, I saw something today that said, go in out go ahead and pick up the phone and call Minnesota and go get Byron Buxton.
00:30:04
Justin Daulton
Do whatever it takes to get him into the into a race uniform.
00:30:04
Cody Atkinson
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:30:07
Justin Daulton
Wouldn't be mad at that because he just fits into the vibe what Tampa does because he does... the speed on the base path, he does he has power in the outfield. He has that fun, flowy offensive style that that you see in Tampa.
00:30:20
Justin Daulton
um So I definitely would love to see – I could see us realistically going and getting a Byron Buxton, someone that's in the the latter half of his career. Obviously, he's not as young as he once was, but he's someone that you still can get, you know, good quality three to four years and you can reaffirm – you know, rework his contract on the back end. So that wouldn't be a name that I would be mad at either because it's someone that adds that type of experience into a lineup that doesn't need a whole lot of help, but does need a little bit more to push it into October.
00:30:49
Cody Atkinson
yeah Yeah, I mean, and if the Astros don't bounce back, I still think you absolutely can look Houston's way. I don't know your roster construction, but like Jeremy Pena will be on the block if the Astros don't melt back.
00:31:01
Cody Atkinson
Christian Walker could be on the block. He's the guy they tried to trade in the off season, couldn't, but is currently playing at an all-star caliber level. I think he has 16, 15 or 16 home runs this year. He's hit four in the last four games.
00:31:14
Cody Atkinson
um He is playing at an incredible level. he showed that last year's issues were a lingering back issue that, you know, Or is it at back or oblique or something that really slowed him in the first half?
00:31:25
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
00:31:27
Cody Atkinson
His second half of the season was great. There were questions if he would bounce back this year. He's been nothing but all-star caliber this year. i think a a Josh Hader, if you're looking fuel bullpen, like you absolutely still can and should look Houston's way if they are sellers.
00:31:42
Cody Atkinson
I just think Jordan and maybe Hunter Brown are going to be the the untouchables when it comes to names people are definitely calling about, but probably not going to get moved this year um to buy time to try to get a contract in place. And then if they can't, then maybe you see them get moved.
00:31:58
Cody Atkinson
down the road but yeah i absolutely um i can't wait to see what tampa does they're playing with house money ah and their their their manager's name is cash so like they they got it all um i byron buxton would be a great one i think the orioles probably have some guys um i'm just thinking of a team underperforming the mets obviously i don't know if there's anyone in the red sox they were Looking at, like like I think, Willier, Abreu, Jaron Duran, they have an outfield surplus that they tried to move in the offseason, so maybe there's something there.
00:32:30
Cody Atkinson
there's There's definitely teams to go for, and I really do hope the Rays go all in at the moment.
00:32:30
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
00:32:35
Cody Atkinson
It's looking like the Astros are going to try to play themselves back into contention um because they are on currently, I think, the biggest heater of the season since they swept the Red Sox in games five, six, and seven of the season. This is the best ah best run they've had since then.
00:32:53
Cody Atkinson
And the guy that threw the last two. So let me we'll move on, but let me paint a little picture of this combined no-hitter for you. I did a little bit in the pre-show. Tatsuya Imai has been absolute buns this year.
00:33:05
Cody Atkinson
and he He took a month off for arm soreness. He has discussed the mound difference between Japan and the U.S. He has discussed the ball difference. He has discussed the pitch clock difference. He has discussed the overall culture difference. Every time he pitches bad, he's got something.
00:33:20
Cody Atkinson
um and And he has just been wearing down fans. He comes out in this game. He walks the first batter on five pitches. The only strike he threw was an inch above the zone. And I think the umpire felt bad for him.
00:33:32
Cody Atkinson
Next batter, he walks him on four pitches.
00:33:33
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
00:33:35
Cody Atkinson
Next batter, he gets another generous strike call um to to take the count to two and one. Ends up throwing three strikes in that at bat, gets a double play, walks the next batter, then gets a pop out to get out of the first inning.
00:33:48
Cody Atkinson
He walked three batters in the first inning alone. um managed to get out unscathed after throwing 25 pitches maybe ah goes on to throw six innings of no hit they pass it on to the bullpen one inning from stephen okert and then they give the last two innings to a kid that was making his mlb debut and he gave you two he gave you two innings of no hit baseball they took the rangers down nine to zero that is by far the most improbable no hitter that i've ever experienced i
00:34:23
Cody Atkinson
that's Amanda was looking at stuff online while I was watching it and I had to explain to her, i was like, this guy has thrown 12 pitches and only one of them has been a legitimate strike. I've never seen someone this, like have this much trouble finding the zone. And it goes on that they throw a no hitter in the same game that I, that I make that statement. Unbelievable.
00:34:46
Cody Atkinson
just wanted to shout that out since it happened. It literally finished while we were recording. So a
College Baseball Playoffs Preview
00:34:53
Cody Atkinson
shout out to that. But that's a good topic, man. I'm i'm very excited for um all the trade deadline content. if If you want to bring a different proposal every week, I'm happy to just do like, can the Rays get this guy?
00:35:03
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
00:35:06
Cody Atkinson
Should they get this guy? um Because i love I love trade deadline talk. But but with that, we're goingnna we're going to kick it over. we'll We'll wrap the rundown up pretty quickly because i don't you're not you're not big into college baseball.
00:35:17
Cody Atkinson
So I'll just give you some fun facts here. um And then we can move on um and get going with the notifications and the yeah the breakdown. So ah the the road to Omaha is set as of 1130 this morning.
00:35:32
Cody Atkinson
um Texas A&M is the 12 seed in ah in in the playoffs, which... is a real shock they thought they were fighting for the eight seed ah they end up getting the 12th felt like a real slap in the face um they are set to host usc texas state and lamar this weekend so if you're not familiar with the the structure it's 64 teams 16 regionals so four teams in each regional you play Double elimination.
00:35:59
Cody Atkinson
ah Last team standing moves on to the next round. So this weekend, 64 enter 16 will leave. um it's Honestly, I think a little bit of a good draw. Lamar is is a very good four seed with a very good pitcher, but a team that we should be able to be Texas state can slug it.
00:36:15
Cody Atkinson
But again, a team we should be able to be USC coming in as your number two seed. is one in nine against a quad one opponents. So the that the 10 most difficult games they've played this season, they are one in nine that, that, that sets up for potentially a very good matchup for A&M. If A&M were to advance past opening weekend, you would likely be traveling to Chapel Hill to play UNC, which I would be very excited about because that would just be um just a,
00:36:46
Cody Atkinson
A cool vibe series. um Just a ah good team we don't really often get to play. ah Good, fun way of baseball. And they have a beautiful ballpark out there. So that would be a lot of fun.
00:36:58
Cody Atkinson
i came up with just a few fun facts for you here. So easiest regional is either UCLA or Alabama. UCLA, as expected, they're the one seed. You would think that they have the easiest path.
00:37:08
Cody Atkinson
um Alabama gets Oklahoma State, who can be difficult, but they also get South Carolina Upstate and Alabama State as their three and four. So it really feels going into that, that it's it's Alabama versus Oklahoma State.
00:37:23
Cody Atkinson
And you've got to be feeling really good going into a regional, feeling like you have one one opponent you need to take down. Hardest regional? is either the one that we're paired up against UNC Regional, where they have a very good Tennessee team coming to town, a very good East Carolina team coming to town, and a VCU team that that that ah should not be overlooked, or Nebraska, who has Ole Miss and Arizona State in their regional. That's that's ah that's not a cakewalk by any means. a Biggest snub, the Mercer Bears went forty four and fifteen this season.
00:37:58
Cody Atkinson
They or had the 28th best RPI and the 28th best ELO. These are just measures, you know different analytical measures of of team and season performance. So um they they were ranked 28th best. they They had a series win over Troy and the Citadel, who both made the tournament.
00:38:16
Cody Atkinson
And they had a midweek win over Georgia Tech, who's the number two seed in the tournament. ah Just a very, very strong resume to get snubbed. And they got snubbed for Kentucky. who went 13 and 17 in the sec 13 and 18 if you count their loss in the sec tournament all so see all season they won two two sec tournament or two sec series all season they lost four series to sec teams that missed the postseason that was uh lsu south carolina vanderbilt and ah missouri and that's easy to list because i'm
00:38:55
Cody Atkinson
90% sure those were the only four SEC teams that missed the tournament. And they lost a series to all of them. And they were under 500 in conference play. I i think it's absolutely disgusting that Kentucky got in over Mercer.
00:39:08
Cody Atkinson
um Unfortunately, it's a little bit of a statement on college sports as a whole, where ah the the big guys get all of the cushion in the world. And if you're a little guy, you have to be perfect. Mercer lost its conference tournament.
00:39:21
Cody Atkinson
And because of that, 44 wins was not enough, despite having ah metrics that would almost guarantee you a spot. So all that to be said, college baseball, if you're a fan of postseason play, this is the best college format in sports. They're killing March Madness, but they haven't killed college baseball yet. It is electric. If you miss siot Cinderella runs from March Madness, then get locked into college baseball because last last year, mury so Murray State was a four seed who who made it all the way to Omaha. So Get locked in game start on Friday. They'll be running through ah through Monday, some probably leakage on to Tuesday. The best time of year for college baseball. i I'm stoked for it.
00:40:05
Cody Atkinson
um If you have any thoughts, let me know or you can kick it over to the notifications. Man, I'm stoked. I know you're not locked in on this all year, but but I hope you check out some of the postseason play.
00:40:15
Justin Daulton
I may not be locked in, but you know this is when I turn it on. So I definitely be watching the College Station Regional um
00:40:18
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
00:40:22
Justin Daulton
only note that i have ah texas a and m played tech state
00:40:27
Justin Daulton
ah opponents. First one, March 17th at Bluebell Park.
00:40:29
Cody Atkinson
e
00:40:31
Justin Daulton
A&M won 9-6. And then on on April 7th, went to Texas State and lost 9-8. So both high-scoring games.
00:40:39
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
00:40:40
Justin Daulton
So if a A&M eventually will play Texas State. I believe when you said they're slated to play the second game, which you assume would be on
00:40:47
Cody Atkinson
Well, it It'll be a little bit of – because A&M will play Lamar. ah USC will play Texas State Friday. um And then it'll be like kind of winner's bracket, loser's bracket. So there is a chance that if A&M goes to the winner's bracket, Texas State goes to the load losers and never makes it out, then you might not run into them.
00:41:07
Cody Atkinson
um But if you – yeah, the most likely –
00:41:07
Justin Daulton
and Okay, so then you maybe have to play Lamar twice or you would get, then you would get Texas State in an elimination game.
00:41:13
Cody Atkinson
The most likely outcome is you play Lamar, then you play USC, and then USC makes a loser's bracket run and you have to play USC more. um
00:41:22
Justin Daulton
Got
00:41:22
Cody Atkinson
If chalk holds, you could avoid Texas State that way. um But, yeah, Texas State is is ah colloquially known as slam Marcus in in baseball because they can slug it.
00:41:33
Justin Daulton
it. Okay.
00:41:35
Cody Atkinson
um So it would be a lot of fun to see them play. And for that reason, there's a lot of chance that they could upset USC. You see Texas State game two. The good news is in the midweek, um you're often throwing out ah kind of freshman arms or – arms that you're trying to test the reliability.
00:41:52
Cody Atkinson
So some of the run some of the runs that A&M gave up in those games is a little bit of ah the nature of of the beast of just like, we got to get guys some work and this is where we get it and we might lose some because of that, but that's that's how it's going to be.
00:42:03
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
00:42:06
Cody Atkinson
So um it's an electric regional. ah USC or Texas State, is going to they're they're going to put up some games for us.
00:42:14
Justin Daulton
Absolutely. Only thing I'll say about Samark is good comic book source.
00:42:18
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, very good.
Tributes & Achievements in Other Sports
00:42:21
Justin Daulton
All right, moving on to notifications. Starting with little bit of a somber note. We don't really talk
00:42:29
Justin Daulton
But early in my life, I used to watch a lot of NASCAR racing on Sundays, and Busch was someone that was super prominent on those Sundays. A lot of a lot of wins for Kyle Busch, not my favorite racer growing up, but someone that you had to admire in the way that he competed, the way that he raced.
00:42:46
Justin Daulton
um race very much like you expected like an old head very dylan hart senior type of mentality um regrettably or sadly um mournfully passed away this past week uh to severe pneumonia um that led into sepsis um leave us behind two kids and a wife um but stats for you on the sports side of things 234 career victories in the top three circuits at nascar um such truck series whatever they call the medium series now it used to be the bush series for me um And then the NASCAR cup series being the top one.
00:43:16
Justin Daulton
And that is the most all time, 234 victories, time NASCAR cup champion and 19 straight seasons with at least one victory um is also the most all time. i You got to go ahead and say that he's a a hall of famer in his sport.
00:43:30
Justin Daulton
Um, but gone away too soon, passed away at 30, think 37 was the age that I saw, um, way, way too young for, for, for him to pass away. Um, but, uh, amazing tribute to all this weekend. This is one of the biggest weekends in racing with the Indy 500. Um, and then the Coca, the Coca-Cola 600 out here in Daytona, uh, and both, uh, both races showed a really great tribute to him.
00:43:53
Justin Daulton
Um, family came out, um, and honored him and moment of silence, all that stuff. So, So heart goes out to to that family and the NASCAR losing an amazing competitor and someone that a lot of people will admire for for a long time to come.
00:44:10
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, absolutely. but the The last time I was locked in on NASCAR, it was Mark Martin versus Jeff Gordon. It's been a very long time, but um even I was aware of of how great Kyle Busch was as a driver and it's ah the sporting community, the NASCAR community, every community that he was a part of, it is a you know significant loss and our hearts go out to them. Absolutely.
00:44:35
Justin Daulton
Yeah. Um, not a whole lot to say here, but just want to give a tip of the hat. I think we should do this for any, for any of the major leagues when they wrap up. Um, but a nice little hat tip to Arsenal winning the premier league, um, this season. Um, I'm not an Arsenal fan. i'm actually an Arsenal rival, um, with being a Chelsea FC fan. So not happy with the verdict.
00:44:52
Justin Daulton
Um, but Chelsea, uh, very much still in play with other leagues right now. So we'll, we'll see how that plays out, but tip of the hat to Arsenal for winning the premier That's a tough one to, that's a tough league to win no matter what on, on any normal year.
00:45:04
Justin Daulton
Um, Something to mention is relegation is Tottenham Hotspur avoids relegation um this past year, which would have been a big Premier League team going back down to champion one. So interesting to see how Tottenham bounces back this next season.
00:45:18
Justin Daulton
And then obviously I'll be locked in on. the transfer window for Chelsea as we get kind of locked into next year and see what happens with them. I try to watch at least a couple of games throughout the, throughout the year. They play on Saturdays and I work Saturday morning, so difficult to watch them, but I try to at least keep a little eye on the premier league soccer.
00:45:34
Justin Daulton
Do you have anything to say about premier league? Okay.
00:45:37
Cody Atkinson
No, I don't. i never fully finished picking a team. i I don't really pay attention to it, but yeah, definitely shout out to Arsenal for ah for winning the Premier League.
00:45:49
Justin Daulton
And the last thing for note, something that we'll talk a little bit here in the next month or so, um as it gets a little bit closer, obviously on a full deep dive, because you and I, are as we just talked about, not big soccer fans, but we at least let the walk in on international play.
00:46:01
Justin Daulton
Just a little note is that the United States men's national team has set their roster for the World Cup. um Names in there that you expect. Christian Polisic still in there. Captain America that plays out in Germany.
00:46:12
Justin Daulton
A few other names that are playing in the Premier League. So obviously we're starting to see um the fruits of the labor in terms of U.S. soccer coming into the forefront, at least on the men's side. We've seen it on the women's side for for decades now.
00:46:25
Justin Daulton
So it's good to see homegrown talent playing international soccer in these big leagues, Premier League, you know, and La Liga and all them. So good to see that there's some names that are popping up in those in those leagues now, which has to give some hope to this this national team playing really good soccer this summer and hopefully some sort of run, we would we would hope.
00:46:51
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, yeah, we we would hope. But it's exciting for the roster to be set because that is just another reminder that it is almost here. um
00:46:57
Justin Daulton
Yeah, great.
00:46:59
Cody Atkinson
I think it's like June 11th or something like that. So very very, very near. I'm excited for it to get going. Hopefully we get locked into it and we can talk about it, but not big soccer guys, so don't expect anything intelligent to be said between the two of us.
00:47:15
Justin Daulton
Definitely will try my best to watch a couple of the games, for sure. Because i love World Cup hockey. World Cup hockey is electric. Or hockingina hockey, not hockey, soccer. World Cup soccer is it is as electric as World Cup
00:47:23
Cody Atkinson
Soccer. Yeah, yeah. Hockey, also electric.
00:47:28
Justin Daulton
That's it for
Top 10 College Quarterbacks of All Time
00:47:29
Justin Daulton
notifications, man. Any last minute thoughts before we jump into the list?
00:47:32
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, absolutely not. I'm ready to get into this list. but Let's do it.
00:47:37
Justin Daulton
All right, man. So the way that we got got this, um I tasked you with giving me a top 10 college football quarterbacks of all time, um trying to keep it, you know trying to stay as much away from the recency bias as we can, but obviously that's going to play a big factor.
00:47:53
Justin Daulton
um But we at least have over 30 years of football knowledge between the two of us that we can talk about in terms of in terms of it all. um I have a few honorable mentions. I think you do as well.
00:48:04
Justin Daulton
So we want to run through the honorable mentions real quick.
00:48:04
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
00:48:06
Justin Daulton
I have three honorable mentions that I'll rattle off real quick. Dylan Gabriel does hit this list for me. Stats-wise, i'll run I'll give you a couple of notes on there in thet into why.
00:48:17
Justin Daulton
Dylan Gabriel has... Over 18,000 passing yards, which makes him second all-time in college football. 1,500 running yards for a total of 14,824 all-purpose yards through his collegiate career.
00:48:33
Justin Daulton
112 passing touchdowns, which makes him third all-time with that. 20 rushing touchdowns for a total of 132 touchdowns total. And the only notable award that he won was the Walter Camp Award. Yeah.
00:48:48
Justin Daulton
He fell off the list, honestly, because just not enough wins. 47-17 in his career, bounced around way too much. now Not enough for me to...
00:48:56
Cody Atkinson
We did this quite differently. not enough wins was Not enough wins was not a criteria.
00:48:59
Justin Daulton
Ah, so good. Can't wait
00:49:04
Justin Daulton
to... So yeah, just not enough there. Not enough meaningful wins. Obviously, put a lot with with UCF and then bounced into playing out out west for a little bit.
00:49:14
Justin Daulton
Bounced around a lot, but not enough for me to say yes.
00:49:15
Cody Atkinson
Was UCF then Oklahoma Oregon, is that right?
00:49:19
Justin Daulton
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:49:20
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
00:49:21
Justin Daulton
So really then't get didn't get meaningful starts until Oklahoma and then and then obviously with Oregon where they made a playoff run. my second honorable mention is colt lacoit someone that just barely missed the list for me.
00:49:33
Justin Daulton
Someone that had one hell of a career, and honestly, if he didn't run into the fact that um there was better names in terms like Sam Bradford going around, that probably would have won a Heisman, um or even Tim Tebow, for that matter.
00:49:45
Justin Daulton
But Cole McCoy, fantastic career in Texas, and if he probably didn't get hurt, probably would have been a completely different national championship game against Alabama where Mark Ingram went off, but it would have much more, I think, interesting college football championship game there um in Pasadena against Alabama um and then my last honorable mention is Jameis Winston um the only Heisman winner um on here that didn't make the list for me um so I mean Jameis two great years plagued by a lot of off the field issues um but ultimately when you start talking about his yardage in comparison to others um only 7,900 passing yards um had a negative 127 rushing yards on his career um 65 touchdowns uh seven on the ground
00:50:24
Cody Atkinson
Mm-hmm.
00:50:29
Justin Daulton
Obviously, the home, like I already mentioned, Heisman and then the Davey O'Brien Award and then the winning of the national championship in 2013. um Jameis just at the time wasn't part of a running system and just didn't do enough in terms of playing the quarterback position for me to the put him in the top 10 of all time.
00:50:48
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, thats that's fair. He was also just on the cut of mine. He's not on my honorable mention. my honorable mention is not necessarily next three up. It is just names that I think deserve recognition that that can't be included on this list.
00:50:59
Cody Atkinson
ah But yeah, Jameis Winston was up there in the discussion. I think the thing for me is the his His Heisman year was incredible. um There was a dip after that. His touchdown to interception rat ratio really fell off in in year two.
00:51:13
Cody Atkinson
And he only played for two years. And then you saw that continue for the rest of his career. So um he he was within a a lump of of quarterbacks for me. And I felt like he was the the um kind of just the the least of those. And so he he he fell out. But I've got honorable mention Graham Harrell.
00:51:31
Cody Atkinson
um I have a soft spot for system quarterbacks.
00:51:32
Justin Daulton
Yes, he
00:51:35
Cody Atkinson
People hate on system quarterbacks, but there is nothing wrong with being the right quarterback in the right system. And Graham Harrell has some of the most impressive stats you have ever seen.
00:51:46
Cody Atkinson
And if you rooted for a team that played against Graham Harrell, you did not like seeing him play.
00:51:51
Justin Daulton
did.
00:51:51
Cody Atkinson
And he played for Tech and he beat the crap out of A&M multiple times. And I was getting real tired of watching it because
00:51:56
Justin Daulton
see did
00:51:59
Cody Atkinson
This guy was insane. So hoable mentioned grantham harrell um honorable honorable mention.
00:52:03
Justin Daulton
Also, the amazing the amazing upset with Michael Crouchery as well at wide receiver against Texas that year.
00:52:09
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
00:52:11
Justin Daulton
Yeah, that was him.
00:52:12
Cody Atkinson
I'm going honest. Did not remember that was him. I do not know my years well enough.
00:52:14
Justin Daulton
Yeah. that was it yeah
00:52:16
Cody Atkinson
but
00:52:17
Justin Daulton
ah You're good.
00:52:17
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
00:52:17
Justin Daulton
Yeah, that that was that year.
00:52:17
Cody Atkinson
That was the the greatest sideline tap of all time.
00:52:18
Justin Daulton
and I remember watching that game. Yeah. and Amazing game.
00:52:23
Cody Atkinson
Yeah. Incredible. So Graham Harrell deserves a shout. um Also honorable mention to the late Colt Brennan. um If you recall the June Jones, Hawaii offenses, Colt Brennan, the best of, of what Hawaii had to offer back in the day.
00:52:31
Justin Daulton
Mm-hmm.
00:52:40
Cody Atkinson
Incredible player, a little bit of a system quarterback, didn't make it in the NFL has since passed away. ah Shout out to to Colt Brennan for being a kid. You,
00:52:53
Cody Atkinson
time was a construct. You know, it didn't matter what time something was on and just being able to watch a Hawaii game at 9 PM, a 9 PM kickoff and Colt Brennan's dicing up.
00:53:03
Justin Daulton
hmm
00:53:05
Cody Atkinson
Whoever made the mistake of flying out there that weekend that I will never forget Colt Brennan. um This one's going to shock you because it's an honorable mention of a guy that ultimately i will admit to you should be on this list, but he is not because I've told you several times I suck at making lists Um, and I take no responsibility for anything about this list, but honorable mention Baker Mayfield, who does not make my list. And I am almost certain is on yours.
00:53:32
Cody Atkinson
Am I right?
00:53:32
Justin Daulton
so he fell up mine i did have him let he fell off
00:53:34
Cody Atkinson
Okay. i I saw some lists that had him at like number one and i was like, y'all are crazy.
00:53:38
Justin Daulton
Number one, yeah.
00:53:41
Cody Atkinson
um That's not even an option. But i i really battled. i think Baker Mayfield should be on the list. I couldn't find a spot for him. um So he's honorable mention. The other two are names I wish I could put on the list. But, you know, I i can't make this a top 10 best system quarterbacks list. Although I do have some system quarterbacks on this list. so
00:54:03
Justin Daulton
Yeah, I mean, just a brief moment on Baker Mayfield. I mean, the dude, had he was what we wanted out of Johnny Manziel to be in terms of the production, not just in the NFL, but the way that he played in big-time games.
00:54:14
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
00:54:17
Justin Daulton
Like, Johnny found a way to always kind of mess it up in big-time games. Outside of Alabama, Alabama was the only team that he was able to show up every single year, even though he went one-on-one against them. But Baker was that guy, man. He, you know, he planted the flag at Ohio State. You know, he planted.
00:54:32
Justin Daulton
you know The Texas game that he came out into, man, like and he had a you know literally big balls walking around that game and be like, I'm i'm the guy.
00:54:40
Cody Atkinson
yeah
00:54:42
Justin Daulton
But ah not only did he trash talk, but he backed it up. And you know at at a time where – and the coach's name was drawn a blank from me on at Oklahoma, but the the guy that's at USC, Lincoln Riley.
00:54:52
Cody Atkinson
Well, was Lincoln. He was the first Lincoln in Riley.
00:54:54
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
00:54:54
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
00:54:55
Justin Daulton
Yeah, a great run of quarterbacks there. And honestly, like Baker set the tone for what was going to happen at Oklahoma. And probably one of the best quarterbacks of the last 20 years in college football that didn't win the national championship and probably should have won the national championship.
00:55:10
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, I think that's why he fell off for me a little bit is because like he was the first of what turned out to be many. like It was him, it was Kyler, it was the last year of Jalen Hurts, it was Caleb Williams.
00:55:20
Justin Daulton
Mm-hmm.
00:55:20
Cody Atkinson
that There was a little bit of like this is a kind of a Lincoln thing um that that that kind of kept me from from putting him on the list. But I also had to save a spot for ah a person who was not going to come off the list by any means and it's not on not going to be on anybody else's list.
00:55:36
Cody Atkinson
so
00:55:37
Justin Daulton
Yep.
00:55:37
Cody Atkinson
thank We'll tease for you there.
00:55:39
Justin Daulton
All right. I'll give you number 10 and we'll we'll we'll we'll start there. What you got for number 10?
00:55:46
Cody Atkinson
Do you know the, are you, Justin, let want me ask you your question. Who is the all time passing leader in, in a career passing leader in college football history?
00:55:55
Justin Daulton
Case Keenum.
00:55:56
Cody Atkinson
That's right. Number 10 is Case Keenum. Case Keenum. was the great And this is where I say like I suck at lists because there's not a single other list you're going to find in America that has Case Keenum as the top 10 quarterback of all time. but But this man is the all-time passing leader in college football history.
00:56:13
Cody Atkinson
In his three his last three complete seasons, he threw for 5,020, 5,671, and 5-6-7-1 is the fourth tied fourth best passing season, passing yardage-wise of all time. 5-6-31 is fifth. um He threw and touchdowns, interceptions, all the way down to five. he had yards,
00:56:42
Cody Atkinson
forty eight touchdowns and five interceptions I do not care that it was Houston. I do not care that it was a, at the time, i don't even know what conference that was. You know, he's not playing the big 12.
00:56:56
Cody Atkinson
um
00:56:57
Justin Daulton
Oh, what was it?
00:56:57
Cody Atkinson
Case Keenum, Case Keenum,
00:56:59
Justin Daulton
was Conference USA.
00:57:00
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, Case Keenum, in my opinion, is a top 10 quarterback of all time. He is the quarterback that made me learn about what a system quarterback was and and the difference in um quality of conference.
00:57:13
Cody Atkinson
Because for the life of me, I could not figure out how this guy throwing for 5,000 yards a season was not going to be the number one quarterback in the draft. Like, you know, this is what this was.
00:57:21
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
00:57:23
Cody Atkinson
I guess as 2011, like I'm graduating like like high school during his run and I'm trying to figure out why the NFL doesn't like this guy.
00:57:29
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
00:57:31
Cody Atkinson
And my dad's got to teach me about conference strength and um and all this as why. and And quite frankly, I feel like I was right because Case Keenan had a career that the NFL didn't believe he could have and he was that good.
00:57:43
Cody Atkinson
um I don't have the game in front of me, but i I remember peacocking because he finished his season with a bowl game against Penn State and threw for 500 yards.
00:57:54
Cody Atkinson
um And I was like, I told you he could do it against any team in the country. um Case Keenum is my number 10. There was 0% chance Case Keenum was getting left off this list.
00:58:05
Justin Daulton
No, I love the Case Keenum pick. He's a guy that at a time when conference realignment was starting to become a conversation about moving teams around, whether it's Big East going to the to to play in the ACC or you know the Big 12 absorbing some Conference USA or SEC, whatever it was going to be. Houston was really that first team before the UCFs came involved and all that.
00:58:28
Justin Daulton
That really was like, hey, Houston needs to be part of a big conference.
00:58:30
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
00:58:32
Justin Daulton
And whatever it needs, whatever, however that needs to happen, it needs happen. And that happened because of Case Keenum. But I love the Case Keenum pick for sure. um My number 10 is going to be a one that's controversial because it's low, I think, on most people's list. um Almost missed the cut is Vince Young.
00:58:51
Justin Daulton
um at number 10 for me um Vince Young is a product of Mac Brown fully 100% I'm in a way that Mac Brown didn't know what he added till about halfway through um his season but Vince Young is someone that gets talked about in a way and the same way that you talk about Joe Burrow the same way that you talk about Cam Newton in terms of some of the best seasons of all time um Some stats for you, 30 and two as a starter at Texas, 6,040 yards in the year, 3,127 yards on the ground for a total of 9,167 and a total of 81 touchdowns.
00:59:28
Justin Daulton
And then won the Davey O'Brien and obviously won the 2005 National Championship against a preliminary powerhouse USC in what a lot of people consider the best National Championship game of all time.
00:59:42
Justin Daulton
This is the first year that I really understood the hate between Texas and Texas A&M because we were that final, like, true test for them to for to make a national championship run.
00:59:55
Justin Daulton
Obviously, they still had the Big 12 championship, but I think they played Kansas State or whatever, so it was going to a cakewalk for them. So... seeing what Vince Young did to Texas A&M that year, and then ultimately seeing what he did in the Rose Bowl, seeing him play with the fire, the chip on the shoulder by losing the Heisman Reggie Bush that year.
01:00:13
Justin Daulton
Reggie, I still think de deserves the Heisman that year, but if there's someone that should have won it outside of that is Vince Young. And there's something to be said about what he was able to do for Texas for the next decade after that.
01:00:25
Justin Daulton
obviously a little bit of of fall off for end that decade but really gave taxes really be a powerhouse you I mean I mentioned Colt McCoy already um there's another one in there that I can't remember the name now but you also had the Shipley brothers that played for Texas in that same time period um really gave Mac Jones a lot of a lot of recruiting power a lot of staying power and that all happened because of Vince Young and ultimately on a team that didn't have a lot of other people with him like he was the machine that made it go um so it's tough to not have him on a list he
01:00:58
Justin Daulton
because of the other names i mentioned but there's no way that I couldn't have Vince Young on here and see what he did at Texas.
01:01:05
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense um i do not have Vince Young on my list, but i admit that that is... probably largely an oversight. Like i I didn't find a room for him.
01:01:17
Cody Atkinson
um But I think some of that is, ah is the nature of how the game has changed and the stats have exponentially grown. um But, but yeah, having watched Vince Young, having watched that, that Rose Bowl ah rooting for the life of me for USC, because I didn't want to deal with the Texas people getting their championship Vince Young,
01:01:36
Cody Atkinson
uh an incredible um uh college quarterback um just it's hard to get down to 10 and so yeah glad he got glad' glad he got some recognition in this but i told you before we recorded there's like three names that i would get roasted for leaving them off and vince young is is vince young and baker mayfield are two of the ones that i was referencing
01:01:58
Justin Daulton
For sure. you' up
01:02:01
Cody Atkinson
Number nine, this is gonna be the only quarterback on my list that I did not see play college football myself. I saw him play NFL football um and I am aware um how hard it is to get recognized um at an HBCU in 1994, Steve McNair.
01:02:20
Cody Atkinson
Steve McNair, incredible Titans quarterback. um In 1994, I feel like it was very difficult to come out of nowhere and get noticed. It is so difficult that I had to find his stats on Wikipedia because college the the football reference college site doesn't have Alcorn State on there. I couldn't find it. So I had to pull his stats off of of a Wikipedia. This man in his senior season threw for 5,377 yards and 47 touchdowns. I don't know how many interceptions he threw because that's not on here.
01:02:53
Cody Atkinson
um And not a lot. The completion percent is pretty low. But on top of that, he ran for 904 yards. He revolutionized. Like, there's a lot of quarterbacks that are going to come up on this list that are mobile threats.
01:03:07
Cody Atkinson
And I feel like in a lot of ways, Steve McNair paved the way for that. um Obviously, he's not the only one. You can look at Warren Moon is a name that I thought about on this list. um There's Tommy Frazier out of Nebraska is a name I saw a lot when looking things up.
01:03:17
Justin Daulton
Audrey Ware. Yep.
01:03:22
Cody Atkinson
He's not the only one, but but absolutely for me, he is one of the iconic um and kind of just revolutionizing the way the game can be played and a lot of ways paving the ways for the guys to come after him.
01:03:33
Cody Atkinson
And and he was he did that while putting up electric stats himself. So I've got Steve McNair as the ninth best college quarterback all
01:03:42
Justin Daulton
Yeah, Steven Nair was a name that I would, and you mentioned Tommy Frazier, but names that i I left off this list, but are guys that definitely need the recognition for what they did in the 90s. And ultimately, Tommy Frazier is a reason why Nebraska football is so heralded as ah as a blue blood to this day.
01:03:57
Cody Atkinson
At
01:03:58
Justin Daulton
um My number nine Cam Newton. And the reason that at nine, um and it in Division I football, or will be referred to as Division I football.
01:04:03
Cody Atkinson
nine?
01:04:14
Justin Daulton
um Obviously, he i mean the stats speak for itself. right We can talk about 14-0 that season, 2,908 yards in the air, 1,473 yards in the ground for a total of 50 touchdowns in one season.
01:04:27
Justin Daulton
i mean It's up there as one of the best seasons of all time. um For me, the reason why he does fall this low is because it is that one that one and done. right i did go to Blinn College. so i do no way you know He was still talked about and I was there, what, two, three years after he left Blinn and they still talked about him.
01:04:45
Cody Atkinson
Mm-mm. Nice.
01:04:46
Justin Daulton
I had a professor at Blinn that had his report card on his wall because he had show he had to he had to prove people to people that he was a professor for Cam Newton.
01:04:50
Cody Atkinson
it nice
01:04:55
Justin Daulton
So like a he has ah an aura that follows him. He had a really amazing NFL career. But man, if he would have played yeah a second season of competitive SEC football, ah make ah what amazing numbers he would have put up.
01:05:10
Justin Daulton
And it sucks that we only have to see him one year. The one year is amazing. Like the seeing him catch fire about halfway through that season. The Iron Bowl comeback that he had to pull off to beat Alabama it wasn't the only comeback. They had to come back in multiple games because their defense was atrocious.
01:05:26
Justin Daulton
that He had no other players with him. I think that he had a running back. and That was about it. But it really just a product of the fact that he only had one season. But, man, I would love let to have second season from Camp Newton to really bolster that that reputation, that aura that he had around him when he played at Auburn.
01:05:44
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, for sure. I'll save my thoughts because i will have thoughts on Cam Newton later in this list. But absolutely, if if he was left off the list, I would have been astonished.
01:05:49
Justin Daulton
Yeah, there you go
01:05:54
Cody Atkinson
So ah good to see him still getting left.
01:05:55
Justin Daulton
go. Oh, yeah, there's no way he wasn't gonna make the list. Yeah.
01:05:57
Cody Atkinson
Yeah. All right, moving on to number eight. This is where I'm telling you, we used different criteria here. Like obviously Cam Newton's higher on my list because i i don't really care how long their high was. um But I also mentioned wins and losses was not a metric for me. Like i i tried I really tried to isolate quarterback play and just take wins and losses out, take the team around them,
01:06:23
Cody Atkinson
Number eight best college quarterback of all time is Patrick Mahomes, who I believe had a sub 500 record as a quarterback in college football because people don't, I don't think people appreciate how hard it was to win at Texas Tech before Cody Campbell and NIL came into business.
01:06:27
Justin Daulton
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:38
Cody Atkinson
That Texas Tech was not good. Like Mike Leach did wonders there. Um, Obviously, Patrick Mahomes was in the Kingsbury era, I believe. Cliff Kingsbury, outside of being an OC, doesn't win where he goes. It's not Patrick Mahomes' fault. In his two full seasons, so his first season he played, he only played in seven games. Then he had 13 games to 12 games. threw 4,600 yards and 5,000 yards.
01:07:04
Cody Atkinson
forty six hundred yards and five thousand yards He had a touchdown to interception ratio of 36 to 15. The next year, 41 touchdowns, only 10 interceptions.
01:07:15
Cody Atkinson
um This man, like he was throwing for 421 yards a game. ah This guy was incredible. and and And really, this is what I did to to figure out if it's Patrick Mahomes or if it's Baker Mayfield on this list.
01:07:26
Cody Atkinson
I went and looked at the game they played against each other, the iconic 66 to 59 game that people reference all the time. Baker Mayfield throws for 500-something yards, seven touchdowns, no interceptions.
01:07:37
Cody Atkinson
Patrick Mahomes throws for 700-something yards, seven touchdowns and one interception.
01:07:39
Justin Daulton
Yeah,
01:07:42
Cody Atkinson
or bill aranome I think he was five five touchdowns and one interception. um I like the team around him. Patrick Mahomes was the leading rusher on that team. He he had 12 rushers for 85 yards. He also threw 88 times for 735 yards. His number one receiver was Kiki QT.
01:07:57
Cody Atkinson
You're familiar with that name. As a guy that Texans drafted that that shined but never really panned out, that was his number one receiver.
01:07:59
Justin Daulton
yes sure am.
01:08:03
Cody Atkinson
He completed it to nine different receivers in that game. He had two receivers over 100 He had one 99 yards. He had won at ninety nine yards he had He had eight receivers, I think, who um caught more than one pass. Like he was dishing it out. And then you go look at the Baker side of things. He ultimately wins the game.
01:08:23
Cody Atkinson
He throws 36 times for 500 something yards, seven touchdowns. Crazy. But he also has Joe Mixon running for over 200 yards. That helps a quarterback out a lot.
01:08:34
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
01:08:34
Cody Atkinson
He has 235 yards, two touchdowns, something crazy. He also had Dede Westbrook as his number one receiver who went for 202 yards. Dede Westbrook did not pan out in the NFL, but if you remember college football, he was unstoppable.
01:08:46
Cody Atkinson
um And he also had Mark Andrews as his tight end on that team. Baker had more pieces. And that's why he had more success than Patrick Mahomes. But like Patrick Mahomes was doing un unfounded things at Texas Tech. The world just wasn't taking notice because he couldn't do enough to win. there was It was impossible for him to do enough to win. um I really think people need to go back and appreciate how good Patrick Mahomes was in college. And I will never forget that because...
01:09:12
Cody Atkinson
When we recruited Kyle Allen, I think it was Kyle Allen at A&M, my cousin um who now works in the sports world, told me we're going regret that because we missed on this kid, Patrick Mahomes, that wanted to come here. And so I was dialed into watching Patrick Mahomes do the things I wish Kyle Allen could do for for two and a half years. and And in my opinion, he's eighth best college quarterback all time.
01:09:35
Justin Daulton
Yeah, not on my list. But, I mean, definitely respect to Patrick Mahomes.
01:09:38
Cody Atkinson
He's not on anybody's. He had a sub-500 record. I get it.
01:09:41
Justin Daulton
Yeah, I mean, but a lot of respect to Patrick Mahomes because, obviously, he proved it in college and, you know, enough to to be, what was it, the second quarterback taken in that draft. And everyone thought they that the Chiefs were insane for taking Patrick Mahomes.
01:09:55
Justin Daulton
Not as much as insane as people thought for the Bears taking Mitch Trubisky before him.
01:09:59
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
01:10:00
Justin Daulton
But they were and they really, yeah, it was Mitch Trubisky to the Bears.
01:10:00
Cody Atkinson
Is he on your list, Mitch Trubisky?
01:10:04
Justin Daulton
It was that same draft.
01:10:05
Cody Atkinson
Is he number eight on your list?
01:10:07
Justin Daulton
no no um but i mean That'd be insane if Mitch Chibuski was on my list. But but yeah, the Chiefs were were labeled as insane because they didn't take Deshaun Watson off the board.
01:10:19
Justin Daulton
And then obviously Deshaun Watson goes, what, five picks later to the Houston Texans?
01:10:23
Cody Atkinson
i think it goes I think it was one pick later, from if I recall.
01:10:25
Justin Daulton
No, it was a little bit. We took him at like 13, like 13 or 14.
01:10:26
Cody Atkinson
Was it? Okay.
01:10:28
Justin Daulton
Yeah, we traded up for him.
01:10:29
Cody Atkinson
I thought I could have sworn my homes went one earlier and that's when we jumped up, but yeah, yeah. It is regardless.
01:10:33
Justin Daulton
No, we did end up jumping up.
01:10:35
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
01:10:35
Justin Daulton
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, still the Chiefs.
01:10:36
Cody Atkinson
Regardless. i am one of the people who was excited. They took my home so we could jump up and get Watson. I, I was in that boat.
01:10:42
Justin Daulton
Yeah. Oh, same. I remember texting you.
01:10:43
Cody Atkinson
I didn't appreciate my homes. Cause I thought he's not a winner. That was my thoughts on my homes and, and, and it's deeper than that.
01:10:48
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
01:10:51
Cody Atkinson
um And, and I have since corrected that.
01:10:53
Justin Daulton
The fundamentals were there.
01:10:55
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
01:10:55
Justin Daulton
Yeah. My number eight is Lamar Jackson. and This is another quarterback for me. I'm in the same way that we talk about that. We talked about case Keenum is a guy that I transcended the the conference that he played in it. What, what would have been with, if Louisville was playing in a, in a better conference, right?
01:11:18
Justin Daulton
They ended up scheduling some ACC games towards the end of his career. and he still wins he still finds a way to go out there and win um career 24 13, so not a great winning perceive percentage, yards in the yards on the ground in his in his career for a total of thirteen thousand one hundred and seventy five total yards insane number 119 total touchdowns over his three years of play at louisville obviously he wins the heisman as well um nothing really meaningful after that they really because of the losses they take and playing in what was the old big east and then you know just playing trying to play a gauntlet to give him meaningful games before when we used to play the the four games that led into conference play
01:12:06
Justin Daulton
Lamar Jackson was easily one of the best quarterbacks playing it in the day and age that he was playing. And i think the way that we talk about, you know, Dylan Gabriel, Jameis Winston, you know, even a little bit of like that Vince Young style play that really that reckless, I'm going run the ball around and see what happens type of play.
01:12:26
Justin Daulton
Lamar found a way to make it more refined. and make it look elegant in a way that I don't think we ever saw. And we still are waiting to see a quarterback play that same way. You see the people, you see the Carson Becks that tried to play the same way, this like lanky frame that can go out and run around and do something amazing. The Trevor Lawrence is, but you name it, like that style play.
01:12:46
Justin Daulton
We haven't found anyone that plays in that same way, in the same way that he's built since Lamar left college. And I love the fact that Lamar, listen to the haters being like you can't throw the ball you're not going to be a pure passer and it's really i know this isn't an nfl list but seeing how he's transcended that and found a way to make himself into a pure passer um and the in the nfl that all stems from the way that he played in louisville um and a guy that didn't have a lot of talent around him and that's ultimately the reason why he's not higher on this list because he couldn't win meaningful games and get and you know and
01:13:19
Justin Daulton
and and perform that way but he's someone that you can't ignore um in terms of the the the legacy of college football over the years uh because people are still chasing the next lamar jackson like you don't hear people looking for the next joe burrow or the next matt leinard or the next johnny mansell they're looking for the next lamar jackson because that style of quarterback play still wins football games now so i would I would love to have him higher. The ultimate thing is the guys above him on this list found ways to win football games and have that clutch gene.
01:13:52
Justin Daulton
And that's something he didn't have until he got into the NFL.
01:13:56
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, I'll, again, largely say my thoughts on this. he is He will be on my list, um so i'll I'll get a lot of the Lamar Jackson thoughts out um when when that comes. But, yeah, he... um He was one of those, you just, you know, it when you see it, he's a, he's a player where I'm like, and this will be the same, a little bit about the guy that will come up next.
01:14:17
Cody Atkinson
So I'll use this as a a transition, but like Lamar Jackson is one of those guys where I didn't need to look at the stats to know he was on this list because he was a, you know, it, when you see it, like, I know how I felt watching Lamar Jackson play.
01:14:25
Justin Daulton
Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:30
Cody Atkinson
um And so if the stats didn't back it up, he would have still been on the list. The stats do back it up. um He is incredible. At number seven, I have a very similar thought on this guy, but a very different style of play. Number seven, I'm putting Andrew Luck.
01:14:44
Cody Atkinson
um He, I think, is the most quarterback quarterback I've ever watched play. like He is the most prototypical quarterback. Slinger of the football distributor of the rock um gun, like however you want to say it. He was electric. He doesn't have the numbers that will compete with some of the other guys on this list. Like he's his passing yards are 2,500, 3,300, 3,500.
01:15:11
Cody Atkinson
they're not they don't They don't jump out like some of these guys throw him for 5,000 yards. But he did it at Stanford, and he did he just looked like the best quarterback every time he stepped on the field. You watched him play, and you said, this guy is one of the best quarterbacks I've ever seen, even if it's not electric. um And you see that a little bit in the touchdown-to-interception ratios. you know Year two, he has 32 touchdowns to only eight interceptions.
01:15:36
Cody Atkinson
ah Year three, 37 touchdowns to only 10 interceptions. His completion percentage both years was above 70%. And I think that shows he was, it looks like he was second in the high been running both years. um I think he goes down as underrated because he wasn't flashy, but I had to include him because I think he just, when you go to sleep at night and you think of the word quarterback, like Andrew Luck is what you're picturing. um and and And he needed some shine.
01:16:06
Justin Daulton
Yeah, not on my list, but I mean, you want to talk about the pinnacle or the peak of Pac-12 After Dark and Andrew Luck and the Oregon Ducks at that time, that 2009 to 2013 range Pac-12.
01:16:20
Justin Daulton
for those two schools like they ran the pax twelve
01:16:24
Cody Atkinson
Mm-hmm.
01:16:24
Justin Daulton
And it it was electric every time they matched up. And it was you know Saturday night football every single time they played. And it was must-watch football when it was Andrew Luck versus the Ducks. Because you had the prototypical pro-style offense that Andrew Luck was running versus...
01:16:40
Justin Daulton
the new age college football spread it out. You know, we're going to run, you know, a four to 40 at every single position. And we're going to, and we're going to watch the scoreboard just go in and insane over this game. And that's what you got. And Andrew Luck was the cog behind that. And when you look at what Stanford's done since then, they've been chasing that glory ever since then they can't get back until relevancy.
01:17:01
Justin Daulton
You know, they they had it with John Elway back in the day and then they get it with Andrew Luck. So they're still chasing that high. man, man if the ramifications of it all is, is astonishing more than anything because of the fall off of Stanford.
01:17:15
Justin Daulton
What would have happened if Stanford would have stayed relevant, you know, maybe Pac-12 doesn't dissolve and all that stuff, but all that happens because of Andrew Luck and sucks that his, his career got cut short by injuries because the Colts couldn't build an offensive, offensive line around them to keep them healthy.
01:17:31
Justin Daulton
But yeah, you hit it on the head, man. Like the dude is a prototypical style quarterback and that's what you want. And a a special guy to watch play football.
01:17:42
Cody Atkinson
Yep.
01:17:44
Justin Daulton
My number seven is ah funny enough is from the same era is Marcus Mariota. Um,
01:17:50
Cody Atkinson
I thought he'd be higher. That's your boy.
01:17:53
Justin Daulton
I love Marcus Mariota. I think you'll see the names above him. You'll understand the reasons why, but Marcus Mariota is someone, mean, the stats, I don't need to read them, but just to remind you how good these numbers are, 36-5 a starter, 10,796 yards in air, 2,237 the total 13,033 yards.
01:18:09
Justin Daulton
ten thousand seven hundred ninety six yards on the in the ha two thousand two hundred thirty seven on the ground for a total of thirteen thousand thirty three total yards and one hundred and thirty four total touchdowns um In his best year, the Heisman and the Davey O'Brien Award, um and that was the year that he lost in the the first ever college football playoff to Ohio State, and it just ran into two different styles type and type of play.
01:18:34
Justin Daulton
I still think to this day that if Oregon would have gotten anyone else in that in that national championship game, that they would have won the national championship. um but That was the first ever plus ones. That was the when he humiliated Jameis in Pasadena with the really bad fumble in
01:18:48
Cody Atkinson
That the Jameis passed it backwards or whatever. Yeah.
01:18:50
Justin Daulton
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But showcase why. Marcus won the Heisman over Jameis that year. And, I mean, obviously those two.
01:18:57
Cody Atkinson
And why Jameis didn't make the list. He was doing things like that in year two. It just wasn't the same.
01:19:02
Justin Daulton
Correct. But, man, the reason why Marcus isn't higher on this list is because he is a product of where he played. And, ultimately, the guys around him, you know, you you look at, like, DeAnthony Thomas. um ah The names of other are against – I can see the running backs. the They had the the thunder and lightning. I think one more eight, one more one.
01:19:22
Justin Daulton
And they were insane. D'Anthony Thomas going by Mamba and just running back every other pun punt and kickoff return. Everything was in his favor to win, and he couldn't win the big games.
01:19:36
Justin Daulton
But he was a human highlight reel. He was the Johnny Menzel before Johnny Menzel happened. Johnny was supposed to go back in the
01:19:43
Cody Atkinson
after he was he was after Johnny.
01:19:45
Justin Daulton
No, he was before Johnny. Because Johnny went to, they were recruited at the same time.
01:19:47
Cody Atkinson
Marcus, maybe?
01:19:49
Justin Daulton
So maybe at the same time.
01:19:51
Cody Atkinson
He's 20.
01:19:51
Justin Daulton
Do have the years?
01:19:52
Cody Atkinson
Mariota's 2012 to 2014. Johnny is 2012. They were at the same time.
01:19:57
Justin Daulton
2012 and 2022. Same time.
01:19:58
Cody Atkinson
They were at the same time, but Marcus went a year longer.
01:19:59
Justin Daulton
Okay.
01:20:01
Cody Atkinson
Yeah,
01:20:01
Justin Daulton
Yeah, they were recruited at the same time. So that was the that was the difference between them.
01:20:04
Cody Atkinson
they would have been. Mariota went to Oregon. Manziel wanted to go to Oregon.
01:20:07
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
01:20:08
Cody Atkinson
They recruited Mariota, so he left and went to A&M.
01:20:10
Justin Daulton
He left. Yes. There we go. Now we have the timeline, right? But he was that style of play, but performed in a, in a such a, at a time, like we talked about with Andrew Luck, right? With, with when the way that the Pac-12 was set up and, you know, some electric games between them and or an Oregon state, you know, the civil war that they call that rivalry up there.
01:20:29
Justin Daulton
I love Marcus Mariota. The dude is one of the best guys off the, field and i think that speaks a lot for you know the type of people that Oregon brings in that they want those type of leader of men type of guys on their teams and that's what you had with Marcus Mariota like he played the game the right way still plays the game right way he's still the backup quarterback in Washington it's behind Jaden Daniels someone that you know has found his home in the style of play that he has and i I wish that he would have won the national championship game because then he would have been regarded as one of the best, like I'm talking top five and or even top three college quarterbacks of all time if he would have won that that national championship game.
01:21:08
Justin Daulton
um But there's not enough that I can say about Marcus Marrota. He put Oregon football on the map and continues to have Oregon on the map because of it. You don't get a Dylan Gabriel or a Justin Herbert if you don't have Marcus Marrota before that.
01:21:24
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, no, for sure. Mark Smariota is my number six. So we'll use that as the the transition there. um you've You've said it all. I think for me, he's at six and not higher, like you said, because he is a product of Oregon in a lot of ways where, um you know, that's what Oregon was producing.
01:21:41
Cody Atkinson
at that time. And, and in reality, he was just the best version of what Oregon was producing in that, that new offense, that electric offense, that new style. um He was still the best version of that.
01:21:53
Cody Atkinson
and that's why he doesn't get left off the list entirely. But, but he was a little bit of like, okay, this is, he he was doing something new that, that the league wasn't really ready for.
01:22:02
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
01:22:05
Cody Atkinson
um And he was kind of the beneficiary of that along with, like you said, a lot of, electric the teammates. For me, I think the biggest thing that that put him on the list for me and made me make sure that I didn't leave him off was career 105 touchdowns to 14 interceptions of all the this style of quarterback, which i in my list we're about to go on a run of this style of quarterback.
01:22:33
Cody Atkinson
um He was the most prolific from a
01:22:33
Justin Daulton
Okay.
01:22:36
Cody Atkinson
passing and taking care of the rock while passing standpoint a lot of these guys big runners big running stats tons of touchdowns but but high on the interceptions as well because that was the nature of the game they played and he found a way to to rein in the interceptions too and so he's at six um i think you could argue him higher um but but that's where he sits for me and i will um As we as we we run to the next one, I will say we we might need to be a little more, ah we we might need to speed up on these for both of us just because ah i think I think it took us half an hour to get through the first four.
01:23:06
Justin Daulton
I
01:23:09
Cody Atkinson
So we might need to speed.
01:23:10
Justin Daulton
think we'll, I think we'll fine because I think we're going run into some duplicates. So I don't think it'll be as, as hefty, but I do have, yeah.
01:23:12
Cody Atkinson
Yeah. Yeah, just fair warning there as we keep going.
01:23:18
Justin Daulton
I do think my number six is a name that probably didn't even pop up on your radar. ah Number six is Kellen Moore from Boise State.
01:23:24
Cody Atkinson
Oh, he was almost on my honorable mention. I took him off the honorable mention for Baker Mayfield.
01:23:28
Justin Daulton
There you go. Kellen Moore, the winningest college football football quarterback of all time, 50-3 as a starter, 14,000 yards on the air, nothing on the ground, but 142 total touchdowns or passing touchdowns, sorry. um i You know this. the The people out there don't know this yet about me, um but I love Boise State. They're my favorite mid-major, G5, whatever you want to call them, team.
01:23:52
Justin Daulton
And I'm not shy about it. I love that team. I love what they've done. And it's, they they always play with that, like ah David versus Goliath style play. um And obviously we have the 2008 Fiesta Bowl that played Boise State on the map.
01:24:06
Justin Daulton
but ke moore kept them on the map they could have very easily fallen off in relevancy after that but kellen moore comes in a couple of years after that after that fiesta bowl and lights up the board you you know you talk about um the the hawaii quarterback in in uh that can't uh cole brennan thank you
01:24:23
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, Cole Brennan.
01:24:25
Justin Daulton
um And the way that he played in the Mac, same type same type of conversation with Kellen Moore. The difference is that Kellen Moore played in a lot more games and and it was a lot more successful.
01:24:36
Justin Daulton
Kellen Moore probably should have won or should have been in at least in the conversation for the Heisman. I didn't look up the years that he was voted in there, but there was definitely a conversation around Kellen Moore and being one of the best college football quarterbacks going on then.
01:24:49
Justin Daulton
And if it wasn't for a name of Colin Kaepernick, he would have been 50 and won. as a college or 52 at Kaepernick.
01:24:55
Cody Atkinson
Well, he lost two to Kaepernick at Nevada. funny.
01:24:58
Justin Daulton
Yeah. And that was the only reason why they weren't in like, like national championship pictures. Cause they were losing, they lost two years on a road to Nevada to Colin Kaepernick. So, but an amazing career and, um,
01:25:12
Justin Daulton
A lot of people look at it as a reason why Boise State is still a destination for those JUCO transfers and even those NIL washout type of guys that you see. And obviously you don't get an action gente years later if it isn't for Kellen Moore.
01:25:26
Justin Daulton
But the dude deserves to be up there, not map Mount Rushmore yet, but definitely someone that deserves to be in this conversation for top 10. And that's why he's number six for me.
01:25:36
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, no I have no qualms with that whatsoever. Kellen Moore was in the discussion for me. Ultimately, i think similar to you probably, I felt like I had one spot for a small school guy. um i I ended up to, if you count Steve McNair, Steve McNair was my spot for ah the guy I didn't see before. I had one spot for a small school guy and i that that was Case Keenum to me. But um if you are of our generation, if you were growing up in college football when when we were, then Boise State, you have a soft spot for them.
01:26:06
Cody Atkinson
um Absolutely. The Fiesta Bowl, I think it was Kellen Moore. And I think before him was before after him, I think was Jared Zabaransky. um
01:26:15
Justin Daulton
That was the Fiesta Bowl winner was Zabrinski.
01:26:16
Cody Atkinson
that was Yeah, he was a fear okay um yeah you you have a soft spot for Boise State to figure out what we did.
01:26:17
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
01:26:22
Cody Atkinson
And Kellen Moore was the pinnacle of of Boise State. I have no qualms whatsoever with that selection. At number five, we have a repeat here.
01:26:30
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
01:26:32
Cody Atkinson
I have Lamar Jackson at five. um ah You've gone over um a lot of the stats here. Again, i mine is a lot more about what you did, not what was around you, i' not what the team accomplished. I know there is you make good there is that clutch gene, leader winning aspect, but i think you've seen with some of some of these guys that like,
01:26:53
Cody Atkinson
you can have that in you and there's still not be enough pieces around you for you to showcase that. Patrick Mahomes has showcased that at the NFL. Lamar Jackson at the NFL. Some of these guys, it was clearly there. we just didn't see it in college because the nature of, of the haves and the have nots in college is so much greater than the NFL.
01:27:12
Cody Atkinson
um You mentioned it. He peaked at 1600 rushing yards. He had 21 rushing touchdowns, 18 rushing touchdowns, obviously with the Heisman um in, in his two last two seasons, he had 3,500, 3,600 passing yards.
01:27:29
Cody Atkinson
A lot of this for me um isn't even necessarily the stats. It's just you know it when you see it. Like what Lamar – I lost the thing. Lamar played, um you know, 2015, 2016, 2017. So this is – for me, this is right after – know, you had Manziel.
01:27:46
Cody Atkinson
win it. You had Winston win it. You had Mariota win it. And then Lamar was the next generation of it in ah in a lot of sense. Just a couple of years later, he was like the next cycle.
01:27:58
Cody Atkinson
um And watching it, I was like, oh, this guy's more electric than what those guys were doing. Like he took what they did and he took it to the next level. um And I'll just never forget the plays he was making as ah a runner and a passer.
01:28:12
Cody Atkinson
The NFL said he was too raw of a passer. I think they were right the way he came into the league, too raw of a passer. But and in college, I was like, I don't know, guy's slinging it. um and and And that's just me loving football too much to be critical about it sometimes.
01:28:28
Cody Atkinson
um I just knew what I saw, and what I saw was ah one of the best quarterbacks of all time. I think talent-wise, he maybe – or athleticism-wise, I should say, he probably beats everybody on this list, and that elevates him to number five.
01:28:41
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
01:28:43
Justin Daulton
Yeah, I agree. My number five is a duplicate from your list. um I have Case Keenum at number five for me.
01:28:51
Cody Atkinson
Give him over the five?
01:28:53
Justin Daulton
the way to five.
01:28:54
Cody Atkinson
i didn't have the guts to do it, man.
01:28:54
Justin Daulton
And i think it's just... Oh, I mean, it's the stats. You you hit on it.
01:28:58
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
01:28:58
Justin Daulton
i mean, I'll just give you the i'll give you the total. Like, you hit a 19,000 total passing yards, 20,000 total between them and the ground, 155 touchdowns of the air, touchdowns on the ground for a total one hundred and seventy eight total yards um the The guy, and I won't harvard labor too much on it, right?
01:29:17
Justin Daulton
The guy put Houston back on the map after Andre Weir did what he did in the 90s and allowed Houston to become a relevant program again in college football football and get to get them now into the Big 12.
01:29:20
Cody Atkinson
Mm-hmm.
01:29:29
Justin Daulton
And they're a relevant school in the Big 12, not just in football. You look at what they've done with with basketball, what they did this year in baseball. you know you they're They're a relevant team. And they're a team that deserves to be in conversations.
01:29:40
Justin Daulton
And the, the, the origin point of that is Case Keenum. And he's someone that is going to have my respect for, for forever. Like the way that he played football, the way that he led men and, you know, the way that he, you know, represented Houston. He loves Houston. He, you know, he took pay cuts to stay in Houston to be a Texan.
01:29:59
Justin Daulton
Like no reason that he shouldn't be in the top 10. I didn't have him, I didn't have the guts upon him on my mountain brush more of the four faces of college football all for me. But man, like K-Ske and him had a hell of a career and he's a hell of a guy. Like that's a, that's a guy that did it the right way and have a tremendous amount respect for him.
01:30:17
Cody Atkinson
that's That's a shock. I did not think that he would be on your list too. I thought I went so far out on a limb putting him on this list at all um just because of the nature of like, you know, he was a system guy.
01:30:23
Justin Daulton
Yeah. Yeah.
01:30:28
Cody Atkinson
Like i think he was a someone guy. um He was in a smaller conference. Like i really thought I was out on a limb doing that. That's crazy you see. We both have case Keenum. ah If we ever did a list of like guys that you like more than you should, or like guys that you have an unreasonable,
01:30:46
Cody Atkinson
like fandom for that don't deserve that level of fandom. Like Case Keenum is number one on my list for me.
01:30:51
Justin Daulton
Oh, yeah. He's definitely top five for sure.
01:30:53
Cody Atkinson
I will have a Case Keenum signed U of H jersey.
01:30:53
Justin Daulton
Yeah. Yeah.
01:30:56
Cody Atkinson
it's It's been like a thing that I'm like definitely gonna get in frame at some point in my life. I've always wanted one. So shout out to Case Keenum.
01:31:02
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
01:31:05
Cody Atkinson
Number four, this is the Mount Rushmore. um
01:31:08
Justin Daulton
Yep.
01:31:09
Cody Atkinson
I think you might be a little surprised here. This might be early for our boy. i did put Johnny number four, Johnny Manziel. Texas A&M. I don't know why he stops at four. For me, it was hard to put him above the guys that are coming because largely the intangibles aspect of like he Johnny was just having fun and he didn't he didn't have that finisher in him. like He didn't have that that winner. And then obviously like after college, he was...
01:31:39
Cody Atkinson
I don't know. He he was missing that like football guy aspect to him. But but if if there was a list of, and this is how I've always differentiated of it, if it's best college quarterbacks of all time, I have Johnny Ford. If it's the most electric or the most can't-miss college football quarterbacks of all the time, Johnny Mandel is number one because he the way he played the game, the things that he did – It's something that that had never been seen before, something that that no one at A&M knew was coming that the the year it showed up.
01:32:11
Cody Atkinson
It was out of nowhere. He is the the most electric college football quarterback of all time. I will stop from going too crazy here, but you obviously have the Alabama fumbles it to himself, throws it to Ryan Swoop for a touchdown.
01:32:22
Justin Daulton
Yep. Yep.
01:32:23
Cody Atkinson
You have Alabama Malcolm Kennedy over the shoulder, of the perfect pass, the most perfect pass I've ever seen to keep that game out of reach. Um, you had, uh, Chick-fil-A label come back against Duke.
01:32:37
Cody Atkinson
think we were down an ungodly amount. I was at the game. We were down like a crazy amount. At halftime, I was having no fun at all. I was sitting next to a Florida guy. They had just hired the Duke coach to be their OC or something. He's telling me how good Florida is going to be next year watching that. like just Just bragging about Duke.
01:32:56
Cody Atkinson
I was like, come on, man. Leave me alone. ah That was one of the greatest comebacks of all time. The list could be a mile long, the plays he made.
01:33:08
Cody Atkinson
Year two, unfortunately, the defense wasn't there. um If the playoff was bigger in year one as it is now, we could have seen Johnny Manziel make a ah championship run, I have no doubt in my mind.
01:33:14
Justin Daulton
Yeah. Yeah.
01:33:22
Cody Atkinson
Year two, if there's any defense on the field whatsoever, we could have seen Johnny Manziel make a championship run, no doubt in my mind. He was held back by those things. Those are not criteria to me, so he was not knocked for those. But yeah.
01:33:35
Cody Atkinson
getting the most electric quarterback of all time he was missing a little something that i think the next three guys have um but but that puts him at number four for me you could i i would hear an argument for number one
01:33:47
Justin Daulton
Yeah. My number four is also Johnny Menzel. um
01:33:52
Cody Atkinson
okay i was curious
01:33:53
Justin Daulton
i'm i'm with I'm with you. There's an argument to be number one, in and I tried to take my A&M bias out of it to to have a reasonable conversation of what the top four should look like.
01:34:04
Justin Daulton
And going echo so much of what you said. like There's so many moments in Johnny's career at A&M that it's It's ingrained in my brain and I'll never forget it. And I remember it being on the third deck of Kyle Field and watching Johnny play.
01:34:17
Justin Daulton
And I try to tell people that it TV didn't do Johnny Manziel justice. Like watching him play in person is a special moment, you know, and and to look forward to a topic that we're going to do later in the summer, like moments that shaped our fandom.
01:34:30
Justin Daulton
Like Johnny is that guy for me and like seeing what he would but a he would what he was able to do with Texas A&M, the way that he played. There's been no one that's been that I've ever watched since Johnny that can match what Johnny's done.
01:34:44
Justin Daulton
Even Lamar Jackson, who i think who has more talent than Johnny, still didn't play the same way, the same reckless abandon, the same way that he was just like...
01:34:47
Cody Atkinson
Mm-hmm.
01:34:52
Justin Daulton
Mike Evans is down there somewhere. I'm just to throw ball I'm going it works. Like no one plays the same way that Johnny Manziel did at A&M. The first freshman to ever win the Heisman has happened since, but like Johnny was the first one that did it.
01:35:06
Justin Daulton
um The guy's special. Someone that I'm to tell my kids about and in the in the future, how special was ah to to watch Johnny Manziel and to be in College Station when he did it.
01:35:17
Justin Daulton
You know, it it was special, man. and it's it's hard to not have him higher on this list. The unfortunate part is the the three guys I have above him on this list are guys that found a way to win when it when it mattered the most.
01:35:29
Justin Daulton
And Johnny could not beat Coach Ogeron at LSU. um I think the biggest what if that I think you and I have is what if A&M beats Florida in 2012, even with the loss to LSU. Like, what if we beat Florida and we go...
01:35:44
Justin Daulton
11 and one um or it was 10 and one because we had the one game that never got the that didn't get rescheduled so that aan would have if they would have gone 10 and one instead of what was it 10 and two or whatever nine and two whatever the final score was that year um but Johnny was special man and Yeah, I love that guy to death. And I still fully support him as ah as a human outside of this. I i subscribe to his podcast. I'm the i'm easily one of the biggest Johnny Menzel fans out there because I think the guy deserves so much love and so much respect for what he's been able to do since football and admitting how rough his life was after football and how he's able to pick himself back up and become a successful businessman ever since then. And the way that he talks about football and breeze lights into future quarterbacks to make sure they don't make the same mistakes he did.
01:36:33
Justin Daulton
I got nothing but love for that guy.
01:36:35
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, yeah. It's hard to to to to hate on Johnny as a the guy who was at A&M when Johnny was doing his thing. So, um yeah, but the the biggest shame really is that it took him so long to figure things out because the NFL never got to see what we got to see.
01:36:52
Cody Atkinson
um His play style may not have ah been what the NFL was looking for anyways. Like, it might not have translated, but we never really got the chance to see if it would because he just – He didn't have the the work ethic for it, but just what he did in college while putting in, honestly, as little effort as he did was insane.
01:37:15
Cody Atkinson
So, um yeah.
01:37:16
Justin Daulton
Waking up hungover to go upset Alabama is still the craziest story that I've ever heard in my life.
01:37:20
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, it's it was it was it was just crazy. Like he just, that was all natural talent and it was just insane. It's a shame we didn't get a better version of him, but the version that we got was again, the Mount Rushmore of college football quarterbacks all time.
01:37:35
Cody Atkinson
So um number three is a guy I think is less talented than, than Manziel, but a guy who, so I say wins and losses doesn't matter, but intangibles and being the cog in a win and loss, like sometimes can it's Tim Tebow for me.
01:37:36
Justin Daulton
Absolutely.
01:37:52
Cody Atkinson
Like,
01:37:52
Justin Daulton
Mm-hmm.
01:37:53
Cody Atkinson
I don't think he had like, when you look at, cause I think it's similar style, right? It's like the very mobile running for a thousand yards, but also passing like is similar stylistically to me from like Manziel to Tebow, but like Manziel could do so many things that Tebow couldn't, but Tebow was a leader.
01:38:12
Cody Atkinson
He was a winner. He had the the way of rallying the fan base. He had the grit, the bloody Jersey. I'm not giving up. You're not stopping me. Um, he had all of that just the that that i think puts him one notch above manzel um and to me i think this is again i've it's a stat that i kind of come back to a decent bit but um his touchdown to interception ratio like he's uh in his complete seasons obviously he had the dabbles in his uh his freshman season where he's doing jump passes and stuff but he's 32 touchdowns, 6 interceptions, 30 touchdowns, 4 interceptions, 21 touchdowns, 5 interceptions.
01:38:44
Justin Daulton
his freshman year.
01:38:53
Cody Atkinson
He was the guy that understood the value of the ball um and making sure you hung on to that. And I think that had a lot to do with the success of Florida because he was he didn't put up the yardage that Johnny did.
01:39:05
Cody Atkinson
like He's got sub-3,000 yards in his last two seasons, and he he didn't rush for 1,000. He rushed for 800 and 700 and 900. Johnny's blowing that out of the water, but he's also – taking too many risks with the ball and that's why he can't beat LSU you know um and you just didn't see that with with Tim Tebow he took care of the ball he played the quarterback position in an a very uh progressive and kind of awestruck way and he just he had an it to him that like you you
01:39:21
Justin Daulton
next.
01:39:38
Cody Atkinson
People loved him or hated him, but like you couldn't you knew that you were watching like the best quarterback in in college football when you were watching him. You're like, i maybe maybe you hated that guy because he was too much of a farm-raised goody-two-shoes, but like you you dang near knew the quality of football player you were watching when you watched him.
01:39:57
Cody Atkinson
He's got that the one of the best quotes of all time, but that you'll never see a team practice this hard.
01:39:58
Justin Daulton
Yeah, no, I look
01:40:01
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
01:40:03
Justin Daulton
love... You'll never see this team... Yeah, they the most well they lost a one regular season game, and he's like, I'm never to lose another football game again.
01:40:08
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, they lost one regular season game. Yeah, and he's like, well, you will never see that happen again.
01:40:11
Justin Daulton
Yeah. Yeah,
01:40:13
Cody Atkinson
And you're just like, yeah, dude, I believe you.
01:40:15
Justin Daulton
correct. Yeah, insane. I love the Tebow pick. I'll get to Tebow later.
01:40:20
Cody Atkinson
I figured.
01:40:21
Justin Daulton
Spoilers.
01:40:21
Cody Atkinson
i think we I think I know who your three are.
01:40:22
Justin Daulton
Okay,
01:40:23
Cody Atkinson
i think I figured it out.
01:40:26
Justin Daulton
I'll be interested to see.
01:40:27
Cody Atkinson
and Not the order, but I think I know the three.
01:40:27
Justin Daulton
Mine... You definitely don't have the order because I think my number three, you think I have number one. My number three is Joe Burrow.
01:40:33
Cody Atkinson
I would have thought you had a missed number one, yeah.
01:40:35
Justin Daulton
Yeah. um Joe Burrow has the best season all time college football ball history, period. the And that is the conversation. um The reason why he's not number one is because he does have two seasons before that where he played god awful football.
01:40:52
Justin Daulton
um he was a washout State, and then his first full season at LSU was injury riddled and didn't play well at all. um And then you flash into that season. i mean, I say he plays awful football, but he went 25-3 as a college football quarterback, which is – Something to be said in that day and age, right?
01:41:11
Justin Daulton
um But the way that it all shakes out, 8,852 yards, 368 yards on the ground, 78 passing touchdowns is insane for basically a season and a half of total football. By time he washes out of Ohio State and then plays, and I believe it was eight games in his first season at LSU before he got hurt.
01:41:32
Justin Daulton
I basically puts up that amount of touchdowns in his senior season, um, in his same run. Um, obviously that he has the product of Jamar chase, um, on that team. And obviously that connection is there still in the pros.
01:41:47
Justin Daulton
Um, but man, if he was, if he could have found a way to make it work earlier in his career, there's no way that you don't have Joe Burrow. Number one, like he,
01:41:59
Justin Daulton
you know We've talked about it so far with so many of these guys. He has that clutch gene. They talked about in the NFL that he basically has ice in his veins when it comes down to like the the the clutch moments. that The way that his heart reacts is basically on the same level as a serial killer in those in those type of moments.
01:42:15
Justin Daulton
And that's insane. What an insane comparison. And it sucks that Cincinnati just can't build a team around them to go and win a Super Bowl because they should have probably already won a Super Bowl by now. But Joe Burrow in college was special, and that's something that you can put on that 2020, what, 2021 highlight reel.
01:42:33
Justin Daulton
I'm sure that LSU has a video package of it somewhere of every single one of those games, the same way that A&M has the 2012 season, right? and just put that on and that's a movie, like just to watch what that team did.
01:42:44
Justin Daulton
They never trailed in a single game that entire season. Um, and that's an insane stat all into itself. And that's because of Joe Burrow and the way that he handled that football. I'm sure you have the touchdown interception ratio, cause I'm sure he's in your top three as well.
01:42:56
Justin Daulton
Um, and you're going to mention it for me as well. Um, But yeah, Joe Burrow a special man, and I hope he has an NFL career to to showcase it outside of it. But he falls a little short because of just not playing long enough or having enough in the tank for what i can what I would have to say for the top two guys.
01:43:14
Cody Atkinson
yeah yeah i'll i'll get to my my slight combat on that when we get to burrow uh who is not up next so that that gets away where where he's gonna be um i won't get to that i think that's perfectly reasonable um i i do think ah maybe a little too much shade towards his first three years but we'll kind of get into that a little bit um when i when I get to number one, but yeah, fully understandable.
01:43:41
Cody Atkinson
A top three, these guys are all, you know, you're you're splitting hairs. the The order is so close together.
01:43:47
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
01:43:48
Cody Atkinson
Like, and and my my thoughts might change tomorrow. They're all that close together. But for me, number two is is Cam Newton. um You're going to see the thread of my number two my number one is, you know, they're one hit wonders, but the one hit you got was I think the two greatest quarterback seasons, you know, we've ever seen really just in not only the way they played the position, um but what they accomplished both going, you know, on undefeated championship runs.
01:44:21
Cody Atkinson
I can do doing it with a coach who got fired a few years later. Like actually both of them doing it with coaches that got fired a few years later.
01:44:29
Justin Daulton
Yeah, both of them doing it.
01:44:30
Cody Atkinson
Like, like where you,
01:44:31
Justin Daulton
Those are on the next year.
01:44:32
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, where you look at – I think it was Gene Chizik for Cam Newton. You look at it and that's that the coach's only like moment.
01:44:35
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
01:44:38
Cody Atkinson
And it's not that he was good. It's that he recruited a generational talent that that did the things he did and then the coach could never – recapture that because he didn't actually do anything to put this together he just gave the ball to a guy that couldn't be stopped and we've gone over his stats i mean 1400 yards 20 touchdowns rushing uh passing was only 2800 but he also had 30 touchdowns seven interceptions this is one of those where the stats didn't matter to me either i watched that season and i know what i saw um and i know that's the only year he did it but
01:45:15
Cody Atkinson
in the in ah and like the college football game to me is so um i don't know if the word this it's so fast like these guys are here for a few years and they're gone i'm not gonna hold it against you that you only got one because you the one you got like like he could have had a second if he did but he was a number one pick you know what mean like like so i'm not gonna i'm not gonna yeah i'm not gonna hold it against him and Truthfully, the only thing that stopped him from being great for multiple years is that he had to learn how to grow up at Florida and he got kicked out of school for stealing computers and such.
01:45:35
Justin Daulton
Yeah, for sure. I don't fault him for leaving.
01:45:50
Cody Atkinson
um But yeah, I just, ah again, Cam Newton, similar to like what I've had for Lamar. It's just, you know, when you see it and what I saw was a guy deliver at the time, the best quarterback season I had ever seen from an individual and a team perspective jumbled into one and that was only surpassed by the guy who will come up next.
01:46:11
Justin Daulton
I like it, man i there's Cam Newton deserves to be there for sure. Number two for me is Matt Leiner.
01:46:18
Cody Atkinson
I knew it.
01:46:18
Justin Daulton
um Yeah.
01:46:21
Cody Atkinson
The moment you said wins and losses mattered, I was like, he's got Matt Leiner somewhere in the top three.
01:46:21
Justin Daulton
You want to talk about
01:46:26
Justin Daulton
I mean, the 37 and two, i and the, and one of those losses is in a national championship game. So one regular season loss in your entire collegiate career, 10,693 yards in the air, 99 total touchdowns, three on the ground.
01:46:41
Justin Daulton
So 102 total, sorry. One, just about every award that you can humanly name possible. um And it was a part of the historic run um that to this day, USC is still chasing.
01:46:55
Justin Daulton
Um, i'm I'm happy that the that the Heisman Trust finally gave Reggie his his Heisman trophy back. But when you talk about what Matt Weiner did, right winning the Heisman and then the second year, coming in third, his second year in a row in the Heisman voting, and losing out to two people that deserve to be in the conversation with Reggie and Vince, but to still showcase what they were able to do at USC, that all that all starts with Matt Weiner.
01:47:21
Justin Daulton
And the dude had every bit of ah potential in him, every bit of prospect in him, everything that you can talk about in ah and and and a quarterback. He reimagined college football at that point in time.
01:47:34
Justin Daulton
Like he was the guy that started the conversation around, hey, we need to be athletes. Now, he didn't have the running yards or that of that mentality or that to show it off, but he had that that moment of, I'm going to move just enough to wait for my guy to go get open, and I'm like, get it to him.
01:47:50
Justin Daulton
And that was that first time that we really saw quarterbacks start to move and really get into that type of system. And he became the guy in l LA. When you look at what the USC Trojans were at that point in time, there was no professional football in l LA.
01:48:06
Justin Daulton
They were the celebrities and he handled it with such a, with such a grease into such a, and with such a presence that would have eaten alive any other quarterback at that time because you would have been pulled into every sort of distraction known to man and I'm sure he was tempted I'm sure it happened so at some points in time but he still showed up every single Saturday and played some of the best football that I think I've ever watched in my life and he's one defensive stop away from probably being the best quarterback of all time in that 2005 Rose Bowl game
01:48:40
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, no, that's fair. I guess you'll notice that he's not on my list at all. um And I told you there were three names I would get roasted for, and it was him, Vince Young, and Baker Mayfield. And and for me, it it came down to to stripping wins and losses from the conversation um and and kind of looking like he, in my mind, it's like,
01:49:00
Cody Atkinson
One thing is like, i you try to you try to strip the NFL aspect away from this conversation.
01:49:06
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
01:49:08
Cody Atkinson
For me, it's a little harder to do that with a guy that was so prototypically designed for the NFL. To see him not succeed at the NFL really makes me question how much of his college career was him versus the pieces around him and the just the culture and the structure and and all these things.
01:49:21
Justin Daulton
yeah
01:49:26
Cody Atkinson
um So I will, that that's like kind of like a blind spot for me a little bit is like, I don't have as much or I guess even enough or or much at all respect for the USC quarterback run, the Matt Barkley, the Matt liner, the Carson Palmer, um even going to was like John David Booty and Mark Sanchez and like,
01:49:47
Cody Atkinson
Those guys, I don't have a ton of respect for it because I saw a bunch of guys that should have been NFL quarterbacks not become NFL quarterbacks. um And to me, that just it struck me as odd.
01:49:58
Cody Atkinson
um and And Matt Leiner doesn't make this list a little bit as a casualty to that, which I know is unfair because it's a college football list. But um he is on most lists um and I fully respect him being there.
01:50:10
Cody Atkinson
um it's just a just a slightly different way of looking at it for my list and and that that that knocks him off but and obviously from a accomplishment perspective uh i think maybe that maybe the most decorated college quarterback of all time um and and certainly one of if not the most successful uh in general so yeah i i had a i had a feeling he was towards the top of yours
01:50:27
Justin Daulton
Yeah.
01:50:36
Justin Daulton
Yeah. right. Tell me about Joe Burrow.
01:50:37
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, let's bring this home. Burrow, number one. um Obviously, this is the same... Venus Cam Newton, if you only did it for one year, that doesn't bother me as long as the one year was at such an elite level.
01:50:50
Cody Atkinson
ah Joe Burrow's one year was 5,671 passing yards. You'll recognize that as the exact match for Case Keenum's best year and which is tied for the fourth most passing yards in of the fourth most season passing yards ah for college quarterback. That was done in the SEC, which I think matters.
01:51:12
Cody Atkinson
60 touchdowns. 60 passing touchdowns that season to six interceptions is comical. That is an insane number. um We all watched that team. we all watched we The team was never going to lose a game.
01:51:25
Cody Atkinson
There was no doubt in anyone's mind. Every game they played, they weren't going to lose it. quite possibly the best team I've ever watched. Like I know you could, there's like, you know, 2001 Miami, I think is up there.
01:51:33
Justin Daulton
2004 USD.
01:51:38
Cody Atkinson
um Obviously the Auburn team we just talked about, but like, that was a lot, that was a lot of like Cam Newton dragging them on yet to the 40.
01:51:42
Justin Daulton
two thousand and four usd
01:51:46
Cody Atkinson
There's many others you could, but but, but you can't have that conversation without having a 2019 LSU towards the top of that conversation. um It was Unreal 76% completion.
01:52:00
Cody Atkinson
like the The stats are comical. I know the talent that he had at wide receiver. I know the talent he had at running back. um To me, when you do something that is this astonishingly ridiculous, you were a part of that talent.
01:52:15
Cody Atkinson
he was an ah he was He was a ah day three pick in the NFL draft going into that season, and he had such an elite season. The NFL took him number one overall. You don't see that. um I know there's the – The Ohio State part, it's not his fault Ohio State couldn't see or develop the talent. I'm not holding that against him. You know, year one in LSU, I hear your your thought process on it. I still think year one was a very solid season. I watched that season and thought to myself, this guy's going to be problem.
01:52:44
Cody Atkinson
Like I texted my brother going into the season. i was like, watch out for this Joe Burrow cat. Like he's he's the guy that the NFL is going to be looking at. And it's one of my claims to fame is calling it before. like calling that he was going to be the dude. Not I think it was to ah might have been that was the two draft, right?
01:53:02
Cody Atkinson
like Tua and Herbert, I think-ish.
01:53:02
Justin Daulton
Yes. Yep. Yep.
01:53:06
Cody Atkinson
My brother was to asking me who's who's the guy to look out for, and I was like, it's it's actually Burrow. They're not talking about him yet, but they will be. He's still at 2,900 yards passing almost in that year before.
01:53:17
Cody Atkinson
The completion percentage isn't there, but still 16 touchdowns to five interceptions. like I do think there was – I think there was like the foundation for what was to come. I would –
01:53:31
Cody Atkinson
debate that 2018 was not a bad year. It is when you compare it to 2019, but it is very much a, um I think it's a very good first year for a guy that, that went on to do things we'd never seen before. So I think you got one and a half from Joe Burrow.
01:53:48
Cody Atkinson
um And the one you got is the the greatest quarterbacking season of all time, in my opinion.
01:53:54
Justin Daulton
Yeah, if you would have given me 2018 as well, man, i there's no doubt in my mind that he's number one for me.
01:53:59
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
01:53:59
Justin Daulton
um My number one, someone we already talked about, it's Tim Tebow. You want to talk about someone that like captured the moment in that era of football, it's Tim Tebow. The way that he played football, we we talked about like the hard-nosed way that he played, the way that he played.
01:54:16
Justin Daulton
like went in and like just owned football games. He ran guys over, you're talking, when he was running over 300 pound linebackers and just going in there and be like, i'm i'm going to take your money and i don't care what you have to say about it and he just torched teams man like it was it was something to be seen and watching him win two national championships had a potential to go win a third national championship um and just coming up one game short of it you know one game against to alabama away from winning three national championships in a row is something that don't think we'll ever see again in this day and age of nil and um and like the way that it's all kind of set up
01:54:31
Cody Atkinson
Yeah. yep
01:55:00
Justin Daulton
going to see it um like it's just an insane like run that he went on dude it's crazy um the stats speak for and you've already listed out so many stats but 48 and 7 career winning um 9200 yards passing 24 basically or 29 basically 3 000 yards on the were on the ground 145 total touchdowns um which puts him second only behind uh what's the name kellen moore so um of power ah of power conferences, he has the most all time.
01:55:29
Cody Atkinson
There you go.
01:55:34
Justin Daulton
hey it and what It transcended college football at the time, dude. like the way that he The way that he captured mass media, like Tebow Inc.,
01:55:46
Justin Daulton
and that wasn't even just a college staying like everyone was doing it you watched esp and you watched cbs you watch any news team or news media he was on it and there's very few players that transcends like the college landscape and johnny's one of those few that did it as well but tebow and the success that he's had you know he still had a i would say a pretty decent nfl career had a great time in denver um if it wasn't for peyton manny i think denver would try to stick it out with him um and i think that there's a chance that he has a decent nfl career
01:56:21
Justin Daulton
but i think he's still someone that you can look at as a spokesperson for the game and how to do the game the right way. Even outside the religion aspect of it, you look at the way that he is an inspiration.
01:56:32
Justin Daulton
The same way that people look at like Ray Lewis and how he's an inspirational speaker to so guys coming up. like Tebow is an inspiration to to to people. And for me is the pinnacle of what you need to do when you go into college football, especially in a day and age where there's no loyalty to the brand and yeah you're just going to move every year.
01:56:49
Justin Daulton
Tebow is someone to look at and be like, I'm going to go out there. I'm gonna die for my guys. And that's what going to do. And he did that. Like you saw him play 60 minutes every single week. And if he could have played defense,
01:57:01
Justin Daulton
he would have been out there on defense trying to get the ball back so he can go go run it down the field there's there's i think we can have a whole podcast to talk about tim tebown what he did for college football and what he continues to do for college football.
01:57:13
Justin Daulton
And he's someone that for me is going to be number one for a very, very long time on this list.
01:57:20
Cody Atkinson
I mean, I think, honestly, truth, i the maybe bold-ish take here, I don't think this list changes for a while. like i don't You don't see this type of of guy. like i think some of it's the transfer portal aspect. Some of it's these guys not sitting and waiting their turn. They don't fully develop.
01:57:36
Cody Atkinson
um All sorts of things. um I really think, for me, I think this list might might remain unchanged for while. for a good bit, unless I'm thinking, unless I'm forgetting like an obvious candidate that's coming up here soon, but like, I don't, I don't see it. And yeah, I, I agree. Tim Tebow at number one, it's not a stats thing. It's a, he transcended the game in a way that none of these other guys could or did. And,
01:58:03
Cody Atkinson
And there was just, it's like hard to quantify. There's just an it factor of like, he was, he was that dude. um And, and even though he didn't put up some of the numbers these guys did, you just knew it when you see it. You're like, that's that if I'm putting a team together and he's standing there, he's going to be on the team ah because that's, that's what I want on the team. So.
01:58:24
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, no no issue there. The Mount Rushmore, very similar. um i think the only real difference is I had Cam Newton up there in there and you had Matt Weiner. And then obviously some shuffling around with your splitting hairs. These guys are so close together. so Honestly, i'll bore more consistency in the list than I than i expected.
01:58:46
Justin Daulton
Yeah, and especially for us not sharing any notes whatsoever for with building it to like, yeah, so yeah, the fact that we ended up with the fact that both of us ended up with case Keenum, that was my, I think you could have predicted me going with a Kellen Moore knowing my voice to say fandom, but I didn't I did not expect both of us having case Keenum on the list.
01:58:48
Cody Atkinson
Yeah, zero notes.
01:59:01
Cody Atkinson
Oh, I thought I was going to get roasted for putting Gase Keenum on there, truthfully. so All right, man.
01:59:06
Justin Daulton
Yeah, no, I love a good list. and You know, before you sign off, we got another list next week that you got to prepare yourself for.
01:59:09
Cody Atkinson
Yeah.
01:59:13
Justin Daulton
and then that's the last list we have for a little bit.
01:59:13
Cody Atkinson
Oh, shoot. Which one do we have next week again? I forget.
01:59:16
Justin Daulton
Next week is top 10 sports movies. So all sports movies. I have a baseball
01:59:19
Cody Atkinson
Oh, sick.
01:59:21
Justin Daulton
i have a top ten baseball list that I can share before we do that, that I think you you've seen before, I sent it to you before.
01:59:26
Cody Atkinson
Yeah. Yeah.
01:59:27
Justin Daulton
But it'll be interesting to see us incorporate other sports into it. yeah we got There's a lot of great golf movies out there.
01:59:31
Cody Atkinson
Yeah,
01:59:34
Justin Daulton
There's a lot of great football movies out there. So it's gonna be very interesting to see where we end up with some of these some of these sports movies.
01:59:41
Cody Atkinson
yep absolutely. So tune in next week to check that out. If you have a top 10 quarterbacks of all time, feel free to drop them in the the comment section wherever you're listening to this. get a little bit of a dialogue going there and feel free to roast stars as well. But just leave a five-star rating while you're at it. Other than that, we'll, ah we'll catch you next week for top 10 sports movies. And obviously we'll recap a strong weekend in college baseball, another week of NHL and hopefully another Astros no hitter. but Why not? Let's run it all back. So we'll see y'all next week.
02:00:12
Cody Atkinson
Peace.
02:00:13
Justin Daulton
Peace.